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Bonneville Motorcycle Speed Trials => Bville Motorcycle Speed Trials General Chat => Topic started by: aswracing on September 02, 2007, 11:18:57 PM
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Greetings from my room at the Stateline ;)
It's a good event, a nice sized turnout. This event gets bigger every year.
We pulled in yesterday at 1:30 or so and the closest trackside spot was probably a quarter mile from the the tech/registration/impound area. Second row was only fractionally closer. Third row didn't appear to me to have enough room for a truck/trailer setup. So a quarter mile away we parked.
Registration was only open for pre-entries, so we did that, it went quickly, and then got tech'ed, which was also painless. We were sipping Fat Tire well before 4:00. Denis cleared the salt about 5:00 though.
Rick at ERC wasn't open for business on Saturday, so we pushed the gas class bike down to him this morning, only to learn he wasn't going to open until 10:30. Pushed it all the way back. Rider's meeting was at 11:00, so shortly before that we just took the truck & trailer down to the fuel truck figuring we'd get fuel, attend the meeting, get in line, and go. But there was a long line to get fuel. We were in that line probably a couple hours.
So finally we get in line, and despite the separate course for the RWB's, we were in it most of the day. We finally got to go about 3:00.
We staged both bikes at the 2 mile (a 1350 M-PG bike and a 2000 MPS-PF bike). Sent the gas bike with my wife Susan riding, then the fuel bike with me onboard.
The gas bike has run 167ish multiple times, but she only managed 158. When I talked to her, she described lots and lots of wheelspin. Said it was in the limiter easily and moving around a lot.
On the fuel bike, well, it was a handful keeping it hooked up and going straight. Several times I had to back out of the throttle ever so gently just to keep control. Then I'd roll back into it until it scared me again. About halfway through the timed mile I had a big gust of wind that moved me over. I had to back out a bit and counter steer and give it some english and roll back in.
Anyway, I went through with a 203.8. I had a conservative tune in the bike and really had it set up for a 210ish speed. So the conditions didn't kill me all that much. I have to admit, though, I was a bit surprised by the conditions, after the all the talk about the course being fine. The pits are absolute mush. It's a mess. The drive between the boat ramp and the pits is rough and slow and much of it is wet. The course is smooth but there's just no bite.
So after we met up again at the 7 and got all loaded up, we had to make some decisions. Both of us actually qualified on our records, despite being well below the capabilities. Susan's class record was 146 something and my class is open.
But we were short on time, with a scheduled 5:00 shut down. Turning around the fuel bike is complicated and time consuming, it needs an oil change and refueling (nitro). The gas bike is relatively straightforward. So we talked about it on the way to impound and decided we'd run the gas bike only, and maybe park the fuel bike for a few days until the course improves.
We checked in at impound and then moved some ballast from the fuel bike over to the gas bike, hoping that'd help her get some more bite. I really didn't want to move to a taller gear, the bike was already a handful, I wanted to get it to hook up instead.
We got sent back to the 7 mile at about a quarter to five for backup passes. A storm was brewing in Wendover, we could see it, and it was getting windy. She returned into a 21mph head wind according to the time slip and could only muster 150. But the wheelspin was much better. Anyway, the average was 154, so we put it in the bank, pending a tear down which we'll do at the end of the event.
So we're going to screw around with the gas bike for a few days. It should go much faster. I'd like to get some good non-wind influenced data before deciding on a gear change or whatever. But there's much more in it.
Then if the course gets any better, maybe bring out the nitro bike again on Thursday or Friday, maybe even put some more juice to it.
I have lots of pics but no way to upload them. Long story.
I'll try to report in daily and give a little update if anyone is interested.
I didn't get a lot of other people's times because they're only read off periodically, but I did notice Jason turned a 223 on his first pass, and I believe that was unfaired. He must be hooking it up a lot better than me.
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Thanks for the report Aaron, I am on the other side of the spectrum at the moment.. So good to hear some reports... Ive have changed thumbs up my ass waiting on my Haltech ECU... Wiped chassis down about 3 times, lubed chain about 7 times, cleaned rims a few more times, and go by a kick the wheels a few times... Just waiting on the part...We hope to be there Late Tuesday night in hopes to get a run in on Wednesday...
Jon
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A big thank you for the Bub Report :-D We plan on driving up on Tues and watching, visiting and learning. Hope things continue to improve for everyone and that Jon gets his parts and can join in the fun.
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We'll be pulling for you, Jon.
Sorry I can't give real reports with results like Jon, just not enough time, with running 2 bikes. But I'll at least try to check in with what's happening with us.
I went to the Econo Lodge and uploaded pics, here's a few:
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/dickey.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/mpf2000.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/visionone.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/visiononeengine.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/visionone2.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/sprint2.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/disckeypitbike.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/triumph.jpg)
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Thanks for the update Aaron, I am pulling for you guys to do well. Please tell Dan I said hello and thanks for all of the tech support.
Scott
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Thanks, Scott, and I'll tell him.
A few more:
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/zbrr.jpg)
An XBRR (factory Buell race bike)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/DSCF1571.JPG)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/vmax.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/gates1.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/xb.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/sprint1.jpg)
How many here know what this is?
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/grays2.jpg)
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Just one more ...
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/memory.jpg)
I started land speed racing in 2000, as part of the collective effort known as "Team Elves".
Since we started, these are the members and supporters of Team Elves that we've lost.
Hans Idzerda was a fine Dutch gentleman and good friend who recently lost his battle with cancer. God Speed, Hans.
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Great pics Aaron! I also wanted to thank you for pulling those pistons out of your bike so we could get mine going, thank you! I finished the motor today with the exception of a few small things.
Scott
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Thanks for the report and pics,Aaron.Hope you guys get some decent runs in. I am having withdrawals.
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I have heard from a few on the salt that Jason McVicar has the conventional (naked) top speed at 223 and the sit on top speed at 241. Again, that is nothing official.
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Thanks Aaron. I think I've finally cried myself dry over my broken motor. Keep an eye open for Panchop and the Dead Jesters. He's running an old Kawi, APS-BG 1K, with a drag bike fairing. #492. His first season, might need a word of encouragement.
Big congrats. to Jason, he's fast!!
When and if, time allows, (stay focused)...more reports, please. Tell Susan hi.
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Ack Attack streamliner pencil rolls during a return run at the BUB meet, it may have been in the measured mile. Rocky went high 290's down run and went to return and reported got into a bad wobble, went on its side and started pencil rolling. Rocky is OK. Dont know the extent of damage yet.
Jon
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Umm, It looks like an Aermacchi to me. I always wanted to have one of those.......
Glad to hear that Rocky is OK, Hope the liner is OK too.
Rain, Rain, go away.
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Has anyone noticed how much we rely on Jon and his reports?
Maybe I'm the only one that is slobbering on my keyboard.
Lets keep those cards and checks arriving for the site.
FREUD
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Umm, It looks like an Aermacchi to me. I always wanted to have one of those.......
I would confirm this......
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More preliminary reports from Mike, is that the down run looked perfect. The timed mile would be about the 4-5 mile on the SCTA course, down run was great, taking it easy, no slip. The return run Rocky got a little squirly, let off and it straightened out then tried to get back into it and just got out of hand. Mike says the body is completely gone, broke some frame mounts and will need to be taken completley apart and see how bad the frame is.
Jon
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The main thing is that Rocky is OK. :-D The Bike can be fixed or replaced. Mike will do what is right.
Glen
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well it looks like i better get some carbon fiber on order....glad rocky is ok... and Mike also, bet he had a heart attack when he heard crash...
kent
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I heard that there was a weather front coming in to wendover, SO i checked weatherstreet.com for info and it shows a pretty good front coming over wendover on Wednesday and continuing thru the day.. Lets hope Not...
Jon
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Nat weather service is showing a cold front arriving late tues, 30% chance of thunderstorms, and a sharp drop of temps to highs of 77 on wed with slow warming later in the week.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/slc/current/meso.nwut.php <--- click on the wendover symbol and see a tabular list of current/reported conditions at Wendover Airport.
Here is the NWS forecast discussion:
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/forecasts/display_special_product_versions.php?sid=SLC&pil=AFD&version=0
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
FXUS65 KSLC 040254
AFDSLC
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SALT LAKE CITY UT
854 PM MDT MON SEP 3 2007
.SYNOPSIS...A WARM UPPER LEVEL RIDGE WILL REMAIN OVER THE AREA
THROUGH TONIGHT. A PACIFIC STORM SYSTEM WILL IMPACT THE AREA
TOMORROW AND WEDNESDAY BEFORE A DRIER WESTERLY FLOW DEVELOPS ON
THURSDAY.
&&
.DISCUSSION...THUNDERSTORMS DECREASING THIS EVENING BUT SOUTHWEST
UTAH WILL BE ACTIVE THROUGH THE NIGHT AS STORMS CONTINUE TO INCREASE
IN SOUTHERN NEVADA AND MOVE TOWARD SOUTHWEST UTAH. ONE MORE DAY OF
A WARM AND MOIST AIRMASS OVER UTAH BEFORE THE PATTERN CHANGE ON
WEDNESDAY. STORMS TUESDAY SHOULD BE STRONGER AND WETTER THAN OVER
THE WEEKEND AS GFS SHOWS A PLUME OF MOISTURE ADVECTING NORTH OVER
WESTERN UTAH TUESDAY AS SOUTHWEST FLOW INCREASES AHEAD OF THE
INCOMING TROUGH. 700 TO 400 MB SHEAR APPROACHES 40 KNOTS IN
EXTREME NORTHWEST UTAH BY LATE AFTERNOON. A SURFACE FRONT SHOULD
PUSH INTO NORTHERN UTAH TUESDAY EVENING FROM CONVECTION THAT
FORMS TUESDAY AFTERNOON...BUT THE DEEPER FRONT...EXTENDING TO 500
MB ARRIVES WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. AT THAT TIME SHEAR WILL BE 50
KNOTS AND STRONGER THUNDERSTORMS LIKELY WITH THE MAIN TROUGH
ALOFT. EVENING NAM12 SHOW 700 MB TEMPERATURES DOWN TO ABOUT 3C BY
THURSDAY MORNING OVER NORTHERN UTAH WHICH WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT
CHANGE TO THE 15 TO 16C AIRMASS OF THE LAST WEEK. A COOLER AND DRY
AIRMASS WILL THEN BE OVER UTAH FOR THE NEXT WEEK FOLLOWING THE
MID-WEEK TROUGH.
Larry
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So today we got in right when they opened, and got ready and had the bike in line at a little after 7:00. At the Bub meet, your physical position in line doesn't matter, you check in with the pre-stage guy and he puts you on a list in order and you go in that order.
We got sent to the 2 mile at about 3:00, and we got on the course a little after 4:00.
By 4:30 we were in impound, claiming the pass. She went 163 this time. The extra ballast helped. Still spinning the tire and getting into the rev limiter.
Unfortunately, there was just no time for a change considering the 5:00 course shutdown.
