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El Mirage => El Mirage General Chat => Topic started by: willieworld on May 20, 2008, 02:29:18 PM
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At El Mirage on Saturday, since my starting number was number 9, I had an early run. It was a shakedown run because I had done some changes on my bike from last year.After my run I went back to the pits and dropped my bike off and picked up Sheri's and headed for the rookie lane. Sheri made her run and then we went back to the pits and waited for them to call 1-25. Later that day they called 1-25 we headed for the staging lanes. When we got to the staging lanes there must have been 60 or 70 people in the pre-stage lines and they all had real high start numbers, like above 100. At first I thought that they hadn't finished running everybody and they just called us early. So I walked up to the front of the line still in pre-stage and I saw Paula Burns, and she said she didn't know what all those people were doing in line that they were out of order. Her starting position was #8 and mine was #9. So she said that if I had only had one run to pass them up and get behind her,which I did.
When the pre stage line pulled forward to the staging lanes I realized that the staging lanes were empty. So we were almost at the front of the line, I think I was 2nd back. The lanes filled up right behind us with alot of vehicles with real high numbers, like above 100-150. Then after awhile they shut the race down for Saturday and they told everybody in line to come back Sunday morning and take their same positions, even though about 80% of them were out of turn.
Saturday night I heard that there was a controversy about the line jumping, but the SCTA let them all come back Sunday morning and run. Correct me if I'm wrong but the way I read the El Mirage procedures, there is a specific starting order and you can't start any sooner than first in your group. If you can't start at the end of your group you can start at the end of any group behind you. So the people that cut in line were rewarded with an early run and some of the people who worked very hard last year to get a early start time, had to stand in the sun extra couple of hours because of some line jumpers. My wifes number was 238 starting position. Because of the extra 80 cars in line or 70 or how ever more there were, it would have moved Sheri's second pass to late afternoon in a regular lane. So we just decided to stay in the rookie lane to try to get an early run to avoid the heat. Although we thought that if we ran in a regular lane we thought that probably we could set the record.Which she almost did. She ran 106.173 on a 107.00 record.
My point is, how can somebody jump the line and move up 75 to 100 positions, when it is specifically against the rules. I think the minimum thing that should happen is that they wouldn't get a time ticket. And that run should count as one of their runs.
If we are going to have rules, lets enforce them. If we are not, I'll just show up two days before and get in the front of the line.
Just some thoughts.
Willie Buchta
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Willie
I think this is an issue that needs to go to the SCTA Reps. meeting. There are not a lot of El Mirage racers on this site. Get a hold of Bob or Dan Chilson and see what they say. The person assigned to the pre stage area has control of what group is called up and should go by the starting position for that group of numbers unless of a no show and then they can move up.
Glen
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Willie,
Late Sat. as I remember, I heard a call on the CB for any racer who wanted a second run to get in line, regardless of starting number. So, I got in line. When racing was called for the day we were told to get back in line behind the same person we were behind at the time.. So, the way I see it I didn't cut in line. Besides the line steward is too big to argue with...
But, if you want to talk about the guys I saw bring an inspection sticker from another bike and put it on one in the staging lane, lets have that discussion!!! :-o
Larry
Oh Willie, I forgot to add, you are there 2 days before...LOL Congratulations to both of you on your runs... :-D
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I didn't hear anything on the radio about if anybody wants to run second round get in line. But if that did happen, it wouldn't be the racers fault it would be the line steward and announcers fault. I did hear if anybody wants to run a fourth round get in line, but that was on Sunday.
And as far as somebody putting a tag off one bike to another bike, that would be cheating. But I think that if they were going to do that they would be smart enough to do it before tech inspection, not up on the line where everybody could see them. I'm not sure what the penalty is for cheating, but in my opinion it should be lifetime suspension. From the SCTA, the club you are in, and the BNI.If the person that you are talking about set a record or not,you should have brought it to an officials attention at that time. If you didn't, you should now. If I would have seen them doing it I would have told someone or at least questioned them about why they were doing that.
When I rebuilt my bike during the off season, my wife sandblasted my frame tag. At the May meet I filled out an application for a new one. I had Doug sign and date my frame. So when the new tag comes with the old number I can put it back on the frame. When I do that, I will put it over Doug's name with Doug watching. If Doug is not in tech, than I will have Tom watch me. This way there is no suspicion of inpropriety.
