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Title: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on July 09, 2008, 08:23:45 PM
This is the first official post to the new Loring Timing Association forum. I'm Bob Wanner,one of the Co-conspirators in this project to bring LSR to the North East,the Waaaaasy NorthEast to be specific.
Basically, a few of us enthusiasts located and secured a venue similar to The Maxton Mile, only it's about 400 miles north of Boston. It's the former Loring USAFB, Limestone Maine,close by Caribou. We had hoped to run our maiden event this year, but between Wildlife Refuge restrictions limiting us to post July only events, not being comfortable with the cost of a single event being covered by attendance at such a remote spot, and gas at over $4.00 a gallon, we regretfully pulled the plug on this year. We plan on our first event the first weekend of August,2009. We will run a mirror event to the ECTA, who has been graciously at our side answering silly questions for several months on everything involved in running an event.We are forever in debt to the Turks and Timneys and all the volunteers at ECTA for thier help.
Any Questions ?


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 09, 2008, 10:11:02 PM
Good luck on the venture Bob. I'm stuck out here in Utah where there's nothing to do.  :-D How long do you have for a course and shut off? Wayno


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Carl Johansson on July 09, 2008, 11:30:18 PM
Good luck on the venture Bob. I'm stuck out here in Utah where there's nothing to do.  :-D How long do you have for a course and shut off? Wayno
Hey Elmo,
Heres a multi event speed week within easy driving distance for you.
www.pershingcountyspeedweek.com

Hopefully Bob will make it out to our event next year - I need someone to take over SSS's pottie role!

carl Johansson


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: RichFox on July 10, 2008, 06:47:57 AM
There should be a Derby Mile forum too I guess. Boy am I looking foward to running there. Pavement. Sweet.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bonneville Racing News on July 10, 2008, 07:58:47 AM
Bob,
Can I make an announcement in the next Bonneville Racing News for you?  It should kick up some more interest and supporters for you.  I'll add the organization to the list of LSR contacts printed in each issue too.

Who are all the founders?  Experienced LSR guys?  How's the track's surface? Length?  Active airport? Shut down?  Staging area?  Have you made any test runs?  ECTA tech and classes? Camping potential?  Motels nearby?  Target date for first meet?  Contact phone # and email?

Wendy Jeffries, Editor
Bonneville Racing News
salt@pollybutte.net


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Sumner on July 10, 2008, 09:46:54 AM
Bob,
Can I make an announcement in the next Bonneville Racing News for you?  It should kick up some more interest and supporters for you.  I'll add the organization to the list of LSR contacts printed in each issue too.

Who are all the founders?  Experienced LSR guys?  How's the track's surface? Length?  Active airport? Shut down?  Staging area?  Have you made any test runs?  ECTA tech and classes? Camping potential?  Motels nearby?  Target date for first meet?  Contact phone # and email?

Wendy Jeffries, Editor
Bonneville Racing News
salt@pollybutte.net

Hey Wendy welcome to landracing.com  :-).

Those of you who are not familiar with..............

--- Bonneville Racing News--- Bonneville Racing News --- Bonneville Racing News --- Bonneville Racing News ---


should check it out.............

http://www.wendyjeffries.com/BRN.htm

I wasn't aware of the publication for years, but am a regular subscriber now.

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 10, 2008, 09:51:55 AM
I hope I didn't get more than a whole bunch of you confused - by starting up this section for Loring.  That is, I didn't put one up for Pershing County -- so is the same thing, or whatever happened to Lovelock, Nevada, or whatever?

I'll start a new section for the Nevada event as soon as the powers that be there (That you, Carl) ask me to start it (which might be some day soon).  In the meantime -- if you've got questions about the Pershing County event, send 'em to Carl Johansson, who posted about four posts ago here.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on July 10, 2008, 09:59:15 AM
 I was online last October basically mutually whining  with BobbyHotRods, Bob Jepson, about how we'd love to have a LSR venue  more convenient to the NorthEast. I remembered a site, Abandonedairfields.com, someone posted on one of our LSR sites, went there and perused a short list of possibles. Long story short, we have since secured permission to use this large former AF base, complete with a paved strip totaling over 14,000 feet long by 300 feet wide. We'll initially run a mile exactly the way ECTA runs Maxton, and our dream would be to utilize the full runway for two mile runs eventually. The surface for a run south to north starts with 1,000ft slightly deteriorated asphalt, then 1,000ft concrete, then 10,000 ft good asphalt, then another 1,000ft concrete, and another 1,000 of that deteriorating asphalt.
 We now have enough time to educate ourselves in the aspects of running an event, and feel will have enough well known experienced LSR types to safely run a the whole deal.
The airport is inactive, no refueling or tower/landing services. Landings can be made with prior notice to the Loring Development authority, but bring enough fuel for a RT.
Staging, pit areas, camping, water, sanitation, food, etc., are all available and need only be delineated in a meeting to be held very soon. We will be up there for a media/promo and test runs to be video'd to show both for the local community and hopefully a You Tube type tour of the place.
As it is still a very popular Snowmobile area, with over a thousand miles of state maintained trails in winter, lodging is no problem.
As I said in the original post, the first weekend in August is Day one, and two, and?
Some history of the base and a nice independent picture are enclosed
Thanks for your interest, especially BRN and Wendy!
BOB W LTA official mouth
http://www.loring.org/lda_home.asp
http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/7772641.jpg
  


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 10, 2008, 11:28:07 AM

Hey Wendy welcome to landracing.com  :-).


http://www.wendyjeffries.com/BRN.htm


What happened to "Wendy BRN"???  :mrgreen:

Mike


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Cajun Kid on July 10, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
Just did a Map Quest,,, only 1198 mile from my house to Loring AFB... Hmm thats about 21 hours drive time?

August of 2009 ?  Sounds like that could be fun.  Good luck.. Hope to be at your First Event...

Charles


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on July 10, 2008, 03:41:19 PM
Quote
Trip distance: 3276.63 miles Time: 48 hrs 37 mins

(3276+3276) / 25 mpg * $4.50 gas = $1,180


Hmm. . . I might have to stick with El Mirage for the moment.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Cajun Kid on July 10, 2008, 09:04:06 PM
Dean, I am twice as close but my fuel cost would be the same.

2400 miles / 12 mpg x 5.00 for diesel = $1,000 for fuel.

Maybe I can offer to carry a few bikes up for the bike riders in my enclosed hauler and share some fuel costs??? 

There has to be a way to cut/share costs so we can help make the first event in ME  a big one...

Charles


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: LVMAXX on July 12, 2008, 08:33:13 AM
 :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Super Kaz on July 12, 2008, 09:14:45 AM
Quote
Trip distance: 3276.63 miles Time: 48 hrs 37 mins

(3276+3276) / 25 mpg * $4.50 gas = $1,180


Hmm. . . I might have to stick with El Mirage for the moment.

Dean,
I wish my tow vehicle could get 10mpg let alone 20-25mpg ! :cry:
6000 MILES ROUND TRIP divided by 7- 10mpg X $5.00+GALLON = $4000.00+ for diesel alone :-o!!!!!!
Got any extra room for a brokedickdog like myself :oops:!
I really Would Love to go but this F-250 6.0{and a few Ex's} has put me in the Poor House :|
I'm praying for a Financial Miracle,but we keep pickin the wrong Lotto #'s :?
Wish I could go, :oops:
Kaz...........


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: LVMAXX on July 12, 2008, 10:12:57 AM
 :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on July 12, 2008, 02:06:30 PM
Bob,
Do I read this right, you are going to hold a land speed event this August?

Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: LVMAXX on July 12, 2008, 04:09:54 PM
 :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on July 12, 2008, 04:45:21 PM
That makes a lot more sense. Marking my calendar. I will be there with a least 2 bikes to compete.
Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: t russell on July 14, 2008, 07:07:13 PM
This is great.Hope I can make it.
good luck
Terry


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 16, 2008, 09:26:53 PM
So glad to hear about this - I can't think of anything better than another venue for this sport, and heaven knows New York, New Jersey and New England is crawling with gearheads.  Catch a Red Sox game, Finger Lakes on the way - make a week of it.

Now if Slim, 17dracing and I can find a straight, 3 mile stretch here in the Midwest where we don't have to worry about hitting a cow, a silo or a subdivision . . . :roll:



Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Carl Johansson on July 16, 2008, 09:39:54 PM
Slim has the connections and the power -  with the snap of his fingers he could comandeer the Macinaw bridge for the most unique venue in the world,  unfortunately his pride and some secret photos preculude him from doing so!

Carl "I for one have seen em!" Johansson


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 17, 2008, 08:31:35 AM
Slim has the connections and the power -  with the snap of his fingers he could comandeer the Macinaw bridge for the most unique venue in the world,  unfortunately his pride and some secret photos preculude him from doing so!

Anyone who can arrange for toilets in the desert is a lot more powerful than I am.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Cajun Kid on July 17, 2008, 04:55:57 PM
Speaking of power to put toilets in the desert?  Who fenced in the desert?


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Stan Back on July 17, 2008, 06:21:48 PM
It wasn't the Indians.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 17, 2008, 07:11:24 PM
Ya know, I never thought about using the Mackinac Bridge, but it is about five miles...  There's a rise of 150 or so feet in the middle from either end -- and traction would be something "different" -- metal mesh on the inside two lanes.  Put your studded snow tires on the race car and nail it when you hit the metal.

I don't have Google Earth for Macs, but if I did I'd show you "the Seney stretch" -- a portion of Michigan M-28 that runs from Shingleton in the west to Seney in the east -- about 23 miles dead flat and straight enough to call perfectly straight, two lanes and paved.  No subdivisions, no cows (it does run along and through a National Wildlife Refuge, so there are a few deer), no silos, not even much in the way of wires.  Lotsa state police, of course -- especially when the colleges are just letting out for the summer.  Look for it in the Upper Peninsula, of course.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: NS_Rider on July 19, 2008, 07:32:24 AM
Considering this venue is only 6 hours from the house, I have been mentioning it to a few people I know. There's alot of interest coming from this side of the border. There are alot of people who can't make the trip to Bonneville or Maxton, but would make this event. Please keep us updated with your progress. As long as it won't conflict with Bonneville, I'll be there to spectate or volunteer.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on July 19, 2008, 02:37:59 PM
I've gotten emails from a few people on your side of the border, and I've found some car enthusiasts sites, notably the Atlantic SportsCar Club, kind of a Canadian version of our SCCA. As we now have all this time until our first event next August, there'll be no excuse for anybody interested not knowing all about the LTA.
We have made the acquaintance of some people that should prove to be very integral to our deal, basically local enthusiasts up there who are very interested.
This makes sense to me, as my interest in LSR increased greatly when I became aware of the ECTA and it's proximity to the East, and our project should appeal likewise to all the motorheads up north and "Down East"
We should have some real fresh info in about three weeks, pictures and specifics,even.
Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Cajun Kid on July 19, 2008, 02:45:28 PM
Bob,  we look forward to  LTA's progress and first event.
Will you have only one event per year or will you try to host 4 or 5 per year?
Keep us all posted.