The return pass didn't happen until almost 6:00 though. She reported lots of wheelspin and only managed 159. So we claimed a new record at 161 and change.
Not at all sure I'm going to pull the nitro bike back out, I still don't think the course is there yet. The motor only has so many passes in it and I'm inclined to save them for hopefully better conditions at WOS or Finals.
Here's some pics of my bride and her bike ...
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/s1susy.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/s1.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/s1b.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/susysmiling.jpg)
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More pictures of bikes ...
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/w3.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/591.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/4444.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/krugger.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/s1c.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/wheelchair1.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/21.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/xbrrgraphic.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/buildoffbike.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/cxturbo.jpg)
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Congrats on the record Aaron!
I heard today from someone out on the salt something very similar to what you described, getting in line early in the morning and not running until late in the day. Why is that?? I have always heard you could get a lot of runs in a the BUB meet, however it only sounds like one a day this year and with a potential storm coming who knows what is going to happen the rest of the week.
Scott
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(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/bennetts1.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/cx.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/hdtmarines.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/cb350s.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/bike30.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/indian.jpg)
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(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/vincent1.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/rd350.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/woodman.jpg)
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(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/victory.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/vincent2.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/52.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/wozniak.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/zukis.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/confederate.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/ironhead.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/rr1650s2morning.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/trumpet1.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/dynojet.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/gt80.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/wheelchair2.jpg)
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Scott, the Bub folks use quite a bit different procedures than USFRA or BNI. They just aren't nearly as efficient. I like the event, I think it's very special to have a bikes only event, but this one aspect could use improvement. Many, many people wait all day and don't get a pass.
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Man-o-man, this can't be for real, can it? I've never seen so few Hayabusas at a land speed racing event (in modern times). What is this -- a special event where "If you ain't got pushrods, you ain't got s**t?"
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Slim, it takes patients to run a Harley... :roll:
Aaron, give that girl a fairing so she can go fast! :wink:
Nice record, hope to see you there tomorrow
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"If you ain't got pushrods, you ain't got s**t?"
You said it buddy, not me! :wink:
Slim, it takes patients to run a Harley... :roll:
And once they are released from the hospital and on the not so forgiving bike, it takes patience too! :-P
I take it you're going out to run Bob? If so, best of luck to Stainless & Son!
Aaron, nice reporting and most EXCELLENT(90* & eye level :-D) pics, thanks!
Todd
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Bak189 - I don't get it. It took Aaron 9 hrs to make one pass. What's with the paint on the salt? BNI is not allowed to use paint per the BLM.
We thought that you informed us that you can make as many runs as you wish. Maybe Aaron only wants one pass per day.
DW
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Sorry Todd, but I spelled it right, I have several and they occasionally force me to become institutionalized... :roll:
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I understand more then I want to,
Todd(a patient with patience and a house full of cause)
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Thanks for the great reporting and pictures. I don't know how you are finding time to race and report also. You and Jon manage this well.
So today we got in right ................. She reported lots of wheelspin and only managed 159. So we claimed a new record at 161 and change...............
Only 159!! I've never had a woman in my life that would run that fast on a bike on the salt for a mile. In fact I'm not sure I would even do it. Congrats to her and you also :-),
Sum
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DW,
I too have been disappointed in operational procedures of the meet. Sounds like you MAY get one pass a day and some have reported not even getting one pass.. Bikes are generally faster to get down the track then cars.. And at that almost ALL of the bikes are short course bikes during this meet. And not only that almost ALL drive to the start and return from the runs on their "race" vehicles... This alone should speed up the meet. And they had a seperate track for the Run Watcha Brung vehicles, making less entrants on the main course... It will be interesting to hear what Rex has to say about the functionality of the meet.. This is the fourth year I think of the meet and it hasn't gotten any better for running of the vehicles. From what I have been hearing from the many people calling me on the phone at the meet.
At speedweek with double++ the entries they were able to get one and some even got two passes during the days... I think it has to do with their pre staging lanes, and last year they had radio communication problems...
Just waiting on UPS this morning for the Haltech ECU, and we will be one the way for the last day or two of the meet. Ack called this morning and said winds were very high, some rain came thru and there was rain coming in from the SW this morning.
Maybe all in all this was meant to be for me... First the HALTECH ECU shipping error delaying our departure, then while talking on the phone to Joe the next door neighbors kids football went down a city drain, so I go over and pull this solid iron 3x3 circle of a lid off to get their ball, PULL MY BACK, then yesterday Keilani and I and her parents are sitting in the garage when this harley zooms by our house, soon after a sport bike comes by and right in front of my house grabs full front brake instead of the clutch and endo's the bike.. Not wearing a helmet the first thing that hits is his face, bike skids to a stop about four houses down to the end of the block, the guy skids to a hault next to a pickup about 2 1/2 houses down.. Face full of blood, other guys runs home and gets the dually, they load wrecked bike up and haul ass out of here. Cops, fire, ambulance come no one to be found... They got him at the ER... Maybe this is telling me something about the trip to BUB's..
Jon
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ooo, yeah, and Keilani caught me this morning adding the "Team Amo Anti-Galling compound" to the intercooler tank this morning, and it wasnt coming out of a bottle...
Jon
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I was asked to conduct this meet and turned it down. I am not a bike only person and reading from the past history I think I made the right decision. Best of luck to Rex. Good luck to rest of the meet and the racers and hope the weather lets them complete the meet.
glen
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"I don't know how you are finding time to race and report"
Sum,
Read previous posts regarding looooong waits for runs.
DW
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I am sitting in the LOOOONG line at BUB right now. Ack Attack is next to me, all scraped up and not going anywhere. Jon's other reporters are right that it is taking a very long time to get any runs. I have been here 3 days and only have made 2 runs. I run the long course,but the problem is the long and short course are only one course, and they run 10 shorts for every long. One of the major problems in my mind is that the line starts at the 5 mile marker, then when you are "up" you have to drive your bike or trailer down to the start line and then go. It causes mass confusion because you may be in line, but that is not your running order. Just today they changed how things are organized twice. Here it is 11:30 utah time and there has not been any runs. The wind is around 7-13 mph, but many bikes have no problems with that. Another problem is that the line is between pit rows, which are very close together so there is a lot of traffic congestion and cars cannot get by each other.
BUT that being said, all the staff are very helpful and are working their ass off so I appreciate them. I just wish things would go faster so I could get 2 runs in per day. Without doing that, it is impossible to set a record. Yesterday my qualifying run was 221, but since it was the end of the day they said I could not do a return run, and it does not count. The qualifying and return run must be on the same day. Sigh.
Don Pearsall, sweating in my car
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Aaron,
Figured you must be posting somewhere! Just took me a while to find it.
Good luck and have fun. Say g'day to Susan and Dan.
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Aaron,
Thanks for the site and the forum. For those of us who can't be there but have friends and/or relatives who are running, this is about the only place to find anything current about the event. I like the motorcycle only event, but BUB doesn't do much to keep the rest of the world informed. I really miss your on-site reporting. Hope UPS finally came through.
Hunter
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Jon,
I really miss your on-site reporting. Hope UPS finally came through.
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Talked to James Rice about 45 minutes ago and he said hi wind this morning prevented any early runs. The wind quit and a few runs were under way before the hard rain hit. Meet is on hold at this time.
Glen :-(
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It's a little after 3PM Wendover time -- and I see that they're having a thunderstorm out there right now, with severe storm warnings displayed. Gee, that doesn't bode well for Bub's, does it? And while the forecast for the next few days looks pretty good, I wonder if World of Speed is in jeopardy. . .
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I have a flight out in the morning If the meet is canceled, Will some one please post it
Thank You
Good luck to all
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Slim are you at BUB, please let me Know if it is canceled I am flying out in the morning. good Luck.
Richard C. Almond
Southwest Superbikes
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Richard check in at southern xposure. i'll buy you a beer!!!!
jason.
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ya know I hate to say anything if it is simply not going to help.........
and or is negative...........
so..............Don.........why the %*&^%(*% would they have someone
wait in line......ALL day...........and then be afforded the opportunity......
to "take the course".........to try and qualify........and in your case...
make the run of a lifetime.......the sole purpose/goal of such an event.........
ONLY to be told........"its the end of the day".........and your record qualifier
"doesn't count"......."try again tomorrow".........that just plain pisses me off..........
and I am not even out there.................
Joe
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i figured BUB would maybe run until 4 or 5 pm and then do the return runs after the 2 hour limit that would take them to 7pm. give or take.
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So we raced for a few hours today, then a storm blew in this afternoon and shut it down early. I don't remember exactly when, maybe about 1:00.
The weather is very unsettled and it remains to be seen if we have a race course tomorrow. This thing might be over.
They got a lot more rain in Wendover than we got on the salt. It was kind of funny watching the storms move toward us, coming from town. They largely split, with part of it moving south and part going over the mountains to the north. But enough of it strafed us that we got wet. Lots of lightning and thunder all around. No standing water in the pits when we left at 3:30 or so, but some as we got close to the boat ramp.
We were in line, and suprisingly the line was actually moving today, when the storm came in. So we didn't get a pass.
Kaz got his bike back up and running and was also waiting to go. I guess he ran a pass on the first day and broke it and has been working on it since. Suppose I should pay more attention since technically he and I are competing for the fastest American twin thing. But I'm really much more interested in seeing my wife raise her record a few more mph, which I believe she can do. She's been into the limiter every pass. Just an awful lot more wheelspin than I anticipated. I won't compromise what my wife is doing to go have a shootout with him. If he gets it and we're still monkeying with her bike, it's his.
I have lots more pics but need to make a trip down to the Econo Lodge parking lot to upload them, I'll post them later.
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got my wipers on as we speak
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So we raced for a few hours today, then a storm blew in this afternoon and shut it down early. I don't remember exactly when, maybe about 1:00.
The weather is very unsettled and it remains to be seen if we have a race course tomorrow. This thing might be over.
They got a lot more rain in Wendover than we got on the salt. It was kind of funny watching the storms move toward us, coming from town. They largely split, with part of it moving south and part going over the mountains to the north. But enough of it strafed us that we got wet. Lots of lightning and thunder all around. No standing water in the pits when we left at 3:30 or so, but some as we got close to the boat ramp.
We were in line, and suprisingly the line was actually moving today, when the storm came in. So we didn't get a pass.
Kaz got his bike back up and running and was also waiting to go. I guess he ran a pass on the first day and broke it and has been working on it since. Suppose I should pay more attention since technically he and I are competing for the fastest American twin thing. But I'm really much more interested in seeing my wife raise her record a few more mph, which I believe she can do. She's been into the limiter every pass. Just an awful lot more wheelspin than I anticipated. I won't compromise what my wife is doing to go have a shootout with him. If he gets it and we're still monkeying with her bike, it's his.
I have lots more pics but need to make a trip down to the Econo Lodge parking lot to upload them, I'll post them later.
Aaron,
What is the prize for fastest twin and what is your top speed this week and who is closest to you??
