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Misc Forums => Website Suggestions => Topic started by: DahMurf on September 21, 2008, 09:35:03 AM
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Just what the topic says! Jon is new at this web site running thing. I'm happy to help out but I'm not sure what the masses want or need?
We've been getting the run logs as they become available and I can offer them in many different forms. Here's some examples:
1) Excel spreadsheet attached to a post: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4575.msg62292.html#msg62292
2) Text list attached to a post: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4575.msg62294.html#msg62294
3) Text directly in a post: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4686.msg63319.html#msg63319
4) Record results on the main landracing.com page: http://www.landracing.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=184
5) Links in a post to each events results page: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4686.msg63321.html#msg63321
6) If you have any other examples of what used to be done that you'd like to continue please post a link so we can see an example.
7) Would you like the results in a separate locked topic so all that is present is the results with no other commentary?
Let us know what you want and if you want a combo of any of the above and we'll do what we can!
Debbie
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I like text in a post personally as there is no way for my cpu to screw that up, it is easier to read and I don't have to open another program up to read the results.
Thanks for your work Deb,
Scott
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Cheers to Debbie! :cheers:
Thanks for asking - And thanks for stepping up to the plate on this.
I love having the spreadsheet format that delineates as much info as possible so I can go in and make comparisons.
What I would like to see, and this would apply primarily to the production categories, would be an indication of the make and model of vehicle. Is this possible or practicable with the info your compiling?
Thanks a thousand times. This site was my lifeline last month, and the results were eagerly awaited.
Chris
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Chris,
Unfortunately I only get what they give me. All I've done is cleaned up the data a little. I don't remove anything and so far I haven't found any of the venues including that information. That's something the participants would have to take up with each venue to release with the run logs.
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I like text in a post personally as there is no way for my cpu to screw that up, it is easier to read and I don't have to open another program up to read the results.
Thanks for your work Deb,
Scott
The only problem I see in a post is finding it once everyone responds to it. I did like how you had a link to each class with the records listed. Or you can list numerically so you can find the cars or bikes you want to see.
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Hey, DahMurf,
Good work on trying to follow up on the run logs thing. The thing I think we are ALL looking for is what happened at WOS on Friday and Saturday. I see a lot of Speedweek and BUB stuff in those posting, but none with WOS Sept 19 and 20 runs.
Any links to those? And frankly I don't care what format it's in... probably text imbeded in a message with a subject of WOS Sept 19 an 20 Results would be just fine.
Thanks,
Jim
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Just my 2 cents worth.1 the easyest/fastest/most user frendly.
I know you cant have it all so the best compromise
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Nobody's given me the Friday and Saturday WoS logs yet, so that's why I don't have them. I get them through the courtesy of USFRA and Dan Wright, their IT guy (Thanks, Dan). I don't go to the timing stand and grab a flash drive full of data -- I get them with the help of the organization that puts on the events. I'll keep trying...
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GO SSS GO!
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The formats have been great. It's just the case that they do get lost in the clutter. The results are the only reason for living! As well as posting a link in the forum when it happens, the same link has to be on the main page AND on the records page.
Results should live forever instead of evaporating like they do on the SCTA pages. Or BUB. Or USFRA.
Landracing.com may be the only hope of seeing old records in the years to come.
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Results should live forever instead of evaporating like they do on the SCTA pages. Or BUB. Or USFRA.
Landracing.com may be the only hope of seeing old records in the years to come.
And this is why I was asking about makes and models. The teams, drivers and records are listed, and that's critical, but it seems that to discover a make or model of a record setting production based vehicle, one has to hunt down someone who was there. It can be a frustrating search for those of us who have an equal interest in the team, the driver, and the vehicle.
And Debbie, I understand - you're working with what you're given. Database work is a tedious and thankless job - so again, cheers to you for taking it on. :cheers: :cheers:
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Just what the topic says!....
Let us know what you want ...