Thanks

Charles


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Roadsters.com on July 19, 2008, 02:57:43 PM
This could be pretty neat.

When you folks have a Web site, please let me know.

Dave
(602) 233-8400
http://www.roadsters.com/


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on July 19, 2008, 03:33:00 PM
 Bob,  we look forward to  LTA's progress and first event.
Will you have only one event per year or will you try to host 4 or 5 per year?
Keep us all posted.

Thanks

Charles

Due to concerns of the Maine Dept of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife regarding our vehicles noise disturbing the resident population of Upland Sandpipers on this long unused airbase, which they classify as a "threatened species", we are unable to run events in the most ideal for us months of June and July. As we are limited to August and later, we initially plan on the August first weekend previously mentioned,which the Wildlife people have approved. As time goes by, we will see how favorable weather is  later in Sept, and maybe the Bird deal will loosen up somehow.
Imagine running June 20th, the longest day of the year,at 47degrees North latitude.
We'd only need one day to run if it's almost 16 hours of daylight !
Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Roadsters.com on July 19, 2008, 04:17:00 PM
I guess that explains why your club jackets say "Sandpiper Shredders".


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Sumner on July 19, 2008, 08:40:26 PM
.................regarding our vehicles noise disturbing the resident population of Upland Sandpipers on this long unused airbase, which they classify as a "threatened species........................

Has anyone checked to see if they happen to have lived there when the base was being used??  Seems you might now be able to make much more noise than the planes did and at least the cars won't have engines that can suck them in or chop them up.

16 hours of sunlight.........I can barely handle the 12 to 14 at Speed Week at my age,

Sum


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on July 20, 2008, 11:26:10 AM
 Has anyone checked to see if they happen to have lived there when the base was being used??  Seems you might now be able to make much more noise than the planes did and at least the cars won't have engines that can suck them in or chop them up.

16 hours of sunlight.........I can barely handle the 12 to 14 at Speed Week at my age,

Sum

It's the Wildlife people's call, at this time ,we have to work around this.
I've researched this and found;
The bird co exists with air traffic at active airports in other parts of the state, but the fear is this population ("app18-20 nesting pairs") hasn't had traffic up there in over ten years and might not handle it.
The Bird is also not uncommon throughout other parts of the state,especially at the native Blueberry meadows in the south where it existed well before us humans infested North America.
Part of the entire facilities original over 14000 acres has been designated a Wildlife Refuge, like 4500 acres. There are large Whitetail Deer and Moose on the place, although  sightings of them near the pavement are rare, so working with those that are sympathetic to any wildlife seems to be prudent and objective.
And a Bullwinkle/Sandpiper logo would make a neat T-shirt ,no ?
This is gonna be fun.....
Bob W
 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: LVMAXX on July 20, 2008, 11:35:10 AM
 :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: gofast on July 27, 2008, 08:11:03 PM
Hi Bob,
 I live 4 hours from Loring and I'm looking forward to racing there. Will you be using the tower at the air field? Do you have any tech people lined up?
Marcia


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on July 28, 2008, 07:05:07 PM
Marcia !
Four hours from Loring could be approaching the Arctic Circle or Bangor, or Nova Scotia.
We'll probably be using the existing smaller tower at about one mile north from the extreme south end  for recording videos/photos,as it looks to be  too far way from our very broad runway for timing or safety purposes. We will be up there in
the very near future for a media Demo/show day and will hoperfully better grasp where we set up what. It looks like we'll have to construct a proper tower both farther 
down and closer to the track. 
Send me a little more info on your self,either here or off line to help us get a better idea of your capabilities. Don't get us rong, we accept all volunteers,we'll definitely need plenty. Our basic plan includes getting twice as many volunteers to run an event so at least half can be actually racing or meeting the great people in our sport.

BOB W
 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on August 05, 2008, 07:48:46 PM
Bobby Jepson and I, Bob Wanner , will be up to our Runway in Loring for a small media event on Saturday,August 16. We will bring our cars for show and tell about our project and hopefully explaining LSR for our neighbors up North. We will also do demo runs, both to familiarize ourselves with the surface and make a video to show everybody what it looks like. I don't know how much our presence will be publicized otherwise, or how many,if any, curious souls will show. I would like to invite all LSR types that can find any excuse to appear, to come, as I get tired talking to Bobby J all the time.
If you check out the place on a map, we will meet at the far south end of the main runway.
This will not be a racing event, just a little show biz and meet the new neighbors.
Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on August 12, 2008, 01:39:00 PM
Some specifics regarding August 16th;
We will meet the media, as in a local newspaper and the area TV people at 10 am at the south end of the main runway.
No racing, just a demo,familiarity for a few LSR souls and and meet the community.
This may help..
(http://atlas.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=1&latlongtype=internal&latitude=t4aJ6gw7ptj5S5b24wkv3w%3D%3D&longitude=OAyU66kMhutG1XhjJOJYFQ%3D%3D&name=&phone=&level=CITY&cat=&address=&city=Loring+A.f.b.&state=ME&zipcode= (zoom in )
 Hope to see Ya !!!
Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: narider on August 12, 2008, 01:44:36 PM
Some specifics regarding August 16th;
We will meet the media, as in a local newspaper and the area TV people at 10 am at the south end of the main runway.
No racing, just a demo,familiarity for a few LSR souls and and meet the community.

Nice to hear Bob... and best of luck with the public initiation.
Will you be having any kind of rescue or first aid on hand for the demo runs?
Todd


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on August 12, 2008, 02:46:00 PM
Hi Todd !
 As we are only running under highway speeds, we didn't feel there was a necessity for Emerg vehicle attendance. Hopefully we make some good connections during this affair and see if any qualified locals are interested in any kind of volunteer work during our maiden event next year. Between now and then we plan on compiling a list of possible attendees with specific skills, ie,tech,safety, timing, moose evasion,etc.
Also, as Debbie Crash is safe out on The Salt, we are comfortable there'll be no cases of jug rash. LOL
As soon as we get something post-able, it will be on here and the land-speed@autox.team.net site.
BOB W



 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on August 17, 2008, 07:33:59 PM
We got back from Maine about 2 this afternoon. Mostly good news !!!
Bobby HotRods Jepson's Turbo Ford Four 27 T ran all over the runway,provided some good footage for the local TV people. And it ran real good on this it's maiden voyage, and the small crowd that showed loved it.
I unloaded my Insight and starter would not engage. Also could not bump start.  Media and other necessary locals preoccupied our time or maybe we would have got it running. Made nice still shots even on a overcast high 70s day
A few local invited bikes showed, and we had the feeling they'd been here before, a lot.
One guy even brought a Radar gun. Maybe bad news, as on the local evening news at 6, the reporter that attended said one rider had gone 188 mph. As we did not have permission to do high speeds, we are happy that nobody actually recorded  this obviously fictitious pass.
The TV guys promised to send a video of our segment, and I'll post it as soon as it happens. I also got some nice video of BJ at speed to make a little promo , maybe combo with the TV thing.
Newspaper guy also interviewed a few of us,took pix, will run in the Maine papers next week, copies hopefully also to follow.
Bob, 10 hours and 580 miles, W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: t russell on August 17, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
Glad it went well.
Is your group comning to Maxton sept/oct?
terry


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: half-fast on August 17, 2008, 09:11:54 PM
This is just a thought :?

Several of my friends in ME have sleds that have more into them than their 'cars', NHRA allows (or used to) 'snowmobiles' to 'compete', USFRA allows 'barstools' to compete, IF LTA 'sanctioned' 'snowmobiles' to 'compete' (look to the NHRA for safety rules, etc, displacement  classes & apparel requirements same as M/C) then more local involvement might occur and the LTA could become the premier venue for LSR snowmobiles, and that would fit perfectly with the location..........plus I know the state of ME award$ grant$ every year for 'snow mobile clubs' 'trail maintenance' (maybe track maintenance?). Besides what else is one to do with a megadollar sled in August?

As I say just a thought :-o


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on August 18, 2008, 10:42:10 AM
 
This is just a thought :?

Several of my friends in ME have sleds that have more into them than their 'cars', NHRA allows (or used to) 'snowmobiles' to 'compete', USFRA allows 'barstools' to compete, IF LTA 'sanctioned' 'snowmobiles' to 'compete' (look to the NHRA for safety rules, etc, displacement  classes & apparel requirements same as M/C) then more local involvement might occur and the LTA could become the premier venue for LSR snowmobiles, and that would fit perfectly with the location..........plus I know the state of ME award$ grant$ every year for 'snow mobile clubs' 'trail maintenance' (maybe track maintenance?). Besides what else is one to do with a megadollar sled in August?

As I say just a thought :-o
 
AND
 
Glad it went well.
Is your group comning to Maxton sept/oct?
terry
 

I'm trying to both bring my car down in Oct to run it and also get a few event-integral Mainers to attend to see How Its Done.
As far as Snowmobiles, I think it's a great suggestion. especially considering the local population as you said. We will definitely consider it !
Got a phone call a while ago, our video very popular on local  Maine North TV, moved up to feature status, shown about 4-5 times so far.
I actually look older on TV, don't sound any wiser. BJ's dialect is incomprehensible LOL
Getting very mushy watching the pix from Salt Talks, REALLY miss that deal.
Bob of the North, W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 18, 2008, 02:41:37 PM
Bob,  does the TV station that ran the story have a website?  Maybe we can see the feature on it ?

Hope to see you at Maxton in October.

Look me up when you get there.