Good Luck,
Scott
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Scott, the prize is only $1,000. I'm not really sure who all is in the running or where I'm sitting. I have only one pass, and it was only 203.8. Kaz has run in that range in the past. So he may take it, I don't know. Or maybe there's someone else faster. There aren't any results posted anywhere that I'm aware of.
Here's some post-crash Ack pics ...
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/ack1.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/ack2.jpg)
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More pictures ...
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/noonansbike.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/scootster.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/hoosier.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/kaz.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/valeriestrailer.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/wildbilltattoo.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/blackcushman.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/redcushman.jpg)
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And some more ... I try to take pictures of the more "interesting" bikes, which there are LOTS of here ...
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/hrd.jpg)
(http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictures/rolls.jpg)
Now HERE's a classy tow rig!
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Dick Hilferty, Jerry Branch, Ron Dickey, Don Pettey
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Jon check your PM's
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Aaron, Great job on the record with Susan! Great team. Do you have any info on the Bennett's? Let the guys know Tim's brother Chuck says hello.
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Salt Lake just got hit by one of the worst wind/rain/thunderstorms I can ever remember. Winds up to 70 MPH and a possible toronado in Lehi, about 20 miles south of SLC. My power was off for almost two hours. Just came back on and I wanted to post this quick in case it goes out again. Hopefully the salt fared better than here.............
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How about a Wendover weather report. Do you think the meet will be canceled? I can still cancel my flight.
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JASON If I get there and it is rained out you are getting on the pole at southern x
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Southwest,
If you look at weather report, it had rain over the salt from about 7pm to 9pm, and another front coming in tonight for another stab at the salt... Unless you want to wade in some water, or at best a sub par running. I would get a refund on ticket... If you cant get a refund, then hell just go for the free beer from Jason..
I got my ECU and I want to go so bad, but reasoning has told me to stay here and shoot for WOS...
Jon
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"southwest"......yer from Cali arent ya.......?
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Thank You for the info, That free beer will cost me two nights in jail, I really appreciate the info. Good luck.
Richard
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Hi Arron
Like Pete was slow to find your posts.
Thanks for the reports and pixs.
Give that girl of yours a big hug from me she is doing well.
Wish I was there but back up to China Friday.
Good luck to you guys and every one racing be safe and have fun.
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but reasoning has told me to stay here and shoot for WOS...
Reasoning? REASONING?? REASONING??? Check my signature.
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Dallas
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Richard take the refund. trust me.
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Jason Thanks, I took your word and canceled, are you staying for WOS so you don't have to crash the border again.
Richard
Where can I see the new ride?
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Paul & Pete, great to hear from you guys, and thanks for the words of encouragement.
Weather appears calm this morning. Haven't been to the salt yet though. Hmmm.
Aaron, Great job on the record with Susan! Great team. Do you have any info on the Bennett's? Let the guys know Tim's brother Chuck says hello.
Chuck, Bennett's have been struggling. Three passes, three turn-outs. First one was a wire that fell off. Second was the shifter air line came off. Not sure on the third. They were in line directly in front of us when the course got shut down. Stress has been a little high in that pit so I've tried to stay out of their hair. Sure hope they sort it out. The new body looks great.
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Oops, it just started raining. And it's windy. My guess is we're done.
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Just got off the phone with James Rice. Not a lot of rain on the salt last night. They are presently running on the short course and hoping the conditions get better to resume running on the long course. They are optimistic but still waiting to see if they can salvage the remainder of the event. He will call me later with an update.
8:10 AM Utah time
Glen :-D
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Jason Thanks, I took your word and canceled, are you staying for WOS so you don't have to crash the border again.
Richard
Where can I see the new ride?
im headed to Miller's in slc to pick up a GT3 cup car next week and do some work in the pits at the race. If i have time i may lay down a couple of passes at WOS.
The new LSR bike is top secret!!
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So that means your still pulling your trailer with a donkey.
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They just opened the long course, wind is still a factor at this time.
Glen
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Did the long course get a lot of rain? How high is the wind?
Any idea if "7" will run again?
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So that means your still pulling your trailer with a donkey.
Richard, I'm still pulling my trailer with a donkey and trying to go faster than a jackass!!
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Good luck out there sorry i missed it.
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Real sorry to see Acks damage. seems there are more wet events than dry lately :-(
Anyone seen an Aussie on a turbo busa out there , wondering how Richard is going ?
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this brings about some interesting fodder.............
obviously..........some folks at this point are not running for
records.......on that course........but do to the nature of BUB's...
are laying it on the line for $$$........
NOT saying I would do anything different.....just thinking of the lure....
and whats at stake.......
matter of fact........its probably my stupidity for not trying to run
bubs the past few years to try to garner $$$ to better equip the
race machine for going for records.........
Joe :)
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Hey Joe, speaking of 240, did you ever find any "sign" of what was causing your handling issue at speedweek? :roll: :-D
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Hey Joe, speaking of 240, did you ever find any "sign" of what was causing your handling issue at speedweek? :roll: :-D
Your not nice :wink:. Personally I think he must have been handling pretty good to get the sign and also the time,
Sum
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So today there were some wind delays, but bikes ran most of the time. We sat in line as usual. Along about 3:00 in the afternoon, I noticed that some of the people who were running had also run early in the day.
Now I had been pretty patient with the whole thing up up to that point, being a sponsor and wanting to support the event at all, but my patience went away when I saw that. I gave the pre-stage guy an earful, explaining how it had been nearly 48 hours since we had our turn and here he was sending people who had run that morning.
That whole pre-stage procedure at the Bub meet is a royal cluster Fiat, there is no other way to put it. They keep a "list" but apparently they pay little attention to it. It's the one big black eye on an otherwise good event. They need to get rid of that whole thing. Make a damn line, single file, and put people in it and go in order, what's so damn hard about that?
Anyway, we got out on the course late in the day. The change I had made to the bike didn't work, Susan slowed down to 154. But she was within 5% of the 161 record she had claimed on Monday (which was still unofficial, and she was still over the old official 146 record) and within 5% is considered qualified at the Bub meet. Knowing the wait and that we would likely not get on the course any other way, we claimed it and went to impound. That allowed us to get back out on the course about 5:00. I had undone the change and she went right back to the 163mph range where she was at on Monday.
Anyway, we bagged it and tore the motor down, got measured, and put Monday's times in the book.
I've got the nitro bike ready, in case the course and weather are good tomorrow morning. If conditions are bad I'll just bag it.
I have some pics but no way to upload them, will do it when I get home most likely.
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what was your change that slowed ya down/ good to here ya were able to identify the problem and fix it... hey thanks for keeping us informed on what was happening out there
kent
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AWSRacing is correct about the line confusion. The poor guy with "The List" has a constant swarm of riders around him yelling that they need to be someplace different on the list, as well as guys who are in line, checked in, but did not make it on this list. Some people got in line as usual, and did not even KNOW they had to go find the list guy and put their name on it. Just total confusion and lack of communication.
Another thing is that your bike may be 1/2 mile down the line, but YOU have to be near the guy with the list to hear him say you are next. So you have to run 1/2 mile back to your bike or trailer and fight your way through the terrible pit congestion to go out and get staged. It is just unbelievable that BUB chose to do things like this. I don't get how this is supposed to be better than SW procedures.
Don - getting back in line this morning(think I am on the list)
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"He who controls the purse strings, controls the list., controls the people, controls the event." (me-from the beginning)
Getting bigger indicates the demand, getting worse indicates the progress.
Complicating something as simple as a lineup procedure usually means they missed something in pre-school, and certainly never had the experience that is so lacking .
The top down procedure, ruins some otherwise helpful people and willing participants.
" Ask Delvene." (Bob Bakker-2007) :roll:
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Queue theory (the study of lines) has been well documented. There is no need to wait in a line. EVER.
The El Mirage method where you run based on points lets you sit until your number group is called.
Assign numbers based on entry received, and then run based on the numbers. At the end of the day you can re-register for the next day. That way the organizers will know how many are planning to run the next day. The shoe polish numbers on the tow vehicle windshield for run position and entry number seems to help also.
If the organizers communicate the number of people registered, and calculate the time per run, then you can figure pretty close when your group will be called. Better yet, the organizers could print a morning run sheet with the estimated times.
The top four days at Speed Week managed 200 runs per day on the long course (Monday through Thursday.) The short course ran 184 to 259 (Monday) per day for the same period. 872 short course runs and 765 long course runs. The BUB meet last year had 477 runs for the four days.
Seems like the BUB organizers need to visit Speed Week.
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Dean
I have an Idea, why don't you volunteer next year to help run the BUB meet. Maybe you can sort it out.
Glen :?
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Thursday - 9:30 AM - Wendover time
Just got a call from Cliff Gullett that the "7070" Costella-Gullett Streamliner ran a 193 on the down run and they are getting ready to run the return.... The temp looked a little low on the weather report but apparently the temp and the course was good enough to get it done. If they can secure the record on the return run, they will be prepared to go for the 350cc Motorcycle Streamliner Fuel Record.
WAY TO GO!
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Dean
I have an Idea, why don't you volunteer next year to help run the BUB meet. Maybe you can sort it out.
Glen :?
It seems the focus of the event is not on the racer.
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Queue theory (the study of lines) has been well documented. There is no need to wait in a line. EVER.
The El Mirage method where you run based on points lets you sit until your number group is called................Seems like the BUB organizers need to visit Speed Week.
Personally I feel EM is way different. The pits are just feet away from the starting line. On the salt the pits are miles from the starting line and communications there are slim to non and not many options to make that better.
The proven way is you get in line, stay in line, and run when it is your turn.
Now to also be fair to BUB what they are doing is completly different. Since the measured mile is in the middle of their course and they run both ways on records and not one way that really complicates things, especially for the FIM runs that have to return in 2 hours.
They can't run a short/long course in the same manner as speed week since the measured mile is in the middle for record purposes. That means the short course bikes leave from what is basically the return road, ride over a few hundred yards and make a left turn on the course and run 2 miles to the timed mile. So they are starting up course a couple miles from the starting line for the long course bikes not at the same place as at speed week.
So the timing tower is trying to coordinate starting runs from two different locations for the north bound runs.
Things even get more complicated when someone runs on a FIM record and qualifies as now they have to return from the north towards the south within 2 hours and they could be starting 5 miles north of the measured mile or 2 or 3 miles north of the measured mile and they are returning in the direction of the people that or waiting to start at the other end of the course on their down runs. I don't know if AMA records have to follow the same procedure or not. I use to know, but lost that over a beer during the winter.
This whole setup revolves around FIM record requirements and the fact that those are the records the promoter is going after along with other entrants. Their is no way they can run on an FIM record at speed week, so BUB does fulfill a void other than having to lease the salt on private time.
I think if someone is interested in an FIM record they should look at BUB, but if not maybe they should look at another meet like SW, WOS or WF if they are interested in getting in more runs.
Personally I think BUB ought to drop the pre-stage antics they have now and you would go get in line at the long course starting point or short course starting point and they would alternate between them. Then they would have to fit in the return runs as necessary so that if you qualified on a record you would be assured (weather permitting) a return run that day.