Willie Buchta
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Willie,
Wrong sticker. I was talking about the orange meet sticker. I also felt saying anything was a no win situation for me. :?
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Willie and Larry,
Like Glen said, what you experienced must be brought up to your club so that this doesn't happen again. I did not get to the races until Sunday morning, but I got an ear full on how the starting line numbers were not adhered to. That is all I will say on that issue until I find out some facts.
Larry, as far as someone changing stickers on bikes, what exactly happened or took place. We need to know so we can address the problem.
Tom G.
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It's funny that when Willie wants to be heard, he uses capital letters and punctuation. Perhaps he has a ghost writer and the rest of his promotions don't count?
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The run order at the start of the event is always 1-25.
After that the lineup is on the honor system.
The rookie line doesn't have a starting number so after 1-25 they run at the starters discretion, and that is always ahead of where they would normally run (dead last).
When the call is made for 26-50 and onward during the first round, I think it's up to the staging lane official (the guy who sits in the back of the staging lines with the shoe polish) to turn away anyone that has a higher number. (And why would you have some one stationed there for any other reason?) The number has to be in shoe polish on the front window of the push vehicle and circled along with the vehicle number below it. I'm not sure if that is strictly enforced. I was looking for numbers all day and saw a bunch that didn't have it.
The starter marks the inspection sticker to denote that a run has been made so that you can't make a second run until all the first round vehicles have had a chance to run. Yeah, I suppose somebody could swap stickers. If you see it, report it!
In the afternoon that careful consideration goes away. The call was made for everybody that had not made a first run to come to the staging lines. That call was made three times over the CB and 4 times over the PA/FM on Saturday. I was doing the announcing so I have that on good authority. Somebody in your crew has to pay close attention to the CB for everything they say. The PA/FM is only a backup.
Not everybody makes a second pass so the call was made for 1-25, almost immediately for 26-50 and not very long after for 51 and everybody else. Run order doesn't seem to be a priority. If it is a priority, and it should be, take it up with your club representative. The difference would be when you ran, not if. The second round that was started Saturday was picked up Sunday.
Picking up where they started the next day on a two day event is normal. The chaos over how to do that kind of surprised me. That was the first time I was involved with that and nobody had a good idea how that was going to get done. Somebody said keep track of the vehicle in front of you and behind you and that was that. They couldn't leave the line where it was because the shut down at 3:30 was to move the course, and that meant moving everybody.
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The run order at the start of the event is always 1-25.
After that the lineup is on the honor system.
The rookie line doesn't have a starting number so after 1-25 they run at the starters discretion, and that is always ahead of where they would normally run (dead last).
When the call is made for 26-50 and onward during the first round, I think it's up to the staging lane official (the guy who sits in the back of the staging lines with the shoe polish) to turn away anyone that has a higher number. (And why would you have some one stationed there for any other reason?) The number has to be in shoe polish on the front window of the push vehicle and circled along with the vehicle number below it. I'm not sure if that is strictly enforced. I was looking for numbers all day and saw a bunch that didn't have it.
The starter marks the inspection sticker to denote that a run has been made so that you can't make a second run until all the first round vehicles have had a chance to run. Yeah, I suppose somebody could swap stickers. If you see it, report it!
In the afternoon that careful consideration goes away. The call was made for everybody that had not made a first run to come to the staging lines. That call was made three times over the CB and 4 times over the PA/FM on Saturday. I was doing the announcing so I have that on good authority. Somebody in your crew has to pay close attention to the CB for everything they say. The PA/FM is only a backup.
Not everybody makes a second pass so the call was made for 1-25, almost immediately for 26-50 and not very long after for 51 and everybody else. Run order doesn't seem to be a priority. If it is a priority, and it should be, take it up with your club representative. The difference would be when you ran, not if. The second round that was started Saturday was picked up Sunday.
Picking up where they started the next day on a two day event is normal. The chaos over how to do that kind of surprised me. That was the first time I was involved with that and nobody had a good idea how that was going to get done. Somebody said keep track of the vehicle in front of you and behind you and that was that. They couldn't leave the line where it was because the shut down at 3:30 was to move the course, and that meant moving everybody.
So you were the guy in the trailer holding the microphone.........