Charles


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on August 18, 2008, 04:14:22 PM
WAGM TV, and I requested a copy to send out to this site and others. I'm guessing maybe they are not through showing it, like an extended run due to popular demand ? Yeah, right. When I get it,you got it. See Ya in October...
Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on August 19, 2008, 07:04:14 PM
Bob,
Glad it well ... I have 2 more entrants lined up for the Loring meet next year ... Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on August 26, 2008, 07:04:14 PM
Here's a link to an article posted in todays Bangor Daily news from our August 16th visit.
http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/49551.html


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: half-fast on August 26, 2008, 08:11:04 PM
Bob, etal,

A very nice write up, well done. Bob I am in Hopewell Junction, up the road from you.

Lloyd


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on August 30, 2008, 08:02:12 PM
One of the members on the HAMB site posted the news article, here it is again along with member comments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfVAsA7R3g
Also have a You tube  video supplied by WAGM taken on our visit. For what ever reason they clipped off the very beginning and end, but I think everyone will get a taste of the place. I'm also slowly editing a video I took, mostly of BJs #133 
Enjoy !
BOB W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on August 30, 2008, 08:04:50 PM
somehow lost that HAMB link in transition,here it is ( I hope)
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3072942#post3072942
BOB W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: TRNorBRN6001 on November 07, 2008, 02:32:58 PM
just curious how the dates are coming?

Thanks,

     Gary


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on November 07, 2008, 06:37:47 PM
We are deciding, based on information currently being gathered , what dates would be the best concession to allow the most participants. Between the Bird Refuge conflict, and 2009's schedule of events being held by long established LSR organizations, we are really squeezed. We have a few options we are exploring, and should have which weekend posted in a few weeks. We will set up a discounted preregistration arrangement to gauge participant attendance at that time, with accompanying event info.
Everyone should have the opportunity to attempt to create a new LSR site, it would really give you a renewed respect for the continuing efforts of the likes ECTA and SCTA.
BOBW...whining


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: TRNorBRN6001 on November 07, 2008, 08:03:40 PM
Thank you very much Mr. Wanner, your awesome! I'll see if I can't scrounge up some people to come up there. I know one person in Cannada and his dad that will make it, plus maybe a couple people from DC and maybe a nut or two from Texas.

PS: I like cone duty!

PSS: BBQ and Tex-Mex of course!!!!


Thank you much again,

                   Gary Dow


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: half-fast on November 08, 2008, 01:25:03 PM
Bob,

Thanks for keeping us in the loop, and good talking to you at Maxton, thanks for sharing all the info! Let us all know how it goes, and if there is anything to help with.

Lloyd



We are deciding, based on information currently being gathered , what dates would be the best concession to allow the most participants. Between the Bird Refuge conflict, and 2009's schedule of events being held by long established LSR organizations, we are really squeezed. We have a few options we are exploring, and should have which weekend posted in a few weeks. We will set up a discounted preregistration arrangement to gauge participant attendance at that time, with accompanying event info.
Everyone should have the opportunity to attempt to create a new LSR site, it would really give you a renewed respect for the continuing efforts of the likes ECTA and SCTA.
BOBW...whining



Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 01, 2009, 12:07:31 PM
Would love to take the new "Tiger" up there.  But did I understand you correctly when you said you DO NOT have emergency vehicles on course?

Guy


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 01, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
"Would love to take the new "Tiger" up there.  But did I understand you correctly when you said you DO NOT have emergency vehicles on course?"

Guy

Actually, we recently upgraded our safety coverage to two Professional Firefighters, a fire truck w/auto extrication equipt and Foam, and an Ambulance.

Bob W   


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: half-fast on January 02, 2009, 09:49:21 AM
Actually, we recently upgraded our safety coverage to two Professional Firefighters, a fire truck w/auto extrication equipt and Foam, and an Ambulance.

Bob W   

Bob W.

I take it Aug 1 and 2 are cast in stone now? Is there such a thing as an unprofessional firefighter? (meant to be a rhetorical question). If there is they can be the Assistant Site Safety and Health Officer........

Guy hope to see you there!


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 02, 2009, 09:57:41 AM
Loring in August is now on the schedule.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Stainless1 on January 02, 2009, 11:06:56 AM
Loring in August is now on the schedule.

First of August, that is a good time at Loring.... just about the middle of spring and just before fall if I remember right  :roll:  Seems every time I was up there it was during the winter....  :|
This should be a great venue, wish it was in middle America, you guys on the coasts seem to have all the fun... don't worry Carl, after the "big one" your venue will be on the coast too  :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: LVMAXX on January 02, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
 :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 02, 2009, 03:51:00 PM
 

Q)"I take it Aug 1 and 2 are cast in stone now?

A) Definitely probably. We don't have any options as previously outlined due to other LSR dates and our "Threatened" resident nesting Bird.

Q) Is there such a thing as an unprofessional firefighter?

A) The Fire Service up there consists of many levels, from pure Volunteer , through EMT only, to  fully trained Firefighter . We got the pros now.

 Q)(meant to be a rhetorical question). If there is they can be the Assistant Site Safety and Health Officer "

A)Only if you carry around your acronym on a sandwich board. With no pants.   



 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 02, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
Bob, what if don't have a sandwich board with no pants?


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 02, 2009, 04:10:31 PM
Jon,

Now there's a question for the ages. Or actually, aged...... Glen ?
Officially, I'd highly recommend NOT going commando up there, one of those legendary North Maine B-52-ish Black Flies might mistake you for a winged Albino thing and have it's way with you.
Was that your question ? Does everybody not "aged" know what a sandwich board is ?
Is there a SSS porta potty joke in here someplace ? Tune in for the next episode....


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 02, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
Besides me and my torn up machine, how many of you fast bikes will be there?


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: TRNorBRN6001 on January 02, 2009, 06:57:08 PM
Hope to see you running 240mph Mr. Caputo!

I don't know about fast, but the three from Texas will be Entropy, JohnnyCheese, and myself. Maybe more to come.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 02, 2009, 08:31:23 PM
3 Harleys from Long Island will be there ... Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 02, 2009, 09:19:59 PM
Hope to see you running 240mph Mr. Caputo!

I don't know about fast, but the three from Texas will be Entropy, JohnnyCheese, and myself. Maybe more to come.

Mr. Caputo??? You must be talking about my Dad and 240 is still a long way off.  I'd be happy to bust the 230mark first.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: fredvance on January 10, 2009, 10:23:49 AM
Bob, there is a lot of discussin about what distance you are going to run. Could you please let us know? Everyone is hoping that you will run 1.5 miles. There are already two places that run a mile on pavement. I have talked to some of the Texas guys and they probably arent going to make such a long drive to run another mile venue. In my opinion you would have a much better turnout if you run the 1.5 mile. Just my 2 cents worth.  Fred


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 10, 2009, 10:30:26 AM
I agree. Looking long term, assuming this is going to be an annual event, mile and a half gives it a unique identity. This has the potential to be a must do yearly event for a lot of racers instead a 6th one mile date for the east coast.

Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Stainless1 on January 10, 2009, 10:36:15 AM
Your Quote; "You guys on the coasts seem to have all the fun... don't worry Carl, after the "big one" your venue will be on the coast too".

Refers to ? The LSR Event Here In Lovelock?  Haven't heard a word locally on this, but, who am I?

LVM, sorry to take so long to answer.... the big one... you know, the one that makes ocean front property in Arizona... while it is serious stuff if you live in CA, it is just fun for the rest of us.... until it happens  :|


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 13, 2009, 04:44:22 PM
I just posted this on the "Dates" thread. A lot pertains here. ie One and a half miles, at least, and.........
  Re: date
Reply #44 on: Today at 03:38:22 PM Quote Modify 

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The accelerating surface at Loring is over 90% asphalt, only the first 1000 ft is concrete. Better news for tires, not so much for the ideal traction  of 100% concrete. Like somebody else commented, it's like a very wide straight older asphalt country road.
Every vehicle will be considered according to it's Safety equipt, it's speed potential, and the drivers' experience. It's everybody's first event there, and Safety will be the first, second, and third consideration. I will be a major PIA on this.   We all go 25 mph faster @ a time, one increment  per run. The only considerations will be to current SCTA/ECTA Comp licenses, but the rookie run  policy will apply. I'd recommend serious inspection of the brake system, practicing using BHP for deceleration, (usually not so much used in LSR), appropriate laundry for a longer faster course (cars) , and a stock of fresh readily available underwear if all the former doesn't provide prompt access to the return road.
After the pavement ceases, it's sandy soil, then Canada.
JON !!!... Really gonna miss NANCY, and you. All that could go rong, date-wise, went rong with our first event. Next event you can do a "LTALKs" up here.  We will get somebody to post daily updates to this site, I promise.
We got a cadre of Great Volunteers, car and Bike techs from up this way, I'm very happy. Hope to have some very state of the  Art Timing equipt, and our tin cans Commo got fresh strings !!! lol, relax.
Bob W LTA Tour Guide 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 13, 2009, 06:05:31 PM
Bob ... A mile and a half is going to be great .... looking forward to this one ... Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: fredvance on January 13, 2009, 06:17:35 PM
Wish it wasn't so far from Texas, and so close to Speedweek. The biggest thing is so close to Spreedweek. I would love to run 1.5 mi and have a mile shutdown.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 13, 2009, 07:21:47 PM
We all go 25 mph faster @ a time, one increment  per run. The only considerations will be to current SCTA/ECTA Comp licenses, but the rookie run  policy will apply.

Bob,
 What is the rookie run policy to which you refer?
Thanks!
Debbie


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 13, 2009, 07:46:41 PM
Bob,
 What is the rookie run policy to which you refer?
Thanks!
Debbie

Maybe I misnamed it.
I refer to being experienced at one venue at serious speeds, but still being required to work your way up to speed at a new venue to attain familiarity.
We are all rookies  at Loring.
Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 13, 2009, 08:26:38 PM
Ok thanks. So are you entertaining the idea of a step down in license class for a licensed "rookie" racer from another venue?
Generally at Maxton we recommend that racers licensed to 200+ start at 175 on our track for their first run for acclimation.
Of course I'm not the one with the final say, just what I recommend when asked. ;)
Thanks!
Debbie


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on January 14, 2009, 01:01:13 AM
Your best bet is to make a rookie pass for everyone. Set a maximum speed for the first run. If the surface is bumpy or there are transitions or anything that could make it remotely tricky make the first pass a maximum of 150 mph. Let them grumble and err on the safe side. The policy at El Mirage is to make them do it again if they run too fast on the first pass.

Bob, You are the Lord God and High Master and don't let anyone say otherwise. After the first race you can sit down and review things and adjust for the next race.