I can't remember if they got the "run what you brung" course up or not, but surely that would help a lot but there again they had no say about the weather and course conditions that were dealt them.
c ya,
Sum
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the SCTA pre stage was not without incident... on monday i was stuck in one line that barely moved for 4 hours as other lanes smoked by....and so was 2 scta board members (Russ Ayres and Jim Lattin) we were passed by Bob Moreland in another lane.... needless to say the problem got fixed damn fast.... and that folks is the lesson.... it got fixed quickly, that day, and permanently..I think Denis has the ability to identify a problem and come up with a solution.... i think he must be overloaded out there or he would fix the problem. the lack of good salt and not having the ability to run multiple courses doesn't help
kent
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the SCTA pre stage was not without incident... on monday i was stuck in one line that barely moved for 4 hours as other lanes smoked by....and so was 2 scta board members (Russ Ayres and Jim Lattin) we were passed by Bob Moreland in another lane.... needless to say the problem got fixed damn fast.... and that folks is the lesson.... it got fixed quickly, that day, and permanently..
kent
Guess Bob has a faster car than you guys :evil:, good thing he wasn't on "bull dog" :lol:. You also forgot to mention that he is a board member with less seniority :wink: , but your point is well taken. Big changes this year in SCTA and they look to be positive ones for the racer to me :-) ,
Sum
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The easiest and most efficient way to accommodate the multiple requirements of the BUB procedure has been thoroughly explained here before and communicated to the promoter.
It has been done before on the Salt with the mix of National and International record scheduling requirements.
Given proper attention, it works very well with a small crew, and has for a long time. :roll:
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The easiest and most efficient way to accommodate the multiple requirements of the BUB procedure has been thoroughly explained here before and communicated to the promoter.
It has been done before on the Salt with the mix of National and International record scheduling requirements.
Given proper attention, it works very well with a small crew, and has for a long time. :roll:
Jack do you have a link to that discussion or would you please elaborate??
Thanks,
Sum
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I did it on a whole page here, right after the first BUB event in answer to a question from SSS I think.
I went back over my stuff here from just after the first BUB meet in 04, and everything is missing for August and Sept., July skips right to Oct.
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All the problems can be eliminated by having Mr. BUB contact Jack D. and have him run the meet. There would be no lines, no complaining, times to run, etc. Evenyone would tell how great it is. There would not be any problem with any part on any M/C as Jacks photographic mind and memory knows everything about every M/C ever built. You would not need to write any records out because he remembers all that too. I just don't see any problems after Jack takes charge. :roll:
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:-D :-) :-( :-o :? 8-) :lol: :x :-P :oops: :cry: :evil: :roll: :wink: :| :mrgreen:
Tom G.
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All the problems can be eliminated by having Mr. BUB contact Jack D. and have him run the meet. There would be no lines, no complaining, times to run, etc. Evenyone would tell how great it is. There would not be any problem with any part on any M/C as Jacks photographic mind and memory knows everything about every M/C ever built. You would not need to write any records out because he remembers all that too. I just don't see any problems after Jack takes charge. :roll:
As evidenced by the lessons learned over time, they need to change the complexion of the event and a number of people are very capable of doing it., and have.
Common sense is a good place to start.:wink:
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Thats really cool that there are folks willing to pay for great
performances.......!!!!!
congrats to the money winners.......and an equal congrats
to those setting personal bests......and record winners...!!
Joe
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Scott, thanks for the kind words, but it wasn't just us four, it was about 100 hard and dedicated racers working to make it happen. Wasn't easy but we all love this sport and it was for the racers that worked all year or longer to run their vehicles. Thanks to the racers for working with us and under this side step plus the 2278 runs later on two courses that had us all wondering how long they would last. Thanks to every entry and spectator for your patience.
Glen
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Glen will remember the last conversation he had with Higbee at the start the first of the 2 track method used by SCTA.
I do.
He will remember that day forever, and Sami will remember the shoebox full of presents she got at the end of the day.
The results of that day compiled, proofed, and were posted that night in 3 locations, as was the tradition.
I will remember Wendy getting a full set of the weeks previously posted results at the end of the meet within minutes after the Herbert machine ran for the first time.
" Most skills and accomplishments are not lost or forgotten, just ignored." (me) :wink:
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I believe there should be a note here that there was a lot of delay at the meet do to the racers. I did not run the last few days, so I enjoyed watching the runs. One thing I would see over and over was racers powering to the 6 mile mark ??? and turning off at somewhere around the 7 or 8. There was even an announcement during the week asking racers not to drive to the 9 mile when it was no were needed to shut down.
Also please note the turn off area was in better condition this week then at speedweek. This added time on the track made for alot of track time by these racers (the time to find the racer after the turn off sometimes doubled the run time)
Bill
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Good post, Joe.
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A delay caused by the failure of a racer to follow instructions before being allowed to run, is easily policed by withholding the speed until a suitable discussion has reminded the entrant of their continuing responsibility to others.
Experience shows it really works and has solved a lot of problems.
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A delay caused by the failure of a racer to follow instructions before being allowed to run, is easily policed by withholding the speed until a suitable discussion has reminded the entrant of their continuing responsibility to others.
Experience shows it really works and has solved a lot of problems.
This method was applied also. Racers were told if they ran under a 175 on the long, they had to talk to the timer in person. But there was no accountability for taking a joy ride for a few extra miles. I believe speedweek moved a long at a good pace because of good shut down practices.
Bill
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Glen the SCTA timer doesn't put up with that crap... People can correct me if I'm wrong, but if a participant at speedweek failed to pull off the course or powered to long, they were warned, and if the action continued they were asked to put it on the trailer...
Not being able to find a rider, or see if he/she is off course to send the next vehicle, seems to me was a lack of course stewards, BUB participants you can correct me if I am wrong.. The scta has one ever mile to make sure people are clear of course so you can continue the meet.
This is something that is very crucial to the meet, need to get off course as fast and safely as possible, if not you are holding up the meet, and if you are it's not acceptable... Put it on the trailer...
Jon
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Wildbro, I will agree with you to a certain extent. There were quite a few riders who didn't need to be on the long course. Most were done by the 2 mile. I know, I sat there and watched them, waiting to run at the 2 mile. I also sat there at pre stage watching the FIM bikes and long course bikes run 3 times while I sat in line. As I saw it that was the problem. FIM and long course was given priority. If they want to run a meet that way that is their option, but, I don't think the FIM bikes will support the meet, I dunno. We were told at Mondays rider meeting things would change, they didn't as I understand,I dunno cuz I left. The whole system was a cluster Fiat as I saw it. Which I don't understand as Dennis has been doing this for a long time. Maybe he has oldtimers. So, besides a whole new top end we're talking a hard look at WOS. I gotta go!
Jon, I agree completely. There was no supervision of riders. AKA, FIM.
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Mr. Amo,
Can that page of stuff that described the suitable running procedures be rescued and printed again ?
I did in answer to a question about the conduct of the first BUB meet.
I guess I can type it again, it is still as valid as ever.
Jack :|
I FOUND IT !
It is under Web site suggestions at the end of the list of forums.
It was started by RHT and is worth reading again from the beginning, or in the case of some, for the first time.
You can also do a search on here titled "course".
Jack
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A great highlight was watching Marty Dickinson, now eighty years old, mount his Vincent with the cameras clicking away and then make a couple 140 mph runs! I bet he has a couple stories to tell...
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I just got home. We went to the awards dealie last night and then drove all night.
I'll tell you what, that pre-stage fiasco found the limits of my patience. I went from being the nicest guy, totally supportive, understanding, patient, to being a total asshole. I lost it and got in the list keeper's face big time when I realized people were making multiple passes on the same day and we'd been waiting for two days for a pass. Then on Thursday morning, as soon as the list keeper showed up, I ripped him a new one again, let him know in very clear terms that if they pulled that shit on me again that day I'd be all over his ass and they'd have to throw me out to get me out of his face. I paid my entry fees just like everyone else and I was not about to let them do that to me again.
There were people who literally ran 3 and 4 times in a single day while others waited for days. I think some people were on the list multiple times. There may also have been some shenanigans with bike numbers that helped mask the fact that they appeared on the list multiple times. I don't know how they were doing it, I just know that system is a total, complete, cluster Fiat and they need to fix it.
It kind of set a bad mood for other things as well. I got so spun up that when I went to impound after qualifying, and they told me I was not allowed to change the oil in my bike (it's a nitro bike), I went ballistic on the tech guy as well. I was just totally, completely, fed up with any and all bullshit by that point, I had zero patience with any more of their incompetence. An argument ensued as to whether or not oil was a "part" (the rule book says you can't change "parts" between qualifying and return runs). I eventually won the argument, but not without spreading a lot of ill-will. Probably wasn't the best of time to try to pull that kind of crap on me, I had a short fuse for anyone wearing a red "Staff" shirt. Even AMA Ken wasn't exempt from my wrath.
Anyway, the course was much worse on Thursday, when I brought the nitro bike back out, than it was on Sunday when I first ran it. I'm 48 years old and got my first motorcycle at age ten, and in 38 years of riding I've never been so scared as I was on my qualifying pass. That bitch was just all over the place, I thought I was going down at 200mph a couple of times. Between the soft salt and the ruts and the breeze, it was just almost impossible to control the bike. I only managed 197 and scared myself shitless doing it. The backup pass was worse, but I took greater care, and slowed to 188. This same bike with no changes was solid as a rock last year on a 207mph pass at WOS. Clearly I don't have it set up right for a rutted, tractionless course. But I survived and put a weak record in the books.
There was a woman on a turbo 'busa, Leslie(?) Porterfield, who went down at speed shortly thereafter, while we were tearing down my bike in impound. I don't know anything about the crash except someone told me she had broken some bones. I do know she had run as high as 194 earlier, so she's not some shrinking violet, she was going for it. I don't know anything about her bike, I just know that my bike wasn't
t safe out there at anything over about 150 and I felt damn lucky to bring it home without wrecking it. How the hell a guy like Noonan goes out there and runs 230's and 240's in those conditions, I don't know. He's better than me, that's for damn sure.
The poor traction is the reason Ack went down too. Fortunately Denis was smart enough to hold the Bub 7.
I'm gonna clean things up and put the motors back together and maybe Susan and I will make it to WOS next week, but only if we hear the courses have dried considerably. It's just not worth it to tow clear out there and spend all that money for mushy salt.
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Oh, I should say too, the absolute highlight of my week was that I finally got to meet Jon Minonno, as well as check out his bike, which is an incredible machine. Jon is amazing, he is the consummate racer, and he's both knowledgeable a friendly, unlike most assholes like me.
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Glad you Susan and Dan made it home safe. Congrats on your records while at the BUB meet.
I had originally planned to attend this meet with my bike this year and it turns out it may have been a blessing in disguise with a few of the problems I had. After all I have heard about this years event it has left a big question mark in my mind on whether or not I will attend the BUB event in future years. I really hope they will be able to make some changes to make things flow a little better for next years event.