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stan back im not sure what you ment--i dont write so good or spell that good either --when i have a long letter to write i let my wife sheri do it as she types faster it would take me to long --im hopeing that wasnt a shot because of my typing skills its hard to tell sometimes when i read something --just trying to write what i saw willie buchta
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Dean is right on. We had the CB on in the Pits and after the first round heard the call for the first 2 groups for the second round, then the open call for anyone that wanted to make their second round run. Kind of a strange way of doing it since on Sunday the second round ran in the order you staged. Then the third round went back to calling up groups again.
Tom
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some one screwed up --there is a order until everyone has one run then it starts all over and over -whoever doesnt think so needs to read the rules willie buchta
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The call was made for everybody that had not made a first run to come to the staging lines. That call was made three times over the CB and 4 times over the PA/FM on Saturday. I was doing the announcing so I have that on good authority. Somebody in your crew has to pay close attention to the CB for everything they say. The PA/FM is only a backup.
Not everybody makes a second pass so the call was made for 1-25, almost immediately for 26-50 and not very long after for 51 and everybody else.
I would say the person at fault would be the person who OK-ed the calling sequence for "51 and everybody else". The sequence of 25 numbers at a time should have been adhered to IMO.
Tom G.
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Well here is how the June starting line position should look... :-D
Vehicle Engine Body Entry Name Club Driver/Rider Speed Record Pts
4949B 50CC SCS-BF Buddfab Streamliner SDRC Eric Noyes 108.005 69.000 264
1B 1650CC SC-BG Noonan / Moreland / Derwin SDRC John Noonan 209.441 173.000 261
7601B 250CC SC-BG Team McLeish TZ Gear Grinders Derek McLeish 134.578 108.000 251
539B 1350CC A-BG Noonan / Derwin Racing SDRC John Noonan 223.331 206.761 241
2132 G BGCC Hondata RSX Rod Riders Doug Macmillan 173.265 160.000 238
570 G BFMR Bud Free Gear Grinders Bud Free 172.958 160.000 237
493 H BGRMR Moreland Noonan Lux SDRC Bob Moreland 185.197 174.588 235
534 V4F STR Rocket Science '34 Milers Jim Jard 109.266 99.671 234
664 C GL Kelly & Hall Racing Eliminators Paul Kelly 219.691 210.592 234
2 H GR Eyres Morel and Noonan SDRC Russ Eyres 144.085 135.414 233
9B 1000CC SC-PG Willie Buchta Gear Grinders Willie Buchta 132.280 124.942 232
760 I GL Team McLeish Bros Gear Grinders Derek McLeish 160.236 152.346 232
2111 G P/MP White Goose Bar Racing Sidewinders Mike Manghelli 117.215 110.000 232
686 F GMR Nelson and Nelson Super Fours Keith Nelson 176.986 170.089 231
5154B 1000CC APS-PG Teamsubtlecrowbar SDRC Bill Ross 157.953 151.000 231
1934 E BSTR Shaen Magan Milers Shaen Magan 186.542 181.647 230
32 V4F BFR Harold Johansen Sidewinders Bill Lattin 129.372 125.000 229
635 B GMR Salty Dogs Racing GoldCstRdsts John Rank 223.269 218.594 229
6880B 1350CC A-BF Scott McLeod Gear Grinders Scott McLeod (2) 214.197 209.888 229
126 C CPRO Cohn Jucewic Monza Sidewinders Bob Jucewic 201.746 198.278 228
831 V4 GR Spirit of San Diego SDRC Scott Goetz 156.235 152.543 228
203 H GR Burns - Callaway - Spring HiDsrtRcrs Paula Burns 136.608 135.414 226
752 XXF FMR Ferguson Racing Rod Riders Don Ferguson Jr. 204.157 202.440 226
915B 250CC P-P Mercury Gear Grinders Mark Anderson 133.913 131.980 226
6060 K GL Poison Arrow Eliminators Michele Brading 122.210 121.521 226
2555 F P/MP Thomas & Buchele Flying Red Brick Sidewinders 123.834 123.170 225
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Damn -- I just wrote a reply and posted it and it disappeard.
My god it was brilliant -- and now to reconstruct it . . .
Willie -- You're right.
Your earned number should count for something if not just a shorter wait in line.