What is the transition from concrete to asphalt at the 1000 ft mark? Smooth? And the other transitions back to concrete 6/10 of a mile past the finish? Concrete to asphalt 8/10 past the finish and at the end of the pavement 1 mile past? When they hit that sandy soil how hard is it? With a mile to stop I would make the end of the pavement out of bounds.

At Bonneville any vehicle over 175 requires a parachute. At El Mirage 160. Vehicles over 300 require two independent parachutes . At El Mirage the requirement is 250 mph. All vehicles that have a parachute must use them on every run. Even the rookie pass.

Make a mandatory drive down the course for all participants before running so they can see what the track looks like. All the way to the hard stop at the fence or what ever is going to be the end.

Make sure the finish line is very well marked! Have a secondary marking in case somebody misses the finish line. You chew up territory really fast when you are still accelerating past the finish line. If the surface is "older asphalt country road" there could be enough vibration that somebody won't see the finish line. It happens at El Mirage, and I'll bet the lake bed is flatter then your runway.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Sumner on January 14, 2009, 01:37:41 AM
Your best bet is to make a rookie pass for everyone. Set a maximum speed for the first run. If the surface is bumpy or there are transitions or anything that could make it remotely tricky make the first pass a maximum of 150 mph. Let them grumble and err on the safe side. The policy at El Mirage is to make them do it again if they run too fast on the first pass.

Bob, You are the Lord God and High Master and don't let anyone say otherwise. After the first race you can sit down and review things and adjust for the next race.

What is the transition from concrete to asphalt at the 1000 ft mark? Smooth? And the other transitions back to concrete 6/10 of a mile past the finish? Concrete to asphalt 8/10 past the finish and at the end of the pavement 1 mile past? When they hit that sandy soil how hard is it? With a mile to stop I would make the end of the pavement out of bounds.

At Bonneville any vehicle over 175 requires a parachute. At El Mirage 160. Vehicles over 300 require two independent parachutes . At El Mirage the requirement is 250 mph. All vehicles that have a parachute must use them on every run. Even the rookie pass.

Make a mandatory drive down the course for all participants before running so they can see what the track looks like. All the way to the hard stop at the fence or what ever is going to be the end.

Make sure the finish line is very well marked! Have a secondary marking in case somebody misses the finish line. You chew up territory really fast when you are still accelerating past the finish line. If the surface is "older asphalt country road" there could be enough vibration that somebody won't see the finish line. It happens at El Mirage, and I'll bet the lake bed is flatter then your runway.


Good points Dean.  I can't imagine that there will be so many entries that people won't be able to get multiple runs in and there is not much to be gained by going out there and trying to lay down a 200 mph pass your first pass down the track.

I've even gone around in circles about that with Hooley and GH at b'ville.  If we get there and the weather doesn't look like it might rain the event out the next day or so I feel the first pass down the salt should be a continuation of the winter preparation and be an easy pass with some full throttle to check out air/fuel, get the driver comfortable in the can again and the crew and check for any other possible things that might have been over-looked especially if the car/bike is a 200+ mph vehicle.  It would have paid off for us the last two years.

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 14, 2009, 08:36:41 AM
I always do a shakedown pass on motor only every year just to re-acclimate which is about 200mph.  Just to make sure everything is operational.  But after that, it's balls to the wall.  If I'm on the juice, it's all out or nothing.  My motor only has so many passes in it each year.

Guy


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Stainless1 on January 14, 2009, 08:59:24 AM
I'm with Sum on the shakedown... we have always done at least one pass with the car at a comfortable speed for the driver to reacquaint himself with the car and track.  Same for the bike. 
Yes, on a couple of occasions the first shakedown resulted in the requirement for a second...  :-o


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 14, 2009, 07:17:28 PM
'we recommend that racers licensed to 200+ start at 175 on our track for their first run for acclimation."
 I personally have reservations about anybody that would go over 175 on a track he/she never saw or drove before, especially on a Motorcycle. Even after taking a pre- race highway speed orientation run, caution would seem to be the proper route.
We will take every racer's abilities and potential into consideration , but will , again, consider Safety First.
Dean !,
I've driven the track in cars, trucks, and my Insight, all of which have street legal  suspension and really didn't feel a difference from surface to surface, FWIW.
The soil off-track is more soil than sandy, but still kind of loose.
Bob, LG &  HM, W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 14, 2009, 08:04:00 PM
The surface has to be better then Maxton. The Maxton rookie orientation trip is not a bad idea. Competitors with an A license from Bonneville can go as fast as their license permits first time out as long as they do the orientation course. It works.
Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: John Noonan on January 14, 2009, 10:09:51 PM
The surface has to be better then Maxton. The Maxton rookie orientation trip is not a bad idea. Competitors with an A license from Bonneville can go as fast as their license permits first time out as long as they do the orientation course. It works.
Joe

Yes my first pass at Maxton was over 200 mph, perhaps Guthrie remembers.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 15, 2009, 08:41:34 AM
I personally have reservations about anybody that would go over 175 on a track he/she never saw or drove before, especially on a Motorcycle.

I can understand your concerns and agree with you whole heartedly.  A 200mph all motor run IS an acclamation run for me and my bike.  I would never run a course I didn't already walk and drive on before hand.  Going 175mph doesn't even get me out of 5th gear and over a 1.5 mile run would not allow me to get the feel of my bike or the track to be able to prepare for a 220+ run on the juice.  After hitting 175 (at the 1/2 mile marker) I would just be cruising the balance of the track.  Experience levels are definitely a driving force for safety and knowing ones abilities for both man and machine is everything.  But I will do what ever the officials ask of me for a first pass.  Yes, John Noonan ran over 200+ on his first pass at Maxton (on the "Tiger") and he had never ridden that bike before that moment.  But Johns abilities and my bikes abilities were both proven so there was not any question whether or not John should do an acclimation pass.  He is very familiar with high horsepower controlled wheel spinning that goes on at Bonneville and at El Mirage.  Having concrete under his wheels made the ride that much easier for him.

Guy


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 15, 2009, 09:06:46 AM

Yes my first pass at Maxton was over 200 mph,
perhaps Guthrie remembers.


Yes, I do, #45

My rookie pass at Texas was 244 MPH

#4

The name "Scott Guthrie" says it all. 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Stainless1 on January 15, 2009, 09:50:23 AM
Hey Guy, everyone should ride only to their comfort level... and remember you only have to be going 175 at the end where the traps are....  :roll:  :cheers:


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: bak189 on January 15, 2009, 10:14:53 AM
My first pass at LAX was close to 275mph............


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: John Noonan on January 15, 2009, 11:09:03 AM

Yes my first pass at Maxton was over 200 mph,
perhaps Guthrie remembers.


Yes, I do, #45

My rookie pass at Texas was 244 MPH

#4

Scott,

You should have used all the gears.. :wink:  Did you run a race slick on the back and a tire warmer as well?  Or was that done under the current rules of today that make you run on a standard DOT street tire?

J


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on January 15, 2009, 11:10:15 AM
How hard can it be to go 200+ mph? Just twist the throttle until it hurts.

Ok, so Noonan, Guthrie, McVicar and many more have 200+ experience.

Every racer wants to get in the maximum runs possible without limitations.

Nobody has run this track . . . Ever. If I was the race organizer I would take a safe race with some limitation on the racers over potential problems.

Don't forget this is the first race for a new organization at a new venue with no experience. Even if some of the workers have helped at Maxton or Bonneville, none will have worked at this track, under those conditions. There are bound to be many problems that have to be ironed out.

Driving the track at 40 mph in a rental car isn't the same as running the car at 150 or 175 in your race vehicle. No, you may not even get into 5th gear, but you will see what the track looks like, the finish line, and the turn off.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 15, 2009, 02:46:42 PM
I wouldnt take exception to Debbie Dross, John Noonan or Guy Caputo touring the track first and then making a wide open pass over 200. I wouldn't do it personally because I wouldn't feel comfortable. I guess it all about comfort level.
Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 15, 2009, 02:57:31 PM
Well thanks for the vote of confidence but I tend to be a 175mph shaker outer myself! LOL Maybe a little more with an extra 1/2 mile! ;) Hopefully the restrictions won't be too oppressive because obsessively staring at the tach to keep within the boundaries sort of defeats the purpose of getting a feel for the track! But like Guy said, what ever the powers that be are comfortable with is what we will do. We all like to push the limits but most of us do try to stay within the rules!  :wink:

Oh, and speaking of rules I was wondering a few more things...
1) Will you allow running up in engine class like at Maxton or keep it to base class like SCTA?
2) Will there be a 200 mph club & if so will it be the typical set a record rule or just running 200 mph + like TX?

We all have to start making our classification plans now that we know the date!  :-D

Debbie


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 15, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
Boys boys, you are both my heros.  Just wanted you to both know that.

guy


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 15, 2009, 03:31:40 PM
Oh boy, I missed adding Scott Guthrie and Jason McVicars to the list ... my apology Scott / Jason .... you are both certainly capable of touring any course and then going 200 first pass ... Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Stainless1 on January 15, 2009, 03:39:26 PM
OK Kids, the LTA has given us the opportunity to do something no where else can offer, a 1.5 mile run on pavement.  While we joke  :roll: and banter back and forth at each other remember this is an opportunity to be the fastest most of us will ever go.  As I said earlier in this thread, I hope they offer both the mile and the 1.5, that way there might be a comparison.  
No one should ever go faster than their comfort level and since this is a new track, no one knows what that is until August.  It is a long time to race day kids.  The LTA is way ahead at this point, let's give them the chance to have a successful and safe meet.  
Maybe a couple of you guys should settle your differences on the race track... safely of course.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 15, 2009, 03:45:13 PM
SS,
The most exciting aspect of the inaugural LTA event is the mile and a half ... this is a unique venue and every record will be unique. I am hoping that there is a significant turnout for this because just about every pass will be a new record in a new meet / location / distance ... Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Cajun Kid on January 15, 2009, 06:22:31 PM
Joe,

I think you are correct... In each class that has an entrant, the fastest run of the meet in each class will in fact hold the new 1.5 mile paved LTA record ?? 

Charles



Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: John Noonan on January 15, 2009, 06:25:02 PM
That place will be so fast ! ! ! Hold on Boys and Girls  :cheers:


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 15, 2009, 06:46:43 PM
You can race gas, set a record, then if you pay the fee again you can set a record in fuel just by removing the seal. Set 2 records if you are the only entrant.

Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 15, 2009, 07:03:58 PM
"Oh, and speaking of rules I was wondering a few more things...
1) Will you allow running up in engine class like at Maxton or keep it to base class like SCTA?
2) Will there be a 200 mph club & if so will it be the typical set a record rule or just running 200 mph + like TX?

We all have to start making our classification plans now that we know the date! 

Debbie"

Can't give you a definitive on 1). yet, Debbonator, I've got to discuss it with the other "A" in LTA.
As for 2). Yes, there will be a LTA 200 MPH Club, final actual title and requirements also under advisement. Might even have a 300 club, just in case.   
Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 15, 2009, 08:07:40 PM
Thanks Bob! Please let us know when you decide.
Remember, class jumps are a good money maker for a new venue!  :wink:

Debbie


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: John Noonan on January 16, 2009, 01:27:12 AM
Yeah Deb that will be cool when a 50cc YSR runs in the APS UF (Altered Partial Streamlined UNLIMITED Fuel) class and sets a record at 55mph..I am sure the holder will be real proud.. :roll:

Make it like real racing..

Awe never mind. just get the money... :cheers:


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 16, 2009, 07:42:59 AM
See that's the beauty of a new venue, they can set the rules the way that they will work best for the organization to thrive and grow.
If that scenario is an undesirable outcome then they can choose to allow class jumping by CC but limit it to one or two steps.
This way the 50cc bike would be eligible to run 50cc, 100cc & 125cc only. I think a solution like that gives the best of both worlds.
I have great respect for the way the SCTA runs their classes but at the same time, if a 50cc vehicle can run faster then a 125cc
vehicle then the 125cc vehicle needs to work a little harder! I don't see the harm in CC jumping.

The ECTA would not have survived financially had it not allowed class jumping in the beginning. Many people are eager to run LTA
and see it successful but the organization has to consider if the many people that will show up will net enough money to at the very
least break even. Unless of course Mr Noonan plans to financially support the venue so it will run they way he thinks it should!   :-P

Debbie


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Commuta_Busa on January 16, 2009, 08:37:12 AM
I agree with Deb  :cheers: cc jumps of 1-2 classes should really help get things started. All though I would not want to see a 50cc unfaired bike running in a streamliner class. Of course alot of us are focused on bikes and I don't know how things would effect the 4 wheel folks. :? Some input from them would be good too.

As everyone else agrees I think we all just want the opportunity to run 1.5 miles and will be satisfied with most if not all of the decisions the LTA prescribes.  :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 16, 2009, 08:38:20 AM
Debbie...now, now, not you too.  Lets keep the sarcasm to a minimum.  It's not lady-like and you know how I am one of your minions dedicated to keeping you safe from harm.

All hail the Cone Queen :-D :-D :-D

Guy


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: TRNorBRN6001 on January 16, 2009, 09:46:33 AM
Didn't someone do that at BUB and win a little coin for displacement to speed. Sorry a little off topic.

Thank you again Mr. Wanner, what a tremendous under taking! Hope all goes well, and it's successful, but most of all I hope you enjoy yourself a little and have fun too!


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 16, 2009, 09:48:47 AM
Didn't someone do that at BUB and win a little coin for displacement to speed. Sorry a little off topic.

I believe they use actual displacement for that award. It was a small cc bike that won it but I do believe it was based on real numbers. ;)

Debbie


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Cajun Kid on January 16, 2009, 10:44:41 AM
Ok car guy here !!!

I would think the cars can change classes only within the body category at a given event.

My car is an  E/CGALT  since it runs altered I am stuck in altered the entire year at each venue (I think),

With that said, I can run E/CGALT, then re enter to E/CFALT no problem. I could then enter Blown gas and Blown fuel  so 4 classes with same motor ??  Hmm if fast enough run "up motor class" to D or even C...
All bikes seem to be able to change motor class, fuel class and blown or unblown just as I described for cars,, yet one possible differance,, if I undrstand is Bikes can also change body/category,,, where a car can not ?? or can some cars ? I can't as I read the rules since I am running Classic Altered ??


Charles


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: dwarner on January 16, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
This is the main issue with the number of classes currently being run. Able to run up class with an unblown E on gas to Blown Fuel Comp Coupe because there is no record?

Not something I would take a lot of pride in.

DW


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Stan Back on January 16, 2009, 12:41:21 PM
Dan, Dan --

Don't you realize it's cherry-picking season in other parts of the country?

How about just getting a graphics program for your computer and just printing whatever you want?

We got a 179 mph record from one venue without attending for $15.  200 mph costs $25 -- we're saving up!

Stan Back


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: racin jason on January 16, 2009, 01:48:26 PM
Yeah Deb that will be cool when a 50cc YSR runs in the APS UF (Altered Partial Streamlined UNLIMITED Fuel) class and sets a record at 55mph..I am sure the holder will be real proud.. :roll:

Make it like real racing..

Awe never mind. just get the money... :cheers:

I think this is Bob and Co's show and he can run it the best way he sees fit.
There's is something cool about throwing your own party, everyone has to play by your rules! :cheers:

I support being able to run different classes and run up displacement classes. This does two things, first it brings in extra income that will ensure the LTA will continue to operate and prosper.
Having a 1.5 mile paved race is going to put up some huge numbers and be a great shot in the arm for the sport.

Secondly, It fills the record book with many records and gives others a target to shoot for.

We have all looked through the SCTA records and have seen "Soft" records that we know we can beat.

What's the difference?

How about a SCTA "C" motor record that is faster than a "AA" motor? Is that ok just because the "AA" was running in his class? 
Is that real racing?
Should the "AA" record be wiped from the book?
Did the "AA" racer show up race his car and pay the same entry as the "C" racer? Yes he did.
Is it a record? Yes it is.
Is it a soft record? Maybe.
If it bothers someone that much they can build a "AA" and bring it out and show us how soft it is!

How about running on SOFT El Mirage minimums and setting records and getting points?
"Real racers" in classes that had records set by racing not by committee could never achieve the amount points that the minimum racers can.

Is that real racing or just taking advantage of poorly set minimums?  You be the judge.

How about running just over the class record on GPS to get the record points but not fast enough to prevent the racer from breaking the same record the next event.
Is that real racing?

Are we Landspeed racers or bracket racers?

I will leave it up to you to decide!

J.







Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: dwarner on January 16, 2009, 02:00:13 PM
My point exactly Jason - too many classes, not a realistic points chase, it goes on and on.

I understand the new venue, run up class, set records, gain income. I encouraged John Beckett to do that. This isn't my first rodeo.

DW


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Cajun Kid on January 16, 2009, 02:29:56 PM
DW  it looks like you  have it all under control....

My take on car classes is that we seem to be forced into staying in our body class.. and I am 100% OK with that,, as that is the class I chose to build and run in... now as to motor class... If I run in "E" and set the record and decide that I think my E set up can compete with the D class, why Not ?  same as If my gas motor can compete with the fuel class,,,  .. Seems to me that is good for everybody...??

This is a great group of folks and looks like you have lots of folks very interested in supporting the event... I will be working hard to get the Stude to LTA,, but back up plan is to bring the Vicky,,, but since the Vicky now has a Pump gas  C motor... and LTA is 1.5 miles,,,I  may have to add some more roll cage and wear a diaper,, LOL

See you and continued good luck.

Charles


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 17, 2009, 12:12:33 PM
APS/PG1000 - went 151 mph on Bonneville short course. !49 at Maxton. Same gearing significantly different jetting. Maxton is 220 ft elevation, Loring is 745 ft , Bonneville is 4200 ft . With Maxton jetting I anticipate 5 mph increase over Bonneville using the extra 1/2 mile ... If you factor that for the Busas they could go 260 + ... Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 17, 2009, 12:18:36 PM
An unrelated thread discussion has been split off from this thread & relocated.
I created a new board in Misc Forums called LSR General Chat.
(I didn't ask Daddy SSS's permission. I'm running on the ask for forgiveness rather then permission notion! He knows how to fix it if he doesn't like it.)

Here is a link to the thread.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5366.0.html

Here are two posts that are related to this thread:
Am I the only one that thinks the speeds at Loring are not going to be THAT much faster?  I am thinking a little faster but not what people are imagining.  It still takes set-up and Hp, correct?  I do realize that with the extra distance, extra Hp in a turbo bike can be applied and more importantly the sharp corners of little mistakes (shift points, throttle control...) are smoothed out.  But do you all really think people are going to be pulling 10-15 mph out of their butts  :|  I checked with the guys that have run the 1.5 over the pond... this is why I am thinking this way.

Bill


Bill,

Trust me you guys and gals are going to go at least 5-10 mph faster, the guys over the pond have never equaled the speeds we as a group have done over here whether at El Mirage, Texas, Bonneville and Maxton.

They have had a few fast passes and the fastest ever recorded at 265.4 mph however that was done by Frank with a 35+ mph tailwind as told to me by a fellow racer that did race the same weekend.  The return speeds were much less and the average was less than 250 for the two way.

Their is another event there in Sept and if their is not a lot of wind or moisture is will be a good comparison to the speeds you folks will run at Loring.

John


I now return you to your regularly scheduled LTA forum discussion.



Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: WildBro on January 17, 2009, 12:30:32 PM
I can see the 5mph more, but no way 15mph. 

Bill


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 17, 2009, 12:38:34 PM
The other thing to consider is that it is primarily asphalt and not concrete. There will likely be new challenges in regards to traction that can easily have an impact on the final speeds. A new challenge & learning curve!

Debbie


Title: Top Speed Potential
Post by: John Noonan on January 17, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
Bill,

I think the faired bikes will be the ones that pick up the most mph with the added distance as a few factors will go against an unfaired bike/rider.

1.  Mainly the lack of streamlining on the bike and in front of the rider would be the main reason for a less than even mph gain to the faired machines.

2.  When you ran all of your phenomenal unfaired passes 240-246 mph that ride was very quick and just a flash in the pan with regards to time holding on, moving in to position and getter "aero"  With the added distance I see that you and others will have the potential to go faster than you might think barring any weather conditions.

The above comments are only direct at Turbo Machines that are not able to deliver all the power to the ground in a mine distance at this time, a stock bike of any size may be out of p o o p at the mile and may not pick anything in the next 1/2  mile.

When I ran 240 naked at El Mirage it was just a quick flash at top speed and holding was not an issue however Jason can tell you what it is like to run 235+ at Bonneville for an entire mile, it is a totally different machine as you are holding that a great speed for 3-3.5 miles and as Jason made mention before it was hard to do.