Scott
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I went from being the nicest guy, totally supportive, understanding, patient, to being a total asshole.
It's just that red hair thing kickin' in. Don't worry about it... :wink:
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It's kinda like I have been saying, isn't it.
The oil change is just 1 example of little individual Kingdoms that are like individual War Lords.
It seems they just make s--t up.
One dog barks, soon they are all barking, and trying to be louder than the rest.
Only one knows why, soon forgets the first bark, and the others just want to be heard.
It isn't getting any better, but the racers are learning.
The first timers are in awe of it all , and don't know what to expect.
As one of the money only racers mentioned, no tear down, no sweat, no problem. :oops:
Jack
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No worries, Aaron.I would have erupted lots earlier that you, my patience has been waning as my age increases. Glad you are home safe.
I watched Noonan do the same thing as he made a 200++ run into a rain storm one year. He literally disappeared from view about 50 feet away from the starting line.
Guess I should be glad I was not ready with my bike---
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Oh, I should say too, the absolute highlight of my week was that I finally got to meet Jon Minnono, as well as check out his bike, which is an incredible machine. Jon is amazing, he is the consummate racer, and he's both knowledgeable a friendly, unlike most assholes like me.
Next time you get a chance ask him about burn protection that the "All Cow" folks haven't figured out yet. :wink:
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After all I have heard about this years event it has left a big question mark in my mind on whether or not I will attend the BUB event in future years. I really hope they will be able to make some changes to make things flow a little better for next years event.
The really ironic thing about this is that I'm a huge supporter of the event. I really, really, really want it to be successful and continue happening. I think it's just cool as hell to have a motorcycle-only event, and Denis is my hero for sticking his neck out there and putting it on. That's exactly why I sponsor an award and have made it a point to be there every year. This event is my number 1 salt flats priority.
Delvene is one of the nicest people you could ever meet. I haven't talked with her at all about this pre-stage fiasco. I figure I need to calm down and repackage it into a more constructive thing first. Bitching is easy, solving problems is quite a bit more difficult, and I want to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. She deserves as much. I'm just using this board to vent.
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Pete, FMJ, thanks for checking in.
Jack, we actually did talk about that. Y'know, it's damn easy on one of these methanol or nitro bikes to hurt a piston and end up pumping large amounts of flammable liquids out the breathers, because so much of that stuff gets past the rings anyway, that when you create lots of blow-by with a hurt piston you're likely to shower the rider. We did it last year at the Bub meet, the only difference is that ours didn't catch on fire while Jon's did.
I've since put a good sized catch can on it but after talking with Jon I'm looking for ways to make it even safer. It really opened my eyes as to how dangerous it is.
I certainly don't think the solution has anything to do with cloth panels or perforations on the leathers. That's just silly.
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The point was and is the oil change prohibition never was part of any sane rules including the more restrictive FIM.
It is a matter of good judgement and safety that has nothing to do with competitive advantage. :wink:
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..................... I figure I need to calm down and repackage it into a more constructive thing first. Bitching is easy, solving problems is quite a bit more difficult, and I want to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. She deserves as much. I'm just using this board to vent.
Yep this is a good place to vent. I think I'll add your name to my list of people that I don't have to know what they are thinking :wink: . You will go on the list next to my good buddy Kent :-).
Great report and it sounds like you had an incredible ride. You have my respect,
Sum
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Aaron,
what some guys were doing was running on a record and then telling the officials that they were ready to return right away. that way they got 2 runs in in a matter of minutes. The whole return run thing really slows the program down and creates bad feelings in staging as the same people keep racing as you sit and wait patiently in line. i was told of one racer who by virtue of his past performance jumped the line numerous times and ran back and forth while others waited in line for hours.
I was first in line for the long course on sunday and had streamliners go ahead of me and after 3 hours waiting i asked if i could go down to the 0 mile and wait there. i got to run in no time because the liners that were waiting couldnt run in the wind. there was a communication gap between the pre stage and race central that caused some of the problems.
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Race central needs to be a real starter with real experience.
As somebody we know mentioned, "Take the money and run." :wink:
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what some guys were doing was running on a record and then telling the officials that they were ready to return right away. that way they got 2 runs in in a matter of minutes. The whole return run thing really slows the program down and creates bad feelings in staging as the same people keep racing as you sit and wait patiently in line. i was told of one racer who by virtue of his past performance jumped the line numerous times and ran back and forth while others waited in line for hours.
Yeah, I realize people were making backup passes just to avoid waiting in line, which the 5% rule facilitates nicely. We wised up and did that ourselves. But while waiting on Wednesday, we saw people make multiple qualifying passes over the course of the day while we sat, not having run since Monday. That's what set me off.
Exactly how they were beating the system, I'm still not sure. All I know is that being the good guy, lining up and putting myself on the list and waiting patiently, leaving the list keeper alone like a cooperative competitor, was not working, and I was forced to abandon it and become an asshole. Once I got in their face, I started getting somewhere. It's too bad it came to that. Shouldn't have to go there.
By the way, great job and congratulations.
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Pete, FMJ, thanks for checking in.
I love this stuff. Just wish I lived there to make doing it a bit more practical... :roll:
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Is there anywhere I can find the times? I can't find it on the BUB forum.
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Pete, FMJ, thanks for checking in.
I love this stuff. Just wish I lived there to make doing it a bit more practical... :roll:
With any luck, 1 mile to a 132ft trap speed racing may come to you.
Common performance standards will make a more direct comparison to those of another country and the bragging rights will go to the real fastest.
The facilities are more universally available and less subject to The Mother of Nature. :wink:
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Pete, FMJ, thanks for checking in.
I love this stuff. Just wish I lived there to make doing it a bit more practical... :roll:
With any luck, 1 mile to a 132ft trap speed racing may come to you.
Common performance standards will make a more direct comparison to those of another country and the bragging rights will go to the real fastest.
The facilities are more universally available and less subject to The Mother of Nature. :wink:
After spending a few weeks on the salt, I really appreciate Maxton! I don't believe I got salt fever, its more like a rash. It was fun doing it, but after its a lot of work to get rid of it :-) And speed at Maxton is within a mph of speed on the salt. Plus, you get so many more runs in on concrete. Last meet I did 16 runs on sunday, about the same as all of speedweek. I did 5 runs at BUB (Sunday & Monday) and that is what I do on a normal Maxton day.
Bill
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The fever will return about June of 2008 and you will need a fix and start scratching until you get the salt fix. If you don't you will spend an entire week by the computer waiting for everything regarding the meet. :roll:
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Back home in Seattle from BUB after driving all night and day. Congratulations to Jason M for the huge speed he put out. Congrats too to John Noonan for being second fastest. I think we were third fastest, but there is no way to tell as BUB does not post times like SCTA. I stayed till Thursday trying to catch up to those two, but by then the course had turned to the consistency of April snow. Slushy and very very dangerous. I almost went down just by making a gentle turn off the course (after fishtailing for 3 miles.)
It was an awesome and humbling event and made me appreciate SCTA more, both Speedweek and El Mirage. As everyone else noted, the queing system was just totally unorganized and not fair to everyone. Part of the problem was the single track for long and short. BUT GET THIS: The announcers were begging bikes to go to the "run what you brung" course because it was EMPTY while we sat in line ALL DAY for a single run. The RWB had a timing station, timing slips, etc, but why the short coursers could not run there too is beyond me. I did note that several people put their name on "The List" before even getting in line. That meant they jumped ahead of others. When I tried that they chewed me out. Some people know how to work the system.
I love running at Bonneville, but before going to BUB again, I want to make sure that they have the line up problems fixed, as well as dozens of other problems. It is just way too expensive to go there only to not get the 2 runs per day you need for a record.
Note: If I had won $10,000, I would not be complaining!
Don Pearsall
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As expensive as it is for the individual, the promoter budget for each entry to conduct the meet is way far in in excess of that.
Money buys influence as some have seen. :wink:
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i just got back from BUBs tonight. this was my first time at an event like this. i was surprised at the time it took to run. also some people seemed to be getting in a LOT more runs then other. maybe it was my imagination but it seemed if you had your own TV crew with you you got to run all day. as for the RWB course i tried it but even my slow bike wasn't able to get into 5th gear and spent a lot more time spinning it's tires. The guys on the ground did a hell of a job absorbing abuse though. That poor fellow Ken (?) was just taking a beating. still i am glad to have it and will be back next year, although i hope if I have to wait in line 7 hours i don't have to always be by my truck . it gets a little old.
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First time impressions are quite valuable and are a good indication of the things that might be ignored or taken for granted by someone with a lot more time in the sport.
Progress is expected on both sides, but it seems to be lacking for the event, and we can only hope.
If the track conditions won't allow a peak performance as they often do, there are plenty of personal and technical story lines available to make a good show for the filmers.
None of it has to come at the expense of fairness to all of the entrants. :oops:
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OK, I've been thinking on this, here are my suggestions so far:
1) ONE pre-stage line, for everyone who's waiting to qualify. NOT separate lines for tow rigs, short course, long course. Separate lines contributes to the problem, because it facilitates varying levels of wait. No more preferences for long course. Let no one move to the front of the line, everyone begins their wait at the back. No exceptions.
2) Dispatch racers from that line to the short or long course staging area as appropriate. DO NOT move people ahead in the line just because there are fewer folks waiting at the long course start. Everyone pays the same entry fee and SHOULD have the exact same opportunity to run, regardless of whether they're short or long course, regardless of whether they're towing or not. Pull people from the pre-stage line to the appropriate start line IN ORDER.
3) DO AWAY with the stupid list! It doesn't work. People are beating the system somehow. Make it first come, first served, all from the same line.
4) Put the line somewhere other than the middle of the paddock! It causes an enormous amount of congestion. Maybe it should run the length of the paddock, just outside of it. Mark in clearly with cones or a fence or something on both sides the whole way down. Make the space narrow enough that multiple lanes in the line don't happen.
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See "Course" procedures and all of those considerations have been communicated to the event promoter from the start and it seems to get worse every time.
Things that are said to be improvements are not improvements at all , but the racer is getting wiser to them.:oops:
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Some years ago SCTA put out a questioner after the speed week event was over. It covered almost everything the racer would like to see changed, or improved on. This was part of the entry for the following year as well. The feed back was compiled and given to the board at that time.
Maybe this is what the Bub people should do and send it to every entry asking their pros and cons. What they think was wrong and how to fix it next time. It won't hurt to ask. I think all of the salt events need this every year and we could all learn from it.
Glen
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Aaron, I've been thinking about this some, and believe that the problems can be identified and solutions found. Its too complex to type out now, but when we're bored and waiting for the rain and snow to go away this winter lets put together a proposal for Dennis to consider for next year.
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Glen, they did that last year, and I sent in a response. Never heard back.
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This is a perfect opportunity for those that offer their help at salt events to become a part of the solution.
Instead of proposing changes on this message board, form your suggestions into a positive program and convey them directly to Denis, Delevne and the BUB organizers.
DW
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This is a perfect opportunity for those that offer their help at salt events to become a part of the solution.