But for the first time in a long time, a 2-day meet netted more than 2 total runs per entrant. And on Saturday, after the Emmons plow job in the first round, it really didn't matter too much when you ran, except for the longer wait in line.
We get what we pay for. But fortunately, the SCTA is the finest all-volunteeer organization that I've ever seen. Kiss, kiss -- but I still pay my dues, just like you.
I'm sure the powers that be have heard of the disappointment you've experienced and will address it as best they can.
Stan Back
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What burns me is the statments about people changing inspection stickers from one vehicle to another, I guess for better run position. Did anybody learn from the John Noonan episode?
If you guys are going to cover up for each other and not report an incident of this type do not expect the board to do anything. If they do not know of the swap then a penalty cannot be applied.
DW
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stan back nothing that happened had a effect on me i try to get an early start number and put all my effort in my first pass that didnt work had to make 2 on sat to get the record it didnt effect sheri either she made 3 passes from the rookie lane and ran within 1 mph of the record couldnt of been happier i just dont do that heat too well neither does sheri we both take blood thiners and arnt to be in the sun LOL --we try very hard to get an early start because of that not because of the points championship ---maybe if i type more i will get better and be better understood its good to see posting in elmirage chat --and you are right also we had a noisy generator in camp and i dont think i heard the announcment willie buchta
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What burns me is the statments about people changing inspection stickers from one vehicle to another, I guess for better run position. Did anybody learn from the John Noonan episode?
If you guys are going to cover up for each other and not report an incident of this type do not expect the board to do anything. If they do not know of the swap then a penalty cannot be applied.
DW
DW,
Yes Learned no matter how Cool/Fast you are you must follow the rules or pay the price! :oops:! I was the 1st Rookie racer to run in the second round because I was on the #1 Points/Championship Bike/side car of John Noonan's!I waited over 3 Hour's in a WIDE OPEN Rookie line for Fear of Jump Line and gettingh John,My Club or Myself in any trouble :mrgreen:! I AKED DW,TOM,JIM,and any other official and they said wait[and I did for 3hour's for my rookie run on the #1bike] in the 2nd round!I hope I didn't offened anyone any got sighned permission before I ever made a Move .Hope I'm not who your talking about Willie as I waited as long as possible" even though I was registered right under john in registration on his bike as aback up rider"since my loaner bike never showed :cry:" it was great to meet you and Sheri" hoprfully my ride will be ready in 32 days?
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What burns me is the statments about people changing inspection stickers from one vehicle to another, I guess for better run position. Did anybody learn from the John Noonan episode?
If you guys are going to cover up for each other and not report an incident of this type do not expect the board to do anything. If they do not know of the swap then a penalty cannot be applied.
DW
DW,
Yes Learned no matter how Cool/Fast you are you must follow the rules or pay the price! :oops:! I was the 1st Rookie racer to run in the second round because I was on the #1 Points/Championship Bike/side car of John Noonan's!I waited over 3 Hour's in a WIDE OPEN Rookie line for Fear of Jump Line and gettingh John,My Club or Myself in any trouble :mrgreen:! I AKED DW,TOM,JIM,and any other official and they said wait[and I did for 3hour's for my rookie run on the #1bike] in the 2nd round!I hope I didn't offened anyone any got sighned permission before I ever made a Move .Hope I'm not who your talking about Willie as I waited as long as possible" even though I was registered right under john in registration on his bike as aback up rider"since my loaner bike never showed :cry:" it was great to meet you and Sheri" hoprfully my ride will be ready in 32 days?
Kaz, doesn't sound like you did anything wrong at all so I wouldn't worry about it.
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Kaz relax it's not you...and better yet it's not me either..
J
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kaz nice to meet you too --in the rookie lane you can line up by your start number but i think its pretty much first come first serve --thats how it was when i went through and this last race when sheri went up we just got at the end of the line--i did learn too late though if you wait for all the rookies to run and then get in line the starter will run you sooner and the wait in line wont be as long although when its not too hot i like waiting in line and looking at all the bikes and talking to all the people --i went through rookie or----- with sheri and there were a lot of rookies -- nice to have meet you willie buchta
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Willie,
Can you describe the vehicles that were "jumping" in line or switching inspection decals? ?
J
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The starters just mark off the runs by a slash mark on the inspection sticker. Do they now have to check the vehicle # and start position? Probably, but the racer is responsible, or should be..................