I feel you unfaired can pick up five and Wayne can pick up 10 plus mph on the bike Scott bought from Charlie.


J


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on January 17, 2009, 02:06:30 PM
I agree with John (Don't I always?  :evil:)

The non-turbo bikes are probably close to their aero/hp max and won't see much. The turbo bikes and partially streamlined bikes will gain, and any bike that is having traction limitations at Maxton or Bonneville will have another half mile to dial it in. No amount of length at Bonneville will improve traction.
On the extra asphalt you have time to adjust the throttle, make yourself a little smaller, smoke a cigarette . . .

The big guns could see 15 mph. The 50 cc guys . . . not so much.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: iamflagman on January 23, 2009, 01:29:51 PM
My question is, can my VW BRICK go any faster in 1.5 miles than it does in 1 mile :roll: I'm planning on making the trip up to Loring with the WABBIT in August and looking forward to the whole season to start here on the east coast.

If there is plenty of dry camping at the track, I will be planning a Blue Bird Wanderlodge mini-rally just like we do twice a year at Maxton.

(http://www.pbase.com/iamflagman/image/100974772.jpg)
http://www.pbase.com/iamflagman/image/100974772

I might stay up in the northeast for an extended trip in the 'Bird, if anybody has any suggestions of inexpensive places to go see, in the eastern Canadian provinces, please email me off the forum at iamflagman@aol.com



Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 23, 2009, 03:38:30 PM
John
The best part about you and the Blue Bird rally is that some of the rally folks set up on the return road with a chalk board and hold it up with the speed displayed as you come by.
Hope they going to do it again this year ...
Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 23, 2009, 04:45:17 PM
John
The best part about you and the Blue Bird rally is that some of the rally folks set up on the return road with a chalk board and hold it up with the speed displayed as you come by.
Hope they going to do it again this year ...
Joe

The chalkboard speeds right at the end is definitely nice just so long as they "contain" the kids!  :evil: Nothing will scare the beejeeses out of you more then a kid darting out from behind a BIG motorhome on a bike when you least expect it :-o especially if you're rolling while adjusting the after race things (and checking the GPS!  :-D )

It will be great to see the wabbit & co up there! Just like a little piece of home! ;)
Debbie


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: iamflagman on January 23, 2009, 06:00:27 PM
John
The best part about you and the Blue Bird rally is that some of the rally folks set up on the return road with a chalk board and hold it up with the speed displayed as you come by.
Hope they going to do it again this year ...
Joe

The chalkboard speeds right at the end is definitely nice just so long as they "contain" the kids!  :evil: Nothing will scare the beejeeses out of you more then a kid darting out from behind a BIG motorhome on a bike when you least expect it :-o especially if you're rolling while adjusting the after race things (and checking the GPS!  :-D )

It will be great to see the wabbit & co up there! Just like a little piece of home! ;)
Debbie

I will try to remember to bring the chalkboard and chalk and the bicycle terrorist has been warned, but of course he was warned before the last time, so we may have to be a little more FIRM this time, by not allowing the bicycle. They may show up at Maxton but I'd be surprised if they come to Loring, as they live in Arkansas.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 55chevr on January 23, 2009, 06:43:13 PM
Fortunately, I did not encounter the bicycle ... the board posted speeds were cool.

Joe


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: DahMurf on January 23, 2009, 08:03:46 PM
Hehehe

We always have a chalk board & chalk as well as a white board with markers in our trailer for posting important speeds! If our trailer makes the trip up anyone is welcome to borrow them for such use! I used to do that job way back when, you know, when I had nothing better to do at the track! I think I remember those days!  :?   LOL

Debbie


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: LVMAXX on January 25, 2009, 09:41:11 AM
 :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 28, 2009, 11:18:52 PM
Don't stop posting here, 27 more is 10 K views !!! Izzat a record, SSS ?
What was your question ?
 
BOB W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 29, 2009, 01:54:12 PM
It sure is a record, Bob.  This is the first time in the history of the known universe that the "Welcome to the LTA forum" has received over 10,000 page views.

I offer my hearty corngratulations and best wishes for a successful afternoon.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 29, 2009, 08:31:14 PM
Check out... http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/7772641.jpg
The best map of The Runways at Loring. Print out the following to get a guided tour.

In case whoever gets this hasn't seen the facility in Limestone, Maine, here's the best shot I've yet seen . It was taken by a local flyboy from Caribou, a few miles West of there. The Maine (pun) runway is on the extreme right, will be run south to north. It is 300 ft wide by a total paved area of over 14000 ft long. We will initially utilize that 1,000 ft concrete pad for the start, followed by the next app. 7000 ft of asphalt for a total of one and one half miles, or 7920 ft total,  to the 132 ft  traps. This is followed by another over app  5000 ft  for  deceleration, Shut Down. Looking at the map, half way between the second and third bisecting at right angle
connecting roads is about where the traps will be. About 1000 ft beyond is the initial return road access left ,or Short Shut Down,  available to vehicles that can negotiate the turn if their speed is slow enough, due to great brakes or lower initial trap speeds.We expect the more utilized exit will be the next, Long Shut Down, encountered after the concrete pad at practically the north end, with an obviously also left turn to the Return road. Whether using either the Short or Long accesses , proceed to the farthest West runway to return to either the pits or the Start/Staging area. The center runway is Off Limits to everybody, as the DEC/EPA is currently utilizing it for their specific purposes. I believe we can cross over it from the Short access to the far left (West) and just keep right from the Long Shut down to get to the Return Road.
That large paved rectangle to the left ( West)  of the Concrete is our pit area, and out of sight to the south and right is staging. We will finalize the return process after consultation with the Loring Development Corp. 
We, the LTA, would  appreciate it if all participants would stay to the road we mark out and designate for entrance/exit to our areas only, as that is what our  Insurance covers. It is also what our hosts, the Loring Development Corp, the Limestone PD and FD , and  the Maine Inland Wildlife request of us.
So far they all have been more than gracious in allowing our presence on this setting so perfect for our needs.
For more specific info, the LDA site is   http://www.loring.org/lda_home.asp
Bob Wanner,   Just one of the A's in Loring Timing Association
My Car... http://www.ecta-lsr.com/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=0&pos=27
Going to LTA/09
       
 
 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: entropy on January 30, 2009, 08:14:25 AM
Check out... http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/7772641.jpg
NICE pic of the track, thanks!

My Car... http://www.ecta-lsr.com/Gallery/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=0&pos=27
Going to LTA/09

dang, what motor do you have in that nice Kawasaki green eco-car to get you to 160mph???

what are you hoping for in 1.5mi??
       
 
 



Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 30, 2009, 12:36:30 PM
Can't wait.  Bob, is the Caribou Inn and Convention center the place to stay?

Guy


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on January 30, 2009, 07:59:21 PM
 "The Caribou Inn and Convention center" is indeed the place to stay. Just today we made preliminary arrangements for a LTA Racers discount there.  I'll get the particulars and relay them here next week.
My car is a "Citrus Green" 2000 Honda Insight Turbo'd two liter V-Tec. Has gone officially 177 at ECTA, 197 unofficially at a remote private facility (w/0 second gear).
It should do considerably better in Maine. 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 30, 2009, 08:16:11 PM
So - what's the "racer discount" -- down 10% followed by up 20%?  Just wondering...

Oh, wait -- I'm thinking of Wendover.  In Maine they'll be more likely to treat the racers right, right?


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on January 30, 2009, 08:17:28 PM
Of course right.  I'll book the room as soon as I hear the discount.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: WildBro on January 30, 2009, 08:41:09 PM
Of course right.  I'll book the room as soon as I hear the discount.

Us too.

Bill


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Cajun Kid on January 31, 2009, 09:42:23 PM
Still working out the 2009 travel budget,,,, Since I don't have a chassis even started for the Stude,,, If can make the trip I will probably have to take the Vicky to Loring and limit my speed to 175 (current cage etc..)
I was sure hoping to get the Stude done by then,,, but hope alone won't get it done....

Charles


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Commuta_Busa on February 03, 2009, 08:21:49 AM
Any updates on the racer discount?


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on February 03, 2009, 02:10:11 PM
"Any updates on the racer discount?"

We have a discount at http://www.caribouinn.com. $88 for a basic room, more discount for suites, etc. Our research chose this place and the "Budget Traveler" in Presque Isle.
The latter offers no discount,  but their basic rate is cheaper. You get what you pay for.
At this Caribou Inn and Conference above, we will have a Salt Talks type of get together on Saturday night, "The LSRendevouz" either in the Bar or if attendance indicates it necessary, Poolside indoors with a private bar and Bartender. No matter where you choose to stay, "LSRendevouz" attendance is recommended.
One other possibility we are waiting for info on is the In-Construction Hampton Inn, also in Presque Isle, slated for Grand Opening in June/July.
Multiple (cancellable) reservations might be a consideration, in case a better deal opens up. We will also ask about on Site/trackside camping for the RV and tent crowd.
BOB W



Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on February 03, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
WHEN/IF you call the Caribou Inn, ask for the "LTA Racers Discount", mention Betty Hersey ( The hotel Rep)  if necessary. Make sure you are in the Caribou Inn, NOT Presque Isle, another place in this mini chain.  Bigger rooms = discounts up to  $30 off. Any problems, get right back to me ! Thank You.
Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Nosgsx1300 on February 04, 2009, 04:27:03 AM
I will be camping in Lagrange Maine in anyone needs a place to tent

Or will camping be allowed at or near the venue?


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Commuta_Busa on February 04, 2009, 08:43:21 AM
I booked my room  :cheers:

The reservationist wasn't sure what the price was going to be exactly because they didn't have the specifics on the discount. I did mention that this was for the LTA event and to aply the LTA racers discount and that Betty Hersey can confirm the discount. I'll call them in a few weeks just to find out waht the discount is. Discount or not I wouldn't miss the event!  :wink:


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on February 08, 2009, 06:23:57 PM
I'm posting this on all the LTA threads.
A little reminder to remember SSS Jon W and how kind he is to maintain this beautiful thing, Landracing .com for all of us.
Consider patronizing all the advertising sites here (hits) and when you meet him, let him know how you appreciate him.   
Also ask him how he got that Hot woman to marry him.
BOB, I'm thankful, big time,  W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Underdog on February 08, 2009, 09:08:11 PM
Bob,congrats on this event!!! Were going to try to make this event with the ole UnderDog!!The 1.5 mile might be enough room to finaly pull 6th gear!!! Let us know if we can help .Larry & Frank


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on February 18, 2009, 05:35:22 PM
"Or will camping be allowed at or near the venue?"
 Official word as of today regarding camping on the grounds.
The Loring Development Authority oversees the grounds, and it's their decision not to allow camping or any overnight presence on the property. There are businesses occupying nearby buildings that the LDA feels would be uncomfortable with this . 
I have not checked out Campgrounds in the vicinity, but do know they do exist.
I will explore options, as in another approach.
BOB W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: gofast on February 18, 2009, 10:35:59 PM
There is a state park about 20 miles south of Loring. That might be an option.