Instead of proposing changes on this message board, form your suggestions into a positive program and convey them directly to Denis, Delevne and the BUB organizers.
DW
It has been done from before the start. :roll:
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There was a woman on a turbo 'busa, Leslie(?) Porterfield, who went down at speed shortly thereafter, while we were tearing down my bike in impound. I don't know anything about the crash except someone told me she had broken some bones. I do know she had run as high as 194 earlier, so she's not some shrinking violet, she was going for it. I don't know anything about her bike
Anyone hear any updates on this lady? As one of the ambassadors for the broke wing club I'm wondering if we have a new inductee. :wink:
If anyone knows her please pass on our well wishes for a speedy recovery & the hopes that her injuries aren't too severe.
Deb
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Ok, got home safe, had a good time...watching. The salt was not in good condition, very hard to get a hold of, but did improve later in the week. While they do try, the folks at BUB can't totally control the conditions, Mother nature rules.
The issues at "the line" were obviously a big problem, the language alone was rough at best, the abuse was harsh, on a volunteer who is following directions from higher up. Later in the week it got ugly and I don't think it helped the situation much. I'm sure a fix will be found and implemented, let's give them time to sort it out.
The lack of respect that some competitors showed for others was criminal in some cases. They cheated, abusing track time in good conditions plain and simple is not fair and should be dealt with.
The "short course" or RWB, was used on the last day for "lower speed" records, and since it is measured and certified, should be used for ALL those who run under 140 mph, and should be the qualifier to access the long course. If the competitor has recorded history with BUB above 140 with that very machine, go to the 2, above 175 or maybe 185 go to the 0. Much time is waisted on the long course, on people with big goals and not enough performance to warrant being there, or riding the course as a tour. They jam up the program for their own pleasure and need to be warned and then eliminated from the competition.
I feel very strongly regarding streamliners course priority, the opportunity of setting an absolute speed record must be respected, these folks are haul'in buxxx, us slow guys will be looking for another venue if we don't get along. BUB put their butts on the line financially to provide the place for us to "have a go". The setting of an absolute record brings media to report on and hopefully grow the awareness of our SMALL corner of motorsport.
Last year, my first, I found the Salt an extended motorsport family, helpful and respectful of every competitors effort, I hope that will never change. Just like most families we need to self correct members who behave poorly. The BUB group will learn and grow and we need to grow along with them, let's work together to fix the problems and not fall into a name calling situation. This is a great event for motorcyclists, lets have fun and make it better!
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Getting participants frustrated to a high level is not good for the event or the hoped for performance
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Streamliner delays weren't really the issue this year, like they were last year. Every time a streamliner was set to run, people would moan and groan and assume we'd be down for an hour, but for the most part they didn't really delay things much if any more than any other competitor. People were just highly sensitive to it because of the 2006 experience.
Personally I think that as long as they set up 3 lines, they're facilitating giving preferences to some over others, which is the root cause of the issue. Maintaining a "list" doesn't solve that issue. Someone a quarter mile back in the tow rig line theoretically is ahead of someone who just pulled up and is 30 feet from the front of the bikes-only line, but it doesn't work that way. When it comes to dispatching bikes to the start line, the people up front go, regardless of the list. The list also got transcribed at least once and things got shuffled.
This is what caused so much frustration, sitting there in line all day, only to see others getting multiple turns in the same day while while passed the 48-hour of waiting mark. That's bullshit, everyone pays the same entry fee, everyone should have the same opportunity.
The only fair way to do it is to make everyone line up into a single line and go in order. Otherwise there's opportunity for screwing it up. And they WILL screw it up if there's an opportunity to do so.
You talk of abusing the volunteers, but I'll tell you what, what they were doing to us is abuse too. They found my limits. I was at the point where I really didn't care any more if they threw me out, as it would've been an improvement over the current situation. I had nothing to lose at that point. Yeah, I wish it hadn't come to that, but I'm not the one who created the situation.
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The easy solution was previously proven by result and known to the promoters from the beginning.
As far back as 1989 when Easyrider did an all bike meet with a mix of "Run What You Brung" first timers, Seasoned competitors on open bikes, 2 tracks, multiple starting areas, multiple directions, and full streamliner availability to all the space available, it worked.
Did I mention the largest spectator crowd to ever witness an LSR World Record Attempt and a video narrated by Peter Fonda that was there during the running ?
Denis was there also in 1990 when the 221+ record was set and lasted so long.
I can still remember him jumping up to see through the window to try and see the time before it was announced by the official.
All of that was managed by a relatively small crew that did a number of all bike events all over the US including Drag Racing, All Bike Rodeos, and Shows.
Both Cathy, who ran the administrative portion of the event, and Al who was the person handling the the required logistics, with their supporting crew, had never been to the salt before, but pulled it off like veterans because they knew how to do an event.
The interest of the promoter for an event has to extend from one end to the other, or neglect will prevail.
Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it can't or hasn't already been done.
NOW SCREAM
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Leslie, the girl on the Hayabusa who crashed, suffered some broken ribs as well as abrasions and possibly other injuries I'm not aware of. I had just met her and Al Lamb in our pit after our own incident with the Ack Attack. She and Al seemed like really great people. I wished her well out there. She had a huge smile and seemed real excited about running fast.
They have a long trip back to Texas, and I'm sure Al will make it as comfortable for her as possible. Ribs are a tough thing, since you can't put them in a cast or anything. I wish her the best and hope she has the courage to get back on the horse after her wounds are healed. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Then you have to decide what to do with it.
I know we'll be back. I hope Leslie and Al do to.
Rocky
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Rocky, glad you made it out alive and undamaged! That must have been quite a rush. When you get the chance to talk about it I'd really like to hear what it was like.
I've always admired the courage it must take to be closed in and go that fast. I couldn't do it. I like sit on bikes because you always have the option of jumping.
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The Kansas Bad Man here. I've read this entire thread, and agree with most, disagree with some. Everyone creates a perception about the facts as they see them.
Several people have pointed out that if everyone pays the same entry fee, everyone should be treated the same.
This is what it cost the Vincent streamliner to participate at the Bub event in 2007. The liner was entered in the Streamliner Blown Fuel class, 3000cc, with two riders. Below you'll find the itemized costs:
Entry fee paid to the Bub Meet--$650
Pilot Don Angel's AMA fee--$225
Pilot Don Angel's medical stress bill--$1200
Pilot Hartmut Weidelich's FIM license--300Euro (around $435)
Total: $2410 is what the cost was for the streamliner's entry to the Bub Meet.
Now, my question would be, if monitary amounts determine the number of runs one would be allowed, how many runs would be acceptable in the eyes of those who feel this way?
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The Kansas Bad Man here. I've read this entire thread, and agree with most, disagree with some. Everyone creates a perception about the facts as they see them.
Several people have pointed out that if everyone pays the same entry fee, everyone should be treated the same.
This is what it cost the Vincent streamliner to participate at the Bub event in 2007. The liner was entered in the Streamliner Blown Fuel class, 3000cc, with two riders. Below you'll find the itemized costs:
Entry fee paid to the Bub Meet--$650
Pilot Don Angel's AMA fee--$225
Pilot Don Angel's medical stress bill--$1200
Pilot Hartmut Weidelich's FIM license--300Euro (around $435)
Total: $2410 is what the cost was for the streamliner's entry to the Bub Meet.
Now, my question would be, if monetary amounts determine the number of runs one would be allowed, how many runs would be acceptable in the eyes of those who feel this way?
I see where you are coming from, but I can't see ever lining people up based on what it cost them. Your costs were high compared to most, but then again compare the cost of what you have in your liner since you have done most of the work to what is reported to be wrapped up in the BUB 7 liner. Would you want him to maybe get in 20 runs to your 1 run based on build costs??
One thing I have tried to promote at Speed Week is that lets give some priority to those that have successfully run over 300 mph. Let them come up a different lane and take the time they need off to the side to prepare to run and then hold things when they are ready and let them run.
I would be willing anytime to be put on hold in like to watch a 300+ mph car/bike go down the course. They are getting to be all too few now and we need to encourage them in anyway we can. Watching them are some of my fondest memories on the salt.
Granted running the streamliners in 2006 at BUB might of held things up slightly, but 5 years from now what will those of us that attended that meet remember --- one of the greatest high speed shootouts that the salt has seen, at least in a long time.
I think if BUB takes a hard look at their operating procedures they will greatly increase the efficiency of the meet and the time the streamliners take up at the meet will be negligible.
By the way since I wasn't there and didn't get to see, how did you guys do this year???
c ya,
Sum
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Hey Sum,
The cost of the machine itself should not enter in in any way as to one entry's priority over another.
(That is, in the streamliner group)
You commented that super speed should have priority, and asked how we did this year.
We set the AMA record for Vintage Streamliner Blown Fuel at 217 and change. Not a big number for those who are only looking at the number.
I'll try to explain what I mean. The liner went down the track a total of 6 times during the meet. All runs were experiencing handling problems except for the last. The transmission was taken out in the pits prior to any of the runs. We locked it in high gear, and were pulling a 1.46 gear from a dead stop--no tow up or push, with a 30" tall rear Firestone tire. The gear would have provided a 350 mph+ at 6500 rpm.
The handling caused the liner to go from side to side, and in essence the skids became plows, which scrubbed off every time they hit, approximately 20 mph. This would occur no less than five times during the run.
On the last run handling was corrected. We had already passed the 1:00 o'clock deadline and were allowed to make our last run starting at the 2 mile. Hartmut Weidelich was the pilot. I had leaned it out for more power and increased the spring pressure on the slider clutch for more slip. The liner accelerated rapidly pulling the tall, tall gear, and the engines reached 4600 rpm going into the timed mile, which equates to a little over 250 mph.
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I always liked the way Sam Wheeler does it. He would wait in line, like everyone else, then he'd sit at the start line, letting others by, until conditions were right. I don't know how many times I've come to the front of the line to find Sam sitting there, waiting for the right conditions.
I'm like Sumner, I don't mind at all a small delay in proceedings to see a 300mph pass. I do, however, categorically reject the notion that some racers should be more privileged than others with respect to waiting in line based on what they spent getting there. That's just arrogant. Everyone deserves the same opportunity.
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..................We set the AMA record for Vintage Streamliner Blown Fuel at 217 and change. Not a big number for those who are only looking at the number.......
........ We locked it in high gear, and were pulling a 1.46 gear from a dead stop--no tow up or push, with a 30" tall rear Firestone tire. The gear would have provided a 350 mph+ at 6500 rpm..................
.......On the last run handling was corrected. We had already passed the 1:00 o'clock deadline and were allowed to make our last run starting at the 2 mile. Hartmut Weidelich was the pilot. I had leaned it out for more power and increased the spring pressure on the slider clutch for more slip. The liner accelerated rapidly pulling the tall, tall gear, and the engines reached 4600 rpm going into the timed mile, which equates to a little over 250 mph.
Are you still running the Muncie??? If so, since it is 1:1 in high, why not just run a jack-shaft?? Just wondering..