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Willie,
Your rookie lane strategy may have backfired on you. If Sheri had set the record on her third pass it would have been denied, no records from the rookie lane. See the El Mirage Procedure manual, sorry I don't have the page and section available right here.
DW
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i did not say that anyone switched a sticker and i guess if the announcer called them up and the line steward let them pass then technecally they didnt jump line --but someone screwed up and going by the rules that shouldnt of happened willie buchta dan i told her not to run over the record but to save it for june and she always listens
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in the rookie lane you can line up by your start number but i think its pretty much first come first serve
The rookie lane is first come, first served. Your actual run number of 200+ doesn't matter.
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sheri had never ridden a bike before except at el mirage --i thought that she should of stayed in the rookie lane as long as possible her safety is way more important to me than any record and you can bet all of this will be brought up at my next club meeting thank you all for all of your imput see you in june willie buchta
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Is there still a 200mph lane? If so when do those guys get to run, I don't believe they go by their # position because the SCTA doesn't want them running their high horsepower vehicles for their first pass on a loose track late in the day. It's been a while for us so things might have changed?
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Kaz relax it's not you...and better yet it's not me either..
J
Thank God Worlds Fastest :oops:!
The last thing I want to do is mess up anything for You My Big Racing Brother :mrgreen:!
Now Maybe you might give me another chance to get myself in the Cool A$$ 200mph Club You Brought me too? :|
I'm not sure the V-rod's gonna do it without allot of Serious HELP,but That Busa of Your's {EITHER ONE :-D}was everything you said{HE'S ALWAYS RIGHT :x!},and a True Honor and Privilege to ride/race even a 64mph :cry:!Your a True Friend and I want a rematch Arm wrestling"The Feeling is just starting to come back to that shoulder :-P."
Now if Anyone needs a A LICENSE Rider/Racer for next meet? I'm ready and Able "Just no Bike and a little $$ left",but other then that I'm ready to go :evil:!
Thank you again John and Michelle,and the Rest of the SDRC{Bob M. is my new Hero :evil:} as well as all the other Great Racer's and Crew's I got to meet!
Willie and Sheri you two are Awesome even if you have Pushrods :-D
DW,
Did you get all my info you asked for in the e-mail I sent you today?{He ran out of New Licenses during the event} so he said to just e-mail him and he'll send me a new one in the Mail 8-)!!!
So i'm just making sure I did that right too :mrgreen:........
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in the rookie lane you can line up by your start number but i think its pretty much first come first serve
The rookie lane is first come, first served. Your actual run number of 200+ doesn't matter.
I was riding the #1 Bike and it had made it''s 1st run and round one went from 148 to 278 from 1 day to the next"I sighned up Friday,but as a back up rider as my bike could'nt make it :oops:!So John let me ride his Baby,but I had to wait for 1st round to finish even from the rookie line :|
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We were in the rookie line on Saturday waiting to make a second run when it was announced that they were shutting down to move the course. The announcer said we should note who is in front of you and get behind them on Sunday. Our Sunday morning time slip said 8:32 am so we must have got to the line around 8:15 am. When we drove into the rookie line it was empty (literally). We drove straight to the line and unloaded. Dave suited up and ran. 20 minutes max. from entering the rookie line to running. Mark was in line and asked me if I could tow him back as his "retriever" had'nt shown up yet. I said sure and asked the guy behind if he didn't me cutting in as I was towing Mark back. His reply was "No problem". All I saw was orderly friendly people. More or less as always.
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Just my $.02:
First of all, IMHO, SCTA truly is the best run volunteer based organizations I have ever seen. In saying that, are there some improvements which can be made to some of the procedures on the lakebed or on the salt? Probably.