I'd like each individual run text messaged to my phone as it happens, whether I'm on site or not of course (you know my number). This would allow me to concentrate solely on watching the run...
Thank you for your dedication, willingness and compliance of course!
See ya soon darlin - fluff my couch pillow. :wink:
Todd
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About the only way to list vehicle make/engine specs/driver (or rider) is to have someone standing at the line and asking the questions. Whenever Nancy or I make a run, for instance, I ask the starter to radio the tower with the information about which of us is at the controls. It still doesn't always get reported right! And then there's the USFRA's radio information sheet, which, when filled out, gives Ron Christensen some good information about all of the questions you've asked for -- and those sheets are not turned in all the time, and sometimes are incorrect (because either the sheet was filled out and mailed with the pre-entry - and things changed; or because things got changed in the pits).
So there's darn near no way to give that information accurately. Not that I don't understand your request, and not that I won't try to come up with a way to gather and present it -- just gotta find a way to get it in the first place.
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My question is why do the motorcycle records in the SCTA rule book give the entry name and the type motorcycle but the rider in most cases are not listed. Seems to me they should get recognition as well.
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bonneville records list--class--owner--make--date--record
el mirage records list class--owner--rider--date--record
if you want your name in the book for bonneville you gotta be the owner---i think------willie buchta
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They did a pole a few years back in which they asked if the bikers would rather see the rider name or the make of vehicle. Make of vehicle won. Don't recall who did it or where, I just remember it being asked & seeing the end result. I guess there's not enough room in the printed rulebook to have team, rider & make all listed.
The ecta database has all of this information for historical purposes but it's also not listed on the run logs. We do have the data of which vehicles have run since 2003.
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admittedly got on this tread late and haven't read other replies . . .(sin of the month?)
I would think the Excel spreadsheet (seems we used to get this from SCTA?) is by far the best. Providing, of course, one is fluent in excel. It allows for sorting/filtering by any column heading.
I definately want to see what the vehicle is/was . . .
thanks to whoever figures this out and ol' sss, too.
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I guess there's not enough room in the printed rulebook to have team, rider & make all listed.
But that's not the case on the web postings. It's a disservice to the rider to not have the name listed. The make and model is important so that the rest of can relate to the run and performance. These guys are heroes that deserve to be recognized in the fullest manner possible. The race organizations need to realize this.
Imagine NASCAR results without the driver name!
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Isn't it surprising how much we demand of people who volunteer to feed us info?
I say take what we get and be THANKFUL !!
We are asking for more info than we would get if we were there.
Oh YA, let's have it when the timing slip is printed.
Why should we have to wait?
FREUD
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Im also just happy to be here and get to read whatever I can on this site. I wouldnt think of telling you how to do it. Thanks for whatever you decide..... :cheers:
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I say take what we get and be THANKFUL !!
I agree.
On the other hand, if there were improvements that could be made, why not?
The information exists in the computer for most entrants before they even enter. After 10, 20 years of running the same class with the same driver can it be so hard? #335 is Jonny Hotnuts, just to name one. His number and information isn't likely to change anytime soon.
This is the computer age, and it just takes a little effort to make sure that what is entered is in a format that is easy to put on a web page.
500 entries? How about 1,200 Boy Scouts for a weekend Camporee with two doing data entry is all it took.
We gave out hundreds of awards on Saturday night two hours after the last event with little effort. A little planning in advance is all it takes. The results were on the web site the next morning. There are so many computer literate people these days that all you have to do is ask for volunteers.
You would be surprised at the geeks out there. Rick Yacoucci looks like a pig farmer from Iowa (Just kidding!) and showed up at El Mirage with laptop in hand working on the network. (Heck, he runs fast. He can take a little kidding.) :roll:
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This is the information age, isn't it? Or was that last decade? The more information we can get the better.
How about if the inspection sticker has a barcode with all the info that is currently on the entry records. Then the starter can zap the barcode with his scanner, all the info is then transmitted wirelessly to the tower and anywhere else that needs it. The announcer cannot make any mistakes then, and all vehicles are accounted for correctly and the data would already be in a database with no transcription errors.