Congrats on the record :-D. I have lots of pictures of your liner from different years and have always admired the work you have put into it and the small, small frontal area.
Good to see that you might have a handle on the handling. Wish you the best with it in the future,
Sum
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I prepaid my entry fee for FIM, got an expensive EKG exam, pre-paid medical, medical, etc. well over a $1K, and spent at least $5K on bike parts...and didn't get to go to Bub's. Can I roll that over for next year and go first?
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I prepaid my entry fee for FIM, got an expensive EKG exam, pre-paid medical, medical, etc. well over a $1K, and spent at least $5K on bike parts...and didn't get to go to Bub's. Can I roll that over for next year and go first?
Tell me again, how influential are your sponsors and what did you promise them ? :wink:
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I just answered some questions on this thread and posted it. It didn't show up. What happened?
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There was a woman on a turbo 'busa, Leslie(?) Porterfield, who went down at speed shortly thereafter, while we were tearing down my bike in impound. I don't know anything about the crash except someone told me she had broken some bones. I do know she had run as high as 194 earlier, so she's not some shrinking violet, she was going for it. I don't know anything about her bike
Anyone hear any updates on this lady? As one of the ambassadors for the broke wing club I'm wondering if we have a new inductee. :wink:
If anyone knows her please pass on our well wishes for a speedy recovery & the hopes that her injuries aren't too severe.
Deb
Leslie should of rolled into Dallas late last night. She has seven broken ribs and a punctured lung (no flying home). She has a few other bumps and bruises otherwise in great condition and spirits. We will be rebuilding her Busa, or building another. She will be back, rest assured.
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Max
It is likely another post occured on the same subject as you were typing yours and if after sending it you scrolled down their would be a RED warning to inficate that you might want to read it first.
If you just post it and hope it went, it might not.
Hit the backup button repatedly and hope it brings you back to your original post and send it again.
GOOD LUCK :wink:
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What's up with this thing? Just wrote my second message answering questions, posted it and it didn't come up either. Tried what you suggested, Jack. It didn't work.
P. S. If this is posted, why aren't the others?
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What's up with this thing? Just wrote my second message answering questions, posted it and it didn't come up either. Tried what you suggested, Jack. It didn't work.
P. S. If this is posted, why aren't the others?
It hates you !!! LOL
Or it may have just timed out.
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What's up with this thing? Just wrote my second message answering questions, posted it and it didn't come up either. Tried what you suggested, Jack. It didn't work.
P. S. If this is posted, why aren't the others?
It hates you !!! LOL
Or it may have just timed out.
Jack has a point there about the timed out.
If you are typing in a lot and it takes some time what I do is hold the right mouse button on and drag the mouse over my whole post then right click and then click on "copy". If it times out and loses it then you can start a new post and right click and "paste" what you had typed and then try re-posting it.
clear as mud uh................ 8-) ,
Sum
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I just get Sami to do the long ones.
She works for nuthin I think.
My secretary says "I don't get paid enough." :wink:
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There was a woman on a turbo 'busa, Leslie(?) Porterfield, who went down at speed shortly thereafter, while we were tearing down my bike in impound. I don't know anything about the crash except someone told me she had broken some bones. I do know she had run as high as 194 earlier, so she's not some shrinking violet, she was going for it. I don't know anything about her bike
Anyone hear any updates on this lady? As one of the ambassadors for the broke wing club I'm wondering if we have a new inductee. :wink:
If anyone knows her please pass on our well wishes for a speedy recovery & the hopes that her injuries aren't too severe.
Deb
Leslie should of rolled into Dallas late last night. She has seven broken ribs and a punctured lung (no flying home). She has a few other bumps and bruises otherwise in great condition and spirits. We will be rebuilding her Busa, or building another. She will be back, rest assured.
glad to hear she is OK. those plurovacs are a bitch. hope she gets better quickly.
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Leslie should of rolled into Dallas late last night. She has seven broken ribs and a punctured lung (no flying home). She has a few other bumps and bruises otherwise in great condition and spirits. We will be rebuilding her Busa, or building another. She will be back, rest assured.
Another brave lady. Wish her a quick recovery,
Sum
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glad to hear she is OK. those plurovacs are a bitch. hope she gets better quickly.
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Glen
Watch yer language !
I never heard a Tex called a "Plurovac" b4.
Dis ain't no Labusas or inside the Medical field. LOL
Deb: Can you post that picture of her at EM ?
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glad to hear she is OK. those plurovacs are a bitch. hope she gets better quickly.
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Glen
Watch yer language !
I never heard a Tex called a "Plurovac" b4.
Dis ain't no Labusas or inside the Medical field. LOL
Deb: Can you post that picture of her at EM ?
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Jack,
Glen was not the one that said that..
J
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glad to hear she is OK. those plurovacs are a bitch. hope she gets better quickly.
Glen
Watch yer language !
I never heard a Tex called a "Plurovac" b4.
Dis ain't no Labusas or inside the Medical field. LOL
Deb: Can you post that picture of her at EM ?
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Jack,
Glen was not the one that said that..
J
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Panchop are another Glen fum Phx. :wink:
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Leslie should of rolled into Dallas late last night. She has seven broken ribs and a punctured lung (no flying home). She has a few other bumps and bruises otherwise in great condition and spirits. We will be rebuilding her Busa, or building another. She will be back, rest assured.
Ouch! That's gotta hurt! :( Seven, damn!
Please pass on our well wishes to her. I hope the pain is not too bad and the meds are plentiful!!
Thanks for the update. BTW, was that her personal best top speed? If so pass on a hearty
congratulations to her too! (Sheesh I hope it was her top speed, makes the recovery period
at little easier to handle when you know you're sitting around because you've ran faster then
you've ever been! ;) )
Deb
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Deb: Can you post that picture of her at EM ?
(http://scta.wheeltramps.com/El_Mirage/ELM%202007/July/Photos/Bikes/Sized/b1679.jpg)
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Quit blaming me fer stuff I didn't say.
She's in my club and cute as hell. Besides I likes Texans.
You tell them Jack
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Glen the Older.
Do you really want me to tell them you are cute as hell ?
I can do that for you if you think you need it.
As for Leslie, she sure as hell doesn't need me to tell her. :wink:
Jack
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Glen,
Not only is she "cute as hell" she is a very nice lady and I wish her the best of luck in LSR, we even gave the builder an intercooler for her bike at the last minute so she could make it to the salt with a boosted Busa, she is a sweetheart and I hope me meets her goals and dreams.
J
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she is a sweetheart and I hope me meets her goals and dreams.
hmmm, Freudian slip?
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rotfl.gif)
Deb
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Did the road racing sidehacks from the Vintage GP make it to the salt as promised?
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she is a sweetheart and I hope me meets her goals and dreams.
hmmm, Freudian slip?
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rotfl.gif)
Deb
or a Ferdian slip, cus that sounds a little like our Freud / Ferd... :roll:
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Deb,
Funny.. :lol:
Poor thing has several broken ribs and a punctured lung so she needs all the well wishes we can send her.
I did see several side hacks at Bub's and Bob's (BAK189)was the fastest at 139?
J
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she is a sweetheart and I hope me meets her goals and dreams.
hmmm, Freudian slip?
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rotfl.gif)
Deb
or a Ferdian slip, cus that sounds a little like our Freud / Ferd... :roll:
He usually only wears a slip when he plays "dress up" at home and rarely goes out with one I am told. :wink:
I am also told to not make anybody laugh with broken ribs.
Why is that, cuz I ain't no medical ya no ?
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I remember the time when I broke six ribs when riding an enduro in So. Cal. I spent six weeks in a recliner cause I couldn't lay down. Also after a week I went to work and every SOB wanted to slap me on the back and say how ya feeling old buddy. Wasn't much fun :?
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she is a sweetheart and I hope me meets her goals and dreams.
hmmm, Freudian slip?
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rotfl.gif)
Deb
or a Ferdian slip, cus that sounds a little like our Freud / Ferd... :roll:
He usually only wears a slip when he plays "dress up" at home and rarely goes out with one I am told. :wink:
I am also told to not make anybody laugh with broken ribs.
Why is that, cuz I ain't no medical ya no ?
hmm, then maybe we should refrain from showing her this thread until she's feeling a little better! :evil:
Also after a week I went to work and every SOB wanted to slap me on the back and say how ya feeling old buddy. Wasn't much fun :?
You know after my collarbone surgery my orthopedic suggested I wear the arm brace any time I was in public whether I felt I needed it or not. I continued to wear it just because of people wanting to smack me in the arm! Todd was the worse offender and of course would have felt the worst if he had managed to land a good nudge, luckily we all know I'm faster then him! (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rotfl.gif)
Deb
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Yep, the rumors are true! I have 7 broken ribs and a punctured lung. Several bruises, the worst one is to my ego :-D. The doc wouldn't clear me to fly, so we drove back. I'm feeling pretty well, all things considered. I asked the doctor if I could ride again in a couple of weeks and he looked at me like I was crazy. Six to eight weeks down, then I'll be back with in full force! I guess it will give me enough time to fix my bike. It's wounded too. My first time at Bonneville was a great experience (until that last run.....) Everyone was great, and I had a wonderful time. I want to say thanks to everyone who stopped by the hospital, sent e-mails, and called me. Land Speed Racers are a darned good group of people. I plan on being back out there hauling butt as soon as they will let me! Thanks to Scott for all of your help and sleep deprivation getting my bike ready. It ran great until I wadded it up! It looks like I have created some more work for you....
Leslie
Thanks for the hook up on the intercooler, John!
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Leslie,
It was a pleasure to meet you and everyone is bummed about your get off at speed.
You will be back and ready to run soon however if you heal up fast enough and the bike can get repaired you might look at the Texas mile for a shakedown run or two?
I am glad that you are OK
John
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I registered for the Texas Mile a couple of months ago. Considering it's in early October, it doesn't look likely that I will make it. If there is any way possible, you bet I will!
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Leslie,
Good to see you posting & welcome to the board! 8 weeks will go by fast & luckily you're in a warm climate so the winter weather won't stand in your way from riding!
Was that your top LSR speed at Bub?
Heal fast & hope you're not in too much pain (or at least that you have the good drugs!)
Deb
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Welcome to LR.com Leslie. Sorry to hear about your get off, but glad you're well enough to post here and look forward to your own re-entry.
Deb(dahmurf) and many others before you are familiar with your downtime, anticipation, second guessing, etc. that's affiliated with your current position... so don't go beating yourself up mentally as you're physically going through more then enough as it is. There was even some that privately put Deb down about her get off(before the rescue wagon ever left the track with her in it and while she was still in the ER), but they are the ones that do it to make themselves feel better about where they are at in life, certainly not ones that matter to those in the know of this sport. In other words, don't worry about your ego being bruised a little as most never put enough of their own pride out in the open(like you are doing) to scar it or build character in it like you have(and are apparently willing to continue to do). :wink:
Looking forward to hearing about the incident if you decide to share it(it could be healing for you, and would undoubtedly be helpful to the rest of us), and I promise you will not be judged about it from this corner(Deb and I both have enough scars and bruises in our past to do nothing more then listen and learn).
Heal quick if you can... just concentrate more on healing strong.
Best wishes,
Todd
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Todd was the worse offender and of course would have felt the worst if he had managed to land a good nudge,
Not really... remember how hard you hit me when you were taking me to the hospital? :x
luckily we all know I'm faster then him! (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rotfl.gif)
Ohhh, reeaallll nice!
So what... I can pee standing up!!! :-P
Todd
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Thanks! It's good to be here. I can't do much right now, and my shop is closed on Mondays so I'm using my day to rest and do a bit of work on the computer. I ran my turbo bike for the first time Thursday. My first run was great- got it up to 227 and had it pinned about halfway through the timed mile when, of all things, I SNEEZED! It fogged up my shield, my eyes were watering, so I pulled in the clutch until I regrouped. That pass ended up being 186-ish. I was aggravated afterwards! I sneezed.......of all things....
Second pass was about 196. The wind hit me or something and I was riding sideways. It straightened out but started going into a tank slapper for about 1 1/2 miles. It was hairy until about mile 6! I rode it out fine, but didn't get the speed I wanted.
The third and final pass I got into a violent tank slapper pretty early. I don't recall much of the details. The data logger showed that I fought it and tried to straighten it out for about 30 seconds before it pitched me off. I was at about 100mph. I was knocked out cold for a short time, and a little loopy for a while after that. I'm hoping to get the data from the ride and figure out how NOT to do that again. Shouldn't have gone for that one last run!!!! I still don't know where my helmet ended up. The ambulance had it, but it never made it's way to me. Hope I make sense. I'm on some heavy drugs.
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Thanks! It's good to be here. I can't do much right now, and my shop is closed on Mondays so I'm using my day to rest and do a bit of work on the computer.
just being nosy here, what kind of shop?
I ran my turbo bike for the first time Thursday. My first run was great- got it up to 227 and had it pinned about halfway through the timed mile when, of all things, I SNEEZED! It fogged up my shield, my eyes were watering, so I pulled in the clutch until I regrouped. That pass ended up being 186-ish. I was aggravated afterwards! I sneezed.......of all things....
Awesome, that totally rocks!!!! Congratulations on the 227!!!
OMG, the sneeze totally sucks! (and yet I'm laughing, not at you though, just at the dumb luck!) What a way to louse up a run!
I wrote in another post about both of my contact lenses lifting starting about half track at Maxton in March. I waited 3 hours for that run & refused to let out! I just kept blinking to keep my bearings! LOL Lost about 10mph on the run but it was on my stock busa so I was only running in the 180's anyway! (I now wear glasses when I race & am looking at getting laser surgery over the winter)
Second pass was about 196. The wind hit me or something and I was riding sideways. It straightened out but started going into a tank slapper for about 1 1/2 miles. It was hairy until about mile 6! I rode it out fine, but didn't get the speed I wanted.
The third and final pass I got into a violent tank slapper pretty early. I don't recall much of the details. The data logger showed that I fought it and tried to straighten it out for about 30 seconds before it pitched me off. I was at about 100mph. I was knocked out cold for a short time, and a little loopy for a while after that. I'm hoping to get the data from the ride and figure out how NOT to do that again. Shouldn't have gone for that one last run!!!! I still don't know where my helmet ended up. The ambulance had it, but it never made it's way to me. Hope I make sense. I'm on some heavy drugs.
Well heck, you had to try again after hitting 227, can't say I blame you there! Well hopefully the data logger & witness accounts can help you sort things out. Maybe you'll be able to make the last El Mirage meet this year! Keep us posted on your progress & thanks for sharing the details.
Deb
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Thanks Deb! It's amazing what all you have to take into account... sneezing....contact lens lift... I almost laughed but thought better of it!
To answer your question, I own a motorcycle shop in Dallas. It's a used bike shop, mostly late model, all makes. I love it. It helps feed my motorcycle addiction.
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227 is remarkable speed for the condition of the salt. You'll fly when you get a chance to ride on some really good salt, (and its easier to keep the bike straight).
congratulations and heal quickly
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From a fellow female landspeed racer, sorry you had to go through an experience like that. Heal fast and take care of yourself. Trillium
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Thanks for checking in, Leslie. You were doing a GREAT job out there. Going those speeds in those conditions took pure courage. As I mentioned before, my bike scared me multiple times and I was relieved to bring it home in one piece. Heal fast.
Rocky, there was a HUGE sigh of relief in the pit area when they came over the PA system and told us you were OK. I watched your crash and it was flat scary looking. That's a well built machine, to crash that hard and then see you walk away is a testament to the design and construction. Anyway, we're all really glad you're fine.
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Rocky, there was a HUGE sigh of relief in the pit area when they came over the PA system and told us you were OK. I watched your crash and it was flat scary looking. That's a well built machine, to crash that hard and then see you walk away is a testament to the design and construction. Anyway, we're all really glad you're fine.
oops, Rocky, I didn't mean to "forget" you in my response. I just read this & realized I did. DOH! We are also glad to hear you are ok and it's great to see you posting here! When do you expect to be back and giving it another go?
Deb
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Mike and the Ack crew built one tough machine. Other than a little salt abrasion and a sore neck, I was extremely happy to be able to walk away uninjured. All the safety mechanisms worked properly. We probably shouldn't have been pushing so hard given the conditions. We believed we had a shot at the record and took it. Our initial speeds suggested we were on track before things got ugly. Mike and the crew have their work cut out for them but will have an even better machine for next year. They are the best... I know this will be the last time we run under marginal conditions.
We don't want this to happen again!
(photo by Claude McKee) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/IMG_6387crop.jpg)
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40 years from now.
1st Grandma: "I made a batch of cookies."
2nd Grandma: "I knitted a shawl."
Leslie: "In 07' at Bonneville my second pass was about 196. The wind hit me or something and I was riding sideways. It straightened out but started going into a tank slapper for about 1 1/2 miles."
Yep, that's a story for the grandkids.
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Finally made it home last night.....we had a challenging two weeks.......not as bad as Leslie, but still problems......our "Bonneville Boogy Van"
stopped running on the salt....Jim Yates loaned us his pick-up for a couple of days (many thanks Jim)
and Craig Anderson towed our trailer back to SoCal (thanks Craig)......as we all know the salt was not good, however, we did set a AMA sidecar record, but it was not a easy record, bad traction and cross winds made for a exiting run.........we only got the record due to the sidecar driving skills
of Larry C and passenger Warren R.........we now know how much cross-winds a sidecar with a "Dustbin" can take...(we will have numbers in the Dustbin report.... Jack D was right AGAIN)
Regarding the BUB Meet...............registration was very good..............Tech. this year was much better....
AMA-Ken and FIM-Charlie were there to solve most problems..........the line-up to run was very
bad.......here is my 2 cents worth...................................
move the pits back to between mile 0 and the start of the short course ( why do the pits have to be in the middle of the timed mile/kilo)....line the racers up in one line next to the pits(first come first serve) the short course people turn left to the start of the short course.........the long course turn right to start at mile 0......RWYB course on the other side of the pits....the start to be right even with the pits(short ride to the start) make all AMA record runs ONE WAY (FIM still two-ways)
put the smaller displacement bikes on the RWYB Course for record runs (one-way)....and pray for good salt!!!!!!!!! Just some thoughts.....B.B.
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Jack D is not always right.
Sometimes he is right, then left, and then right again, only to leave you dangling.
Bob is as close as I would expect him to be looking at the problems and he has ideas for solutions.
That is about as good as you can expect from a single point of view.
That attitude, adjusted for other views, is what is going to keep this thing going into the future so that someday when some of us get old (Guthrie and Bakker are older than me) we can look back fondly at a lifetime commitment.
If I agreed with those two, I would be riding the TZ-750 Sidecar that Rob built.
We do all agree that Coleman would drive..
It ain't gonna happen.
The cool part is they will have more time to tell you all about it.
Ferd can even back it up with pictures.
The point of all this if you were holding your breath is "Don't make the same mistake the first time." :wink:
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This morning I looked over the "BUB REPORT"
and all the complains people had regarding the event...........certainly a lot of the people were "right on" There is still a lot of room for improvement.........but each year is better than the previous. A record amount of racers this year made for long waiting lines. My company has supported the event with both sponsorship and labor......we pay full entry fees.......pay our own hotel
bills.......but we do come out 3 to 4 days early to help set up the course and help with various things that need to be done. I know for a fact that many of the "racers" were already in Wendover many days prior to the event...........next year people, how about comming out to the salt to help set up for the event. There was a post regarding costs............we had 3 solo bikes and 1 sidecar entered...........due to some problems of our own and the long waiting lines.....the solo bikes never made it out of the trailer......so the entry dollars became a donation to the BUB Speed Trials..........hey, racing costs money.......if you can't handle the costs find something else to do.
I I know that Jason will be smiling all the way to the bank.......he certainly got a good return for his entry investment. People keep talking how well the BNI event is handled.........hey, they have been doing it since 1949........ by now they know what it takes to put on a race meet...........I raced at Bonneville in 1954 (18 years old) with SCTA.........and I recall there were some problems.....
they were also in a learning process at that time.
Put your complains on paper or E-Mail and let BUB know .............constructive input is helpfull...........
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Mike and the Ack crew built one tough machine. Other than a little salt abrasion and a sore neck, I was extremely happy to be able to walk away uninjured.... (snip)
(photo by Claude McKee) (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/IMG_6387crop.jpg)
So I just have to ask, is it weird to look at that picture & see yourself tumbling from the outside view?
Deb
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Another photo of Leslie before the Crash. A great and brave woman.
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Geeez, a hottie that has a motorcycle shop, races motorcycles, has a nasty crash and is ready to get right back on the bike and go again, that right there boys is the perfect woman, wait, don't suppose you also have a bar in your bike shop? :-D
Seriously though, glad that you are essentially OK, well wishes on a speedy recovery!
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"So I just have to ask, is it weird to look at that picture & see yourself tumbling from the outside view?"
The first time I saw the pictures, and then the video on youtube, it didn't really sink in that it was even me. My wife has yet to look at any of the pictures or the video. Now it kind of brings back memories of the whole thing, though I think my brain has it on looping video!
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The BUB results are up:
http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2007_event/results-07.html (http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2007_event/results-07.html)
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anybody know what happened with the JP guys and my old liner? it looks like they only recorded 3 passes.....
kent
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Kent, I visited the JP pit on Thurs and they were chasing a spark gremlin. Don't know if they found it for sure. It's a great looking liner and will go fast one day I'm sure. Nice bunch of guys too! PLC
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A great highlight was watching Marty Dickinson, now eighty years old, mount his Vincent with the cameras clicking away and then make a couple 140 mph runs! I bet he has a couple stories to tell...
Would anyone happen to have one of those photos of Dickinson on his Vincent? A friend of mine new him "way back when" and did some work for him and I think my friend would enjoy seeing the picture.
Thanks,
Doug