Willie has voiced a valid concern. There was quite a bit of confusion in pre-stage on Saturday afternoon for the second run. I think that the position of the pits for the first meet, which is pretty much unavoidable, along with someone’s poor motorhome/trailer parking contributed to the traffic confines of the pre-stage area. Even if the line steward was as vigilant as they could be, there was cross-pit traffic, groups of motorcycles and other spectators, participants, and a gajillion other people all trying to pass through a 40' wide opening that was at an intersection of a pit row, and the area leading up to the line steward and the starting line cones. Even if your starting number was 1-25, you could not have come from the pits and gotten near the front of the pre-stage line in your assigned order, as Willie experienced, unless you got there way before 1st runs had officially ended. I think we got in line, with starting number 8, at least and hour before they exhausted the 1st run vehicles. Adding to the confusion is the fact that not everyone from the first group’s run order is going to make a second pass. So there could be a big gap in the starting position numbers at pre-stage. I think that the restricted area of pre-stage and the poor park job of one motor-home and trailer, and the fact that those of us that want to make a 2nd run have a tendancy to hover at pre-stage in the hopes of a second run were among the problems this last Saturday.
I do think that there could be some improvement(s) or modifications to the procedure that lets the starting groups into staging, but that would require a very strict line steward. A thankless job I would never want because of the flack you would undoubtedly get from people that think they should be next in line. But, first of all, aren't we all grown ups and shouldn’t we be able to tell what number comes first?
As far as the line-up tracking from Saturday night to Sunday morning when they move the course, maybe the line steward or perhaps the starters should take down the vehicle numbers of the cars and bikes as they stand when they call the meet. Then they can be checked off in that order on Sunday morning.
These are items that should be addressed with your clubs and at the Board meeting coming up on the 30th. I would like to send a big thanks to all the volunteers this past weekend, it was a hot, VERY HOT weekend, and you all made it possible for us to go out and have fun.
Paula Burns
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We were in the rookie line on Saturday waiting to make a second run when it was announced that they were shutting down to move the course. The announcer said we should note who is in front of you and get behind them on Sunday. Our Sunday morning time slip said 8:32 am so we must have got to the line around 8:15 am. When we drove into the rookie line it was empty (literally). We drove straight to the line and unloaded. Dave suited up and ran. 20 minutes max. from entering the rookie line to running. Mark was in line and asked me if I could tow him back as his "retriever" had'nt shown up yet. I said sure and asked the guy behind if he didn't me cutting in as I was towing Mark back. His reply was "No problem". All I saw was orderly friendly people. More or less as always.
Bill, was Mark expecting me/Keri to be his chase on Sunday or was he referring to somebody else? I would hate to have dropped a ball after he was kind enough to haul the Busa home for me.
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Several year lurker, first time poster. I'll do an introduction later.
I think another problem with the pre-stage cluster bomb is the lack of communication over the CB. We listen very diligently for our start group numbers, but sometimes it can be missed. When we're tuning our race vehicles in the pits hearing the CB is out of the question. We got on the CB and very politely asked which start numbers are staging 6 times over the course of 5 minutes with no response. We're always very careful to not cut in on the CB when there is a vehicle on the course. It seems the only time we can get a response on the CB is when we have one of the women in our camp ask the questions. It'd be nice if start group numbers were periodically called out over the CB. That'll help eliminate any confusion about who should be in the pre-stage area.
Mike Schuricht
#997
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We pitted fairly close to the pre-stage lanes and I would periodically walk out and see what numbers were being released to the staging lanes. Some push/tow vehicles didn't have numbers on their windshields.
Maybe the line steward should not let those vehicles pass without a visible number. They may already be doing that.
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From the 2008 El Mirage Dry Lake Land Speed Racing Procedures:
VII. Race Procedures
A. Line Up/Starting Position Procedure
1. Starting Position and Number Assignment – First Meet of the Season
Starting positions at the first El Mirage meet will be the same as competitor’s previous year El
Mirage points standings. A list will be posted at registration.
All competitors without previous year points standing will be assigned starting position numbers
in the order of their registration, but behind the previous year entrants.
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2. Starting Positions and Number Assignment – After First Meet
The points accrued at the first meet of the season determine starting positions for the next meet.
Accumulated points will determine subsequent starting positions. If any entrants are tied in the
points standing, the fastest entrant from the previous meet will run first.
3. Line Stewards
To assist the line steward and orderly lineup by participants, all race vehicles shall indicate their
start position number either on the race vehicle or push vehicle windshield. This is best done using
a white shoe polish which is available at the registration trailer. Please be sure to draw a circle
around the start number.
4. Position and Placement Disputes
All such disputes will be resolved as they occur by the Starting Line Stewards.
B. Starting Lanes Description and Assignment
Four lanes will be used for race vehicle starting line up, the lanes being numbered from left to right,
looking down the course.
1. Lane One (from left)
For entrants that have previously run over 200 MPH in their class at El Mirage for which they are
currently competing and the record in that class, or established minimum, is over 200 MPH. Also,
each driver must possess at least a current class ‘A’ license.
All new 200+ MPH vehicles must qualify for the 200 MPH lane, as defined in
this section.
If entrant has a strong reason to believe race vehicle will exceed 200 MPH in its
new class, entrant may petition the Race Director, who in his judgment may grant
a waiver from this requirement.
Prior to the first run of the day from Lane One, starting positions in Lane One are
based on points standings. After the first vehicle has run from any lane, 200
MPH vehicles not already staged in Lane One will be entitled to use Lane One
only on a first-come basis. The same procedure will apply to all subsequent
rounds.
Entrant qualified to use the 200 MPH lane shall restage for any additional run(s)
only after ALL race vehicles have made one run.
If a previously qualified 200 MPH lane vehicle subsequently changes class,
entrant must re-qualify race vehicle in lane 2 or 3 at over 200 MPH.
Changing starting lanes is NOT allowed. A 200 MPH lane qualified vehicle may
run in any starting lane the entrant chooses, BUT must run in the same lane the
entire meet. Jumping between the #1, 2, and 3 lanes to gain advantage will not be
permitted.
Entrants running from the 200 MPH line when not qualified are not eligible for
records or points.
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2. Lane Two
Odd-numbered entrants starting position (i.e., 1,3,5,7, etc.)
3. Lane Three
Even-numbered entrants starting position (i.e., 2,4,6,8, etc.)
Note – Line stewards may vary odd-even sequence to keep lines even.
4. Lane Four
Initial run(s) of new/rookie drivers obtaining the SCTA competition licenses ONLY. No records
may be set from the rookie lane. Only DRIVERS are rookies. There are no “Rookie Vehicles”.
C. Staging – First Group
Entrants numbered 1 through 25 will line up, with odd starting position numbers in the second lane and
even starting position numbers in the third lane. NOTE – No vehicle may be pushed/bump-started in the
staging or pre-staging areas.
1. Pre-Staging Next Starting Group
When all starting lanes contain a total of approximately 15 vehicles, entrants 26 through 50 will be
called from pre-stage into the starting lanes. The same procedure will be followed for all other
entry groups, i.e., 51-75, 76-100, etc.
2. Pre-Staging Operations and Assignments
If your entry isn’t pre-staged in the correct number order in your group, you may run at the back of
your number group. If a later sequence group has finished pre-staging and is starting to move
ahead into the staging lanes, you will stage at the end of the group. You may trade your starting
positions in your number group.
3. Running Order after a Halted Meet is Restarted
When a meet is halted for any period of time, for any reason, whether to move the course,
or to deal with an incident, or for weather reasons, the following shall apply: Upon
resumption of racing, the meet will restart in the exact running order where it was left off.
All lanes will be open and running in their regular manner. Furthermore, during a multi
day race meet, when racing is concluded at the end of the first day, it shall be resumed the
following day according to the above rule
Pretty much covers everything. If anyone gets past the lane steward without a shoe polish number, feel free to point it out. They should automatically get the last starting number. The only way to verify the starting number is to check the entry number against the points position. You could otherwise have a starting number of 192 and write 52 (Oops! My mistake!) The entrant writes the number, in case you were wondering.
It was very clearly mentioned at the drivers meeting that shoe polish numbers would be required on all push vehicles. In fact, I heard somebody say they were going to get the shoe polish to make sure it was available.
Feel free to volunteer to be lane steward!
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Several year lurker, first time poster. I'll do an introduction later.
I think another problem with the pre-stage cluster bomb is the lack of communication over the CB.
Mike Schuricht
#997
Mike,
I have better luck hearing the starting line numbers when I listen to the FM Broadcast on the Radio. A suggestion might be that the Announcer should say what the starting line numbers are every 10 minutes for the pre-stage area.
Tom G.
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the little orange tag that you get when you pay has your start position and your bike number on it and you are required to put it on your vehicle --very easy to check unless someone changed theirs in whitch case it wouldnt match the number on there bike or car ---look we all have to work our way up the ranks--we all started in the rookie lane --we all start with a state drivers license --and i dont think it takes a rocket scientist to keep the lines straight and in order could be wrong though its happened before willie buchta
i think what would make it easy is if everyone waited until there number group was called to go to pre-stage ---pretty simple
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I forgot about the starting number on the tag. The next time you see somebody without a windshield number do us a favor and steer them to the line steward for some shoe polish.