Marcia


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: iamflagman on February 19, 2009, 06:43:04 AM
"Or will camping be allowed at or near the venue?"
 Official word as of today regarding camping on the grounds.
The Loring Development Authority oversees the grounds, and it's their decision not to allow camping or any overnight presence on the property. There are businesses occupying nearby buildings that the LDA feels would be uncomfortable with this . 
I have not checked out Campgrounds in the vicinity, but do know they do exist.
I will explore options, as in another approach.
BOB W

This may be a problem for those of us with large RV's and trailers, finding a campground that you can get a 62 foot rig like mine into can be a real big problem and most state parks are not Big Rig friendly, finding a campground with long pull throughs would be ideal. I would personally be happy with just a large parking area in the area for the overnight. Leaving a campground early in the morning with an RV is not the most hospitable thing to do, smoke and noise pollution with an old CAT 3208 like mine :roll:

Does Maine have a NO IDLE LAW that would prevent using generators at the race site, or just parking overnight somewhere?

Most Air Force Bases had a FamCamp located on the facility, is there possibly one there that is now privately owned?

Will we be able to leave our race vehicles and trailers there at the event site overnight? How safe will they be with those businesses close by?

What time will we be able to get onto the race site each morning and when will we have to be off site at night?

A lot of these answers may determine if I come that far for the event, Maxton has spoiled me :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on February 19, 2009, 05:57:33 PM
 I forwarded these concerns about RVs/campers/ trailers/etc to my Maine Man,  He'll have answers quick. We'll re approach the LDA about this, emphasizing our need for security for race cars, trailers, and LTA  equipt left out overnight.
I feel relatively confidant we can work something out, as it seems inefficient parking off base when there are 14,000 acres of nothing up there.
Hang in there,  we'll get back on this.
BOB W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: iamflagman on February 19, 2009, 09:33:41 PM
I forwarded these concerns about RVs/campers/ trailers/etc to my Maine Man,  He'll have answers quick. We'll re approach the LDA about this, emphasizing our need for security for race cars, trailers, and LTA  equipt left out overnight.
I feel relatively confidant we can work something out, as it seems inefficient parking off base when there are 14,000 acres of nothing up there.
Hang in there,  we'll get back on this.
BOB W

Thanks Bob,

I appreciate it. I did a Google Maps http://maps.google.com/maps (http://maps.google.com/maps)  search of Limestone and did find a street view search of a small truck stop called I believe Hometown Fuel that has a small dirt lot http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Limestone,+Maine&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=29.163842,31.816406&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=46.912565,-67.825767&panoid=BEq01d9y2C0-XpWy3o-0Yg&cbp=12,329.04114881631426,,0,2.173075124306766&ll=46.912516,-67.825642&spn=0,359.850826&z=13&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Limestone,+Maine&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=29.163842,31.816406&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=46.912565,-67.825767&panoid=BEq01d9y2C0-XpWy3o-0Yg&cbp=12,329.04114881631426,,0,2.173075124306766&ll=46.912516,-67.825642&spn=0,359.850826&z=13&iwloc=addr)

There is a Wal Mart Campground..er...Supercenter located in Presque Isle. There is also a private campground just north of Presque Isle called Arndt's Campground http://www.arndtscamp.com/AARLC/Home.html (http://www.arndtscamp.com/AARLC/Home.html) that says they are Big Rig friendly but by the looks of their web site photos, they are only talking about being friendly to just Big RV's, but adding the trailer on the back may be a problem getting in and out of the sites.

Thanks again for any help.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on February 20, 2009, 08:50:15 PM
Hey RV Fans, how's this for service ? We have secured an area for parking large rigs near the runway, on the grounds. It is just West of the Golf Course of The Limestone Country Club Golf Course, and can be found on the MapQuest map of Loring AFB .
This is all obviously preliminary, but it seems this problem is solved and conventional camping should also be arranged shortly. Let me  emphasize there are no "hook ups" or electric available, but we are working on an area  enclave specifically for LTA people.  Hang in there, we are on it like a bum on a baloney sandwich....
BobW, The Lone Arranger


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: iamflagman on February 20, 2009, 08:58:12 PM
Hey RV Fans, how's this for service ? We have secured an area for parking large rigs near the runway, on the grounds. It is just West of the Golf Course of The Limestone Country Club Golf Course, and can be found on the MapQuest map of Loring AFB .
This is all obviously preliminary, but it seems this problem is solved and conventional camping should also be arranged shortly. Let me  emphasize there are no "hook ups" or electric available, but we are working on an area  enclave specifically for LTA people.  Hang in there, we are on it like a bum on a baloney sandwich....
BobW, The Lone Arranger

Thanks Bob....who was that masked man?

I can taste that baloney all the way down here and by the way, you can stop sending that cold air down here now, we have already had enough of it............26 degrees tonight in South Carolina............:roll: :cry:
BRRRRRRRRRRRRR


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on February 20, 2009, 09:27:09 PM
Hang in there, we are on it like a bum on a baloney sandwich....
 :cheers:

Thanks Bob,

I'm thinking of camping out this trip.  I hate leaving my trailer unattended, then again, I like long showers too.

Guy


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Commuta_Busa on February 25, 2009, 08:33:48 AM
So I go to the new LTA web site http://lta-lsr.com/HOME.htm and LTA-LSR board brings me right back to this special place.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on February 25, 2009, 11:45:50 AM
Yeah, kinda simplifies matters, don't it ?
Makes it easy to procrastinate on finishing the website construction . LOL
Everybody involved in this has another parallel life,their first , and time spent on this is discretionary. Everything anyone needs to know will be made available in due time, and at this time I believe 90% of what you need to know is already known, unless you are a major newbie to LSR.
Jon SSS W offered this option (forum) to me, worked out nicely, I think.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify this connection 
 Another 2 ft plus of snow at Loring, I guess the C of F test is in July...
BOB W 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on March 08, 2009, 01:41:46 PM
LTA/09  Attendees,
I thought I'd just inform  everybody on these forums  that there are , according to the Caribou Inn people, 11 rooms currently left at our $88 discount rate, and a few Kings and suites for our weekend.  Those 88s are for any day including the weekend, and "are good for up to four people in a room" . I'd suggest even if you're not sure which days you are attending to reserve a room or two, you can always cancel. We are still working on improving our accommodations , even though this is a really good deal, and will very likely be the site of our poolside Salt Talks style "LSRendezvous" at least Saturday night.
We'd also recommend reserving Sun and Mon night, it might be a long weekend.
There are,according to the Caribou Inn people, about twenty rooms reserved by LTA attendees already in early March.
We also currently already have 14 pre registered racers , even though we have not started formally announced we are accepting  them.
Bob, Woodstock ?,  W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: 2fast4u2c on March 08, 2009, 04:27:20 PM
Only 8 left now.

Guy


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on March 08, 2009, 08:01:49 PM
I'll make another call up there this week. Considering  the website advertises 73 rooms and we of the LTA only reserved  around <30 at this time, that leaves 43 for ? . There is no local event besides us that weekend, and the only other things going on are reunions and Funerals. I will respectively skip the huge opportunity for levity at this point. Although I will educate those of the majority that live in non frozen winter ground areas. When someone passes in the dead of winter up there, they basically wait until the ground thaws for interment. So there is a spring funeral season and corresponding upsurge in room reservations .
I'm on it, the rooms ,that is.
BOB W ( will be cremated, packed in my chute, popped at the lights)


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: entropy on March 09, 2009, 04:21:37 AM
TRN0BRN & I have our rooms reserved!

can't wait!  :-D


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on March 09, 2009, 05:50:08 PM
I called the Caribou Inn regarding the "rooms left" deal . It was a misunderstanding, they have plenty rooms left. Some with King size beds, some suites with more beds, all at a discount. I'd still recommend reserving early to get a choice of smoking/Non, or preferences to floors (it's two floors), proximity to the lots or the pool or the bar, or just that piece of mind knowing you have a nice clean room after a long day of LSR .
As time goes by, we feel more and more comfortable up there, something  experienced   only in a smaller town than usual in our sport.
Bob W
 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: TRNorBRN6001 on March 09, 2009, 09:16:54 PM
Room closest to the Bar! :-D :-D :-D  :cheers:


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: TerryW on March 11, 2009, 03:01:44 PM
I just heard about this event. THANKS for putting it together. I have never gone Land Speed Racing, but have wanted to go to Bonneville to join the 130MPH Club (or make an attempt anyway) on my motorcycle for a few years now. Circumstances and finances have prevented it. Now, only a short 10 or 11 hour drive away, I hope to be able to make it to the inaugural event. Not to mention my fiancee has lived on Loring (her dad was stationed there) she is anxious to bring me there.  I'm new to the sport so go easy on me, but I anticipate building something to compete for records some time in the future. :cheers:


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: entropy on March 11, 2009, 03:25:36 PM
I just heard about this event. THANKS for putting it together. I have never gone Land Speed Racing, but have wanted to go to Bonneville to join the 130MPH Club (or make an attempt anyway) on my motorcycle for a few years now. Circumstances and finances have prevented it. Now, only a short 10 or 11 hour drive away, I hope to be able to make it to the inaugural event. Not to mention my fiancee has lived on Loring (her dad was stationed there) she is anxious to bring me there.  I'm new to the sport so go easy on me, but I anticipate building something to compete for records some time in the future. :cheers:

Terry,
WAY cool that yr squeeze actually lived on the base; I betcha i am not alone in wanting to hear her stories over a beer or two...

Are you running a car or bike?

personal goal?

I am a bike guy but as long as you don't care who you are seen with, i'll buy beers!
karl


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Stan Back on March 11, 2009, 05:51:27 PM
. . .wanted to go to Bonneville to join the 130MPH Club (or make an attempt anyway) on my "motorcycle" . . .