All it would take is a few thousand for equipment and programming. Seems pretty do-able to me.
Don
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Don an Dean:
I just checked and there are flghts from Seattle and LA with seats available.
There are also rental cars in SLC.
Why don't you both just go to Wendover and send the info the way you would like it?
I'm certain that all of us would appreciate your input.
Otherwise I'll just wait like everyone else and be happy for what info I get for the small amount that I pay.
I feel guilty for that small amount that I donated when AMO owned the site. My contributions to
Wennerberg have been even less. Hindsight is bustin' my lips and I deserve it. Maybe the rest
of you did a better job than did I.
Paypal, take my newest donation to Landracing.com, preaze.
Now I won't feel so guilty for lusting for a freebie.
My wife reminded me. I had to pay to watch Ali vs. Liston, and i just had to know those results also.
FREUD
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Freud, of COURSE I am grateful for the information presented on this web site, and will contribute to the new Jon just as I did before.
My suggestion was for the front end data collection, and has nothing to do with now it is presented.
Don
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Freud old buddy, I'm D-A-M-N happy with the way things are.
Still wishin though.
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Don and Dean:
Thanks to each of you for the comeback.
This is a presentation problem that is most difficult.
Our support people are working their tails off just to get the info to us that they can.
Impatience is normal. Gratitude is appreciated.
Danm, I too wish I was there. Palm Springs just doesn't hold a candle to a freeze your "tush off"
race morning. 80F at Bonneville is " off the perfection scale."
FREUD
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Don and Dean:
Thanks to each of you for the comeback.
This is a presentation problem that is most difficult.
Our support people are working their tails off just to get the info to us that they can.
Impatience is normal. Gratitude is appreciated.
Danm, I too wish I was there. Palm Springs just doesn't hold a candle to a freeze your "tush off"
race morning. 80F at Bonneville is " off the perfection scale."
FREUD
Freud,
after seeing 1st hand your hard work in Person :cheers:! I for 1 take back all the things I said{under my Breath} about you :wink:!
Your a True asset we could never replace,but I doubt I'm NOT the only one without EXCEL :oops:!
So what if US slow and poor can't see any results :cry:?
Respectfully,
Kaz...........
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KAZ, I don't have Excel and I get the results on my Mac.
I certainly don't hold AOL as excellent, but try this.
Sign on to AOL.
Open Landracing.com.
Go to Debs new spreadsheet that has the results.
I would hope you could see it as she posted it.
Just a suggestion but it may work for you.
FREUD
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KAZ, I don't have Excel and I get the results on my Mac.
I certainly don't hold AOL as excellent, but try this.
Sign on to AOL.
Open Landracing.com.
Go to Debs new spreadsheet that has the results.
I would hope you could see it as she posted it.
Just a suggestion but it may work for you.
FREUD
Freud,
Dang your Smart but I'm Not as Blessed{my VCR/ BETAMAX still blinks 12:00 :oops:}!
So my computer skills{and Spelling} are Limited at Best:wink:!
I also don't use or have AOL :-(. So any other Great Idea's on beating the system :mrgreen:?
Thanks again,
Kaz...........
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KAZ...anyone can sign on to AOL. You do not have to have an account. Just access AOL.com and it will open.
Keep on plugging and when the next door kid gets home from 4th grade this afternoon, give him a cookie and he will show u what u need.
My neighbor kid wants nitro for his weed whacker. He doesn't even care if it's fresh.
FreuD
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Any of you who need to work with the numbers will see this years results from the SCTA as a God send. Having the columns listed as they are this year with the 1/4 mile first no matter what course you are on made my work the easiest it's ever been. The engraver actually has all the fastest timed runs (blue tags)and record runs (red tags) for the entire meet in less than one months time. Just don't expect to recieve them any earlier :-D. Working with the excel program is very easy even with 2400 runs. As for here anything will do. Good luck.......................JD
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Hey Kaz, here's a suggestion... why don't you Suggest/Vote for the text only version??!!! ummm... yeah, that's why I asked! I don't know what people have access to. I posted a spreadsheet & was asked to dump it into works, which I would have done from a different computer but when I supplied a text version that was sufficient. We also tried the in the post text. All I have is my own opinion so unless y'all tell me how you'd like to see it, you'll just get what I like! :-P
I'm really not so much interested in content. If you want additional fields included then you'll need to work with each venue. I'm happy & appreciative that each venue allows us to have their data to share in one place. If you want them to supply more to us then it would be great if you contacted them directly to let them know. :wink:
Debbie
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Deb, you've hit the head of the nail with your verbal hammer. Ah, it's great to have a minute to type those extra words.
Anyway, if a race organization were to supply all of the requested data to us we could post it. The issue is that they have to get it from the racers, and have to have a place to put it where we can get it. They, I presume, want to shepherd their data for their own purposes -- so don't necessarily shout and wave and ask us to take everything they know and spread it around.
If they'd gather it and make it available we'd have no issue with putting it up here. I do assume, though, that no matter what we put on the site -- it won't be the right thing for someone.
We do what we can do with what we have to do it with (hunh?).
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SSS.........I'll explain it to you with an analogy.
If the food bank offers free sausage, someone will ask for steak.
FREUD
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Hey Kaz, here's a suggestion... why don't you Suggest/Vote for the text only version??!!! ummm... yeah, that's why I asked! I don't know what people have access to. I posted a spreadsheet & was asked to dump it into works, which I would have done from a different computer but when I supplied a text version that was sufficient. We also tried the in the post text. All I have is my own opinion so unless y'all tell me how you'd like to see it, you'll just get what I like! :-P
I'm really not so much interested in content. If you want additional fields included then you'll need to work with each venue. I'm happy & appreciative that each venue allows us to have their data to share in one place. If you want them to supply more to us then it would be great if you contacted them directly to let them know. :wink:
Debbie
Debbie,
if I would have Known about your other Thread I would have said something ,but I've just been able to walk to my computer with out a Limp today :oops:!
I've had a Ruff couple weeks trying to race my bike and then after it's demise{another thread maybe :wink:}Race as Rookie Truck {R}to {A} Driver and Have the Scars to prove it 8-).
You and Your Better half :-D have done a Fantastic Job along with are very own Jon and Nancy W. of www.Landracing.com bringing the Best LSR Reporting anywhere on the Planet :cheers:!
I just can't read it how you have it NO BIGGY.
I'm Sore,Broken Hearted ,and Tired ,don't listen to me,heck what do I KNOW I race a Turbo V-rod :cry:!
Sorry for My distraction :-P.
Kaz........
P.S I hope this PG Pic of the Bike in Playboy Latina Magazine can some how be of Service for my crimes :|
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Another thread would be good cause I can't quite figure out how what all happened with you/the truck? :? Last I heard you were gonna run 4 wheels but that's all I heard.
At any rate, go back to the very first post in this thread. It has links to the different options. Presumably one of them will work for you. If one does let me know and I'll keep it in the must have pile for the basic user.
Hope you're healing.
Debbie
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Another thread would be good cause I can't quite figure out how what all happened with you/the truck? :? Last I heard you were gonna run 4 wheels but that's all I heard.
At any rate, go back to the very first post in this thread. It has links to the different options. Presumably one of them will work for you. If one does let me know and I'll keep it in the must have pile for the basic user.
Hope you're healing.
Debbie
Deb,
No Worries.
Your Plate is full enough.
I'll just look for it as you as you suggested :oops:!
Physically yes. 8-)
Mentally I don't know :?!
This year My Racing totally SUCKED :cry:!!!
I'm a Bad Looser,and a ASSHOLE what else can I say?
Thanks again,
Kaz........
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Kaz,
I agree with you for the first time... :-D