The starter should also check for push truck numbers and not allow them to run.
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There were 175 runs in 7 hours on Saturday. A vehicle every 2.5 minutes.
Son-of-a-gun if that isn't 25 runs per hour.
If we start at 8:30 then 25-50 starts at 9:30, 51-75 starts at 10:30
25 runs per hour. How hard can it be to figure out when you are going to run?
It's amazing how many entrants have no idea where we are in the run order.
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There were 175 runs in 7 hours on Saturday. A vehicle every 2.5 minutes.
Son-of-a-gun if that isn't 25 runs per hour.
If we start at 8:30 then 25-50 starts at 9:30, 51-75 starts at 10:30
25 runs per hour. How hard can it be to figure out when you are going to run?
It's amazing how many entrants have no idea where we are in the run order.
Dean I was number 179 and I ran at 12 noon on Saturday.
Scott
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A simple sign at the entrance to the staging lanes with the current starting numbers(ie 1-25) would be simple and self policing.
This would cut down on the 5 times i asked the line steward what number he was at.
It is slightly confusing if you are looking at the numbers in staging as the rookies can line up in any order and after the first 200mph vehicle runs its first come first served for the 2 line. You will see many different starting numbers mixed in line throughout the day and nobody is jumping the line.
Another thing i noticed was if you missed your round due to maitenance etc. you would line up with the next group. this gives the impression that the properly lined up vehicles are infront of the guy who missed his call.
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Dean - Interesting theory but there's no way you can determine start numbers by time of day. Between vehicle spins, turnouts to the right, timing light issues and who knows what else, the time between rounds varies greatly. The more often the start numbers are mentioned the more informed the racers will be. A sign at the line steward EZ-Up would be a great idea. That way we can drive by and check on the number without bothering the steward or making noise on the CB.
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We pitted fairly close to the pre-stage lanes and I would periodically walk out and see what numbers were being released to the staging lanes. Some push/tow vehicles didn't have numbers on their windshields.
Maybe the line steward should not let those vehicles pass without a visible number. They may already be doing that.
We went into line with no number on the windshield and were very quickly confronted(in a nice way) by the line steward. He had shoe polish and put our number on the windshield for us.
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A simple sign at the entrance to the staging lanes with the current starting numbers(ie 1-25) would be simple and self policing.
This is a great idea! I asked him 3-4 times.......I bet he got bothered all day both days.
Scott
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I'll volunteer to supply a small white board, eraser, pens and a way to hang it off the steward's EZ-Up. I'll bring it to the July meet. I'll take it home after each meet so they don't have to worry about storing it or keeping track of it.
Mike Schuricht
#997
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Er. I meant I'll bring it to the June meet. :-D
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I have what seems a simple question ( I am the most qualified for those :-D)
Regarding the "line jumping" is this something new and did anyone else have a problem or is this just what one person saw or encountered?
Also Willie how is Sheri's leg after your mishap towing? Hope she and the hot rod are alright.
John
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I have what seems a simple question ( I am the most qualified for those :-D)
Regarding the "line jumping" is this something new and did anyone else have a problem or is this just what one person saw or encountered?
Also Willie how is Sheri's leg after your mishap towing? Hope she and the hot rod are alright.
John
Well I can say for a fact that on Sunday the cars and bikes were no where close to being in the same order as they were when the meet was called on Saturday. I heard a few people say the words Cluster #@*%. Unforunately there were three or four of us who were trying to be honest and stay in the back until everyone who was "suppose" to be in front of us, it really didn't help us none as people kept coming and we were not sure who was in line the day prior. After all of the people who got staged for there second round were in place, racers started filling up the lines behind us and past pre-stage. While I coulnd't put a name to a car or even remember any of the vehicles, I know most of them if not most did not have starting numbers 1-25.
Scott
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thanks for asking john shes ok although i think she should qualify for bruise of the meet
she got to far over to the left and a little slack and she just went over
thanks for asking heres a pic
willie buchta
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DAM!! :-o That looks like it hurts! :-(