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: TerryW on March 11, 2009, 09:36:10 PM
You're on for the beer!!!! I will hopefully be riding my 92 Virago the 11 hour ride from the Upper Valley, VT, to Loring.  I will be there, Spectator or Participant. 

My fiancee was stationed there 78-82 and owns LoringAirForceBase.com  (http://www.loringairforcebase.com/ ) and will be posting links to this event on her site, probably tomorrow.  It has already been posted to the Loring Yahoo Group and to the Loring Ramp Rats site (42nd Security Police Squadron - includes Law Enforcement, K-9, Security Police, etc. - http://www.loringramprats.com . ) 

By the way, she says that The Rendezvous, the little pizza joint (with bar) outside the East Gate road is great.  It's a must-go whenever she's up there.

I'm looking forward to the 24 +/- hour ride on the bike!  Speed safe!

 :cheers:

 


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: entropy on March 12, 2009, 12:18:03 AM
You're on for the beer!!!! I will hopefully be riding my 92 Virago the 11 hour ride from the Upper Valley, VT, to Loring.  I will be there, Spectator or Participant. 

My fiancee was stationed there 78-82 and owns LoringAirForceBase.com  (http://www.loringairforcebase.com/ ) and will be posting links to this event on her site, probably tomorrow.  It has already been posted to the Loring Yahoo Group and to the Loring Ramp Rats site (42nd Security Police Squadron - includes Law Enforcement, K-9, Security Police, etc. - http://www.loringramprats.com . ) 

By the way, she says that The Rendezvous, the little pizza joint (with bar) outside the East Gate road is great.  It's a must-go whenever she's up there.

I'm looking forward to the 24 +/- hour ride on the bike!  Speed safe!

 :cheers:

 


allright!!!!

Beers at the Rendezvous!!!!

(http://www.loringairforcebase.com/heather_santaw2/images/loring.april.2006.30.jpg)


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: TRNorBRN6001 on March 12, 2009, 08:14:52 AM
TFA loves good eats!!!!


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on March 12, 2009, 08:50:13 PM
I guess if that Pizza place by the east gate , The Rendezvous, is still open, we'll have to rename our get together on Saturday night at the Caribou Inn. We had originally titled it "LSRendezvous", a Maine version of The Salt Talks at Speedweek. In order not to confuse, we need another name. Like,we really need another lame name game here.
That info on http://www.loringairforcebase.com/ is great. I'll contact The Lady, ask numerous dumb questions. Amazing considering how long the place has been shut down how the former residents keep in touch. Now they get a reason for a Reunion !!!
Hang in a little longer, our Rulebooks should be available very soon, and we'll officially put up the Website with all the poitinent infos.
Bob,is the name, W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: TerryW on March 17, 2009, 03:59:40 PM
Bob,
As of July, it was still open. My fiancee was there. She has also put a link  http://lta-lsr.com/HOME.htm on her webpage http://www.loringairforcebase.com/  She also included in the News section the information from blogspot: BIG NEWS!!

Loring Land Speed Racing - July 31st-August 2, 2009

The Loring Timing Association is bringing land speed racing to Loring AFB!
http://lta-lsr.com/HOME.htm

http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Land-Speed-Racing-Comes-to-Maine-for-2009.html

"Land Speed Racing Comes to Maine for 2009 By Brian Lohnes Posted 01/08/09

etc etc :cheers:


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on April 11, 2009, 03:43:35 PM
 Mostly for the benefit of those of you that aren't aware yet, this is the address   (below) for the Loring Timing Association and 
information for our event to be held in August this year.We recommend  reading  all
the info available, and we hope it answers enough  questions.  Pre
Registrations can be submitted now, or if you are  unfamiliar with Land Speed Racing
, you can first order a Rulebook which has  most of what info  you need to
prepare to attend and run your vehicle.
We will soon also add a Aerial based map picture of the site to familiarize
everybody with the facility.
We will also add a News icon for regular updates on available 
accommodations and dining facilities in the area.
Directions are also forthcoming .
In the meantime, have patience if we've forgotten anything or confused an 
issue, we will straighten it all out very shortly.
We thank all of you that kept the faith waiting and watching our  progress.
We again  openly thank our Mentors at The ECTA for their ongoing  help ,
this probably could not have been done without them. And if it's a  failure,
blame them. LOL.
Bob W, LTA,  Co Conspirator at Large
 http://www.lta-lsr.com/

 



Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on May 03, 2009, 07:35:33 PM
I'd just like to reiterate how the LTA would really appreciate if more entrants would pre register. It would help us gauge attendance so we would not be caught short on porta potties . Seriouslier, we really need to get the best idea possible, for volunteer recruiting, security issues, and all that non-racing stuff that has to be done.
The more stuff that's pretty-well planned for gives us more time to ourselves to maybe even race our own cars, which was the original point of this venture.
You save $25, get a head start on paperwork and tech, and endear yourselves to  the people working the registration center ( card table ? )
The only idea we have at this time is the thread on this list and the ones reserved rooms at the CARIBOU INN. (remember, mention the LTA racers discount when you call)
http://www.caribouinn.com/flash/
Thank You
Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Nosgsx1300 on July 17, 2009, 03:44:14 AM
As I have stated in the past
I will be heading up to volenteer thursday night and will arrive early friday morning I will be there till later monday evening

Tuesday or Wensday anyone driving up to the event that needs a rest/crashing/sleeping place about 7 hours from the venue, I live in Nashua NH and can put a few people up
also that thursday night I will be sleeping in my hunting cabin in LaGrange Maine(cue ZZTop soundtrack) about 2 1/2 hours from the venue and have  camping there if anyone is in need
e-mail me at homeygib@comcast.net if you are gonna take me up on it



Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on July 27, 2009, 08:50:54 PM
 Minor Updates

Our "AsphalTalks" Saturday night at the Caribou Inn will be BarSide as opposed to Poolside. Seems the pool area is super hot in summer as all the inside facing rooms ACs dump into that area and the ventilation is not up to removing the excess heat. I guess they designed it for the Maine Winter,only. The new location is located next to the lobby, or the bar.  Room for only 275, so come early. yeah, right.

Trying to gauge the weather a week in advance is not reliable, but we are keeping tabs ,especially late in the event. Rain Saturday, long day Sunday and vice versa.
 
Those of you still without rooms, keep checking the Caribou Inn for cancellations, there were three in the last week, according to the desk person I spoke with today.

Bob W


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 28, 2009, 07:46:25 AM
Here's a link to NOAA weather for Loring.  Looks pretty good as of right now -- 8.45 Tuesday morning.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Loring+AFB&state=ME&site=CAR&textField1=46.9404&textField2=-67.8948&e=0


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: relaxedfit on July 28, 2009, 07:14:21 PM
I'd like to congradulate everyone who will be making history this weekend and that's all of you. This event shows incredible work and commitment. Thanks to all of you spreading the love of LSR.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Bob Wanner on July 28, 2009, 07:31:16 PM
Thank You Ken,
I'm out of here 8ish tomw morn, any important questions ( with short answers ) do it now.
As you  Volunteers will be arriving at different times, hunt me down on the runway and we'll discuss what you are comfortable with, and then I'll assign you something entirely opposite.
I really seriously appreciate the different kind of volunteer at a first event like this, the possibility of being stuck someplace is more likely in this situation.
I'm really committed to making this as enjoyable for everybody, including non volunteers, or just a little help, or  the 24/7 dedicated LSR Good Guys. Everybody knows who they are, the perennial always there people, always with a smile .
We have cell phones, two different sets of radios, and I think optimistically enough people to run this with a good time to be had by all.
Bob Wanner , starting to exhale...


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: half-fast on July 28, 2009, 11:06:14 PM
Here's a link to NOAA weather for Loring.  Looks pretty good as of right now -- 8.45 Tuesday morning.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Loring+AFB&state=ME&site=CAR&textField1=46.9404&textField2=-67.8948&e=0

Slim I like this one better:

http://www.weather.com/outlook/events/sports/weekend/USME0216?from=sixten_topnav

notice Saturday is "Raceday outlook" and Sunday is "Car safey checklist" :cheers:


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 29, 2009, 07:19:45 AM
I usually avoid the commercial weather sites - because they're commercial, and because they carry ads -- which take time to load.  I want to see the weather, not what phone is on sale at AT&T and what blog has spent money to advertise, etc.

The NOAA weather site is my choice, and so that's the one I refer to when I can.  It doesn't have a few of the features that the comm'l ones have, though, and that's why we don't have NOAA weather on the home page of landracing.com - yet.  Soon, I hope.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: White Monster on July 29, 2009, 07:45:20 AM
Today's 10-day forecast for Limestone, ME:

Fri, Jul 31
Mostly Cloudy
High: 82
Low: 61
Rain: 10%
From SSW 9mph

Sat, Aug 1
Partly Cloudy
High: 80
Low: 58
Rain: 10%
From WNW 9mph

Sun, Aug 2
Partly Cloudy
High: 79
Low: 58
Rain: 20%
From W 7mph


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: tedgram on July 30, 2009, 05:26:18 AM
   It's starting to look like I will not be able to make this event. Last week we got hit by Lightening and being off the grid and being on battery power I had to buy a new inverter. That came yesterday and I will install it today.
   Tuesday my wife's car quit and my code reader got nothing from the ECU. The car had to be trucked 100 miles to the dealer. Yesterday they worked on it and are going to replace the coil packs and said they hoped that only the fuse was blow to the ECU, will get an update today. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Greg Williams on July 30, 2009, 09:53:46 AM
I just want to say hello to everyone, some may know me from a few of the mile events. I am looking forward to running at the Maine venue. Won't make it till Sunday.  Its taken a few years but I have shaken the hate everyone first attitude that came from 16 years of policing and being shot and so forth.

Getting back into Church has helped. Looking forward to making some new friends and of course going faster than I have before. Nevertheless best wishes to all.


Greg Williams


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: half-fast on July 30, 2009, 07:45:31 PM
Most recent forecast looks great for Sat & Sun, Hey to Greg, and tedgram sorry to hear the news.


Title: Re: Welcome to the LTA forum
Post by: Greg Williams on July 30, 2009, 08:52:27 PM
Most recent forecast looks great for Sat & Sun, Hey to Greg, and tedgram sorry to hear the news.
:cheers: