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Title: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 26, 2007, 09:18:10 PM
Our new intake system needs to go through the window.


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Our new intercooler.  16x18x12 trying to cool the air down to ambient temps.

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Rust that has been building for 17 years.


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Rust removal by me! 

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The car with the hood off.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on June 26, 2007, 10:59:34 PM
Looks to me like a job for one of those highly advertised rust paints!

I notice that you have a fitness program going on over in the corner. That going to help with the thrash to get ready?

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on June 27, 2007, 12:18:43 AM
Nice car, I am curious about your motor do you mind telling us a little?

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on June 27, 2007, 01:07:07 AM
Are those two centrifugal blowers or compressors off of turbos adapted to belt drive??

Mind tell us more about the intercooler construction also.

Nice work.  I love the intake manifold.  You make that also??

Too bad I didn't get to see your car also on my trip through Calif.  :cry: .

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2007, 02:06:05 AM
The motor that is in it is a 528 KB hemi.  Record at El Mirage since '90, and a soft record in Bville in '03.  The motor that is going in will be 496 and we will start building it later this week or early next.  The blowers are procharger, and we are trying to get a single one instead of running two, we are waiting for a price.  The intercooler was made by Bell, and my dad designed and welded most of the outer core himself.  The final welding will be done by someone else.  We are still waiting on a dry sump tank and just received the new belts on monday.  Still lots to do.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on June 27, 2007, 09:31:08 AM
Feels like it's getting close doesn't it...  :wink:  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2007, 02:57:39 PM
After everyday, the tension builds to be done.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2007, 07:31:57 PM
The new blower was ordered today and should ship in two weeks.  We are supposed to get 35 psi out of it.  We were getting about 26 out of two of these.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 37str on June 28, 2007, 10:49:19 PM

    I would check to see if it is legal to run the intake through the window be fore you do it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 29, 2007, 12:50:35 AM
I haven't seen anything that says that it can't be done. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 29, 2007, 12:58:29 AM
Some more pictures.

cleaning the inside for a new coat of paint.

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Our transmission (Owens), floor boards getting ready for paint.

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What's this?  Yes a brand spankin new 496ci Stage 8 KB Hemi!!!!

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CP pistons with dykes rings and the rods by Brooks B2


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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on June 30, 2007, 02:13:22 PM
Sure looks cheap...
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on June 30, 2007, 02:53:57 PM
To convey the concept, use the word.......inexpensive.
Then you need a SMILEY FACE with a tongue in cheek.
Anything but cheap.
FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 30, 2007, 08:26:04 PM
Sure looks cheap...


Your right there are a few things in these pictures that are cheap, the rusted out tape measure, the old screw driver and dykes and the pepsi can.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on June 30, 2007, 10:29:12 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2007, 12:38:18 AM
some good news and some not so good.  First the good news, we have 90% of our coatings finished.

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The bad news is...  We went to do a final wash of the block, so we could put the crank in and check clearances when we noticed that KB had not drilled the block for any water holes!!!!  AAAAHHHH!!!  So now we are a little behind, that's racing!  If you look close enough you can see six pensiled in holes where the water holes are supposed to be.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landracing on July 02, 2007, 12:45:55 AM
I know why that is, its because you only spent the money on the Stage 8 KB, you needed to purchase the Stage 9 Kit...

Hope it gets done in time,,, If not can I have your rooms??? :)

Jon
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2007, 01:17:27 AM
What rooms?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2007, 01:19:02 AM
We still have a 528 motor that is complete if we need it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Carl Johansson on July 02, 2007, 01:20:00 AM
Where are you at In Fresno?  I live in Auberry and work in Fresno.  Running a GT - C car and a motorcycle, 

Carl Johansson
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2007, 02:10:50 AM
I live in fresno near Bullard High, and my dad and the car are in the clovis foothills.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2007, 11:07:11 PM
Today we spoke to KB about the water block not being drilled for water use, and even though they were told it was being used for Bonneville their reply was that they didn't know we wanted it for water use.  That being said the guy was very helpful I was told.  So we pulled the sleeves out so we could grind on the inside of the block so water would pass by the sleeves.  Next is to drill the deck for the holes, another day gone by without progress.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 04, 2007, 01:46:53 AM
All deck water holes have been drilled and the sleeves are ready to go back in.  Looks like we will be working on getting the sleeves back in the block on the 4th.  I will try to remember my camera so I can show you all the grinding we had to do; just in case you have to do it in the future. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 04, 2007, 06:34:55 PM
This picture shows the water grooves we had to make and the water holes that were drilled.

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This one shows the middle studs put in, just in case we need to hold the sleeves down after we put them in.

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We finally got all the sleeves put back in and are ready for final cleaning and crank.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 06, 2007, 01:30:46 AM
Only got a few things done today.  Getting ready to put the water tanks back in the trunk.  Will be putting the 496 together this week end.  Will post pictures of the build.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2007, 12:02:10 PM
We finally found someone to weld our intercooler up for us.  Thanks Carl for trying to help us out in locating a welder.  We are not for away from your location, give me a call and you could come visit our shop.  Location is off of 168 and Sample RD. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Ervin on July 08, 2007, 10:39:19 AM
What did you use to 'coat' your floor pan??? I went by Rick Haynes' shop a couple weeks ago and he showed me salt/rust damage on his car and trailer. He ran in 06, so thats less than a year ago.EVERYTHING needs to be coated and or plated.
 I was just looking for advice on the BEST coating, that you or others would recommend before I subjected my car to the salt?

 ERVIN
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 08, 2007, 12:01:37 PM
POR-15 and spray all metal parts with salt-x, this subject comes up every season. I pressure wash my truck and let it dry. After I spray about 2 gallons of SALT-X on the entire bottom side, including the engine, transmission etc. I also use a gallon of thinner mixed with one Qt. of oil and spray all of the suspension and springs. Both are sprayed on with a Hudson sprayer. When I get home I pressure wash the under side again and then run a sprinkler under it for several hours. When it dries I crawl under it again with a hose and good hose nozzle for another rinse. This usually required a couple of inspections and another rinse or two.

The next day I spray the entire bottom again with salt-X. This product can be purchased via e-mail   www.salt-x.com. Good luck on the salt, the trip, and the clean up.
Glen :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 08, 2007, 12:07:36 PM
What did you use to 'coat' your floor pan??? I went by Rick Haynes' shop a couple weeks ago and he showed me salt/rust damage on his car and trailer. He ran in 06, so thats less than a year ago.EVERYTHING needs to be coated and or plated.
 I was just looking for advice on the BEST coating, that you or others would recommend before I subjected my car to the salt?

 ERVIN

Loctite makes a spray that converts light rust into a paintable surface.  I ground away most of the rust and then used the spray.  You need to let it sit for 24 hours before painting.  On the paint I used Glidden alkyd oil based paint.   It has rust preventitives in the paint and is made for metal. 

     As far as clean up after the salt, Glens way that he describes is great.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 08, 2007, 12:30:05 PM
Isn't that why they call it Bonneville loc-tite. Ask a few that didn't do a good clean up and find the spindles frozen to the pins or worse. The other thing is when you get home don't forget the trailer. Pull the wheels, hubs and do a good clean up as most have electric brakes and require additional attention. While parked on the spray the trailer plug with WD 40 and put a baggie over it. If you have a slide in receiver I soak a sponge in oil and push it into the receiver ( cut to size) I forgot one year and had to put a chain around the ball and attach the other end to a telephone pole to pull it out. A good thing to do is make a check list for prep and clean up as it's easy to forget little things. Just hosing off ain't enough. I am sure others will add to this info list and hopefully Jon can compile it on the web site for easy access.
Glen :-D :?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2007, 01:10:26 AM
These are the products we used.  On the left is a roof coating that we used as a waterproofer under the two water tanks.  It is also paintable.  When we put ice in our intercooler box it get so cold the condensation settles at the bottom of the floor boards.  We also used the roof coating in the wheel wells over the oil based paint to help keep moisture or salt from getting to the metal.  The roof coating will get another coat of oil base on top of it to give it a better shine for cleaning.

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This shows the bottom of where the two tanks sit.  We put silicone in all the places that water might settle.  Just need to put one more coat of oil on it and were done.

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Here we cut some steel out to cover the oil galley so we can keep more oil in the lower end of the block.  Used Devcon to adhere to the block.

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Putting the crank in and checking clearances.  The red strip is a piece of wax to check how much clearance is between the crank and the bearings. 

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Hammering down the caps.  Had to double check one bearing clearance because we thought we might of hit the cap too hard and squished the wax before we torqued it.

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Our gage for measuring clearances.

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checking end play of the crank.

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Crank is set and in for good.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on July 09, 2007, 04:18:41 AM
Nice work. Thanks for all the photos, you will be the inspiration for alot of people :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 09, 2007, 10:31:11 AM
Nice work  :-D.

Something you might want to consider is instead of the silicone get "seam sealer" from a store that sells auto paint.  I think it will stick and last longer than the silicone.  Paint the surface, let it dry, apply the seam sealer, wipe the joint with your finger and then repaint the joint.  It is used extensively by auto painters and really does a great job and is inexpensive and will seal the seam forever.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2007, 09:14:02 PM
should be getting the dry sump system this week, and the procharger next week.  Still a lot to do.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 09, 2007, 09:28:33 PM
Ya got 32 days to finish and be on the salt, stay off the computer and keep working. lol
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 11, 2007, 01:53:20 AM
Putting the Arias (cp) pistons in the block.

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Still have the stickers on the car.

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Saving some money putting our engine together ourselves.

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The dykes upper ring.

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Long rod engines require notched buttons for the oil ring.

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Pistons are in.

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This last piston was one reason our record in 03 was so soft.  The valve end broke and was getting tossed around on top of this piston all before the first timed mile.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 11, 2007, 02:01:18 AM
Intercooler is finished and will be picked up tomorrow.  I will post more pictures then.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 12, 2007, 10:28:54 AM
Intercooler is welded up and ready to cool.

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A little set back.  The rods hit the pan so we had to grind the pan to make clearances for the rods.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1212FBGS on July 12, 2007, 12:18:02 PM
I like everything except those piston pin buttons...the alum to steel will tack together and turn ever so slightly back and forth with the pin and then hammer that oil ring. next time make them out of Teflon. other than that your doing a great job... hope it runs as good as your work.
kent
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 12, 2007, 12:20:42 PM
What can I say, we've been using those buttons for years and so have many racers without any of those problems that you speak of.  And when this car does run it is usually well over the records at bonneville.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 01:07:15 AM
Getting ready for the new blower to come, so we had to take our old blower system out of the car.

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Put one of the water tanks in the back of the car.  This is the engine water tank.  The larger intercooler tank sits on top of this one.
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Put all of the studs in the block for the heads, they will be put on eventually.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 01:39:18 AM
Ya got 32 days to finish and be on the salt, stay off the computer and keep working. lol

Glen, one of the first post that I did I stated I would soon be addicted to this site.  I have to check in every so often.  Oh and leave a picture here and there.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 11:49:01 AM
Still lots to do, waiting on some parts for engine assembly.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on July 13, 2007, 03:30:30 PM
It looks like you guys have spared no expense on the engine build. It ought to run really good. Hope it goes like you expect it to. Good luck and go FAST.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 09:30:32 PM
thanks Gary, if runs like we want it to it will be a big leap in the record.  Good luck to you as well.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 13, 2007, 10:30:12 PM
Bvillercr
Glad to see you're hooked on the site. Good job keeping us updated on the progress/build. Are you going to El Mirage this week end? If not will see you at speed week. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 11:42:21 PM
Too much to do to get to Mirage.  See you at Bville.  Troy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 14, 2007, 02:39:54 PM
Took the old engine out.  Time to clean and paint the engine compartment.  A lot of assembly to next week.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JGMagoo on July 15, 2007, 12:41:38 AM
WOW!

Now THIS is why this site is addicting!

Man, you guys do nice work! And THANKS for all the neat pics!

Beautiful!

Jim McNaul
JGMagoo
Silverthorne, Colo.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2007, 02:15:40 AM
Our water injection system.  This will be changed to a single air intake with the same principle.  We are going to a single procharger.

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The basic injector nossle with an enderly jet.

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Water injector tank.  Notice the multi colored markings?  If we do not use sealed bottled water and get inspected as it goes in and get then get it sealed we could be accused of using some sort of fuel additive which would put us in a fuel class. 

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The aluminum lid is put on because we blew of the plastic twist lid when the boost came up.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 15, 2007, 07:23:48 PM
On this set up we have had reading of up to 380 degrees at 32 psi.  Which seems high but that's 75% adiabatic effecient at 90 degrees ambient.  But that's after we inject water.  We have never taken the temp without h20 injection.  That is why we like to inject water into the impeller, because at 380 degrees the water evaporates and also cools the blower.  The intercoolers that we have been using were mac truck 4"radiator cores.  Mark Johnsons dad, (Lawrence) made them for us at his radiator shop in 1989.  4x4x16 we were able to cool the temps to 250 degrees.  Hope to get a whole lot more of a temp drop (like down to 100) with this new intercooler pictured in this build page. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2007, 08:53:49 PM
Fresh coat of paint for the engine compartment.

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Just got our new blower and water injection system.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on July 15, 2007, 11:08:37 PM
ya always like to see a guy spraying water into an operating electrical device.  Leather is a poor insulator, wear rubber gloves...  :roll:  Of course if you used a gas powered it would count in your inch count, ya got some to spare don't you?   :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2007, 11:33:19 PM
ya always like to see a guy spraying water into an operating electrical device.  Leather is a poor insulator, wear rubber gloves...  :roll:  Of course if you used a gas powered it would count in your inch count, ya got some to spare don't you?   :wink:

Leather,  do you ride a motorcycle?  We can spare 4 cid before the next class change.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on July 16, 2007, 10:53:11 PM
So you could use gas...  Couldn't tell if those were red cow welding gloves or red cow servicers...  :roll: but I like the concept... keep up the good work, see ya on the salt.  8-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2007, 10:36:12 AM
More maintenance on the car.  We got our cam package late yesterday and will assemble it on Wed.  Heads are out for re-freshening and should have them back later this week or early next.   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2007, 01:23:28 AM
Got the new 6" intake tubing for the inlet side of the blower.  The dry sump tank has been shipped and the blower is in the process of being made.  Still optimistic about making it to bville.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2007, 11:50:05 PM
Did a few things today while waiting for all of our parts to come.  We installed our new push bar system on the push truck, took off the old harmonic balancer, cleaned and repaired the inter-cooler water tank.  We are waiting on our heads, blower, dry sump tank, injector nozzles and some miscellaneous little stuff.  We cannot put the engine in until the heads are finished and we cannot plumb the pipe until the blower gets here.  We are starting to feel that we might not make it; but we are sure going to try! 
    Here is a picture of our new air intake.  It was five inches and now with the new blower it is six!  Not sure how it is going to fit yet.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on July 19, 2007, 12:16:06 AM
We are starting to feel that we might not make it; but we are sure going to try! 
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Hey great thread and great job! And I do know how you feel about starting to feel like you are not going to make it, I am in the same boat with my bike.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 19, 2007, 10:57:02 AM
Thanks Scott, we are doing what we can to make it.  Time is short.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2007, 11:09:40 AM
finally some good news.  The blower shipped on Thursday and should be here on Monday.  Lots of fab work to do on it so we will see how long it will take. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2007, 01:16:54 AM
Have a lot of family commitments this weekend, so I'm getting late starts in helping with the car.  Today I got the bellhousing and the clutch off the old motor water tested the inter-cooler water tank, no leaks!!!  We also got the cam installed with only a few hick-ups, it's dialed in now.  Here some pictures of the procedure.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1523.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1524.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on July 22, 2007, 01:35:35 AM
Have a lot of family commitments this weekend, so I'm getting late starts in helping with the car.  Today I got the bellhousing and the clutch off the old motor water tested the inter-cooler water tank, no leaks!!!  We also got the cam installed with only a few hick-ups, it's dialed in now.  Here some pictures of the procedure.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1523.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1524.jpg)

Two questions:

#1 Why is the cam copper colored??

#2 On the second to last bearing on the cam and the very first there appears to be a line with an oiling journal....is it? And why don't the other ones have it as well?

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on July 22, 2007, 01:44:40 AM
Troy,

The last question will be - can you put the camera down and use two hands to work on the racer?

DW
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2007, 01:55:24 AM
Troy,

The last question will be - can you put the camera down and use two hands to work on the racer?

DW

It was only two pictures this time.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 22, 2007, 09:41:09 AM
Troy:

Don't listen to Dan. I think everyone's enjoying the coverage and cheering on your progress. Besides which you probably need the breaks!

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on July 22, 2007, 12:42:32 PM
Troy,
  Keep up the good work.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 22, 2007, 12:51:35 PM
Two questions:

#1 Why is the cam copper colored??

#2 On the second to last bearing on the cam and the very first there appears to be a line with an oiling journal....is it? And why don't the other ones have it as well?

Scott

Sorry, I'll just hop in here.

That is just the coating the cam billets have on their solid roller grinds

BB Mopars oil the rocker shafts through a hole in the block and head that feeds through the #4 cam journal.

But now I have a question.  How thick is that head gasket???
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2007, 04:08:59 PM
The color is a heat treatment and your right on with the hole in the cam.  We were using 45's and now it's 60.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 22, 2007, 06:25:08 PM
Just the light in the pic makes it look like .100 or so.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 23, 2007, 11:33:11 PM
yesterday we got a few things done and found something disturbing.  The disturbing part is that the cover for the cam where the fuel pump attaches was wrong.  The new cam gear has a wider spacing on its bolt pattern.  We now have to have it machined so the bolts don't hit the cover when the cam rotates.  Some things that were done. 

Had to grind out a larger hole for one of our new emergency electrical shut off switches.

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1528.jpg)

We had to put on a new push bar for the rear bumper.  It got welded after I left.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1525.jpg)

Today we worked on some maintenance and the new dry sump tank.  Had to put a screen over our inter-cooler hose so the new pump wouldn't suck any ice into it.  Worked on getting the dash cleaned up and the major part was the dry sump. 

We had to cut and grind on the removable front end to get the dry sump to fit inside of it when we slid it on.  The attachment will be on the front frame rail of the car, this will be done in the next day or two. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1526.jpg)

We get our heads on Tuesday and we think we missed the fed ex delivery of the blower today.  These next few days will be busy.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 24, 2007, 08:53:44 AM
Looks like you're really humpin'.  Let us know if you need us to send Mountain Dew!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2007, 09:59:54 AM
I forgot to add this one yesterday, the first time we could sit down and have a beer since working on this rebuild.  It was beer 30.  Send as much Mountain dew as you want.  We could use it.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on July 24, 2007, 12:41:16 PM
Two questions:
#1 Why is the cam copper colored??
Scott
[/quote]
It is copper plated. Cams are copper plated before they are ground so when they harden the lobes the shaft isn't as hard because the copper prevents the nitride from getting to it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2007, 01:10:34 PM
I can't remember the official term for the copper plating but this is close.  "Carborization"  It helps keep the carbon structure intact when it goes through heat treatment it doesn't lose strength. 
   
     Speed limit 1000:

I'm not sure if this is the same thing as what you wrote about the nitride, if it is thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on July 24, 2007, 05:10:39 PM
I really hope you can get it together and run this year. I am notorious for waiting till the last minute to get a project done but feel I work better under the pressure and would not have it any other way....looks like you likely fall into that category as well.


Keep the pics and updates coming.



-JH


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2007, 11:05:03 PM
Some good news, we got our blower, heads and fuel pump cover back today.  I was unable to work on the car today, but I was told the blower inlet and impeller look massive and impressive compared to our old ones.  I will post some new pictures on Wednesday evening. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on July 24, 2007, 11:51:31 PM
Some good news, we got our blower, heads and fuel pump cover back today.  I was unable to work on the car today, but I was told the blower inlet and impeller look massive and impressive compared to our old ones.  I will post some new pictures on Wednesday evening. 

I am enjoying watching your build, I hope you guys make it I would love to see you run! So which one are you in the pic so I can say hello if I see you in Bonneville?

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2007, 01:02:00 AM
I am the son, my dad is John or you may occasionally see jl222 on the message board.  It would be great to meet you and I hope to see you run as well.  Everyone is welcome to stop by our pits anytime, we welcome people to say hi and look at the car.  It is still amateur racing and we like to keep that atmosphere in our pits.  Good luck to ya.  Troy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 26, 2007, 02:13:19 AM
Finished a few things today.  The push bar on the car got its final grind on the welds, the inner-cooler tank is back in the car and the dash board has been painted.  Here are some pictures of the tank and our new blower.

The inner-cooler tank all bolted in.

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Our blower is huge.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1532.jpg)

This an impeller off of our old Vortech, from many years ago.  The Vortech put out 1700 cfm, our new Procharger puts out 4000.

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Here's a picture with the case off.  The impeller is impressive.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1537.jpg)

The gear case is much bigger than our old Procharger. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1536.jpg)

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1541.jpg)

The old blowers are off.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1539.jpg)

The new blower getting sized up for a temporary fit.  It needs to be modified which will happen Thursday.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1540.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 26, 2007, 09:32:25 PM
Holee Shee that in a big unit you have there!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on July 26, 2007, 10:11:06 PM
Still have the stickers on the car.

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This last piston was one reason our record in 03 was so soft.  The valve end broke and was getting tossed around on top of this piston all before the first timed mile.

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Great taste in decals, troy.  Those are good for an extra 25 MPH :wink:

Looks like your piston has a built-in burst panel...are you sure Warner didn't do that in post-record tech?

Nick 3rd.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on July 26, 2007, 10:52:15 PM
I have been known to be heavy handed with my cert tools.

DW
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 27, 2007, 12:49:06 AM
Things should start to come together pretty quickly now.  This is our inner-cooler pump, mounted it today.  It is supposed to pump 55 gpm, so on a typical Bonneville run it should cycle our tank a few times. 

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1542.jpg)

Drilled all of our holes for the dry sump support bracket.  Need to get it welded up and fitted.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1546.jpg)

The engine is all timed and ready for all of the other parts.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1545.jpg)

We also had to get the blower in a close proximity on its brace so we could get a belt tooth count so we can call and see if there is a belt size available.  Will keep you all updated.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2007, 10:35:52 AM
Hit some snags on the A motor that put us a little behind.  If we make Bonneville we might be running the AA motor, we will find out sometime today if the A motor will be used or not. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2007, 11:08:43 AM
We will be running the A motor, and bonneville is going to be close.  We tried using our pushrods from our AA motor and they were too long.  Our new cam is bigger in diameter so the push rods would not work.  They will be here soon.  Still plenty to do until they come.  The motor will go in on saturday, if not we will be late getting to bonneville.  My home internet modem went out so I can't post pictures at this time.  We are still trying, got home late last night and will be doing the same all week. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 02, 2007, 10:56:18 AM
Yesterday we had to dial indicate the bell-housing to the block and put in pins to keep it from moving.  Of course it took longer than expected!  Today we expect to put the flywheel, clutch, bell-housing, starter, and oil pump on the block and then put the engine in the car(finally)!  I have lots of pictures that I will post on Friday when my internet gets back on line. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2007, 04:21:49 AM
Engine is finally in the car!!!  I would never guess that all the new components that we have that it would be such a mess.  The gremlins come out at night after we finish and steal all of our nuts and bolts, or things that we need but can't find.  Mod after mod, or should I say altered.  After all that is the class we run.  Every little thing has been a small but time consuming problem.  Take for example the starter, you would think that it would just bolt on.  Nnnoooo, we had to shave the side of the block and the support bracket in order for it to have the right engagement and play.  Yeah just venting whewwwwww.  Today is another day.  Pictures soon I promise.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 03, 2007, 08:40:18 AM
Looking forward to the pics!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2007, 11:54:17 PM
Ok my computers is up again so here are some pictures to bring the car up to date.

Some good reading material for every situation of car racing.

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The questioned was asked by isiahstites about why the cam was copper, here's the answer.

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My dad got a candid of me torquing the heads down.

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Heads are now on.

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The front engine mount is on.

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A candid of my dad next to the elephant.

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Picture of our three disc clutch.

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Me putting the bolts in the front engine mount.

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Engine is in the car.

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The blower plate is in.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1667.jpg)

Blower is mocked up with the belt on it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1668.jpg)

different view

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1669.jpg)

Still lots to do, it's gonna be a long weekend!



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2007, 11:14:59 PM
We put in half of the trans today, with the other half needing bolts that were missing when we got it new?  Aawwww!  Good thing we found that potential problem.  We are working on the blower mounts, it should be done tomorrow and the rest of the trans with it.  This picture shows the only thing that has really worked out for us on the first try.  The air intake for the blower was cut and it fit!!  We now just need to cut the top end of it to get the correct height for the bend toward the front of the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1670-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 04, 2007, 11:21:46 PM
Man that's lookin' gooood! Keep thrashin' guys.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2007, 11:14:41 AM
Finished getting the trans and drive line put in.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1673.jpg)

Of course the closer we get the more mods that have to be done. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2007, 12:28:13 AM
Looks like we are not going to make it this month, if not we will be going in Sept.  If anyone is going in Sept. we will hopefully see you there or possibly in Mirage in Oct. or Nov.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 07, 2007, 01:02:31 AM
You've made amazing progress. Keep on thrashing till it's a runner. Then you won't have what everyone else has for the next event - the dreaded last minute thrash. Great work so far. I can't wait to see it out.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2007, 10:38:19 AM
We will keep on going till its ready.  I've have a helmet camera for my dirt bike that we will try out inside the car, so if anyone misses sept. salt I will post our runs on this site. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2007, 12:29:04 AM
We got the blower mount and a support bracket for our plate completed. 

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The blower mount is now on the blower.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1676.jpg)

The blower plate is in, we had to shim the plate so the blower drive would move freely inside the crank assembly.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1677.jpg)

The plate is complete with the blower and support plate bolted on, all we need is a few shorter bolts and it will be done.  A few more items will be bolted on to this plate.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 09, 2007, 01:29:52 PM
So you think you're gonna make it this weekend???
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2007, 11:01:27 PM
Nope, but were trying for september.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2007, 11:39:46 AM
We are working on the 6" blower inlet and the blower outlet.  We had to cut an old ear brace off to make room for the tubing going next to the valve cover and through the cowl.

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Cutting the six inch air intake.

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The car with the hood on so we could see the clearance issues that we will have to deal with.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2007, 10:03:49 PM
The inter-cooler is in the car and ready for some blower tubing. 

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We have some tubing tacked together and going through part of the cowl.

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Me cutting a rubber hose for the tubing.

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We have the angles cut, just hoping its right.

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What do you know it fit.

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Now tacked in place.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1697.jpg)

Need to cut a hole in the pipe and weld the blow off valve on.

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Welded on, now just needs to be ground down to make it smooth.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1699.jpg)

Working on the blower intake.  Trying to make it fit under the hood.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2007, 12:53:22 AM
Getting the intake ready to tack together.

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The final piece needed a little flattening, if this didn't work we would've use the scoop off the old tractor.

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Sitting in place and needing to be shortened. 

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My girls playing in the car, the little one didn't want to get out.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 15, 2007, 10:00:30 PM
Looks like you're getting a lot done.  What class are you going after?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2007, 12:17:22 AM
Looks like you're getting a lot done.  What class are you going after?

We will be in the A/BGALT class.  More pictures to come in a few minutes.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2007, 12:40:24 AM
The air intake is all welded up and ground down.  We are getting ready to work on the blower tubing that goes through the window.

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taping the window to get a sketch to follow.

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Making up a template just to make sure this shape will work.  If we make a mistake on this window or crack it Sept. meet is a no go.

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I'm the lucky one who gets to cut. 

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Actually I'm more nimble, flexible and younger.  If I fall it won't hurt as much as the old man.

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A successful cut, pheww.
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The line up looks good.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1715.jpg)

One pipe cut. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1716.jpg)

The two bends are done.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1717.jpg)

The elder one tacking the tubing together.

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The straight pipe is tacked in. and all the pipe is ready to weld tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 16, 2007, 03:22:15 PM
Troy,
 
What is your static compression? How much Boost in PSI are you looking to get out of the new blower?

Thanks,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2007, 04:58:49 PM
compression is 8 1/2 and the boost we were told by Procharger that we should get 35psi.  In 90' we went 275 with 12psi.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 17, 2007, 02:49:54 PM
Bville,

            The car and all of your work looks great1

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 17, 2007, 11:39:48 PM
Thanks Scott, we are doing a lot weld grinding right now.  We are working on the bracing for the inter-cooler and then we need to work on the  mainifold to get it ported and drilled for injectors and that would be the major part of the work that needs to be done.  The rest will be easy stuff.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2007, 12:28:51 AM
We worked on getting the blower tubes ground down and only have two more welds to do.  One for a support for the front of the blower inlet and the last is a water injection cupler. 

Need to finish this front bracket.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1723.jpg)

We also got the inter-cooler tank secured to the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1720.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1721.jpg)

Once all the tubing is finished we will be getting it coated.  Most likely it will be chromed.

Throttle body will take a little patience.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1722.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on August 20, 2007, 06:27:00 AM
It is not really clear from the pictures, but is that going to be a water filled intercooler tank?

If so I would wonder what would happen to those hold down brackets in a 5G impact?

It could get real unhealthy if a large object like that took a couple laps around the interior of the car if things went rubber side up.

I am always cautious about brackets that are configured like that (like a pull tab on a soda can) as when pulled in the right direction, they might tear away from the tank like peeling tape off of a surface. Can you loop them back to the tank so the joint cannot be pulled back or torqued and twisted off.
(or perhaps add some sort of secondary cage structure that would contain the tank if the brackets sheared).

Just a first impression from looking at the picture.

Larry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2007, 09:18:00 AM
That's a good observation, and yes we will have some safety tabs that connect the pipe to the inter-cooler for that reason.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2007, 12:07:06 PM
The tank itself is very rock solid in place, my first thought was that you were talking about the pipes.  The tank is set in three places, should be fine.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2007, 11:24:25 PM
The inlet brace is finished.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1727.jpg)

We worked on the throttle and barrel valve placement.  We need to do some minor adjustments and get some more nuts, bolts and spacers to make it right.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1729.jpg)

It was time for new front runners.  The rear tires are on order.  Yes they are Goodyear.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1725.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1724.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 23, 2007, 12:12:08 AM
The manifold is coming along slowly.  I had to do some grinding on the bottom side of the manifold to get it to seat properly.  Also it is marked for porting.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1730.jpg)

The manifold is getting close to being drilled for  injectors. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1734.jpg)

Had to make a new bracket for the coil.  The old bracket was of a thinner plate.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1731.jpg)

The intercooler water lines were fitted and now it looks like a transformer from a sci-fi movie.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1733.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1732.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 23, 2007, 10:33:10 AM
Beautiful work Troy. Are you going to add some tie bars at all your charge tubing connections? We are planning on going to the World Finals, hope to see you there.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 23, 2007, 10:52:50 AM
GH, we are planning to go to the World of Speed not the finals.  If for some reason we don't make WOS we will probably go to the finals. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on August 23, 2007, 09:35:46 PM
Great work guys!!! I can't wait to see the car in person.

You going to have 1 set of injectors or 2 sets.  35 lbs. of boost on that motor is going to require a lot of fuel.

What welder are you using??  I'm looking to buy a tig and I'm open to suggestions.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2007, 05:53:38 PM
Sumner, we are just running one set of injectors.  They make them big enough for our application.  Here is a picture of the Lincoln wire feed welder that we have.  It is a 220 hook up, my dad sometime wishes he got the 120 because of the outlet that needs to be used. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1735.jpg)

Working on our new push bar for the truck.  First steps.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1736.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1739.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1738.jpg)

The aluminum that will do the pushing.  I need to round off the corners and bevel the edges.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1737.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on August 24, 2007, 11:43:23 PM
Sumner, we are just running one set of injectors.  They make them big enough for our application.  Here is a picture of the Lincoln wire feed welder that we have.  It is a 220 hook up, my dad sometime wishes he got the 120 because of the outlet that needs to be used................

Thanks, I didn't know if you were using a TIG for some of your fabrication.  I have a Miller mig about the same as your Lincoln.  Be glad you have the 220.  The 120's are nice to have, but the penetration can be suspect on some weld situations.

Look forward to more build pictures,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on August 25, 2007, 12:36:35 AM
Its funny to me how sometimes I accidentally get a tool and then ask myself "how did I ever live without it"

I needed a welding hood for a project at work and forgot any one of about 6 I have at the house. Grainger (next door to where I was at) did not have any low end hoods in stock so I ended up buying one of those electric auto-darkening helmets.

It cost a little more....but I cant see myself using anything else. I never realized how much better it is to see what you are working on, hold it with one hand, the gun with the other and not have to loose your spot to lower the shield and strike an arc on something way off from your target.


I am sure the old schoolers will say I am a puss......
So be it, I like my conveniences!!!




Because you did not make Speedweek are you still going to run the A motor?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 25, 2007, 01:04:49 AM
The shield or hat my dad is using is one of those instant dark types.  The problem was that it didn't want to work outside, inside it worked fine.  Go figure?  And yes the A motor is in the car and we are planning on running it the rest of the year.  If for some freak of nature break, we might put the AA back in.  Troy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 25, 2007, 09:18:59 PM
  We were a bit busy and had to cut the day and weekend short for working on the car.  Today we got a few things done.  The manifold got some porting.  Two down and six to go.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1740.jpg)

The push bar is done and received a couple coats of paint.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1742.jpg)

The aluminum plate has its beveled holes and rounded off corners.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1743.jpg)

The plate is now on the frame and ready to get sized up to the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1745.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1744.jpg)

I cleaned off the old dirt and grime off the brake rotors and installed the new front tires.  I also put the headers on for good.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1741.jpg)

Things are coming together but we still need to pound away at this build to make USFRA.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 28, 2007, 05:45:16 PM
Still porting the manifold, should be done tomorrow?  Today I worked on putting in our plugs for the extra spark plug hole.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1749.jpg)

I also worked on some steel braided hoses.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1747.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1746.jpg)

One down and many to go.  We have some hose clamps to secure the braided hose to the side panels.  You can see one of them on the front part of this hose.  Will have more pictures tomorrow.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1748.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 30, 2007, 01:26:40 AM
The manifold is almost finished getting ported.  Once that is done then the linkage will be finished and we will move on to the injector lines.  Here is a picture of one of the water line shut off valve that was finished.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1750.jpg)

Tomorrow we will be working on oil lines, manifold and getting the fuel tank back in and the get the fuel lines attached.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 30, 2007, 09:50:23 PM
I know your breather tank is supposed to hold any overflow, but are you sure directly over the headers is the only place for it?  Sure hate to see a fire...

Don't you love the criticism you get from people thousands of miles away???
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 31, 2007, 10:42:12 AM
I guess if the overflow, overflows then there could be a problem.  The oil line is almost 3 feet long and the mini tank should hold a quart, it better not leak!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 31, 2007, 10:49:29 AM
Yesterday the manifold porting was finished, the spacer was bolted on and ground down to match the manifold.  A little more cosmetic touch up and all the grinding should be done.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1754.jpg)

fuel pump is on.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1751.jpg)

I can't believe how long it can take to make up oil lines.  The # 12's were easy but one of the 16's was a bear to put together.  One more oil line to the pan and one oil drain line from the valve cover and there done.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1752.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1753.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 31, 2007, 06:41:36 PM
Great job! When can we get a full size shot of the whole car??

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 01, 2007, 10:17:45 AM
Great job! When can we get a full size shot of the whole car??

Scott

Look on page 7 half way down.  It's a little dusty but this is what the car will look like. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 01, 2007, 12:31:35 PM
troy i would move that spooge bottle also... i would put it up higher so it would drain back into the sump tank....definitely away from the header..... good work ... keep up the thrash so we can see it on the salt
kent
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on September 01, 2007, 05:37:05 PM
So, after you made those lines, how many little pin holes were in your fingers???

Lookin good!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 01, 2007, 08:15:28 PM
Looks like we will not make the September meet at Bonneville, so we are shooting for the finals.   I will post some pictures and some verbage later tonight.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 02, 2007, 01:18:16 AM
I know your breather tank is supposed to hold any overflow, but are you sure directly over the headers is the only place for it?  Sure hate to see a fire...

Don't you love the criticism you get from people thousands of miles away???

your right.

troy i would move that spooge bottle also... i would put it up higher so it would drain back into the sump tank....definitely away from the header..... good work ... keep up the thrash so we can see it on the salt
kent

Your right too.

Sometimes it is easy to put something where it fits the best and not think about the possibilities of what could happen.  Here is a picture of my dad and his twin in 1957 with their blown olds.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1762.jpg)

 My dad told me a story about how they hooked up the fuel lines backwards and the consequences that resulted.  So we are moving the oil overflow.  Thanks for putting these thoughts in our heads.  I guess we were a little rushed to get things done and we didn't quiet think this through.  Some pictures of the move.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1756.jpg)

Found a spot on the front side of the blower plate.  If it does overflow then it will hit the plate and nothing hot. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1760.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1761.jpg)

We installed the new push rods and set the valves.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1757.jpg)

Manifold is almost finished.  We need to build up a little at the bottom of the port to get it right.  The outside is all polished and the fuel lines will be done next.  After that the manifold goes on the engine is complete.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1759.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 02, 2007, 01:32:36 AM
Looks good bro, that's a really cool pic of your old man!

One of the reasons I post my builds is for the exact reason that other people might see something you don't and can prevent you a lot of heartache down the road from their past experiences.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 02, 2007, 01:41:15 AM
Looks good bro, that's a really cool pic of your old man!

One of the reasons I post my builds is for the exact reason that other people might see something you don't and can prevent you a lot of heartache down the road from their past experiences.

Scott

Exactly and thanks.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Y.B. on September 02, 2007, 06:17:47 AM
To Bvillercr, please bare with me, as this is my first post ever. You described your pistons as Arias (CP) is this to say that cp are making the pistons? I have been following your project with a great deal of interest,and I thought this would be a worthy question for starting to communicate via the forum. Best of luck,Y.B.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 02, 2007, 11:14:43 AM
To Bvillercr, please bare with me, as this is my first post ever. You described your pistons as Arias (CP) is this to say that cp are making the pistons? I have been following your project with a great deal of interest,and I thought this would be a worthy question for starting to communicate via the forum. Best of luck,Y.B.

It was suggested to us by an engine builder to use CP pistons.  When we received them the mold said Arias.  The reason we went with CP is for the heat coating on the skirt of the piston itself.  I believe that CP buys their pistons from Arias and puts their coatings on the piston.  Nick Arias who I believe is in charge at Arias, also frequents this web site and also this build every once in a while.  He would know more about the Arias (CP) connection more than me.  The last time we bought from Nick he gave us one heck of a deal.  (Thanks Nick)  Hope this info helped.  Troy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on September 02, 2007, 05:18:58 PM
That's weird.  All of our CP piston forging say CP on them.  Did you buy direct?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 02, 2007, 05:38:20 PM
That's weird.  All of our CP piston forging say CP on them.  Did you buy direct?

My CP pistons say CP on them as well.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: interested bystander on September 02, 2007, 11:45:09 PM
Both, I believe is/are correct, and both are HIGH quality- just be sure you gave the piston deigner EVERTHING he/'she needs to know!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 04, 2007, 11:54:14 AM
Thanks for the advice from others on this overflow issue.  It is now complete.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1763.jpg)

I  can't believe how long things take us to get done.   Just cleaning up all the oil lines and re-installing them seemed to take for ever.  some others things accomplished were the cleaning of the valve covers inside and out, installed the internal plugs in the head for the second spark plug, put in all the spark plugs and connected the wires, found all of water hoses for the engine and head and cleaned them all up(need to make changes to some).  Marked the inside of the port on the manifold at the head to be polished.  A lot more little things to be done.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1764.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on September 04, 2007, 08:02:20 PM
The homebuilt aircraft guys have a saying "90% done, 90% to go". It fits very well for race car projects too!

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on September 04, 2007, 10:30:18 PM
all you lack is finishing, right?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 06, 2007, 12:42:04 AM
We got the ballistic blankets from DJ safety and they fit great.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1771.jpg)

Had to re-fit the push buttons for the fire system.  That inter-cooler took up too much room.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1772.jpg)

We got the air fuel ratio sensor and wires run.  The smart box is a different story.  It came with a suction cup mount.  It stayed in place for about ten seconds before it fell off, plus it is all plastic and will vibrate like hell.  So another mount needs to be made.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1773.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1774.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on September 06, 2007, 11:13:06 AM
You guys are doing great and even if it seems slow to you I can't believe how much you have accomplished over the last couple months.

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/temp-pictures/air-fuel.jpg)     

I would consider moving your air/fuel sensor up the pipe a little unless it has been working fine for you there.  At low rpms and maybe at high rpms depending on the cam you could get reversion up the pipe that could effect the readings.  Ours is up about where I put the arrow and we still get some false readings from O2 being sucked up the pipe at lower rpms.

The other thing is I can't remember for sure what the operating temp for these is, but I've added a copper wing type heat sink between the sensor and pipe.  I looked for a picture, but can't find one.  I think I made it to the specs on Innovates site (  http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/ )
Here is what they say:

The maximum temperature of the sensor at the bung (the sensor hexagon)
should not exceed 500 oC or 900 oF. If these temperatures are exceeded in your
application you should either install a copper heat sink (instructions below) or the
Innovate Motorsports Heat-Sink Bung extender (HBX-1).
The bung extender is recommended for situations where airflow is restricted or
the encountered heat is higher than a heat sink can handle.

They show how to build a heat sink here on page 8 and that is what I used:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/support/manual/LC-1_Manual.pdf

I got the copper from Greg at Motor Sports Innovation (609) 265-2110.  If anyone is interested in getting Innovate's wide band air/fuel controller and sensors give Greg a call.  He has us LSR guys in mind.

Maybe none of this is a concern for you guys, but just though I would throw it out there,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 06, 2007, 01:31:29 PM
We had the sensor higher up before, but this one calls for being 12-14 inches from the exhaust port. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on September 06, 2007, 05:15:04 PM
To Bvillercr, please bare with me, as this is my first post ever. You described your pistons as Arias (CP) is this to say that cp are making the pistons? I have been following your project with a great deal of interest,and I thought this would be a worthy question for starting to communicate via the forum. Best of luck,Y.B.

It was suggested to us by an engine builder to use CP pistons.  When we received them the mold said Arias.  The reason we went with CP is for the heat coating on the skirt of the piston itself.  I believe that CP buys their pistons from Arias and puts their coatings on the piston.  Nick Arias who I believe is in charge at Arias, also frequents this web site and also this build every once in a while.  He would know more about the Arias (CP) connection more than me.  The last time we bought from Nick he gave us one heck of a deal.  (Thanks Nick)  Hope this info helped.  Troy

Troy's pistons appear to have been machined by CP on raw forgings supplied by ARIAS.  Having some :roll: experience working in the piston industry, I've seen this exchange of forgings from one manufacturer when the proper forging isn't available from the other.  ARIAS has swapped slugs with BME, CP, ROSS, VENOLIA and DIAMOND.  In this case, CP probably was out of or didn't have a low-dome Hemi for the Langlo's blown setup.

As long as you don't burn your bridges with your competition, they can actually become allies.

Nick 3rd.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 06, 2007, 11:27:35 PM
To finish it is only a thousand "5 minute" jobs, all of what take 2 hours each!!! It's the details that take the time.(and make the difference!)

Looking good.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JGMagoo on September 07, 2007, 03:11:42 PM
Bvillercr,
I noticed this in the Inovative Motorsports pdf installation instructions page:

7.4 Single Cylinder Engines
These kinds of engines are difficult to measure at the tail-pipe. The oscillations of the exhaust
gas are so large that a lot of outside air enters the exhaust and prevents correct measurement.

I see your predicament with this in running "zoomie" headers but it looks like it might upset your readings.

Are "zoomies" really that more efficient than collectors?

JG
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on September 07, 2007, 03:19:07 PM
Down force helps
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JackD on September 07, 2007, 04:47:10 PM
Down force helps
Geeze Glen !
It's no wonder I can't sell My "Weed Burners", thanks a lot !
Seriously, the best placemnt of the probe is going to vary widely with the application.
Best would be a standoff little chamber that would see the average of all the comings and goings, and give you a better total.
In any case it is just 1 part of a lot of information that applies to only your package and remains as only 1 part of the tuning decision that doesn't necessarily transffer to another.
The same tuneup with another nut behind the wheel. won't even be the same. :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 07, 2007, 05:14:21 PM
This is an NHRA Nitro car.........just thought you would like the picture.


(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/isiahstites/misc/100_0888.jpg)

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on September 07, 2007, 05:23:08 PM
..............................Best would be a standoff little chamber that would see the average of all the comings and goings, and give you a better total...........

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/temp-pictures/Scavengepipe-em.jpg)     

I made one similar to the one in the picture, but we haven't used it yet.  One exhaust pipe only but the benefit is that the scavenge pipe can go up the exhaust pipe to a point where reversion shouldn't be happening.  The suction other one can also go up the pipe. 

This lets you get the distance from the exh. port you want and still get a good sample.  Also now the sensor isn't in the pipe so overheating is no longer a concern.  We still might use it, but we seem to be getting accurate readings once under way.

There is more here when I asked this question a year or so ago:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1872

c ya and thanks Jack for finding the course post from long ago (still seems pretty complicated and depends on a lot of different people cooperating, but if it has worked who can argue with that..........),

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 07, 2007, 11:31:34 PM
This is an NHRA Nitro car.........just thought you would like the picture.


(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/isiahstites/misc/100_0888.jpg)

Scott


Thanks for the photo Scott.  We have the same capabilities on our headers to run pyrometers but just haven't had the room.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 09, 2007, 12:25:01 AM
We got a few things done, but not finished today.  We tacked on some braces to the blower tubes just in case the clamps don't hold it together.  We did all connections but I only took two shots.

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Once these tabs are finished all the tubes will be sent out for some sort of chrome job.  Not sure on the color?  We had to take the inter-cooler out to finish putting the temperature sensors in it.  It barely fits in between the cage. 

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The sensors we use to measure the air temperature before and after the inter-cooler.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 10, 2007, 12:50:13 AM
Down force helps
[/Exactly, we  believe we get down force and thrust .I saw on  tv a funny car that lost its zoomies the front end was off the ground 2 or 3 ft and the back tires were off 6 inches or more.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 10, 2007, 11:12:51 AM
Doesn't look like you are beading the tubing and are depended only on the tightness of the clamps to hold every thing together so your tabs are really needed. I ran a two liter BMW 4 valve motor on the dyno once with double clamps on both sides and at around 70 inches the inlet blew off so we added lock wire to help hold every thing together. With the sizes of your tubes I'll bet you could bead the end with a standard bead roller, might be worth trying.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hitz on September 10, 2007, 03:49:04 PM

   Just a quick thought. I didn't see a strap welded to to the zoomies at the outer end.I think I saw where that was required in the rule book. Maybe you just can't see it in the pictures. I hope that's the case. Good luck on the salt and dirt!

  Harv
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 10, 2007, 11:03:13 PM
straps for headers or zoomies are not required.  Straps are required on Roots type or blowers on top, maybe thats where you saw straps?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on September 10, 2007, 11:40:32 PM
I think he may be referring to this rule item which indirectly requires a strap or similar retention system.

2007 rules
page 32
3.P Exhaust systems

... individual stacks will be connected by welding or other means near the free end so as to prevent destruction due to vibration.


Larry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 11, 2007, 12:48:29 AM
Down force helps
[/



That's right Glen we get down force and thrust from our zoomies ,wish i had angled the ends back a little more.
 I saw a picture of a funny car that lost one of its headers the front was up about 2 or 3 ft and the rear tires were off the ground 6" or so. I cracked the throttle a little too much after warming the engine and almost blew the hood off the top of the car we set up there when working on the engine.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 11, 2007, 01:04:59 AM
I think he may be referring to this rule item which indirectly requires a strap or similar retention system.

2007 rules
page 32
3.P Exhaust systems

... individual stacks will be connected by welding or other means near the free end so as to prevent destruction due to vibration.


Larry

Yes, they are welded in between the stacks.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 11, 2007, 08:39:49 PM
Like stated here before, a thousand five minutes jobs to do.  Today we got a few things done.  The inner-cooler tubes are finished and ready to send to get its coating.  I wired up the batteries and water pump, put on the air nozzles for the transmission, and the manifold is done; no leaks and ready to put on.

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We forgot how low the car is when it is off the jacks.

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A little history of the car, last time at Bonneville was 03.

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Manifold will go on late tonight or early tomorrow with a lots of little things to do.
Title: ReF: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 11, 2007, 09:50:18 PM
You fotos are presented marvelously.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 13, 2007, 02:37:53 AM
Manifold is on the car for good!!!  We had to re-adjust the length of the fuel lines for the new set up.

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Fuel lines attached.

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Me cutting some four inch tubing for the sides of the air intake.

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These will be the sides of the air intake.

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One side tacked on, and the rest will be done tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 13, 2007, 08:35:56 PM
Worked on the air intake a little today.  I could only spend a couple hours on the car today, but this is what was finished while I was there.  The rest should be done later tonight.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 18, 2007, 10:46:19 AM
My internet is out again!  I have pictures but cannot find the camera cable to input them.  Anyway, all of the blower intake and all of the tubing has been sent out to get ceramitized should be finished friday.  A little to do on the trans cover, then need to mount our compressed air tank, air fuel gage, some wire hook up and push bar on the truck.  After that we can fire it up!  I'll try to update when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 18, 2007, 11:42:31 PM
I thought I had more pictures, but here are three.  Here is a picture of the finished air intake minus the coatings.

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This is our version of Frankenstein.  We tried our best and finished with this.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1800.jpg)

Now that the cover is done we can put the inner-cooler back in and start working on other fabrications.  Things to do still:  1) Emergency shut off switch, 2) Compressed air mount, 3) Air fuel ratio gage, 4) misc. wiring, 5) some fiberglass work, 6) paint Frankenstein, 7) push bar for truck.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 18, 2007, 11:58:25 PM
Looking great bro! Keep up the good work.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 19, 2007, 11:58:34 PM
Thanks Scott.  Today we got the trans cover back in after some paint, inner-cooler is in, wiring is sorted out(mostly), emergency switch is finished and some work done on the belts and seat.  We're getting there slowly.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2007, 01:17:04 AM
Things are coming together quickly.  The push bar has been re-done to fit our new set up.

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Some photos of the new coatings on the blower tubing and intake.

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Fixed the hood to fit the blower tube coming out of the window.

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And paint.

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My helmet camera for my dirt riding fits perfectly here.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on September 26, 2007, 10:05:31 AM
It looks great, can't wait to see it on the salt.

I'm trying to figure the hood out.  I can see the new bump at the back to clear the air supply from the intercooler.  The other bulge above it I assume is for clearance also.  Is it open there in the back to let air out of the engine compartment or is is closed??

How about a picture with the hood on the car.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2007, 10:17:46 AM
With our old set up we had a large inner-cooler box on top of our injectors.  We had to put blow off valves on top of that box, so the large scoop on the top of the hood was to cover up those valves.  The opening in the back was just never covered.  Someday we may build another hood.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2007, 10:31:37 PM
We thought we were going to start the car today, but got a little behind putting together other things.  Today we got all the wiring completed, the compressed air bottle mounted, and the roll cage padding on.  The car is all gassed up and ready to fire.   My dad is making a trip to sac town to pick up some new Goodyear 2222's, when he gets back we will light the engine.  Here are a few pictures.

The completed push bar.

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The hood of the car.

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The car still on jacks.  The car will be off tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 26, 2007, 10:36:11 PM
You have done a fantastic job, the car looks great!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on September 26, 2007, 11:31:37 PM
...........................How about a picture with the hood on the car.......

Thanks, it looks really nice and I like the push bar also,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2007, 11:59:18 PM
If all goes well tomorrow I will post a video of the car firing up and running.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 28, 2007, 02:32:30 AM
Here is a video of the cars second start.  The first start we had a small oil leak and fuel leak, needed a little tightening.  The engine isn't at the tune it needs to be at, but I thought you might like the video anyway.  I'm in the car starting and checking controls mom and dad (Linda and John) are checking for more leaks.  We have a small water leak at the head (fix tomorrow) and a water leak in the tank (fix tomorrow).  Enjoy.  Click on picture to activate video.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_firstfireup.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=firstfireup.flv)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on September 28, 2007, 04:54:02 AM
Good job! Well done! Got to admit I really like the family participation aspect too.

Good luck on the salt.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 28, 2007, 10:39:27 AM
We need to change a few things and restart, hopefully I will get a better video during the day.  The family thing is a good thing.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on September 28, 2007, 11:19:04 PM
Your mom rocks! I couldn't get my mom within 1000 feet of a running blown KB.......Hope to see you at the WF next week.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 28, 2007, 11:50:23 PM
My dad has been racing since the late 50's.  She's been around almost as long.  Here's a picture in 57 I believe of my dad and his twin with a blown olds.  They ran in the mid 120 and around 12 seconds.  How tires have changed.

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How do you think I got the fever.  Many family member used to race, some still do and we still try.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 29, 2007, 10:55:42 AM
Yesterday we had to re-due a few things to remedy some leaks.  We also got our new Goodyear 2222 mounted and on the car.  Karma is looking out for us recently.  We will fire the engine again today to get a better tune, Some minor body work and get some organizing done on what we are bringing.  Then tomorrow we will load it all up and be gone on Monday.  This build is almost finished.  Another video later tonight.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 30, 2007, 11:04:20 AM
A trip to Bonneville wouldn't be the same unless you had to use allumiseal.  We had a little set back yesterday in that we had water in the oil, thought it might be a bville breaker.  We think we got it the water leak stopped we will find out this morning.  If not we might not be there.  Pan is off and we need to check the leak.  We only have a couple things to do to finish.  Here are a couple photos of some of the things we finished yesterday while waiting on the allumiseal to do its magic.

We got new tires and finally got them on.

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We made these braces for the blower tubes.

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We checked the inner-cooler temperature at idle, and on the hot side it got up to 208 and on the cold it was 130, at 14 psi.(no ice) 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 04, 2007, 10:49:39 PM
Troy, I enjoyed your visit at WF. Your Dad and me is about the same age, started messing around with cars about the same time. Your Moms maiden name is the same as mine. Check out some photos on my web site (geocities.com/garyhartracing) Cya
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on October 05, 2007, 10:25:28 PM
Troy, I enjoyed your visit at WF................................. Cya

Ditto on what Gary said, good meeting you guys and getting to talk to you.  The best of luck with your car,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 06, 2007, 12:41:37 AM
It was great to put the faces to all of the names.  Nice to meet everyone and Gary, don't give up on that AA motor yet it will get you that record and a red hat.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on October 07, 2007, 09:31:03 AM
Cool video!  Sounds mean.  Sorry to hear bout your milkshake issues. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 08, 2007, 01:02:06 AM
Cool video!  Sounds mean.  Sorry to hear bout your milkshake issues. 

The thing is so loud you can barely hear the real sound of the engine.  Need to find the root of the problem and then put it back together and get it running better, then I will post another video. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 12, 2007, 07:06:10 PM
Since getting back from Bonneville we have been slow on tearing down the engine and finding the water leak.  One thing my dad did do, was change the fuel primer from going into the fuel lines to squirting into the spacer on top of the manifold.  Hopefully this will help with the initial start of the engine.  We will start working on the engine sunday.  I will post more pictures then.  Troy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 14, 2007, 08:37:59 PM
We found the water leak pretty easily and quickly.  While under the car looking up at the sleeves I could see that they were not leaking at the bottom.  I could see some water dripping down from somewhere near the first lifter on the number 1 sleeve.  We took the valve covers off to see if the head was the problem and it wasn't clear at that time.  Once we took the manifold off we spotted the problem immediatly.  With the use of a mirror we could see that the leak was comming from the top of the sleeve where it met the aluminum block next to the push rod hole.  Here is a picture.  The first one shows two push rods holes, the one on the left is the leak.  You can locate it by looking to left of both silicone spots.

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This picture is a better view of the leak.

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We think the O ring that goes around the top of the sleeve didn't seal the water out, we tried getting the sleeve out but it is a bitch to get out.  When the block is out of the car we usaully heat the block up and put the sleeve in the freezer so it will slide in the block easier.  Here is a picture of us trying to cool the sleeve down so it will come out.  No luck.

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I think we are just going to silicone the areas effected and put it back together.  We also changed our gas primer from going into the barrel valve to now shooting into the manifold.  Here is a picture of it. 

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All in all we were pretty happy that we don't have to pull the engine system out of the car..... for now anyway.  We will refire it and make sure there are no more leaks before we load up for Mirage in Nov.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fwillyj on October 14, 2007, 10:51:36 PM
-if you haven't siliconed that spot up yet you ought to consider taking a Q-tip and swabbing the area with some thin green or red loctite----just let that seep into the leak area.

-You'd probably have better results with the loctite if you try to clean it good with some sort of quick drying brake or carburetor cleaner--and maybe use a heat gun to warm up the area then swab the loctite onto there.

-Or even use a smear of JB Weld.
---------------------------------------------------------
-There is a product called www.techspray.com that sells freezer in an aerosol can part #1672-15S where 15 is 15 OZ.

-This stuff says it cools to -62F----I have tried it and it's quick and will put a frosting coating on metal parts in just seconds.

-It's available at Allied Electronics for about $14 a can but it's real handy to have in your tool box at remote places like Bonneville.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on October 14, 2007, 10:51:36 PM
Glad you found the problem easily. Look forward to seeing you run at EM.
I've installed liners in diesels with dry ice but I don't remember how we got them out. I think we just used pullers. I'll ask around and see if it helps you. See ya at EM.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 15, 2007, 10:43:31 AM
Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 17, 2007, 09:48:10 PM
Looks like we need to pull four sleeves out.  We will try the dry ice method and if it doesn't work then we will have to pull the engine and get the sleeves out that way.  Almost starting over!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on October 17, 2007, 10:01:47 PM
Looks like we need to pull four sleeves out.  We will try the dry ice method and if it doesn't work then we will have to pull the engine and get the sleeves out that way.  Almost starting over!

Sorry to hear that Troy, but go back and look where you were 4-5 months ago and you won't be starting over.  You guys and your mom have accomplished a lot and when you look back on things this will be a small hiccup.  I'm glad to see you are trying to fix it right.  I wasn't real keen on the put something in the hole deal.

Hope you still get to run in November,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 17, 2007, 10:40:30 PM
Over all the water leak was pretty small, but who knows how much would accumulate during a warm up and then a run.  We'll get it fixed soon enough.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on October 17, 2007, 11:13:15 PM
Over all the water leak was pretty small, but who knows how much would accumulate during a warm up and then a run.  We'll get it fixed soon enough.

You guys still coming out in November?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 18, 2007, 03:00:57 AM
We are going to try to make it, good luck this week end.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 18, 2007, 09:52:02 PM
Engine will be comming out this weekend and so will all of the sleeves.We need to make sure we do not have this problem with any other sleeves later on.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 21, 2007, 11:18:41 PM
Today we pulled the drive shaft, tranny, blower system, engine, bellhousing, clutch and all of the pistons out of the engine.  We also pulled two stubborn sleeves out.  Here are some pictures from today.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 21, 2007, 11:21:14 PM
Oh ya, we will be pulling the crank and cam out so we can make sure everything is clean on the inside.  Hopefully we can get it all back together before the last meet. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on October 22, 2007, 03:53:09 AM
Oh ya, we will be pulling the crank and cam out so we can make sure everything is clean on the inside.  Hopefully we can get it all back together before the last meet. 

You know in NHRA they do all that in less than an hour and a half.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 22, 2007, 10:59:07 AM
I'm jealous!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JackD on October 22, 2007, 12:17:50 PM
I'm jealous!!

NHRA motors are designed to only go 1321 ft. for just seconds. :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 23, 2007, 01:16:12 AM
The block is apart execept for the remaining 6 sleeves.  Those should come out on tues., and the re-installation of the block on wed..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 24, 2007, 01:13:09 AM
Sleeves are all out, they need to cleaned and put in the freezer.  The block needs to be cleaned and then re-assembled.  We will try to get as much done as we can on Wednesday.  I will keep this updated.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on October 24, 2007, 01:23:57 AM
Sleeves are all out, they need to cleaned and put in the freezer.  The block needs to be cleaned and then re-assembled.  We will try to get as much done as we can on Wednesday.  I will keep this updated.

Are you coming to ELMO in three weeks?

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 24, 2007, 11:21:03 AM
Sleeves are all out, they need to cleaned and put in the freezer.  The block needs to be cleaned and then re-assembled.  We will try to get as much done as we can on Wednesday.  I will keep this updated.

Are you coming to ELMO in three weeks?

Scott

That's what were pushing for.  Everything is already fabbed so it should go together quickly.  Did I say it should go together quickly?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on October 24, 2007, 09:28:05 PM
The trick is to not have it come apart quickly...........
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 25, 2007, 01:37:09 AM
We had to heat the block up between 140 and 180 degrees to get the sleeves to go in easy.



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We also put the sleeves in the freezer to help them slide in better.

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This pesky little creature just wouldn't take a hint a leave.  So we helped it leave.

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Making sure we put some high temp silicone at the top of the sleeve to prevent any more leaks.

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Put the crank in and I had to go.  Senior put the main on and torqued them done.... Well that's what he said he was going to do.....  Did you JL222?

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The pistons and cam should be in the block before I can get back to help on Sat. 



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 25, 2007, 01:51:32 AM
I said i was going to,just not when. Nap time.
jl222   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 27, 2007, 11:13:53 AM
Pistons and cam are in, just have to set the timing and button it up.  A little work on the clutch and maybe get the engine back in today? 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 27, 2007, 09:23:51 PM
Took a little time to get the cam timming set.  It is now done and the heads are on as well.  We put two petcocks in just in case it freezes at Elmo.  Here are some pictures.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1920.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1918.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 01, 2007, 01:18:07 AM
We got the engine back in the car today. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1921.jpg)

A couple pictures of our blower drive just like a funny car cuppler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1922.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1923.jpg)

We also got the blower system in as well.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1924.jpg)

Need to do get a broken stud out of our tranny and put in a new stud.  Then we can put the tranny back in and fire it up.  Hopefully we will get it fired up Sat.  Will keep you all posted.  Still trying to make Elmo.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 01, 2007, 09:56:59 AM
Looking good, good luck I hope you can make Elmo.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 02, 2007, 05:14:35 PM
should be starting it on Sunday, then fixing some minor body connections and then load it up and heading out on friday.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 03, 2007, 10:58:32 PM
Here is a picture of one of our trannys that needed some repair.

There are four studs inside to mount a hydrolic throw out bearing.  One of the studs was leaking so we had to replace it.  If you look close enough you can see that they had to be ground down so that a bearing could fit inside of it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1927.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1931.jpg)

Some more pictures of the planetary gears.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1929.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1928.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1930.jpg)

We got the engine put back together. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1925.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1926.jpg)

Tomorrow we just need to get those trannys and drive line back in, fill with oil and gas and then hopefully start it up. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: frogpirate on November 04, 2007, 12:04:27 AM
Thanks for the update. I be crossing my fingers for you tommorrow!

Ken
Wannabe. :)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 04, 2007, 10:47:11 AM
I'll have another video of it starting today.  I will post it if everything goes as planned.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 12:08:47 AM
This little hose cost us about 2 hours of time.  This is one of the hoses that connects our hydrolic throw out bearing for our clutch.  After we install all of the trannies this is supposed to be tie wrapped so it doesn't hit the clutch.  Well we forgot and yes it got caught on the clutch and leaked.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1933.jpg)

The new line is now in place.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1934.jpg)

This is what the lines are supposed to look like. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1937.jpg)

All of the trannies are all in.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1932.jpg)

We are back on track and started the car tonight.  It is still very rich, we based our set up on the old engine.  So far we have been off.  We will lean out all the jets and give it another start tomorrow and see how close we get.  Tonight we got 20lbs of boost at about 70 degrees.  At 75% eficient the blower temp. should be about 275 degrees.  We had a blower temp of 189 before the intercooler and 103 after the intercooler.  We think that our sensors can't react fast enough from jazzing the throttle, but we are happy to get an 86 degree delta drop with just water and no ice.  I have a video that I will try to get loaded tonight, and post here later.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on November 07, 2007, 12:37:04 AM
BVILLE RCR

You fotos have been EXCELLENT throughout your entire post..

Now I hope for no wind, good bite and a great set of numbers when u get to the Lakes.

Don't let Arley oil down the launch pad. If Jay shows up.........save the car for some other year.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 09:25:44 AM
BVILLE RCR

You fotos have been EXCELLENT throughout your entire post..

Now I hope for no wind, good bite and a great set of numbers when u get to the Lakes.

Don't let Arley oil down the launch pad. If Jay shows up.........save the car for some other year.

FREUD

That's funny.  The only thing that Jay has anything to do with is his advertisement on our car.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 09:29:47 AM
The video I have is lengthy.  Normally my computer will break the video down into many segments.  This video was broken down into three and the one with the engine starting multiple times is 15 minutes long.  I will post it soon and you can always just click the video off when you get bored with it. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 11:23:22 AM
video file is too large to download at photobucket.  I need to find another way, or shoot another video later today.  Video is on hold for now.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 07, 2007, 09:37:36 PM
Try youtube
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 11:07:22 PM
Here is todays video of our start up.  We are not at the tune we need to be at, but we will have time to make adjustments all weekend. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_Enginestart2.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=Enginestart2.flv)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 09, 2007, 09:48:48 AM
I should rename this build to, getting ready for El Mirage.  Good luck everyone, we are leaving hopefully before noon and should arrive between 2-4.  See you on the dirt.  Troy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 09, 2007, 10:28:48 AM
I am looking forward to seeing your car and meeting you..........drive safe and I will see you on the dirt.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on November 12, 2007, 03:11:09 PM
I finally got to see the car and hear it run at El M this past weekend.  The videos don't do it justice.  You don't hear many motors that sound as good as this one does and all of the pictures of the compressor, piping, intercooler are way off in perspective once you see it in real life.  Just double the size that your brain is telling you when you look at the build pictures. 

The cage is one of the safer looking ones I've seen and the engineering from the front of the car to the very back bumper is outstanding.  If you ever get a chance take a good look at the car.

Good seeing you guys again and can't wait to see it run on the salt,

Sum

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 12, 2007, 04:40:47 PM
Sumner I did not get to hear it run but I did see it in person and agree with the things you mentioned.

It was nice meeting Troy and the family.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 12, 2007, 09:15:20 PM
Sumner, good to see you again.  I've always wondered what it sounded like from a little distance.  I can't really tell from being in the car. 

Scott is was great to finally meet you and your wife.  Sorry we couldn't visit more, we were still thrashing to run on sunday.  Thanks for the kind words from you and Sum.  See you guys on one of these lake beds soon.  Troy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 14, 2007, 09:01:07 PM
Summner brought to my attention about running the car to get a picture on his number list.  Messing with us of course, but found some old timing slips and a picture of the car on the salt.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0030.jpg)

close up shot.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0031.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0032.jpg)

Same slip but a copy and it shows our exit speed after the tranny and then the blowers blew up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0028.jpg)

A picture with the car on the salt.  Man I wish we were there with it this year.  08 is just around the corner.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0036.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 14, 2007, 10:26:03 PM
Very impressive speeds and now you are on the list  :-):

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-1/bville-cars%20index-1.html

That 1991 time at Speed Week was the first Speed Week I attended,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rustyT on December 14, 2007, 10:40:34 PM
sum.I looked at all build pics of this car,is there a fire wall between the scoop and the windsheild? maybe it doesnt matter on a shiney car. Just kidding, awesome car.  phil
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 14, 2007, 11:50:04 PM
Very impressive speeds and now you are on the list  :-):

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-1/bville-cars%20index-1.html

That 1991 time at Speed Week was the first Speed Week I attended,

Sum

That was our 3rd year on the salt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 23, 2007, 12:30:06 AM
Something we learned at Elmo was that we were having a hell of a time getting the barrel valve set close enough for the engine to run right.  There was just too much air getting into the engine at idle.  So we put the extra blow off valve next to the other one, hopefully this will control the air comming in better. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1940.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1942.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1951.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: David on December 24, 2007, 05:16:52 PM
Hi, what a fabulous thread & brilliant workmanship as well, you must be a inspiration to many on this site.  Did you find the F.A.S.T.air fuel meter that you had fitted in you build up, helped you in your tuning of your fuel system also do you run on alcohol?
I have just purchased one of these air fuel meters for my turbo alcohol efi dragbike & I would appreciate  if you could give me some feedback on how you found it performed, many thanks 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 24, 2007, 06:11:27 PM
Hi, what a fabulous thread & brilliant workmanship as well, you must be a inspiration to many on this site.  Did you find the F.A.S.T.air fuel meter that you had fitted in you build up, helped you in your tuning of your fuel system also do you run on alcohol?
I have just purchased one of these air fuel meters for my turbo alcohol efi dragbike & I would appreciate  if you could give me some feedback on how you found it performed, many thanks 

Well, when we make a pass we will let you know.  So far we have only run the car on idle trying to get the tune right, so we rreally don't have a whole lot of info on this unit yet.  Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 24, 2007, 07:03:18 PM
    David
  we run gas,when the engine was at idle it registered lean, 18 or 19 i believe but it was fouling the plugs.Someone in this post said we might have problems getting a correct reading do to the mounting of the sensor to close to the end of the header ''reverse air flow exhaust pulse''. Any how we installed it at the lenght from the port that was suggested. Maybe they were thinking collectors instead of single pipe. No mention of either in instructions,we will be calling tech.
    I hoped we could look at this meter during a run to check if it was lean,if not continue on,instead of partial run, check plugs get back in line.
       Good luck  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 24, 2007, 11:37:20 PM
    David
  we run gas,when the engine was at idle it registered lean, 18 or 19 i believe but it was fouling the plugs.Someone in this post said we might have problems getting a correct reading do to the mounting of the sensor to close to the end of the header ''reverse air flow exhaust pulse''. Any how we installed it at the lenght from the port that was suggested. Maybe they were thinking collectors instead of single pipe. No mention of either in instructions,we will be calling tech.
    I hoped we could look at this meter during a run to check if it was lean,if not continue on,instead of partial run, check plugs get back in line.
       Good luck  JL222

John I'll about bet anything that you are getting reversion up the pipe. 

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/temp-pictures/2727-1.jpg)   

We had that problem with Phil's car in the picture.  You can barely see the sensor in the collector (left arrow).  We were getting erratic and lean readings.  I later moved it up into just one tube (right arrow).  Here is how I diagnosed the problem.  With the car running and data logging and also showing the air/fuel on the laptop computer I slid a longer pipe over the end of the collector and that extended it a couple feet.  The readings went down to rich where we thought they were and weren't erratic anymore.  We then moved the sensor up into the one pipe and still got good readings. 

So with the car idling slide a short length of pipe over the one tube and see if things straighten out.  If it does the other option for you might be to run a siphon tube that is getting gas close to the head but the sensor is down the siphon pipe.  Another benefit of this is it greatly reduces the temperatures on the sensor which can also be a problem.  We run a heat sink on the sensor in Phil's car and in Hooley's car also.

Good luck and what I'm really interested in finding out is if you can make the mechanical fuel injection work with the high boost.  If so I hope you might share a secret or two with us.

C ya,

Sum 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 06, 2008, 05:47:33 PM
Our next crew chief is rapidly getting accustomed to the engine compartment.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_racecarsmile.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=racecarsmile.flv)

Now she is ready to drive fast.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_imgonnadrivefast.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=imgonnadrivefast.flv)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rustyT on January 06, 2008, 07:44:28 PM
bvillercr
With  those little arms and hands she could get to those hard to reach nuts and bolts,if shes looking for work,we are all tired of those scraped knuckles and elbos,so let us know. :-D :-D

                                               Phil.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on January 06, 2008, 09:40:22 PM
She is a cutie and I'd say not camera shy,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 07, 2008, 04:52:27 PM
not usually shy, but is more than one handful.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 07, 2008, 05:53:10 PM

   I got 1st dibbs Phill,and Bvillercr is right on about a double handfull.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rustyT on January 08, 2008, 12:12:03 AM
bvillercr
I think we will wait a few years,if she hangs out in your camp,maybe she can later help us get through tech without the hick-ups,who knows,maybe she could talk us into paint and a few new parts :-D
Oh, by the way,I know all about the hands full thing,I have a 15 year old daughter of my own,holy crap man!!!
                                                  Phil.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1212FBGS on January 08, 2008, 03:34:23 AM
Ah 15.... yes I remember those days... hell I was dumber than a stump all ya had to do is ask my daughter she'd tell ya... its funny, now she's 21 and 3rd year of collage...and it seems my iq has risen some, I’m not nearly as dumb as she thought I was..... in a couple of years I just might be a genius.....
kent
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 31, 2008, 04:56:16 PM
getting ready to fire it up again after the changes we made.  I will keep everyone informed as usual. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 03, 2008, 11:47:02 AM
We started the engine sat. after a few changes.  We changed the barrel valve from a blown gas to an unblown fuel valve, we rebuilt our airiation tube larger for helping out at idle, and we also put in another blow off valve on.  We made some changes to the fuel delivery on start up, but that didn't work well so we changed it back.  Once the engine started we had to tinker with the barrel valve a little and it sounded and responded much better.  Just when it started running pretty good, it ran out of gas!!  Luckily I had brought up some gas for my dirt bike and we used it.  All in all we were pleased at the changes that were made.  We had 15 psi at 3800 and next time I will video it and post it. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 06, 2008, 06:35:30 PM
Here is some information on how we keep track of our boost temperature efficiencies.  There is more of an explanation under the technical forum.  This chart is at 70 degree ambient temperature.

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1967.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 25, 2008, 10:03:36 PM
Our old hood was just too bulky before with the old set up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hood1.jpg)

Now that we have more time to work on the car we can work on the little things that need to be fixed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hood2.jpg)

Now we need to fill the void.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carhood2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carhood.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 27, 2008, 09:53:02 PM
Bought some material to cover the void and we are thinking of leaving the intake uncovered at the windshield.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on March 27, 2008, 10:48:05 PM
Is that work of art sitting in your living room?????
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 28, 2008, 10:56:57 PM
  Almost, its more like were in its space untill we get the house built. Its funny that you say that because we've said the same thing.
        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on April 01, 2008, 04:12:46 PM
Hey Troy, just a thought, if you extend the "cowl scoop" higher flush to the windshield it might help take away some windshield frontal area (like Hooley's stude).
Brian
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 01, 2008, 05:37:23 PM
Another reason we removed it was because it was a little difficult to see around it.  Not sure at this time if we will cover the intake, we will take a closer look when we get the hole patched up.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 05, 2008, 10:55:27 PM
We have been using a computer program to calculate our potential top speeds at Bonneville.  I will post more data sheets in the technical section after I post here.  The best example we have is with the Summers Brothers streamliner.  We input all of their perameters such as HP, gear ratio, CD, frontal area ect... and the end speed was very accurate.  The time and acceleration innervals are not accurate, because our car accelerates about 20mph every mile from the 2 mile on.  On our car we do not know for sure what HP and CD that our car has, so this program helps predict what we think this car is capable of.  In the near future we will have the car on a 2500hp chasis dyno. 

First is Summers Bros.  Two pictures were taken for all sheets so you could see the numbers more clearly.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/summers1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/summers2.jpg)

I will use the lowest and the highest HP rating here with the CD at .250 for the low HP and .300 for the high HP.  The first picture is as marked on the page 1635hp.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/4.jpg)

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This sheet has a HP rating of 2005 with a CD of .300

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 21, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
Here are some new photos of our hood restoration.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2063.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2062.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2060.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2061.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 09, 2008, 04:46:13 PM
Our plans for the car this year is to dyno it first to get a good tune on it and then run it a speed week.  If all goes well and we have no problems and the lake bed is decent, then maybe Oct. and Nov. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 24, 2008, 10:58:41 AM
Still trying to get a better tune on the engine before the costly trip to the dyno.  We may need to do some work on our barrel valve to make it run better.  I took a video from my helmet cam of our start up it is about 4 minutes long.  On start up this engine and idle this engine continues to foul plugs.  We will eventually figure it out. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_5-23startup.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=5-23startup.flv)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on May 24, 2008, 11:01:08 AM
What is the first event you plan on attending this year?

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 24, 2008, 11:12:52 AM
Were looking at speed week and hopefully finish with Oct. and Nov. El Mirage.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 24, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
All we need is the smell of NITRO to go with the sound. Great stuff and the hard work shows. See you in August. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 24, 2008, 01:47:25 PM
All we need is the smell of NITRO to go with the sound. Great stuff and the hard work shows. See you in August. :-D

I love the smell of race cars in the morning, but we only run gas.  Although we may at one point enter in the fuel class running on gas. :-o  Here is a second video after we leaned out our nossles and the barrel valve.  Hard to hear much difference but there is less black smoke comming out of the zoomies.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_secondinmay.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=secondinmay.flv)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 26, 2008, 02:54:48 PM
STOUT!!!!! Man that thing is getting the "Lindey and Legget" sound!! Can't wait to see you in August!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 26, 2008, 03:14:23 PM
That's a huge compliment and thanks. :-D  We would love to have their sound and 3/4 of their HP.  Looks like we will be taking the car to a friends airport to test it before we take it to a dyno.  Hate to spend so much money if it won't take a load. :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 26, 2008, 04:10:19 PM
Rex, it's Lindsley & Leggitt, and it does thunder at 300 plus. as well as over 250 at the dry lake. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 26, 2008, 07:32:28 PM
Glen,
As you can know I am an engineer and spelling was never my strong suit!! Thanks for the correction though! Lindsley and Leggitt it is and they are still the best sounding car a B'ville!! and 338 at the 3 mile is certainly damn impressive too! Can't wait to see the bvillerer's car come August.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 26, 2008, 08:20:55 PM
Rex, heck man I had to correct it as they are in my club. I had a spelling dictionary when I was engineering, spell check was still new when I retired, you remember the DOS system, man we came a long way since those days. How is the roadster coming and will you be at speed week in about 83 days. :?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on May 26, 2008, 09:47:47 PM
Boy -- I think it would be hard to beat Teague, and the three-second (it seemed) shift into high gear.  I'll admit I'm prejudiced -- all the way back to the roadster doing sprint car things in the blowing dust of El Mirage.  Must be hard to walk around so bow-legged with those huge things in the way.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 26, 2008, 11:02:40 PM
Glenn,
I will be there in August and will be driving my roadster. Trying to get it regestered right now but driving it with my son's 510 Datsun plate as it is not running right now.

Stan Back,
You are right about Al's car great to hear at the 5 mile but I don't think he ever ran 75% like Lindsley and Leggitt.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 26, 2008, 11:34:16 PM
I haven't heard the Lindsey Leggit car make a run only in the pits.  Teague on the other hand was one smooth sounding engine from miles away.  Rex nice roadster.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 27, 2008, 11:20:36 AM
Glen thanks for the e-mail, sounded really good. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 27, 2008, 12:45:59 PM
Great sounds go with the speed, I have been so lucky over the years to time and see the many records set. Hoping yours will be on the list and record book this year.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Drury on May 27, 2008, 12:57:59 PM
The second place winner after Lindsley and Leggit has got to be anything ever belonging to Chauvin Emmons.  That man has never been afraid to "over tip the can".  Of course when you build your own heads, you can afford to melt a few now and then.  Now if he could only keep the car aimed at the finish line.............. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 28, 2008, 11:31:59 PM
didn't Chauvin hit a sh!tter at bonneville a few years back, and then a dike?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 29, 2008, 08:51:58 AM
Nobody's done in one of the little restrooms since I've been on watch, and as for hitting a dike -- hey, this is a family forum.  Watch your sexual innuendos!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on May 29, 2008, 09:24:16 AM
You're killing us out here Jon
 :-D  :-D  :-D   :-D
wait, I need to go find the little rolling laughing guy Deb uses....  8-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 29, 2008, 09:45:25 AM
Some years back it was Gordon Hoyt that took out the crapper at Bonneville, Emmons hit the one at El Mirage right behind the timing trailer, he also went over the dyke on the salt. There are many old and funny things that have happened over the years.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2008, 10:38:29 AM
Nobody's done in one of the little restrooms since I've been on watch, and as for hitting a dike -- hey, this is a family forum.  Watch your sexual innuendos!

 :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on May 29, 2008, 11:14:47 AM
Glen  -- I agree with you that they're funny in the telling -- after the fact that no one was killed.  I never understood what I heard was the SCTA's ruling to re-license him after he reportedly said he had the talent to "power out" of trouble.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2008, 09:52:30 PM
Glen  -- I agree with you that they're funny in the telling -- after the fact that no one was killed.  I never understood what I heard was the SCTA's ruling to re-license him after he reportedly said he had the talent to "power out" of trouble.

That's the problem, if he thinks he can power out of a problem he is already in a loosing battle. :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 29, 2008, 10:00:58 PM
Loud sounding, thundering cars of the past:  Jerry Jones in the modified  roadster.

He was loud when thunder was still quiet.

FreuD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2008, 10:06:05 PM
How about Fred in his Modified Roadster.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 29, 2008, 10:15:21 PM
When we discuss the sound while running.......Jerry Jones wins.

When we discuss the sound of puking.....Freddie has the misfortune of winning that contest until he
installed the dry sump.

FerD

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2008, 10:40:34 PM
When we discuss the sound while running.......Jerry Jones wins.

When we discuss the sound of puking.....Freddie has the misfortune of winning that contest until he
installed the dry sump.

FerD



He did have some puking problems didn't he. :-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 05, 2008, 02:57:51 PM
Great sounds go with the speed, I have been so lucky over the years to time and see the many records set. Hoping yours will be on the list and record book this year.

We hope so too. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 10, 2008, 12:37:10 AM
We measured our roll cage for the new roll bar padding and will order soon from Butler.  Here is a picture of our funny car style cage.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2093.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on June 10, 2008, 01:22:35 AM
Sounds and Speed----I sure liked my Lakester sound better with 20" Stacks :-D bettter than with a 18"X 4" collector headers---just sounds like a Roadster now at speed!!!!!!!!!!! :-(
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 13, 2008, 02:19:53 AM
   These pads are what are required in top fuel and funny car, more info at GARVIN MOTORSPORTS.COM
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2008, 12:01:39 AM
Our instant center is 102 inches.  So that equates to 4 1/2 inches back from the center line of the front wheels.  102 inches was not as far as I thought it was, but still out there.  The % of rise was 8% or 1 1/4 inches and the center of gravity was at 15 1/2.  Our car is an Alston full chasis set up so what works for us might not work for you. 


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0197.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0198.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0199.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on June 27, 2008, 12:03:10 AM
Man I hope you guys run good this year!!

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2008, 12:07:02 AM
Today we did some filing on our old barrel valve and started the car up.  The throttle response was much crisper, so we think we are getting closer.  We will get the car on the dyno soooooon. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 27, 2008, 03:37:24 PM
   To anybody thats interrested
 
Thought i would try to explain all those lines The straight line next to the car represents the ground then we square off the center lines off the wheels [or axles] the mounting holes for the 4link and the weight distribution point of the car. Then we measure the height at the center of the bolts of the 4link bars 2 in front 2 in back [bars are 24- 21''long] then we transfer those numbers to the floor off the square lines then we snap a line off the two top and two bottom marks. Where they meet is called the instant center the distance is measured from rear axle center line to convergence point [102'' for us].
 Next we calculate the percentage of rise. The center of gravity of car [camshaft height recomended by Alston] and mark that number on the floor squared off the weight distribution point [15.5''for us]
 Then we snap a line from center of rear wheel [marked on floor] to instant center point.the percentage of rise is calculaded by dividing the center of gravity by the inches from the ground where the snapped line crosses the center of gravity line.[in our case 1.25 divided by15.5=8%
   Hope this helps bville racers understand 4links better.With several different mounting holes one can change weight transfer and force to the tires.
 
                                                JL222

 

 
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on June 27, 2008, 04:37:25 PM
   To anybody thats interrested
 
Thought i would try to explain all those lines The straight line next to the car represents the ground then we square off the center lines off the wheels [or axles] the mounting holes for the 4link and the weight distribution point of the car. Then we measure the height at the center of the bolts of the 4link bars 2 in front 2 in back [bars are 24- 21''long] then we transfer those numbers to the floor off the square lines then we snap a line off the two top and two bottom marks. Where they meet is called the instant center the distance is measured from rear axle center line to convergence point [102'' for us].
 Next we calculate the percentage of rise. The center of gravity of car [camshaft height recomended by Alston] and mark that number on the floor squared off the weight distribution point [15.5''for us]
 Then we snap a line from center of rear wheel [marked on floor] to instant center point.the percentage of rise is calculaded by dividing the center of gravity by the inches from the ground where the snapped line crosses the center of gravity line.[in our case 15.5 divided by1.25=8%
   Hope this helps bville racers understand 4links better.With several different mounting holes one can change weight transfer and force to the tires.
                                                  JL222

John thanks for putting all the time into posting this.  Now I have a question, as always, and bear in mind that I know next to nothing about 4 link setups, but I thought they were mainly used to help with the launch at the drag strip and wonder how they effect our relatively slow accelerating cars.  I did find the following link that helped me to understand the versatility of them on the drag strip.......

http://www.baselinesuspensions.com/info/Launching_A_Drag_Car.htm

.......... I guess the question I have is can they do much for us in improving our speeds?

Thanks,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 28, 2008, 01:51:20 AM
    Sum
  In our case by lowering the instant center their is less hit to the tires, or less shock.The light springs do the same thing. If landspeed racers ever read Carroll Smith's book they would get a lot of ideas on wheelspin and how to control it. Most of the problems are wheel rates to high. worse case, solid suspension which he says the wheel rates go to infinity.His book is on roadracing but the principles are the same.
  Years ago freinds of mine had a modified roadster with wheelspin problems, by scaling the chassis [directions out of Alston book] we could see that they were really planting the tires.In their case a simple fix was to drill bolt holes higher in the top foward brackets,this solved the problem. Engine in roadster is 1925 chev 4cyl. As carroll Smith says don't equate wheelspin with hp.
  Any how a 4link allows the instant center to be set at a longer and lower spot than a latter bar are other systems.
  hope this helps.
                             JL222
 

       ps    if you ever get a chance to push down on a sprint cars rear supension
you would be amazed at how soft it is.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on June 28, 2008, 09:56:39 AM
    Sum
  In our case by lowering the instant center their is less hit to the tires, or less shock.The light springs do the same thing. If landspeed racers ever read Carroll Smith's book they would get a lot of ideas on wheelspin and how to control it. Most of the problems are wheel rates to high. worse case, solid suspension which he says the wheel rates go to infinity.His book is on roadracing but the principles are the same.
  Years ago freinds of mine had a modified roadster with wheelspin problems, by scaling the chassis [directions out of Alston book] we could see that they were really planting the tires.In their case a simple fix was to drill bolt holes higher in the top foward brackets,this solved the problem. Engine in roadster is 1925 chev 4cyl. As carroll Smith says don't equate wheelspin with hp.
  Any how a 4link allows the instant center to be set at a longer and lower spot than a latter bar are other systems.
  hope this helps.
                             JL222
 

       ps    if you ever get a chance to push down on a sprint cars rear supension
you would be amazed at how soft it is.

Thanks, I guess I'll have to see about that book and study up on this some,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 06, 2008, 12:13:27 AM
Pops is working on a new rear spoiler for the car should be done soon.  I will post pictures when I can. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on July 07, 2008, 10:12:00 PM
Troy,

Please let us know soon. I hope I explained the options to him correctly.

DW
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2008, 10:18:19 PM
Troy,

Please let us know soon. I hope I explained the options to him correctly.

DW

Dan, I'm going up there tomorrow night to put our new 8000# wench on the trailer.  I will take multiple photos of how it is and if we need to change anything please let us know. 
   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2008, 10:23:31 PM
Oh, on another note we have an oppointment at the dyno shop next week on Wednesday night.  It will be a late one so I will post photos and a video on Thursday or Friday. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 07, 2008, 10:34:06 PM
bvillercr, How do keep  the transmission on your procharger together?  Have you guys had any problems when you have to pedal the car or go to shift?  I picked up a F2 unit, and I am thinking about going away from the gilmer belts that they only run with to a serpentine belt so I can get some slip. I have herd stories of the transmission blowing on high RPM shifts.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2008, 10:50:32 PM
On our new Procharger F3R-139, we haven't put any runs on it.  On our old D2's the only problem we had was running two inch belts, but we also ran two blowers on that one belt.  Once we went to the 3 inchers we haven't had any problems.  We also try to back off the throttle just a bit before we shift.  The only real problem we had was breaking the input shaft on our tranny from the power of the Procharger. :-D  The serpentine belt will work as long as it doesn't slip, they use the Gilmer for a good reason. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: comp on July 07, 2008, 11:15:42 PM
 WOW great thread  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 08, 2008, 12:59:59 AM
bvillercr, How do keep  the transmission on your procharger together?  Have you guys had any problems when you have to pedal the car or go to shift?  I picked up a F2 unit, and I am thinking about going away from the gilmer belts that they only run with to a serpentine belt so I can get some slip. I have herd stories of the transmission blowing on high RPM shifts.


   maguromic
 We have had plenty of problems over the years with the centrifugals mostly from driving two blowers with one belt. The problem is that the driver side blower drives the passenger side blower putting twice the power requirements on it. So the driver side is the one we usually have problems with. When we went 288 the overdrive trans slipped causing the engine to over rev catching a valve -backfiring and blowing the blowers off. none of the problems we've had could be blamed on the manufactures because we were using two blowers to get the cfm and boost needed for our big engine,which they were not designed for.We were real happy when procharger made the F3R-139 4000 cfm blower which enables us to use just one blower.
 Good luck with your F2 what motor and car? The WW2 aero engines had slip clutches to take the shock loads off the trans gears when they shifted into high blower gear. I wonder if we'll ever catch up?

                                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 08, 2008, 12:10:22 PM
  JL222

Thanks for the info.  My concern was that a friend of mine was racing up Piles Peak last year and he had a F1R and at high RPM  shifts he blew the transmission in the head unit. For this year he built a belt drive gear system for the transmission.  Also Doug Robinson mentioned that he had problems with his hybrid supercharger till he went to a  "V" belt. 

My F2 is going on a GMC XO motor and still haven't decided to build a gear drive and eliminate the belt on the supercharger or some style of belt.  Still investigating the problems, it seems that the shaft in the transmission that the gears ride on is the culprit.  Its too small for the high rpm and when you go to shift the shaft flexes throwing the gear alignment off and BOOM.  I was reading that the early Miller and Offy blowers had very smiler problems till they devised way to fix it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2008, 12:59:03 AM
Here are a few photos of our old spoiler and what the new one will look like.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2118.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2117.jpg)

The new one is almost complete.  Dan the spoiler is less than 8 inches down.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2122.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2121.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2119.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 02:58:41 AM
  JL222

Thanks for the info.  My concern was that a friend of mine was racing up Piles Peak last year and he had a F1R and at high RPM  shifts he blew the transmission in the head unit. For this year he built a belt drive gear system for the transmission.  Also Doug Robinson mentioned that he had problems with his hybrid supercharger till he went to a  "V" belt. 

My F2 is going on a GMC XO motor and still haven't decided to build a gear drive and eliminate the belt on the supercharger or some style of belt.  Still investigating the problems, it seems that the shaft in the transmission that the gears ride on is the culprit.  Its too small for the high rpm and when you go to shift the shaft flexes throwing the gear alignment off and BOOM.  I was reading that the early Miller and Offy blowers had very smiler problems till they devised way to fix it.

  I'm not to familiar with the F2 but i believe the gear case is machined from solid billitt as our F3R 139 is, go to page 6 of this build to see comparison between the F3R and one of our D2's. The gear case is way bigger than the D2 and we didn't have problems with the D2's which were machined castings.

  How many times are you going to shift on a bville run compared to Pikes peak?
  There is a company in Arizona that makes a gear drive that bolts in front of the motor and uses quick change gears [i believe]
that we looked into but we did'nt have enough room for it and it cost 3000$. Procharger has the phone#.
 Like bvillercr says they run cogs on their race blowers for a reason.
 Doug only runs about 15lbs boost, put in 25 or 30 and make it come alive. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222


 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 09, 2008, 10:17:20 AM
The Supercharger Store ----makes the gear drive unit ofr Prochargers---they have a web site!! great guys---
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2008, 10:51:30 AM
We got most of the winch completed, here a couple pictures.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2123.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2124.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2008, 11:53:48 AM
Here's a link to the supercharger store.


http://www.thesuperchargerstore.com/
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 09, 2008, 12:26:44 PM
............................. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222

So are you going to the carb??  Also are you going to put spill plates on top of the spoiler and run them to the axle?

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on July 09, 2008, 12:29:02 PM
Troy,

That looks fine as long as it is not over 10" long.

DW
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 09, 2008, 12:34:16 PM
The housing is on the F2 is like the F3R, the problem that I have heard from more than one person (some drag guys as well) is the shaft wobbling inside.  With it spinning at 60,000 rmp, thats a lot of bearing and gear speed.  My friend blew his trans out before he got into high gear.  I am not knocking Procharger, just trying to find a solution before it becomes a problem.

I also looked at the supercharger store gear drive.  the two problems it has is it needs 14" in front of my engine, which I don't have and like you mentioned its $3000.  I am designing a gear drive to run all my pumps off the timing gear and the way I am leaning is to run a extra gear and step it to so I can run the blower at 8.5 to1.  So it will have the 5.4 to 1 in the trans and the second set on the step up will bring the final to 8.5 to 1. 

I also looked at running a 3" 15 rib belt.  When I have all this figured out I will post a picture.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 09, 2008, 01:38:26 PM
Troy, nice winch. Looks just like the one we are going to use this year. Last year we had one of those cheap 3500lb rolling winch you can get from summit, what a piece of s***. It would never spool right and always jam at the worst time when loading. Anyone putting a winch on your trailer, do your self a favor and get a good one at least 6000Lb Warn or Mile Marker.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2008, 03:47:59 PM
Troy, nice winch. Looks just like the one we are going to use this year. Last year we had one of those cheap 3500lb rolling winch you can get from summit, what a piece of s***. It would never spool right and always jam at the worst time when loading. Anyone putting a winch on your trailer, do your self a favor and get a good one at least 6000Lb Warn or Mile Marker.

Same with us, when we get the car half way in the old winch would lag and stop pulling.  It was a 4500# and this is an 8000#, should do the trick.  We will find out Tuesday night if it works.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 04:36:38 PM
............................. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222

So are you going to the carb??  Also are you going to put spill plates on top of the spoiler and run them to the axle?

c ya,

Sum

 Hi Sum
 The carb suggestion was for Magourmic, will stick with the mechancal for now unless i get completly frustrated.The guys at the dyno shop our FAST electronic dealers which i was glad to find out because they are less than 20 min from me.
 Will stick with existing spill plates for now and just add the bottom pieces. We hope to improve the airflow and downforce with them. The prostock guys don't use top spill plates and run their spoilers pretty flat.I talked to one pro stock guy a while back who said he would run the top spill plates if NHRA would let him.

                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 04:56:05 PM
Troy,

That looks fine as long as it is not over 10" long.

DW

   Hi Dan
 Thanks for getting right back on the spoiler. I was waiting for you to reply before i went any further.Anyhow its to damn hot to work on it this afternoon, suppost to reach 112 degrees today,got to get things done in the morning.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 09, 2008, 05:17:58 PM
............................. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222

So are you going to the carb??  Also are you going to put spill plates on top of the spoiler and run them to the axle?

c ya,

Sum

 Hi Sum
 The carb suggestion was for Magourmic, will stick with the mechancal for now unless i get completly frustrated.The guys at the dyno shop our FAST electronic dealers which i was glad to find out because they are less than 20 min from me.
 Will stick with existing spill plates for now and just add the bottom pieces. We hope to improve the airflow and downforce with them. The prostock guys don't use top spill plates and run their spoilers pretty flat.I talked to one pro stock guy a while back who said he would run the top spill plates if NHRA would let him.

                      JL222


Adding the tops would do two things.  One help with adding and moving the CP rearwards and two keeping the air on the spoiler and not letting it "spill" off the sides, also helping to keep the car running straight.  I would also keep the spoiler flat like you plan on doing.  I'm sure the two reasons I stated is why the pro stock guy would run them if allowed, especially #2.

I have wondered how to run the mechanical fuel injection and have it boost reference in case we went to a turbo set-up for Hooley's Stude and then the injectors would be seeing the boost pressure on them, which they aren't now since they are before the blower.  I didn't see a way and felt that would be a stumbling block,  but was told by a poster on here that there is a way and that he would explain it the next time he sees me.  I'll let him decide if he should jump in here and explain it publicly.

I'm anxious for your dyno run and the results  :-).  Good luck with that and I sure want to see you guys go fast this year.  You have sure put a lot of effort into the car and a good speed would be a good reward.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 06:31:38 PM
............................. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222

So are you going to the carb??  Also are you going to put spill plates on top of the spoiler and run them to the axle?

c ya,

Sum

 Hi Sum
 The carb suggestion was for Magourmic, will stick with the mechancal for now unless i get completly frustrated.The guys at the dyno shop our FAST electronic dealers which i was glad to find out because they are less than 20 min from me.
 Will stick with existing spill plates for now and just add the bottom pieces. We hope to improve the airflow and downforce with them. The prostock guys don't use top spill plates and run their spoilers pretty flat.I talked to one pro stock guy a while back who said he would run the top spill plates if NHRA would let him.

                      JL222


Adding the tops would do two things.  One help with adding and moving the CP rearwards and two keeping the air on the spoiler and not letting it "spill" off the sides, also helping to keep the car running straight.  I would also keep the spoiler flat like you plan on doing.  I'm sure the two reasons I stated is why the pro stock guy would run them if allowed, especially #2.

I have wondered how to run the mechanical fuel injection and have it boost reference in case we went to a turbo set-up for Hooley's Stude and then the injectors would be seeing the boost pressure on them, which they aren't now since they are before the blower.  I didn't see a way and felt that would be a stumbling block,  but was told by a poster on here that there is a way and that he would explain it the next time he sees me.  I'll let him decide if he should jump in here and explain it publicly.

I'm anxious for your dyno run and the results  :-).  Good luck with that and I sure want to see you guys go fast this year.  You have sure put a lot of effort into the car and a good speed would be a good reward.

c ya,

Sum

 Sum

Hilborn Fuel Injection makes a system for turbochargers that we tried to use at one time but just used part of the system,which is why it didn't work out.Go to page 9 of this build and you will see the boost referancing device.(on the fuel tank between my hands) the fuel returns from the barell valve and a boost line goes in on the other side as boost goes up it restricts fuel flow and richens the engine. You can also change the restriction in the boost line.Their system requires two separate nozles -8 idle -8-high speed.and various check valves. They used their systems on the Offy engines at Indy for years.their web site shows their system but not the whole picture as what is needed on the air bleeds on the idle or low speed circuit.
 We will stick with our old spill plates for now as they have worked for us in the past,and the bottom plates are easy to make.

         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 09, 2008, 06:39:41 PM
I have incorporated part of the Hilborn stuff along with Enderly and Kinsler into my fuel injection system. The Offy "GURU" Stewart Van Dyne is designing the system for me.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 06:51:24 PM
I have incorporated part of the Hilborn stuff along with Enderly and Kinsler into my fuel injection system. The Offy "GURU" Stewart Van Dyne is designing the system for me.

 Its good to have an expert with real experiance in your corner.I hope you can tell us all about it.

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 09, 2008, 09:27:57 PM
.........................Hilborn Fuel Injection makes a system for turbochargers that we tried to use at one time but just used part of the system,which is why it didn't work out.Go to page 9 of this build and you will see the boost referancing device.(on the fuel tank between my hands) the fuel returns from the barell valve and a boost line goes in on the other side as boost goes up it restricts fuel flow and richens the engine. You can also change the restriction in the boost line.Their system requires two separate nozles -8 idle -8-high speed.and various check valves. They used their systems on the Offy engines at Indy for years.their web site shows their system but not the whole picture as what is needed on the air bleeds on the idle or low speed circuit.............

Thanks for that explanation.  That makes sense and I went to their site and saw the parts you are talking about.  With EFI you usually boost reference the fuel pump and have it follow the boost up normally adding 1 lb. of pressure for each lb. of boost.  With the Hilborn sensor valve is there any kind of direct correlation or do you just have to put it on the dyno and adjust on it to get the tune you want??  Hopefully what I'm asking makes sense.

Thanks,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 09, 2008, 10:16:41 PM
JL222

I am lucky that Stewart is helping on this project.  Among others he has shortened the learning curve as well as the damaged parts.  As I get the set up together I will post pictures. Still trying to get all my ducks to gather to start a build page.  It’s hard to push things to get done when your getting freebies and friends helping you get things done.

Sum, since I am running a vintage motor, the fuel injection is mechanical and from what Stewart tells me. All of the adjusting and tuning will be done on the dyno.  With his check valve system I can put  a fuel curve with the mechanical injection.  For a better explanation you might want to give Stewart a call, he is in the rulebook.

For those of you who don't know Stewart Van Dyne, he was the head engine builder at Drake Offy and built the Indy 500 winning engine in Mark Donahue's car among other winning Offy engines.  He is also one innovator when it comes to engines and built them for stream liners to roadsters.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 09, 2008, 11:25:55 PM
If I get this thing to post it should be a picture of an Offy engine on the dyno at Drake Engineering around 1981. The serial number is: "The Last Offy" and I think Steward and John Drake built it for John Mallard. Not sure of the name. The pic is of the motor at 9500 rpm and making around 780 hp at 56 inches of boost. Offys and stock  blocks were given 56 inches and Cosworths ran at 49, I think. Chuck Kendal presently has the engine in his collection. I took the picture with my old Minolta 35 mm standing in the dyno room. What a blast!!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 10, 2008, 12:06:22 AM
If I get this thing to post it should be a picture of an Offy engine on the dyno at Drake Engineering around 1981. The serial number is: "The Last Offy" and I think Steward and John Drake built it for John Mallard. Not sure of the name. The pic is of the motor at 9500 rpm and making around 780 hp at 56 inches of boost. Offys and stock  blocks were given 56 inches and Cosworths ran at 49, I think. Chuck Kendal presently has the engine in his collection. I took the picture with my old Minolta 35 mm standing in the dyno room. What a blast!!!

Rex

Rex -Magourmic
 great picture Rex, 56'' is only 13 or 14 lbs boost, does Stewart or any body know what the boost and HP levels were before they put limits on.Turbos and especialy centrifugals.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 10, 2008, 01:25:04 AM
JL222

I don’t know if it was Rex or Stewart that told me, their was a Offy turbo on the dyno at Dan Gurney’s and the throttle stuck on it.  To stop it they started loading the dyno.  Finally when the dust cleared the dyno read either 1000 or 1200 HP.  Not bad for a 4 cylinder designed in the 40’s

Does anybody know the numbers for the Offy that George Parker ran in his stream liner?  I think it had a turbo.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2008, 10:35:30 PM
The sides on the spoiler are finished.  The paint needs to dry and then installed.  I will be up working on the winch and starting the car one final time so we can adjust the valves before we take it to the dyno on Wednesday.  I will take pictures on Tuesday and post that night.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2008, 10:43:14 PM
Today we got a good start on preparing the car for Bonneville.  We did a little fiberglass work on the front end, one more coat and it should be done.  Finished the installation of the winch, which works great.  We started the car again today and it sounded better than previous starts.  Going to the dyno tomorrow night.  The side plates are finished and we did a little touch up painting to some of the bad spots on our rear fender.  The car is all loaded up and ready to go to the dyno.  Here are a few pictures of the rear spoiler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2129.jpg)

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mtkawboy on July 16, 2008, 07:01:44 PM
All I get on the picture is 404-attachment not found. Dont know what Im doing wrong. Car looks great !!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 16, 2008, 07:20:26 PM
if your refering to the pictures above I can see them.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 16, 2008, 07:46:01 PM
Me too, but I know there are issues in some parts of the website, ie: Max's build.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 01:10:06 PM
had a long night at the dyno shop and going back this evening.  Have some pictures and video I need to download still.  The car sounds like a beast.  More to come later.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 17, 2008, 03:06:17 PM
had a long night at the dyno shop and going back this evening.  Have some pictures and video I need to download still.  The car sounds like a beast.  More to come later.

  The loud exhaust was vibrating the dyno computer hard drive so much that it would shut off the readings, so they stuck it in another room. Another pull later the sound blew out one bank of floresent lights ( about 12 ft high) and made all the lights go on and off rapidly.A long night, decided to quit at 3 am and go back at 6 pm today. Getting close on air fuel ratio -then change timeing- then full pull. I was amazed at how much they load the dyno,really makes the engine grunt.
    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 05:54:18 PM
Here are some photos of the car on the dyno. I will try to download a video a little later. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2134.jpg)

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 06:34:33 PM
First dyno attempt, only on the throttle for a few seconds to get a good Air/fuel ratio.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9Gf2jXQa4
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 06:50:59 PM
Here is the second video, still trying to get a better tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fla0GfFhd34
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on July 17, 2008, 08:05:22 PM
Thanks for the videos and good luck tonight.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 08:13:22 PM
This was the last video of the night and you can hear the engine sounding better.  We leaned it out more but didn't start it.  I will be leaving for the dyno again in a few minutes but wanted to get this one last video in.  Hope the videos are not overkill, because there will be at least two more after these.  Be back later tonight.  Enjoy. :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPhCP1pfBxI
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2008, 02:31:43 AM
Well, we got some numbers..... You ready for these, because i'm so excited i'm shaking while i'm typing. :-D  Torque numbers as of now, at the rear wheel is 1969.  Horsepower at the rear wheel, number is as of now 2093.8 and still needs about 32% more fuel. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 18, 2008, 04:58:26 AM
Well, we got some numbers..... You ready for these, because i'm so excited i'm shaking while i'm typing. :-D  Torque numbers as of now, at the rear wheel is 1969.  Horsepower at the rear wheel, number is as of now 2093.8 and still needs about 32% more fuel. :-D :-D :-D

  We ran out of pills and nozzles still lean on the top end. Going to try and use the boost sensing device to get more fuel on the top rpm's and less on the lower rpm's. 2093 hp at 5950 rpm.Were happy but they say there is more.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 18, 2008, 09:20:23 AM
Whoa -- the word "stout" comes to mind.  And there's more, they tell you?  Good luck. . .
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2008, 10:46:38 AM
I have to give the guys at Precision Auto a lot of cudos for helping us get to this number.  I would recommend there dyno to anyone near and around the Central valley in Cali.  They are pretty excited about the results as well, the previous best on their dyno was 1700hp.  We are not done testing there because we need to get the fuel curve better adjusted at the low rpms and get more fuel at the top.  My last video of the car on the dyno for awhile. :-D :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxH3Ltv9o0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 18, 2008, 12:44:06 PM
I have to give the guys at Precision Auto a lot of cudos for helping us get to this number.  I would recommend there dyno to anyone near and around the Central valley in Cali.  They are pretty excited about the results as well, the previous best on there dyno was 1700hp.  We are not done testing there because we need to get the fuel curve better adjusted at the low rpms and get more fuel at the top.  My last video of the car on the dyno for awhile. :-D :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxH3Ltv9o0

Unbelievable guys!!   

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 18, 2008, 03:22:12 PM
You might win the "most pony's on the salt award"
good job guy's!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on July 18, 2008, 08:20:30 PM
I have to give the guys at Precision Auto a lot of cudos for helping us get to this number.

Is that Justin Sharp at Precision Auto in Fresno?  Sounds like his voice on the last video...

Nick 3rd.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2008, 08:44:18 PM
I have to give the guys at Precision Auto a lot of cudos for helping us get to this number.

Is that Justin Sharp at Precision Auto in Fresno?  Sounds like his voice on the last video...

Nick 3rd.

Sounds like you know him.  Yeah great guy and knows his stuff.  He and his co-worker have a lot great ideas brewing in their heads.  Justin Sharp and his co-worker is Justin as well.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2008, 09:16:54 PM
Here is a video during the day.  We were having some difficulties with our MSD box and timing.  Anyway I chose this video to give thanks to the two guys working this shop.  Justin is in the car working the motor, and Owner Justin Sharp is the one walking in and out of the video screen and he is running the computer in the other room.  Thanks again J and J.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qURIkpGPZ5A
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 19, 2008, 01:26:25 PM
GREAT----what fun---you guys just have to be about to P on yourselves for excitement about the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! best of luck!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 19, 2008, 01:40:33 PM
GREAT----what fun---you guys just have to be about to P on yourselves for excitement about the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! best of luck!!!!!!!!!


    Your right Sparky. The only trouble is that its so rich on the bottom end at that hp level it might not take the gas at bville. We will be working on that problem next week.
     Good luck with your lakester and go fast!

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on July 19, 2008, 05:51:10 PM
That is just awesome guys,I hope you get it tuned out the rest of the way before b-ville.
By the way did you have a number on your old setup ?
Congrats once again !
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 19, 2008, 08:51:51 PM
That is just awesome guys,I hope you get it tuned out the rest of the way before b-ville.
By the way did you have a number on your old setup ?
Congrats once again !

    fast Evo
  Go to page 16 to view timeslips pg 18 to view projected speeds the new hp levels put the speeds way up there,
but doing it is another thing.
     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 20, 2008, 01:26:25 AM
might be doing you a favor---might not have to wory about blowing the tires off leaving the line
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2008, 08:53:39 PM
when it is that rich on the bottom it just wont take the gas.  We will get it right so we can leave hard. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 21, 2008, 06:40:34 PM
Holy moly - that thing's got some beans!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2008, 12:51:49 AM
first off the tabs on forum are not working properly, took a while to find the right toolbar.  Anyway we ordered some new parts today.  New ignition(programable digital 7 plus), larger fuel line comming from the shut off valve, a few different size nosles and a new tach.  We also received our new head safety padding. Plenty to do still. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 22, 2008, 12:54:09 AM
What size's are you guys running for fuel line and the returns, -10 and -8 or -8 and -6?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2008, 01:09:05 AM
from the tank to the pump the line is a 12, from the shut off to the barrel valve was a 6 and will be an 8.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 22, 2008, 01:19:28 AM
Just curious what size pump takes a -12?  I have a waterman 700 for my F2 and was thinking of going with -10 and -8.  Boy, and I  thought that was big. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2008, 01:40:00 AM
the pump is an 80a, 7.3 gpm
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on July 22, 2008, 01:27:48 PM

Sounds like you know him.  Yeah great guy and knows his stuff.  He and his co-worker have a lot great ideas brewing in their heads.  Justin Sharp and his co-worker is Justin as well.

Yes Troy, Justin is a good customer of mine.  He builds and tunes some bad @ss Toyota Supras and Hondas.  They know their stuff.

Nick 3rd.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2008, 03:19:05 PM
  Update on whats going on.The pump is a Enderly 80a flows 7.3 gal min on Joe Bogasian's flow bench. A few people thought we needed a bigger fuel pump but Jim at Enderly Thought we were still bypassing plenty of fuel and a bigger pump would just make it richer on the bottom end. Ordered more jets and waiting on them.
The problem with centrifugal and turbos is the boost and airflow come up on the square of the rpm so the fuel pump can't keep up. To solve the problem we will start tuning with the boost sensing device mounted on the fuel tank ( had it for years but to hard to tune with out dyno) this device senses the boost and restricts the flow from the barrel valve making the system richer as the boost comes up. Boost line from intake manifold on one side of sensor valve, fuel line return to tank on barrel valve on other side. also has what is called an A valve in line with boost line which is just a device to change a jet.The bigger the jet or (pill) the more boost the sensor sees and richens the system on the top end. Just what we need.
  Also ordered a new tach ( Auto Meter 9000rpm with 80 sec playback) This  will enable us to replay the entire run on the tach and show shift points and tire spin.(way cool). $239.88 from Summit.
  New MSD programable digital-7 plus ignition and digital-7 programmer from Jegs.com. You can do a lot with the timing with this ignition but i've always wanted one because of the ability to set how fast the engine revs.
This has allowed the 10.5'' dragtire doorslamers to go over 200mph at the drags. I've recommended this ignition in the past to solve wheelspin problems,so in a way i'am sort of glad the other ignition was acting up so i had an excuse to buy this one (except for the cost) and so close to beville.
 Our new rollcage padding arrived yesterday but the car is still on the dyno so can't install.
 Parts should be hear tomorrow install thursday.
 SPECIAL thanks to my understanding and supportive wife Linda.

                JL222
  

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 22, 2008, 03:52:16 PM
John thanks for the added info.  I imagine you have already done this, but how many by-pass circuits do you run with the barrel valve?  I'm only smart enough to ask the question, but Tom has sent me info before on running more circuits to help with the fuel demands at idle, part throttle and full throttle and even more if needed.  I don't know if there is an answer there somewhere or not?

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2008, 04:30:03 PM
John thanks for the added info.  I imagine you have already done this, but how many by-pass circuits do you run with the barrel valve?  I'm only smart enough to ask the question, but Tom has sent me info before on running more circuits to help with the fuel demands at idle, part throttle and full throttle and even more if needed.  I don't know if there is an answer there somewhere or not?

c ya,

Sum

  Hi Sum
 we just run one .With the hilborn setup they run 8 idle or low speed nozzles with check valve and 8 high speed nozzles , a bit complicated for me with no flow bench. + they have the boost sensing valve. We might be able to put a check valve before the barrel valve. We have an E valve that restricts flow at idle, but it didn't seem to help.
  Some of those check valves are set up after the barrel valve which we can't do with out changing every thing.
   also on the Hilborn set up it seems they had two returns to the tank.

                                   JL222                  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 22, 2008, 05:16:47 PM
I really admire guys that tackle constant flow injection for something like your engine. It is so huge and has so many really expensive parts, many of which can turn into junk with a small mistake on injector tuning. Constant flow injection tuning all gets down to trying to control the fuel pressure at the injector nozzle and the flow thru the nozzle is not directly proportional to the pressure it is related a square root function of pressure ratios and now your blower out put is big time non linear plus the barrel valve is a variable orifice. How do you do it!!!! I can see getting it to run at WOT but anything below that is just a big compromise. Of course it seems that electronic injection could be the answer but for a motor of the size you have plus the power that you are making the injector size gets huge!! You would probably need an injector that would flow 200 lbs/hr which is huge! Which shows one of the advantages of constant flow injection and that is you can really pour some fuel into big engines like yours at WOT. If you use a BSFC number of around .6 lb/hp-hr your engine would need about 1260 lbs of fuel per hour which is about 2.5 gallons per minute flow required from your pump which is rated at 7.3 gpm at WOT so you certainly have sufficient pump for WOT. Someone needs to make an electronic constant flow injection system. Use an electronic proportional pressure relief valve and then map the fuel system pressure required to provide the correct flow thru the injector nozzles at various engine speeds and loads, just like you would do with a electronic injection system that uses plus width injectors. Then you would have lots of fuel flow potential for big motors and you could more easily make the fuel curve fit the engines needs.

I cannot wait to see you guys in August!! You are my heros!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 22, 2008, 06:24:08 PM
............. Of course it seems that electronic injection could be the answer but for a motor of the size you have plus the power that you are making the injector size gets huge!! You would probably need an injector that would flow 200 lbs/hr which is huge! ...............

Probably the reason some use two sets of injectors.  Rex be sure and talk to me about this at Speed Week.  We are data logging fuel pressure I think in the distribution block and we only have one set of injectors in the hat for both low speed and WOT.  We are data logging, but not really knowing what to do with that info at this time.  Now bring me things we can try and accomplish without dyno time, which is pretty much out of the question for us expense wise.  Also I need to understand it, while you were graduating in engineering at the U. of Wyo. I switch to something easier  8-).

c ya in a few weeks and yes they are my heroes also and I love to hear that motor,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2008, 11:27:12 PM
 Rex and Sum
 The guys at Precision Auto said they would use two 160 lb per hr injectors per cylinder if we went electronic but i would like to do it with the mechanical. But not going to be stubborn about changing, to late this year anyhow.
 Hope to see both of you at Bville.

          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2008, 11:59:27 PM
   I ordered the new tach from Summit yesterday about 6 pm got an email from them shortly after saying it had been shipped  and it was delivered today at 5 pm and i'm at the end of the route! Pretty good huh? I'm about 25 miles east of Fresno Ca. and Summit is in Reno Nevada. Over the Sierra mountains.

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on July 23, 2008, 10:31:49 AM
Sumner, I have seen as many as three electronic fuel injectors per cylinder on some drag cars running on alcohol. My injectors are 150 lb per hour size and I have used a very small amount of duty cycles, however my engine is nothing like JL's. I sure hope they run good after all the work and $$$$$$$$$.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2008, 01:03:05 AM
  I was on my way to Precision Auto at 12.oo today (wed) to meet Troy and install new tach-fuel and boost lines, and there was the new ignition from Jegs at the gate. Where out in the country so they do that if the gate is closed. Any how ordered monday eve and had it wed morning, (25 bucks more for 2nd day from Ohio though) .So we were able to install the ignition also. Ready to fire but waiting on pills and nozzel jets.

       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on July 24, 2008, 01:50:00 PM
Rex and Sum
 The guys at Precision Auto said they would use two 160 lb per hr injectors per cylinder if we went electronic but i would like to do it with the mechanical. But not going to be stubborn about changing, to late this year anyhow.
 Hope to see both of you at Bville.

          JL222

That's funny that you posted this. I was reading this post from where I left off last time and I was going to suggest that you use 2 sets of 160 pounders and an electronic engine managment system and that thing would purrr like a kitten and then roar like a lion. But I totally understand if you want to run the mechanical injection because it is pretty cool but it will never run as good as a well tuned electronic setup.

I should of clarified myself when I asked you if you had a number on the car, what I meant was did you have a previous hp number that you ran your last speed numbers with.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2008, 01:08:18 AM
1 fast evo, in the chart we had up we were on pace to go over 300 when our overdrive in the tranny broke.  With that speed we assumed we were putting out about 1600HP.  We never had it on a dyno before this year.

Took some pictures of some of our new toys.

Digital 7 plus ingntion.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2135.jpg)

Programmer for the ignition.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2139.jpg)

Now how do you program it?

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2140.jpg)

New memory playback tach.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2138.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2008, 08:00:50 PM
We started it up again with all the new do dads on it.  Took a bit to get the new set up and barrel valve close enough for it to run clean.  Our last start up was very responsive and crisp, so on Monday we will run the car on the dyno and see what it will do.  Hopefully that will be the last day on the dyno and we will be able to take it home and get it ready to load. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on July 25, 2008, 11:33:02 PM
I know very little about big motors but on my turbo busa I use a rising rate regulator that raises fuel pressure as boost comes on, and is controlled by directly by the amount of boost made.

Seems like something like a boost controlled compensating regulator would also be useful in regulating fuel pressure to a motor like this.

To be honest….I don’t even know if a product like this is even available for a motor like this!

IMO, bvillercr=balls.
It is one thing to build a purpose built streamliner or lakester with these speed aspirations. It is quite another to take a door slammer whose intended factory speed was not more than 100 and make it go this fast.

God speed brotha & good luck.

-JH





Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 26, 2008, 12:58:47 AM
I know very little about big motors but on my turbo busa I use a rising rate regulator that raises fuel pressure as boost comes on, and is controlled by directly by the amount of boost made.

Seems like something like a boost controlled compensating regulator would also be useful in regulating fuel pressure to a motor like this.

To be honest….I don’t even know if a product like this is even available for a motor like this!

IMO, bvillercr=balls.
It is one thing to build a purpose built streamliner or lakester with these speed aspirations. It is quite another to take a door slammer whose intended factory speed was not more than 100 and make it go this fast.

God speed brotha & good luck.

-JH







  JH
 Our fuel pump is mechanical and we have had a boost sensing device (made by hilborn fuel injection for Indy turbo engines originaly) mounted on our fuel tank for years. We tried it once but made it way to rich and did not have time to waste runs tuning it.
 Now that the car is on the dyno we hooked it up and can adjust the tuning per dyno pull and get a true airfuel ratio,much faster.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 26, 2008, 01:10:58 AM
Hotnuts, this car was actually built specific for the speeds we are trying to achieve.  We just haven't been active for about five years and a couple before that.  We ran this car in the late 80's and every year in the 90's.  We went the fastest in 94', but I wasn't there to see it. :cry:  college got in my way that year.  Hopefully this year will be easier on us than in the past, seems like we are always fixing something.  Our new build has been an improvement over our last set up in many ways.   :-D  Good luck to everyone at Speed Week(hope to meet the rest of U nuts on the salt). :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 26, 2008, 10:47:13 AM
................  JH
 Our fuel pump is mechanical

JH I'll just add that since the pump is belt driven it also moves more fuel and the pressure goes up with the rpm vs. an electric pump that is constant but that is easy to boost reference with the regulator.  There is no regulator in their system as you know it, just the "pill" that is a jet more or less that returns fuel to the tank after the pump.  What doesn't go back to the tank goes to the nozzles. 

The barrel valve you hear about is a pretty crude ramp shaped slot on the outside of a round cylinder that is inside of a cylinder and as it turns it lets more or less fuel go past it and it is there to control fuel on the idle and part of the intermediate circuits.  Once you get past where the ramped shaped slot works it is all the pill and you can have a couple different circuits with different pills that can also be controlled by the barrel valve as it turns when the throttle is depressed.  The picture below shows one possible setup...........

(http://www.team-interceptor.dk/images/tek_enderle_alc.jpg)

.......... where there is a high speed circuit that delivers more fuel when needed to the second set of nozzles (one set in this case in the ports and a second set up in the hat where the air enters the system.

The hard (simple system) part to remember is you control the fuel that returns to the tank after the pump with the barrel valve and the "pill" and what doesn't go back to the tank has to go to the nozzles and the motor. 

It is a crude but effective system, but you can see why with computers EFI just gives you so much more adjust ability anywhere in the fuel curve under about any condition of throttle position, vacuum/boost, etc. that you can run into. 

Note: If I got any of the above wrong as I'm still learning with our system please don't hesitate to correct me.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2008, 12:24:47 AM
We may be doing a few things differently if we have time.  Bville is comming up fast and do not know if we can get them finished in time.  I will know tomorrow if the changes will occur, so in the mean time a little suspense. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 29, 2008, 11:33:14 AM
We may be doing a few things differently if we have time.  Bville is comming up fast and do not know if we can get them finished in time.  I will know tomorrow if the changes will occur, so in the mean time a little suspense. :-D

EFI  :?  :?  :? ,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2008, 11:01:22 PM
I've got a couple pictures of the car.  The car had to be moved off the dyno so another car could get tuned.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2141.jpg)

Justin Coffman is a tuner and a welder.  His will be working on our inter-cooler, trying to stop the leaking.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2145.jpg)

Oh yeah, were missing something.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2144.jpg)

Ok, here was the deal.  We installed the new tach and ignition on Friday and got it running pretty good and we stopped fairly early that night, around 9pm.  We came back on Monday to run it on the dyno and the thing just wouldn't run right. Touchy MFI.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2142.jpg)

So the decision was made today to install the Sumner solution(He guessed correctly).  Pretty easy guess I suppose.  Anyway we went with the EFI FAST system.  Two nossles per cylinder, a larger fuel pump and so on.  Hopefully we get this car back home by early next week, cause we still have things to do of course.  So much for getting done early this year.  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 29, 2008, 11:15:33 PM
Hey I bet you aren't going to make any more HP, but you will have it everywhere!!!  Probably a tough decision to make this late in the game, but I think in the long run and hopefully in a few days it will be the right one and pay off big for you guys.  Sounds like you are working with the right bunch of guys to make this happen.

The best of luck,

Sum

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2008, 11:21:51 PM
When we did our dyno pull J. Sharp said that it still needs more fuel, and that it would make more power.  They do believe that it will make more.  I agree with you that it will be much smoother off the line and with a more controlled throttle. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2008, 12:48:04 AM
Hey I bet you aren't going to make any more HP, but you will have it everywhere!!!  Probably a tough decision to make this late in the game, but I think in the long run and hopefully in a few days it will be the right one and pay off big for you guys.  Sounds like you are working with the right bunch of guys to make this happen.

The best of luck,

Sum

 

 Hi Sum

 That 2096 hp was at 6000, they shut the pull down because it showed lean on the screen.We expect more when we get to 7000 rpm.
  Pretty good for mechanical though. It was just to finicky about starting and fouling plugs, in the past if it didn't start on the line we could pushstart it but with the Owens trans (the type that we have)the engine will only turn over in high gear.The engine has to be running to turn the planatary gears. Getting to old for that type of stress,besides Gary Hart was making me jealous.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on July 30, 2008, 10:39:18 AM
You guys are going to like the efi. I admire your courage to make such a change this late in the game. I was worried that you were going to be too lean down track and damage that expensive engine, now you can tune the fuel map for any load and rpm, I think you made the right choice, when I ran the roots blower with the mechanical injection I would leave the line real rich and down track I would be running too lean and too much heat in the incoming air. I look forward to seeing you guys again..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2008, 08:59:38 PM
Looks like it might get a little tight getting finished, but we will make it.  I finished making the brackets for the helmet padding.  Just need to weld the brackets on and we are done with them.  Still waiting on EFI, looks like early to mid next week before we get all of the components needed.  We just need to stay ahead of the EFI and get everything else ready so we can put the finishing touches on the car when we get it back.  See ya soon.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2146.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2008, 12:13:19 AM
We got a few things finished today.  We got the new helmet padding welded onto the funny car cage.  We also put a little wheel on our push bar so the bar wouldn't create so much friction when pushing off.  Still trying to fix the intercooler, we are getting closer every time we add 5 min. epoxy!!! :-o  We are also waiting on all of the EFI parts and the waterman fuel pump. :evil:  The pump should be done next week, hopefully everything else will be done before it arrives.  Starting to stress. :cry:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2008, 11:00:03 PM
I have been told that all of the EFI components will be delivered tomorrow around noon.  The fuel pump should arrive Mon, we hope.  Looks like it will be a long weekend. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 07, 2008, 11:37:34 PM
You guys will make it! your RACERS. look forward to meeting you.

 Gary  DCWATERJET
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2008, 10:00:04 AM
You guys will make it! your RACERS. look forward to meeting you.

 Gary  DCWATERJET

The guys at the shop are going to work on it until it is finished, and then we can tune it and dyno it again.  We will be there even if we are a day or two late.  We plan on arriving in Wendover Saturday night. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 12:31:23 AM
  Fast (comp cams) shipped everything on the 7th but shipped it ground instead of next day! AUGGH! TRUCKSTOP TRUCKSTOP TRUCKSTOP!!!
 Justin is trying to get the shipment offloaded were he can fly and pick it up if possible,(and bill comp cams) otherwise not due to 13th.
  Trouble is we have friends and relatives coming and we have the shade.
                     
                             JL222                                   
                                     
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 09, 2008, 12:37:56 AM
  Fast (comp cams) shipped everything on the 7th but shipped it ground instead of next day! AUGGH! TRUCKSTOP TRUCKSTOP TRUCKSTOP!!!
 Justin is trying to get the shipment offloaded were he can fly and pick it up if possible,(and bill comp cams) otherwise not due to 13th.
  Trouble is we have friends and relatives coming and we have the shade.
                     
                             JL222                                   
                                     

That sucks! Good luck, we are rooting for you.......

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: racergeo on August 09, 2008, 02:20:44 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 10:32:20 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08
[/quote
                             
                     
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 10:42:28 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08
[/quote



                             
                     

        Your more full of crap than a Chrismas turkey

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2008, 11:32:52 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08

Not sure how to respond to this?  We are a little frustrated right now with the EFI delivery problem, and your statement sounds to me a little sarcastic towards our build.  I could be wrong and hope that I am.  We have been trying to get this car ready for a long time, and when we thought we had something going in the right direction the engine tune went south for no reason.  We then try to switch to EFI at the last minute and have this problem again.  We did not want to have to rush to get this car ready for this speed week, but here we are again not ready.  We will do everything we can to be at speed week in a week. :x 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on August 09, 2008, 11:42:23 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08

Not sure how to respond to this?  We are a little frustrated right now with the EFI delivery problem, and your statement sounds to me a little sarcastic towards our build.  I could be wrong and hope that I am.  We have been trying to get this car ready for a long time, and when we thought we had something going in the right direction the engine tune went south for no reason.  We then try to switch to EFI at the last minute and have this problem again.  We did not want to have to rush to get this car ready for this speed week, but here we are again not ready.  We will do everything we can to be at speed week in a week. :x 

I think George saw the heading of the thread "Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)" and didn't realize it was about your guys car and just wanted us to know what he had been up to and that he was ready.  I might be wrong, but I feel his post had nothing to do with you guys.

I hope you get the parts coming and get things done.  Knowing you guys and the fact that you got some other dedicated guys helping now I'll bet you will be on the salt and running.  I might have to pull the new motor out of my truck Monday and put the old one in  :cry:, I'll know more tomorrow, but that is small compared to what you guys are trying to get accomplished.

I got faith in ya, so c ya there,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on August 09, 2008, 11:46:05 AM
"...The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth..."

Well George,

Looks like we get to pull a head in impound doesn't it?

DW
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on August 09, 2008, 11:58:25 AM
If guys haven't received your waterman pump yet, I have a new cam driven  Waterman 700 pump you can borrow.  It will cots you a beer.  Let me  know if you want it and I can next day air to you.

Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 12:01:13 PM
 
  Do you guys have to physlcally have your leg pulled to know when its being pulled?

                           JL222 :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: racergeo on August 09, 2008, 12:04:51 PM
  
      In all seriousness Dee Dub, if I see you in impound I'll pull the pan. Im about a 100 hours away from finish but as we get closer more people are chipping in. Won't get there till Monday as we did'nt get rooms till Wed. Also I notice I'm on the wrong thread. Sorry. Been working on this thing 10 to 14 hours a day and am getting burned out.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 12:09:02 PM
If guys haven't received your waterman pump yet, I have a new cam driven  Waterman 700 pump you can borrow.  It will cots you a beer.  Let me  know if you want it and I can next day air to you.

Tony

[/quote

 Thanks Maguromic but were waiting on a 1200 (bypassing a lot of fuel but its what fast recommends)
                                
                                                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 12:20:31 PM
 Maguromic



   Come by our pits and have a beer anyhow.

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2008, 12:43:05 PM
 
      In all seriousness Dee Dub, if I see you in impound I'll pull the pan. Im about a 100 hours away from finish but as we get closer more people are chipping in. Won't get there till Monday as we did'nt get rooms till Wed. Also I notice I'm on the wrong thread. Sorry. Been working on this thing 10 to 14 hours a day and am getting burned out.

No worries, we understand the hours that are put in and the mind confusion when trying to wind down. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 06:01:27 PM
 
 Bvillercr
 Some people you don't want to believe (even if you know their telling the truth) :-o
 
                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on August 09, 2008, 08:07:10 PM
George,

I don't do pans anymore.

DW
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 11, 2008, 11:12:16 AM
John and Troy, what's the latest on the efi changover. Hope all is going as planned, which it never does, hope you get through the hurdles anyway, see you on the salt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2008, 12:24:26 PM
We are going to pick it up at the fedex terminal when it  comes in either tues. afternoon or wednesday morning.  We are all packed and just waiting on the system to arrive and then it is on.  We will be there even if we are a couple days late. :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 11, 2008, 12:37:15 PM
Do you have all the sensors, fuel rails and injectors installed? Are you waiting on the ecu and fuel pump? Cya
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2008, 02:04:39 PM
we are waiting on all of our efi products and fuel pumps.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: comp on August 11, 2008, 07:29:16 PM
we are waiting on all of our efi products and fuel pumps.

 good luck
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2008, 10:35:59 PM
Fuel pump should be in town tomorrow, EFI should be at the FedEx terminal either tomorrow or Wednesday morning.  Justin C and J Sharp say they will work on the car until it is complete.  Not sure when that will be, but we are confident we will make speed week. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2008, 11:43:03 AM
Looks like the Fast system will be delivered today.  So we will see how long it will take to install, hopefully we can be finished on the dyno Fri so we can leave on Sat. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2008, 11:58:29 PM
We received the fast today and they didn't ship the second pair of fuel rails or the bungs for the injectors to sit in. :evil:  They were ordered today and shipped overnight, confirmed on that shipment.  Mean while we wired the whole unit and it is ready to go.  Here are a few pictures of what we have so far.

The dash has a new piece of aluminum and its new components mounted on it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dash1.jpg)

Dash is in the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dash2.jpg)

The large wiring harness comming through the firewall.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/fastwire.jpg)

The TPS sensor.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tps.jpg)

The water temp. sensor.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/watersensor.jpg)

The 5 bar boost sensor.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/boosst.jpg)

The boost regulator.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/boostcontrol.jpg)

And a custom made power cord, which is about 8 feet long.  Fit perfect to one of our battery boxes.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/powercable.jpg)

Tomorrow the manifold will be machined and fitted for the injectors and bungs.  We need to get the intercooler drilled and tapped for another sensor for intercooler temps.  We also need to install a water temperature gauge in the dash for us to see.  Justin Coffman and Sharp seem to think we will get it started.  We will see if we get that far, it would be great if we did. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 13, 2008, 01:46:04 AM
Keep on thrashing Troy!! We are rooting for you guys!!

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 13, 2008, 02:03:19 AM
Wow, what a thrash. Hopefully a 300+ record will make all this last minute stuff forgettable. Good luck fellas, hope you make it!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2008, 10:21:30 AM
Thanks for the encouragement, we were a little down when we heard the FAST unit was shipped ground.  Completion of the unit should be sometime tonight, and probably dyno time on Thursday.  I will video it, but probably post it after speedweek.  I haven't even done my laundry or packed yet. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on August 13, 2008, 01:27:02 PM
You guys are awesome!
I'm rooting for you all the way. I can't wait to see how well the electronic injection works out for you.
I would also like to thank you very much for keeping us posted as time flys by, it feels like it's my car because it is almost always the same last minute crap with it.
Best of luck!
I hope to see you at speed week.

Mike Reichen
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 13, 2008, 01:36:18 PM
   Everybody is wellcome to stop by our pits to get a live look ay our car and say hello,(don't be shy).
 Ed Whitley is saving us a spot near the front,look for Langlo racing #222 on trailer.
   Got air temp sensor hole tapped in intercooler heading to Precision Auto to install it and hopefully fuel pump.
                            
                         Good luck everybody at Bville JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2008, 05:02:15 PM
The fuel rails came in and are at the machine shop with the manifold getting prepped for installation.  Fuel pump also came and is already installed.  I'm heading to Precision Auto now and will give an update later tonight.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on August 13, 2008, 05:27:24 PM
I have been following your build with awe and anticipation.  You have an exciting car and the potential is there.  Glad to see you chasing the big numbers.  We are pulling for you!   Good luck and I will be watching for the report!

Geo
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 14, 2008, 04:30:30 AM
  Well its just after 1 am west coast time, left Precision Auto at 12.22 (222) our car # good omen,we need it.
 Troy - Justin -Justin and Cory still there working like mad,listening to hard rock (bang your head our something)
 extra loud, and drinking rum and coke. These guys really do enjoy their work.
 Got the fuel pump and shut off on, new bigger shut off line to tank installed -new electric water temp and helmet seat pad on. Intake manifold all machined for injectors When i left Justin C was starting to weld top bungs in and Justin S was drilling and tapping fuel rails.They want it on the dyno tomorrow,final tune on friday and teach Troy and I how to download and store runs and change things. They want us to email the runs so they can look it over and tell us what and how to change the Fast unit if needed. Times our changing.

                                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2008, 10:40:17 AM
When I left around 1:30 they had finished welding half of the manifold.  The manifold needed to be heated up so much to weld that the welder kept getting too hot and throwing the breaker.  All of the rails were completed and Justin Sharp relieved Justin C on the welding, it was hot in the shop and welding must have been a mother with the heat.  Not sure how late they worked, will be there today before noon.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 14, 2008, 05:59:40 PM
bviller,
Two words describe you and they guys working on your car and engine. RACING DOGS!!!!!

Can't wait to see you at the Salt!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 14, 2008, 06:51:48 PM
b'viller...just don't make Jay help you.

See u on the Salt.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 14, 2008, 11:47:23 PM
Wish we could be there to watch you run.  There's nothing like the rush of being behind the 8 ball and getting the job done.  Especially when there is over 2000hp involved...
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2008, 08:07:39 AM
Just got home and out of the shower, it is now 5am.  Had some issues with the fuel rails and finishing them up.  Had a little problem with the ignition, our tuner didn't push the hot wire in far enough to get good contact thus no start.  In the end when we did finally get the timing right the car idled and sounded really good.  The car will go on the dyno later today and hopefull loaded on the trailer by 7pm.  Time to sleep now. :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2008, 12:49:02 PM
A few photos of our EFI system. 

Rails are all done.  Just needs fittings and fuel lines.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/manifold.jpg)

Manifold is on the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/manifold2.jpg)

The two Justins hooking up the wiring harnesses.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/jnj.jpg)

Manifold and system is almost finished.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/manifold3.jpg)

JL222 and Justin Coffmann working on the initial set up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/justin.jpg)

Some how we lost a couple A.N fittings so we started the car with only two fuel rails hooked up.  Today the throttle body and the rest of the fuel rails will be complete.  Later today we will put the car on the dyno and get a final tune and some dyno pulls.  I will keep you updated.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: comp on August 15, 2008, 01:07:53 PM
 great pics  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 15, 2008, 02:15:02 PM
Great that you took the time to post.

You have been dedicated to this build site and you are to be commended.

I THANK you for all the people that have enjoyed your contributions.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 15, 2008, 03:45:04 PM
b'viller...just don't make Jay help you.

See u on the Salt.

FREUD
[/quote

 Jay and Arley have had their problems with the top fuel car,but i'll never forget that we finished up the car for 6 months at his shop (por nada) when we got it from Pro Chassis and all the work that he personally did.
 I believe Arley is concentrating on his streamiliner now. It just got to costly to even atempt to run in top fuel (with no sponsers)but they will probably try again knowing Jay and his tenacity.

       Hope to see you at Bville JL222
 
 P.S. you don't make Jay do anything.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2008, 11:15:19 AM
It wouldn't be a normal year if we weren't thrashing!  We had some problems yesterday.  One of our second set of fuel rails was leaking when we fired it up.  Once we think we got it fixed another leak would apear.  We finally welded the ends of the fuel rail to fix it and then the starter started to fail.  After another long day/night/morning we decided to try again today.  We will take out our pain in the but starter and either replace it or rebuild it.  The starter is pinned through the case in just the right spot so buying a new one will make it difficult to position it to work.  Anyway today will not be our departure date.  Maybe tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest, we just don't know at this time.  If at all possible we will be there this meet. :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 17, 2008, 01:17:39 PM
We took out the old starter yesterday and found that the snout on the casing had broke.  The good news was that my dad had a spare starter to put on.  Well it broke soon also. :evil:  The good news is we got another new starter.  This starter is the replacement upgrade for the old starter.  We are using the stock hemi starter from NAPA.  This one looks to be a gear reduction starter and should hopefully hold up.  We are also going to get a spare today just in case we need one.  We may order a super starter, but it won't be here in time to take it with us to Bville.  We all needed a brake from this car, we are exhausted from the long late hours.  We stopped working last night around 9 and the two Justins needed a break as well.  My dad seems to be doing better than all of us.(truckstop old fart) :-D  Anyway the car is on the dyno and running, but the tune is still too rich on the bottom and we will need most of Monday to do more dyno testing.  Not sure if tuesday will be our departure date but we hope it is.  If not Wednesday at the latest.  Precision Auto owner Justin Sharp and fellow tuner Justin Coffman are seriously thinking of flying in to help us tune this thing on the salt if needed.  They are pretty enthusiastic about helping us go fast.  Anyway that is pretty much all that is going on to date.  We will hit it hard on Monday.  Here is a photo of the engine completed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/engine.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 17, 2008, 01:26:15 PM
Troy,

        I think you guys made a great call on taking a break! Sometimes you need to walk away and gather your thoughts. It always seems like when you put all the time in like you guys have done you end up chasing your tail and not be all that efficient(at least for me), you then take a break and come back with fresh minds and everything seems like a breeze to get through. You guys are doing awesome work and please continue to keep us posted.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 17, 2008, 02:41:29 PM
 The reason i'm doing better is because i supervise more and Troys been doing the starter work under the car
(truckstop young fart).

                            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 17, 2008, 11:20:45 PM
Troy,

        I think you guys made a great call on taking a break! Sometimes you need to walk away and gather your thoughts. It always seems like when you put all the time in like you guys have done you end up chasing your tail and not be all that efficient(at least for me), you then take a break and come back with fresh minds and everything seems like a breeze to get through. You guys are doing awesome work and please continue to keep us posted.

Scott

The break has already helped, spent some needed time with the family before we leave and the rest oh the rest was good.  Yesterday I felt like a zombie, brain function was not very good nor was my patience or attitude.  Much calmer now and hopefully tomorrow will bring good things. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 18, 2008, 12:15:54 AM
Troy,

        I think you guys made a great call on taking a break! Sometimes you need to walk away and gather your thoughts. It always seems like when you put all the time in like you guys have done you end up chasing your tail and not be all that efficient(at least for me), you then take a break and come back with fresh minds and everything seems like a breeze to get through. You guys are doing awesome work and please continue to keep us posted.

Scott

The break has already helped, spent some needed time with the family before we leave and the rest oh the rest was good.  Yesterday I felt like a zombie, brain function was not very good nor was my patience or attitude.  Much calmer now and hopefully tomorrow will bring good things. :-D

Awesome! We are pulling for you......... :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2008, 04:08:45 AM
Well, it wouldn't be a normal day for us until something goes wrong.  We had two minor oil leaks one at the valve cover and the other at the fuel pump.  The one at the valve cover did scare us enough to pull the cover and do a compression test.  No damage just a smokey scare.  After that we went on with the tuning process.  The car has never sounded this good ever!!  I'm waiting for a video to load before I go to sleep but it is taking too long.  So I will post it later.  Troy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on August 19, 2008, 06:08:14 AM
Troy & Crew,You guys are truely "above and beyond" On behalf of the DLRA (here downunder),we wish you all the best with your efforts,and hope you get the run you have earned!Wish I was there to see it run. Cheers, Bob. DLRA #66 C/GCC.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2008, 09:41:39 AM
Bob thanks for the response.  Here is the last video until we get back.  Hopefully I will have a few videos from inside the car as we run, not sure if the DVR will hold up to the vibration or noise though. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 19, 2008, 10:50:29 AM
Bob thanks for the response.  Here is the last video until we get back.  Hopefully I will have a few videos from inside the car as we run, not sure if the DVR will hold up to the vibration or noise though. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0

I’ve been watching this thread for quite some time now and all I can say is your dedication to this project and making sure that everything is totally dialed in is a true testament as to the kind of racers that you and your family truly are. I wish you the best of luck when you guys roll that baby onto the salt, so quit dicking around with videos on the internet and get that sucker to B’ville and leg it!!! Good luck guys and we all look forward to hearing about your trip to the salt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 19, 2008, 11:00:49 AM
Sounds awesome. Hope I am there to hear that thunder as it goes out the back on a record run!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 22, 2008, 11:24:36 AM
Does anyone have a report on these guys? I'm guessing that no posts means they're on the salt! Sure hope everything is going great...it sure sounds bad ass on the video :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wolcottjl on August 23, 2008, 07:36:29 PM
From the SCTA site.  Doesn't look so good.

222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 242.144 257.810 193.102 0.000 0.000
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: RichFox on August 23, 2008, 10:00:55 PM
Looks like it spun on record return.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 23, 2008, 10:47:21 PM
I heard there was concern in inspection about the intercooling plumbing in the passenger compartment.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 24, 2008, 12:41:12 PM
Yesterday's runs after the spin:

222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 223.086 236.434 194.648 0.000 0.000   
222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 203.365 208.716 0.000 0.000 0.000   
222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 241.292 244.836 263.147 269.959 244.649

This morning's record run:

222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 238.786 248.264 219.980 0.000 0.000

Congrats, guys!  You certainly earned it!

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 06:26:07 PM
My dad drove the car the first day and I drove the rest of the week.  We had plenty of problems while racing in which I will post later.  The car ran great!  We just couldn't get a consistant run in without concerns.  We only ran a couple of really good runs and never powered through the 5, I did get really sideways and had to abort a record return run.  I was trying to run too hard to the 3 and never spun the tires but when I put the foot down the torque of the car would shoot me right and I would have to back out of it.  Anyway I have a fantasy football draft right now and no way of contacting my league. :evil:  Got to go and I will post back later.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 06:43:23 PM
Oh yeah I forgot to say that I got a red hat. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 24, 2008, 07:01:16 PM
Oh yeah I forgot to say that I got a red hat. :-D

Awesome!! All the hard work paid off!! :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 07:42:35 PM
Ok, my football draft is in 2 hours so I will give an update of the week.  We left Fresno around 9:30am, we got to Reno around 4:30pm and this is where the trouble started.  As we were driving a truck pulled up to us and was pointing down at our trailer tire, we had a flat.  We pulled over into the Nugget parking lot to fix it.  It only took about 30 minutes.  So off we went, 15 minutes another truck pulles up to us and points to the same side and another flat tire, we pull over and now we only have three tires on the trailer that work.  We call around for about an hour and we decide to drive to Fernley which was only about 15 minutes away.  We got D and D tire to make an after hour fix.  We got 4 new tires with a higher load rating and then we were off around 8:30.  We finally make it into Wendover at 4:30 in the morning(time adjusted) and got a few hours of sleep.  Now it's Wednesday and we got through inspection and get ready to run.  My dad is in the car and realizes that his bi-focal glasses are interferring with his vision as his head is tilted and can't see very well.  So he desides to run anyway because he can see ok.  His run was pretty good but he blew a blower tube off and had to shut down.  He went about 198 and shut off before the 2.  As he was getting out of the car he used the windshield as leverage to get out.  And baaaamm the window broke, and landed flat on his back.  Luckily he was fine.  We thought our week was over.  That night we did a little reseach on phone numbers of salvage yards from Elko to Salt lake.  We found a window in Wells. :-D  The window was going for $40 but it would be faster to buy the whole door in which we paid $60.  So on Thursday we fixed the window and blower tube by 2pm and the course was shut down soon there after because of wind.  Friday I got in the car for the second time ever at Bville and the car was unbelievably fast.  I was all over the course because of the torque of the engine, I wasn't spinning the tires at all.  On friday I went thru the 1/4 at 242 and the mile at 257 and one of the blower tubes came off.  So I shut down the run, but we qualified for the record. :-D  Saturday morning I ran and was really trying to go fast too soon.  I tried to get the car going faster sooner and when I got the RPM's up around 6000 it really took off.  So much so that I got pretty out of shape, so much so the tower or patrol thought that I had spun.  Record run attempt finished. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 08:15:09 PM
Sorry I didn't know how much I could write at one time.  Anyway we had to get re-inspected and after that we got back in line to run.  The next run I took it easy at the begining and charged hard after I was in high gear.  Again a blower tube blew off.  I went thru the 1/4 at 223 and the mile at 236 and shut down.  I decided not to go to impound because I wanted to go more than the first mile.  So we really fixed the blower tube by pop riviting a strap on both sides of the tubing and then got back in line.  On the next run the intercooler leaked so bad that when I took off water was comming out of the exhaust.  It was so bad the push truck got drenched with water.  Needless to say the car ran terrible.  Thinking this could be my last run I took it thru the mile hopeing I would qualify.  I didn't.  We did have enough time to fix the problem and get back in line.  The next run we had more problems at the start.  I had smoke comming off the stearing wheel.  The wire going to the starter had a bare spot and got too hot and was burning inside the car.  We thought we fixed it and started the car and again it started to smoke.  Not knowing if we had enough time we took 90% of the wire out and replaced it.  We got to make one final run and we almost made a full pass.  Started off good in 1st and short shifted to second, the engine sputtered pretty bad and wouldn't pick up the RPM's so I short shifted 2nd, 3rd was better and took it up to about 5500 and shifted into high gear and let her go.  I went thru the 1/4 at 241 and had to back out a little because of driver error and got back into it and went thru the mile at 244, it started pulling real good and went thru the 4 at 263 then as I got to about the 4 1/4 I thought the blower tube broke again and coasted thru the 5 at 269 with and exit speed of 244.  So as I was slowing down I could still hear a whistling sound and I could see that the blower tube was ok.  When I stopped I realized that it was a Co2 line got too hot and was leaking so I shut off the bottle and was happy it wasn't the blower tube.  We were happy to qualify again.  So on Sunday morning in inpound we fired it up to get it warm and found out that the intercooler had blew apart at one of the bottom welds.  In a panic we fixed up some epoxy and applied it and put a tin sheet over it and a bunch of paper towels over it to help seal it.  By the time we fixed it we were the last car to run.  We were told if we didn't push up we wouldn't be able to run.  We were ready by then and I was suiting up.  As I took off the engine and intercooler was working well.  About the 1 1/2 I could see paper towel/epoxy mixture hitting the dash, so I thought it would be over soon.  At about the 2 3/4 something blew and I lost a lot of power.  We went thru the 1/4 at 238 and the mile at 248.  When we got back to impound and took the hood off there was no blower belt.  Our tuners went to get our time slip and then went down the course to find the blower belt.  They said the course was really bad in the middle and that they pick up the blower belt at the 2 1/4. :-o  I had no idea it blew that soon.  So that was our story of Bville this year and I want to thank Justin Coffman and Justin Sharp with their extreme talant and tuning capabilities.  We have never ran 4 times in one day, with their help we got the record and I got a red hat. :-D  They are now hooked and will be tuning more cars from Bville and may be comming back in Oct. with inspectors Ed W, Gene, and Gary to get their license passes and now they have the Bonneville bug. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 24, 2008, 08:18:22 PM
Way to go guys. I have been watching on the intrernet every evening at the motels, we're still on the way home, we are in Alamosa, Colorado tonight. We are taking out time traveling, and helped a guy with tire/wheel trouble on a small camper trailer. Cya
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 24, 2008, 08:33:29 PM
Awesome Troy!! When you guys get all of these new build problems worked out and can go full throttle that car is going to fly!!

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on August 24, 2008, 08:39:51 PM
Way to go guys  :-D, enjoyed talking to dad under the car.  I can't imagine anyone working harder than you guys did and congrats on the red hat.  You deserve it!!!

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 09:27:21 PM
Thanks guys and Summner thanks for helping out with the steering problem we had.  A couple things that I forgot about.  There were so many things that happened to us I forgot to mention that when my dad made his run the car was torque steering on him as well and the steering on the car itself had a grimmey, rusty spot on the shaft.  He could barely steer the thing while he was going down the course, and Summner hopped down on the ground and got dirty sanding the steering shaft.  Thanks again Sum.  Another problem we had was on Saturday our headers were badly cracked in many spots.  I went to the Burklin crew, but they were already loaded up and really couldn't help us so then I went to the Blowfish crew and they were loaded as well.  We finally got a tip that the flying Morman's had a welder.  They did and I thank them as well for helping us use there equipment.  Just another year.  Thanks everyone that helped.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wolcottjl on August 24, 2008, 10:20:07 PM
Congratulations!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 24, 2008, 10:27:55 PM
Troy
  Great job! I am ecstatic you got your red hat. It was great to meet you guys and see in person your unbelievable car. The fact you gat your record kinda puts the icing on the cake for speedweek this year. It can only get better and better. AJR, JR & JR'S PAPA......
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 11:39:30 PM
Troy
  Great job! I am ecstatic you got your red hat. It was great to meet you guys and see in person your unbelievable car. The fact you gat your record kinda puts the icing on the cake for speedweek this year. It can only get better and better. AJR, JR & JR'S PAPA......

It was good to meet your family as well.  Thanks for stopping by and saying hello. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 25, 2008, 12:37:02 AM
I heard there was concern in inspection about the intercooling plumbing in the passenger compartment.

  Stan Back i missed the greyhounds this year but i would like to know WHO you heard their was a concern about the intercooler in the driver compartment. Their was no mention of a problem to us at inspection.
 They allow superchargers in the driver compartment so what the hell is an intercooler compared to that.
 Don't believe everything you hear especially from certain people. Rumors can be used by certain people to influence people,their would still be a Speedsters club if not for a lying rumor monger trying to get rid of the new president and prevent him from bringing on PPG as Bville sponsors and he almost succeeded,but i caught him at his dirty work and he got reelected as president.
 SO WHO DID YOU HEAR IT FROM AND WHO DID THEY HERE IT FROM!
 If i don't hear from you i'll hold you responsible for it.

                      JL222

 

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on August 25, 2008, 04:34:59 AM
Congratulations from Australia guys,WELL DONE!Isnt it amazing how much effort us LSR people go to,just to get a hat?You've worked hard(Harder than most)and got the rewards.I know what it's like,we worked our butts of to get in the 2 club down here!
Cheers, Bob, DLRA #66 C/GCC.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 25, 2008, 11:28:17 AM
Way to go you guys and a great big congrats on your red hat and record.

Thank you for this entire thread, it's been great fun reading along about all of your trials to get that mean machine to the salt!!!

Can't wait to hear what's next :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mtkawboy on August 25, 2008, 12:41:56 PM
The greater the effort, the more the hat means, wear it with pride !! Taking it up to the last car to run is maxing the effort out
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: CTRon on August 25, 2008, 06:08:43 PM
way to go guys! glad to see you got the record.. i saw you guys in impound on friday and chatted with you guys for a couple minutes..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 26, 2008, 10:40:11 AM
It was nice meeting everyone from this forum, there were so many of you that stopped by and put your face to the name.  Thanks again and we will run again in Nov. El Mirage.  We need to replace the inner-cooler before then and do some inspection and mantenence on the engine, trans, and blower.  Will keep you updated as usual. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 26, 2008, 01:19:15 PM
as you begin to really lean on that ProCharger---your belt problem will probabaly increase---there is a reason why so many drag guys have one to the gear drive by TheSuperChargerStore.com  Congratulation---I was thrashing so much on mine I didn't get to say hello again..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 26, 2008, 10:31:59 PM
bvillier,
Really sorry that I had to leave early and did not see you guys and your car,even with your problems it still sounded great. Great to see you got a record!!!

Again, you guys REALLY define "Racing Dogs" Man what an effort!!!!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 26, 2008, 11:38:45 PM
been following your rebuild.you done a heck of a job Congradulations
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 27, 2008, 12:02:14 AM
as you begin to really lean on that ProCharger---your belt problem will probabaly increase---there is a reason why so many drag guys have one to the gear drive by TheSuperChargerStore.com  Congratulation---I was thrashing so much on mine I didn't get to say hello again..

Hi Sparky
I looked into that gear drive and i wish we had room to use it,i believe its about 13" long and requires a reverse drive blower in front of it, [ gas tank right there] We were so busy thrashing i forgot to check the belt,and we wern't running it as tight as ProCharger suggest.

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 27, 2008, 08:14:09 PM
This is the only video I have of the car at Bonneville.  I use this camera when I ride my dirt bike to take videos, so it is strapped down by velcro and it eventually falls off.  I stop the video just before it falls, and you can see the 2 mile marker go by.  On this run my tach was not working, we have a programable tach and we didn't know how to use it properly thus no RPMs.  Hope you enjoy. :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTBQ-s0FN4
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 28, 2008, 11:44:09 AM
very cool :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 03, 2008, 11:24:37 PM
We got a little props from Procharger on their site.  Here is the link.

http://www.procharger.com/supercharger/blog/
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 04, 2008, 08:09:35 PM
I have to edit the Procharger blog.  The first doorslammer on gas to 300mph was the Kugal and LeFevers firebird.  Have to give them credit on a great car and the first on gas.  We want to also be the fastest car on gas, maybe someday it will happen.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 04, 2008, 10:07:27 PM
Today we did some work on the car.  We drained the oil and checked the rod bearings and everything is good.  We also took the blower off so we could ship it to Procharger and have them go through it to be sure that everything is ok.  We also took the intercooler out of the car so we can repair it.  Once we got is out we noticed that there was a huge seem burst in two connecting egde welds, one big L shape.  It's a wonder that it ran as long as it did, on the last run.  Looks like we have a few things to do to get ready for the El Mirage final in Nov.  Will keep you updated.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 06, 2008, 12:07:37 AM

  Well we didn't go as fast as we wanted but after all that went wrong some went right.Our new drysump system worked great,no more oil gauge fluctuations, Scott Owens overdrive worked great,and new FAST electronic fuel injection was amazing. On Troys record return run the blower belt was found at the 2 and 1/4 usualy when the belt comes off the engine stops running but the electronic injection compensated and kept the motor running through the mile alowing him to set record and get in the 2 club.
 We went our fastes 2 1/4 at 242 and 1st timed mile at 257 and Troys 3 mile time of 269 and coasting exit speed of 244 on another run [all with intercooler not working ] is very encouraging.

                              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on September 07, 2008, 11:43:45 AM
Wow---looks like you guys have nothing but great expectations!!!!!!!!! good luck---cant wait to see how things sort out!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on September 08, 2008, 08:15:03 AM
Happy Birthday, troy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 08, 2008, 09:56:30 AM
thanks, but your a week early. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on September 08, 2008, 11:12:34 AM
AH AH, I read todays date, thought that was your B Day...Mine was yesterday.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 08, 2008, 11:41:46 AM
Happy belated BD Gary for yesterday. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 15, 2008, 04:08:15 PM
Looks like Procharger is going to take care of us on our blower maitenence and or replacement parts.  The only thing wrong that we could see was that the impeller had three fins that had a little damage to them, they said that they would replace it.  Could have happened when I almost spun out, maybe some salt got kicked up into it?  We also bought a new inter-cooler from them and they gave us a good deal on it.  They said it should be done in a couple weeks, hopefully we won't have to wait on it for Nov. El Mirage. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 15, 2008, 05:28:40 PM
   
   Procharger just called, their shipping intercooler.Had one in stock.

                               JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 15, 2008, 05:50:12 PM
Good things come to those that work their butts off and u certainly fit into that category.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 17, 2008, 09:14:47 PM
From the SCTA site.  Doesn't look so good.

222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 242.144 257.810 193.102 0.000 0.000

Just reading over some old posts and came across this one.  Your right in thinking that it didn't look good because we didn't make it to the last three miles, but I shut it down after the first mile because I had no tach.  Stupid me, because we have a rev. limiter on the engine for 7500rpm.  I wasn't thinking clearly, it was my first run with the car in many years and it was haulin azz.  That was our fastest 1/4 and mile times ever. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 20, 2008, 12:01:42 AM
                 
Procharger intercooler arrived today, looks great. Tanks for air and water are made from one piece of aluminun minimizing welds. Now have to figure out mounting. Air inlet and outlet approximately in same place so we don't have to modify them.

                            JL222   :cheers:


                             
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 23, 2008, 11:52:01 AM
Here are a couple pictures of our new inter-cooler.  All of the sections surrounding the inter-cooler are cut and bent to shape to minimize welds.  On the inside there are tack welds at the corners to keep it together under pressure.  I will post a picture of our old inter-cooler with the seam bursts when I get a picture of it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/interside.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/interfront.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on September 23, 2008, 10:21:42 PM
If I have not said it before thats one cool car.I really enjoy your post thanks 
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 25, 2008, 12:18:04 AM
If I have not said it before thats one cool car.I really enjoy your post thanks 
terry

Thanks for the compliment.  We should have a large group of friends comming out to the Nov. meet at El Mirage, so hopefully we can get someone to shoot a video of the car on the course.  It has been many years since we have had a recording of it. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on September 25, 2008, 08:03:41 AM
Troy, was you guys able to put the extra fine tune on the efi? Start good and idle with good throttle response? Have fun at El Mo and go fast.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 25, 2008, 10:15:39 AM
Yes Gary the car was very responsive at Bville.  We will get the original dyno tune on it at El Mirage and go from there. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 01, 2008, 11:55:19 PM
We did a little work on the car today.  My girls helped clean the car a little while, before they got bored of it. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/girlscar2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/girlscar.jpg)

Here is what happened to our old intercooler at the end of my qualifing run on Saturday.  We noticed it Sunday morning when we fired it up to warm it. :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/crack.jpg)

Here is our new inter-cooler from Procharger, it is a little smaller but should work better than the old one; and with less worries. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/newinner.jpg)

Now we just need to get it fitted correctly and make up some new braces and it is done.  Other than the inter-cooler we still need to modify one of the blower tubes comming through the firewall so we can secure the two tubes together better.  What we will end up doing is cut a piece of the tube that is on the engine side and weld it on to the tube in the compartment so it extends through the firewall inorder to brace the two tubes together.  The blower is still out for repair and should get it back soon.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 02, 2008, 09:42:51 AM
Troy, what was wrong with the Procharger that it needed repaired. Just for your info, our local vocational college has just purchased a Mustang dyno and is going to offer a class on performance tuning next summer, Mike C. and myself are going to attend if we can get by the prerequresites (sp).
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 10:55:06 AM
Gary, there wasn't anything really wrong with the blower.  It sounded rough when spinning it in reverse, so we took it off to take a look at it.  The impeller had three minor dings in it, could have happened when I got sideways.  Since Procharger is a partial sponsor for us this year, they said that they would go through the blower and replace the impeller for free.  So we sent it to them.  We will be giving them a call either tomorrow or Monday to see when we can get it back. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 02, 2008, 11:29:35 AM
John, how do you guys get sponsors like that?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on October 02, 2008, 11:36:16 AM
John, how do you guys get sponsors like that?

I'd bet that 43000+ views of this thread haven't hurt.

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 11:56:51 AM
 :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2008, 12:51:15 PM
John, how do you guys get sponsors like that?
[/quote


      Hi Gary
    We have been dealing with Procharger for several years and when Precision Auto notified them of our recent record  at bville and also being the worlds fastes chevy that helped. Wilson Manifolds stopped by our pits at bville and noticed we are using their products gave us some t shirts and put us on one of their adds and will help us a little in the future.
    I believe also they recognize the potential of this car.
    The problem with the blower was some nicks on the impeller and it made a groweling sound when turned backward but Procharger says that sound is normal. Sounds fine when turned in normal direction.
    Sorry your selling stude as it has a lot of potential also. Hey i've got some extra blowers that would turn that 6 cyl into a monster.
     Yes Mike Procharger was impressed with number of hits.

     Were hoping for more major sponsorship next year as companies have alocated budgets this year.

                                         JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on October 02, 2008, 01:08:55 PM
I'll give you some t's to put American RV on the car :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 03:59:51 PM
I'll give you some t's to put American RV on the car :wink: :wink:

We don't even have a Procharger sticker on it yet. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 04:28:39 PM
How many shirts and how big are the stickers?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on October 02, 2008, 05:17:06 PM
How many do you want. I can have decals made to the size that works for you.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 06:06:22 PM
How many do you want. I can have decals made to the size that works for you.

 :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 06:12:06 PM
John, how do you guys get sponsors like that?

I'd bet that 43000+ views of this thread haven't hurt.

Mike

Procharger has seen a lot of pictures of our car in the past, they know we went 288.  They also know we are using their latest and greatest blower.  It also helps that we sent them a video of the car on the dyno making 2100hp on mechanical fuel injection.  Then we switched to EFI and are making even more ponnies.  We have a lot invested without anyones help and I think they recognize that and I guess they figured there was more potential in helping us out. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 02, 2008, 07:41:39 PM
So, John -- are you going to be at Bonneville for WF?  We've got an XL Salt Talks '08 t-shirt set aside from you - and would pack it with our other stuff and hand-deliver it at the salt.  We leave tomorrow -- so let us know pronto so we can get the shirt packed.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2008, 09:02:52 PM
So, John -- are you going to be at Bonneville for WF?  We've got an XL Salt Talks '08 t-shirt set aside from you - and would pack it with our other stuff and hand-deliver it at the salt.  We leave tomorrow -- so let us know pronto so we can get the shirt packed.


  Thanks Slim

  Actually Troy ''Bvillercr'' started this build diary and i go by JL222 it gets confusing because other members that are friends and know i'm Troy's dad and directly connected with 222 car address me by what their use to calling me.So Troy deserves the t-shirt, but i'll take one too :-D
  Not making WF but concentrating on El Mirage Nov. Hope to get raincheck on t-shirts at 09 Speedweek.

            Thanks again JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 02, 2008, 09:25:53 PM
Well, that's as clear as mud -- but if you say so -- I'll go along with the joke.  So -- Troy -- are you going to WF?  I've got your Salt Talks '08 t-shirt set aside.  If you're not goinng to the event -- what's your mailing address, and have you already paid for the shirt?  Send the address in  a PM if you don't want the rest of the world to know it, or post it here.  And to pay -- the easiest way is through the "Help Support landracing.com" button on the lower left hand side of the front page, but a check or money order to us here will work, too.  I think my mailing address is someplace around here -- I'll send it privately to you if you need it.

There, John -- wouldja please see that he gets this note?  Thanks.

As for the '09 shirts -- hey, the easy way to get one is to attend Salt Talks.  How's that for simplifying things?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on October 02, 2008, 10:12:45 PM
Slim, John and Troy, I can be a mail man for you. Celia and I will be at WF and spectating at Nov. Elmo meet. Let me know if this will work for you guys.
Brian
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2008, 10:36:11 PM
Well, that's as clear as mud -- but if you say so -- I'll go along with the joke.  So -- Troy -- are you going to WF?  I've got your Salt Talks '08 t-shirt set aside.  If you're not goinng to the event -- what's your mailing address, and have you already paid for the shirt?  Send the address in  a PM if you don't want the rest of the world to know it, or post it here.  And to pay -- the easiest way is through the "Help Support landracing.com" button on the lower left hand side of the front page, but a check or money order to us here will work, too.  I think my mailing address is someplace around here -- I'll send it privately to you if you need it.

There, John -- wouldja please see that he gets this note?  Thanks.

As for the '09 shirts -- hey, the easy way to get one is to attend Salt Talks.  How's that for simplifying things?



 Slim

  There is no joke ,Troy [bvillercr] my son, started this build diary ,
John [JL222] Troys dad is me!
   Remember the guy that helped you pick up the shade brackets on the last day of speedweek? That was me ''John-JL222 age 68, not Troy-Bvillercr age 42  
   This post and the last post comes from me John Langlo-[JL222].
    Hope this clears up the mud.

                                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 10:43:45 PM
Slim, John and Troy, I can be a mail man for you. Celia and I will be at WF and spectating at Nov. Elmo meet. Let me know if this will work for you guys.
Brian

Brian that is a great idea.  Slim how much do I owe you for the shirt, and I need an address. 
                                                                                        Troy, not JL222 :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2008, 10:49:11 PM
Slim, John and Troy, I can be a mail man for you. Celia and I will be at WF and spectating at Nov. Elmo meet. Let me know if this will work for you guys.
Brian


  That sounds great Brian. Let me know if you want me to bring those wheels. And you might be able to use sport car tires  
instead of landspeed tires for shorter course and less speed.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 03, 2008, 09:23:16 AM
Troy:  Send a fifteen-dollar bill with them to WF, or mail it to me.  Unh, for this time (since we'll be gone) mail it to P O Box 1054, Marquette Michigan 49855.  We're using that mailbox for another few weeks -- it'll work.  If you send a check it should be made out to me (Jon Wennerberg) instead of landracing.com, okay?

Thanks.  Have someone find us at WF (up in the timing slip stand/radio announce booth) and we'll give over the shirt.

Thanks.  And -- I wasn't really all that muddy -- it was getting late last night and I didn't take the time to figure it all out.  But now it's morning, we fly out in a few hours, and I'm doing last-minute stuff like packing t-shirts.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on October 03, 2008, 10:55:32 AM
Slim, John and Troy, I can be a mail man for you. Celia and I will be at WF and spectating at Nov. Elmo meet. Let me know if this will work for you guys.
Brian


  That sounds great Brian. Let me know if you want me to bring those wheels. And you might be able to use sport car tires  
instead of landspeed tires for shorter course and less speed.

                     JL222
If you have room, go ahead and bring them.
Thanks,
Brian
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 08, 2008, 10:30:46 AM
Here's a video comparison of our last dyno run on mechanical fuel injection in which the pull is only three seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxH3Ltv9o0

This video is our last dyno run before Bonneville and we changed and upgraded our ignition and upgraded to the FAST EFI.  This dyno pull was about 7 seconds long and we gained 800 rpm and 2 or 3 psi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0

Here is our only video at Bonneville and it is cut short because the video camera wasn't secured down good enough.  I will be moving my mount elsewhere because of visibilty issues with the window.  The video cuts off before the 2 mile and I'm in high gear about the 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTBQ-s0FN4
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on October 08, 2008, 07:24:23 PM
dang thats wicked
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on October 08, 2008, 09:56:06 PM
So how much power did it put down with the efi ?
Did it run better than with the mechanical injection ?
And did you have time to fully tune it at the dyno or finish tune it at bonneville ? Or are you going back to the dyno to finish it because I know you where really crunched for time.

Anyway the car is badass. I wish I would have got a chance to talk to you guys but I was leaving rite when I saw you get in line.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 09, 2008, 12:01:34 AM
So how much power did it put down with the efi ?
Did it run better than with the mechanical injection ?
And did you have time to fully tune it at the dyno or finish tune it at bonneville ? Or are you going back to the dyno to finish it because I know you where really crunched for time.

Anyway the car is badass. I wish I would have got a chance to talk to you guys but I was leaving rite when I saw you get in line.

  Fast Evo
 It runs much better with efi,it was always hard to start with the mechanical injection and i had to run it so rich for the top end it would have a rich cutout at the bottom,so its nice to bring up a run look at the air fuel tables and no whats really going on and adjust with a few taps on the keyboard.
 We don't know the final hp because the engine vibrated the room so much it kept unpluging the power cord under the rear tires and between the rollers,but with the mechanical injection it increased 500 hp from 5000 to 6000 rpm and 28.5 lbs boost were they stopped the pull because it was lean,with new 12 gal min fuel pump [old 7 gal] and efi the dyno pull increased to 6800 and 31 lbs boost.
 Yes we were able to adjust the tune at Bville on Troys 257 run it had a air fuel ratio in low 10s.
 It is still hard to start the very 1st time because the mechanical fuel pump takes a while to prime the system so were installing an inexpensive electric fuel pump and plumbing into one of the fuel rails.[just ordered from Summitt today].
 Precision Auto is on the crew now and want us to bring the car down to do some wiring and things but still installing new intercooler i'm not sure if dyno is necessary.
  Anyhow getting ready for El Mirage in Nov. were we hope to do well.

                           JL222
 

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 09, 2008, 10:48:53 AM
We will tune the engine for El Mirage close to what our last dyno run was, may start out a little rich but we can tune from there.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on October 09, 2008, 07:59:57 PM
That's great to hear.
I wish you the best of luck at el mirage.
It's sweet just having to plug in the laptop tweak a few tables and walla the runs great.

Mike Reichen
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 21, 2008, 10:29:06 PM
We got the blower back from Procharger and it seems the new impeller is a little more polished and machined to a larger gauge.  We also received our new electric fuel primer.  JL222 has been working on the braces for the inter-cooler and I should be getting up there soon to help out and take some pictures and get it all put back together and taped up for El Mirage. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 22, 2008, 10:50:44 AM
Troy, I have never been to Elmo, what do you tape up?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 22, 2008, 02:31:29 PM
Troy, I have never been to Elmo, what do you tape up?


 Hi Gary

 Troys at work so I'll answer for him. We tape anyplace we suspect or know were dust can get in the car [and still not break any rules about taping] we tape or silicone around trans cover and any holes we can find and we have a brake cylinder that sticks up through the floor that we tape the sides and around the access cover on the step pan under car.
  Were hopeing for a little rain to dampen the track otherwise it can be a dusty devil.

                            JL222

   PS   Put a Procharger on that jimmy run it through a carb and then you can run vintage class.
         It would sound better too :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 22, 2008, 09:11:48 PM
It's been a while since the car has made a pass at El Mirage, but in the past there have been times when the car has been completely filled with dust.  It was so bad once that I couldn't see when I went through the lights. :-o  Duct tape is a must for us at the dust lake. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on October 23, 2008, 12:11:55 AM
My wife and I both got a chuckle from Remington’s "make it go fast" video.

You do realize it’s only a matter of time before she is going to want to drive.
 :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 23, 2008, 12:22:30 AM
Here's one where she thinks she's a mechanic.

http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=racecarsmile.flv
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on October 23, 2008, 12:38:28 AM
Priceless!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 23, 2008, 08:52:27 AM
John, the GMC is not going into a body that is 1948 or older.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 23, 2008, 01:54:23 PM
John, the GMC is not going into a body that is 1948 or older.


   Hi Gary

   I believe you can run X0 blown gas altered [pg 91 168.2 mph] and other non vintage classes with 1948 and later bodies but turbos and efi are not allowed,[as I read the rule book [pg 16-17]otherwise your going heads up against modern engines like small block chevs. kugel and LeFevers 300.787.

                       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on October 23, 2008, 02:19:48 PM
As I read it, turbos and EFI are NOT allowed in Vintage (pre1948 bodies) but OK everywhere else...............GH and I have talked about this many times.....................JD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: RichFox on October 23, 2008, 02:35:09 PM
I don't know anything about EFI but turbos better be allowed in XO/BGAlt. I have held that record for years using two Corvair turbos. It's about time somebody did it in.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 23, 2008, 02:46:41 PM
As I read it, turbos and EFI are NOT allowed in Vintage (pre1948 bodies) but OK everywhere else...............GH and I have talked about this many times.....................JD


 Hi JD

 I see the clarification now XO-XF-ECT using vintage bodies [bottom of pg. 16 :roll:

                   THANKS JL222

  PS it would still sound better with a procharger :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 24, 2008, 10:38:43 AM
John, I do agree with you about the sound. Mine sounded better with the roots blower and mechanical injector. But I sure like the way it performs with the turbos and EFI. And I like the datalogging that you get with the EFI. I already have the turbo and the intake built for the EFI on the GMC engine.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 27, 2008, 01:16:27 AM
We got a few things accomplished today.  We installed the blower and intake.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2206.jpg)

We finished bracing the inter-cooler down.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2207.jpg)

We also had to cut one of our blower tubes and add it to another to lengthen the tube so we can connect it on the engine side of the cowl.  This was one of our major problems at Bonneville, we kept blowing it apart and losing boost thus shutting it down.  I had a picture of it but I somehow deleted it. :evil:  Anyway we have only a few things to do to finish up, I will keep this updated until we run. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on November 03, 2008, 05:51:22 PM
bviller,
I was part owner of the BMW factory 320 IMSA turbo car for some time and when we went to sell it the buyer required that we run it on the dyno. We set it up and as I remember we did run the boost as high as 80 inches and we had somewhat of the same problem you had with the connector hoses blowing off and also splitting. To fix this we would use 3 clamps, one on each side of the tube bead and then one in the middle to keep the hose from bulging. We also used some .040 lock wire and lock wired all of them together! this stopped them from blowing apart. And it allowed us to really blow it up! A piston/rod assembly, a sleeve and some head repair got it up to around 650 hp. Not bad for 121 inches, mechanical fuel injection (Kugalfisher) and gas in 1987.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 11, 2008, 12:31:41 PM
Did a little tuning on the car last night and will warm it up again today and check the valves and load her up.  should be at el mirage by 1pm.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 11, 2008, 01:31:10 PM
I can't wait to to see & HEAR that thing run!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 11, 2008, 01:36:49 PM
I can't wait to to see & HEAR that thing run!!!!!!!!!!

Sparky are you go to El Mirage this weekend? I would like to meet you, I had a chance at WOS when you and Sumner were working on the car and he borrowed my cordless drill, but I did not want to bother you.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on November 11, 2008, 05:13:04 PM
 I can't wait to see the car as well. See you at El Mirage. I will be getting there Thursday night.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 11, 2008, 07:54:25 PM
Scott---Would love to---we will be doing some lisc. runs---We did get it back to you didn't we? :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 11, 2008, 09:15:16 PM
Scott---Would love to---we will be doing some lisc. runs---We did get it back to you didn't we? :-D

Yep
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on November 11, 2008, 09:27:07 PM
Scott---Would love to---we will be doing some lisc. runs---We did get it back to you didn't we? :-D

Yep

Good I thought we did, but I'm never sure.  See you this weekend also,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 13, 2008, 11:31:11 AM
Ok, my computer is all fixed so here are some updated pictures of a few improvements we have made.

Our new inter-cooler is all plumbed up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2220.jpg)

We just had two clamps holding these pipes together and it kept blowing off at bville.  We now have it braced so it can't move.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2216.jpg)

We put a new fuel pump prime system to fill the fuel rails for initial start up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2219.jpg)

Another problem we had was some electrical problems in the steering wheel.  We now have a somewhat quick disconnect.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2221.jpg)

One of our front head light covers blew off at bville, still need to replace it.  We will put some black duct tape on it to make it look presentable.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2222.jpg)

Good luck to everyone at El Mirage.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on November 16, 2008, 12:49:01 AM
 Good to meet you and your dad today. Hopefully the wind calms down and you get some more runs in tomorrow.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 16, 2008, 10:25:35 PM
Troy and JL - Good to see and speek with you both again. the car sounded amazing when it took off.........great run!

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 02:58:58 AM
Nice meeting you JavaJoe sorry you had to leave early.  Thanks for the kind words even though we never made it through the traps under power.   :evil:

Saturday we were able to run fairly early and the car ran great.  I got up to speed and was close to getting it into high gear when she started to come around.  Luckily I was able to keep it under control, even though both chutes did not open. :-o  We calculated through our EFI, gearing and RPM that I was going about 220-225mph when it got loose.  I still had a good distance before the lights so it could have been something.  Always culda shulda. :roll:  Anyway here's my video in the car on Sat. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

On Sundays run it was in the afternoon and the wind was about 15-20mph going across the track, similar to the Sat. run.  On this run I was really taking it a little easy and short shifting so I wasn't putting as much power down to the dirt.  I did get in high gear this time, but it wasn't long until I was in the same boat as Sat.  Oh well that's the way it goes sometimes there's always next year.  It has been awhile since we ran the car at Mirage and hopefully next year we get a little more rain to help out the track. :cheers:  Here's Sundays run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8BabM070vc
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 17, 2008, 07:41:58 AM
Whoa -- that much dust in the car?  Sure seemed cloudy towards the end of the runs. . .  I only rode a bike at EM - and that was five years ago this weekend.  Never realised how bad it gets inside a car.  Thanks for the videos, and thanks for the (continuing) build diary.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on November 17, 2008, 10:02:31 AM
Troy, in the second video, it looks like you hood scoop is moving up and down on the right rear corner. Does that happen all the time at speed, or are you like me, watching the road ahead?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
In the first video, the dust was really bad.  I cut most of the video short because all you would have seen was dust and nothing too interesting in that.  We found an area where dust was entering and siliconed it up.  The second video the dust wasn't as bad but still present.  The car went side to side pretty good and splashed some water from a tank, (or we have a small leak somewhere) onto the rear inside 1/4 panels.  We could see it leaking onto the dirt, so we could see some more areas that need to be adressed. 

GH, the hood only flexes like that when we got a little sideways otherwise it doesn't flex. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on November 17, 2008, 10:38:44 AM
I've really enjoyed following your progress this season.

Thanks for your great coverage.  (http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee171/4-BarrelMike/Miscellaneous%20stuff/beer.gif)

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 17, 2008, 04:23:25 PM
Troy, in the second video, it looks like you hood scoop is moving up and down on the right rear corner. Does that happen all the time at speed, or are you like me, watching the road ahead?


    Hi Gary

    It looks like the hood rise is caused by the blow off valves opening when the throttle closes and releasing 4000cfm of air, the hood only comes up when troy shuts off. Gotta fix that and the dust problem but [no broken parts :cheers:]
   The videos come in handy,hard to see everything when you have your hands full.


                                                JL222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 17, 2008, 05:52:58 PM
Got to see your Sat run from the start line ---whooo boy does that thing sound MEAN!!!!!!! :-P


watched Sundays run from about 1/3 way down the track---got to look at the left side of the car a little better through the dust a couple of times----looked like a nice save from where we were on the track   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 09:34:35 PM
I'm working on two videos that were taken by one of our tuners at about half track.  I should have the second one done about 8.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 10:59:50 PM
Here is the Saturday run where my chutes don't open.  The video operator had it zoomed in to close and on a tripod.  The second video is a little better and not as close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 11:06:50 PM
This second video I short shift the car just to get into high gear and cruze through the finish, but I get bit by the track again and had to pull the chute so I wouldn't run into the timing lights and cones. :-o  In this video my cam corder produces a couple skips in it(sorry), but after it skips it shows me getting loose.  Enjoy. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJZbf4_IUeo
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on November 18, 2008, 07:01:34 AM
thanks for the video.
I really enjoy following your project.
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on November 18, 2008, 08:20:21 AM
Troy and John, I can't imagine what it is like to run on dirt that loose, you got lots and lots of nerve.....
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on November 18, 2008, 11:08:07 AM
Meant to tell you cool pic in hot rod.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 18, 2008, 11:15:36 AM
Meant to tell you cool pic in hot rod.

In the magazine or online?  We knew nothing about it. :?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on November 18, 2008, 04:49:12 PM
in the magizne.I do beleave that is your car.
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 18, 2008, 05:55:17 PM
No question, that's the car.  I don't have the issue right at hand or I'd give you page number.  As I remember it's a photo from the right rear quarter --sort of difficult to see the zoomies, but no doubt, it's your car.  Congratulations on getting it into Hot Rod.  When I saw it I almost went to Hot Rod's site and posted that the car's build diary was available on this here forum.  I didn't -- maybe I should have.  You folks are always welcome to mention stuff you see on this site -- the publicity doesn't make me feel bad, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: RidgeRunner on November 18, 2008, 07:49:16 PM
     Jan '09 issue, page 64, upper right.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on November 19, 2008, 06:07:23 AM
yep.cool aint it?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 19, 2008, 08:56:43 AM
Same page middle left they have a picture of Seth's new car with my speed attributed to him---he didn't run over 300 untill next meet after he let me run first to have a shot at going BLUE---Thanks Seth!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 19, 2008, 11:14:57 AM
At one point Santa Barbara (Seth)had (I believe) the most racers attending land speed racing in the late 80-90's per capita than anywhere.  On another note you would think that Hot Rod would have gotten a few things correct.  First; we ran 275 in 1991, 267 in 92, and 288 in 94.  They made a mistake with Keith Turks car, stating that it was the fastest camaro in 2006?  So in this article I believe it stated that we captured the title at 269.  Oh well, thats how journalism is these days not much investigation.  The second mistake was, how do you get our last name incorrect?  It's on the car in Five different spots, and in the photo the race trailer shows it in the background?   Enough complaining, it is cool to be in the magazine!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on November 19, 2008, 11:48:14 AM
Troy, when I was racing the Willys back in the 90's, Super Stock & Drag Illustrated came up to me at the Wentzville, Missouri drag strip and wanted to do a story of my car. I filled out about 5 or 6 pages of info on the car and build and wouldn't you know it, they screwed the article up, but like you said, it's still and honor.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 19, 2008, 03:36:32 PM
No question, that's the car.  I don't have the issue right at hand or I'd give you page number.  As I remember it's a photo from the right rear quarter --sort of difficult to see the zoomies, but no doubt, it's your car.  Congratulations on getting it into Hot Rod.  When I saw it I almost went to Hot Rod's site and posted that the car's build diary was available on this here forum.  I didn't -- maybe I should have.  You folks are always welcome to mention stuff you see on this site -- the publicity doesn't make me feel bad, that's for sure.

Ok Slim I did it for you.  I belong to the HR forum and did a little advertising for you.  I directed anyone reading my post over there to see the car over here. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 19, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 22, 2008, 02:15:47 PM
Here is the Saturday run where my chutes don't open.  The video operator had it zoomed in to close and on a tripod.  The second video is a little better and not as close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8


 In the first part of this video you can see how El Mirage got its name.

         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 23, 2008, 04:14:53 PM
This second video I short shift the car just to get into high gear and cruze through the finish, but I get bit by the track again and had to pull the chute so I wouldn't run into the timing lights and cones. :-o  In this video my cam corder produces a couple skips in it(sorry), but after it skips it shows me getting loose.  Enjoy. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJZbf4_IUeo

 It sounds and looks like Troy is still on the throttle and shifting after he gets loose but its because of the distance the sound from the car has to travel to the video camera  :-P

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 25, 2008, 08:46:16 PM
We have a few things that we need to change for the 09 season.  1st, we will be putting a tow bar in front of the car so we can tow it back to the pits rather than push.  2nd, we need to contact Wilson manifolds about supplying a new manifold for us.  3rd, we need to re-due our spoiler since the rules have changed for the 09 year.  And last but not least we may get a new paint job, same color but without stripes and maybe some type of graphic.  Good luck to all in 09. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on November 26, 2008, 12:04:31 AM
Good to hear you made it home in one piece. See you next time.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on November 26, 2008, 10:12:59 AM
Troy, what's this about a spoiler change for 09??? Rumor or fact??? The tow bar idea is great, I have always used one, down at the end we just hook up the car (this year me and Jerry Hoffman got so excited about going fast that we jumped into the truck and started to leave, when my wife says, "arent you going to take the car with you? we had not hooked it up yet.) and go with the AC on.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 26, 2008, 01:11:06 PM
  Hi Gary

  Troy talked to Jim Miller briefly at El Mirage and Jim said the spoiler wording was changing. I think it has something to do with the way we angled our bottom spill plate and clarifying things for inspectors.
 I sent in a rule change request after Bville to allow any combination of spoiler shapes [in existing rules] but was to late.
 Dan what can you tell us?

                      JL222 :?   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on November 26, 2008, 03:21:23 PM
The spoiler specs have been rewritten. Check the SCTA website for the 2009 changes.

DW
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 30, 2008, 06:57:55 PM
Here is the Saturday run where my chutes don't open.  The video operator had it zoomed in to close and on a tripod.  The second video is a little better and not as close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8
[/quote

   Got the logging data from the FAST EFI transferred to my laptop and found out stuff I never could before having EFI.
   Ist shift in above video 116 mph in 6.8 sec. 2nd shift 175 mph in 13.8 sec. graft shows steady rev increase to rev limit indicating no wheel spin. Boost temp out of intercooler never got above 74 degrees [25 lbs boost]. Also shows air fuel ratios -
 throttle position-engine temp-and alot of things we don't need and will cut out.
 We are real happy with the way the car hooked up on the first part of the course but we were expecting to have trouble 
at the rear part. We did the course walk fri and sat and the 1st part was nice and tight but then the spacing got wide and noticably looser and you could tell that dirt and pebbles[marbles] would be sucked up to the top.
  Hopefully the lakebed will get compleatly flooded and we'll have a good course next year.

                                   JL222 :cheers:
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on November 30, 2008, 09:06:17 PM
............. throttle position-engine temp-and alot of things we don't need and will cut out.................

It was good seeing you guys at El Mirage.

Just curious why you aren't interested in throttle position.  We like to see that at b'ville were you are not always at full throttle to see the air/fuel (and boost) at those times also and to know if Hooley is really trying  8-) .  It has helped us make decisions on weight knowing how much throttle we can run in 1st and 2nd before wheel spin to see if adding weight will hurt us there.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 30, 2008, 10:04:11 PM
He's refering to other sensors not the Air-fuel, TPS, or the engine temp.   :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 01, 2008, 12:10:56 AM
............. throttle position-engine temp-and alot of things we don't need and will cut out.................

It was good seeing you guys at El Mirage.

Just curious why you aren't interested in throttle position.  We like to see that at b'ville were you are not always at full throttle to see the air/fuel (and boost) at those times also and to know if Hooley is really trying  8-) .  It has helped us make decisions on weight knowing how much throttle we can run in 1st and 2nd before wheel spin to see if adding weight will hurt us there.

c ya,


    Hi Sum

     Guess I was't making myself clear throttle position-air fuel-rpm-boost-air temp and others are important but we have to get rid of others that we don't need and are not set up to use right now to get more run time on the run logging. Such as mpg -mph -cam sync and others.

                 JL222 :-D

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 01, 2008, 09:28:11 AM
............. throttle position-engine temp-and alot of things we don't need and will cut out.................

It was good seeing you guys at El Mirage.

Just curious why you aren't interested in throttle position.  We like to see that at b'ville were you are not always at full throttle to see the air/fuel (and boost) at those times also and to know if Hooley is really trying  8-) .  It has helped us make decisions on weight knowing how much throttle we can run in 1st and 2nd before wheel spin to see if adding weight will hurt us there.

c ya,


    Hi Sum

     Guess I was't making myself clear throttle position-air fuel-rpm-boost-air temp and others are important but we have to get rid of others that we don't need and are not set up to use right now to get more run time on the run logging. Such as mpg -mph -cam sync and others.

                 JL222 :-D

Sum

You probably made yourself clear, I probably just read it too late.  We are in eastern PA now and were in CA last week and all the time changes has probably got me screwed up.  I do know for sure that I'm getting tired of driving :cry:,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on December 01, 2008, 10:59:36 AM
Troy, John and Dan W., it looks like the spoiler design one is the same as in the 08 rulebook. Am I correct????
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on December 01, 2008, 11:28:27 AM
No,

Two options, you cannot mix elements from one spoiler type with the other. NO kickouts or air flow devices allowed on spill plates.

DW
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 01, 2008, 11:49:27 AM
No,

Two options, you cannot mix elements from one spoiler type with the other. NO kickouts or air flow devices allowed on spill plates.

DW

(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2606.0;attach=7416;image)

Dan wouldn't the one in the picture still be legal??  I'm a little comfused, but seem to read the new rules to imply that the one we use is still legal....

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/hooley/2005-Bville-11.jpg)

Is that Correct?

One note on the top one (the one GH posted) if it was mine I would do away with that angled part and have it go almost vertical above the axle and help with the center of pressure all I could like you have done with your car.  I realize the one on Hooley's Stude is like the very top one, but that doesn't mean I like it.  Looks cooler, but would help the car more if it is as large as the rules permit.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on December 01, 2008, 12:14:20 PM
Both are legal as pictured.

DW
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 01, 2008, 02:21:31 PM
Troy, John and Dan W., it looks like the spoiler design one is the same as in the 08 rulebook. Am I correct????


   Hi Gary

 In the old specs it didn't say the bottom spill plate had to be mounted directly under,vertical and in line with upper spill
plate the new specs do. We mounted ours to out side edge of body and angled it back and followed the side of body,all sides of spoiler were flat which rules specified. One inspector didn't like our interpitation but was over ruled because it really didn't say we couldn't. Now it does :-(
 Now that were going to have the car painted we'll put bigger spill plates on top [move the bottoms like they want]
 and a means to install Gurney flaps.
 I sent in a rule change request to allow mixing of both spoiler designs but was past deadline.


                           JL222 :cheers:

   Look at spill plates on pg. 23 of this build diary.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on December 01, 2008, 04:44:35 PM
Sumner, I think it would look kinda goofy if the side plates went straight up at the front. The car works great as it is, I don't want to fool with it now, just make more hp and none of that partial pass stuff, ha ha, Cya
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 01, 2008, 09:51:46 PM
Sumner, I think it would look kinda goofy if the side plates went straight up at the front. The car works great as it is, I don't want to fool with it now, just make more hp and none of that partial pass stuff, ha ha, Cya

Well we don't want goofy, but I thought your spill plates angle at the front were steeper on your car than Hooley's,

Sum
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 06, 2009, 06:00:42 PM
Since the last conversations were about spoilers, this would be a good time to mention that we started cutting cardboard mock side plates to see which ones looked best.  Still desciding on what to do, but at least we started.  Also we did some measurements on the front end to get an idea of where our new tow bar would go.  No more pushing back to the pits from mile 6-7. :cheers:  I will post pictures when we start the process. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on January 06, 2009, 08:11:11 PM
bvillercr, like they say in the Pace Picante commercial .. get a rope...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AdioSS on January 28, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
Wow, I've been reading this thread for a few days now.  Lots of awesome info!

 Now that you are pushing well over 2000hp to the rear wheels and are working on going 300mph and especially since you've got to change your rear spoiler, maybe it is time to find time in a wind tunnel?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 28, 2009, 11:48:26 PM
Wow, I've been reading this thread for a few days now.  Lots of awesome info!

 Now that you are pushing well over 2000hp to the rear wheels and are working on going 300mph and especially since you've got to change your rear spoiler, maybe it is time to find time in a wind tunnel?


   A wind tunnel would give some great info, downforce front and back and how much lower pressure under the rear spoiler is.
   In 1994 at a USRA meet I was congratulating myself on reaching over 300 mph when the overdrive trans broke,the engine over reved,caught a valve and blew one blower apart. We still managed a time of 288mph with a 279 exit speed. The 222 camaro handles great at those high speeds and is not scary to drive. Hopefully we can make 2 passes over 300 this year.

                            JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 21, 2009, 10:26:30 AM
     The owner of the local Napa stores invited us to show the car at their main warehouse.  This is the first time we displayed the car for others to see.  Maybe we will get some free plugs out of it?   :cheers:  I wish I could have been there.   :x

Precision Auto helping us out.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2247.jpg)

Wouldn't be a car event without the Hooter girls.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carandgirls.jpg)


Just the car, in front of Napa.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/napa1.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on February 21, 2009, 10:42:41 AM
NAPA!!!  Does that mean you're going to rebadge it as a Toyota?  LOL

Looks great sitting there.

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on February 21, 2009, 12:48:35 PM
In the second picture you and your Dad clean up real nice.

Looks good,
DW

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 21, 2009, 02:33:15 PM
In the second picture you and your Dad clean up real nice.

Looks good,
DW




      :-o :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rightytighty on March 28, 2009, 04:38:50 PM

Troy,

Nice meeting you at our kids' trackmeet yesterday.  Really wish I would have met you before this blog was 40 pages long  :-o.  Just read everything in two long marathon sessions.  Really enjoyed the build and narrative.  You did/are doing a great job.

I can't believe the dedication and determination that you and your dad show.  It's awesome.  Can't think of a better way to spend time with a parent.

Makes me feel like a wuss with my little boat projects.   

Thanks for the motivation!  Looke forward to watching how this season goes now that you're getting a handle the new combo.

Neil

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 28, 2009, 07:33:37 PM
Neil, it was great finally meeting you.  Especially when our kids are in the same class.  Your boat project is no joke, making 1200 hp unblown on gas is no easy feat. :cheers:  We will be working on the car tomorrow.  We need to get our spoiler finished and a new push bar on the car.  Will post pictures as always. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rightytighty on March 29, 2009, 01:33:44 AM
Neil, it was great finally meeting you.  Especially when our kids are in the same class.  Your boat project is no joke, making 1200 hp unblown on gas is no easy feat. :cheers:  We will be working on the car tomorrow.  We need to get our spoiler finished and a new push bar on the car.  Will post pictures as always. :cheers:


I just crew on that boat. That is a serious piece.  I run a single carb'd 565" Cheby in an old cruiser.  It keeps me busy. 

When your workin' tomorrow, I'll be just over the hill from you at Pine Flat, A friend is running an 8.50 Cole Flat for the first time.  Can't wait to see his expression the first time he hits the loud peddle.  He's in for a shock.

Don't wanna distract you from progress but we have a houseboat and a wakeboard boat as well.  Your girls will have a blast with our kids (3).  When the water warms up a bit more... Then I can hear more stories about your crazy sport.   Seems like sport at it's finest ..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on March 29, 2009, 09:53:43 AM
PLS  Rtytyty--- pls follow up with the story about the flat bottom :evil:---lol
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 29, 2009, 11:49:17 PM
Did a couple things today.  First I had to grind the old push bar off the car.  Second we cut a card board cut out of our new spoiler, really not sure I like the way it looks but I'm sure it will help.  Here are some photos, a couple car shots for future reference of before and after, and the card board spoiler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/drive.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/pass.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/spoil2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/spoil1.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 30, 2009, 01:38:29 AM

  Man that thing is ugly,glad you posted a picture we got to cut it down a bit and maybe extend the front.

         JL222 :|
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2009, 05:45:39 PM
     Looks like we will be extending the front part of the spoiler up onto the window a little and cut down the total height of the spoiler to make it look a little more sleek.  Anything is better than that. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 03, 2009, 12:19:02 AM
found some old pictures of our car being built down at Pro Chasis.

The rear end

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/rearend.jpg)

Engine mock up

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/engine-1.jpg)

Funny car cage

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/funnycage.jpg)

Sizing for our pedals

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dadncar.jpg)

The car- still lots to do at this point, once we got it to J&S East Valley Garage it still took what seems like 6 months to finish.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/camaro1.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 03, 2009, 01:19:38 AM
It is always the detail that take time and if you don't do them right it looks like a $hit box. You guys have done it right and nailed the details. Hope to see you at Elmo.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 03, 2009, 12:05:14 PM
Once we figure out our ugly duckling spoiler it should be smooth sailing to get ready for El Mirage. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 05, 2009, 11:14:48 PM
We worked on the rear spill plates today and figured out what design we wanted to use.

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/cardboardspill.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 05, 2009, 11:22:40 PM
Troy cutting out spill plate.

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/troycutting.jpg)

Two pictures of driver side spill plate mounted.

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/spill2.jpg)

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/spill1.jpg)

Both spill plates are patially mounted, we need to add a bracket near the front of the spill plate and underneath the spoiler.


(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/2spillplates.jpg)


                    JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on April 07, 2009, 01:03:22 PM
Troy, something that makes it easier for us when cutting alum with a skill saw is to clamp it to 1-1/8" plywood and liberally spray with wd40 so the saw glides easily and cuts into the wood a little. It makes a cleaner, safer cut.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 07, 2009, 08:59:30 PM
Troy, something that makes it easier for us when cutting alum with a skill saw is to clamp it to 1-1/8" plywood and liberally spray with wd40 so the saw glides easily and cuts into the wood a little. It makes a cleaner, safer cut.


That sounds like a great idea, I will use that advise next time.  I did have to hold my end up so it didn't bind on me.   :roll:  Thanks for the tip Brian. :-D

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on April 07, 2009, 10:41:17 PM
Troy,  On a full boost, full run on the salt, how much gas does the car burn  through?  Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 07, 2009, 11:17:58 PM
We have never accurately checked the gas per run because of sealed tank, but we tried last year and it might in our build diary.  I'll check, but we forgot what we used.  Many dollars though. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 08, 2009, 12:27:58 AM
Troy,  On a full boost, full run on the salt, how much gas does the car burn  through?  Tony

  We never made a full 5 mile pass last year. Troy did get a last mile time of 269 with a coasting ''exit speed'' of 244 with no chutes out.

  Rick at ERC helped us make a chart measuring how many gallons and so many inches from top of tank.

  We have a 20 gal tank but I would never make 2 runs without checking level. We made tank large incase we ever ran fuel.

        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 13, 2009, 11:22:35 PM
   We need to find a seat belt buckle, you know the old style that clicks together.  Our window net attaches with a buckle type and we need to replace it.  Anyone know where we can get one?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Racerboy on April 14, 2009, 12:22:01 AM
I would try M & R Products


http://www.mrproducts.com/index.php?cat=(DriSafety)%20Window%20Nets
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 15, 2009, 07:52:06 PM
We found our buckle and a couple new pilot chutes at Jegs.  A little bit lower pricing than the above link. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 16, 2009, 01:42:45 PM
 
   What kind of sensors is anyone using for wheel speed and driveshaft rpm [or know of suppliers]?

   NO were not going to traction control [honest] :-D but we would like to know how fast were going at what spot on the course and if we have wheelspin and where.

   JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 17, 2009, 11:26:26 AM
You might look in the McMaster Carr catalog they have several non contact tach set ups.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 18, 2009, 11:40:35 PM
We worked on our spill plates today.  We had some braces to make, drill, and bend to work correctly.  The first photo shows that we have the spill plate close to 90 degrees and that we needed to cut the top down a little.  It measured a bit over 8 inches.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/degree.jpg)

Now the spill plates painted and ready to put on tomorrow, plus we need to make a new push bar for the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/spillplate.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 21, 2009, 05:02:10 AM
Got some things done on Sunday.  We tacked the pushbar together and in place and we finished the spill plates on the spoiler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/welding.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tackingpushbar.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/finishedspillplate.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 26, 2009, 09:02:14 PM
Today we replaced both pilot chutes with two new ones.  They are much stiffer and the design looks much improved than twenty years ago. :-D  We also finished the push bar and got it back together, just need to get a shorter bolt going through the wheel.  Another improvement was to our seat belt connection on our window net.  We were going to start it today but our batteries and battery charger was not up to snuff.  Only a couple pictures today. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/paintedpush.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/push.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 29, 2009, 01:12:41 AM
We fixed a few gremlins today and fired her up.  Seems like something isn't going quite right, we are ahead of the game.  The car started really easily and after we warmed it up we adjusted the valves and buttoned her up.  Only a couple things to do before the May meet, and we should have it loaded the weekend before. :-o  I took a video of the warm up, because I'm nutty like that.  I will post in a couple of days. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on April 29, 2009, 09:00:45 AM
John, Troy, what kind of primer did you apply on the aluminum spoiler pieces before painting? I'm thinking about painting my spoiler also.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on April 29, 2009, 09:08:14 AM
Hey Gary, you can get direct to metal stuff that works well for canodizing aluminum....  and steel...  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 29, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
John, Troy, what kind of primer did you apply on the aluminum spoiler pieces before painting? I'm thinking about painting my spoiler also.

  Brake clean :-D

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 29, 2009, 07:14:07 PM
First of two. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZYoBofjL54
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 30, 2009, 12:51:15 AM
Much shorter clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrdDWlhODCI
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 04, 2009, 12:41:18 AM
We had our share of problems at Bonneville and El Mirage this year.  One problem was that our right side plexi glass light cover flew off at speed week.  We temporarily fixed it and ran the rest of the week and El Mirage with it.  So now we have time to do some cosmetic work on the car. 

We took the old light cover off and some old El Mirage dust was hiding behind them.  I cleaned it before the picture. :-D


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/light.jpg)

Our aluminum pieces fit nicely.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cover.jpg)

Now complete with paint.  Just need to fill around the covers with black silicone.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/coverpainted.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 07, 2009, 02:24:39 PM
bvillercr, are you ready for elmo?  cant wait to see your car again, it's starting to grow on me.  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 07, 2009, 06:04:42 PM
Yes, need to paint part of the hood and maybe replace a few Dzut fasteners and pack and load the car.  should be loaded and ready to go this Saturday. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 10, 2009, 12:00:40 AM
We got the car loaded up for El Mirage today, and we needed to take a picture and send it in with our Bonneville entry.  I took a few, tell me which ones look the best.  Thanks :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/rtfrnt.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/right2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/elevatedright.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/rightrear.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Lftfrnt.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on May 10, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
The last one.........see you at El Mirage!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: willieworld on May 10, 2009, 12:09:19 AM
the last one                                                       willie buchta
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 10, 2009, 01:03:00 AM
bvillercr, I like #3  It would look better if it had elmo dust all over it :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 10, 2009, 10:54:32 AM
That El Mirage dust will go where it can, hopefully not inside the car this time around. :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 10, 2009, 11:51:32 AM
My choice would be the third-from-last -- but taken from the left REAR corner, and with good lighting.  I like the altitude at which you held the camera.  And the photo will be even better taken at EM -- not so much clutter in the background.  But then -- I've got my reasons for choosing, as you know.

No matter where you hold the camera, and no matter what the background or the lighting -- it's still a bomb-looking car.  Congratulations on building such a vehicle.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 10, 2009, 01:08:30 PM
Do the foto with a white building, blank wall and a driveway as the foreground and background. I like the last shot. It will probably

not get too dirty at Elmo before the foto.

If u would like, I'd be happy to do some shots for u on the salt.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 10, 2009, 02:45:19 PM
Do the foto with a white building, blank wall and a driveway as the foreground and background. I like the last shot. It will probably

not get too dirty at Elmo before the foto.

If u would like, I'd be happy to do some shots for u on the salt.

FREUD

  OF COUSE that would make us very happy :-D

    See you there JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: interested bystander on May 10, 2009, 10:23:59 PM
Slim, that comment a few posts back about BOMB - looking is probably an ill -chosen description as others in the family have a propensity for bomb-making
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 10, 2009, 10:49:33 PM
This happened right in front of us at Vegas. Arly is never boring, I have seen a few of his runs from the timing stand at the lakes. I remember when he hit a battery at El Mirage in Liggett's lakester.
Yeah it got everyone's attention. Arly was pretty calm and was worried about the car. :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: interested bystander on May 10, 2009, 11:04:26 PM
Yrs truly meant nothing malicious in posting that picture, by the way. We all would LOVE to see that 200mph club member/drag race  veteran do well . It has become so incredibly expensive and complicated. I'd love to see single mag, single pump, no clutch management in Top Fuel.

Don't feel bad, my best buddy's A/Fuel Dragster ran in the 14 second bracket last time out and he's been doing the class since '91 or so. He drove the "Run of the Year " car in '92.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 10, 2009, 11:40:02 PM
This ongoing fireball show, with Arlie pushing the pedal, is all made possible by his tuner: Jay Roach.

Not everything that Arlie drive gernades, but most everything that Jay tunes does.

He is a PhD in turning money and parts into noise and flames.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 11, 2009, 01:10:47 AM
Slim, that comment a few posts back about BOMB - looking is probably an ill -chosen description as others in the family have a propensity for bomb-making

Thanks for the picture, haven't seen the new non paint scheme.  Oh and since you know my name, what is yours. :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 11, 2009, 01:43:24 AM
This ongoing fireball show, with Arlie pushing the pedal, is all made possible by his tuner: Jay Roach.

Not everything that Arlie drive gernades, but most everything that Jay tunes does.

He is a PhD in turning money and parts into noise and flames.

FREUD

 Arley has the car and Jay the engines. Most of the parts that they have needed and now have are from Chuck Worshim's
funny car operation. clutch-timers-release and set up -ect. Of course threre's always something. At Vegas, Worshims pushrods
were to long so some shorter not as strong ones were used and they collapsed and the usual grenade.

      JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 11, 2009, 01:53:32 AM
Arley has driven for years and I am confident he has great skills. He has done well on the salt.

It's a shame that his drag race history includes a sterotype related to oil downs.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 11, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
Arley has driven for years and I am confident he has great skills. He has done well on the salt.

It's a shame that his drag race history includes a sterotype related to oil downs.

FREUD

Arley has been racing a long time, he made it into the Bville 2 club the year I was born. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 12, 2009, 04:07:11 PM
If anyone goes to El mirage stop by and say hello.  Stan if your comming by let us know and I'll see what I can do to make you a greyhound. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: theazoldcrow on May 12, 2009, 04:20:39 PM
    :-D  Is that similar to a "Salty Dog" ???  Color me curiouse,,,,Crow
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 12, 2009, 05:12:00 PM

Don't feel bad, my best buddy's A/Fuel Dragster ran in the 14 second bracket last time out and he's been doing the class since '91 or so. He drove the "Run of the Year " car in '92.


Would that by chance be Junkyard Ed Vickroy? I know he drove an A/Fuel car Gene Adams tuned to 253 when the record was 235. NHRA retired the record at the end of the year and changed the class combo.

Tom G.
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on May 12, 2009, 05:27:46 PM
Interesting!  http://www.northernthunder.com/flyingafd.html (http://www.northernthunder.com/flyingafd.html)

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 12, 2009, 10:18:23 PM
Bvillercr, if you need a hand, at elmo please let me know whould  love to help . 909-888-9045 mike :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 13, 2009, 12:10:17 AM
We have a lot friends comming down to watch/help.  Please come by and say hi and grab a soda/beer/water, what ever.  Thanks for the offer though. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 13, 2009, 12:24:33 AM
    :-D  Is that similar to a "Salty Dog" ???  Color me curiouse,,,,Crow

 Same thing without salt on rim  :-D

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 14, 2009, 10:54:55 PM
We are all loaded up and ready to go.  Hopefully we will leave around 9 am and get to the lakes between 2-3.  Good luck everyone and see ya soon. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 15, 2009, 12:37:11 AM
Iam loaded too but, I dont know what time I will get up tomorrow. after that I will be on my way  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 15, 2009, 12:48:11 AM
Have a marvelous weekend. You are ready and you deserve it.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 17, 2009, 07:50:50 PM
We had some minor problems on sat.  We had to fix a fuel leak on a weld on the driver side fuel rail.  Then after that our clutch lever was galled up just like our steering was at bville.  So we took the levers apart and cleaned them all up, and by that time the wind was blowing good.  Sunday we got an early run in at around 9, short shifted in 3rd and 4th and still couldn't keep it straight.  Also the engine was on the rich side.  Our next run was around noon and the took off good through 2nd and while in 3rd I was doing the throttle steering wheel boogie.  First run 180, 2nd run 150.  I will post a couple videos tomorrow.  Still have a 5 hour drive to go. :cry: 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 17, 2009, 08:02:33 PM
At least, those runs validated all the time spent over the winter. It's like jumping into the pool the first day at the vacation motel.

Good job. Now you can work for improvement the rest of the year. Just remember, this year you were ready for the years first meet.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on May 17, 2009, 08:46:03 PM
Much better to br rich and run slow than to be too lean and run slower onto the trailer. You guys are an inspiration Troy. Good job...
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on May 17, 2009, 09:12:57 PM
Good to meet you and your dad Troy. Sorry we couldn't spend more time with you.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on May 18, 2009, 10:18:26 AM
I was headed for the exit at around noon when I heard over the radio that you were on course, so I stopped to watch from the shut down area. Man that sucker sounds awesome, even with the pedaling you were doing just to get that beast down to the finish. I have to say, you didn't look to pumped when you got out of the car though. It's a real bummer that the lake is in such crappy shape this year. It's going to be real tuff for the big HP guys like yourself to get hooked up all year it would seem. Goog luck the rest of the season and I dig following your guys progress as well!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 18, 2009, 11:05:50 AM
Troy and John,
Great to meet you guys and put faces with names. Thanks for the great hospitality and major bull session on Friday night. I had to leave Saturday so stayed around until the wind came so missed your Sunday pass, really sounds like you over powered the course. Ever thought of going with the large dia, threaded Dunlops like the BMR roadster runs on the lake for a little more traction? Just a thought. The young "bit head" guys that do your computer/injection work are very sharp and very interesting to talk with I would love to see their chassis dyno.

Thanks again and will probably see you in June.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2009, 11:49:09 AM
It was nice to meet everyone this last weekend.  Mkilger, Mike and Kevin L, Tom G, Rex, and Tom Slick you should have come over and introduced yourself.  I only look grumpy. :-D

Rex it's funny you talk about the tires because that's what we were talking about on the way home.  I have no problems with them at Bonneville, but these last two meets with the bad track I just can't get the power down very well.  I think the little marbles of the dirt and the wide footprint might be a problem.  If the BMR and Fred and go as fast as they did, with more power than us then it could be the tires. :evil:  New tires and rims are not cheap and we may not run El Mirage unless we get a lot of rain or new tire set up.  I have a few videos to make, this first one gives everyone an idea of what the track looked like.  More videos later tonight. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17HOby9FnC8
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 18, 2009, 02:23:34 PM
Troy and John,
Great to meet you guys and put faces with names. Thanks for the great hospitality and major bull session on Friday night. I had to leave Saturday so stayed around until the wind came so missed your Sunday pass, really sounds like you over powered the course. Ever thought of going with the large dia, threaded Dunlops like the BMR roadster runs on the lake for a little more traction? Just a thought. The young "bit head" guys that do your computer/injection work are very sharp and very interesting to talk with I would love to see their chassis dyno.

Thanks again and will probably see you in June.

Rex

 Good meeting and talking with you Rex. It didn't take much to overpower that lousy track and I was wondering what kind of tires those were on Doug's car and there weight and speed rateing.
I had purchased some metal to make a Gurneyflap for the spoiler but our spoiler has a bend in it which will take some doing to make, and I thought the course would be great after being flooded.

  JL222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 18, 2009, 04:56:42 PM
Good to meet you and your dad Troy. Sorry we couldn't spend more time with you.


  Glad to have met you also Michael.
  Did you get the pm I sent? Not sure it worked.

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2009, 05:03:08 PM
We made two videos on the first pass.  One is my in car cam, and the other is from my dads new SD card video camera.  I brought is chip with me but not his camera so it won't load.  Here is an in car look with a dust problem.  I'm not trying to go real fast just trying to make it down the track and you here me short shift most gears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVbUhPnBK_s
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 18, 2009, 05:38:26 PM
 
  Looks like we need to turn the video around and see were the dust is coming from.
 How about a smoke bomb inside and then pressurize  it?
 anyone know were to get one?

     JL222


 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 18, 2009, 05:59:08 PM
Check with the companies that test AC ducting. They use smoke generators to find leaks. Good to talk with you guys on Friday. The surface sucked though.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
Here is our last run on Sunday.  First and second gear were great, third gear I was peddling like mad trying to make it through the lights.  I should have one more video of the first run later tonight or tomorrow.  :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on May 18, 2009, 07:40:54 PM
Cool vid's. got my juices flowing. Should have posted that one video under the visually impaired thread :-o :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 19, 2009, 01:27:23 AM
last video but our first run.  You can tell how easy I was going on that run and I went faster than the second run.  This run was 180.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcWVe-FdZms
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on May 19, 2009, 10:28:19 AM
Damn Troy, if you guys ever get good enough conditions to hook that sucker up...look out!!!  :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 19, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
This car tipically hooks up very good.  These last couple of races the track starts out good and turns bad when I get into 3rd gear.  Before the last two events I have never been out of shape at El Mirage and that's consistantly running throughout the 90's and up to 2001.  The track has changed a lot since then, so we may need to change a few things on our end as well (at El Mirage). :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 19, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
Here is our last run on Sunday.  First and second gear were great, third gear I was peddling like mad trying to make it through the lights.  I should have one more video of the first run later tonight or tomorrow.  :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

 The only reason Troy was still on the gas under those loose conditions [marbles] was to get a time over 200 mph so we can run out
of the 200 mph line but as we had a #206 starting position its hard to get a good enough track.
 Video was taken by Noel Smith one of our crew members, his dad a long time friend Skip [we used to race distric 37 desert murdercycles in
 the late 60s and early 70s] is also a crew member, came all the way from Fiddle Town Ca. [near Jackson]
 Good job Noel we didn't go as fast as we wanted but we got an intertaining video:cheers:

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 20, 2009, 03:44:34 PM
last video but our first run.  You can tell how easy I was going on that run and I went faster than the second run.  This run was 180.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcWVe-FdZms

 This Video was taken by my grandson Andrew visting us in between moving from N Carolina to visiting his mom and picking up my Grandaughter in Florida then to Denver [moving back there] dropped there belongings and
came on to Ventura-Santa Barbara then Fresno-Clovis to spent a few days with us. 5000 + miles so far [luckly he has a diesel rabbit that gets 41 mpg] :-D Then to El Mirage were they found out Acassia had to be at work at her
new job on Monday at 8:00 AM in Denver  :-o They left after shooting this video about 11:oo AM Sunday and got to Denver at 1:00 am.
Good job Andrew the video came out great and we learn alot from them.

   JL222 :cheers:

                 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 21, 2009, 01:51:52 AM
Troy and John,
Great to meet you guys and put faces with names. Thanks for the great hospitality and major bull session on Friday night. I had to leave Saturday so stayed around until the wind came so missed your Sunday pass, really sounds like you over powered the course. Ever thought of going with the large dia, threaded Dunlops like the BMR roadster runs on the lake for a little more traction? Just a thought. The young "bit head" guys that do your computer/injection work are very sharp and very interesting to talk with I would love to see their chassis dyno.

Thanks again and will probably see you in June.

Rex

  Rex
 It was a great night friday and good to meet you. If you ever get over this way we have a place to stay and we could go have a beer and check out Precision Auto's Dyno
We woun't be at elmo in June because if we break something it's to close to bville.[track conditions will need to improve also] BIG thunderstorm would help :-D
  Fulton is by Sacramento isn't it? If your going to the June meet stop by a day early and will go see precision's dyno.
   
           JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 22, 2009, 01:14:57 AM
Precision Auto just moved their dyno set up to where it is more racer friendly.  They moved the dyno forward and turned it 180 degrees for better access.  Pull straight in and on, instead of backing it in.  Go check it out it's a nice set up. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 22, 2009, 02:18:03 AM
Here is our last run on Sunday.  First and second gear were great, third gear I was peddling like mad trying to make it through the lights.  I should have one more video of the first run later tonight or tomorrow.  :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

  This new FAST EFI is a great tool for us, after looking at the data recording in the above video first shift 6100 rpm 4.9 sec 31lbs boost 110 mph, second shift 6450 rpm 13.2 sec 18 lbs boost 173 mph, after shift got loose, off throttle
 3 sec broke loose rest of way never shifted again stayed in 3rd and never got back to 173mph.
  We did learn a few things from this lousy track, the car requires less stearing input to recover when out of shape [new spill plates must work] and accelerates [on good part of track] faster than the Bonneville Pro computer program predicts.
 

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 22, 2009, 09:54:11 AM
Troy,
You are on for a stop by in Fresno. Fulton is by Santa Rosa, it is really just a cross roads but has a Post Office so that is where my address is. I actually live about 2 miles from thriving "down town Fulton".

I do a fair amount of traveling to So Cal for my job so the next time I am driving down I will make sure to contact you and we can hook up. I would really love to see the dyno.

Again, great to meet you and your dad and see your car, and thanks for the hospitality.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 22, 2009, 07:19:07 PM
Rex, your welcome and come down anytime.  Just need a days notice so I can clear my schedual. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 26, 2009, 12:18:23 PM
Too entertaining to leave off a new page. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on May 27, 2009, 07:49:30 PM
I think you might make it as an ice racer :wink:
Thanks for the vid.
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 28, 2009, 05:29:26 PM
Looks like the time will be comming to prep for Bville.  We need to re-wire a few things, drain oil, check bearings, look for Gremlins and try to get the El Mirage dust out of the car.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 29, 2009, 12:36:12 AM
By happy that the dust isn't from Muroc.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2009, 11:24:06 AM
Oh, I'm sure there is some of that dust somewhere in there. :x
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 30, 2009, 05:02:41 PM
Too entertaining to leave off a new page. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

  After seeing Troy torturing the tires with 10+ throttle corrections in the above video I thought I better check the tires to see what was left.
  Besides being dusty they looked surprisenly like new :?
  The dust cloud behind door is different.

   JL222 :cheers:

     
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 31, 2009, 09:09:49 PM
These last couple of weeks after El Mirage have been a little busy for me, so getting up to the car to help unload and clean it has taken second place.  So today I finally got a chance to get up the hill and get that dirt slinging mobile out.  This is what we found when we opened the side door. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dust2.jpg)

Now for the loading dock.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dust1.jpg)

The car out of it's cage.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/card1.jpg)

And the engine compartment. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/engined1.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 31, 2009, 09:31:30 PM
Blowing the car off, inside and out before we wash it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/card2.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 31, 2009, 11:29:19 PM
The trailer needed some cleaning too.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/trailer1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2347.jpg)

The car is now clean.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clean1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clean2.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on June 01, 2009, 08:49:15 AM
Wow, I had no idea things got that dirty, what a mess. Which mess do you prefer to clean, dirt or salt????
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on June 01, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
GH...That's why I really don't like going to either place anymore. Been cleaning El Mirage and Muroc dust for over 35 years and it never is any fun. A roadster is much easier than the coupe.. As an extra your truck and trailer look the same................JD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 01, 2009, 02:19:26 PM
Wow, I had no idea things got that dirty, what a mess. Which mess do you prefer to clean, dirt or salt????

 Hi Gary
 Salt is actually easier because that dust goes every where and like JD said the truck and trailer but he forgot us too :-P
 May was especially bad because the return road turned to powder,we had to stop at one point for a couple of minutes to let the dust clear and thats were most of the dust came from.
 The engine was not sucking all that dust in at least.
 I wonder how much a water truck would cost to sprinkle the return road? Those spectators were really eating it.
 Of course I would like the bad part of the course watered also.

     JL222 :cheers:

 On second thought with dust we don't have to worry about cleaning under the truck and trailer and if there's any left it's not corrosive, so maybe salt is worse.
 At least you don't have to breathe salt :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on June 02, 2009, 12:34:58 PM
I remember being at the Nov 07 meet when the wind picked up. Couldn't see more than 20'. everyone was driving on the north side along the hills to get out. Celia had her hand held GPS and marked it when going in at the wind sock. We just drove blind following the GPS and got out ahead of a whole line of cars. That was worse than any Central Valley fog I had ever been in.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 02, 2009, 07:32:06 PM
November was bad, but this was worse.  I was in the car pushing back and couldn't see a thing, I had to stop the car so I wouldn't hit any spectators.  The windows were down and when it cleared up I still couldn't see because the windows had so much dust on it. :evil:  El Mirage just needs a little wind.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 12, 2009, 03:05:09 PM
     A little update on what we will be doing in the next couple of weeks.  We have new rod bearing on order and they should be in today to be picked up.  If they come in then we will replace them by sunday and then take the car down to Precision Auto.  Justin C at Precision wants to redue our wiring in the car.  As some may know from last bville race we had some electrical issues on Sat. before our last run. :evil:  Luckily we were able to fix the problem and qualify for impound.  We are trying to make this year a little easier on us, and a new wiring system will help.  Still trying to kill the gremlins.  :-D  As always I will keep everyone updated on what we do or change.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 14, 2009, 01:47:02 PM
Bearings will be in on Monday, I will pick them up and install them that evening and start our partial tear down of water tanks to make it easier to re-wire.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 16, 2009, 09:36:20 PM
We change the bearings last night and the old ones all looked good.  We buttoned it up today and took the fuel rails off to get one leak welded and then get them anodized.  We will take the car down to Precision to get the car re-wired.  Should be ready for Bville in a couple weeks. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 16, 2009, 10:06:42 PM
John,
Regarding the pin leaks in your fuel rail, and I meant to mention it at Elmo, when you come to the end of the weld pass on aluminum you need to pull the torch away from the aluminum puddle slowly and make sure that there is not a "pit" where the weld ends. Guarantee you it will have a pin hole in it if you have a pit. If you have a pit add some filler over it.



Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 04, 2009, 02:12:40 PM
John,
Regarding the pin leaks in your fuel rail, and I meant to mention it at Elmo, when you come to the end of the weld pass on aluminum you need to pull the torch away from the aluminum puddle slowly and make sure that there is not a "pit" where the weld ends. Guarantee you it will have a pin hole in it if you have a pit. If you have a pit add some filler over it.



Rex

  Yea Rex looks like thats exactly what happend. Fixing that and fuel rails and wheels will be polished  on Monday.
 
  Justin Coffman one of our crew members is compleatly rewiring our old primitive wiring with relays and central fuse box and adding three more grounds. Great to have an electronic expert on board.

 We should be all done and ready to test fire it Tuesday or Wendsday then a couple of new duez fastners and intake duct work and were ready to load up!


                     JL222 :cheers:

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 04, 2009, 07:03:51 PM
Just to add to Rex's good advise, if you back up slightly before you end the weld that also helps eliminate pinholes.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 10, 2009, 12:03:21 PM
A few things that we finished on the car. 

Our new electrical wiring is finished.  Just a bad picture by my phone.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/electrical.jpg)

Justin Sharp making a bushing for our clutch pedal.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bearing.jpg)

Our fuel rails are now polished.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/fuelrail.jpg)

Started it up last night, everything works and sounds good.  A few things left to do and we can load it up.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 14, 2009, 07:44:12 PM
We started it up again last night to get it warmed up to adjust the valves.  Today we replaced the older blower belt with a new purple colored belt that is supposed to be stronger than the blue.  We also got our rims back from the polisher.  Tomorrow we will get the tires back on the rims and hopefully load the car by Thursday. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/wheels.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 14, 2009, 07:50:40 PM
Getting close for the salt fix, I have been getting ready for a few days and I don't run a car. Will look forward to announcing your runs. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2009, 11:35:32 PM
Thanks Glen, hopefully we will have some runs that meritt some of your spectacular announcing. :cheers:

We finally got our rims mounted back on the tires and installed on the car, and they are nice and shiney.  They haven't looked this good since 1988.  Tomorrow we will get the car out of Precision Auto and back home.  We are getting very close to being loaded up, just a little bit of glass work on the hood a good washing and then get her loaded up.  Three more weeks and we leave, can't wait. :cheers:  Oh yeah a couple of pictures.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/frtwheel.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/rearwheel.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 16, 2009, 12:59:01 PM
I know you guys are going to hear Glen's most favorite words "Take it to impound!"

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2009, 10:52:53 PM
We sure hope so Rex. 

Today we unloaded the car to prep it so we can load it for good.  We took the gas tank out for two reasons, one we needed to drain and clean the inside of it,

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tank.jpg)

and two we needed to inspect the bottom pulley to make sure all bolts looked good and that the pulley was in good shape.  All is good and we are a couple weeks ahead of bville this year. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/pulleys.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on July 19, 2009, 01:59:58 AM
Car looks good guys. I'm looking forward to seeing you at Bonneville.      :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 19, 2009, 03:21:47 PM
What are you going to do with yourselves for two weeks? :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 19, 2009, 03:52:36 PM
The cars not in the trailer yet, you never know what will come up.  Hopefully we will have it loaded by next weekend, then the truck the following one. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2009, 01:41:22 AM
One of the things we need to fix was the air intake.  If you look closely you can see some delamination between the fiberglass and the tin work.  Well we cut some of the fiberglass a while ago but now we have time to fix it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carnose.jpg)

A little duct tape around the opening(that's all we had) :evil:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carduct.jpg)

Ready for some fiberglass resin work.  First batch dried too dam fast.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/papercar.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 20, 2009, 01:30:13 PM
Difficult to mix resin and bondo in 112 degree weather. :-o

I've actually had mixed resin smoke and allmost spontaneous combust in this weather.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2009, 09:34:14 PM
We mixed our resin in a red plastic cup and while it started to harden it was too hot to touch.  I made sure to set the cup on some metal.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 20, 2009, 11:19:18 PM
Difficult to mix resin and bondo in 112 degree weather. :-o

I've actually had mixed resin smoke and allmost spontaneous combust in this weather.

 It was a cool? 90 in the shop with two big swamp coolers going and the cup did melt.

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on July 23, 2009, 05:02:31 PM
A few things that we finished on the car. 

Justin Sharp making a bushing for our clutch pedal.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bearing.jpg)



Hey Justin-
Where's your safety glasses?  Looks like an OSHA infraction to me...

Nick 3rd.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 23, 2009, 06:51:07 PM
Nick, the funny thing is that Justin doesn't like being in pictures.  He doesn't know that this picture was taken or that it is on this forum...... not yet anyway. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on July 24, 2009, 03:17:47 PM
cant wait to see you make a pass at speedweek, you and a few other are one my top 10 list and yes Stan your on it too :cheers:  maybe you can get in the 300 line this year
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2009, 07:27:06 PM
cant wait to see you make a pass at speedweek, you and a few other are one my top 10 list and yes Stan your on it too :cheers:  maybe you can get in the 300 line this year

     Hope we live up to our expectations and give you a good site to see.  Maybe we will see the 300 line this year, hopefully after my dad takes the record from me at over 300. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 27, 2009, 02:31:21 AM
We finished up the air intake today.  We just had to paint the inside to make it look a little more presentable. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carnose-1.jpg)

We also had some time to clean the outside of the car and wax it, hopefully it will stay clean all the way to the great white dyno. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cleancar.jpg)

We are so close to being ready, I will post some more tomorrow.  Time for bed.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on July 27, 2009, 03:52:13 AM
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/200mph060.jpg).
Hope all goes well at B'ville guys,Streamliners , Lakesters , Belly Tanks etc , are all Waaaay Kooool !! But a 300 mph Doorslammer is TOTALLY F#%&@' AWESOME!!!!!! (I've only got 204 out of mine so far,and hold the DLRA C/GCC record at that speed).
Push it till it goes Bang,Hope you make 300.
 Keep an eye out for our Aussie entrant,Norm Harding in a '34 ford Roadster.A few of our guys will be there.
All the best from down under,(wish i was there to see that 302???mph),but someone has to stay behind to keep the country going.
 Cheers , Bob.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 27, 2009, 10:33:08 AM
Bob, nice looking doorslammer!!

Yesterday was a mile stone for us, we got a lot done.  The truck is loaded!!



(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/truckloaded.jpg)

We even got our scooters loaded, they match the color of our car and one has our 222 number on it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/scooters.jpg)

Hell, we even got the car loaded up!!!  Can't believe we are ready so early, feels great.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carloaded.jpg)

Now we just have to buy a new shade tarp, those little bungy cords thingies with the ball attached(anyone know where they can be bought), load the battery charger and one more battery and make sure we don't forget the computer and video equipment.  Fwheeeeewwww.  Lets go racing!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on July 27, 2009, 10:54:35 AM
The car looks great, safe travels and good luck.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 27, 2009, 11:08:50 AM
Thanks for the photo of the back of your truck.  I don't feel so bad about how much we cram in there.  But -- this year we've had Todd and Debbie on our side -- so I'll have to post some photos of how they took care of our trailer for us.  SWEET!!!  I'm thinking of asking Atlas Van Lines if they need some stuff hauled out west - we've got that much room.  Well, okay, maybe not that much. . .

See you on the Salt!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 27, 2009, 11:15:38 AM
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/200mph060.jpg).
Hope all goes well at B'ville guys,Streamliners , Lakesters , Belly Tanks etc , are all Waaaay Kooool !! But a 300 mph Doorslammer is TOTALLY F#%&@' AWESOME!!!!!! (I've only got 204 out of mine so far,and hold the DLRA C/GCC record at that speed).
Push it till it goes Bang,Hope you make 300.
 Keep an eye out for our Aussie entrant,Norm Harding in a '34 ford Roadster.A few of our guys will be there.
All the best from down under,(wish i was there to see that 302???mph),but someone has to stay behind to keep the country going.
 Cheers , Bob.

  GOES BANG? Auuug!! Good hearing from you Bob, nice car [put a Procharger on it that would up the speed] :-D What color and # is Norms 34? I'll say hello if I see him or have him look us up.
  We have it redlined at 7500 but not comfortable running it that high especially for very long, I just have to remember to look at the oil pressure, when it gets up around 260 I sometimes forget.
  I've only driven once with new engine and was having troubles with blower tube coming off and seeing out of car with bi-focal glasses, so Troy drove the rest of the Bville meet and always drives at El Mirage.
  Anyway he says it starts to turn into a real animal about 6500 so he just shifts it, 6750 is 306 mph if my program and tire growth figures are right.


                JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 27, 2009, 11:42:13 AM

[Now we just have to buy a new shade tarp, those little bungy cords thingies with the ball attached(anyone know where they can be bought)...

Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47302 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47302)

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 27, 2009, 12:10:08 PM

[Now we just have to buy a new shade tarp, those little bungy cords thingies with the ball attached(anyone know where they can be bought)...

Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47302 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47302)

Mike

 Thanks Mike heading there this afternoon and I've seen tarps there also


             JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2009, 11:23:30 AM
This year we will have three video cameras on the salt.  One will be an in car camera and the other two will be used on course.  Hope you enjoyed all of the previous ones.  When speed week is over I will have plenty to post.  Here is the only one from last year.  It was my first attempt using my helmet cam inside our car, unfortunately it fell off and we didn't use it the rest of the week.  I have repositioned the camera so it has a better section of the window to look out of and it is secure.  In this video I had no tach and I was taking it easy because of it.  This run was still our fastest ever in the first mile. :cheers:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTBQ-s0FN4

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on July 28, 2009, 11:48:24 AM
good luck this year I think its going to be one of the cars to keep an eye on ,  I will keep an eye on you out there.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 28, 2009, 11:55:17 AM
Fun ride -- and with this year's better camera work, the best is yet to come.  Easy run or not, I just can't wait 'til I get back out there and hear engine after engine, see run after run. . .  Only a week and a half now.  Best of luck.  See you on the Salt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on July 28, 2009, 03:58:09 PM
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/scan0002-1.jpg).
JL222 , Here is Norm & his motley crew.Good bunch of guys.Car has been rebuilt since our March meet at Lake Gairdner,new bigblock Ford,new paint (still satin black),hope they do well.
Seems like you have a few fans on here,go for that 306 timeslip!!
Cheers , Bob.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 29, 2009, 02:30:41 AM
 
 You Aussies have a lot of great looking cars, hope to come across them at Bville, if they need help have them look us up.

                            JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2009, 03:50:04 PM
That is a nice looking roadster, looks like the crew knows ZZ Top. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2009, 02:34:38 AM
I can feel Bonneville getting closer, can't hardly sleep at night and having white dreams. :-o :-D :-D  We leave in 6 days!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on July 31, 2009, 10:07:12 AM
Sleep whats that? I was over at my shop from 1 to 3am piddling. :-o

  Fred
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2009, 11:30:35 AM
Here is what our new in car video location will look like at Bonneville.  Hopefully without the side to side movement. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2009, 10:43:27 PM
if anyone wants a salt fix, at 8 pm on direct tv playing on discovery channel "speed capital of the world" is on. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2009, 10:24:39 AM
One of my favorite videos, who is the announcer?  Great commentary.  Not such a great run, but sounded good. :cheers:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 05, 2009, 01:02:14 AM
One of my favorite videos, who is the announcer?  Great commentary.  Not such a great run, but sounded good. :cheers:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

   It was a great run untill you hit the marbles, 230-235 on data log in less than 20 sec. and a long way from end.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 05, 2009, 01:21:01 AM
Hey guys, good luck to you this meet and I sure hope to see a different colored hat or two on a couple of fellas.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
AJR192, come by again this year so we can remember what you look like.  We should have more time this year to B.S.  Well you never know, but last year was a thrash to get there and a thrash to fix problems.  There shouldn't be any major issues this year so come on by.  We will be setting up our pit on Fri.  Not sure if we will tech first or put up our shade first?  We will be on the track side, not too far from the entrance.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 05, 2009, 10:46:04 AM
I'll do it Troy. See you guys there.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2009, 10:03:45 PM
Doing a little barbeque having a corona life is good.  Wake up at 5 on the road by 6 at bendover by 8 priceless. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 05, 2009, 10:44:32 PM
Doing a little barbeque having a corona life is good.  Wake up at 5 on the road by 6 at bendover by 8 priceless. :cheers:

    Thats 6am and 8pm, we have to cross over the Sierra mountains at 7700 ft and their predicting snow at 9000 :-(

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2009, 11:10:16 PM
Thanks for the weather update.  On the other hand I was assuming most people on the forum new that it took longer than 2 hours to get from California to Wendover. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 05, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
Maybe driving the camaro it would be 2 hours. Try it.......
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 05, 2009, 11:59:14 PM
There is road construction on 80 over Donner summit and all of the Hot August nights traffic.
you might look at  (getover80.com)


 Gary Cole DCWATERJET Z
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 06, 2009, 12:00:02 AM
sorry between Truckee and Reno
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 06, 2009, 12:06:42 AM
   www.getacross80.com  looks like no work scheduled  :cheers:

 Gary Cole  DCWATERJET Z
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2009, 12:07:52 AM
Were going over 88, first time that way.  We have friends that live over that way and said it is a pretty east drive for the most part.  We will hit the 80 near Fernly just east of Reno. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 06, 2009, 12:29:53 AM
 Thats the way I go (50 out of carson city then north to Fernley) Im
leaving early AM Friday.


 Gary Cole     DCWATERJET Z
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2009, 09:04:14 AM
We're outa here in a few minutes, just wanted to say good luck to everyone racing and go fast.  I will try to update this diary on my phone or possibly a casino computer if we get a room after the weekend.  See you all there. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2009, 09:48:18 PM
We ran into Rex Schimmer in Winnemucka, and he was freezing his but off.  He's riding in a bucket roadster  trying to dry off from the rain.  We missed most of the hard rain and the last we saw of Rex he was ripping out of a pilot truck stop headed for the bend in the road.  Heard the wind is blowing like crazy right now, but also heard a lot of cars were inspected.  We are about two hours from wendover in elko for a little din din.  B there soon. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 06, 2009, 09:51:00 PM
It's still windy as all get out -- but it's a tiny bit better than earlier.  Not so good, though, if you want to potty on the Salt -- I hear that a bunch of toilets got blown over (and yes, they were staked down) and some even had the doors blown off.  Great, hey?

So I called the servie company and left a message (it was after business hours) requesting that they send a damage control team in the morning when they come out to "service" the units. 

Therefore I say unto you all:  Go before you get to the Salt Friday morning.  It may be a while 'til all's back in working condition.

Jon  A/K/A Potentate of Porta Potties
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2009, 08:51:57 AM
Still a bit windy with a 60% chance of the wet stuff, no clouds in the sky at this time in Wendover.  No real huury to get on the salt yet, be out there probably after 9.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2009, 08:39:04 PM
We got through inspection with a breeze, not much of a wait and the ran down to get gas.  Just a drop
or two and very little wind.  Well get in line in the morning after the drivers meeting and who knows when well run.  Maybe tomorrow but most likely Saturday.  I'll keep everyone updated. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on August 07, 2009, 10:45:41 PM
Good luck folks, go get it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on August 08, 2009, 12:06:16 AM
Dean, wish you were here. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on August 08, 2009, 01:08:07 AM
Believe me, so do I Fred! 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 08, 2009, 10:34:01 AM
8:23AM    About 60F and no wind but I'd consider this excellent to run but rather cold as compared to normal

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 55chevr on August 08, 2009, 12:00:55 PM
Freud - enjoy the 60-s temps ... I doubt it will stay that cool very long ... say hello to Glen for me ... Joe
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2009, 08:26:39 PM
We made first shake down run about an hour ago, 2 1/4 speed of 243.747 first mile 258.881 middle we shut down 3/4 of the way through do to two header pipes breaking and we still went 286.367mph.  We are welding the pipes up now and will run again tomorrow with a leaner tune.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2009, 12:23:26 AM
A little update.  We had to take off the other header as well.  It would have broke on the next run, next meet we will need new zoomies.  We will put the headers back on in the morning and give it another go. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 09, 2009, 11:05:52 AM
 :cheers:
thanks for update
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 09, 2009, 11:19:55 AM
Good Luck  B'ville,,,,  Keep us updated,,, be safe, and go Fast...

Charles
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2009, 12:56:40 PM
We started it up a few minutes ago and found out we spun the key way off the crank pulley.  We will fix it and run later in the day.  I guess that's what 36lbs of boost will do to it. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2009, 11:54:09 AM
We are headed toward salt lake to Chapman racing heads for a head job I mean valve replacement/valve job on both heads.  Should be racing again tomorrow. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2009, 04:38:02 PM
We ordered all new valves.  3 intake and 3 exhaust valves were bent so we over nighted all new stuff.  The heads will be done tomorrow around noon.  Should be racing on Wednesday. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 10, 2009, 04:56:26 PM
Good luck
terry :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2009, 08:17:30 PM
Hey Bob Ellis, Augie says hi but your a sheep shagger.   :-D. They kissed the piston with the valve and burnt a small spot in the piston.  They are lapping the valves in and they are going to go for anyway.  They said if they are going home it might as well be in big pieces rather than small ones. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
We are heading to the salt now with a set of reworked heads, we will run in the morning.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 11, 2009, 03:51:47 PM
B'ville,,,  wow lots of work in short order,,,,

Good luck, GO FAST,,, don't hurt that awesome motor and BE SAFE...

Keep the reports coming....

Charles
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2009, 10:32:33 PM
We fired her up and look out, she sounds crisp.  Can't wait till record run are over. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wolcottjl on August 12, 2009, 12:07:59 AM
GOOD LUCK!  Everyone is pulling for you!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2009, 02:29:50 PM
Just made a pass and went 268 in the 1/4 and shut down before the mile.  We went 269 in mile and blew off the blower intake to the manifold.  Were in impound now. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on August 12, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
Nice !!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2009, 07:03:53 PM
A little more info on todays run.  We blew off the blower tube at the elbow before the intake, also we blew anti seize all over the distributor and valve cover because some of the manifold bolts came loose.  We made a 3/4 metal strap to hold the elbow and the blower tube together so we don't have the same problem.  We are heading out of impound for the 2 club dinner. Will report more after record runs. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wolcottjl on August 12, 2009, 11:14:26 PM
  Were in impound now. :cheers:

Not a bad place to be.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2009, 11:34:15 AM
Dad spun at the half mile so we need to requalify.  Yesterday he ran without turning on the inter cooler today the intake temp was 50 degrees, just a bit more power than expected.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2009, 06:44:02 PM
We requalified for records run again, we ran 267 in the 1/4 and then we had two welds brake on two different blower tubes and shut down before the mile and still went 285 in the first mile.  We were tacking 312 but stuff happens and we sunk all the valves and don't know why so we are done for this year.  There is no door slammer this year that has gone faster than us or even faster in the third mile.  The only doorslammer that may have gone faster in the first mile is the Leggit firebird.  Were happy with the speed but no record this year.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 13, 2009, 08:36:58 PM
B'ville,,,, man GREAT  effort,, way to hang in there and try and try and try again,,, awesome speeds..

Thanks for all the build posts and the updates... I know  we where all pulling for you,,,

Take care,,, safe travels home.

Charles
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 14, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
HEY PALS, it was marvelous to see you.

Hang in there.

See you at Gas Up?

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2009, 11:27:40 AM
Thanks everyone who replied, and Freud it was great to see you again too.  We will be home later today and I will start working on all the videos soon.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 15, 2009, 11:30:18 AM
Here's the only photo I got of you -- at the 200 MPH Club banquet.  It was great to see you all week, thrashing and running and everything else.  Congratulations!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on August 15, 2009, 03:20:36 PM
A few pics for ya. Fun pitting next to you guys. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2009, 11:07:32 PM
Brian, thanks for those pictures.  Seems like even when were ready for bville we are always thrashing to get the car fixed to run again.  Maybe next year will be the year we can relax and just run the car and visit more with our neighbors. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2009, 10:15:26 PM
We had a couple good videos of the car going by at the 3 1/2 mile mark but the person taking the video taped over the previous runs. :cry:  I still have the in car videos but I wanted to hear the sound of the car going down the course from a spectators point of view.  Anyone have any of our car?  I'll try to get the in car ones done soon. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 17, 2009, 10:42:11 AM
Troy, you, your dad and your crew are the epitome of what Bonneville is to me. Even with the challenges and struggles you had to deal with, you guys all had smiles on your faces because you love being there. Thanks for the hospitality and friendship. Andy and J.R..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 17, 2009, 02:11:33 PM
Troy, you, your dad and your crew are the epitome of what Bonneville is to me. Even with the challenges and struggles you had to deal with, you guys all had smiles on your faces because you love being there. Thanks for the hospitality and friendship. Andy and J.R..

  Thanks Andy and it was fun putting J.R. in the car.

     JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 17, 2009, 02:44:12 PM
I'll see if my pal has those sounds.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 17, 2009, 09:20:28 PM
HEY PALS, it was marvelous to see you.

Hang in there.

See you at Gas Up?

FREUD

  Great seeing you too Freud. It was real nice going to the Gas Up when I lived only 15 miles away now its 220. I know we are going to our friends 50th wedding anniversary in Santa Barbara in Sept and my grandsons wedding in Denver in Oct. but never say never.
  Hope you or someone has a video.

         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2009, 10:25:23 PM
I've got some videos.  They are not in order of our runs, I'm waiting on a SD chip to download the rest of the videos.  This first one is my dad on return record run.  We qualified four times but only got one chance for the record.  This was his attempt, he had problems remembering to turn a couple things on during his qualifier and went 268 in the 2 1/4 and shut down early and went through the mile at 269.  This run he had a lot more power, didn't quite make it very far. :-D :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_CEUEoBgq8
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 18, 2009, 11:01:45 PM
Bville,  what was that orange thing that smacked the windshield during the spin ?  Was it the pilot chute  or a cone or course marker ?

Charles
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2009, 11:18:10 PM
That was the half mile marker, it left two pipe marks on the passenger side door.  When I see this video, I laugh every time thinking I'm glad it wasn't me that hit it. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 19, 2009, 12:49:30 AM
That was the half mile marker, it left two pipe marks on the passenger side door.  When I see this video, I laugh every time thinking I'm glad it wasn't me that hit it. :-D

  Ho ho ho you were supposed to show that one last. Well I wasn't laughing.
  Going 170 at that point. Notice the difference in the throttle application in the 285 in the first mile video,[not here yet] I wasn't going to loose it 2 in a row :roll:

               JL222

  glad we didn't paint it yet :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2009, 11:33:34 AM
I don't know what happened to the audio on this video but it starts out with a lot of static and eventually gets better. :x  This is our fastest run to date in the first mile.  My dad short shifts all the way to high gear and then goes all out on the TPS.  As you watch you can see a weld brake at the blower tube connecting the pipes just before the window, another weld broke at the connector pipe going through the fire wall.  This break is more apparent because you will see the hood pop up due to the burst of air beneath it.  Our 2 1/4 time was 268 mph and our mile time was 285 mph.  The blower tube popped about 2 1/2 to 3 seconds before the 3 mile marker. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFANJvXAQqU
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 23, 2009, 02:45:52 PM

  I didn't make the 200 club after that spin but were really happy with the 267.97 21/4 and 285.472 1st timed mile or mile 3 time even though it quit running about 2.5 sec and 1100 ft to end of mile 3. Tacking 310.6 when blower tube connector came loose. This is a good time for us and were happy with the way the car handles at speed and hooks up [nothing scary unless you get to carried away in 1st or 2nd]
  On the qualifying run the day before we had a 268.109 21/2 and a 269.424 1st timed mile speed, but the most encouraging thing is that we were taching 23 mph more [ 295 vs 272] at the same 51.8 secs on this run than the 285 run. Unfortunenatly the video on this run didn't come out [not turned on]? but I believe it quit just after entering the 1st timed mile [between the 2 and 21/4]
  We can fix the blower connection problem and I think I have the valve problem figured out and we have some ideas for more low speed traction.


    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 23, 2009, 05:59:10 PM
It sorta scares me how hard that mile marker sounded when it whapped the car -- knowing that I went through one of 'em (4 1/2 mile) on the long course, at about 200 (199.586 in the previous mile).  I've still got black and blue bruises on my pinky finger where the clutch lever slapped the finger between lever and handlegrip, and a few other marks, too.  But the marker you hit sure looked and sounded harder than the one I went through -- or maybe it wasn't, but I was really lucky.

I promise to pay better attention to where I'm going.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: interested bystander on August 23, 2009, 07:59:21 PM
Hey, J222 and Bville Racer.

There were 504 entries  participating, but a minority were true RACERS. You guys were certainly at the TOP of the RACER's list.

Keep up the hard work!

(Carefull of the spin demons, though -maybe ya outta re-adress the front to rear.)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 23, 2009, 10:25:15 PM
   Thanks, but 295 mph  right at the 1st of the 3 mile  and you think we should put more weight on the front end? I like the way you and  [some] of the other center of pressure people and competitors think. There were lots of other spins out there with less than our weight distribution.

                      JL222

  PS. when I spun the 222 car was going 170 mph in 13 sec the fastest in that part of the course yet for us and were
thinking of ways to add more wheel loading without adding weight.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on August 24, 2009, 12:44:51 AM
   Thanks, but 295 mph  right at the 1st of the 3 mile  and you think we should put more weight on the front end? I like the way you and  [some] of the other center of pressure people and competitors think. There were lots of other spins out there with less than our weight distribution.

                      JL222  

Some might say every car is different...............
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on August 24, 2009, 07:18:20 AM
JL222 & bvillercr , You guys are true hero's (in my opinion anyway),For what you have accomplished , and yet to accomplish,you have set the standard for Doorslammers on the salt!!I'd rank you up there with my lifetime hero-Craig Breedlove,For the dedication,drive,determination,& desire to do what you have done (so far...More is in that Camaro !!).I hope you can get the bugs sorted out,would love to see ya get that 300!
 Cheers , Bob. (Probably your biggest fan?)....(how about bringing that Camaro down here to Lake Gairdner??)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 24, 2009, 11:44:05 AM

   Thanks Bob.... Now my hat won't fit. I was just going to look at the different videos and run data to see how soon we
 could accelerate to 300 and will post my findings. All runs so far [in 1st @ 2nd we never gave over 50% throttle with revs still increasing at good rate.  That 285 1st timed mile was the easiest I've ever been on the throttle so were excited about
how fast and quick it will go.

    JL222 :cheers:
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 25, 2009, 04:50:06 PM
 
  After looking and comparing videos and run data we reached 170 mph [on spin run] 11 sec faster than 285 1st timed mile run later that day [310 indicated speed before blow off] subtracting 11 sec from  video the 2 mile marker [start of 1st timed mile] goes by  :-P

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 30, 2009, 10:09:28 PM

  Our Bonneville Pro computer program is amazing looking at our F.A.S.T. EFI data I can see when each shift occurred [rpm and sec from ist throttle apply] interring this info into Bville pro for our last run and were I was able to apply full throttle,
the program was right on and so were our data inputs, shift from 3rd  6000 rpm speed 216 now in 4th [high gear] time to 311 mph 6850 rpm [actual 20.8 sec] computer printout 20.2 sec.

               JL222

  These times don't happen as fast as the program predicts because we can't full throttle it at start

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 30, 2009, 10:14:28 PM
One word:

LORING

  :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 30, 2009, 11:28:13 PM
One word:

LORING

  :cheers:

Mike

Could almost consider the Texas Mile, but Loring?  Dats just a little too far. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 31, 2009, 02:05:35 PM
But it's 50% longer!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 31, 2009, 02:08:09 PM
Do you mean the tow is 50% longer?

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 31, 2009, 02:09:39 PM
No -- it's always 50% longer.

The tow depends on where you start.

Stan
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 31, 2009, 02:44:41 PM
And also where you end.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: John Noonan on September 01, 2009, 02:29:18 AM
DR, thanks for the call today, always a true pleasure.  :cheers:

J
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 17, 2009, 02:31:34 PM
Some things that we need to do in this off season which has already started for us, meaning we won't run until May El Mirage meet.  We need to tear down the motor and check pistons, cylinder walls and crank.  We need to rebuild our headers and make them out of stainless, we are thinking about a higher gear ratio so our torque isn't as great on the tires when we shift plus we are hitting the mile at bville close to 300 so the extra gear should help for the next two miles.  We also need to upgrade our connections at the blower pipes.  Those really good connectors are not cheap, anyone out there want to sponsor those? :-D  Future or near future upgrades would be H2O injection into the impellar and some possible suspension adjustments.  Tear down of the engine soon. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 17, 2009, 03:32:12 PM
Some things that we need to do in this off season which has already started for us, meaning we won't run until May El Mirage meet.  We need to tear down the motor and check pistons, cylinder walls and crank.  We need to rebuild our headers and make them out of stainless, we are thinking about a higher gear ratio so our torque isn't as great on the tires when we shift plus we are hitting the mile at bville close to 300 so the extra gear should help for the next two miles.  We also need to upgrade our connections at the blower pipes.  Those really good connectors are not cheap, anyone out there want to sponsor those? :-D  Future or near future upgrades would be H2O injection into the impeller and some possible suspension adjustments.  Tear down of the engine soon. :-D

  Bvillercr...you forgot to mention our main problem replacing all the valves with inconel on  the ehaust [which we haven't been able to get when we need them] and titanium on the intakes and we might inject water after the intercooler also but the water would't be evaporating untll the compression stroke with the cool temps coming out of intercooler.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 17, 2009, 03:56:56 PM
Oh yeah, I was in a hurry to get to soccer game.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wilcox garage on October 17, 2009, 04:34:59 PM
I have been checking around for good prices on v-band clamps and found a guy advertising on Yellobullet. The website is www.theboostdepot.com , his Yellobullet add states he will give a discount for quantity orders but even his normal prices are $30.00 cheaper than Burns Stainless. My brother is getting ready to order some for a customers car that is getting a F2 and a air to air intercooler.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 17, 2009, 04:59:14 PM
I have been checking around for good prices on v-band clamps and found a guy advertising on Yellobullet. The website is www.theboostdepot.com , his Yellobullet add states he will give a discount for quantity orders but even his normal prices are $30.00 cheaper than Burns Stainless. My brother is getting ready to order some for a customers car that is getting a F2 and a air to air intercooler.

   Thanks that seems like a lot better price than we've seen and we could use at least 3. We have to take the blower tubes off in order to remove the right side valve cover and those v clamps would make it a lot faster plus hold better.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on October 23, 2009, 10:37:31 PM
Hey Troy,
At what stage is the car in now.
Do you run it at El Mirage?

Rob
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 24, 2009, 10:15:54 PM
Rob, yes we do run at El Mirage.  Been running El Mirage and Bonneville since 1989, mostly through the late 90's with a little break from 2003-06.  Here are a few videos of the car.

This is our best dyno run on mechanical fuel injection.  2000 HP and 1900 ft lbs.  This was 28 1/2 lbs boost at 6000 rpms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxH3Ltv9o0

This one is after we installed our FAST unit.  We got 32 lbs boost at 6800 rpms and figured it to be 2300 hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0

This is El Mirage in November 08.  I got loose on a not so good track, shute did not deploy but I did not spin out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

Same run just an in car video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

This was our last time out at El Mirage and the track was good to about half track and after that was loose.  As I shift into high gear I made the mistake of not lifting the throttle with an air shift transmision and get loose but save it.  I was trying to go over 200 so I could get into the 200 mph line.  We have held a AA record in BGALT at 229 since 1990.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on October 24, 2009, 11:03:33 PM
You better make the November meet or I'll be massively disappointed.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 25, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
We will be there!!  But the car will not.  :cry:  We have duty so its required.  We just took apart the top end and the number three chamber needs a little work and all the valves need to be replaced and upgraded.  The pistons look ok, but we need to take those out today and inspect them a little closer and we want to look at the cylinder walls and rod bearings.  The oil looks good with no shinny things floating in it.   :cheers:  Not sure if we would run El Mirage in November if we were ready, the track just isn't that good.  Maybe we will here different after todays meet but I doubt it.  We always try to run May and November so if your there next May we should be there.   :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 19, 2009, 01:52:28 AM
Freud, where were you?  I kept an eye out for you but didn't see ya.  We were mostly at the BMR pits and th start line.  We did go down course and took some video, sorry we missed you.   :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on November 19, 2009, 11:01:48 AM
Now that I am home and have time to think about it, Stan Beck guided me away from everyone I wanted to see.

He had me walking all over to try to get him a ride on the mobile davenport.

At least, I didn't get involved with the back door.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on November 19, 2009, 11:06:20 AM
Now that I am home and have time to think about it, Stan Beck guided me away from everyone I wanted to see.

He had me walking all over to try to get him a ride on the mobile davenport.

At least, I didn't get involved with the back door.

FREUD

Yep, everytime I saw you you were hanging out with low life's.......  :-D
Stan is sneeky that way.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 19, 2009, 07:02:10 PM
I saw Stan once, looked like he was in a hurry to get somewhere. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 21, 2009, 01:37:05 PM
We are looking into using a Racepack system to monitor EGT and a few other parameters.  Are there any other systems out there that would work in similar capabilities?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on November 21, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
We are looking into using a Racepack system to monitor EGT and a few other parameters.  Are there any other systems out there that would work in similar capabilities?

Yes.........





Okay, the Racepack is one of the best systems out there but being that you are already using a FAST EFI system they also now make a 8 channel EGT adpt. for their system. No point in having more software and data capacity than you need at least from a $$ stand point. A different unit can cost a grand or more, the FAST will only add hundreds to your system imo. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 21, 2009, 03:13:25 PM
The only problem with adding more to the fast unit is, the more we add the less time we have to record.  That's why we were looking into a different unit. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: stratman59 on November 21, 2009, 03:57:01 PM
Troy,

http://www.motorsportsinnovations.com/

Check out the innovate DL-32. It records up to 32 channels and about 4 hours of data with a 2gb
sd card.This is what we run but are using two O2 sensors.
I think you can piggly back in with the FAST stuff also.
Call them and talk to Greg

Hope this helps
Robbie
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 21, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
Thanks for the option Robbie, we need to talk with Donnie at Racepack and then descide if we want to go another route. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 21, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
Edlebrock
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 21, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
Edelbrock what and where?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on November 21, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
Edelbrock, Quick Data. It's what we run currently. I'm looking into the info on FAST. I thought it was a seperate data recorder. I'll let you know. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on November 21, 2009, 10:53:40 PM
Troy I have a friend that has a FAST Dash / datalogger and the 8 channel egt stuff. He has about 4 passes on it so it all pretty new. Do you want me to ask him how much he wants for it?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 22, 2009, 10:58:47 AM
Sure, it never hurts to find out how much the used stuff costs.  Can you find out model number too? :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on November 22, 2009, 11:05:13 AM
Dang,  you guys are all Modern and Technical !!!

My data logger is,  My Ears, Throttle Pedal and Seat of the Pants...  But I guess I am going to have to step up and join you Modern guys,,,

I thought I could Run Classic Class and not need any electronics...

Charles
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 22, 2009, 11:19:25 AM
We really need to monitor our EGTs, we stretched too many valves on both intake and exhaust.  We also need to modify or relocate our AF sensor, we may be getting an inaccurate reading resulting in unwanted results. :-o  Spend a lot to save even more. :roll: :roll:  This is still amature racing right? :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on November 22, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
Dynoroom's signiture says it all. Without data, you're just a man with an opinion.

I'll ask Matt what he want's for his egt stuff and dashlogger.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 23, 2009, 12:27:32 AM
Dang,  you guys are all Modern and Technical !!!

My data logger is,  My Ears, Throttle Pedal and Seat of the Pants...  But I guess I am going to have to step up and join you Modern guys,,,

I thought I could Run Classic Class and not need any electronics...

Charles

  We were the same way Charles [for years] but when we had the car on the dyno for the 1st time last year and they had to shut the run down [ 2096 hp 1960+ torque at 5900 rpm] with mechanical fuel injection because it was lean I finnaly gave up and went with the EFI. We tried to richen it with a boost richening device but it was real hard to start and always was,now it starts great and we have a lot of data to look at after runs but still need more.


                                                               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Drury on November 23, 2009, 12:53:11 PM
  The guys at Fast told me not to have the A/F sensor too close to the end of the collector, as it will get a false reading... keep it upstream near the merge. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 23, 2009, 03:58:38 PM
  The guys at Fast told me not to have the A/F sensor too close to the end of the collector, as it will get a false reading... keep it upstream near the merge. 

   We have zoomies similar to funny cars Bob, 12'' from head and 16'' from end of pipe.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 24, 2009, 10:21:51 AM
Dynoroom's signiture says it all. Without data, you're just a man with an opinion.

I'll ask Matt what he want's for his egt stuff and dashlogger.

usually a strong opinion.   :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on November 24, 2009, 09:52:11 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 25, 2009, 05:22:19 PM
Just a small list of things we need to do before we run next year.
1.  Take out tranny and install near overdrive gearing.
2.  Take out block and balance the internals again.
3.  New zoomies
4.  EGT/data logger?
5.  Rebuild heads(in progress)
6.  A piston or two
7.  Fix crack in water tank
8.  Put it back together
9.  More dyno time

if I forgot something JL222 will add to the list
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 25, 2009, 07:12:51 PM
Just a small list of things we need to do before we run next year.
1.  Take out tranny and install near overdrive gearing.
2.  Take out block and balance the internals again.
3.  New zoomies
4.  EGT/data logger?
5.  Rebuild heads(in progress)
6.  A piston or two
7.  Fix crack in water tank
8.  Put it back together
9.  More dyno time

if I forgot something JL222 will add to the list

  Water injection into front of Pro-charger :-)

    JL222

     
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 27, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
We have forgotten about the new rule, we need another head restraint system.  Does this mean we can remove the new 2 inch side to side padding we just installed? :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 21, 2009, 11:56:50 PM
We got one of these in the mail a little while back.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/plack.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on December 22, 2009, 12:24:15 AM
Nice!!!     :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on December 22, 2009, 03:30:01 AM
Well done guy's . you certainly earned that trophy!! 300 next year? Yeah! Like I've said before,a 300mph doorslammer is AWESOME!!
Cheers guys , Bob.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 22, 2009, 11:57:21 AM
Well done guy's . you certainly earned that trophy!! 300 next year? Yeah! Like I've said before,a 300mph doorslammer is AWESOME!!
Cheers guys , Bob.

Next year is comming up soon!  I guess we should start our 2010 rebuild. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 28, 2009, 03:45:34 PM
  Just reading by Christmas present ( The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine by Sir Harry Ricardo) and convinced now more than ever to go back to water injection. His research suggest injecting water into the impeller which gives the additional benefit of cooling the blower plus the air but also the benefit of steam as an anti-knock. Both water+methanol and steam were tested independently to assess separately its too functions.


                JL222 :cheers:

                                      
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Drury on December 28, 2009, 05:17:03 PM
  How about beer, and make the motor happy at the same time?     :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on December 28, 2009, 05:50:11 PM
I have been reading my Christmas present to me :-D.Four-stroke Performance Tuning by A Graham Bell. Whew, my friend who recomended, said it would give me a headache, close.

  Fred
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 28, 2009, 07:31:47 PM
  How about beer, and make the motor happy at the same time?     :cheers:

  Maybe we could get a sponsorship. Good idea :-D

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 28, 2009, 10:42:56 PM
Where will the water tank go?  Possibly above the lower blower tube?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on December 28, 2009, 11:12:47 PM
It's nice to see the wheels turning again for the Langlo's.

I'll be watching with interest.

Bonneville NW Reunion   FEB 13th

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on December 28, 2009, 11:14:09 PM
Where will the water tank go?  Possibly above the lower blower tube?

Just be quiet & drive.....  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 29, 2009, 05:03:11 PM
Where will the water tank go?  Possibly above the lower blower tube?

  The intercooler water would be good but they want a sealed tank  :wink:

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on December 31, 2009, 08:30:22 AM
I was just wondering if you are having a problem with detonation or a motor durability issue, or if its just the racers addiction of always wanting more power ?

I don't know all the ins and outs of your car and team of course but if it's not a detonation problem it appears to me that you will go alot faster than you have with the power you have once you sort through the few bugs that have stopped the car from ripping off a really stupendous number.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all because I deff. am not. I'm just trying to be the voice of reason, I have a couple of good friends that always have to kick me back on the right track as I tend to get carried away with making more power and it must be worse in your case with the power production being the Sky's the limit.

 I hope that rambling made a little sense and that you get my drift.
Basically it just looks to me like you guys are gonna break some records with extreme prejudice with the current the current set up.

P.S.- I  your car is one of my favorites.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 31, 2009, 12:48:12 PM

  Thanks Evo

 Were not trying to make more power right now and our main problem [ besides blower tube blow offs] at speedweek was stretching the valves even though the air fuel ratio showed high tens to low elevens. We hope to install pyrometers on each exhaust to monitor the cylinder temps and water injection to help with detonation. We can't figure out why things got so hot as the intake temp was only 140 degrees leaving the intercooler at the end of the runs and it seemed to be rich enough and the plugs showed no signs of excess heat. Its like it might be retarded but set only 2 degrees less than normal.
 After we make these changes we'll put it back on Precision Auto's dyno and see whats going on.
  One other change is going to 3/8 stem inconell exhaust [which we haven't been able to get on time in the past] and titaniam intakes.

                           JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on December 31, 2009, 12:56:10 PM
Inconel exhaust and Beryllium seats help for sure.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2009, 02:20:43 PM

I don't know all the ins and outs of your car and team of course but if it's not a detonation problem it appears to me that you will go alot faster than you have with the power you have once you sort through the few bugs that have stopped the car from ripping off a really stupendous number.

P.S.- I  your car is one of my favorites.
[/quote]

Well, yes and no.  We haven't had a great 5 mile time yet, but a 285mph number in the first timed mile is in the top three for any doorslammer.(I think) :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on December 31, 2009, 02:31:41 PM
We didn't do a 285 in the first mile. Our 285 was in the middle mile. I think you guys are in the top 2 with that speed!!!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
Not sure what Leggit did in the first mile but Blowfish went 286 in the first mile at the finals.  The good news for us is that we were not on the throttle as hard as we wanted because my dad wanted to qualify and not spin out like on his record return run that morning.  Also the blower tube popped off about 2-3 seconds before the mile trap(taching 312).  If we can get all of the gremlins fix, then we will have a pretty good number at the 5. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on December 31, 2009, 03:57:06 PM
Yep, forgot about the Blowfish.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on December 31, 2009, 04:55:32 PM
Troy or John,

What is your static compression ratio? What is the maximum boost on a run?

Thanks,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2009, 05:51:59 PM
We're running 8 1/2 to 1 and we ran 36lbs of boost at bonneville. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on December 31, 2009, 06:23:17 PM
What type of fuel do you run ?
I was under the impression that you run methanol.
Did you have the inconell ex valves at bonneville or not. If you didn't this will be a huge help, at the power I put down on gas my valves would tweak within a weekend with regular stainless ex. valves, inconell lasts way longer.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
Strickly gas, we may jump to the fuel class next year if we go over 300 and get a record.  If we do jump into the fuel class we will still run gas.  We run the A8C I believe it's a 120 octane (research method).  Last year we got two runs in at 286 middle mile(header broke) and 279 middle(not running very good) and found out we bent a valve.  We took both heads up to Chapman Racing Heads and replaced all of the intake and exhaust valves.  We didn't have enough time to get the high dollar valves we wanted.  These valves lasted 6 and 1/2 miles before they went bad.  The last run we went 285 with no valve clearence at the end of that run.  One of our heads is being picked up this weekend after being welded up near the spark plug thread.  Once we get that one back they will have inconell exhaust and titanium intakes. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on December 31, 2009, 07:10:04 PM
Do you guys run piston squirters?  not EDM rods constant spray up the bore to bottom of pistons?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 01, 2010, 01:20:11 PM
Nope, but that is some great technology.  Maybe someday. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 02, 2010, 11:30:35 PM
Do you guys run piston squirters?  not EDM rods constant spray up the bore to bottom of pistons?

  I read an article about a guy with a tubo chev and a datson [168 in 1/4 mile drags and a car he claimed to drive to his machine shop] doing that about 15 years ago and I'm suprised that more engine builders don't do it. He machined a groove in the main bearing saddles [under the bearings and over to the oil feed] and made some kind of squirter aimed at the inside bottom of pistons. He claimed it took a bunch of heat away from the piston head but I don't know how he measured it [ he gave a number] but it did fix a problem he had. It seems that boring a hole up the middle of a rod would work but i'm waiting for somebody else to do it.

                JL222

                  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on January 03, 2010, 09:06:39 AM
most now drill a hole through the upper part of a main saddle and install a small screw in tube that can be aimed others build a mainfold and lip over into the bottom of a bore.---Turbo Diesels have been doing it for years and years---even have passages through underpart of the piston crown like a rear end lube channel.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on January 03, 2010, 10:09:54 AM
I don't want to over step my boundaries and I may be wrong as I haven't tuned a high hp big blocks but I would check the plugs and if there is no sign of detonation I would start adding timing to the tune up as this will lower the egts. I also think it's a great idea to data log the egt from each cyl. I'm looking into a setup at this time.
If I remember correctly you also had some problems with the old intercooler setup and you now have a new one?, I believe you should be able to lower the intake temps quite a bit with a better properly sized and installed intercooler set up. The reason I say properly installed is because I have seen large differences in temps just by changing the routing of the water lines to straighten them out.
On my old core I thought it was working just fine, then I moved to a larger core with a better lay out and now the temps plummet as soon as I turn on the pump and they stay well under 100 degree's at the end of a run, I have even decreased the amount of ice I run in the tank as the temps can get to cold, the engine really doesn't like below 50* intake temps.

Anyway sorry for he whole intercooler tangent, what I was trying to get at is that if you lower the intake temp you lower the chance of detonation and can increase the timing thereby further lowering the egt.

If I'm wrong please correct me.

           Mike Reichen
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: salt27 on January 03, 2010, 03:32:34 PM
Do you guys run piston squirters?  not EDM rods constant spray up the bore to bottom of pistons?

My experience with piston squirters is that they can raise oil temperature [the heat has to go somewhere].
Probably not a concern with a large enough dry sump, but it may be an issue with a marginal oil system.
Just something to beware of.

Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 03, 2010, 03:44:22 PM
  Evo
   How much boost and how far are you going to get those numbers?
  Your right about the lower the intake temps the lower the exhaust temps. In Ricardo's book he states the intake temp is doubled at the end of compression stroke [on his test engine] so lowering the temp can be a big benefit in that area. We are real happy with our new intercooler.

                       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on January 03, 2010, 03:57:59 PM
John or Troy,

Have you ever tried running lower boost levels on the dyno?   

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 03, 2010, 04:22:11 PM
John or Troy,

Have you ever tried running lower boost levels on the dyno?  

Tom G.

  We can see the power rise with the boost on the print out sheet. More boost more power :-D
  Were not looking to add more boost and were getting 36 lbs at 6850 now and will be even more at 7000 plus
  I don't believe boost hurts the motor but detonation does, the John dear type diesel tractor pullers have run 250 lbs of boost [and injecting water at 3 gal min] because their just compressing air and injecting the fuel when the piston is going in the right direction.

             JL222
    
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on January 03, 2010, 05:32:11 PM
JL222- I have run around 40 psi on the dyno with a new intake manifold and the current setup it puts down 1093 awhp, this is on race gas and my old turbo and header setup. This turbo should max out somewhere around 1150 awhp then it's onto a new header and a bigger turbo(this is to run the mile not Bonneville).
Oh by the way my block comes standard with piston squirters. When I drag raced I did not use them but now that I am land speed racing I am using them once again.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 03, 2010, 05:51:15 PM
EVO,
I know you have probably posted this info already, but what do you run for a drive train. 1100 hp is a ton of torque and that is what kills transmissions.

John and Troy,
Sounds like your update and rebuild is going good, let me know when you are going to the dyno and I may take a special trip to the valley to watch. Are you going to do double wall headers like funny cars??

John, you are right about the "Super Stock" tractor pullers using some really unbelievable blower boost numbers but remember a big JD or IH has a crank shaft that probably weights more than your engine. They are really stout.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 03, 2010, 11:04:15 PM
Rex, we haven't worked on the car in a while.  It's a new year now so we need to get working on it soon.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on January 04, 2010, 12:13:46 AM
Very interesting.................

I've not used oil squirters, however they will cool the piston. Below are a few other ways to do this also...

So will thicker rings (.062 vs. .043) this is how heat is transferred to the cylinder wall then the coolant, Chargeair cooling (for every degree drop in inlet temp you will see an equal drop in exhaust temp) don't believe me, ask Ricardo etc., More piston skirt contact area (again heat transfer to the coolant), and a thicker piston deck or crown (this is again how the heat is removed from the chamber to the cooling system).

Oil on the bottom of the pistons is fine but a few things to keep in the back of your mind when you do this.

If your oil supply is limited (say 5 to 7 quarts) you can overheat the oil so you might want to run a cooler.

Pay attention to your oil pressure. 8 oil squirters will reduce oil pressure to the engine.

Most race engines are concerned with crankcase windage. Shooting 8 nozzles at the bottom of your pistons rotating at 8000 rpm does what?

Also keep in mind that if you are not running a drysump or high crankcase vacuum you probally already have plenty of oil splashing on the bottom of your pistons.

The above information is my point of view regarding boosted engines at Bonneville. In-line 4's, 6's, & V-6's etc. are included

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on January 04, 2010, 07:36:42 AM
Rex- My drivetrain consists of a stock rear diff with solid mounting and the taller talon gear, driveshaft shop custom rear axles with evo 8 rear hubs, a custom 2 piece driveshaft shop driveshaft, a shepard transmissions upgraded t-case, a stock trans with Shepard(PPG) dog gears 1-4 and a stock talon 5th gear, the clutch is a Tilton carbon-carbon twin disc with a hydraulic throwout bearing.
As far as torque goes it doesn't have alot compared to JL's car but it is pretty damn good for a 122 Ci engine, it lays down about 700 lb ft at all 4 wheels. I don't know how many of you are acquainted with awd dyno numbers but we have done comparisons between awd and 2 wd with the same car at the same dyno on the same day and it is between 8-10 % higher when in 2wd mode. So you would take any numbers I put up and roughly multiply by 10% so around 750 lb ft torque at 2 wheels.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 05, 2010, 08:21:30 PM
Our motor is 4 times larger than yours yet we do not have 4 times the HP or torque.  I would say that your motor is pretty darn impressive. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jacksoni on January 06, 2010, 08:11:05 AM
Do you guys run piston squirters?  not EDM rods constant spray up the bore to bottom of pistons?

  I read an article about a guy with a tubo chev and a datson [168 in 1/4 mile drags and a car he claimed to drive to his machine shop] doing that about 15 years ago and I'm suprised that more engine builders don't do it. He machined a groove in the main bearing saddles [under the bearings and over to the oil feed] and made some kind of squirter aimed at the inside bottom of pistons. He claimed it took a bunch of heat away from the piston head but I don't know how he measured it [ he gave a number] but it did fix a problem he had. It seems that boring a hole up the middle of a rod would work but i'm waiting for somebody else to do it.

                JL222

                  

http://www.blp.com/pdf/install/DomeOilerInstall1.pdf
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 07, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
Nice find, thanks for the info.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 10, 2010, 11:41:48 PM
Just received this nice picture, the photo was from Laser Imagaing(their spelling) at speedweek. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bonnevillepic.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on January 11, 2010, 12:52:57 AM
Nice picture!!!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on January 11, 2010, 03:22:06 AM
And well earned. :cheers: :cheers: :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 11, 2010, 11:12:23 AM
I was under the car taking the drive shaft off and thought to myself it sure is nice to working on the car and being able to watch playoff games. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/wheelwell.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on January 11, 2010, 10:34:58 PM
 :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 12, 2010, 12:12:32 AM
We got our head all welded up and it will join it's twin sometime this week at the head hospital for valve replacement and upgrade. :-D. So we started the 2010 overhall by taking the transmissions out so now the engine compartment is next. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on January 12, 2010, 09:14:05 PM
Troy,
What valves will you be using?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 12, 2010, 10:48:05 PM
Manley
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 12, 2010, 11:20:54 PM
Ok, I'm on my home computer now.  Here is a picture of our repaired head.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/fixedhead.jpg)

We took the head in today and order new Manley valves.  The exhaust will be Inconel and the Intake will be Titanium.  We should have them back in a month, with plenty of time to get other engine components worked on.

Our transmissions in:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tranny1.jpg)

Our transmissions out:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/trannyout.jpg)

Next is to take out the blower plate and the block.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on January 13, 2010, 12:32:08 AM
Did a good job on repairing your head.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 13, 2010, 10:27:54 AM
Did a good job on repairing your head.   :cheers:

the center cylinder(see picture)spark plug was a little dinged up.  A couple friends did the work, Walt did the welding and Chief did the finish work.  Both from Santa Barbara and both helped in the origional build of the car.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 13, 2010, 11:01:00 AM

  All the small pinholes in the same chamber are from a previous repair job [dropped a valve in 03 resulting in a slower record
and chamber looked like hamberger]. The same guys did the repair work Walt Waiton did the welding with his trick welder that adds very little heat and therefore does not require preheating and on recent repair we didn't have to replace the seats. Chief Galbraith did the machining and replaced the seats on the welded up 03 repair on his C@C machine which was not easy because of shape.

          JL222


                                         
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 18, 2010, 09:21:45 PM
Since our heads are in the shop and that is our main upgrade for the year I wanted to share some pictures of "Chapman Racing Heads" shop.  These guys were recommended by many Bonneville racers and I was givin direction to the shop by Larry Volk.  This shop is very friendly to Bonneville racers during speed week.  The problem we ran into wasn't Chapman Racing, it was the availability to get good valves overnight.  They really got our heads together quick and we got to finish speed week with some amazing runs after we got the engine back together.  Here are a few pictures of Chapman Racing Heads.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman3.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman4.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman5.jpg)

Big Mike is the man in charge of the shop and when you call be sure to ask for him.  They also had some pretty impressive customers on their shop board.  I know spelling will be an issue here but here I go, Genalossi and Dutweiller just to name a couple.  There were many other but these two stood out the most. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on January 18, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
That's a nice looking shop!!!    :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 19, 2010, 09:15:19 AM
...and seeing the fellow in the photo -- running -- makes a good impression, too.  They don't sit around drinking coffee!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on January 19, 2010, 09:43:26 AM
Mike Chapman is for sure no stranger to the salt. I am pretty sure he was involved with Skidmores efforts long ago. And today he is involved with Nish and several others.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 19, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Found a picture of "Big Mike" working on one of our valves.  He is the guy in charge of the shop, the owner is Mike Chapman

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bigmike.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: krusty on January 19, 2010, 08:26:52 PM
In 2008 we had a "slight overrev" on our 23* Pontiac heads. I pulled them, got to Chapman at 4pm, and was on my way back to Wendover @ 9pm with 16 new valves (needed only 15!), seats recut, etc. Big Mike is the MAN! He "borrowed" some new Manleys from another customer's build, did the same with some pedestal shims, and got us back on track. Absolutely the greatest service.    vic 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 20, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
Yes, big Mike goes over the top for racers in need at Bonneville that is for sure.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on January 20, 2010, 06:10:52 PM
That is a very nice looking shop.
I love how clean and orderly it is. It seems to me that everytime I have found a really good machinst there shops look like this(well maybe not that good).
What makes it even better is the fact that they go out of there way to take care of the racers.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on January 20, 2010, 10:23:34 PM
I was told today from a reliable source that Chapman Racing Heads closed it's doors yesterday. I sure hope that it is only temporary but I have a suspicion that it is not. Too bad..........
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 21, 2010, 01:53:53 PM
I just tried calling Chapman Racing and there was no answer and no recorder. :cry:  That is a real bummer, they were very friendly and helpful to us and i'm sure many other racers.  I hope that they can re-open at a later date.  Good luck to all of those that worked there. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on January 21, 2010, 02:01:29 PM
Another that closed is DC Water Jet in Las Vegas.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 22, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
Another that closed is DC Water Jet in Las Vegas.

These guys are fellow racers, right?  Don't they run a vette?  Gary is the name I'm thinking of but not sure if I have formally met them.  Good luck to them and any others that may have temporarily lost a job.   Where is the stimulus already?  :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on January 22, 2010, 06:51:23 PM
I just tried calling Chapman Racing and there was no answer and no recorder. :cry:  That is a real bummer, they were very friendly and helpful to us and i'm sure many other racers. 

Troy,

This was posted today on the Chapman Racing website.

Tom G.

Jan  22  2010

Chapman Racing heads will be staying open. We as a team are not ready to close even though Mike is retiring.

Please keep checking the website and we will let you know what is going on.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on January 23, 2010, 12:55:53 AM
Hang in there Chapman Racing.

The appreciation of your work, talent and willingness to "bail out the B'ville racer" goes on even as difficulties cross your path.

You are so faithful to a unique group of people and that adds stars to your crown.

Add a surcharge to whatever you do and you will likely have very little resistance from the racers. You are like the physicians

that are there when your breach baby is being born and both Mom and child survive because of your skill. We don't ask the

physician how much extra it is going to cost to save our wife and newborn.  

Sorta like a racers engine.

FREUD

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 23, 2010, 06:45:24 PM
I just tried calling Chapman Racing and there was no answer and no recorder. :cry:  That is a real bummer, they were very friendly and helpful to us and i'm sure many other racers. 

Troy,

This was posted today on the Chapman Racing website.

Tom G.

Jan  22  2010

Chapman Racing heads will be staying open. We as a team are not ready to close even though Mike is retiring.

Please keep checking the website and we will let you know what is going on.

That's great news for them; so is Mike the owner retiring and is "Big Mike" still going to run the shop? :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 25, 2010, 11:06:02 AM
Since we have rebuilt this car/engine and first ran in 08 we are now improving on the other parts to make the car more reliable.  First the heads are being upgraded as we speak.  Secondly we will be putting in taller gears(unexpected but good news).  Then we will be putting in a water injection system for cooler impeller/engine temps.  We will be monitoring the EGTs and lastly we need to build new headers.  At the last two speed weeks we have had to re-weld these, what a pain in the butt.  We want to watch more racing and do less thrashing this year. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 31, 2010, 11:50:21 AM
just a couple videos from the past for those who haven't yet seen them on this forum.

May El Mirage 08 before we added spill plates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

inside car view of the same run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 31, 2010, 12:08:32 PM
This one is from El Mirage in May of 09.  We have our spill plates on and I was able to continue after I got a little sideways.  The spill plates helped get me back straight quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

our last dyno run with the car.  We will have a new one this year before the El Mirage May meet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on January 31, 2010, 12:25:42 PM
Just like the fetching of an arrow.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on January 31, 2010, 10:19:12 PM
I thought Chapman had everything for sale a year ago.  Guess he hung around a bit longer.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on January 31, 2010, 10:32:01 PM
It is SO good to see that you are on the upgrade for 2010.  I will eagerly anticipate an upward spike in this year results.

I saw Freddie at the SCTA Awards Banquet Saturday night. He picked up a new set of wheels for his streamliner project.

Start work now and be ready before the next meet. You sleep better that way.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rightytighty on February 07, 2010, 04:40:06 PM
Hey Troy,

Enjoy your thread but your videos could use some help.. Not trying to be a jerk, but this product is cheap and works great.

http://www.goprocamera.com/products

I mentioned this to you, last time we chatted at the pizza joint..

We use it on drag boats.  The wind noise is muted and you still get to enjoy the engine sounds.  The wide angle  view is killer..  We mount one forward and one back ward.. Bad ass..

Here's a sample from a K boat.. (it's a blown alcohol roundy-round boat).  Takes about a minute to get it warmed up, but it's a real good example of the quality.. You'll see one of the cameras suctioned to the nose of the boat in one of the angles..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb69AWD8geE&feature=player_embedded

Best $300 you'll spend this year IMO...   Mostly because, I'll be able to see your car run a little more clearly.....

Selfish interest!  :-D


Neil
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 08, 2010, 12:48:49 AM

  Looks like a great little video camera Niel. Dang I just bought another brand last speedweek had somebody tape our 1st run but it got erased somehow :? Good info for anyone looking for a video camera and good price too. Thanks.


                          JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 08, 2010, 11:26:09 AM
Neil it was good to see you again and chat about racing.  Thanks for posting the go pro link, if I don't write it down I forget.   :-D. Looks like a great product and the audio sounds great on that boat video. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DSR88 on February 10, 2010, 06:12:31 PM
Hi Troy, I have been reading some of these pages on you car 63 pages is alot to read. I have always liked your guy's hot rod { impressive} 
   I seen you watched the video by your comment the D/BG motor was to shake the new car down we knew it would be good for 250 to 260 and we ended up being right. We bumped our own record 10 mph with the same engine out of the old car w/ 5 lbs less boost.As for 300 we have a bigger engine ready to go.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 10, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
Your CC is impressive and very clean.  Good luck to you guys, but I hope we go 300 first.... :-D :-D kidding of course
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DSR88 on February 10, 2010, 09:11:30 PM
Different classes but same GOALS and both cars have doors on them!!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like 2010 is going to be fun.Good luck to you guy's too.Your closer than we are but we will try to sneek up on ya 8-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 12go3az on February 11, 2010, 12:21:24 PM
Donnie told me I needed to check out your build site.    Real Nice !!
   Many years ago while brother & i were looking @ your car at B-ville  some guys came over & were discussing how & why your prochargers setup would NEVER work.    Later that same day you guys later went REALY FAST.  Made our day!
Nice car, see u in August.
                                         be safe-GO FAST! 








Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 11, 2010, 08:07:36 PM
When we first built our car we were one of if not the first to have two centrifugal superchargers on an engine at Bonneville.  The looks we got every year were comical, people would come up and tell their friends;  "see those big turbos"?  Some would say that the engine compartment was a plumbers nightmare!  The car worked very good with the old set up, but it was difficult to start, tune at low RPM's, and the set up was hard on the blowers.  Now that we have our new "Build" finished, the car is more predictable.  Easier to start, computer mapping, different overdrive, better inter-cooler and so on.  The one thing that stays the same is when people see the engine they now say, look at the huge turbo!!?  Yet we still have to explain that there is a belt attached to it and it's called a centrifugal supercharger made by Procharger. :-D  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on February 11, 2010, 10:20:07 PM
I'm thinking you guys are going to much faster than 300mph. The math says so! LOL. Should be a fun year for you guys.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 12, 2010, 10:42:17 AM
I'm thinking you guys are going to much faster than 300mph. The math says so! LOL. Should be a fun year for you guys.

We have run the numbers too and as long as we don't break anything and can make a few passes without problems then we think we'll run a great number.  The great white dyno hasn't been kind to us in the past 20 years, maybe this can be a great year.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on February 12, 2010, 11:29:25 AM
Turbos with Zoomies, howd ya do that? :-D :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hitz on February 12, 2010, 11:41:34 AM
big supercharger not turbo

harv
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on February 12, 2010, 03:30:41 PM
big supercharger not turbo

harv
:-D+ :evil:=attempt at humor.  :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 12, 2010, 11:21:29 PM
big supercharger not turbo

harv
:-D+ :evil:=attempt at humor.  :roll:

Brian, I knew what you ment. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 05, 2010, 10:15:44 PM
Been busy lately, so getting up to the car has been few and far between.  Tomorrow we will be taking out the blower system, the block and clutch.  It's that time of the year again. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 06, 2010, 01:14:52 AM
 
  I'm also trying to decide on a water injection system how much water to inject, and were to mount the tank.
  Looks like about 1/2 gal min and 250 psi pump and a one gal tank and one of the simpler kits, or we might make our own
 package up.

         JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 07, 2010, 12:18:01 AM
Got the engine and blower system out, now we need to do a complete tear down.  The clutch, flywheel, crank, cam....  You get the picture.  Should have it all back together before the second week of May. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 07, 2010, 01:20:27 PM
John and Troy,
Any thoughts of trying to make Elmo in May?

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 07, 2010, 01:42:37 PM
John and Troy,
Any thoughts of trying to make Elmo in May?

Rex

 Hi Rex... Yes, now that Elmo has been flooded were planning on running. Troy implied that the engine needed to be completely torn down but the only thing left in the engine is the crank and cam. The heads are at the head shop and the only reason we pulled the engine is to check the balance of the crank and flywheel assembly.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 07, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
John,
Are you planning to put your car on the dyno again? If so let me know as I would really like to watch!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 07, 2010, 11:57:09 PM
Rex we will have it on the dyno before the May meet, we'll keep you posted. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 11, 2010, 03:15:24 PM
Here's a couple pictures of our engine compartment getting cleared out.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/motorout1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/motorout2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/motorout3.jpg)

Just a picture of our two motors, the A we are currently running on the right and our AA on the left.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/twomotors.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on March 11, 2010, 06:37:09 PM
If u use the AA engine, does it have to go to meetings?

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on March 11, 2010, 08:24:14 PM
Freud,

Only if it becomes an oilaholic!

Lynda
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 11, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
If u use the AA engine, does it have to go to meetings?

FREUD

    It's been sentenced to meetings at El Mirage and Bville busting dirt and salt :-P

             JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on March 12, 2010, 09:50:17 AM
John and Troy, you guys should think about going to coil packs and crank trigger ignition instead of the distributor. Your geeks can run it through the computer, that's a great system. We put that on the straight 8 Buick, it's rock solid, no movement at the balancer with the timing light.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 12, 2010, 10:08:13 AM
John and Troy, you guys should think about going to coil packs and crank trigger ignition instead of the distributor. Your geeks can run it through the computer, that's a great system. We put that on the straight 8 Buick, it's rock solid, no movement at the balancer with the timing light.

Gary the distributor acts only as a source to deliver spark.  We do have a crank sensor and it runs off of our FAST unit.  A deception that you noticed. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on March 12, 2010, 10:28:10 AM
Troy, you still get a lot of slop in the delivery of the spark, plus using one coil instead of 8. You would like the coil packs.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 12, 2010, 12:05:52 PM
Your right coil packs would be great, we used to run the electromotive ones when we ran dual plugs.  We have other goodies on our wish list before we worry about the ignition system. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 12, 2010, 06:21:47 PM
First on our wish list is a Racepak system and then the water injection, then we will see after that. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: gearheadeh on March 12, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
Your right coil packs would be great, we used to run the electromotive ones when we ran dual plugs.

Why pray tell are you not running dual plug heads now? Are they not the best with ultra high boost?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 12, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
Your right coil packs would be great, we used to run the electromotive ones when we ran dual plugs.

Why pray tell are you not running dual plug heads now? Are they not the best with ultra high boost?

   The blown alcohol drag guys only use 1 plug and they run more boost than us. 16 plugs are a pta when you warm the engine just before a run. With the Electromotive we ran two units without a distrbutor with no problems for years but it had no spark just before speedweek one year and the fix we tried didn't work so it was MSD time. This unit is more powerfull and has some features that other ignitions don't.

                               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 15, 2010, 11:58:09 PM
Got word today that our valves have not come in yet.  Waiting on parts is no fun!   :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 20, 2010, 10:43:44 AM
Has anyone heard of any recent problems with Manley valves?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on March 20, 2010, 12:12:42 PM
No mechanical problems or service issues here. Who did you order them from? I get about 1-2 week turn around on custom length, or head & stem dia.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 20, 2010, 03:22:23 PM
I heard something about the coating that they put on the valve not lasting?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 22, 2010, 12:04:15 AM
Got some good news on our heads.  Our valves are in and the heads have been worked, just waiting on some trick lash caps and then we will put them together.  We have a naked KB now, the crank will go get checked for balanced and the block will get a little beebee hone soon.  Lots of things to still do, but we have about 7 weeks to get done before the May meet at Elmo.  Here is a little picture of Keith Black undressed. :cheers:



(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hemi.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on March 22, 2010, 10:36:50 AM
I had coatings come of my Ti valves---were told not to tuch them with my uncovered fingers, run stronger springs, and lash caps!!!!!!!  not Manleys
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 22, 2010, 05:48:04 PM
I had coatings come of my Ti valves---were told not to tuch them with my uncovered fingers, run stronger springs, and lash caps!!!!!!!  not Manleys

what do you like to run Sparky?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 23, 2010, 10:07:31 AM
While I'm waiting and curious on what Sparky uses, our head guy ordered Victory valves for us.  A lot of parts have been ordered and more yet to be.  The next couple of weeks will be waiting on the rest to come in and then it's go time. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 26, 2010, 01:43:28 AM
  Picked up the heads new titanium intakes, inconel exhaust and half of new trick retainer lash cap combo,now recovering from sticker shock!!
  Also spent 11/2 hrs talking to Rodney at ALCOHOL INJECTION SYSTEMS .COM [water only for us] looks like we'll be going with a custom setup with them. Way more water than I originally thought, but he is a drag racer himself and has worked with several racers including Bville racers. Before I said anything about our strecthing the valves problem he was telling me about a turboed V6 bville engine that was streching the valves every pass also and how they solved the problem with water injection.
 This is exactly what we want :-D

                JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 26, 2010, 07:57:40 PM
Got to see the heads and valves today.  Nice job on the heads, and I can't believe the weight on those inconel valves.  :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 28, 2010, 06:51:23 PM
John,
Are the inconel valves hollow? or sodium filled? They are probably Inconel 625 which at 1000 deg F is stronger than chrome moly at room temp!! Great stuff.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 28, 2010, 07:33:45 PM
Attention, attention:  This thread -- the build of the Langlo's car -- is nearing a milestone.  It's less than 700 hits away from the magic 100,000 views level.  Who'll be the Forum member that puts it over that mark?  Let's pay attention, hey?  It's a worthy landmark - showing our fascination with the progress of this superb car. 

Best wishes -- and keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 28, 2010, 08:03:30 PM
It's also approaching 1000 replies.  Who'll be the Forum member that puts it over that mark?

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on March 28, 2010, 08:22:03 PM
Add one more
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 28, 2010, 11:07:11 PM
John,
Are the inconel valves hollow? or sodium filled? They are probably Inconel 625 which at 1000 deg F is stronger than chrome moly at room temp!! Great stuff.

Rex
 
  Hi Rex...Troy was referring to how heavy they are and no their solid , not filled with anything, but I've got an old WW2 Radial cyl head that does and its a hemi also.
 From what I understand inconel was developed for these old WW2 engines.

                          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 29, 2010, 11:27:38 AM
John,
Are the inconel valves hollow? or sodium filled? They are probably Inconel 625 which at 1000 deg F is stronger than chrome moly at room temp!! Great stuff.

Rex
 
  Hi Rex...Troy was referring to how heavy they are and no their solid , not filled with anything, but I've got an old WW2 Radial cyl head that does and its a hemi also.
 From what I understand inconel was developed for these old WW2 engines.

                          JL222

I thought the price of the inconel valves would be close to the titanium, man was I wrong.  Titanium are much more pricey. :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 29, 2010, 07:12:36 PM
Every few pages I will put these videos up so they are easy to find if interested. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on March 29, 2010, 10:24:37 PM
thanks for vid.
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on March 30, 2010, 09:04:37 AM
You'll be happy with the Victory valves. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 30, 2010, 03:56:56 PM

  Water injection system ordered from Alcohol Injection Systems and on the way shortly. 2 -250PSI pumps to maintain atomization 1 big jet before supercharger and 4 small ones after intercooler. 3 gallon tank which we hope to fit above the wheel tubs and behind driver seat.

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on March 30, 2010, 08:53:55 PM
Take a before and after picture of the impeller vanes. Sounds interesting . . .I would like to see what they look like.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 30, 2010, 10:20:20 PM
Take a before and after picture of the impeller vanes. Sounds interesting . . .I would like to see what they look like.

  If your talking about erosion of the supercharger impeller vanes they say its not a problem on belt driven centrifugals as the speed is slower than turbos and i've never had a problem in the past even though we didn't mist the injection as much as these newer styles.
 We didn't talk to much about turbos but he did about injecting water between stages of diesel  pullers, which the tractor pullers have been doing for over 20 years that I know of.
 One reason I went with this company is they recommend imjecting before the supercharger which removes a lot of temperature were as other companys recomend after the intercooler.
                            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on March 30, 2010, 11:15:15 PM
Good point about the rpm difference, JL.  I am assuming about 50% less. (120K rpm  vs. 60k rpm) give or take a few rpm. Like I said this is interesting. Are you going to EM in May?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 31, 2010, 12:39:23 AM
Good point about the rpm difference, JL.  I am assuming about 50% less. (120K rpm  vs. 60k rpm) give or take a few rpm. Like I said this is interesting. Are you going to EM in May?

  Planing on El Mirage in May all parts for engine are in and hope to start assembling block Sat.

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on March 31, 2010, 12:49:27 AM
Great! "Live" has just gotta be better than see it on U-Tube.  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2010, 11:08:30 AM
Looks like it will dry up enough here to get the block BB honed and cleaned up outside.  Then work on assembly inside.  Would be great to get the block assemble on sat.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2010, 12:02:54 PM
Ding, Ding, Ding... I got the 100,000th hit. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on March 31, 2010, 02:08:23 PM
Congrats!! Maybe Jon will give you a bumper sticker :evil: :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 31, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
Yeah, okay, whatever -- give me a PM with your mailing address and I'll send you a bumper sticker.  Thanks. Thunder -- for not telling him that I'd send Nancy over to pose for a photo opportunity. :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on March 31, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
Jon, you've got to quit sharing Nancy like that!!  You'll wear the poor girl out posing with all those guys!   :-D

Lynda
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on March 31, 2010, 03:28:50 PM
Lynda,

I ain't sure but I think Jon thinks Nancy's fine art work only looks good posed next to race bikes (and YES it does) but what he has over looked is the fact that having her pose with my Cars would be even better !!!!   :evil: :evil: :cheers:

Charles

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 31, 2010, 03:34:19 PM
Charles -- have a camera with you next weekend.  Even though you'll ONLY have the Vickie -- Nancy can look good against the black background (my opinion is that she looks good against any background).  If it's sunny -- maybe we can take a super-duper photo to use when you take the car to shows.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on March 31, 2010, 03:40:05 PM
Jon,  you have a deal,,,, now let's hope for bright Carolina Blue Sky's and 72 degrees and a 5mph tail wind/breeze to keep the flying critters away.

See ya next Friday

Charles
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2010, 08:52:32 PM
    You guys have fun at the races....  Here is a video that shows our 268mph 1/4 and 285mph mile time.  As you may notice the sound is terrible(sorry)also you will see our blower pipe separate via the hood poping up.  There is 2-3 seconds of coasting before the mile marker.  Wonder what the time could have been if we were able to excelerate thru the three?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFANJvXAQqU
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on March 31, 2010, 11:28:58 PM
Troy  I bet that scared the hell out of you when it blew off did it??  A little bird told me today the lake bed is in really nice shape.  going to make may meet??
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2010, 11:34:14 PM
Troy  I bet that scared the hell out of you when it blew off did it??  A little bird told me today the lake bed is in really nice shape.  going to make may meet??

I wish I was driving, but my dad was.  I usually drive at El mirage.  If things go well at bonneville then I may drive there as well.  We are definately going to make the may meet.  Engine assembly should start Saturday. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on April 01, 2010, 09:32:34 AM
I sure hope to be there to see you STAND on it!!!!!!! :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 01, 2010, 12:39:22 PM
Troy  I bet that scared the hell out of you when it blew off did it??  A little bird told me today the lake bed is in really nice shape.  going to make may meet??

   Hi Mike... It got my attention for sure but nothing scary as the car was not a bit upset, more like auw sh...t

                  JL222

                       
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 01, 2010, 04:21:19 PM
Looks like were not going to make the may meet. :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on April 01, 2010, 06:22:11 PM
problems  :?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 01, 2010, 09:44:27 PM
Looks like were not going to make the may meet. :evil:

  WHAT!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 01, 2010, 11:16:29 PM
Since the day is almost over on the east I just wanted to say April Fools. :evil:  We will do everything we can to make sure we make the May meet.  I just hope that I didn't jinx our effort by playing a little prank on some. :-D  Thanks for putting up with my silly antics.  :cheers:


                                                     Troy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on April 02, 2010, 01:19:28 AM
bvillercr


You need a hickory switch taken to your backside!! :x

Other than that...pretty good joke!  :cheers:

Lynda
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on April 02, 2010, 10:13:40 AM
you bummed me out, good one , let see if you pass tech in may :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on April 02, 2010, 10:42:47 AM
I dont even go to El Mirage and I was let down!! :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: theazoldcrow on April 02, 2010, 10:45:27 AM
 :-D  O.K.!  Ya got me also Troy.  See you at Elmo.     Crow.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on April 02, 2010, 12:43:40 PM
MAN what a dirty trick  :x ---just to show just how out of touch my sr mind :oops:  is with reality  :oops: ---but then I never did know what day it was with out looking at the top of the newpaper   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 02, 2010, 01:20:41 PM
MAN what a dirty trick  :x ---just to show just how out of touch my sr mind :oops:  is with reality  :oops: ---but then I never did know what day it was with out looking at the top of the newpaper   :cheers:

  Add another senior mind to the list Sparky, Bville :evil: got me too

    JL222 :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on April 02, 2010, 02:04:28 PM
I'm thinking there just might have to be some serious repercussions from that joke...see you at Land's End bvllercr   :evil:

Lynda
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on April 02, 2010, 02:12:15 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 02, 2010, 02:31:45 PM
I don't mind a little spanking. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on April 02, 2010, 02:33:52 PM
you wish.  I do believe it's going to be something more severe and less euphoric than a spanking.

Lynda
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on April 02, 2010, 03:03:26 PM
LOL!  999 replies!

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on April 02, 2010, 03:10:15 PM
WooHoo!!  I get to be reply 1000!!!

Lynda
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 02, 2010, 07:24:28 PM
Ok, no more messin around.  We get back on track tomorrow.  Would be great to get the crank and pistons in before easter sunday. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 02, 2010, 07:54:16 PM
Ok, no more messin around.  We get back on track tomorrow.  Would be great to get the crank and pistons in before easter sunday. :cheers:

  Got a lot of ring fileing to do couldn't get the electric one have to use our hand crank :cry:


       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 02, 2010, 08:26:08 PM
WooHoo!!  I get to be reply 1000!!!

Lynda

  Wow 100,000 hits and 1000 replys within 3 days of each other :-o

           JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on April 02, 2010, 08:38:46 PM
What is the difference in ring-gap between this motor and the AA motor?  What kind of rings?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 02, 2010, 09:44:18 PM
What is the difference in ring-gap between this motor and the AA motor?  What kind of rings?

  AKERLY & CHILDS  rings with a dykes type moly ring for the top.

  Ring-gap has changed a lot since the AA motor was assembled a lot more gap
 Supercharged fuel / gas
  Top ring .oo8 per inch of bore
  Second ring .0065 per inch of bore
  Oil ring rails  .015  to  .035
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on April 03, 2010, 01:39:22 AM
Thanks, JL . .  .that is exactly what I was interested in.  :-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 04, 2010, 12:56:14 PM
Yesterday we got the block completely cleaned up, checked clearances on the main bearings and then installed the crank.  We put the cam in(not timed yet), the harmonic balancer, the front plate, and the timing senson on.  We could not find our ring gapper(grinder) so we could not put the pistons in or time the cam.  We need to order a new ring grinder and once we get it then the pistons will be put in.  Anyone know where to buy an electric one?  We also spoke with Scotty Owens who built our trannies and he is looking to see if he has taller gears for our overdrive.  That's it for now, Happy Easter everyone.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Hblock.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on April 04, 2010, 01:02:22 PM
It's just as well that you are two blocked anyhow.

This way you won't be thrashing when you should be doing the Easter Egg hunt.

Happy Easter.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 04, 2010, 01:04:38 PM
   We got the block bb honed and all cleaned up, checked clearance on new main bearings and installed crank -cam- front cover-harmonic balancer with blower drive and magnetic pickup holder. Then turned the shop upside down looking for ring grinder :x Guess I'll have to buy a new one for it to show up.

              JL222

  It said 2 replys had been posted while I was typing, should have checked :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DSR88 on April 04, 2010, 01:30:52 PM
That's not funny but I can relate,Buy a real nice ring file so when you find the old one you won't feel so bad.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on April 04, 2010, 03:17:07 PM
This ring grinder is no longer made but I can't live without it!

Don't get one that is battery powered!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on April 04, 2010, 06:49:24 PM
That is a nice one. First one I have seen with a mic on it which allows you to cut a known amount. All the others you are "flying blind" when you make a cut. For that reason (and because I only do 1 or 2 engines per year) I just put a file in the vice and draw file them. Takes all day though!  :-(
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 10, 2010, 02:56:37 PM

  Found the ring grinder and we got a couple of pistons in yesterday after getting all set up. More filing this afternoon.


            JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 16, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
All of the slugs will be in today. :-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 17, 2010, 11:07:38 AM
We did get all of the rest of the pistons put in yesterday, we had to do a little work on some of the pistons but all is good.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/8slugs.jpg)

We also tried to find a convienient spot to put our new water injection unit, well there is no easy spot in this car anymore.  The unit will go behind the driver between the funny car cage and the wheel tub.  Here is a couple pictures of the unit.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/waterinjtank.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/pump.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 19, 2010, 11:38:21 AM
Things are coming along a little slow, but we are getting there. 


A picture of setting the cam timing.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/timing.jpg)

Engine is all timed and cover and fuel pump installed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/shtblk.jpg)

One head is complete, the other will be finished sometime this week.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/1head.jpg)

 The second head will be assembled in the next few days and the engine should be completed this weekend and put in the car.  Lots of things to do, it's crunch time again. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 25, 2010, 10:01:48 PM
Had a bit of a set back on Friday, we were preparing the heads to go on the block and as I set one in place(with silicone and gasket on) I noticed we were missing the studs that go in the head. :evil:  So my dad called down to the head shop to see if they still had them(we didn't take them out, we thought), he said he didn't.  So I went down there to see if maybe he had found them and no luck.  He did have some short chevy studs that were the same length so I took them(only 4 and I need 8 )  So I had to search for more, I found some that were slightly shorter so we used them. :?  

So after torqueing these suckers down I was sweatin.


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/torq.jpg)

We got the manifold all cleaned up and installed too.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/longblock.jpg)

We found out that we are missing the studs for the valve covers???  We didn't take those out either, hummmm, looks like another phone call to come. :roll:  So hopefully the local hardware store has some that we can get, we only need about 13. :evil:  So as always in a race year we are a little behind for the May meet.  Lots of late night ahead. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on April 26, 2010, 12:30:05 AM
looks like your going to Elmo in May?   :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 26, 2010, 02:33:30 AM
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/1head.jpg)

Now, I'm figurin' you've got those valves so if something goes missing, like those studs, you can stick your whole head in just to check that they ain't in the cylinders.. :-D :-o :-o...they're massive!....everything about that motor is big and brutal.... Buy some more studs, the more you spend on them the quicker the old ones will turn up and of course the better condition they'll be in .......

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/torq.jpg)

white walls, white shirt...you guys know how to keep a clean shop....our's is more like a coal mine than a kitchen..... and I don't , for obvious reasons , wear a hat like that when I'm wrenchin'.......

I hope it all goes smoothly from here for yers, always inspiring to watch. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 26, 2010, 02:39:40 PM
Since my dad had to come into town today he stopped by the head shop and ask our guy if he had seen our studs yet, because we were missing our valve studs also.  Low and behold he found all of our head studs and valve cover studs. :evil: :evil:  I guess that's a relief?  If it rains here tomorrow we will be installing the clutch and bellhousing and maybe even put the engine in the car.  It's crunch time. :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 26, 2010, 09:36:03 PM
 
  Thanks Doc...those white walls behind the table are 4' x 8' pieces of foam insulation on the roll up door. The sun beats right on the door and in the summer it gets unbelievably hot behind the insulation.

                           JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 26, 2010, 09:49:57 PM
looks like your going to Elmo in May?   :wink:

  Yea Mike, should make it just bolting things back in except some fab work on water injection.
  Hate to miss a newly flooded El Mirage.


                      JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on April 26, 2010, 10:30:08 PM
cool cant wait. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on April 27, 2010, 12:10:17 AM
I was in Palm Springs last week. Thursday morning there was fresh snow on the low hills.

In town the low temp was 50F and the high was 61.

Better bring a pair of tire chains with you.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 28, 2010, 10:57:57 AM
Since we had the engine and trans out, we needed to do a lot of cleaning from a couple years of salt on the parts.  Here is a picture of our clutch disassembled.  The clutch was a different color before the wire brush. :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clutch.jpg)

This is a picture of our spring, it show the adjustability of the clutch system.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clutthspring.jpg)

We also had to some minor grinding on the valve covers, had some contact with our rockers. :-o  Anyway hope to have the clutch and bellhousing on today and maybe the engine in the car on Friday. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 29, 2010, 11:28:13 AM
Things are starting to come along.  Just one hicup yesterday with our starter, seems it froze up on us.  Luckily we had a new one in a box almost ready to go.  We just need to drill a roll pin hole in it so it doesn't move.  We did get the clutch and bellhousing on yesterday.

Here is our three disc clutch system.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/disc.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clutch1.jpg)

Newly cleaned and painted bellhousing.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/can.jpg)

We should have the engine, blower system and maybe the gas tank in on Friday.  Maybe this is a sign of good things to come. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bow.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on April 29, 2010, 05:31:45 PM
thanks for the up dates
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 01, 2010, 11:26:59 AM
Yesterday we had some problems with our starter but got it and the engine installled.  Today should be a productive day. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/engine1.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 02, 2010, 03:02:57 AM
Yesterday we got a lot accomplished. :cheers:  We got all of the oil lines hooked up, the blower, and gas tank installed, the engine and inter-cooler tanks put in, one header and all of the water lines hooked up.  Here's a picture of our water systems.  The engine tank is under the inter-cooler tank shown.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tanks.jpg)

And a picture of our blower system and gas tank installed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/blower1.jpg)

Today we should finish getting the fuel line hooked up, the air intake, the transmissions and the other header installed.  Things to finish includes the new water injection, fixing the hood from blow off, welding two blower connector braces, and getting it on the dyno.  Things are looking better. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 02, 2010, 08:43:22 PM
We are getting closer, but still have plenty to do.  Today we got all the fuel lines, distributor and wires, air intake, right side header, and 2 of 3 transmissions installed.  Then we tried turning it over and the batteries were dead, we had extras so those were swapped out.  We also had to get our blower tubes ready for welding, so grind away I did.  So now we have to weld up our blower braces, check and tighten our overdrive unit, fix our hood and fabricate and set up our water injection system.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tranny2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/enginecomplete.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 02, 2010, 10:51:49 PM
REMARKABLE.....Thanks for letting us watch.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on May 02, 2010, 11:27:24 PM
 8-) SOME CAR 8-)---every time I study it---I am awe struck!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 03, 2010, 12:53:46 PM
Hey Troy,

Enjoy your thread but your videos could use some help.. Not trying to be a jerk, but this product is cheap and works great.

http://www.goprocamera.com/products

I mentioned this to you, last time we chatted at the pizza joint..

We use it on drag boats.  The wind noise is muted and you still get to enjoy the engine sounds.  The wide angle  view is killer..  We mount one forward and one back ward.. Bad Acura..

Here's a sample from a K boat.. (it's a blown alcohol roundy-round boat).  Takes about a minute to get it warmed up, but it's a real good example of the quality.. You'll see one of the cameras suctioned to the nose of the boat in one of the angles..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb69AWD8geE&feature=player_embedded

Best $300 you'll spend this year IMO...   Mostly because, I'll be able to see your car run a little more clearly.....

Selfish interest!  :-D


Neil

  Ok Niel, just ordered a GoPro video camera, thanks for the info, looks like a great little camera.


                       JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on May 03, 2010, 08:53:16 PM
Great work!!! Can't wait to see/hear it run at Elmo!!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on May 03, 2010, 09:30:50 PM
Great work!!! Can't wait to see/hear it run at Elmo!!   :cheers:

Yeah, what he said.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 04, 2010, 12:19:37 AM
We hope we can put up a decent number this time around. :-)  I need to try to keep my first run a little tame and ease off the throttle a bit before I shift, hopefully the track will take it this time. :cheers:  If we get a second run I'll be after it for sure. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 04, 2010, 10:38:07 AM
Looks like our new transmission gears are not ready yet, so we will have to wait for Bonneville to run them.  More updates soon. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 04, 2010, 01:13:03 PM
Troy,

What are the gear ratio's in the transmission? What is the ratio in the Gear Vendor? What is the ratio in your rear end? What is your red line for the motor?

Thanks,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 04, 2010, 02:20:42 PM
Troy,

What are the gear ratio's in the transmission? What is the ratio in the Gear Vendor? What is the ratio in your rear end? What is your red line for the motor?

Thanks,

Tom G.

 Hi Tom

 I'll answer for Troy as he out of town today. We now have an overdrive built by Owens transmissions 26% over and 2.5 rear gears
1.85 overall. I don't like to run over 7250 for very long [but I might for a short while :-D]. We never have said anything about how fast
we might go but I just did in [ballast equations] my Bonneville Pro computer program says 341 mph at 7500 or 329 at 7250
 We want to install a 30% over drive which will give us 1.75 overall and calm the car down in the lower gears.
 This results in 7100 at 341 and 6840 at 329


     JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 04, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
Hi John,

Thanks. What is your gear split in the trans 1.44 and 1.28? What was you max HP and TQ and at what RPM? And was that at sea level or ?

Thanks again,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 04, 2010, 04:05:59 PM

  Tom...trans split is 45%-35% and 25% torque was 1900 + can't find dyno sheet but hp was 2093 at 5900 when they shut
the engine down because of lean conditions, this was at 28.5 lbs boost on a chassis dyno and a very warm night at least 80 deg, Fresno is about 750 ft elv. We then switched to EFI and got up to 31.5 lbs at 6800 but the engine vibrates the room so much the electric connector came loose and it broke the neon lights. So they estimated 2300 rear wheel, at Bville
we were getting 36lbs boost :-D.
 Sounds like your putting this info into a computer program if so 29 in tires.
 Now I've got to fix a flat on my lawn tractor and go mow the winter weeds [3 hrs late] :roll:

                      JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 06, 2010, 10:14:27 AM
Yesterday we took apart the overdrive unit to inspect and tighten the shaft housing.  We found that there is a needle bearing that needs to be replaced and a hardened shim.  We got the needle bearing from Scott Owens last night (he was in town) and need to pick up the shim today.  I did a lot of maintenence on the drive shaft, and tunnel cover (rust grows fast).  We welded up our tube braces that broke last year,we also got the water injection unit mocked up and close to install.  Friday we should have the car assembled with all of the water injection lines installed.  Ill keep updating when I can. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 09, 2010, 01:07:21 AM
We are getting closer by the day.  Yesterday we got the water injection tank completely mounted, all we have to do it wire it and run water lines to the pipe and blower. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/injection.jpg)

We also go the overdrive unit back together, after a lot of filing where a thrust washer got welded into place because of a little too much heat. :evil:  The trans blankets are on as well.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/blankets.jpg)

I also got everything buttoned up, the fire extinguishers hooked up and the fuel shut off and chute bracket attached.  I used almost a whole tube of silicone in an attempt to seal the dust from getting through the tunnel cover. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cover-1.jpg)

Things we need to do next is drill and tap one blower tube, for water injection.  Wire the water injection, and fix the fiber glass on the front end.  We should be on the dyno Tuesday afternoon. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on May 09, 2010, 09:24:26 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 11, 2010, 09:49:34 AM
We finished up a few things last night, after a late start. :-(  We completed all of the water lines going into the blower pipe.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a1.jpg)

Here is a picture of our blower pipe installed with the feed line coming up from the bottom.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a2.jpg)

The engine compartment is now complete.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a3.jpg)

Today we need to pack the chute, fill all water tanks, load the car into the trailer and take it down to Precision Auto and dyno tuning.  At the shop we will wire all of the water injection, phase in our fast unit, secure the car on the dyno and if everything goes perfect maybe even start it.   :cheers:  We are still behind where we want to be, but hopefully we will be done on the dyno early on Wednesday to get loaded completely by early Thursday.  We need a little luck so we don't have to thrash so hard. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 12, 2010, 11:08:48 PM
Water injection wiring is complete getting ready to fire soon. :lol:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 13, 2010, 12:03:42 AM
Having problems with our fuel primer.  Looks like our primer pump went out and we can't spin the motor fast enough to prime with our fuel pump, but were still tryin. :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 13, 2010, 01:56:30 AM
It lives, were still doing some pre tuning.  Tomorrow or friday will be a dyno day.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 13, 2010, 10:32:42 AM
friday dyno, tech starts on Fri  you guys are  killing me :|
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 13, 2010, 01:13:20 PM
Mike that was a hint:

In the last few months a family member has become ill with an intense and undiagnosed pain. It comes and goes every other week, so some weeks are great and some are not so great.  We could have the car ready tonight but we can't leave this person alone in the current health condition.  So unfortunately we will not be making this may meet. :evil:  so instead we are looking at the June meet, it's been a long time since we have been to a one day meet, I hope the track is good this weekend for all and for us in June.  I will still keep updating as we progress.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on May 13, 2010, 02:11:00 PM
Our thoughts and prayers are with your family.

I really appreciate the updates and the application of engineering on your car!  Thanks for taking the time to keep us posted.

Geo
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 13, 2010, 09:07:26 PM
Geo thanks, we go some good news today.  It's not cancer, but it could be Rhumatoid arthritis which can be very painful and cause swelling.

On a lighter note we have the car on the dyno and are going to tune it later tonight. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 13, 2010, 10:22:36 PM
Troy and John,

Glad to hear it was not the big "C". If it is RA get the best doctor you can find to try and get it under control. My heart goes out to your family member, and I will keep them in my prayers.

When you get the dyno results if you don't want to post them, send me a PM and I will see what I can come up with speed wise. I need the whole sheet both torque and HP.

Tom G.

PS. You both will be missed at El Mirage this weekend.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on May 13, 2010, 10:55:53 PM
Troy and John:

If it's RA get a good rheumatoid specialist. It can be beaten.

In 2002 / 2003 I had RA badly enough that I walked with 2 canes, I couldn't step the length of my foot and I couldn't lift my arms to the side more than about 6 or 8 inches. With good drugs and physiotherapy, both of which I got off about 4 years ago, I now lead a pretty normal life with little pain and unless you knew about my past you wouldn't know I've been through it.

Every time I start to feel a little limited or a little sore I think back to those times. I smile to myself and think how great it is to be alive and able to really enjoy life again.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 14, 2010, 12:14:47 AM
Troy and John:

Rheumatoid arthritis is a bad animal. My son-in-law is a big strappin' fellow that can work bent over all day and keep on peckin'.

He went thru the same problem. It took several doctors before he found a specialist that gave him any relief.

He is back to supporting his family but it has been a struggle and w/o the insurance that he had, he wouldn't have

made it. Medication at the rate of $3000 per month.

Keep looking and you will find someone that can give the needed care.

Love Ya,

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 14, 2010, 03:41:22 PM
  Thanks everybody :-) The family member is my wife Linda, she has been through a lot this past year with a lung lobe removal due to cancer, which so far test show she has beaten. This latest problem was first diagnosed as shingles but now its not acting like shingles. so more testing is being done. Linda amazes me with her non complaining with all the pain and problems she has and I'm blessed to be married to her.

                         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: gearheadeh on May 14, 2010, 04:17:48 PM
 Thanks everybody :-) The family member is my wife Linda, she has been through a lot this past year with a lung lobe removal due to cancer, which so far test show she has beaten. This latest problem was first diagnosed as shingles but now its not acting like shingles. so more testing is being done. Linda amazes me with her non complaining with all the pain and problems she has and I'm blessed to be married to her.

                         JL222

Hope this works out well, Best wishes.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 14, 2010, 08:41:41 PM
On a lighter note, the refreshed engine sounds great.  More dyno time on Monday, no numbers yet.  Still getting a base map set. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 15, 2010, 02:58:52 PM

  Ordered 2 EFI pumps [ 1 spare one] from Summit thrusday and they arrived fri at 5 pm. Low buck ones because we just use it to prime system. Dyno testing put off to monday as there is no El Mirage rush now.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on May 15, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
That is to be one of my projects this year.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on May 16, 2010, 09:49:12 AM
John, I hope your wife gets better, those Harts are a tough breed....
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 16, 2010, 02:01:33 PM
John, I hope your wife gets better, those Harts are a tough breed....

  You got that right Gary :cheers:

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2010, 10:50:55 AM
You learn a lot with a dyno.... :-o  Yesterday we were warming up the car on the dyno and discovered that there may be a possible vacuum leak somewhere, so we shut it down and looked.  We tightened the manifold and restarted the engine and proceeded the dyno work.  The throttle would go up to a certain RPM and not back down until you physically shut the butterfly, so we shut her down again to take a look.  As it turns out we had a loose butterfly screw, so we thought.  As we took apart the butterfly we discover the butterfly shaft was broken.  So we would not have made the May meet anyway. :evil:  Today we will contact Wilson and try to get a free bee shaft from them.


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/butterfly.jpg)

One of our tuners Justin Coffman messing around with our Wilson elbow.  Yeah it's big. :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/elbow.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on May 18, 2010, 12:29:21 PM
SH*T happends, doesn't it Troy? There are so many little things that can go wrong.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 18, 2010, 12:57:32 PM
Troy,

With the boost and velocity you are putting through that butterfly, I would ask them if they make an oversized shaft, or if they could make one for you. I would hate to see the same thing happen at Bonneville on a return run.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
Wilsons is currently trying to redesign a bigger shaft, but are having some binding issues.  They said anytime the boost gets over 35lbs the shaft can become weak.  They are sending us two. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: joea on May 19, 2010, 09:57:27 AM
different material..?..

maybe an application to try some different heat
treating and or cryo..?..

did you find the screw..?

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 19, 2010, 11:02:09 AM
Joe, we were lucky enough to catch the break in time while on the dyno.  We didn't get far on the dyno before we new something was wrong.  The screw was still attached to the shaft when we took the throttle body apart. :cheers:

Yesterday was mostly cosmetic.  We took the car off the dyno so other vehicles could be tuned.  I changed out both window seals at the bottom, they truely needed it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/window.jpg)

Having the car down at the shop gets some needed attention from many who frequent Precision Auto.  Here is Jay who does polishing for a living, working on our car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/polish.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 19, 2010, 02:53:58 PM

  Wilson Manifolds use red locktite and peen the screw to make sure it never comes out. The shaft broke right at the middle of one screw and that was the only one that was reusable,one pulled the shaft material with it the other we had to grind out.

                    JL222
                           
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 20, 2010, 06:30:54 PM
Just when we were getting on a roll we come to a complete stop.  Waiting on parts sucks, but if we get them tomorrow we will be working on the car tomorrow. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 21, 2010, 10:17:28 PM
 received out parts late this afternoon, no chance to work on the car.  We will get at it on Monday. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 26, 2010, 11:51:13 AM
     We got the intake put back together yesterday, a little door panel riveting left to do and maybe some dyno work tonight.  We will have the dyno work completed by friday for sure. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 27, 2010, 11:58:15 AM
    Did I say for sure?????....

Well my dad sprung a surprise on us, he decided to purchase an EGT system.  I'll let him explain what the package is....  Looks like we may be pushing our time line again to be ready for the June meet. :-o  So since we have the car down at Precision Auto and Dyno Tuning ( a little plug for them ), we put it on the rack to check out the bottom of the car and see if we could find any leaky holes that might let some El Mirage dust into the car.  We found some areas of consern and will fix those while we wait for the EGT system to arrive.  Once we get the system installed we will have a much better tune than prior. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/lift.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on May 27, 2010, 01:57:56 PM
WAY to go guys!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 27, 2010, 03:05:56 PM
EGT........a marvelous Insurance Policy.

Good Job, DAD.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 27, 2010, 03:48:53 PM
 Just ordered system from MotorSports Innovations .com  :cheers:

  Innovate DL-32 [ data logger unit]

  G-kit

Map sensor
2 axis g meter
engine rpm
4 pressure sensors
8 EGT's
1 wheel speed sensor kit
3 liquid/air temperature sensors

various connector boxes and extension cables $1842

  This will enable us to record a lot of STUFF like air temp and pressure before and after intercooler and temp of water before and after intercooler,and the main thing 8 EGT temps.
 Now all we have to do is hook it all up :-P
 We better put the car on dyno now as it will be to close to EL Mirage by the time the unit gets delivered and installed.


                      JL222

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 27, 2010, 03:59:06 PM
Absolutely Magnificent.

Go for it..........

Just make certain that there is a fool proof method when you download. Have a power supply that no one

can interupt and u lose your data. That happened to Marlo on a run that was a disaster and the download was killed when

a guest decided to charge his electric wheel chair. He pulled the plug on the data.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 27, 2010, 04:35:37 PM
A small UPS (uninterruptible power supply) is cheap insurance.  Plug the UPS into the AC source -- and the computer or whatever else needs the 110 VAC into the UPS -- and then you're safe from the wheelchair-bound electricity thieves.  We use UPS's most everyplace -- much less drama that way.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on May 27, 2010, 05:00:52 PM
If you need any help/tech support, or problems the Innovate tech support is great, I have always talked to Felipe.

  Fred
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 27, 2010, 11:14:08 PM
Our tuners are pretty excited about the new system as well.  In the next few days we will continue to do needed cosmetic fixes until the new unit gets here.  After El Mirage we will be making new zoomies for Bonneville.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 30, 2010, 07:55:31 PM
Hopefully we have a productive week ahead of us, but for now I want to wish my friends and family those in and out of the military a happy Memorial day. :cheers: 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 31, 2010, 11:29:21 PM
I was so focused on working on the car tomorrow that when my wife asked if I could take our daughter to Hula practice I said no I'm working on the car.  Her quick reply was your workng on the car on my birthday!   :|. Uh... No you just caught me off guard with the hula question...  So on Wednesday I will be able to work on the car again. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on June 01, 2010, 11:50:34 AM
Troy, never never forget your anniversary or your wife's Birthday.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 01, 2010, 09:33:27 PM
I didn't really forget;  I was in car mode, we only have 10 days to get it ready and loaded. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on June 02, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
Now you have 9 days.........

HBD

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 02, 2010, 09:06:59 PM
This should be my last early evening.  Today I took off both rear tires and both brake calipers.  The calipers have never been cleaned since it's installation, we took them off and half of the calipers were working.  So I was able to get one completed and the other apart.  My dad worked on cutting some rotting tin from the drivers side rear right behind the tire.  We did get our new data logger, and tomorrow we will be working on it and completing what we can before the weekend.  It will be a long day tomorrow. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 03, 2010, 10:34:14 AM
We had a lot of trouble getting one of four of the calipers out.  We tried using a screw driver to rotate the caliper but that only scared the outside surface, so I came up with the idea of tack welding a bolt to the bottom of the caliper and using a 9/16 wrench to turn it out.  Hey, it worked!  Pheeeww, that's where I had to stop yesterday because of my daughters musical performance.  School is over sooooooon!  I'll post pictures later tonight or tomorrow. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 04, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Here is that picture of how we got the caliper out of its home.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/brake.jpg)

Since the car is up on the hoist, we decided to go through the rear end.  Looks like we need to replace the bearings and replace the fluids. :-D  A before and after shot of the shafts.  Our wire wheel wore out so the dirty shaft will be cleaned today.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/axle.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on June 04, 2010, 09:37:58 PM
What,  :-o you are going to forego the challenge and excitement of 300 mph asymmetrical braking  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 05, 2010, 12:49:43 AM
We are done working on the car until Tuesday, our tuners are heading down south for a biker memorial and the car is in their shop.  We did get a few things completed today.  Here is a photo shot of the under side of our battery box, it contains our ballast.  After years of salt hitting the tubbed section it was time to change it out.  

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/box.jpg)

We got a new piece cut and fitted.  We painted the underside of the panel, siliconed the edges and seams so we won't get any El Mirage dust in the back(hopefully). :-D


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/box1.jpg)


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/box2.jpg)

We will paint the panel to match the rest and then get the brake assembly back on and the tires and then proceed to get the EGT system on the car and then some dyno runs. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 06, 2010, 01:24:45 PM
     We have decided that we don't like to pull all nighters anymore, so we will not be making the June meet.  I can't believe how cool the forcast looks, but we will concentrate on "Getting ready for Bonneville".  We have done a lot of needed maintenence on the car and will start gettting all of the new stuff put together tuesday or wednesday of next week.  Once we get the car tuned then we will pull the headers and make new ones for Bonneville.  I will keep this diary and those interested up to date.  We will try to make the November El Mirage. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 06, 2010, 02:34:09 PM
Troy & John,

Sorry to hear you won't be running this next Sunday. Was looking forward to seeing you. Take your time and get the car together the way you want it. Bonneville is closer than most think. LOL.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 06, 2010, 10:28:12 PM
Once we get the EGTs installed the car will tuned without the water injection and then retuned with it.  We want to know how the water changes the set up, could take a couple days or a really long night. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Boostedballs on June 07, 2010, 04:59:45 AM
That car is looking amazing! I would only change one thing...move the water nozzles to the compressor DISCHARGE. The compressor housing will sling the water to the walls and condensate. It will also give more mass to excellerate, making the compressor less efficient. You might even see EGTs drop by moving it downstream of the blower.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 07, 2010, 12:20:59 PM
That car is looking amazing! I would only change one thing...move the water nozzles to the compressor DISCHARGE. The compressor housing will sling the water to the walls and condensate. It will also give more mass to excellerate, making the compressor less efficient. You might even see EGTs drop by moving it downstream of the blower.  :cheers:

   Thanks....we have run 36lbs of boost at Bville which is more like 38 lbs because you start out with less atm psi, thats close to 400 deg on a 90 deg day with 75% compressor efficiency. the water will evaporate at 400 deg + cool the blower. Any drop in inlet temp will result in less egts.
    The owner of Alcohol Injection Systems has also seen an increase in boost in his blown mustang drag car of 11/2 lbs [at 15 lbs boost ]from injecting into the intake which he believes might be from making a better seal. All the WW2 aero engines that used water injection injected into the intake.
   We are installing a new data recording system this week that will record blower temp and pressure before and after the intercooler
and after the water injection nozzels on the discharge pipe after the intercooler. Also installing 8 egts.
   Then we tune on the dyno with and without water injection, then we should have a lot more info.


                            JL222

                   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Boostedballs on June 08, 2010, 07:00:03 AM
Wow, 400F, that's some serious heat! I get scared when I see anything over 200F in my car. Mine would go into meltdown at that temp for sure.
The WWII aircraft did inject upstream of the blower but I think it's because they used boost pressure to move the water; also, less parts (like a pump) to break down over enemy ground.
Hot air means higher velocity through the compressor and less drag. The water injection will alter the flow map, that may be why the owner of AIS sees higher boost with it.

So you are spraying in the compressor and after the intercooler? It might be worthwhile to weld in some more bungs downstream of the intercooler and move the nozzles from the compressor inlet so you can have a good comparison. I really think you will have water condensating into larger droplets inside the intercooler if you don't. I know, 400F is way hot, but 38lbs is working against the ability to evaporate the water. Water boils at 212F at 14.7psi. You are at 50psi actual; which brings the boiling point of water to 350F. I know it's an H2O / methanol mix but the same theory applies. So, even at 400F, you need the smallest water droplets you can get. As the temp comes down, the evaporation rate is further reduced.
For instance, a drawthrough turbo system will use larger carb jetting than a comparable blowthrough system because the compressor de-atomizes the mix.

I can't wait to see the EGT results; I hope they are even across the 8 ports.

Keep it going, I'll be looking forward to seeing it run again soon!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 08, 2010, 02:18:21 PM
  Boostedballs...Don't worry our engine never sees that temp, that's why we have that big intercooler,air comes out at 60----140 deg and water injection after the intercooler is meant to get in on the compression stroke as the air is already cooled.
  I don't how you come up with 50 lbs but 400 deg at 38 lbs boost on a 90 deg day is over 75 % efficient [which is very good].
  The tractor pullers have been blowing your theory of non-evaporation at high boost for years, how about 250 lbs boost water injected at 3 gal min and no intercoolers.
  That's why WW2 aero engines used centrifugal super chargers...intercoolers and water injection.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 08, 2010, 03:39:58 PM
    I don't how you come up with 50 lbs but   400 deg at 38 lbs boost on a 90 deg day is over 75 % efficient [which is very good].

14.7 (seal level) plus 38 psi (your boost) = an absolute pressure of aproximately 50+ psi.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 08, 2010, 09:00:20 PM
The engine doesn't see absolute, actual is 38psi. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 08, 2010, 10:57:31 PM

  I guess the [absolute] :-) correct way to talk about boost is pressure ratio, atmosphere psi + boost divided by atmosphere psi

  sea level 14.7 + 36 divided by 14.7=3.45 pr.---  Bville on one of our time slips 25.72 inchs or 12.66 lbs
  
  12.66 +36 divided by 12.66=3.84 pr

  Its easier to just talk boost though :-D

         JL222

            

    
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 08, 2010, 11:43:09 PM
The engine doesn't see absolute, actual is 38psi. :cheers:

Are you sure?

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: willieworld on June 08, 2010, 11:56:34 PM
tom if you will be at el mirage i will bring you some parts                       willie buchta
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 09, 2010, 12:33:56 AM
The engine doesn't see absolute, actual is 38psi. :cheers:

Are you sure?

Tom G.

Well... Yes and no. :-D. All engines see that first atmosphere so yes it does count, but most don't include it when talking about how much pressure they are spinning into the boosted engine.  So I was incorrect in my wording......kinda. :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 09, 2010, 05:13:39 AM
I thought you converted to EFI. Your EFI fuel map includes MAP. (Manifold Absolute   Pressure). :-D  But I like your use of pressure ratio. It provides a quick comparision of how much heat is produced by adiabatic compression which your intercooler is taking care of.  :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on June 09, 2010, 11:18:50 AM
Ya gotta just love tunning to all those kPa's.....   :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 09, 2010, 12:24:32 PM
I thought you converted to EFI. Your EFI fuel map includes MAP. (Manifold Absolute   Pressure). :-D  But I like your use of pressure ratio. It provides a quick comparision of how much heat is produced by adiabatic compression which your intercooler is taking care of.  :wink:

  I have a chart showing boost from 2 ---100 lbs and different compressure efficiencys that i use, a friend of mine and I made up a program for my computer around 1992, I new the formula and she new how to put the formula into the computer, it was pretty cool
because I could change the temps and ambiant pressure and it would bring up the temp, but I lost the program when the new computer
wouldn't take the older style program.
 
  I'll see if Troy can take a foto of the charts and post it here.

                       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 09, 2010, 02:29:25 PM
I thought you converted to EFI. Your EFI fuel map includes MAP. (Manifold Absolute   Pressure). :-D  But I like your use of pressure ratio. It provides a quick comparision of how much heat is produced by adiabatic compression which your intercooler is taking care of.  :wink:

  I have a chart showing boost from 2 ---100 lbs and different compressure efficiencys that i use, a friend of mine and I made up a program for my computer around 1992, I new the formula and she new how to put the formula into the computer, it was pretty cool
because I could change the temps and ambiant pressure and it would bring up the temp, but I lost the program when the new computer
wouldn't take the older style program.
 
  I'll see if Troy can take a foto of the charts and post it here.

                       JL222


John,

You can just use this site for your calculations. IMO much easier than a chart. Just plug in your numbers and presto.

Tom G.


http://www.stealth316.com/2-turbotemp.htm
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 09, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
  

  That's really great Tom could you post that link under the supercharging post under [technical] I bumped it to the top
from pg 4 so you could find it.
  The best part is the numbers on my chart that I checked [ 14.7 atm.---30 lbs boost ---70 deg day and 75% efficiency
came up exactly :-o  331 deg
  Just put it on my favorites [THANKS]
              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 09, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
Hi John,

Your welcome. Thought you would like it.  I posted it in the other thread.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 10, 2010, 02:19:43 PM
We have gotten a few things finished. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a11.jpg)

We have the yoke/wheel sensor installed, just have to finish wiring and other data sensors.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a12.jpg)

We were getting ready to bleed the brakes when on of the bleeders broke while loosening. :evil:  So as I write they should be getting installed.  We will have the rubber put on and the car off the lift today.  We need to remove the header to change a couple bungs for the EGT sensors.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 10, 2010, 04:22:02 PM
Things have changed again, I met the crew for lunch(they are now eating) and got the news that the bleeders won't be in stock till next Friday.  Soooo they took the headers off and will be making new zoomies before we put it on the dyno.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 10, 2010, 09:23:25 PM
We were able to bleed the brake with the bleeders we had, got the rubber on and it's off the lift and put out of they way so we can start putting the data loggers in.  The header flanges and pipes will be ordered soon. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 11, 2010, 10:25:34 PM
We tried to order header flanges today.  JL222 sent in an e-mail with photos of our head bolt pattern and a photo of our headers.  He called back to see if they had any instock and their power was out.  We won't know anything until Monday, but if they don't have them I could take three weeks to get.  We could get them in town and laser cut in a few days, but would probably cost more.  Days seem to fly by so we will keep trucking on getting the new stuff finished. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 14, 2010, 10:53:57 PM
The header shop was closed today so we have to wait until tomorrow to call and see if they have what we need in stock.  In the mean time we got some sensors installed minus the wiring.

We put in an oil pressure sensor, we have a gauge but with this we can check if the oil pressure goes down during the entire run.  It's hard to look at the gauge while at speed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/aa3.jpg)

This is an additional boost pressure sensor on the bottom and a temperature sensor on top.  The temp. sensor will give actual air temp. going into the engine, about three feet past the temp. sensor at the intercooler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/aa2.jpg)

The front temp. sensor measures the intercooler water going in and the back measure the water temp. going out.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/aa1.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 15, 2010, 02:30:03 AM
You are collecting a lot of good data. I forgot . . . what was the name of your data logger?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 15, 2010, 10:26:19 AM
You are collecting a lot of good data. I forgot . . . what was the name of your data logger?

 Innovate DL-32

 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 15, 2010, 01:57:10 PM
Thanks, John. Since the DL-32 has an accelerometer are you using that data for anything? I'm sure you have your chute position optimized over the years but it might be interesting to see chassis action upon deployment, or?    :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 16, 2010, 12:14:56 PM
I don't believe that we will set up the G-sensor, but you never know that could change. :-D  We got a few data loggers in place minus the wiring.

two of three EGT loggers under the dash.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/01.jpg)

The main data logger on the dash for easy access.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/02.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 16, 2010, 02:26:55 PM
I don't believe that we will set up the G-sensor, but you never know that could change. :-D  We got a few data loggers in place minus the wiring.

two of three EGT loggers under the dash.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/01.jpg)

The main data logger on the dash for easy access.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/02.jpg)

  Troy I believe the G sensor is already installed in the main unit.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 16, 2010, 02:39:38 PM
Thanks, John. Since the DL-32 has an accelerometer are you using that data for anything? I'm sure you have your chute position optimized over the years but it might be interesting to see chassis action upon deployment, or?    :wink:

  Saltfever.....I hadn't thought about that but it would be interesting + how much G force on opening :-o
  I was thinking about acceleration rates in different gears. I did hit both chutes by accident at 275 mph once and the car reacted great.

                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 16, 2010, 03:25:08 PM
You are correct . . . the accelerometer is part of the DL-32 circuit board. It is 2 axis. To get correct information it is best mounted right on the CG of the car. However, that may be difficult to determine or even to mount in the right location.  Usually, x and y are pretty easy to find with jack stands. If you wanted to see Z axis acelerations then it would have to be oriented to get that data. Most use the cam height in the motor as the Z dimension of the CG.

Its nice you are taking advantage of the DL-32's capacity. 8 EGTs and all those thermocouples is a bunch of data. Make sure you have the latest version of Logworks which can be downloaded from the Innovate web site. You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 16, 2010, 06:46:12 PM
You are correct . . . the accelerometer is part of the DL-32 circuit board. It is 2 axis. To get correct information it is best mounted right on the CG of the car. However, that may be difficult to determine or even to mount in the right location.  Usually, x and y are pretty easy to find with jack stands. If you wanted to see Z axis acelerations then it would have to be oriented to get that data. Most use the cam height in the motor as the Z dimension of the CG.

Its nice you are taking advantage of the DL-32's capacity. 8 EGTs and all those thermocouples is a bunch of data. Make sure you have the latest version of Logworks which can be downloaded from the Innovate web site. You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!  :-D
we have got a lot to learn

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on June 16, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
WOW.........You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!

Does that mean it also records his tire tracks?

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 16, 2010, 06:53:58 PM
WOW.........You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!

Does that mean it also records his tire tracks?

FREUD




 :roll: It could be working overtime especially at El Mirage

    JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 17, 2010, 12:21:54 AM
WOW.........You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!
Does that mean it also records his tire tracks?   FREUD 

Got those on video.  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 17, 2010, 02:39:46 AM
WOW.........You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!
Does that mean it also records his tire tracks?   FREUD  

Got those on video.  :-D

like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 17, 2010, 11:28:26 AM
Or these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 17, 2010, 05:52:16 PM
I see a rooster-tail but no tire tracks! Thats the problem with loose adobe  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 17, 2010, 10:51:42 PM
I see a rooster-tail but no tire tracks! Thats the problem with loose adobe  :-D

Speaking of loose adobe, here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17HOby9FnC8
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 19, 2010, 03:40:24 PM
We got the flanges and some pipe, not sure if we will use the pipe.  It wasn't what we thought it was going to be. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 20, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
We got the flanges and some pipe, not sure if we will use the pipe.  It wasn't what we thought it was going to be. :mrgreen:

  I ordered stainless u-bends from summitt racing and when they arrived I checked to see if they were non-magnetic [they wern't]
after checking the companys web site [dynomax] I found out that it was 409 stainless steel but it will rust a bit and is used on auto applications were appearance doesn't matter.
  Oh well live and learn, I thought stainless steel meant no staining :?
 I hope to order 304 stainless from Columbia River Mandrel Bending tomorrow.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jdincau on June 20, 2010, 03:14:27 PM
It's only "stainless" to the people selling it. The people manufacturing it call it "corrosion resistant"
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 20, 2010, 07:11:46 PM
Quite a few years ago (can’t remember exactly) the EPA upped the mileage requirement on all emissions equipment. A few existing items were upgraded and required to last 70,000 miles instead of the original 50,000 requirement and new items were added to the list. While EGR and the pump were part of the original EPA requirements the actual exhaust pipe system was not, due to the tremendous cost and OEM resistance. I can’t remember the steel company but a new formula was created to be low cost (relatively) and malleable. That is when EPA include the exhaust system under the 70,000 requirement. 409 stainless was created solely as a cheap material to meet EPA mandates. It is still more costly than aluminized tubing so you will find 409 used sparingly unless it is an expensive car (i.e., more profit for the OEM). On cheaper cars, 409 is used only where aluminized tube will not survive the 70,000 mile mandate. This is typically, but not always, in the headers, and CAT. I haven’t cared to keep up with the EPA so my numbers above are probably wrong or outdated. I agree that 409 is mislabeled. However, even from the beginning 409 was called stainless because of its nickel content which is far less than either 304 or 316. It was marketing swill and it perpetuates to this day. Corrosion resistant steel (CRES) and stainless are words used almost synonymously on most drawings and specifications. Those in the industry who see either word will ask for further specification of either 304 or 316 because of the tremendous cost difference. You can never rely on the word “stainless” due to the tremendous range of alloys, properties, and cost. Much marketing of 409 in the aftermarket is relying on the consumers lack of knowledge.  YMMV   :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 20, 2010, 08:51:32 PM
If it looks to good to be true it must be something you probably don't want. :roll:  looks like another day gone by, and another rush order to be placed Monday or Tuesday. :cheers:  there's always a learning experience just around the corner. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 20, 2010, 09:14:42 PM

 Saltfever.... corrosion resistant or cres doesn't apear in the add or 304 in the borla tubing that is the good stuff but I did find 304 U bends from Columbia River tube for not much more in price but will ask more questions before buying this time.
 No problem returning to Summit but I have to pay shipping.

                             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on June 21, 2010, 09:13:49 AM
John and Troy, all my stainless steel is either 304 or 316, but I am lucky to know a couple of people who work at a food processing equiptment plant who use stainless steel. Even got many T-304 180 degree bends in the 3" OD size.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 21, 2010, 11:54:19 AM
John and Troy,
Most "race car" stainless headers are made from 321 stainless as it is stronger and has higher strength at temperature than 304. If you look up the stength properties of 304 you willl find that it has about the same tensil and yeild strenght as mild steel and when use for headers really only provides protection against salt. Don't forget to get the special weld flux for doing stainless or make up some plugs and argon line for purging the ID of the tube while you weld or you will get a really ugly looking weld on the inside of the tube that is both restrictive but provides a great place for the weld to start cracking.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 21, 2010, 04:22:36 PM
Rex, great point about purging the inside!  Good information about 321. Thanx.  :-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 22, 2010, 02:06:16 PM
Lots of grinding in our future. :evil:  flanges need to be ported. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 23, 2010, 11:13:37 AM
We finished wiring our LED lights for the water injection a couple days ago, and have been working on porting our flanges the last couple of days.  Yesterday I got one flange about 90% finished, I just need to bolt it back on and feel if there needs to be any more grinding on it.  When finished today, we'll start building the headers once we get the rest of the pipe on (hopefully) Thursday.  The second flange is already marked and ready to start.  Stainless is one hard material to grind. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Greg Kelley on June 23, 2010, 04:13:20 PM
John - Give me a call about your DL-32

GK 609-265-2110
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 23, 2010, 05:36:31 PM
John - Give me a call about your DL-32

GK 609-265-2110
 
  Great service!!

  Greg is the owner of Motorsports Innovations .com were we purchased our Dl-32 data recorder from, he noticed we had our speed sensor mounted wrong from viewing this site.

                                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 23, 2010, 06:01:24 PM
John I tried www.MotorsportsInnovations.com but it doesn't work. I would like to look at his site.  :cry: help 

Where is the pic of the speed sensor? What is the posting number? Yikes, 75 pages to sift through   :-D

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 23, 2010, 06:46:35 PM
Saltfever,

Try again, it works for me.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 23, 2010, 06:47:01 PM
Saltfever, here you go.  I guess the sensor is where the wiring starts.  We thought the sensor went through the plastic tip. :-P

We have the yoke/wheel sensor installed, just have to finish wiring and other data sensors.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a12.jpg)
 

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 23, 2010, 07:14:46 PM
Thanks guys . . . the URL worked the second time. Nice site and great endorsement of the business from John. Sorry I missed the sensor. I did see the pic but missed the pickup in the darkness.  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 23, 2010, 08:25:39 PM

 Saltfever...Greg says we have the sensor upside down and the wires have to be next to the bolt on part of the yolk.

          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 23, 2010, 09:03:48 PM
JL. . . thanks for answering before I asked . . . you knew I would.  :-D    :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 25, 2010, 12:44:36 PM
We got our header pipes yesterday, we may get some tack welds done today? :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: blackslax on June 26, 2010, 09:56:17 PM
Just a thought for you on your intercooler.  If you make your ice from salt water and or add salt ton the water(calcium also works), it will lower the temp of the water in the intercooler.  Of course, your components would need to be corrosion proof. 

Ojust a thought.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2010, 10:52:37 AM
We can get the water cool enough with what we are using, no need to add salt to a wound. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 29, 2010, 12:40:43 AM
Just a thought for you on your intercooler.  If you make your ice from salt water and or add salt ton the water(calcium also works), it will lower the temp of the water in the intercooler.  Of course, your components would need to be corrosion proof. 

Ojust a thought.

 Maybe we could make ice cream and Baskin and Robins could sponsor us :-D
 Heh-heh-heh just thought of a name for the new go fast flavor :evil:


            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SlyOneJr on June 29, 2010, 05:50:56 PM
Salt lick ice cream?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 29, 2010, 07:02:21 PM
Two scoops of Red Hat, please!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on June 29, 2010, 09:10:51 PM
WRONG color---Blue hat special  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 01, 2010, 01:51:26 PM
WRONG color---Blue hat special  :-D

I think I like dble blue hat special better. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 01, 2010, 06:10:12 PM
Ohhh I get it!!!!!!! you want a double severing of 3 scoop blue hat  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2010, 03:27:19 PM
We are currently building our headers, we have the passenger side 3/4 tacked and today we will start on the drivers side.  To finish both sides we need to get the front end on the car.  We will bring it down later next week.  I have to buy a new router to post pictures.  Maybe next week sometime. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2010, 11:52:03 PM
I'll be happy when these headers are finished. :x
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 03, 2010, 01:38:37 AM
I'll be happy when these headers are finished. :x

 yea those compound cuts with a straight cutter are a bitch :x

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 03, 2010, 02:30:41 AM
Patience Guys. There's a reason good headers cost as much as they do. How are you planning to back purge them when you weld them up, or maybe what I should ask is what have you got for a back purging set-up?

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 03, 2010, 01:07:28 PM
Patience Guys. There's a reason good headers cost as much as they do. How are you planning to back purge them when you weld them up, or maybe what I should ask is what have you got for a back purging set-up?

Pete

  I haven't seen what Justin has to do the purging with but he's talking about a plug and filling the pipe with i'am not sure what gas, nitrogen I believe. Troy and I are doing the fitting and Justin Coffman the welding. This purging is new to me, I understand it makes a smoother weld inside the pipe. What is a good set-up?

                       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 03, 2010, 01:41:35 PM
Sounds like he has a handle on the process. Argon is the normal back purging gas because it's what's being used through the tig torch anyway. I use a single regulator with a tee fitting coming out of it and two separate flowmeters. One flowmeter feeds the torch and the other feeds the back purge. If you want to see why the back purge have him weld up a couple of coupons without the purge. You'll know right away why the purge is needed. Good to hear things are progressing well. Don't rush the fit up!

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 04, 2010, 12:39:41 AM
No rush on the headers, just a little frustrated when it doesn't fit correctly after the second cut or grind. :x
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 04, 2010, 12:54:39 AM
 
  Troy is that wood chop saw of yours a compound cutter, if so I have a metal cutting blade for it :-)

          Dad
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 04, 2010, 02:33:38 AM
Just watch it cutting stainless with one of the carbide toothed blades. Stainless can be tough and tricky. Use a cautious approach until you know the blade will handle it.

If you're talking cutting it with an abrasive blade I wouldn't recommend it. The embedded abrasive material can be a cause for cracking. Hacksaws and band saws work really well and don't contaminate the joint. Dodge, extra work again!!! :? :? :?

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 04, 2010, 10:45:35 AM
If you are cutting stainless with a metal variable speed band saw, the best way is to friction cut. Turn the blade speed way up, 3000 fpm and have at it. Don't start with a new blade as this speed will ruin all of the teeth but the speed is so high that the friction of the blade against the stainless will cut the tube. You can actually put the blade in backwards and it will still work. I would think that this type of cutting might work with a steel blade in a high speed cut off saw but have never tried it.

Regarding the purging there is also a special flux that you can use for welding stainless that will give pretty much the same result as purging and of course for the life of me I cannot think of its name!! CRS!!!! I am sure someone on the site will help me out here.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 04, 2010, 11:00:37 AM
It's Solar Flux, but I can't remember the number. I'll post it after I've gone out to the shop.

I've got the same problem Rex. Probably normal because we're pretty close in age too! :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 04, 2010, 11:08:37 AM
Thanks Pete!!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 04, 2010, 11:35:22 AM
It's "Type B".

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 04, 2010, 01:43:00 PM

  How do you use this flux?

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on July 04, 2010, 02:11:11 PM

  How do you use this flux?

           JL222

John,

Here is some information that might come in handy.

Tom G.

http://www.solarflux.com/Pages/Productinfo.html
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 04, 2010, 02:25:24 PM

  How do you use this flux?

           JL222

John,

Here is some information that might come in handy.

Tom G.

http://www.solarflux.com/Pages/Productinfo.html

 Thanks for the replys guys I think I'll pick some of that flux up.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on July 04, 2010, 10:00:16 PM
John, if you have some reading time this weekend go to www.burnsstainless.com. Lots of welding tips.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 06, 2010, 10:58:30 PM
We are getting closer with the headers, tomorrow we will be finnished tacking all the pipes except the tips.  We will be bringing the front end down to the shop so we can get the final fit of the end pieces.  We should be completely done with the headers sometime next week. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2010, 10:55:53 AM
We put the front end on the car and finished shaping the passenger side header.  The final welding and reassembly to be completed by Monday.....ish. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on July 09, 2010, 11:08:10 AM
Monday? elmo is this sunday. I will have to wait till Bonneville  :|
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2010, 12:38:08 PM
John, if you have some reading time this weekend go to www.burnsstainless.com. Lots of welding tips.

  Thanks Michael... lots of fabrication tips also which we can use on unfinished left side header.
  Good luck at El Mirage, I'll be thinking of you in foggy Santa Barbara.

         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 10, 2010, 12:45:50 PM
We picked up some stainless straps for the headers, supplied the shop with a new tank, solar flux and after a little searching found some methanol to mix with the flux.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 14, 2010, 12:55:12 PM
Ok, its been a little while and now that my computer is back online I can update with pictures. :-D  Here are some pictures of the passenger side header that is nearly complete. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header3.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header4.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header5.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header6.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header7.jpg)

Since the headers have been completely tacked and in position we started to completely weld the pipes.

First a test weld.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header9.jpg)

What it looks like with inert gas charge.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header8.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header9.jpg)

final weld on one of the pipes.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header10.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 16, 2010, 11:48:55 AM
Still lots of welding to do.  We finished the passenger side header yesterday and will start welding the second header today.  Some photos ofcourse. :-D

Welding the tube to the flange.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header15.jpg)

Welding the bungs for the EGT's

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header12.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header13.jpg)

We didn't have much room on top of the pipes for EGT's, so they are underneath. :wink:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header11.jpg)

The top view of the headers.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header14.jpg)

It took us forever to get the bends where we wanted them, but we finally finished one and are done shaping the other.  Final welding in 100+ heat is no fun either.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 16, 2010, 12:02:51 PM
Your build diary is fantastic.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 16, 2010, 02:35:30 PM
Thanks Freud, sometimes I wonder if I'm posting too much info and people will start getting bored with the thread. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rockstar on July 16, 2010, 02:53:39 PM
No way guys,keep posting,enquiring minds love your posts :-D

David
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on July 16, 2010, 03:06:14 PM
How can there ever be too much information on a build???   :-o  Seems to me, the more information available, the more questions are answered for new builds and more options for current builds!!!   Besides, I enjoy reading all of the build diaries and I don't even race!!  :roll:

Lynda
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jb2 on July 16, 2010, 03:12:27 PM
I do not post much at all, but I love your updates and look forward to your updates no matter how "small" they may be.  Please keep them coming, it makes me feel vested in your effort!

Jim
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: theazoldcrow on July 16, 2010, 03:36:48 PM
 :cheers:  X2 from me!   Keep up the good work, and We'll see you on the Salt, or dirt, soon!      Crow.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: CTRon on July 17, 2010, 07:38:44 AM
those headers are beautiful!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 17, 2010, 10:24:54 AM
It seems to me, from the number of hits we receive on www.target550.com, the information that is posted is followed

very closely. I try to show as much of what is done as possible. Then when the car runs, if there are problems and a

fix is needed, the readers will have an idea of where the problem started. They can refer to that area of the build in

past postings and feel as if they are part of the ongoing process.

It appears that this post comes in the same area. Both posts also give ideas as to how a certain part is built and the method

may help another builder.

Thanks for such a comprehensive diary.  I'll see you on the Salt.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2010, 12:54:23 PM
We should be completely done with both headers by Tuesday. :-P we will then proceed to placing two more data loggers and start the wiring.  Dyno pulls are right around the corner. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 18, 2010, 01:02:52 PM
Thanks Freud, sometimes I wonder if I'm posting too much info and people will start getting bored with the thread. :mrgreen:

I think you have more fans than you realize - we appreciate your dedication to the car and the build diary.

Chris
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 18, 2010, 01:13:40 PM
Cpt. Chrispy is right -- you haven't heard me asking you to step ack and cut down on the posts to the diary, have you?  Nope -- nor will you.  Thanks very much for your posts.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 18, 2010, 03:14:41 PM
Right on!   :cheers:

You wouldn't have 116947 hits on this thread if people weren't interested in reading all of it.

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 21, 2010, 10:54:24 AM
We didn't work on the car on Monday so we are a day behind.  Tuesday we worked on the drivers side header and are almost finished welding the braces and pipes.  By the time I get to the shop today most or all the welding will be complete. :-D All thats left to weld is 1 1/4 pipes at the flange, heat up the braces and bend to pipe and weld, the top braces need fiting and welding, and drill and weld all EGT bungs and A/F bung. 

Some pictures

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header03.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header01.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header02.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header05.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header06.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header07.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header04.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: theazoldcrow on July 21, 2010, 12:35:42 PM
 :cheers: I'm sure that Keystone lite can is for holding spare rod,,right?   Keep up the good work, and photos!   BCNU on the Salt!     Crow
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 21, 2010, 03:13:17 PM
:cheers: I'm sure that Keystone lite can is for holding spare rod,,right?   Keep up the good work, and photos!   BCNU on the Salt!     Crow

  Also, special lined can to keep from getting oldtimers disease ''if I remember right'' + more cans for the buck :-D

             JL222...see u there
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 21, 2010, 04:41:07 PM
Remember, too much keystone leads to beer pong cattle branding :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 21, 2010, 04:46:36 PM
Remember, too much keystone leads to beer pong cattle branding :-o

  Hey don't talk about our crew member :roll:

          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on July 21, 2010, 05:13:39 PM
Cool thread! Lot's of pics and info- I love it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
Yes the Keystone can is essential to our ability to hold welding rods. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BP2.jpg)

I have more pictures but my photobucket page is too slow to do anything more for now.  I'll update later today. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2010, 04:15:49 PM
Photobucket/my computer seems to be up to speed now.  Brian, since you were asking about Beer Pong and branding here ya go.  One of our crew members last year before Bville got a little intoxicated while playing Beer Pong and descided to get branded.  The brand/burn has faded but the initials BP is there.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BP1.jpg)

In case anyone would like to ask Correy about the incident this is what he looks like. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/correy.jpg)

Justin heating up one of the supports so it can be hammered down by JL222.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/heat.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hammer.jpg)

We added a pressure sensor and a temperature sensor to our blower tube so we can get readings before the inter-cooler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bung.jpg)

Today we will be wiring all the sensors and EGTs, putting the headers back on and possibly doing some tin work on the front end. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 23, 2010, 11:14:52 AM
We got the headers back on, the EGTs installed, 90% of the wiring for our data loggers finished.  We just need to run power and get the loggers programed.  We may be able to move the car onto the dyno today, and set up the data loggers on the dyno.  Some pictures of the headers installed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header001.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header002.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 23, 2010, 08:44:32 PM
Done a little early tonight. :-D  We got a couple more sensors wired, so now just three wires to the main data logger and were done wiring. :cheers:  On Monday we need to finish up a few things and put it on the dyno, maybe get some pulls in we'll see.  Things left to do before we leave: make a couple cosmetic plates on the side of the car above the new zoomies, fix the dzus fastener that popped out of the hood/front end connection, tint the outside of two side windows and the rear window, get new numbers and letters for the car and relocate them to the spill plates, wash the car and load it.  I think that's it. :cheers:  Here is a picture of a brace we made, it was the only other place on the blower tube that was not braced.  Now we can be sure that there is no weak link in the blower pipes.... :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/blowerbrace.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2010, 02:07:06 AM
 
 And put the new lsr frontrunners on [which didn't show up today] and paint the front frame work and...

            JL222

  Maybe he just dropped them off at the gate, I better go check :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2010, 02:52:42 AM

 And put the new lsr frontrunners on [which didn't show up today] and paint the front frame work and...

            JL222

  Maybe he just dropped them off at the gate, I better go check :-P

   Tires were out there :-o UPS driver usually calls when he's at the gate and I tell him to drop it off and go on. Maybe his phone
was dead, anyhow he walked the tires down about 200 ft around the bend were nobody could see them.

                   JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 24, 2010, 03:03:22 AM
Just curious have you guys checked to see if the tires are perfectly round or do you shave them?  Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: cheeto racer on July 24, 2010, 11:10:16 AM
Photobucket/my computer seems to be up to speed now.  Brian, since you were asking about Beer Pong and branding here ya go.  One of our crew members last year before Bville got a little intoxicated while playing Beer Pong and descided to get branded.  The brand/burn has faded but the initials BP is there




WOW what a difference a year makes that "brand" looks a lot less pain full!!!

Looking forward to see you guys on the salt this year. both in the pits and running down the salt. It is a beautiful car..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2010, 06:55:44 PM
Just curious have you guys checked to see if the tires are perfectly round or do you shave them?  Tony

  We don't shave them and checking the front tires the other day for header clearance they or the rims were quite a bit out of round and did not have dial indicator with me 3/16'' maybe from low to high.
  Our last pass at speedweek last year was 286 in the 1st measured mile with the blower tube coming off with 2 sec left before end of that mile [video], rpm on Fast EFI recall was 312 mph with 1'' tire growth figured. I felt no tire problem with car.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2010, 10:50:11 AM
Cecelia, looking forward to seeing you both as well.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 27, 2010, 12:59:29 AM
Just curious have you guys checked to see if the tires are perfectly round or do you shave them?  Tony

  We don't shave them and checking the front tires the other day for header clearance they or the rims were quite a bit out of round and did not have dial indicator with me 3/16'' maybe from low to high.
  Our last pass at speedweek last year was 286 in the 1st measured mile with the blower tube coming off with 2 sec left before end of that mile [video], rpm on Fast EFI recall was 312 mph with 1'' tire growth figured. I felt no tire problem with car.

               JL222
  The tires are not that bad, when I first checked them by spinning them next to the header the car had been sitting on floor in one spot
for a while, when I checked today, after being jacked up for several days, the most I could measure was .20 thousand.
 I'll check again on the new tires.

                                  JL222

 

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 27, 2010, 01:55:39 AM
I was talking to Nate Jones today and he said he has yet to see a perfectly round LSR tire.  Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 27, 2010, 11:21:50 AM
We finished getting our data loggers all hooked up and running.  We tested all of the EGTs and temperature sensors, and need to test the pressure sensons.  We named all of the units on the system to identify on the computer.  A little more tweaking on the system today and we will be ready to put it on the dyno. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DL32.jpg)

Today we should get the car set up on the dyno, warm it up and adjust the valve.  Tomorrow looks like the day we put down some pulls. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 27, 2010, 12:01:30 PM
I like your steering wheel inset. Hume is working on a similar set for Treits streamliner.

That's about as convenient as possible.

Here's to "good pulls."

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 27, 2010, 01:28:33 PM
I like your steering wheel inset. Hume is working on a similar set for Treits streamliner.

That's about as convenient as possible.

Here's to "good pulls."

FREUD

  FREUD...The black button on left is starter, right is electric fuel pump for priming system, toggle switches nearest to grip are
gear shifts ''3''   toggle in middle is air ''on--off''   light is for data recorder and toggle switch to right is for FAST EFI record.
 All Troy and I have to do is remember to turn them on :-)

  See you at speedweek    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2010, 12:31:37 AM
No dyno time today. :-P  We have been battling software issues with the innovative data loggers for the last 2 days.  We did start the engine today and lashed the valves, and restarted again a few times to check the data loggers to see what kind of info we were getting.  A little more tweaking tomorrow and on the dyno it goes for some pulls.  Here's a nice photo of our stainless pipes turning color.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/burnin.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 29, 2010, 12:47:22 AM
Enroll in a TEXTING school so you can build strength in your thumbs. The switches are more easily activated if u are

strong in the thumbs.

Have GREAT PULLS.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2010, 10:25:24 AM
Enroll in a TEXTING school so you can build strength in your thumbs. The switches are more easily activated if u are

strong in the thumbs.

Have GREAT PULLS.

FREUD

just need to ask my wife for lessons.  Glad she has unlimited texting, my thumbs do get a workout from her. :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JoshH on July 29, 2010, 11:58:52 AM
What kind of issues with the Innovate? Just so you know your O2 sensor may not work very well at idle/low RPM due to reversion - don't confuse this with an issue with the Innovate. I struggled with this very same thing for a few days. Everything was working properly but the O2 sensor was not saturated enough to give proper readings.

Good luck on your pulls.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2010, 02:28:44 PM
It's not an AFR problem, it's more of a calibration problem.  Either way it will be on the dyno this afternoon. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2010, 12:10:38 AM
We had an interesting dyno session today.  We had to calibrate the dyno rpm to our FAST rpm which took a little time to do.  Once that was done we were able to do some tuning.  We got the engine running smooth with a couple mini pulls to check the AFR and then we were ready for a mild 6000 rpm pull.  Well we got up to 5150 and the car almost came off the rollers.  I was working the dyno loading switches behind a semi closed door and didn't see it.  Our tuner and JL222 said it was a little scary.  The way the power curve was jumping looked like it would have been a very impressive number.  Our torque at 5150 was 1400ft lbs.  We will be back at it tomorrow and will have a few video pulls in the next few days. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 30, 2010, 12:24:35 AM
Troy and John,
That thing is a BEAST!!! I can't wait to see you a B'ville. Your mods for 2010 should really help you make the 300 club.


See you at the salt!!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2010, 12:56:12 AM

 Four straps in back and it streched the hell out of them, forgot my comealong today, bringing it and a chain tomorrow.
 Ice water and water injection to come.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2010, 07:21:37 PM
Man, this car hurts my ears when it's on the dyno. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 30, 2010, 09:38:55 PM
Pushing the " Like" button. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 30, 2010, 09:42:04 PM
Good on both of Ya.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 30, 2010, 09:43:58 PM
Who drives first this year?

Is it Troy?

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
Who drives first this year?

Is it Troy?

FREUD

it's my record, I think not. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2010, 12:29:24 AM
We need to do a couple more passes to tune with the water injection.  Our last good pull was @6200 RPMs 2000+ torque and 2300+ hp at the wheel.  The engine knocked out the dyno so we need to take the car off   the dyno to get to the computer inside the dyno.  All in all we are very pleased. :cheers:  I should have a couple videos soon. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on July 31, 2010, 10:02:04 AM
That's significantly more than last year isn't it? Congrats, a job well done. :cheers: I love your build diary.

  Fred
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 31, 2010, 11:56:07 AM
John and Troy,
You blew up the dyno?!!!!! Put it in the trailor and point it east around Aug 13! I sure hope some one is checking the supply of Blue hats.

Rex

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 31, 2010, 12:39:13 PM
2000 torque and 2300 hp?  Dang -- that's darn near unbelievable.  How big is the motor?  You're making numbers pretty close to what the Kenny Duttweiler motor for the Speed Demon engine is making -- and that's a top-bucks build.  Many congratulations for being able to build so well that you hurt the dyno.  That in itself is quite an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 31, 2010, 12:59:44 PM
 
  Thanks guys...we hope its just a power cord but it could be a computer board problem,we'll find out Monday.
  This thing is scarry!! one time I was on the right side taking temp readings and when it got up in rpm I thought to hell with this I'm out of here. The whole room was vibrating and all the dust and cobwebs were coming out of the rafters and floating around and the sound was so awesome it was hurting my one good ear through the ear muffs.
 Just talked to Bvillercr and he should be posting some videos soon.

                JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on July 31, 2010, 01:06:21 PM
 :cheers:    :cheers:       :cheers:       :cheers:      :cheers:

That is so cool!!!

Lynda
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 31, 2010, 01:13:20 PM
2000 torque and 2300 hp?  Dang -- that's darn near unbelievable.  How big is the motor?  You're making numbers pretty close to what the Kenny Duttweiler motor for the Speed Demon engine is making -- and that's a top-bucks build.  Many congratulations for being able to build so well that you hurt the dyno.  That in itself is quite an accomplishment.

  Yea Slim but thats a smaller motor,I forget what motor class they run, were at 496 cu. in. and 2300 is rear wheel hp.
  Precision Auto tunes a lot of cars and diesel trucks and know how to get the power out.

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: coloradodave on July 31, 2010, 01:29:31 PM
I can't wait to hear it in person. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on July 31, 2010, 01:39:30 PM
John & Troy,

After all this hard work and money, please tell me you will detune the motor about 10% from the dyno. I want to see you get those Blue hats without any engine problems. Then once you are both in the club go for the gusto.  :cheers:

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2010, 02:13:55 PM
John & Troy,

After all this hard work and money, please tell me you will detune the motor about 10% from the dyno. I want to see you get those Blue hats without any engine problems. Then once you are both in the club go for the gusto.  :cheers:

Tom G.

Tom, the RPM was only at 6200 we intend to take it over 7k.  Videos being uploaded now.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2010, 02:23:05 PM
Video 1, just a short pull.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2010, 02:28:34 PM
Here is another video that is a little longer.  You can see the car bounce a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcx2F6v4jog
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2010, 02:40:30 PM
The last two videos are the last until Monday where we will take some more. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcx2F6v4jog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcpyvs5na4
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2010, 12:01:08 PM
John and Troy,
You blew up the dyno?!!!!! Put it in the trailor and point it east around Aug 13! I sure hope some one is checking the supply of Blue hats.

Rex



No, the dyno is fine as far as breakage.  The dyno can handle 3000hp/tq, the problem we believe is that the harmonics of the engine creates so much vibration that it may have disconnected a wire and hopefully didn't hurt the motherboard. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2010, 01:46:52 AM
We didn't get a chance to do anything today.  The shop was closed because one of our tuners had to move out of an apartment and into a house.  Tomorrow we will get some work in. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 03, 2010, 01:08:03 PM
We didn't get a chance to do anything today.  The shop was closed because one of our tuners had to move out of an apartment and into a house.  Tomorrow we will get some work in. :cheers:

  But we did learn how to use the go-pro video, and the grandaughters got a tractor ride :-D

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2010, 08:30:48 PM
We changed 2 of 4 water injection nozzles from the cold air side to the hot side just after the blower.  This will cool the air even more before the inter cooler.  We were getting a little too much water into the manifold, so we changed it around a bit.  We also took the car off of the dyno to inspect the electronic on the dyno.  We lucked out and found that the power cord from the mother board vibrated off.  So we used some silicone around the rubber boot of the cord to help hold it on.  The car is back on the dyno and ready for it's final tune early tomorrow then in the trailer it goes and back to our shop for some little detailing and final load. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on August 04, 2010, 09:56:12 AM
Hurray!!!  It's all coming together nicely!!   :cheers:   See you on the salt!!!

Lynda
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2010, 12:32:10 AM
We got the car back to it's home today.  We unloaded it, took the dyno tires off and replaced them with our race tires.  We also took off the front wheels so we could mount our new tires on them.  We did get a few pulls today and sorted out the water injection.  The torque numbers were 2139 and 2192 for hp.  This was less than before but this was only at 5400 rpms.  These numbers are good enough for now, the real test while be on the great white dyno on the 14th.  I'll try to post one or two videos later tonight. :cheers: 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 05, 2010, 12:34:32 AM
  
 We made more dyno runs today and made some impresive hp using the water injection, but the sound vibration is causing the dyno to shut off early, it was so bad that it was vibrating the plugs out of the plywood up in the cieling.
  The power with the water injection came in sooner and cooled the exhaust temp down 100-150 deg.
   We now have the car back in the barn and put the 2222 goodyears on and will be installing the new frontrunners tomorrow.

                                 JL222

  More videos to come

  Bvillercr beat me to it :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2010, 08:50:47 PM
We are a little behind schedual.  I noticed that the header on the driver side had some cracked welds at a couple braces.  We took them off had a thicker weld put back on and added another brace closer to the end of the pipes.  The headers are now back on, with a few more things to do and then we can load the truck and the car. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2010, 04:07:27 AM
Fixed the dzus fasteners on the front end and the hood today.  Made side skirts for the space above the headers.  More cosmetics to do. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 09, 2010, 01:52:42 PM
That thing sure is violent!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2010, 04:03:56 AM
Still not ready!  Tinting windows is no fun, but for our first try we did pretty good.  I'm just glad we weren't doing the inside.  Tomorrow we get to put the numbers and class lettering on, and then start packing.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2010, 11:38:59 PM
We got the truck all loaded up, still need to do a little touch up stuff on the head light, then wash and load the car and trailer. We will be ready to roll early Thursday morning. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on August 11, 2010, 01:07:31 AM
Still not ready!  Tinting windows is no fun, but for our first try we did pretty good.  I'm just glad we weren't doing the inside.   Tomorrow we get to put the numbers and class lettering on, and then start packing.   :mrgreen:

Troy, you might want to reread rule 3.U pg. 37 of the 2010 rule book, sorry......  :oops:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2010, 01:32:24 AM
Mike, I don't have the rule book with me.  If your refering to tint on the inside, we already have it there.  If not tell me what you are hinting at, quickly we leave soon. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on August 11, 2010, 01:38:54 AM
Troy, I think that's what he was hinting at. I checked the rule book for you, and it says that tinting is required on BOTH sides of the glass.

See you guys up there!!! Have a safe trip!!! I'll be watching for you and listening for a 300 #       :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2010, 08:51:36 AM
Troy, I think that's what he was hinting at. I checked the rule book for you, and it says that tinting is required on BOTH sides of the glass.

See you guys up there!!! Have a safe trip!!! I'll be watching for you and listening for a 300 #       :cheers:


thanks for the response Ryan.  I was just glad the inside was already done.  The rear window would have been a big pain in the butt. :-D. Mike thanks for looking out for us. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2010, 07:30:36 PM
We are all loaded up and ready to go.   :-D. Now I just have to do laundry and make sure I don't forget the  tighty whities. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on August 11, 2010, 07:49:49 PM
Best of luck fellas, I wish I could be there to see and hear that beast make a run down the salt.
                              mIke Reichen
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 11, 2010, 09:42:21 PM
Good luck.
terry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
Terry thanks, Evo we will have an in car camera and hopefully one of our crew members can video us making a pass.  And if we are real lucky maybe some real video person can get a shot or two of it running down the salt. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 11, 2010, 11:59:18 PM
im thinking 300mph+ :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2010, 09:36:35 AM
We just left and are on our way to the salt.  We will pull in tonight around 10-12. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2010, 02:33:39 PM
Last year we pulled into Winnemucka and came across Rex at the gas station.  He had been hailed and rained on and was stopped trying to get dried out while fueling.  Well we just ran into him again at a rest stop an hour west of Reno.  We chatted for a while and now we are all back on the road. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2010, 01:19:56 AM
Well no Wendover tonight.  We got a flat just outside battle mountain beforeyou get to Carlin.  We put the spare on and slowed down to make sure we would make it to Wendover.  Then bamm the second one blew!  Now we're limping back to Elko to spend the night and get all new tire tomorrow. :evil:  Hope to get tires early and get into Wendover asap.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 13, 2010, 05:58:29 AM
Hope your getting rid of all the bad luck early and the racing goes smooth and fast. Have fun, go fast and be safe. We're looking for records gentlemen! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 13, 2010, 09:33:09 AM
Nothing good ever comes without a fight.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2010, 11:55:07 AM
We just got 5 new tires and checked out of the hotel in Elko and are on our way to Wendover. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: nlancaster on August 13, 2010, 05:54:13 PM
Good luck, on the salt.

2300+ HP is insane in a "stock" car.

I have not read the whole thread, how much work has been done to the chassis over the years?  Is there like one piece of metal someone inside that used to be GM and everything else has been replaced over the years?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 13, 2010, 07:09:20 PM
Go back and read the whole story, it is all in here. No it is not a stock frame.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2010, 09:14:25 AM
It's a full Alston chasis.  We were in line yesterday for tech inspection but didn't get inspected because they shut down at 5.  We were about an hour late.  We had some issues with our right rear rim rubbing on the brake caliper. :evil:  we will get back in line after the drivers meeting, and run tomorrow. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2010, 08:59:57 PM
Went thru tech with ease, except the inspectors could see the dates on our fire bottles.  We got it straightened out.  Today we adjusted the tune, watched some racing, and put a few back.  We will be in line fairly early tomorrow for a test run, and will shut it down at the 2.  We will have a good idea of our tune after that and then put one down on the salt. :cheers:   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on August 14, 2010, 09:38:07 PM
Good luck!   :cheers:

Thanks for keeping us updated.

Waiting    Waiting   Waiting    by the computer for results.

Geo
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: nlancaster on August 15, 2010, 01:31:35 PM
It's a full Alston chasis.  We were in line yesterday for tech inspection but didn't get inspected because they shut down at 5.  We were about an hour late.  We had some issues with our right rear rim rubbing on the brake caliper. :evil:  we will get back in line after the drivers meeting, and run tomorrow. :cheers:

Thanks for the constructive answer.

Good luck, keep us updated!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on August 15, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
Troy maybe you can tell us whats going on out there.  not too many updates this year.  good luck
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
A lot of running passes going on including us.  We just ran and JL222 shut down at the 2 and got a 2 1/4 speed of 271. :-D. We are lashing valves now and will run a little later. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on August 15, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
271 thats a good checkout pass. cool
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 15, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
GO!  GO!  GO!  :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2010, 07:08:32 PM
In line and should run within the hour. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on August 15, 2010, 07:13:57 PM
hammer down, good luck :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on August 15, 2010, 07:17:51 PM
what is the  record?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 15, 2010, 10:50:39 PM
Damn that sucker sounds good coming down the course. Ran over 290mph this evening, but sounded like you guys clicked it off early? Flirting with 300mph big time and sounds like lots left too! Good luck the rest of the week :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2010, 11:42:46 PM
Slick, glad you could here it.  We got a nice visit from Freud and Brett in impound.  The good news is we went 280 in the 2 1/4 and :cheers: 294 in the first mile. :-D. The bad news is that we won't be able to back it up. :-(. We hurt piston 1 and 6, and we don't have spare parts to replace it.  Like slick had said early, there is a lot left in this car/motor.  JL222 said he wasn't into the gas that hard until high gear.  We will wait and see if a door slammer can beat that 1/4 or mile time this year.  We did see a few new contenders and some vets here that could do it.  We will have to wait and see. :mrgreen: We are pretty happy with the speeds but bummed that we couldn't back it up.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 15, 2010, 11:52:06 PM
Slick, glad you could here it.  We got a nice visit from Freud and Brett in impound.  The good news is we went 280 in the 2 1/4 and :cheers: 294 in the first mile. :-D. The bad news is that we won't be able to back it up. :-(. We hurt piston 1 and 6, and we don't have spare parts to replace it.  Like slick had said early, there is a lot left in this car/motor.  JL222 said he wasn't into the gas that hard until high gear.  We will wait and see if a door slammer can beat that 1/4 or mile time this year.  We did see a few new contenders and some vets here that could do it.  We will have to wait and see. :mrgreen: We are pretty happy with the speeds but bummed that we couldn't back it up.

Congrats Troy! It has been awesome following you guys the last couple of years.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 16, 2010, 01:02:42 AM
Slick, glad you could here it.  We got a nice visit from Freud and Brett in impound.  The good news is we went 280 in the 2 1/4 and :cheers: 294 in the first mile. :-D. The bad news is that we won't be able to back it up. :-(. We hurt piston 1 and 6, and we don't have spare parts to replace it.  Like slick had said early, there is a lot left in this car/motor.  JL222 said he wasn't into the gas that hard until high gear.  We will wait and see if a door slammer can beat that 1/4 or mile time this year.  We did see a few new contenders and some vets here that could do it.  We will have to wait and see. :mrgreen: We are pretty happy with the speeds but bummed that we couldn't back it up.

Man o man, 280 in the 1/4 ..... congrats on a big number ,comiserations for the damage. Are you gonna run another meet this year?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 16, 2010, 09:58:52 AM
Damn!  That's too bad!

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2010, 03:08:26 PM
Looks like we will run next may at Elmo if ready. :cheers:  looks like we will get 8 new sleeves and pistons to be safe and maybe change manifold.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 16, 2010, 08:35:12 PM
Great Run guys,,, sorry you hurt the motor,,, I am sure you will be up and running again soon.

Charles
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on August 17, 2010, 08:41:05 AM
DAMN THAT SUX!!!!
I feel for you guys.
That is one fast car. And there in is the whole problem with this addiction(sorry I meant sport or did I), you make a fast pass while knowing you still have alot left in it, you just need to get a good pass.
I'll ask a bunch of tech questions after you are back and can relaxe a little. Have fun the rest of the week.

                                              Mike Reichen
                               
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: basher13 on August 18, 2010, 05:20:02 AM
That is one baaad car, sittin at the two lookin through my camera I was amazed to see it comin so quick! Heard the 294 over the radio and dam near fell over, by far one of the most exciting cars to watch and listen to on the salt.
Worth a trip to the dust bowl in May just to see it go again.
 :cheers:
Dan

Did you get any video of the runs?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2010, 11:23:15 AM
We talked with George callaway about el mirage, and he said it's not looking very good.  The lake bed still needs to improve before we run there. :evil:  We think we have two incar videos but the GoPro isn't working on our computer, so we will have to wait till we get home to figure it out.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 18, 2010, 02:49:50 PM
Here's a couple of starting line shots prior to your 270 mph shake down pass:

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 19, 2010, 11:26:31 PM
Bret and I were at the long course timing slip pick up position.

We had immediate access to the print out for each run.

Impressed? You d a m n e d well know it. They were tearing down in IMPOUND when we stopped by.

When we left, they did not know what shape they were in.

Early the next morning when we passed the Impound area, the car still had it's blanket around it as

everyone else was huddled to go to the starting line.

It was like your kid came home from school and his report card said....INCOMPLETE.

B U M M E R.

We still Love ya, John and Troy.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2010, 01:06:36 PM
Thanks freud, I think you two were just as excited as we were. :-D. The good news is that we think it will be easy to pick up 20 mph in first and second gear to get that 300mph in the quarter.  After looking at the data logger JL222 was feather footing it in those gears, tps showed less than 40% throttle.  It's all talk now, but just wait till next year!  First run will be a shake down thru the 3, go to impound and back it up with a harder pull to the 3.   :-D  we can only speculate until next year.  I'll try and get some more data to show later. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: joea on August 20, 2010, 10:48:46 PM
F.. next year....how about next month...or two...?...

seriously...double dog dare ya...
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2010, 12:37:09 AM
F.. next year....how about next month...or two...?...

seriously...double dog dare ya...

would love to go back again this year, but the time it would take to get the motor out, put back together, vacation and time spent with the family is too critical to get back this year.   :-P 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 21, 2010, 03:47:09 PM
Dodge that sucker sounds good coming down the course. Ran over 290mph this evening, but sounded like you guys clicked it off early? Flirting with 300mph big time and sounds like lots left too! Good luck the rest of the week :cheers:

  Thanks for the pics, great shots... I didn't click it off, it lost a piston skirt and blew compressed air into pan and blew off oil breather tube. I'm pretty sure it happend before the 3 mile marker but the video camera battery went dead on that run :cry:
  Where were you watching from? And don't forget sound travels at 1100 ft per second, so it sounds as though a car shuts off later than it does. The play back on the F.A.S.T. EFI indicates we were over 300mph for 5 sec. with a top speed of 316 mph
  I hope someone got a video of that run.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2010, 09:53:04 PM
In the first run the data logger didn't get turned on, but we did get our only video.  We may have been going faster in the first run than the second.  In the video(so I've heard not seen yet) it showed that JL222 shut down before the 2 and still got a 1/4 speed of 270.  I need to collect the SD card and post it asap. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 22, 2010, 12:22:16 AM
In the first run the data logger didn't get turned on, but we did get our only video.  We may have been going faster in the first run than the second.  In the video(so I've heard not seen yet) it showed that JL222 shut down before the 2 and still got a 1/4 speed of 270.  I need to collect the SD card and post it asap. :cheers:

   After the 2 but before the 21/4 :-) We did run 5 mph faster on 1st run in the new 2 mile time than on the 280 21/4 and 294 3 mile run.
  It gets a bit confusing with the new 1st mile traveled to 2nd mile time, but I like having that time.

                         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 22, 2010, 12:31:34 AM
One thing we forgot to mention was our lexan front windshield.  We had some vibration in the motor this year and after two runs at good speeds the window had micro stress cracks on the drivers side with only a couple on the passenger side.  Looks like we need a replacement, anyone know of a good cpany who sells lexan?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 22, 2010, 12:49:44 AM
One thing we forgot to mention was our lexan front windshield.  We had some vibration in the motor this year and after two runs at good speeds the window had micro stress cracks on the drivers side with only a couple on the passenger side.  Looks like we need a replacement, anyone know of a good cpany who sells lexan?

You ever watch Street Customs? There is a company in Corona I think that does special project Lexan replacements. They are on the show all the time.

Scott
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 22, 2010, 12:58:31 AM
I was at the 4 1/2 but that last run gave me chicken skin.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 22, 2010, 03:02:11 AM
Troy, when you start looking for Lexan or its generic replacement, look for Marguard or its generic replacement. It has a special scratch resistance which is a real bonus on a windshield which is continually getting cleaned. Using lots of liquid when cleaning also helps.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on August 22, 2010, 11:17:30 AM
This is were we get all our polycarbonate (lexan) and plexi glass.http://www.tapplastics.com/
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 25, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
  Hopefully Troy can post the video of our 271 MPH 21/4 pass tomorrow [if one counts 1/4 mile markers you can see were I shut off at the start of the 1st timed mile and before the 21/4].
 Thankfully we hit that big rainstorm between Ely and Tonopah on the way home as I can see no salt left on truck or trailer and its been to Dodge hot to unload and clean up, 110 in Fresno today, tying 1931 record.
  Troy is coming out early tomorrow morning when we hope its not to hot and he can post SD card video after cleaning race car.

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 25, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
I've gotta mention something that's not on topic -- but sort of is.

Before we left Upper Michigan for Bville a couple of weeks ago I went so far as to take the pickup to a local shop, raise the truck on the hoist and spray Salt-X over and under and between and through.  For once I was going to have it done right and well.

On the three day drive to Bonnevile we ran in the rain for a few hours each and every day, which I expect rinsed off a good bit of the Salt-X.  Ah, crud.  And when we arrived on the salt on Tuesday before Speedweek it was still kind of damp here and there, so lots of salt built up.

Driving home -- nary a rainstorm.  A few sprinkles now and then, but not so much as to offer up one good puddle, much less a rinse of the hundred or so pounds of salt on the truck.

Why do some people get all the "good" weather?  We got it all backwards.  Now I'm going to have to drag out the sprinkler and the power washer ('cause the rain that we didn't get also didn't wash off all of the bugs on the front of the truck.

I now return you to your regular topic.  Rant has ended.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 25, 2010, 10:14:12 PM
I could be wrong (as usual), but I think the power washer drives it in and activates it.  Okay on exposed, but crevases -- nope.  The good old sprinklers get it where it's at.

Stan
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 26, 2010, 07:36:17 AM
I'm aware of the expressed negative potential of a power washer to "drive the salt into" crooks and nannies -- but I'm also aware that a garden sprinkler has never, ever, done a good job of getting rid of the salt for me.  I've used both -- and the power washer will do more, get rid of more, help dissolve more salt.  The salt is, remember, water-soluble, and water can get further into those little crevasses better when it's driven in by high pressure - better than when pushed at sprinkler speed.  I've not used a sprinkler for more than six or eight hours, but when I've had it going that long (moving it, turning it, etc) -- there're are still very large deposits in far too many places under the truck.

But that part of the discussion aside -- whether I use the power washer to get rid of the salt or not, I still will be using it to get rid of the road grime and bugs (as mentioned) on the surface of the truck.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 26, 2010, 09:04:03 AM
I did have a small piece of good luck this trip, no rain on the way out and ran through the rain when we left Wendover Thursday morning almost all the way to Salt Lake City.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 26, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
Damn Comcast, my Internet has been down so I can't post pictures or video from my phone. should be up and running tomorrow. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 26, 2010, 10:31:38 PM
In the first run the data logger didn't get turned on, but we did get our only video.  We may have been going faster in the first run than the second.  In the video(so I've heard not seen yet) it showed that JL222 shut down before the 2 and still got a 1/4 speed of 270.  I need to collect the SD card and post it asap. :cheers:

   After the 2 but before the 21/4 :-) We did run 5 mph faster on 1st run in the new 2 mile time than on the 280 21/4 and 294 3 mile run.
  It gets a bit confusing with the new 1st mile traveled to 2nd mile time, but I like having that time.

                         JL222

  Correction on 5 mph faster on first run it was 9 mph :-o Found out today after closer look. We tuned it right down :roll:
 Actually we new it wasn't 100 % as after adjusting the valves [ no stretching this year as lash was bigger not smaller]
we took a compression test and 2 cyl were only at 50 psi but dykes rings must expand and seal up cyl to still run as well as it did.

  These are the times between the 1st mile traveled and 2nd mile traveled     1st run....mile 2     [246.686]  21/4    271.818  shut off right after interring 3rd mile on 1st run.                                                        2nd run    mile2     [237.607]   21/4   280..513
 
 Troy tried posting video from my computer but computer went off line :cry: 

    JL222

               

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 27, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
The new GoPro is much clearer than my old helmet cam that I use for my dirt bike riding.  I'll post it as soon as my cable is repaired. :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 27, 2010, 05:14:07 PM
MAN, I wish I could get my cable repaired.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 27, 2010, 10:51:38 PM
You gotta break  it first  :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 28, 2010, 12:00:27 AM
MAN, I wish I could get my cable repaired.

FREUD

  Just like a government worker never works when supposed to :-)

 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 29, 2010, 02:13:40 PM
I have a few pictures from my phone that I can download to the site.  Seems like every other year we have issues with our trailer tires.  After losing two on the road we replaced all four and a spare, we had no choice but to spend the night in Elko and wait for the tire shop to open at seven. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tire1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tire2.jpg)

We only made two passes this year (great ones) and the vibration in the engine/car made our front window get these mini cracks in it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/windowcracks.jpg)

A few pictures of the car on the salt, we packed up and left the next day.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carpassside.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carfront.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cardriverside.jpg)

I have some pictures of the storm we went thru, and I'll post them later.  Here is a picture in Tonapah after we went thru the storm.  The picture is out of the hotel window.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tonapah.jpg)

More pictures and video to come. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 29, 2010, 02:44:54 PM
I gotta wonder what we're doing right/wrong.  We've had one tire go bad in the past ten years, and the round-trip tow is about 3,800 miles.  That one that went bad was faulty on the trailer when we bought the rig -- was a tubeless tire that the previous owner had tried to get away with putting a tube in it when it got a hole.  Eventually the tube's valve stem got snapped off and the air escaped.

But not tire trouble otherwise.  Nothing special about the tires we use-- no nitrogen fills, no covering them from the winter sun, no jacking them off the ground for the off-season.  About the only thing not standard is that we use ten ply when eight ply is spec'd -- or eight when six was called for, etc.  But that's it.

Good for us -- and I guess I'm saying that I'm not going to ask anyone for advice -- whatever I'm doing is working.

Back to the car -- great photos.  The car is sharp looking in a garage, but on the salt -- the dark red just flat works.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 29, 2010, 03:00:22 PM
John,

What kind of lift and duration does you cam have? You can PM me if you want.
Thanks.


SSS,

Food for thought on trailer tires. Some people are starting to think that trailers that have torsion axles are more prone to tire failure than those with standard leaf springs. Reason? Torsion axles don't distribute the load as well to all the tires, therefore sometimes overloading a tire. Example: speed bumps, going in and out of driveways etc.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 29, 2010, 07:04:31 PM
So you got me to thinking -- that I don't remember how the trailer axles are suspended.  A couple of minutes to walk out to the driveway and stick my head underneath -- and what did I find but torsion bar suspension.  Lots of crud, a few funky-looking electrical connectors, some hanging cables -- and torsion bar axles. 

Okay -- I'll be pretty careful from now on to observe everything that goes on back at the trailer, if for no other reason that I guess my trailer is a problem waiting to happen.  Unh, mmm, I am pretty careful about turning at low speeds and hitting speed bumps and curbs, though -- I wonder if maybe that's helping, if only a little here, a little there.

But -- wasn't this thread about the Langlo car?  If I find it necessary to talk about my trailer I'll go find my own place.  Thanks for the hints, though. . .
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 29, 2010, 08:44:09 PM
weight and speed might have something to do with it
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 29, 2010, 09:01:13 PM
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tonapah.jpg)
Here is a picture in Tonapah after we went thru the storm.
I can't hear that name without thinking of Lowell George and Little Feat...

I've Been From Tuscon to Tucumcari
Tehachapi to Tonapah
Driven Every Kind of Rig That's Ever Been Made
Now I Driven the Back Roads So I Wouldn't Get Weighed
And If You Give Me: Weed, Whites, and Wine
And You Show Me a Sign

I'll Be Willin', to Be Movin'
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 30, 2010, 12:02:24 AM
weight and speed might have something to do with it

  Speed :-o  not us the limit is 70 in Nevada and you have to go a little faster than that to keep from being blown off the road by truckers :-)
  Tires were rated at over 11,000 lbs. car weighs less than 5,000 + trailer and maybe 400 lbs more and 70 lbs psi in tires, 6 PLY though. Now we have 10 ply [rated] actual 7 ply [ beggars can't be choosey in the middle of Nevada] but we think a lot of the problem is coming over Donner Pass on I 80 as the road gets chewed up by snow chains in the winter and beat up by trucks all the time. Going different way next time.


                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 30, 2010, 12:09:24 AM
John,

What kind of lift and duration does you cam have? You can PM me if you want.
Thanks.


SSS,

Food for thought on trailer tires. Some people are starting to think that trailers that have torsion axles are more prone to tire failure than those with standard leaf springs. Reason? Torsion axles don't distribute the load as well to all the tires, therefore sometimes overloading a tire. Example: speed bumps, going in and out of driveways etc.

Tom G.

   Geeze Tom you gota Know everything :-)  Why you want to know?

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 30, 2010, 12:19:37 AM
weight and speed might have something to do with it

we think a lot of the problem is coming over Donner Pass on I 80 as the road gets chewed up by snow chains in the winter and beat up by trucks all the time. Going different way next time.

                 

I rode my Hayabusa over Donner Pass on the I-80 last month and thought I was going to kill myself. I don't ever recall getting that much feedback through the bars in all my years of riding. Definatley a bad a chewed up piece of road.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 30, 2010, 12:45:34 AM

   Geeze Tom you gota Know everything :-)  Why you want to know?

            JL222

LOL. NO. I was just thinking about what happened at Speedweek a year ago, and started wondering how the cam is affecting you valves. Without going into a long explanation (of lift, duration, valve spring pressure, ramp style, lifter type, etc.) that is it in a nutshell. LOL.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 30, 2010, 08:13:18 PM
As far as we know the heads worked great, when we lashed the valves they were loose which is a good sign.  We will take the engine apart late September to find out why the piston skirts failed. :?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 30, 2010, 08:37:05 PM
JL222.........Tom knows everything except where any individual part is in his storage area.

If it's in the house he knows where it is because he has stumbled over it.

His inventory software failed him.

CRS program is replacing his failed software. He tried to replace all of it with LOST IN SPACE v34.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 30, 2010, 11:56:08 PM
You talk about CRS, I can't even remember what it is. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 31, 2010, 12:07:24 AM
JL222.........Tom knows everything except where any individual part is in his storage area.

If it's in the house he knows where it is because he has stumbled over it.

His inventory software failed him.

CRS program is replacing his failed software. He tried to replace all of it with LOST IN SPACE v34.

FREUD

FrEuD,

SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH. Don't let the cat out of the bag. Someone might hear you.  :-o :-D

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 31, 2010, 09:55:09 PM
We can watch our only in car video, but I need to learn how to edit it on quick time.  Anyone use this program or any other program for the gopro? :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 03, 2010, 04:22:35 PM
Ok, here it is..... What a pain this video was to find the correct software to edit it, and all along I ended up using my daughters computer which had the software already built in.  Great Christmas gift from her family to her/me. :-D

Anyway, this is our first run and only video :cry: that I have for this year at Bonneville.  We ran to about the 2 and shut down soon there after, we went 270 in the 1/4, but we were going faster on this run than the following run the next day when we went 294 mph at the 3.  You will see water pour out of a water vent tube for the intercooler in which we did move later and need to modify still.  The GoPro takes a much better video than we have been using.  Hope you enjoy. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on September 03, 2010, 04:52:09 PM
Oh Yea!   :cheers:

That sure starts easily and idles well.  I think I will watch it again full screen with my helmet on!  :-D

Yes, a catch can is needed.

Thanks for sharing.  Glad it is to the point you can make some fast runs.

Geo
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 04, 2010, 12:51:22 PM
 
  Well, everybody heard Bvillrcr remind me to turn on data logger [ didn't] :roll: and other data logger which has a longer recording time didn't work either. Wish they had as this run was 9 mph faster in the new 2 mile traveled time than our time later that day when we had a 280.51 21/4 time.
  
 I really like the 1/4 mile flags as it helps to see were shifting occurs, but different colors than mile markers
would help. I'm sure SCTA will work it out.

  In the video I shut off just at the end of 2 miles traveled and start of 3rd mile and the 21/4 mile marker goes by
a few seconds later.

                 JL222

P.S. driver does't have to worry about turning on data logger anymore, crew moved it to out side :-D

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 04, 2010, 09:39:41 PM
We also learned that 100lbs of ice isn't enough for one run. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on September 04, 2010, 10:30:08 PM
NICE :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 05, 2010, 12:32:06 AM
How many drinks can you make with 100 # of ice?

Just turn the data recorders on before u start mixing.

That's serious drinkin'.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 05, 2010, 01:31:11 AM
Freud I have a little video that I will try to post tomorrow about our car and drinking. :-D.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 05, 2010, 01:37:09 AM
Freud I have a little video that I will try to post tomorrow about our car and drinking. :-D.

  Did we have a video of drinking keystone from the intercooler?

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 05, 2010, 12:56:40 PM
Yes, but there were some background talking.  I'll post it later. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 05, 2010, 07:43:58 PM
How many drinks can you make with 100 # of ice?

Just turn the data recorders on before u start mixing.

That's serious drinkin'.

FREUD

We could fit a lot in our cooler if we wanted to, but we only had two left. :? 

We were messing around and were going to put two beers in our intercooler if we switched to a fuel class to say we ran alcohol, we changed our mind and did it while we were running gas.  Maybe we can get a Keystone sponsorship?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHwPXqr0h0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 05, 2010, 08:07:22 PM
How many drinks can you make with 100 # of ice?

Just turn the data recorders on before u start mixing.

That's serious drinkin'.

FREUD

We could fit a lot in our cooler if we wanted to, but we only had two left. :? 

We were messing around and were going to put two beers in our intercooler if we switched to a fuel class to say we ran alcohol, we changed our mind and did it while we were running gas.  Maybe we can get a Keystone sponsorship?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHwPXqr0h0

  Kennedy...'' last 2 beers i'm outa here''  :-D

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on September 05, 2010, 09:06:10 PM
OH COME ON GUYS.... you know there's not enough alcohol in Keystone to get you into Fuel Class  :roll:
Couple of great videos,
persistence, persistence, persistence... you guys get it  :wink:
see ya on the salt  8-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 05, 2010, 10:53:36 PM
Stainless........anything other than a sealed tank is FUEL.

Didn't u see the "curly straw" thru the center of the steering shaft?

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 06, 2010, 02:31:56 AM

  Those two beers might be the [WORLDS FASTEST BEERS] 294 mph average in the 1st timed mile and an indicated
 318 mph as top speed. DANG we should have kept those cans :cry:

                         JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on September 06, 2010, 09:29:27 AM
yep, with the authenication video those were starters for an EBay sponsorship...  :roll:

Ferd... I wondered what that was... it looked like at the end that somebody spilled their drink...

Keep up the great work guys...
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 06, 2010, 01:23:09 PM
One of the reasons I put rebuild in ( ) is because most builds are all about rebuilding something to make it better.  We are still evolving. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on September 06, 2010, 11:56:58 PM
I heard that Fred Larsen used to put a few beers on ice in an unused canister in his 'liner and would gulp em down waiting for the crew to pick him up after a run.... Good traditions should continue. But maybe with better beer?????
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 07, 2010, 12:36:30 PM
I heard that Fred Larsen used to put a few beers on ice in an unused canister in his 'liner and would gulp em down waiting for the crew to pick him up after a run.... Good traditions should continue. But maybe with better beer?????

   Depends on whats ''better'' $15.95 for a 30 pack is pretty good and cheep pay for the crew :-D Good thing we had those two beers in the intercooler tank or I wouldn't have had any. Guess I better double the gussell guts crews pay :-P

                       JL222


   KEYSTONE fastest beer in world and taste good too :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 07, 2010, 02:51:22 PM
You know how the government steps in and crushes the civilians........

By now some fly bouy has probably hauled liquid refreshment in his F-22.

LSR just doesn't stand a chance, especially when the BLM lets the pot a s s  miners shorten our lake bed.

FREUD

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 07, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
You know how the government steps in and crushes the civilians........

By now some fly bouy has probably hauled liquid refreshment in his F-22.

LSR just doesn't stand a chance, especially when the BLM lets the pot a s s  miners shorten our lake bed.

FREUD



   Were talking cars and ground Freud 8-)

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on September 07, 2010, 06:18:11 PM
You guys have you priorities set right...............When choosing between expensive beer or a race car part the car always wins out...................KeyStone is just fine as long as your buyn'...........JD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on September 07, 2010, 06:28:13 PM
JD, they can get Polygamy Porter Ale in Utah, The label says when ones not enough and has a bunch of girls on it.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 08, 2010, 12:26:34 AM
JD, they can get Polygamy Porter Ale in Utah, The label says when ones not enough and has a bunch of girls on it.
 :cheers:

I'd like to know where to buy one of those.... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 10, 2010, 11:47:01 AM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 12, 2010, 01:57:57 PM
  In the last video above, the hood rises in the middle because of 4000 cfm air from the supercharger being released by the blowoff valves. Blow off valves release pressurized air when throttles are closed to prevent harm to supercharger impeller. These devices were not invented when we first ran centrifugal blowers [1989].
  Later this week when Bvillercr comes out, we'll attempt to video the FAST. computer data showing the throttle position -shift points-rpm and time during our 280 21/4 and 294 1st timed mile run.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 12, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
I just wish the lake bed could get enough water to make a good surface for November.

Both of you would lose some sleep, but u would be there to run.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 12, 2010, 05:55:28 PM
I just wish the lake bed could get enough water to make a good surface for November.

Both of you would lose some sleep, but u would be there to run.

FREUD

  well.... our AA motor just needs to be taken apart and checked but I believe the short block is ok :-)
  A few years ago 03? it rained like heck in Oct, and trapped some hikers up by Shaver Lake in the Sierra Mts behind me for a week in the snow. Now you got us thinking :-P

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 13, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on September 15, 2010, 08:07:45 AM
Did the motor in the car at speedweek get hurt?
If so I'm quessing it was a smaller motor?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 15, 2010, 12:52:45 PM
Did the motor in the car at speedweek get hurt?
If so I'm quessing it was a smaller motor?

  Evo.... on our 294mph pass just before end of ist timed mile a piston skirt broke this is a 496 cu in A motor. Our old
528 cu in motor is one J and S East Valley Garage in  Montecito Ca repaired for us several years ago out of a Fuel Funny Car [ left front corner blown off]

  We will be tearing the engine apart later this month to see exactly what and why.

                   JL222

                                 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 24, 2010, 04:27:09 PM
 Just talked to Bvillercr, we'll be tearing the engine apart to see the damage. :-(

 Troy don't forget your cameras.

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 02:15:20 PM
JL222....your score card is climbing.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 25, 2010, 08:12:23 PM

  The pistons are out 4, good ones 2 middle rings stuck I really bad 1 bad but not as bad as #1.

   Bvillercr will post pics later. Looks like part of problem is piston not thick enough where oil ring was machined.
   Pin was still free in piston that was destroyed and bearings looked good.

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 25, 2010, 08:47:46 PM
Power is off at my house, I'm at the inlaws watching my Bulldogs lose.  I'll post later if I can. :cheers:

ps.  The piston is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2010, 12:11:25 AM
We definately had a few bad pistons.  This first one isn't too bad, but not usable.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston3.jpg)

Same one on the inside.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston4.jpg)

without the rod

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston5.jpg)

This last piston we think is the result of what started to happen to the first piston in the photo.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston1.jpg)

you can see the top starting to split where the intake valve relief is, on the right.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston2.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on September 26, 2010, 11:08:34 AM
HOLY MOLY !!!!

What type of pistons are those?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on September 26, 2010, 11:13:04 AM
HOLY MOLY !!!!

What type of pistons are those?
Melted
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: joea on September 26, 2010, 11:45:01 AM
...granite topped work bench.....sweet...:)..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 26, 2010, 12:07:38 PM
...granite topped work bench.....sweet...:)..

  Looks like granite but formica and cabinets from Home Depot all assembled and installed by yours truly :-)
  If it was granite I would have the car up and running at Cooks meet :-)

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 26, 2010, 12:27:23 PM

  We don't want to put all the blame on the piston as checking this morning the top of piston with the oil ring
pushing through is sunken, showing signs of detonation, also a salty taste and look on residue and oil inside of manifold and gasket between head and manifold. A little salt residue at intake of blower. I don't think the salt
is as big a problem as the oil because I've read were they used salt water in the water injection of WW11 air planes in the South Pacific when fresh water was short.
 

                         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2010, 12:34:00 PM
We definately had a few bad pistons.  This first one isn't too bad, but not usable.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston3.jpg)

Same one on the inside.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston4.jpg)

without the rod

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston5.jpg)

This last piston we think is the result of what started to happen to the first piston in the photo.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston1.jpg)

you can see the top starting to split where the intake valve relief is, on the right.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston2.jpg)

I hate when you cant see pictures of what people are talking about, so here's another shot. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 26, 2010, 07:04:10 PM
John and Troy,
Looking at your second picture, the crack that we see is showing what the true thickness of the piston is at the valve pocket? If so I would certainly agree you need some more thickness in that area. I am sure you are having a "heart to heart" with your piston manufacture. Let us know his thinking as to what changes should be made.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 27, 2010, 12:30:09 AM
  Yea Rex ....I always thought it was a little thin there about .160 thou not much room in these long stroke
engines to fit every thing in. We don't have near the lift that the top alcohol guys use so will have to check that they didn't get carried away on cutting the piston for valve clearance. I know we had plenty but didn't write the number down. I think I'll put a good piston in put a light valve spring in and recheck before we take it apart any further. The valves didn't hit the piston last year and we really stretched them so we might have to much.


                      JL222

  REX...I'm talking about 2ND pic from bottom, 2nd from top is looking at oil ring pushing through inside of piston where skirt tapers to soon.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: pookie on September 28, 2010, 09:45:45 PM
 Hi Jl222, After looking at the damage to those pistons, man that's really bad news!!!!   It has taken me a couple of days of looking at the photos of the damage before I wrote this query too you. May I take the liberty of a couple comments and have you elaborate on them ,if you would be so kind..In the 2&3 pictures of the underside of the pistons I can't see any pin oiling holes in the piston pin boss.. I also can not see oiling holes in the small end of the rod...Am I just missing them or is this something new that the piston mfg is doing to blower pistons. I was also wondering if the crack in the oil ring land, is it running or connected in anyway to the gas port holes usually found drilled in the oil ring land?? What was the firing order of those pistons?? I am trying to remember what make engine you are using...  I am not trying to stick my nose in your business, so I thought I would give it a shot and ask... Thanks for your time.... Mike R.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 29, 2010, 02:52:03 AM
  Pookie... 1st the oil hole in the ring land is over an inch away and there is no conection with break. The piston
company that did machining is not same as manufacture. instead of holes in rod bosses they use the holes in oil
ring land to intersect a hole inside of pin hole one on each side with a relief cut between holes. Rods have oil hole in top and pin still slides freely in rod and piston in top 3 pics. Engine is KB Chrysler Hemi, firing order [ if I remember right]  is 18436572
 Checking things closer today I think part of the problem was trying to get 8.5 compression which resulted in rings being machined  to close to support inside of piston.

 Hard to explain but picture a normal stack of 3 rings with piston top 1/4 in above top ring, to increase compression
they move piston up say 1/4 more inch, now 1/2 from ring,  resulting in less support inside piston were forging goes from thick to thin

                            JL222
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 29, 2010, 09:50:10 PM
 
 WOW...the top of the page :-)
 Went to Joe Bogoshian's today and saw some top fuel pistons [much thicker skirts] and he says the even newer models are seperatihg the ring stacks more by putting the oil ring in the middle of the pin button :-o
  Looks like we will be going in that direction and also hard anodizing the piston.
 Also found out KB [our block and sleeve supplier is still in business [ closed for a while but reopened] good news, but our rod supplier ''Brooks is out :x
  Also went to Presion Auto and decided to richen the motor a bit, back off on timing and add 1 more  O2 sensor
and check and flow injectors for any problems.

                           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 30, 2010, 11:42:45 AM
John,
I see that you are using aluminum rods, what are your reasons for going with aluminum over a set of steel rods like Carillo?  I know that fuel motor guys like the aluminum rod for their ability to adsorb shock, which can be pretty big in a fuel motor but most of the other racing categories use some sort of steel rod especially motors with big turbos or blowers, similar to yours.

Just interested in your reasons as I know you do all of your "projects" with lost of sound engineering thinking.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 30, 2010, 01:50:41 PM
 
  Rex.. One reason is shock and weight but I don't know what a Carrillo rod weighs, but Joe showed me one he had made for an Offy that seemed pretty heavy, the other reason is cost and these rods give us no problems. Now that brooks is gone the cost for rods is more.

 Yesterday at Joe Bogoshian's shop he had an Arden V8-60 [extremely rare] he was finishing up making it to period looks with copper fuel lines and 4 #81 Stromberg carbs. It was mounted on a nice roll around engine stand and the owner wants to be able to fire it up when visitors come to his museum.

        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 05, 2010, 12:09:26 AM
Saturday we took the trans and engine out.  We also disassembled the clutch and fly wheel and got the block on the engine stand.  Most of the hard work is done, we need to check the cam and make sure it wasn't damage, get the crank out and polished and then work on getting the stuborn sleeves out. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on October 05, 2010, 01:48:27 AM
Rex, Ray Therat has drilled correct gammar into me in the past 16 months.

I am now acting as a "teacher", make that a professor..........

QUOTING YOU,

"Just interested in your reasons as I know you do all of your "projects" with lost of sound engineering thinking."

You have made a grievous error in that sentence.

It is "that they do all of your "projects" with lost of sound engine hearing ".

I think a better statement would be, "  you do all of your "projects" with LOTS of sound engineering thinking."

Now don't you feel better already?  I no I dodo.

Tolerate the misguided old College Prof and continue to show your respect for a talented pair of racers.

I'd be honored to be questioned in a constructive manner by you.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 05, 2010, 12:47:29 PM

  Looks like Rex's fingers got ahead of themselve's :-P
 
             JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on October 05, 2010, 02:33:15 PM
I know the syndrome well. It's very similar to crossed plug wires and becomes stronger with age. :evil: :evil: :evil: :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 16, 2010, 02:59:02 PM

  I think I found part of our piston problem. After reviewing our data log there is a lean spot at partial throttle in the lower gears. Now were deciding on style of piston [much heavier top fuel type] and which rod company to use.
 Also would like to use rifle drilled rods, anybody doing that?


                  JL222


                         
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on October 16, 2010, 07:26:30 PM
yep    EDM process
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 16, 2010, 08:35:22 PM
yep    EDM process

  I should have said is anybody using rifle drilled rods and how are they working out as far as cooling piston crowns and oil pressure.
   
   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on October 16, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
To take care of the piston crowns I am using piston squirtters--I was told the EDM rods were primarially for the wrist pins when using vacum pumps---I believe in using anything that can help move and/or remove the heat
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on October 19, 2010, 09:43:57 AM
 Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on October 19, 2010, 10:16:04 AM
Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.

Really? Why? Would a coating have stopped this damage? If you have any insight I'd like to hear or see it.
Thanks. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 19, 2010, 11:17:34 AM
Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.

  The piston skirts were coated up to ring lands and were looking to anodize the entire piston next time.
 
              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on October 19, 2010, 01:57:59 PM
Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.

Really? Why? Would a coating have stopped this damage? If you have any insight I'd like to hear or see it.
Thanks. :cheers:

 Well for starters I didn't say it would have stopped the damage. It's just a pretty popular thing to do for highly boosted engines and helps resist damage from detonation. Looks like JL222 is already on it though :)   Didn't mean to offend anyone. I know some folks are anti coating and no amount of coating can prevent meltdown like that but I figured I would mention it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on October 19, 2010, 03:13:06 PM
Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.

Really? Why? Would a coating have stopped this damage? If you have any insight I'd like to hear or see it.
Thanks. :cheers:

 Well for starters I didn't say it would have stopped the damage. It's just a pretty popular thing to do for highly boosted engines and helps resist damage from detonation. Looks like JL222 is already on it though :)   Didn't mean to offend anyone. I know some folks are anti coating and no amount of coating can prevent meltdown like that but I figured I would mention it.


Easy Joe, were all just learning here. I'm not offended, and I didn't say you said  :-D. I just thought you might have some more or new info.
If we want I think there's already a coating thread someplace 'round here..........
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on October 19, 2010, 03:23:42 PM
Sorry. Didn't mean much by it. Just seemed like you made an assumption based on my comment. No worries.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on October 19, 2010, 03:35:43 PM
jl- - - I definately do not abuse an engine like you do, but because the stock GMC has rifle drilled oil holes to the pins I did it in ones I had made.  Could be that GMC trucks were made to be abused pushing those trash trucks around all day.

I have always liked the top ring 3/8" down from the top and never lost a piston doing this. The oil ring was in the pin hole.

When I had new pistons made this last year the manufacturer and I went round and round over ring placement. He liked .200" and I said no way. We compromised at a number that has the oil ring above the pin hole. The oil ring land also feeds the pin and the hole in the top of the rod could do some cooling spray to the bottom of the piston since it is pressurized...not sure on that but it can't hurt. Good luck...JD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 19, 2010, 06:39:13 PM

  JD... surprised more racers don't do it, and trying to figure out why. to oil the rifle bore do you drill a hole in
upper rod bearing? I understand that some of the top fuel pistons have the oil ring in the middle of the pin now,
allowing for more spacing between rings. We'll be looking into that design for our new pistons but worried about
the extra weight of a top fuel piston slinging around for 5 miles.
  We might be better off going for only 3 or 4 :roll:

                     JL222



 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on October 19, 2010, 07:18:13 PM
yep    EDM process

  I should have said is anybody using rifle drilled rods and how are they working out as far as cooling piston crowns and oil pressure.
   
   JL222

I have never heard of rifle drilled aluminum rods for pin oiling. Has anyone? since I think that is what John uses. I know it is real popular with steel rods.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 12, 2010, 02:52:48 PM
yep    EDM process

  I should have said is anybody using rifle drilled rods and how are they working out as far as cooling piston crowns and oil pressure.
   
   JL222

I have never heard of rifle drilled aluminum rods for pin oiling. Has anyone? since I think that is what John uses. I know it is real popular with steel rods.

Tom G.

  I have learned that rifle drilling is mainly for wrist pin oiling and looking at Carrillo's site they offer drilling the rod at the cap for piston head cooling where squirters are not used but there steel rods not aluminum.
  I like the info on Bill Miller rods as they are forged from billet stock not just machined from billet stock.
 Still researching pistons and start ordering at first of year.
  I thing Al Teague switched to chrome moly rods after having rod problems but we haven't had problems with Brook's rods,except we can't get them now.

                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 12, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
That sounds like a pretty serious problem to me 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 12, 2010, 11:18:16 PM
That sounds like a pretty serious problem to me 

  Aluminum rods have improved over the years.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on November 12, 2010, 11:41:55 PM
Have you looked at getting the rods made in 7068 (Tennalum) ballistic aluminum? I know there at least two cars on the salt with rods made of this stuff. At one time Kaiser Aluminum who makes this stuff was looking for people to run it on the salt. Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 13, 2010, 01:16:14 PM
Have you looked at getting the rods made in 7068 (Tennalum) ballistic aluminum? I know there at least two cars on the salt with rods made of this stuff. At one time Kaiser Aluminum who makes this stuff was looking for people to run it on the salt. Tony

  Sounds interesting what's it like compared to 7075-T6?
  Bill Miller rods used to be made of 7075 but they changed in 1996 to an aluminum developed by Alcoa for Boeing which is lighter and 15% stronger and independent testing shows their forged billet rods 45% stronger than machined billets.

                            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 28, 2010, 11:25:13 PM
Looks like our road to rebuilding just got longer.  We need 8 new rods, pistons and sleeves, (possibly a cam), 4 new policarbinate windows, and a head and neck restraint system.  A lot to do before El Mirage, maybe we'll race only at Bonneville this year?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 29, 2010, 01:20:17 AM
Looks like our road to rebuilding just got longer.  We need 8 new rods, pistons and sleeves, (possibly a cam), 4 new policarbinate windows, and a head and neck restraint system.  A lot to do before El Mirage, maybe we'll race only at Bonneville this year?

  And....rear electrical shutoff -redo door net mounts. Roll bar diagonal  braces are 5 7/8 in long though
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bobqzzi on December 19, 2010, 12:16:43 AM
Sorry about the damage.  Have you looked into oil squirters for the undersides of the pistons? They can make a tremendous difference in piston temperatures. For something with such a large piston and such harsh use, 2 or 3 per piston would be best.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 19, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
Sorry about the damage.  Have you looked into oil squirters for the undersides of the pistons? They can make a tremendous difference in piston temperatures. For something with such a large piston and such harsh use, 2 or 3 per piston would be best.

  I've thought about it for years I read an article about a turboed chevy in a drag Datson years ago that claimed a bunch of temperature drop [still havn't figured out how he measured it] but he claimed it helped alot and I guess some Diesels have them
 I've been waiting for the top fuel guys to do it and then copy them but not sure how to do it and it seems I would need an oil
cooler as the oil gets hot as is. Not sure if piston heat is our problem as the underside of piston shows no sign of heat but squirters should help as insurance also.
  Any ideas where to look?

               JL222

                 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bobqzzi on December 19, 2010, 12:51:43 PM
Many OEM engines come with them- most turbo 4 import engines, some northstar V8s, all diesels. All Nextel Cup cars F1,and LeMans cars as well- and none of those have the kind of 90 sec WOT runs you do.
The oil cools the bottom of the piston which in turn keeps the top of the piston from melting which looks like what happened.
There are basically 4 ways to do it:
1. A hole drilled in the big end of the rod with coresponding hole in the bearing. This is tough because of the timing and requires the rod oil feed hole be in the correct place.  Not really an option unless you are willing to do a new crank and rods.
2. Imports come with little banjo type squirters with the fixing bolt acting as a pressure relief valve which stays closed until 25psi or so. these are usually tapped into the main galley.  These are commonly available, but adapting them to an exisiting engine V8 could be a major issue. You can searc piston oilers on ebay to see some of these.  Here are some Nascar ones http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/8-Billet-Aluminum-Piston-Squirter-Oilers-Set-NASCAR-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a0c805283QQitemZ180598362755QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
3. Holes are drilled into the main saddle which connect to the back of the main bearing- small orifice/check valves are then inserted.  this may be the best option. Mike Laws at BLP.com used to offer a kit for SBC that I think were like this- I don't see it anymore though, I PM'd him to see what was up  http://www.blp.com/pdf/NP2006.pdf
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16264&hilit=piston+and+oiler
4. External piping systems- these can take several forms- just a series of pipes inside the block or built into the pan. This just require the right parts and some patience I think
You mentioned needing an oil cooler- I'm kind of surprised you don't already have one. I think the best bet for a bville car is to use one of the many oil/water ones available and just plumb it into your existing engine cooling system they are cheap, compact and efficient
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 19, 2010, 02:51:31 PM
 
  Thanks bobqzzi

  Will be calling BLP

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Blue on December 19, 2010, 06:49:46 PM
Sorry about the damage.  Have you looked into oil squirters for the undersides of the pistons? They can make a tremendous difference in piston temperatures. For something with such a large piston and such harsh use, 2 or 3 per piston would be best.
Any data on oil squirters and flow rates vs. or in combination with ceramic TBC's on the piston crown?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bobqzzi on December 19, 2010, 07:16:49 PM
Sorry about the damage.  Have you looked into oil squirters for the undersides of the pistons? They can make a tremendous difference in piston temperatures. For something with such a large piston and such harsh use, 2 or 3 per piston would be best.
Any data on oil squirters and flow rates vs. or in combination with ceramic TBC's on the piston crown?

I do not.  I recall seeing some VAG data on the efficacy of squirters, but have long since lost it.

In my opinion, in a Bonneville application a TBC barrier would be useless.  They only slow the transfer of heat and after 90 secs of WOT I don't think there would be much reduction. Further, I often wonder if the piston ends up running hotter because the TBC makes the piston cool slower when the fresh charge comes in.
 But, that's my opinion only, and I can quote no data.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on December 20, 2010, 12:22:12 AM
Personally I don't run oil squirters in my Bonneville engines although my current Dodge engine came with them so are being used at the moment. However I would use them under certain conditions. Mainly if you were pulling a high crankcase vaccum or had a piston that was a long way up the bore on a short stroke engine with a long rod turbocharged engine. A Buick V6 is an example and we still didn't run oil squirters @ 980 hp with 209 cubic inches for 500 miles. This engine had a very short stroke and a long 6.800" rod.
 Running a blown gas engine with the correct piston crown, ring placement, piston skirt cam grind, barrel shape, ring size, cooling system, fuel system, etc can/will dictate overall success IMO.
I also do not run any skirt, dome, or chamber coatings as my testing tells me that I'm trying to transfer the heat of combustion that's not used for work into the cooling system and exhaust. And I've not seen any power in endurance applications. YMMV.

Here is some information on how the measure different piston temperatures etc. on a running engine.

http://www.engineering.leeds.ac.uk/ietsi/ResearchEngine.shtml
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 20, 2010, 01:06:34 AM
Just a note about the time that John and Troy are at WOT. At the speeds they are running I doubt that they are at WOT much longer than 60 seconds, even to the 5 mile.

John, what does your data logger tell you?

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 20, 2010, 03:51:21 AM
Just a note about the time that John and Troy are at WOT. At the speeds they are running I doubt that they are at WOT much longer than 60 seconds, even to the 5 mile.

John, what does your data logger tell you?

Rex

  I wish we could run full throttle all the time [working on it] :-D
 
 On our 294 mph run 1st gear 6100 rpm 10 sec max throttle 30% ....2nd 7450 rpm whoops 13 sec max tps 44%
 3rd  7100 rpm 12.3 sec max tps 50%... 4th gear 7000 rpm 17 sec tps 100%   Total time on gas 52.3 sec for 3 miles
except for short push off. Top speed 318 mph figuring 1 inch tire growth with no further increase in speed thats 11.32 sec
per mile or 22.64 sec + 52.3= 75 sec for the full 5 miles. full throttle on that run to end would have been about 40sec.

                      JL222


 

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bobqzzi on December 20, 2010, 09:15:52 PM
I got a reply from Mike Laws

Bob:

Yes we are still selling piston oilers. I am out of the office all week, but please call 1-800-624-1358 and ask for Joe or Mark.

Thanks.
Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 21, 2010, 03:21:50 PM
Just a note about the time that John and Troy are at WOT. At the speeds they are running I doubt that they are at WOT much longer than 60 seconds, even to the 5 mile.

John, what does your data logger tell you?

Rex

  I wish we could run full throttle all the time [working on it] :-D
 
 On our 294 mph run 1st gear 6100 rpm 10 sec max throttle 30% ....2nd 7450 rpm whoops 13 sec max tps 44%
 3rd  7100 rpm 12.3 sec max tps 50%... 4th gear 7000 rpm 17 sec tps 100%   Total time on gas 52.3 sec for 3 miles
except for short push off. Top speed 318 mph figuring 1 inch tire growth with no further increase in speed thats 11.32 sec
per mile or 22.64 sec + 52.3= 75 sec for the full 5 miles. full throttle on that run to end would have been about 40sec.

                      JL222


 

 


    1st -6100 --108 mph--10 sec max tps 30%    seconds are time in each gear
    2nd-7450--  200         13 sec       tps 44%
    3rd- 7100---256         12.3 sec     tps 50%  tried full throttle at first of 3rd but got loose [ backed off quick] :-)
    4th- 7000-- 318          17 sec       tps ioo%  280 21/4 time  294 3rd mile average time  [between 2nd and 3rd mile]


                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 22, 2010, 01:59:35 AM

  In the above post it should read between the end of 2nd mile traveled and start of 4th mile.
  BNI started timeing in the 2nd mile traveled on the long course traveled this year, so its confusing now to refer
to the 1st mile-2nd mile-or 3rd mile as there is 4 timed miles.
  But I like having that new time :-)


                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 29, 2010, 01:56:11 AM

 After checking the throttle positions and rpms and seconds in gear it only takes 4.2 sec from 6500 rpm [294 mph]
to 7000 rpm [318 mph] on our FAST data logger on our 294 timed run. I have the Bonneville Pro computer program which I input all the data such as hp cd weight gearing ect. which predicts performance with 2400 hp and 341mph and taking 8 sec to go from 6500 to 7000 rpm.
 Next year will see heavier top fuel type pistons new rods and added downforce with a Gurney type flap extending
to max distance of rules with undetermined height for now. This added downforce should allow more throttle in
lower gears.
  On our first run [a tune up run] I shut off at the start of the 3rd mile and had a 271.818 21/4 speed and a
246.68 mph   2 mile speed [ this is the new long course time before the 3 -4 and 5 miles]
 This time is 9.08 mph faster than our 280.513 21/4 and 294 3rd mile run which was [237.60 mph]

        JL222 :cheers: and a happy new year.
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 14, 2011, 10:49:58 PM

  Decided on Bill Miller Engineering top fuel rods as they have a stronger aluminum metal developed for aero industry
and forged out of billet plate instead of just machined from plate. Sent 1 of our Brooks [out of business] rods to him
as he thought he might be able to machine some weight out of his top fuel rods.
 Also sent a piston to look at problem and see what he recommends. But we want 81/2 compression, annodized like his top fuel pistons and dykes ring.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on February 15, 2011, 12:18:18 PM
JL222..........

Nice to see u back.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Avanti Kid on February 17, 2011, 07:18:10 PM
Sounds like your making great engine changes to survive that WOT stage at 300+ mph, I can't wait to see your car on the salt again, take care, Dave  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 19, 2011, 01:34:12 PM
Some parts are in!!

The BME rods is on the right, thicker in some places but hard to see.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BMErods.jpg)

Anodized BME piston

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BMEP2.jpg)

You can see the difference in thickness on the bottom oil ring.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BMEP1.jpg)

On this photo you can see that the BME piston is much thicker at the skirt, and the skirt is a little bit longer.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BMEP3.jpg)

We will be putting one piston in to check to make sure it doesn't hit the head, then take the rest of the engine apart.  Today is a new beginning.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on March 19, 2011, 01:52:40 PM
Those are some nice parts!  :cheers: Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on March 19, 2011, 02:54:11 PM
Now thats a slug to plug a cyl. with. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on March 19, 2011, 05:15:45 PM
I'm sure BME are quality rods but I wonder why you chose aluminum rods? Top Fuel places huge stresses on the rods but only for a VERY short time. Aluminum has a far shorter fatigue life than steel rods. Top Fuel guys throw the aluminum rods away after a few runs.

REgards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 19, 2011, 08:36:20 PM
Niel, the main reason is that there is less shock.  Secondly they weight less and cost less.  Top fuelers have 8k plus HP and big bucks to throw them away after 8 runs.   The billet aluminum rods that we have been using were never the problem, but when we lost a piston it torched the rod.  Now Brooks rods is out of business, so now we went with BME. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on March 19, 2011, 11:47:50 PM
Thanks for the explanation. I'd Zyglo them for cracks every once in a while, though.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 20, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
The slug made an appearance in the block to check clearances.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/slug.jpg)

Now we just need to pull all of the sleeves and get new ones.  Anyone know of a good sleeve puller?

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/block.jpg)

Here is picture of our controversial tire sizes.  Front runners compaired to our wide rear. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tires.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 14, 2011, 10:27:36 AM
The accumulation of parts are a little slow, but we did call Pro Glass and order 3/16 tinted windows all around.  Should be here in 10 days.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on April 14, 2011, 01:16:30 PM
Troy, I know the drag racers just pound them in and out, but I would think that would put unnecessary wear and tear on the block. When we were working on the Indy Car transmissions and uprights we'd put them in an oven and heat them to about 450 degrees if I remember correctly. The bearings would then just drop out or in without putting the wear on the castings. Is it possible to do the same thing with the sleeves?

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on April 14, 2011, 01:27:31 PM
A lot of diesel motors have sleevs. You usually have a puller to get them out but to re-install we pack them in dry ice and the new ones fall in. When they warm up they are solid.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 14, 2011, 04:45:43 PM
Troy, I know the drag racers just pound them in and out, but I would think that would put unnecessary wear and tear on the block. When we were working on the Indy Car transmissions and uprights we'd put them in an oven and heat them to about 450 degrees if I remember correctly. The bearings would then just drop out or in without putting the wear on the castings. Is it possible to do the same thing with the sleeves?

Pete

  Yea Pete we have to heat the block to get the sleeves out,still not easy, and we put the replacements in the freezer :-D This new block has a tighter fit on the sleeves and I notice that the drag race guys have a much bigger hammer [weight] on there slide pullers than ours.Someone makes a puller that cranks them out, Sort of like an Aframe.
  The engine is already hot from the run when they replace the sleeves at the drags.

   JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on April 15, 2011, 12:00:04 AM
Langlos..... it's so good to see u back in action. Steal a weekend and come to

Gas Up.  Last week this month.

First beverage is on me.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 15, 2011, 10:18:23 PM
Langlos..... it's so good to see u back in action. Steal a weekend and come to

Gas Up.  Last week this month.

First beverage is on me.

FREUD

  It was easy to go when I lived 15 miles from there and a lot of fun, have one for me :cheers:

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 05, 2011, 05:59:15 PM
Still collecting parts, windows are in and sleeves need to be ordered. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on May 17, 2011, 11:08:14 AM
Did you guys get your rear window situation worked out? Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 17, 2011, 03:06:53 PM
Did you guys get your rear window situation worked out? Tony

  We have new tinted 3/16'' lexan from [Pro Glass] for all the windows but not installed yet. Front is already lexan but had a bunch of cracks on driver side from 1/8'' to 1/2'' long. All windows are molded to shape and rear is supposed to be factory sized but it measures 1/2'' short from side to side. Front and side windows are oversized
and we have to cut to our windows. The front window is larger than stock because we don't use stock trim but
to get side windows cut to shape they want us to ship our windows to them :?
  Installing new sleeves and starting on windows this week.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 21, 2011, 10:13:17 PM
  A nice gathering here of speed freaks, this is my dads old car club called the Dusters.  

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DSCN0130.jpg)

You may recognize a few people in this one!  Everyone here has gone over 200mph, a couple have gone over three, one has gone over 300 unofficially :-D and one will in the future.  There are three drivers/owners that are the top of their classes at Bonneville, John Langlo(far left), Seth Hammon (middle), Fred Dannenfelzer(sp) :-P(2nd from the right), Arley Langlo on the far right and he is currently building a streamliner which could go over 400.  Second from the left is Arley's brother Eddie and he was at one time running a studebacker with Arley up until the late 80's and early 90's.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DSCN0131.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 22, 2011, 12:15:39 AM
Ok, we did get a few things done on the car today!!!

The sleeves are always a pain in the butt to get out!  This is how the amature racer does it. :oops:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/photo_31.jpg)

This is what can happen to the amature racer when he forgets to move his finger out of the way.  It didn't hurt too bad. :evil:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/photo_11.jpg)

We got them all out pretty quickly, although not Top Fuel style. :mrgreen:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/photo_21.jpg)

We also started taking the windows out.  The drivers side window was a pain in the rear to get out!!  The front window was a little easier but just a little.  It is nice to see some of the little things that the builders of this chasis did for us.  The spacing of the front window was very well done, now we have to try to match them. :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/frtwindow.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 22, 2011, 01:09:21 PM
 A nice gathering here of speed freaks, this is my dads old car club called the Dusters.  

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DSCN0130.jpg)

You may recognize a few people in this one!  Everyone here has gone over 200mph, a couple have gone over three, one has gone over 300 unofficially :-D and one will in the future.  There are three drivers/owners that are the top of their classes at Bonneville, John Langlo(far left), Seth Hammon (middle), Fred Dannenfelzer(sp) :-P(2nd from the right), Arley Langlo on the far right and he is currently building a streamliner which could go over 400.  Second from the left is Arley's brother Eddie and he was at one time running a studebacker with Arley up until the late 80's and early 90's.

  A few more Bville Dusters are Lawrence Johnson and Glen Chambers currently involved and three that passed away recently
Sonny Caster, David Carroll and Dick Griffin, Dick and Dave were also  2 club members.
  The Dusters were a hot rod car club of the fifties and sixties with about 25 members at any one time. We had different club
cars that we drag raced + our own cars.
 
                       JL222
 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DSCN0131.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 30, 2011, 12:21:14 PM
Working on the windows on this day, took the passenger side window out and cutting and fitting the front window.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cuttingwindow.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/fittingwindow.jpg)

Today we will be installing the sleeves, on my up there in a few. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 31, 2011, 12:36:52 AM
Putting in sleeves is a bit of a process for us.  Mom thought she was getting this new fridge for food?

Wrong!!  Today we needed it more, yep we put them in there to shrink the metal just a bit.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/freezer.jpg)

After the sleeve freeze for an hour or so, we take one out and defrost the top and bottom so we can apply just a little silicone :roll:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/silicone.jpg)

We heat the block up for awhile so it can expand some, and silicone the top and bottom of the cylinder at the o-ring housing.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/siliconeblk.jpg)

Line up the sleeve in the correct position and hope it doesn't rotate when you smack it! :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hammerblk.jpg)

Just a little mess to clean before we secure it down with a couple sockets and a nut.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/finishedblk.jpg)

A bottom view of a nicely sealed cylinders.  Damn thing better not leak this time!!! :evil:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bottomblk.jpg)

Main caps are in and the block is now ready to go the machine shop and get bored.  Main bolts center: trq to 120, sides trq to 80

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/mains.jpg)





Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 04, 2011, 10:32:14 PM
Working on the windows today, we got the deck lid off.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8bca07b9.jpg)

This picture shows the frame work that we took off the glass window and now siliconed onto the plexi window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/adea35cb.jpg)

Front window has been custom fitted and intercooler hole cut.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/78167de2.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/04022477.jpg)

Getting closer, next week we will get the spoiler mounted on the window and get it functional again.  Lot to do!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 11, 2011, 10:52:17 AM
Video update time.  Every once in a while I will post our old videos so they are found fairly easy.  Not sure how many pages between each posting on this build diary but seemes like it has been a while. :mrgreen:


El Mirage Nov. 08 sunday

http://youtu.be/NJZbf4_IUeo

same run but inside view.

http://youtu.be/L8BabM070vc

El Mirage Nov. 08 saturday.  I was a bit more aggressive on this first run. :|

http://youtu.be/mHUEA-pScY8

same run inside view

http://youtu.be/Udo7XM472Qk

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 11, 2011, 11:11:09 AM
Dyno session in the late night/morning hours.

http://youtu.be/iJApvHuDpL0

We did some tuning during the day time too.

http://youtu.be/8ksf9rHChFM

results for previous pull.

http://youtu.be/DFcpyvs5na4

Bonneville speed week 09.  This is what happens when you don't clutch it when the wheels get loose in the lower gears. :-D BTW: this is not me. :-D

http://youtu.be/N_CEUEoBgq8

Bonneville speed week 10.  First GoPro video, much better quality.  Shake down pass 270mph

http://youtu.be/kLG0JFzazrs

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on June 13, 2011, 09:13:44 PM
Hey Troy,

Are you guys planning to run at El Mirage this year, or are you running Bonneville only?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 14, 2011, 12:11:30 AM
If we/car can survive Bonneville this year we will run El Mirage in November.  We have too much to do To the car before Bonneville to make any meets prior. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 20, 2011, 12:01:53 AM
Front window is mounted and just needs each screw to be counter sunk so it is flush to the window. 

Getting the spoiler ready for a window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/65973bee.jpg)

Drilling the holes that attach the spoiler to the window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/eab3b033.jpg)

Finally have the deck lid window mounted.  Just have to place a few fasteners through the window in a couple strategic areas to make sure the window stays attached to the car.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/14f60c51.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on June 20, 2011, 01:09:39 AM
WOW!!! That looks REALLY good!!! GREAT job!!!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 20, 2011, 11:06:37 AM
We will check today and see if we can pick up our parts.  The block has been bored, just waiting on the crank and heads to be finished.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Livin1072 on June 20, 2011, 12:48:56 PM
Wow I'm caught up on all 97 pages  :-D

Congrats on your documented process of overcoming obstacles that offten detour the most ambitious goal chasers!! 

After running numerous payment events I'm excited about running on the salt this year!!  Thank you for the motivation displayed through your dedication to achieve.   :cheers:

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 20, 2011, 03:01:20 PM

  Thanks Livin...I guess being stuborn helps :-D We always thought we were on the right track using centrifugal superchargers but we have had our problems using two. When Procharger came out with the
4000 cfm F3-R39 it solved that problem as we now can just run one.
  Hopefully with our new top fuel type pistons and some fine tuning it will hold together and make a couple of 300 mph + recorded times.
  Stop by at speedweek.

                         JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 21, 2011, 09:11:46 PM
Killer job on the rear window - heck, the whole darned car.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 22, 2011, 07:56:59 PM
Had a little set back today.  The heads we have been running since 92 are no longer good.  The heat we created last year got the beat of them! :evil:  we are seating for new ones that have the stock dimensions valve length and manifold bolt pattern amongst many other variables.  Hopefully we can get heads without having to replace the manifold. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 26, 2011, 01:58:17 AM
We got a few things done today.  Since the front window isn't 100% finished, I took the window out and prepped the dash for a fresh coat of paint.  Today we did get our passenger side lexan installed.  Here is a look at how we traced and cut the lexan.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/43677aaf.jpg)

The finished piece with the window track installed.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/71dba716.jpg)

Window installed minus the brackets we will use to hold the window in place.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5ee8d4ab.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 26, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
 

   Bvillercr.....Those fotos sure look easier than it was :-D


               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2011, 11:16:14 AM
Glass window traced onto the lexan, and how we cut it.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5d0bd57b.jpg)

The inside dash is painted winter grey and the area where the window will sit is a gloss black.  Once we counter sink the screw holes the window will be on for good.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/2341d143.jpg)

Driver side window is now installed, much easier than the passenger side.  Now we need to order our clamp down latches and install those and the side windows will be complete.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cf8c8903.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 27, 2011, 12:07:15 PM

  We are hoping to use the latches you see on the pro-stock side windows, as we need to roll the windows
down to steer the car in and out of the trailer. We also have to turn on the air to the trans or it will not roll
backward.

  Anyone trying to use non-formed Lexan on curved glass is in for a lot of cussin :-P  Ours is pre-formed.

  Were also looking to use Duze-fastners on the side of the rear window as I'm worried that air could pull
the glass away from the body and rip off the whole deck lid spoiler and all, with disastrous results. The Lexan 3/16'' is flexable as the stock glass is very sturdy.

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on June 27, 2011, 08:05:37 PM
Glass window traced onto the lexan, and how we cut it.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5d0bd57b.jpg)

The inside dash is painted winter grey and the area where the window will sit is a gloss black.  Once we counter sink the screw holes the window will be on for good.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/2341d143.jpg)

Driver side window is now installed, much easier than the passenger side.  Now we need to order our clamp down latches and install those and the side windows will be complete.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cf8c8903.jpg)

JL222;

Won't that "winter grey" dash give you an annoying reflection on the inside of your nice slanted Lexan windshield? I'd go with flat black.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 27, 2011, 08:30:09 PM
 Niel...never noticed a glare and the hood shades it, also the lexan is tinted.
 Both of my ford trucks are grey and so is my Nissan Exterra.

  Flat black at EL Mirage would be a pain to keep clean.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2011, 11:16:40 PM
The most annoying glare I have ever had was around 730 am on return record runs at bville.  The sunrise in the morning is spectacular but the glare was worth it. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on June 28, 2011, 01:44:57 PM
Niel...never noticed a glare and the hood shades it, also the lexan is tinted.
 Both of my ford trucks are grey and so is my Nissan Exterra.

  Flat black at EL Mirage would be a pain to keep clean.

                  JL222

JL222;

I thought "Clean" and "Elmo" was an oxymoron.  :-D

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 28, 2011, 07:56:16 PM
Front window is now installed, just need to get hand full o screws to complete. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/3710ab7a.jpg)

We are now waiting for some Dzus fasteners and some window latches and then we will be done with the windows!!  Next will be engine assembly. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 29, 2011, 09:34:50 PM
Some rear window work today.

The bracket that we made to Dzus to window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/34174a91.jpg)

First photo is drilling the lexan, second picture is showing the fine tuning of the hole to get the Dzus to fit correctly.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/d47503d8.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/30bd6acb.jpg)

The completed install.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/fb4ed766.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 29, 2011, 09:40:30 PM
A short video of why we had to do this install.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a48a8067.mp4
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 30, 2011, 09:21:30 PM
A short video of why we had to do this install.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a48a8067.mp4

  Today we attached angle brackets to the inside of the spill plates and the Lexan to take out more flexing.
 This was not needed on the original glass.

  we'll be siliconing between lexan and deck lid to make sure air can;t get in there also.


                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 06, 2011, 11:41:22 PM
This picture shows the brackets we made to secure and stiffen up our spill plates to the window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/4b3edbfc.jpg)

Making new brackets for our head restraint padding.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9e3a45f4.jpg)

The completed version, we had to move the padding forward about two inches to comply with the new rule.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/bca5736d.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 07, 2011, 12:54:15 AM
Better to see inside.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 08, 2011, 10:46:17 PM
Better to see inside.

  But not to get outside :-P

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 08, 2011, 11:18:01 PM

  Good news on our Stage 5 heads. I wasn't able to order them until Tuesday the 5th because the tech guy
was out on emergency leave and I wanted to make sure my valves and rockers ect would work .... he said they could get them out this week. yea right...BUT I talked to him this morning and they were finishing up a little machining and would be shipping them today :-D

I should get them Monday, do some port marking and send them to Larry's Engine and Marine in Tuson, Arizona
were they will do the valve job, porting and O-ring the heads. Larry's say it will be about a week :cheers:

  Larry's has been in business for 35 yrs and did the heads I'm replacing and has an A+ BBB rating.

  Tomorrow we'll be working on installing the Pro-Stock type Hartwell window latches on the side windows.


                          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 10, 2011, 09:42:38 PM
We had to make these lexan triangle pieces to help keep the window from flexing at the front.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6a6adc14.jpg)

First hole drilled for the latch system.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ac952ab7.jpg)

Bottom hole is done

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cd9f3257.jpg)

This how the system connect on the inside, we may modify this some.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6f0de675.jpg)

Push the big disc to open.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/50d7069c.jpg)

Push the little one to attach.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/f15ec0f1.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 10, 2011, 11:42:22 PM
This latch is pretty stout but moves pretty easy.  This little video shows how well it moves.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6e77f1fa.mp4

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jdincau on July 11, 2011, 12:05:46 AM
Where did you buy the latches? Is there a part number?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 11, 2011, 12:19:22 AM
This should be the link.

http://www.jerrybickel.com/windows-and-accessories/upper-door-and-window-latches-2.html
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 11, 2011, 01:31:52 PM
This should be the link.

http://www.jerrybickel.com/windows-and-accessories/upper-door-and-window-latches-2.html

  One of the latches didn't close up against the holes in the window when latch was in closed position [like one of the links was to short] so rather than getting another one, we placed it on the anvil and gave it a couple of whacks with a hammer and punch in just the right place,  worked great :-D

  Also surprised that latch does not hook around chassis loop [ its more like a notch]. We might put more of a hook
on latch.

                             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 13, 2011, 01:37:57 AM
  Stage 5 shipped our heads Monday, U.P.S. left a note on the gate saying they needed a signature.

 They have my phone # and usually call when there close but not today [Tue], DANG another lost day.

  Need to check them out and send to Tuson for valve job- porting and o-ringing.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
We did get some things done yesterday too.  Here is a couple pictures of our second electrical shut off at the back of the car.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/0a82c24b.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ac713124.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 14, 2011, 07:15:57 PM

 Got the Stage 5 heads yesterday the 13th, I didn't order untill July 5th, great service as that time includes
2 days shipping.
  Shipped them to Tucson today to be ported --ect. and boy do they need it, there not meant to be run without porting.
   Post pics later.


                               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 14, 2011, 10:37:23 PM
Sure feels good when something goes better than you anticipated, doesn't it?????

Yaaa for the two of you.

See you in impound.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
Our new rod/piston combo.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e10bbf56.jpg)

First piston being installed.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/3f3efb46.jpg)

This shows the curved grooves on the bottom of the rod.  All of our other rods had a straight cut, on a curve there is more surface area for strength.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/941c93d5.jpg)

All of the slugs are in, now it's rime to torque em down.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5648df33.jpg)

This shows that BME suggested that when torqueing the rods that a feeler gauge be put between the two rods while tightening.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/af4604f3.jpg)

Cam and ballancer is on.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8c524220.jpg)

This picture shows the direct of how the ballancer installer should be, flat when installing.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/b11131fc.jpg)

And curved when taking off, there are more bolts that go through this pulley system when disassembling ballancer.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/99f00015.jpg)

Getting ready to time the cam.  We got the wheel and the lifter gauge so we know when the intake is opening.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e014224f.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/126705da.jpg)

We will get the timing done on another day.  Still plenty to do before we get our heads back from Phoenix. :cheers:

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on July 18, 2011, 10:15:07 AM
Your referance to BME and the feeler gage while torquing rod bolts is a normal practice for assembling high performance engines. It saves the bearing from any damage.

I would have never thought of saying it because my dad taught me this when I was 16 doing my first engine rebuild; he just acted like it was normal.

Glad you shared it as there are many who would have never thought of doing it.....JD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 18, 2011, 10:31:54 AM
This latch is pretty stout but moves pretty easy.  This little video shows how well it moves.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6e77f1fa.mp4



  We also welded the loop to the roll bar that the latch hooks onto yesterday.

  We thought it might need more of a hook added but Bvillercr got inside and pushed on window and it held just fine :-D

 We'll add a velcro strip further back on window for insurance :-P

  BME is a little different on rod torque, first oil threads on bolt and rod, both sides of washers and bottom of rod and cap, snug up with feeler guage at parting line, then torque to 100 ft lbs one side at a time!!

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2011, 11:08:56 AM
Your referance to BME and the feeler gage while torquing rod bolts is a normal practice for assembling high performance engines. It saves the bearing from any damage.

I would have never thought of saying it because my dad taught me this when I was 16 doing my first engine rebuild; he just acted like it was normal.

Glad you shared it as there are many who would have never thought of doing it.....JD

We try to share everything we do, it's a build diary and maybe someone can learn from what we do.  We can also learn from others who respond to our build, never to old to learn. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on July 18, 2011, 11:28:20 AM
You guys do some fantastic work. I hope you do well this Speedweek. Above all, be safe. Is the easy chair there in one of the photos for John to rest in????
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on July 19, 2011, 08:12:58 PM
Who's driving this year?

Good luck boys, I look forward to seeing you run  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 19, 2011, 11:53:44 PM
Who's driving this year?

Good luck boys, I look forward to seeing you run  :cheers:

  Me 1st :-D   If we set a record over 300, we might go for A fuel altered class then Bvillercr will drive, depending
on time and engine condition. Never works out that way though :-P

          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2011, 12:19:36 AM
A little bit every day will get us ready for Bonneville!  I cleaned the soiled oil pan today, what a mess! :-o. It took a good 45 minutes to get all of the metal out of it.  The cam is timed, pan is on, electronic pickup is in position, the front plate is installed.  By the end of the week we will have the oil pump installed, the fuel pump, all of the head studs, the clutch and the bell housing.  Engine and blower system should be in the car Saturday and the tranny on Sunday.  Still need to clean all of the oil lines and tank and all of the fuel lines.  Hopefully we will get out heads at the end of next week and get those and the rest if the engine completed!  We will do all we can before the heads get here. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/faffbc0e.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2011, 12:14:03 PM
When we blew last year, we also blew oil all over the engine compartment.  Had to clean it all off before the engine goes in.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9ab524e8.jpg)

We had to do more adjustment and tinkering than we thought on the clutch and starter.  It is ready to go in today!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/001f39af.jpg)

Hopefully we can get the rest if the trans in and the blower system in today as well. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2011, 01:19:18 PM


  Bvillercr makes it sound like it was sittin there sopin in oil all this time :roll:

  Actually what he cleaned up, [with Gunk degreaser] was residue left over from original cleanup last August.


                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2011, 11:56:34 PM
We got a lot accomplished today!  First picture shows our back mounting plate and how it attaches to the fire wall.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/660dff29.jpg)

The block is bolted in, and you can see the front mounting plate connections.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/88e6e9ab.jpg)

Much easier to put the blower and plate in with it all attached, but it's too heavy for us to lift.  Engine hoist it is!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/dd740afa.jpg)

Blower system is in, and every time we take the engine out there is always adjustment needed to the plate to get it squared up to the crank.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/58ce1f79.jpg)

This is the critical part of the alignment, these two parts of the blower drive need to move in and out silky smooth.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cccc4d0d.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/efcfd31e.jpg)

The blower belt is on, and we got the gas tank mounted too.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/90f846dc.jpg)

We are starting to get ahead!  Just a few more things to do before we get our heads back from Pheonix.  Hopefully we will get them before the weekend so we can put the rest of the motor together and get all of the electronics hooked up.  We may even have time to get the car on the dyno before Bonneville. :cheers:

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2011, 10:10:04 AM
Forgot to add that we got the transmissions in the car as well. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/44fabc59.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 25, 2011, 02:09:40 PM
John and Troy,
Great to see how your car goes back together, it shows some of the things that are not obvious when you look at the completely assembled car. Like the blower drive, which is absolutely "elegant"! Planning to see you in August, I am going to trailer my modified this year as I can carry a lot more camping stuff in my pickup and the seat in my roadster doesn't like my butt for much more than about 100 miles. Age sucks!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 25, 2011, 03:37:05 PM
   
 Rex... yeah age sucks, you''ll miss getting soaked by the rain :-D

  Might see you on I-80 for the third time. Come by and see us.

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on July 28, 2011, 07:40:36 PM
I read through this entire thread and im amazed with level you guys operate on. Hopefully i make out to Bonneville and check out your car in person it looks great in pictures and im sure pictures dont do justice compared to the real thing. Im a big procharger fan and i do hope to get a chance to stop by so that i ask you some questions and get some pointers about your blower intercooler setup.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 28, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
I was hoping that you could warm it on NITRO in impound, just once for me....................

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: gearheadeh on July 28, 2011, 09:07:24 PM
I was hoping that you could warm it on NITRO in impound, just once for me....................

FREUD

Put in a WHOLE stack of head gaskets to drop the compression first! :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 28, 2011, 10:24:50 PM
I read through this entire thread and im amazed with level you guys operate on. Hopefully i make out to Bonneville and check out your car in person it looks great in pictures and im sure pictures dont do justice compared to the real thing. Im a big procharger fan and i do hope to get a chance to stop by so that i ask you some questions and get some pointers about your blower intercooler setup.

  Yeah stop by :cheers:

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 28, 2011, 10:27:59 PM
I was hoping that you could warm it on NITRO in impound, just once for me....................

FREUD

  Some think we are on nitro :-D

  We have enough trouble on parts wash

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 28, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
I'll see u the first day that I arrive.

I've just ordered 28 hour days until Speed Week. If you don't need the time to finish the assembly,

you can sleep a bit longer each day.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on July 29, 2011, 01:06:33 AM
 JL222
           I'll make sure I stop by, thanks.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 29, 2011, 01:57:01 AM
  Today we got the ballistic blankets on the transmissions, drive shaft on, dust shield between motorplate and
step pan on, sumptank cleaned out and remounted, a couple of oil lines cleaned and installed and the blower
tubes cleaned out. Aso new rebuild '' new geroters and shaft'' oilpump installed.

 Heads might ship tomorrow, Larry called for our old flow sheets, and said they  were already ahead by 40 cfm
at one of the lower lifts :-D

 Still had to finish porting, surface the heads and o-ring them but thought they might still be able to ship Friday.

  Have to ship next day now, time is running out and not sure pushrod holes will clear pushrods.
 We had to mill out ''elongate'' pushrod holes in old heads as we have a raised cam, but Stage 5 thinks they will be OK.

 New 375 lb on the seat springs waiting to be installed when we get the heads.

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2011, 12:21:26 AM

  HEADS are shipped ''next day delivery'' OUCH!!

  Fuel pump mounted and line from gas tank on, oil lines from pan to pump then sump back to pump out to filter and back to pump installed.

  Fire bottle cables hooked up. Intercooler ''air side'' flushed and some tubes installed

  Might fire up Sunday :-D


                  JL222

                         
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 30, 2011, 01:59:00 AM
Lookin good guys, can't wait to see the beast ........13days!!!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2011, 12:42:27 PM
Lookin good guys, can't wait to see the beast ........13days!!!!!!

  Hope we can meet up.

  We better stock up on beer :-D

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
We made some progress yesterday! :cheers:  just a little bit of finish welding on our window latch.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9e099800.jpg)

We finally got our heads yesterday at 1, with new heads require mods and inspection of clearances and ofcourse assembly.  The new springs are pretty stiff and the push rods are tight. :-P

Here is a picture of the grinding I had to do on the valve covers.  We had the dual plugs before and now we have to change the blanks from one hole to another.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/274d2fed.jpg)

Dad lashing the valves.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/02de5396.jpg)

Done for the night, finished around 1am, should have everything finished today and a possible engine start. :cheers:

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Jr. on July 31, 2011, 01:40:02 PM
 :-D A little tuning time before going to the salt.... :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2011, 01:52:56 PM
Looks good Bob, we may get on the dyno yet!  Forgot a picture.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/69eda7be.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
No start up yesterday, but we're close!  Once we got the manifold on we had to check our new hole in the front window to make sure it was correct.  Well, it was close.. I had to shave it a little larger to get it right/closer. :-D. All we have to do is install a couple of blower tubes, distibutor, spark plugs, add water, and put a tune into the FAST and she's ready to start.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/07f575af.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 03, 2011, 02:46:28 PM
No start up yesterday, but we're close!  Once we got the manifold on we had to check our new hole in the front window to make sure it was correct.  Well, it was close.. I had to shave it a little larger to get it right/closer. :-D. All we have to do is install a couple of blower tubes, distibutor, spark plugs, add water, and put a tune into the FAST and she's ready to start.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/07f575af.jpg)

  Started right up :-D Justin Coffman adjusted the tune in the fast, from last year ''a little richer at part throttle'' no leaks and sounds good.
Just need to restart to warm engine and adjust valves and were ready to load.
  Decided not to dyno, as tune up was good last year and we'll make a short tuneup pass at Bville.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2011, 02:52:06 PM
Like JL222 said, started up easy and sounded good!  Here is a picture with it all buttoned up and ready to fire.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/f5589603.jpg)

Also, here is a cell phone video while I was inside.  This should work... Sound isn't that great from the phone:-)

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8514ea4a.mp4
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: coloradodave on August 03, 2011, 03:01:21 PM
I thought the sound was pretty good for a phone
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on August 03, 2011, 03:12:03 PM
Well I cant seem to get it to open.  :cry:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: MC 1314 on August 03, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
Worked ok for me..sound wasn't bad either. Go get em!
Bob
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 03, 2011, 06:32:16 PM
John and Troy,
Sounds great!!! I just love the way electronic fuel injected engines start "right now"! no screwing around waiting for fuel to go through the carb venturi or waiting for the injector pump to make pressure, hit the start switch and bang it is running!! Looking forward to seeing you at the salt.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 03, 2011, 07:51:40 PM
Sounds good, looks good. I hope things continue to go that well for you guys. You deserve it with all the work. Thanks for the documentation of your continuing adventure.:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 03, 2011, 09:17:13 PM
What they said (except Fred  :mrgreen: )

 :cheers:  :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 03, 2011, 09:20:22 PM
Right on guys, can't wait to see it on the salt.  :cheers:

P.S. What class are you guys running and what is the current record anyway?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2011, 10:43:26 PM
Right on guys, can't wait to see it on the salt.  :cheers:

P.S. What class are you guys running and what is the current record anyway?

We are running in ABGALT, I own the current record at 246.550.  Its a pretty soft record, we lost an intercooler the day before and didn't realize it until the morning of record returns and we lost a blower belt at the 2 on the return run.  We were lucky to run to the 3 and get the record and a red hat for me. :cheers:  My dad will be chasing the record until he gets it, hopefully this year. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on August 03, 2011, 10:48:17 PM
Sounds good, opened fine with my laptop. Hope to meet you guys this year. I love your car.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2011, 01:21:26 AM
Thanks Fred, our pits should be fairly close to the pit entrance on the long course side; would be great to meet you too. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on August 04, 2011, 10:41:54 AM
Quote
Well I cant seem to get it to open.

I had the same problem with the default windows media player.

Download VLC media player it plays almost everything, they do a good job of keeping it up to date.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Larry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2011, 11:54:59 PM
Car is all buttoned up and ready to load up!!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/2c3304f0.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/22e4bb24.jpg)

All loaded up and ready to see and run on the great white dyno!!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/72fad180.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 08, 2011, 01:05:33 AM
All the best you guys, go get a record or two! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 08, 2011, 02:56:54 AM

  Thanks PJ, Bvillercr didn't show wsa the truck stuffed to the gills in front of the trailer, loading the car was the easy part, took most of the day on truck :-P

   Just got to load chairs behind car--suitcases in front and ice in the cooler :-D

   Never ever been ready this early :-o

   Or spent so many inflated bucks, SCTA stuff-- Lexan windows all around--Hans device--rear electric shutoff, Latches for side windows

   New top fuel style pitons and rings new rods and rebalance-- new heads and valve springs- new porting and valve job--new sleeves and bore job ---all new bearings.


             JL222


 

 
 



             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: coloradodave on August 08, 2011, 08:23:04 AM
Looks great as always, can't wait to hear it in person.
Save travels

Dave
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2011, 11:14:30 PM
Ok, now the pressure is on!  Bill, one of our crew got a new tattoo with us in mind :-D

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a5c4cf14.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 10, 2011, 12:47:58 AM
John and Troy,
You have a complete new piece under the hood with only some shop running, what is your plan with the engine before you get serious? I'm sure that you don't plan to just stand on it.

Looking forward to seeing you there!

Like the "tat".

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 10, 2011, 12:59:19 PM

  Rex...The plan is to load it some in 2nd or 3rd gear and shut down, then look at data logger and adjust.


        see you there...JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2011, 04:17:18 PM
My ride has arrived!!  Drive up to Carson City, Nevada tonight and head for Utah in the morning. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/91a218ec.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 10, 2011, 05:16:37 PM
Good luck guys and be safe  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on August 10, 2011, 07:27:58 PM
You have to go 300 now.. to do right by that tattoo.. :-D best of luck guys!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2011, 10:08:39 AM
A little update.

Inspection line was long, we got into line at 1 and out by 4. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9b864116.jpg)

Our car at the end of the line.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e12056ce.jpg)

A nice sunrise leaving Wendover for the salt.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/b4ba9f38.jpg)

A photo of the drivers meeting before racing can start.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/0499faf6.jpg)

As for our car.... We did a tuning pass... We were going to make a 1 1/2-2 squirt to get a good 3rd gear pull and shut off.  The car hauled some donkey, but when JL222 shifted into 3rd he didn't lift on the throttle and spun out about the 3/4 mark and eventually taking out the mile marker. :-P

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/dea5a028.jpg)

On our data logger indicated that the car was going about 220 when it spun, that was the only good news.  The front end alignment may be toe out a little so we are going to check that out today and run after it's fixed. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on August 14, 2011, 10:12:38 AM
Good luck guys. Hope to see some big numbers :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:ers for you...
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2011, 10:48:37 PM
Chasing some gremlins in the car, should have them all figured out and will run in the morning on a new track. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 16, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
Electronics or mechanical?

Watching for 300 from you guys.  Don't let us down!   :mrgreen:

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 17, 2011, 12:43:20 AM
Electronics or mechanical?

Watching for 300 from you guys.  Don't let us down!   :mrgreen:

Mike

Both :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 17, 2011, 10:30:54 PM
The car is running great, unfortunatelythe new lexan window rule is kicking our donkey!! :evil:  everytime we run the driver side window blows out!  This new rule has really slowed us down. :|  we think we got it fixed and will run again in the morning. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on August 17, 2011, 10:52:42 PM
Keep up the hard work  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wilcox garage on August 18, 2011, 01:01:01 AM
  It was good talking to you guys today! Good luck the rest of the week , get that thing in impound , we will be watching!
  The 142 Crew 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2011, 08:49:59 AM
  It was good talking to you guys today! Good luck the rest of the week , get that thing in impound , we will be watching!
  The 142 Crew 

Mark, it was great talking with all you Mohawks too. :-D. We are going to the hardware store this morning and get extra supplies, just in case. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2011, 07:27:55 PM
We made it to impound on our first pass through the 3.  The bad news is that our windows are still flexing out some, preventing us from going farther down the course.  We went through the 2 1/4 at 256 and JL222 was backing out of the throttle because of the window, he slowed to 255 in the mile.  The data logger shows he was goin over 280 some where between the 2 1/4 and the 3.  Hopefully record return run will be better. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2011, 10:39:38 PM
One thing I didn't mention was in line behavior.  We are next to a nice diesel rig with a motorcycle trailer on the back and while my dad was in the car suited up and buckled in the guy starts his rig and let's it idle.  All the fumes are going inside our car and we asked him to shut if off and explained why.  The guy we asked said we are cooling the cab with the A.C.!!! :evil: WTF!!  That didn't go over very well with me and let this guy know it!  He did eventually turn his truck off.  Unbelievable how some people think.  Sorry for the rant. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2011, 06:29:01 PM
JL222 is now in the Bonneville 2 club. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on August 19, 2011, 07:12:29 PM
JL222 is now in the Bonneville 2 club. :cheers:

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 19, 2011, 07:13:32 PM
x2  :cheers:  :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 19, 2011, 07:27:57 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on August 19, 2011, 07:35:42 PM
Good Deal!

Some how I missed your car every time I went into the pits. I was hoping to stop and say hello to you guys again this year.

Larry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 19, 2011, 07:41:41 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on August 19, 2011, 07:50:17 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: whats the top speed?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on August 19, 2011, 09:57:36 PM
Great job guys!!!    :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2011, 10:31:49 PM
Our official top speed was 259 at the 3, our data logger showed a top speed around 280+.  We need to replace the front end and the hood. :| anyone know any good front end fabricators for fiberglass front ends? :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 19, 2011, 10:40:00 PM
congrats on the hat==long time coming  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 19, 2011, 10:45:39 PM
John and Troy....I'm overjoyed. It wasn't all you wanted but at least Daddio has the Hat.

There are still more opportunities ahead of you.

Keep all of us informed. We are most interested in your success.

FREUD

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on August 20, 2011, 12:23:26 AM
anyone know any good front end fabricators for fiberglass front ends? :mrgreen:

Harry Glass makes a nice piece and will make it anyway you want, thick or light.  http://www.hairyglass.com/camaro.html   about half way down the page.  Almost all his stuff is from pro stock cars (subtle aero tweaks) and was made for Jerry Bickel, Jerry Hass and others. Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2011, 01:12:38 AM
Thanks Tony, but no aero tweaks in front ends.  That would get us in trouble. :-D

A few pictures of the damage.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cbbb70a3.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/77ebb024.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/1b0051a2.jpg)

Hard to see but when the hood blew off it took all the Dzus fasteners out of the front end.

But the results priceless!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ead59f65.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 20, 2011, 01:11:49 PM
Congratulations Guys. It was well EARNED. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Just an outside the box thought. Would a stock hood completely gutted with light tubular bracing similar to what's used in a Cup car maybe do a better job for you? Then you might be able to use a quick release hinge at the front.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on August 20, 2011, 01:47:01 PM
Glad to see you guys got it done. It seems we had a fairly successful pit group. 3 new club members: John, Frank, and Ed. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 20, 2011, 03:24:58 PM
Congratulations John. Is the score now John 2  Troy 1?

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on August 20, 2011, 09:45:45 PM
 Congrats guys. I am glad it all worked out ok and you guys and the car were ok. We spun just before you yesterday and I was watching you with the binoculars when you spun. Must have been a hell of a ride. That hood got some serious air time.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on August 21, 2011, 12:02:39 AM
You guys were pitted across from us, and we stopped over to B.S. with you. You guys were great!

That's an awesome car, and even greater feat that you acheived! Congrats on the red hat! :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 21, 2011, 12:03:59 AM
Congrats, guys, and a pleasure finally meeting you, Troy.

 :cheers: x3
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2011, 12:15:31 AM
Congratulations John. Is the score now John 2  Troy 1?

FREUD

Freud, it's now 2-2.  He finally caught up to the kid and the kid has never spun. :-D

Thanks everyone for the replies, we need some ideas for a new paint scheme.  Throw some at us. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 21, 2011, 09:30:33 AM
Great going you guys, really happy John got the Red Hat. Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 21, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
Congrats!

BTW, thanks for taking the time to talk with Lewis and I showing us the details of your chassis. I know you didn't have to take off the front end and we really appreciate your advice is showing us what worked on your car. Like you said though, this isn't drag racing.

Hopefully we'll have the AA/BGALT reay for next year...
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2011, 10:14:15 PM
Congrats!

BTW, thanks for taking the time to talk with Lewis and I showing us the details of your chassis. I know you didn't have to take off the front end and we really appreciate your advice is showing us what worked on your car. Like you said though, this isn't drag racing.

Hopefully we'll have the AA/BGALT reay for next year...

You and Louis, were our high light of Bonneville.  You guys cracked us up, it was great meeting the both of you too. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 22, 2011, 01:50:38 AM
We made it to impound on our first pass through the 3.  The bad news is that our windows are still flexing out some, preventing us from going farther down the course.  We went through the 2 1/4 at 256 and JL222 was backing out of the throttle because of the window, he slowed to 255 in the mile.  The data logger shows he was goin over 280 some where between the 2 1/4 and the 3.  Hopefully record return run will be better. :cheers:

 Return was worse, lighting was striking and thundering as we left the line [ pretty cool] and just very few drops of rain course was not smoothly graded and traction limited. Data logger shows 1st 19% tps --2nd max 27%---3rd max 37% but backing off to 33% before shifting [225 mph] 38 sec. 4th tried 100% for 1.7 sec. backed off to max of 48% tps [51.5 sec.]
 6140 rpm = 278 mph rpm data logger shows 6400 rpm  car was loose on entire run saved it after 21/4 mile trap but got loose near end of 3 mile starting to spin, pulled chute but still spun, saw hood fly off and chute in front of car, seemed
like long slow spins, not several like 1st run.

  After getting out of car I noticed bottom panels of chute were soaking wet [ as if someone poured a bucket of water on them] it must have rained on course in the three right before my run. Pulled chute near area on qualifying run the day before and it was dry.

 Any how, need new front end [ needed replacement] hood-- rear bumper, [steel cables that come from inside of car that attach to chute bent and cracked the bumper] -- new tailights body work and new paint job [needed new paint anyhow] :-D
 Car looks like it has been in a Nascar race  :-o

 At least the motor's good :-P

            JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on August 22, 2011, 09:06:31 AM
Congrats on the runs!  You have worked long and hard for it.  Keep us posted on the rebuild.

Geo
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 22, 2011, 09:53:01 AM
No video this year???

 :cheers:  :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 22, 2011, 11:43:13 AM
Great to finally meet you guys, good to see you've got something to keep the sun out of your eyes, :cheers
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 22, 2011, 12:54:24 PM
No video this year???

 :cheers:  :cheers:

Mike

  Got video of 1st spin 220-230 mph at 3/4 mile marker and hit 1 mile marker, several spins but not violent
 G-forces, dents in side of car-top and broken tailight :-D

  Go-Pro was turned on inside of car on last spin but were having problems with battery time, not sure of video
but hopeful.

  Bvillercr will post later this week.


            JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 27, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
A little post race wrap up.  This was a successful speedweek for us, although it didn't really feel like it because of all the thrashing we had to do.  We got the record on Friday, and even then it was a challenge to get through the 3 with a wet and bumpy track.

On our first run we spun, had to get inspected and discuss why we spun with Mile Mike.  The conclusion was that our alignment was off some.  We had to do a lot of measuring, but the first indication was the string test.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/f854299e.jpg)

We did this on both sides to check the differences, and yes there was a problem!

This was our prize for spinning and taking out the mile marker.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/mile1.jpg)

We displayed it with pride. :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/mile2.jpg)

Once we got the alignment problem fixed we warned the car up to go racing and a freeze plug in the head popped out!!  Well, we just can't get to the back of the head so we had to pull all of the air intake, blower tubes, manifold, and the head to fix it!  Another day gone. :evil:

We also had a problem with out lexan side widows blowing out! :roll: we spent a lot of time trying to fix this as well.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/697cd67d.jpg)

The first attempt was the single aluminum bar, that's all we had at the time and it didn't help!  The second piece of metal extended down farther and worked better.  We were hustling in impound on thursday to get this done!  A trip to the hardware store for senior and the engine valve lash for me.  We still have to modify the window better to get it to work properly.



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 27, 2011, 02:16:45 PM
In the morning of record runs it was cloudy and looking pretty nasty with lightning in the distance.  As we inched forward the weather got a little worse, by the time it was our turn to run a big lightning strike and huge thunder clapped just above us!!!!  Man that was awesome!  What wasn't so great is that it started to sprinkle, not much but as we would find out it was enough to get the track wet. :evil:  We made it through the 3 mile at an average of 259, but our FAST indicated our top speed to be in the 280's.  Just after the 3 JL222 spun again.  At least we made it through the 3 mile with a rrecord average of 257mph.  Here are some pictures of our now soon to be replaced front end.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hood2-1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hood3.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hood1-1.jpg)

I am also working on one more video from the push truck, here is our first pass of the meet in which we spun. :cheers:

http://youtu.be/yUlH51jxzM8
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 10, 2011, 01:34:33 PM

  You can tell by the way the revs come up before spin, that were not using traction control, just right foot

 control. data recorder showed speed of 220-230mph [ not counting higher breakloose revs] and hitting 1st mile marker 2+ sec later.

  With course conditions deteriorating that might change in the future as two of our systems have capability,

 rather not though for purist reasons, but car spinning is not good.

  Future plans include a front air dam and bigger Gurney flap on spoiler.

      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 24, 2011, 02:46:36 PM
We took a couple videos of our tune up on our computer and wanted to share a little data with everyone.  First video is of our record return run in 2011, and then we compare it to our 2010 qaulifing run. 

http://youtu.be/dg2DmDHkkRU


http://youtu.be/V5y06dM5Sg4
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Phil Veldheer Racing on October 02, 2011, 07:54:17 PM
bvillercr  and JL222   what a great build up--I just discovered this section of this site.  I was at Bonneville this year as a spectator and I too would have stopped by.  I have already built my  (future) Bonneville Racer a 99 Z-28 that we are still drag racing every weekend in Michigan.  It will run high 9's at 140 ish 1/4 miles in 2012.  Nothing as fast as yours.

The reason I am writing today is to let you know that it will take an "average" person 8 hours to read and watch everything on your build.  I had to be inside yesterday all day and sat by my daughters computer for 8 hours and I couldn't believe everything that happened.  I have six drag cars and six trailers and haven't had hardly any tire issues so I guess I am lucky.  Keep up the good work and keep us all informed.

All I want to do is go 200 mph......sounds simple...oh and if someone needs high quality lexan for any car, try www.racingshields.com  his name is Brad Shields and I talked to him at last years PRI SHOW in Orlando and he said that he made all the side roll up windows for the new Chrysler Drag cars....that is who I am going to see for my windows before I make the long tow in UTAH.

Phil
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on October 02, 2011, 08:00:52 PM
Famous first words, "all I want to do is go 200mph". We have heard and said that many times. :-D :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Phil Veldheer Racing on October 02, 2011, 08:02:52 PM
that's why I said  "sounds simple" 

Phil
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 55chevr on October 02, 2011, 08:06:03 PM
That might be a good fund raiser for the forum ... each time someone makes that statement they have to contribute a dollar to the website.  Slim would become independently wealthy.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 02, 2011, 08:41:09 PM
Joe:

I think, in all due honesty, that I should be the first donor.  After all, it was sometime in the late 90's, according to Nancy, that I started whining about "I want to go 200 on a bike".  And it was she that got me steered towards Bonneville, me being so busy growing my little business that I didn't think of much else.  Ah, but that was then -- wouldja look at me now?

Sidebar comment:  If everyone that uttered that phrase sends one buck -- it'll be all of us that get to stay wealthy 'cause I wouldn't have to beg you for donations to run this site.  Checks go to landracing.com, not to me.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2011, 09:14:34 PM

  Thanks Paul...yea..that's what we originally wanted to do, go 200 mph in a 57 chev  :-D

  But my cousin said why don't you get a firebird and go real fast.

  Couldn't find Firebird but found Camaro.

  Originally wanted to use Blown chev but Jay Roach of J AND S East Valley garage said why don't you put a real
motor in it :-D

  Thats how we ended up with a Kieth Black hemi Chrysler in a Chev :-D

  Stronger block and mains-replaceable sleeves o-ring block and heads Ect. [ at that time ]

                   JL222

             
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 16, 2011, 11:50:47 AM
We took a couple videos of our tune up on our computer and wanted to share a little data with everyone.  First video is of our record return run in 2011, and then we compare it to our 2010 qaulifing run. 

http://youtu.be/dg2DmDHkkRU


http://youtu.be/V5y06dM5Sg4


  In the data logs above we deleted some of the data lines for clarity, but each item your logging has its own line and color.

   We just click on data results on bottom of screen and it takes the line away, click again and its back.

  JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 06, 2011, 12:12:56 PM

  We were able to borrow some indivdual wheel scales from one of our crew members, after weighing, the left front and right rear were heavier, to see what would happen I screwed the right shock spring perch up 1/4''
and that made the left front 15 lbs lighter the RF 14 lbs heavier, RR 14 lbs lighter and LR 16 LBS heavier.

  Decided to upgrade all shocks with double adjustable type with new spring rates. New rates on back because
of increase in downfoce from adding Gurney type metal to rear spoiler.

  Looking at Chassis Works Vari Shocks right now but checking on price.

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 06, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
Why would you not want those 2 corners heavier? :?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 06, 2011, 01:15:28 PM
Why would you not want those 2 corners heavier? :?

  Sparky... reread '' to see what would happen'' I wasn't even in the car with those weights.

  I also want to fire the car up [sometime next year] and see what happens to the scale weights when I blip the throttle.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on November 06, 2011, 01:24:46 PM
Please share those results.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 05, 2011, 10:56:05 PM
We have been racing this car for more than 20 years and it's been thru a lot of upgrades.  The last two years we have had some problems with getting loose, out of shape and even spinning.  This is very unlike this car!! :-D. We decided that we needed another upgrade!  We haven't changed our springs and shocks since the car was built and think this may be a contributing factor in the latest handling of the car.  New products on the way!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 06, 2011, 12:20:18 AM
John,
Just looked at your post regarding using corner scales and what happened when you lifted the collar on the right front. From the changes that you saw on the scale I would say that you have a pretty stiff chassis. Flexi flyer chassis will not give you this type of change. When you scale a car you need to disconnect the anti roll bars,  and make sure the driver is in the car.  Adjustable shocks should be a good addition but you need a good starting point so whom ever you buy them from you need to  give them an idea of the car and what you are looking for and if they have a shock dyno (and they should) they can give you a good starting place for making adjustments.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 06, 2011, 03:29:47 PM
 
  Yea Rex, It's a complete Alston prostock chassis, front end modified by PRO-Chassis for a Stock Car Chassis Co.
  A-arm assembly which came with an anti-roll bar. We had to take off the anti-roll bar when we went to a 3 in
blower pulley [dang], but car seems to handle spins at 270 + MPH.

  Alston double adjustable shocks were ordered Friday along with new springs, a little lighter in front and heavier
in back. Heavier in back because we want to add a gurrney type lip for more downforce.

  Alston did give me some shock settings to start with and they come with their shock dyno charts.

  We found that the original springs were sagging so much that part of the rearend housing was contacting the
sheetmetal under the intercooler tank causing the spring rate to go up.

  In 2010 we had a 280 mph 21/4 time, on a previous run we were 10+ mph faster in the mile before the 21/4, [the second mile from start, with no more than 50% throttle untill high gear.
 
  Hopefully these changes will help us apply more throttle :-D

            JL222
 
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 07, 2011, 11:42:23 PM
 
 Double adjustable shocks and new springs came today along with a booklet explaining were to start with settings
for different types of use.

  Might install fronts tomorrow.

          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on December 07, 2011, 11:57:01 PM
John, did it start to spin out after you removed the front anti roll bar? If so maybe you should run stiffer front springs to compensate. Softening the front roll stiffness gives the front more bite and would encourage the rear end to come round. Similarly if you soften the back it should have more bite and might stay in line better. Stiffening the rear should have the opposite effect. Basically stiffer in roll front to rear should make it go straighter while softer in roll front to rear will make it less stable in the back end.

That's all theory, so it pays to test after you've made the changes rather than putting your full leg in it right away.

Good luck!

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 08, 2011, 12:22:22 AM
John, did it start to spin out after you removed the front anti roll bar? If so maybe you should run stiffer front springs to compensate. Softening the front roll stiffness gives the front more bite and would encourage the rear end to come round. Similarly if you soften the back it should have more bite and might stay in line better. Stiffening the rear should have the opposite effect. Basically stiffer in roll front to rear should make it go straighter while softer in roll front to rear will make it less stable in the back end.

That's all theory, so it pays to test after you've made the changes rather than putting your full leg in it right away.

Good luck!

Pete

  Pete the roll bar has been removed for years with no spin out problems and the front springs are [were] a lot heavier than backs.

  When I spun on record return run this year, after the 21/4, the bottom panels of chute were completely soaked wet.

  So, course conditions and bottoming of suspension is what [I think] happened.

  Yea..not going to get to crazy with settings at first. Would like to go to El Mirage on off weekend to test 1st and 2nd
gears.

      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: quick331coupe on December 18, 2011, 09:01:40 PM
Ive read through most of your 106 page long thread, and see pics, but what trans and ratios are you using?  Are you using an overdrive in the car or just a direct 1:1 high gear with what rear gear?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 18, 2011, 11:45:17 PM
Ive read through most of your 106 page long thread, and see pics, but what trans and ratios are you using?  Are you using an overdrive in the car or just a direct 1:1 high gear with what rear gear?  Thanks!

  We run an Owens 4 speed air shifted [3 units bolted together] planetary trans type, similar to Lenco except if air pressure is lost it shifts up not down. The last of the bolted on units has a 26% Scot Owens overdrive as part of modified unit [ in other words it doesn't just bolt on without changes to another unit and does not shift seperately] it ups all the units 26%.
 Ratios are 45% low  35% 2nd  25% high or 2.45 low 1.68 2nd 1.25 3rd and 1.00 high with 26% overdrive in all gears.
  The rear gear is a 2.50 9'' Ford that has given us no problems. Now watch it break after bragging on it :-D

  Final drive is 1.85 with 28'' rear tires that I estimate to grow to 1'' to 29'' but earlier version of tire grew 11/2'' at 275mph
according to exit speed and tach. We haven't made it to 5 mile exit trap with new tires to check tire growth.

  jl222

  

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: quick331coupe on December 19, 2011, 06:48:39 AM
I thought itwas an owens unit you were using but wasnt for sure. Does Scotty Owens have a website, because I cant seem to find it.  Im currently building a 08 mustang with small twin turbo powerplant and looking for trans help.  Sorry for all the questions.  What kind of clutch are you using?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 19, 2011, 03:42:22 PM
I thought itwas an owens unit you were using but wasnt for sure. Does Scotty Owens have a website, because I cant seem to find it.  Im currently building a 08 mustang with small twin turbo powerplant and looking for trans help.  Sorry for all the questions.  What kind of clutch are you using?

  No worries on questions.

  Scotty's  #  559-539-2925

  Clutch and flywheel is a Hays 6 centrifugal adjustable lever 3 disk unit set up not to slip at low or high speeds.

 Hays #216-688-8300

        JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: quick331coupe on December 20, 2011, 08:24:37 PM
Hey thanks!!!  I talked to Scotty this afternoon, and what a nice, intelligent and very easy guy to talk to!  He answered every question I had and definetly made the decision very easy to purchase a trans from him. I have to do a little more research on clutches to figure an input shaft length and get my final trans order to him.  I noticed that you are running weld draglite wheels, how are you attaching the wheel disc to them? Also your "questionable" wide rear wheels and tires, what size are they? If you want you can pm me or email me at onefstcoupe@yahoo.com.  I greatly appreciate all the help, and im sure ill meet many people i talk to here.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 21, 2011, 12:12:21 AM
We don't have discs on the wheels, and the rear tires are 28" and are close to 10" wide. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 21, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
The front springs and shocks are installed.  Had to do some minor grinding to get them to fit.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8b430352.jpg)

Here are the rear shocks, Unassembled and assembled just to give a better visual of them.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a8ba0c0e.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/fe178f7e.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 25, 2011, 10:34:30 AM
Merry Christmas to all, from the Langlo racing team and family!!  Let's all have a safe and successful 2012 racing season. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 28, 2011, 06:07:31 PM
 
  Just found out new tuneing update for our F.A.S.T. EFI is now available. More and faster self tune and its a free download :-D

  Alston's Chassisworks tech also suggested shortening and raising our instant center 4 link setup
 
  Lots of good info on shocks and settings at [Chris Alstons Chassisworks] under tech and shocks.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 30, 2011, 09:02:49 PM
 
  Installed rear shocks today and got our suspension back to where it belongs. Old springs had collapsed to where we only had less than an inch of travel before bottoming and shocking tires :roll: Keeping track of rear  measurements now. Always did on fronts because we raised the spring pads to load car in trailer didn't think of springs sagging but they do.

  Beville racer will post pics of how to compress springs [and not] :-D without spring compressor.


                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2011, 02:06:23 PM
We had to get our new springs compressed to get them onto the shock.  Well, we dint have a tool for that so we tried this first.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/acce03b2.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/498f0a38.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/b0987617.jpg)

We thought we had bigger, wider and thicker zip ties but we didn't. :evil:  And they stretched and eventually broke. :-D

So we had to come up with another back yard enginuety(sp).

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5d4eeabe.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/afd13afb.jpg)

Doesn't look pretty but it worked. :cheers:

Shocks are now installed and adjusted fir ride height.  Tweaks to come during the race season. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 31, 2011, 02:24:42 PM
Agri-engineering at its finest.  I'd have tried a log splitter, but then I'd still be picking up my teeth.  :wink:

The only way this could have been funnier is if it HAD worked with the zip ties!

Well done.  :cheers:

A safe, happy, and FASTER new year to team Langlo.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on December 31, 2011, 03:35:32 PM

I'd have tried a log splitter



Probably would have been safer with the log splitter. I don't think tractors are OSHA approved for compressing springs.
 

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2011, 04:14:22 PM
Agri-engineering at its finest.  I'd have tried a log splitter, but then I'd still be picking up my teeth.  :wink:

The only way this could have been funnier is if it HAD worked with the zip ties!

Well done.  :cheers:

A safe, happy, and FASTER new year to team Langlo.


It was working to a point, but they would stretch too much when we let the scoop up.  The last time we tried we compressed the spring from 12" to 9 1/2 and it didn't hold.  If we had stronger zip ties I think it would have worked. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on December 31, 2011, 09:41:06 PM
Would I use the Masey Ferg for the rears and a FarmAll for the fronts or is it the other way around :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on January 01, 2012, 05:44:04 PM
Those rears don't look like 200's any more :wink:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 01, 2012, 06:45:48 PM
John and Troy,
When you have to compress the springs just to get them on you are preloading them and then any additional adjustment to get the car level or the corner weights correct adds additional preload. When preload gets to large it makes the suspension very stiff until the preload is over come by the load which normally would very small on a Bonneville car assuming a smooth course. This can make the car feel like the springs are to stiff and if the preload is large enough you will get no suspension travel. I would think that the springs you have are to long, my preference has always been that when you jack up the car the spring will become loose on the shock and not preloaded.

Just a thought.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 01, 2012, 07:17:58 PM
Those rears don't look like 200's any more :wink:

Uhhhh, yeah.  They are 450's and the rear is still plenty soft. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 02, 2012, 11:07:47 PM
John and Troy,
When you have to compress the springs just to get them on you are preloading them and then any additional adjustment to get the car level or the corner weights correct adds additional preload. When preload gets to large it makes the suspension very stiff until the preload is over come by the load which normally would very small on a Bonneville car assuming a smooth course. This can make the car feel like the springs are to stiff and if the preload is large enough you will get no suspension travel. I would think that the springs you have are to long, my preference has always been that when you jack up the car the spring will become loose on the shock and not preloaded.

Just a thought.

Rex

  Rex...We had to compress the spring to clear the lip on the spring retainer and get below the lock nut on shaft for top mount.
Retainer slot is only wide enough to clear shaft but is machined to clear nut and center on top mount. Once spring retainer is in place there is no pressure on spring and bottom spring pad can be turned by hand.
  Alston must be on the edge of overall length for these rear shocks for them to work for there chassis [ there book specifies a certain length] to come out at the correct ride height.
  The fronts were a longer shock and we had no problem with 12'' spring on them and like you say are loose when jacked up
and gives us room to lower or raise the front end.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 04, 2012, 03:22:20 PM

  Just ordered new Harwood fiberglass front end-hood and scoop, supposed to ship in 2 weeks [hopefully] :-)

            JL222  Happy New Year :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 07, 2012, 01:32:01 PM
Before the front new front end arrives and resenates it's fiberglass smell throughout the shop, we need to draw up and take pictures of all the critical measurements to ensure we get the front end in the same stance and position.  Wish us luck. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on January 07, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
Good Luck. Ben followig this build/rebuild for a while. We have put together a '91 camaro to run ECTA events with a target of 200+ for my wifes personal goal and to set the bar as high as we can in C/GALT the old record is 203.XX. love your build, good luck. :-) :-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 07, 2012, 11:32:52 PM
Good Luck. Ben followig this build/rebuild for a while. We have put together a '91 camaro to run ECTA events with a target of 200+ for my wifes personal goal and to set the bar as high as we can in C/GALT the old record is 203.XX. love your build, good luck. :-) :-)

   Thanks Capt,and good luck to you as well :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 08, 2012, 01:58:55 PM
We try to show everything in our build.  Have you ever seen someone share their tune with anyone who may or may not want to see it?  We have nothing to be arrogant about on this build, we havent officially gone over 300, our records are unbelievably low for our class, we haven't had a full pass strong pass through the five in many years.  We try to build tomething that will work, but that doesn't always work out(side windows), but we try to adapt.  Now we have a large task in front of us and we will try to get that completed as well.  We do appreciate all the advice and kind words or not so kind(sometimes  :-D), we will continue do the best we can to power through the five mile!!  I will always keep this build diary updated when we can.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 08, 2012, 07:03:01 PM
 
  With these new shocks we hope to get more pitch rotation for the chassis and increase the loading on the tires
with the result of more traction and more throttle.
  We think [ a good course will help] a 300 + mph 21/4 time is possible, as 2 years ago on a return record run we
were 35 mph faster in 2nd gear [then spun] after the same 13 sec after applying throttle than our 280 mph  21/4 mile time.

  Speed in 2nd gear 13 sec after applying throttle 2 years ago, 168 mph  tps 48%
                                                                   2011           133 mph  tps 41% 

  Its great to be able to look and record these runs with the FAST EFI data logger.

               JL222
 

                 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 12, 2012, 10:01:07 PM
It's that time in this build diary to include some of our past videos. :cheers:

dyno pull.

http://youtu.be/iJApvHuDpL0

http://youtu.be/mHUEA-pScY8

inside view of the run above.

http://youtu.be/Udo7XM472Qk

http://youtu.be/NJZbf4_IUeo

http://youtu.be/55XA0vrNNj0

http://youtu.be/kLG0JFzazrs

http://youtu.be/yUlH51jxzM8


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 13, 2012, 05:36:38 PM

  Just ordered new Harwood fiberglass front end-hood and scoop, supposed to ship in 2 weeks [hopefully] :-)

            JL222  Happy New Year :cheers:

  Harwood called...shipped today  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 17, 2012, 04:50:38 PM

  Just ordered new Harwood fiberglass front end-hood and scoop, supposed to ship in 2 weeks [hopefully] :-)

            JL222  Happy New Year :cheers:

  Harwood called...shipped today  :cheers:

  Delivered today, met truck down the road and off loaded unto my small Ford Ranger, box was bigger than I thought it would be and tie downs barely made it.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 18, 2012, 02:44:53 PM
This is what we get to work with over the next few months.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a78429e2.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/becff5d3.jpg)

Lots of measurements, cuts, bondo, and fiberglass in the future. :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on January 18, 2012, 03:01:05 PM
Looks like a really nice starting point Troy. :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on January 24, 2012, 02:00:00 PM
ooooooshinny, shinny. Not for long though. I don't envey you fitting the 'glass. i'm look at next year to put glass on our camaro sas the sheet metal is fair. Waiting and watching. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 24, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
ooooooshinny, shinny. Not for long though. I don't envey you fitting the 'glass. i'm look at next year to put glass on our camaro sas the sheet metal is fair. Waiting and watching. :-D

  Were lucky that the frame work  for the front end is already built, but we have to seperate it from the old front end.

   Hopefully it will fit the new.

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 26, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
 
  We went to the Pick and Pull wrecking yard yesterday and found another bumper cover and two tailights to replace

 what was damaged at speedweek last year.

 $58 for bumper and $65 for tailights  8-) Now if we can get holes in bumper for pushbar and bumper in the right
place we'll be  :-D

 9 Camaros only two good lights from different cars and only two good bumpers to chose from.

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 28, 2012, 12:01:22 PM
Hopefully we can get all of the body work done with enough time to paint it!  If not it's going to look like three skittles in one. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 28, 2012, 02:35:27 PM

  Troy...I thought you were loading up my chainsaws not looking here :-D

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on January 28, 2012, 02:59:02 PM
Spend less time on the web site and more time getting the car ready and you will find time to paint it.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 28, 2012, 11:44:23 PM
Spend less time on the web site and more time getting the car ready and you will find time to paint it.
 :cheers:

  Well we got all 5 holes in the bumper and in the right place :-D

  Did some cutting and fitting on hood scoop but we forgot to unload chain saws from Bvillercr's trunk :roll:

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 29, 2012, 12:14:10 AM
Sh!!!t. :evil:  Well the good news is we werent on the computer most of the day. :-D. And we gor some things done.

We had to put five holes in the bumper and this picture shows the first two that are for the push bar.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/12129638.jpg)

This picture shows the bumper on with the push bar holes done and hole 3 and 4 being fitted.  If you look at the brackets under the spoiler you will see some blue tape.  Yep thats hole 3, four is on the other side.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ae396fe1.jpg)

And the last hole is complete, this is the parachute attachment hole.  Approximately the height of the cam.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e257831b.jpg)

The rear end is almost complete, all we have to do is replace the metal tube that the chute cables go through. :-o  Here is a picture of a nearly installed bumper.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5396f8d9.jpg)

Since we still had some daylight left, we worked on our scoop
A little.

Normal size.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ccf27765.jpg)

Cut down!  Now that's an opening, Jk. :-o

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/76f2b9fa.jpg)

They correct half, cut down some.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e9920bbe.jpg)

Cut some more.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9789fe81.jpg)

A little more.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/dcb7fd5a.jpg)

Can't do any cutting on the inside, too much fiberglass dust.  Started getting too dark.  So we had a good day and it ended with this. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ff098f37.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 31, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
 
  Did a little more fitting on hood scoop and it now fits the front curve of hood. That's about it untill we get the
front end mounted and the hood fitted and mounted to it.

  PIcked up a Garmin nuvi 2460 GPS at Costco, [ hey had to find directions to different house for Super Bowl] :-D
  and now hopefully have a backup to the F.A.S.T EFI and the Bville Pro program to find the top speed of the 222 car if we don't make it to the exit trap.

  Now I have to figure out how to use it :-P
 

     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on January 31, 2012, 07:51:19 PM
Ask your paper boy.

He can show you how to use the GPS.

That's how I learned.

Make certain that you don't mount it upside down or it will tell you the wrong way to turn.

It's gonna go nuts trying to recalculate if you are spinning.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 05, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
 
  GPS is amazing so far, calculated within a minute of arival time first time I used it.
 
  Entering address for super bowl party in next few min 8-)

  Does anyone know if GPS can be played back? Like after a run at Bville.

     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 05, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
Hope , yr team won. I could hear you guys itching from here after cutting that fiberglass.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 05, 2012, 03:53:42 PM
Hope , yr team won. I could hear you guys itching from here after cutting that fiberglass.

  Game not starting for a couple hrs. No favorite, but about 4 players from Fresno St playing 2 on each team.

  Hope to do good on pool :-D And a little bench racing.

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 10, 2012, 10:25:24 AM
A couple of videos from the past.  Never getting the traction that I need to get all the way down the track.

http://youtu.be/mHUEA-pScY8

http://youtu.be/55XA0vrNNj0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 12, 2012, 03:09:30 PM
A couple of videos from the past.  Never getting the traction that I need to get all the way down the track.

http://youtu.be/mHUEA-pScY8

http://youtu.be/55XA0vrNNj0

  EFI F.A.S.T. data shows good traction for 14.7 sec on ist video above

  1st gear 5 sec 114.5 mph 6250 rpm -throttle position sensor 53%

  2nd gear 10.2 sec 152.5 mph 5700 rpm -tps 52%

  3rd gear 14.7 sec 178.9 mph 4970 rpm tps 61%


  2nd video

  1st gear 5.9 sec 108 mph  5950 rpm tps 70%   got loose Troy backed off then back on

  2nd gear 12.9 sec 167 mph 6250 tps 55%

  3RD gear no traction.

   Track looser sooner on second run.

    Bonneville Pro used to get speeds


                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on February 13, 2012, 03:29:42 PM
Just shows how easy Elmer is.  Once you start slipping and backpedal a little, there's not enuf room to fix it and do much good.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 22, 2012, 01:10:43 AM

  We spent some time Monday setting up the suspension in just the right spot to mount the new front end
to match the old setup. Might not be as difficult as first thought [hopefully] :-)

  We had to buy a new rear bumper [pick and pull] because when I spun and the car got sideways with the chute
out, the tube that goes from rear of metal body through bumper wasn't braced correctly and allowed the steel
cables that go from chute mount on frame through tube [then attach to shroud lines] to rip bumber. As tube
just bent side ways from lack of bracing.

   Got another piece of tubing and working on bracing so that will not happen again.

  Should have had Bvillercr take fotos :-P Next time :-D
 
      JL222             


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 29, 2012, 04:31:36 PM
 
  New #2270 LSR 10'' tires on way. Ordered from Carroll Shelby west coast Goodyear distributer yesterday.

  $515 for set of 2 including freight :-D  About half of what I paid for front tires. I asked why and the 2270 is also used for
Nascar roadracing.

   Deciding on rims now, as spin bent rims a bit. Not sure bent rims affect things as much as some say after watching Top fuel cars at 300 + mph in slow motion :-o

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 02, 2012, 10:56:07 PM
 
    Goodyear #2270 10'' wide tires arrived today :-) Still deciding on front and back rims, more offset in back and less in front.

   Like the Centerline style 4 fuel type.

               JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 05, 2012, 12:07:41 AM
New tires look good...forgot to take a picture of the tag that showed a matching pair. :-P


(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5ba0029b.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on March 05, 2012, 09:35:34 AM
Hi

I always thought that you wanted to run a narrow tire on all cars running on the salt & the lakes, or does that just apply to cars that have the tires out in the airstream for less drag.

I guess having fenders cancells that out?

Thanks
Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on March 05, 2012, 10:41:24 AM
Hi

I always thought that you wanted to run a narrow tire on all cars running on the salt & the lakes, or does that just apply to cars that have the tires out in the airstream for less drag.

I guess having fenders cancells that out?

Thanks
Don
Who's going to take this one :evil: :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 05, 2012, 01:51:18 PM
Run what you think is best.  We do. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 05, 2012, 02:05:36 PM
A couple of videos from the past.  Never getting the traction that I need to get all the way down the track.

http://youtu.be/mHUEA-pScY8

http://youtu.be/55XA0vrNNj0

  EFI F.A.S.T. data shows good traction for 14.7 sec on ist video above

  1st gear 5 sec 114.5 mph 6250 rpm -throttle position sensor 53%

  2nd gear 10.2 sec 152.5 mph 5700 rpm -tps 52%

  3rd gear 14.7 sec 178.9 mph 4970 rpm tps 61%


  2nd video

  1st gear 5.9 sec 108 mph  5950 rpm tps 70%   got loose Troy backed off then back on

  2nd gear 12.9 sec 167 mph 6250 tps 55%

  3RD gear no traction.

   Track looser sooner on second run.

    Bonneville Pro used to get speeds


                      JL222


    This is why we use wide tires. 152.5 mph in 10.2 sec on dirt.

    We also had a 21/4time of 280mph and 3 mile time of 294 mph ''engine blew just before end of 3 and start of 4 mile.
   
     All runs on gas, thats all we have ever used.
    
     This was also top time of the meet for 2 days.

    On a tune up run we were 9 mph faster in the 2nd mile traveled than the 294 mph run. BNI started timing this mile
 recently and is the mile before the start of the 3-4 and 5.

   Skinney tires might help us get through the marbles at El Mirage but even the high powered lakesters WITH WINGS can't hook up on a loose track.

   We also get excelent were on wide tires never wearing out the wear holes our shredding them.

   There is to much peer pressure for open wheel cars to try wide tires :evil:

   One coming from a very fast racer that tried them on his roadster and spun out bad mouthing them ever since
but failing to mention that his rear end was found to be mounted 5/8'' out of square :-o
  
   He also told me his roadster had never accelerated that fast.

                        JL222
  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 05, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
Sunday we worked on the chute tube.  As many have seen, we tore our rear bumper up at speed week when we spun.  So we are bracing the tubes so it won't move in case we ever spin again.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/919f4e12.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/417b2f3a.jpg)

This is how we anchor our cables.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/d479423d.jpg)

And one of our 1/4 cables.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/df248044.jpg)

Next on the list is mounting the front end.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on March 06, 2012, 10:43:53 PM
Hi JL

Thanks for the new tire info for me as i'am from the very old school, started going out to the lakes in 59'

Can't believe your friend ever admitted that his rear was out 5/8" that is a bunch, you would think he would spin on every run sure must of been a hand full.

Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 07, 2012, 01:33:28 AM
Hi JL

Thanks for the new tire info for me as i'am from the very old school, started going out to the lakes in 59'

Can't believe your friend ever admitted that his rear was out 5/8" that is a bunch, you would think he would spin on every run sure must of been a hand full.

Don

  I found out from the guy that repaired the frame, and he did have trouble even before the wide tires.

   The wide tires just multiplied the problem.

                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on March 07, 2012, 02:20:20 AM
Hi JL

In 62' my friend built a blown SB gas dragster, we had pulled the engine and we were setting there talking and saw that one front tire was off the ground with the wheels layed over.
So Tom turned the wheels the other way and the same tire was still up about 3/4", each run the car was always in a drift. Being new to driving a dragster he did not know that was not too good.
The car builder had to front half the frame to get it all even and by then he had built a fixture, Toms car was built on saw horse's.
We both learned a bunch over that deal, so i checked my B/Gas 37' and it needed a wedge under one side of the front axle to get it even too.
Then 20 yrs later they came out with the 4 scales to get it right and dial it right in nowdays.

Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 26, 2012, 10:10:49 AM
Ofcorse at Bonneville we had problems with our windows blowing out, which caused us to abandon a couple of runs.  So we added another latch on both sides of our windows.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/eb11255d.jpg)

I had to cut part of the front end so it would fit above our headers, the cut is about 4 inches.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/df69168a.jpg)

We got the front end mocked up and ready to secure the framework. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/bc3a62b9.jpg)

The problem we have and had, was that our gas tank prevented the original build of the front end to be as low as it could.  So now we have to go with a smaller fuel tank.  Our 20 gallon tank was a bit much to run just gas.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a02079d0.jpg)

So now if all goes correctly it should be more than an inch lower, with some room to adjust through the suspension. :cheers:

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 30, 2012, 09:07:28 PM
 
  Gas tank arrived yesterday 8-) I ordered it from Summitt on the 25th and they said it might not ship to April 20th. But except for height [ that we wanted less of] it matched the old tank. So we were willing to wait.

  Only problem is the new tank has a sump that is below bottom level of tank and the other was flat.
  
 Also the new tank has a gas guage :-o

  Picked up some 3/4'' sq tubeing at Home Depot and will be making new tank platform Sunday and welding up rear chute tube and hooks for new door latches while slow cooking [indirect for 3 hrs] Justins Coffman's special chicken recipe.

  Correy wants margaritas and I guess I'll have to pick up a case of Pacifico :roll: but Keystone light when that runs out :-D

            JL222

      
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on April 08, 2012, 06:59:12 PM
Everything looks top notch here.
Its amazing that your car looks even cooler with the nose lowered just that little bit. Really looking forward to hanging with you guys on the salt this year. Might even see you at El Mirage, Lord willing.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 10, 2012, 07:33:43 PM
Everything looks top notch here.
Its amazing that your car looks even cooler with the nose lowered just that little bit. Really looking forward to hanging with you guys on the salt this year. Might even see you at El Mirage, Lord willing.


  Thanks Rob, couse everything takes 2 or 3 times as long to fabricate as planned :roll:

  Yeah looking foward to you hanging out with us at Bville, won't be going to El Mirage unless it rains some more, but there is a couple of storms coming in tonight here in Clovis and friday and somtimes they make it down to El Mirage.

  Any completion time for strealiner?

     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 29, 2012, 01:38:37 PM
Finished painting the new braces for the gas tank to sit on.  The old vs. The new.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/af9e8fae.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/d26fc715.jpg)

Say goodbye to the old front end. :-(

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/b0988cee.jpg)

The frame is 90% usable, we need to repair a couple place before we can put it on the new front end.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/105ee347.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 28, 2012, 08:29:37 PM

 Worked on lowering frame for new front body as we want it to sit lower. Had to cut small tube uprights and

short uprights in front frame, plus cut where tube meets the upper saddle mount.

  Now we need to remove some rust, replace some lower rusted tubes, weld it back up in the right place and start mounting the body.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on May 28, 2012, 09:43:55 PM
Still lookin good JL, Had to go back a few posts to catch up. Finally got Amy's '91 camaro "finished" and up to Wilmington OH, Not too bad first time out, 137.56. fastest for her to date. Looking to start incorporating some of your ideas in our junk. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 06, 2012, 12:49:47 AM
 
 Had a chance to work on frame work for body Sunday and getting close to right height.
 
  Been busy getting ready for the HUNGER GAMES. Granddaughter Peytons 12 birthday Sat. 40 kids 25 adults

   Troy's father in law, Jim, and I cooked 108 hot dogs and 40 burgers :-P

   Kids really had a good time with 6 teams competing in different games for the winner.

  Shop floor was a mess but mopped up good. Next time the drink coolers go outside.

   Haven't seen the movie but the books are great.


                        JL222

  Hope to order new wheels and some fastners this week.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 14, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
We have been working on the front end getting it ready to do a final fit, now we are just waiting on some Dzus fasteners so we can secure it to the car.  In the mean time we have been swapping AN fitting for the new gas tank.
Stripping the old:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/021e6a84.jpg)

Drilling the new:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/0135e6e6.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/2c09f6bd.jpg)

We also had to re-route one of our fuel lines.  What a pain that was!!  3/4 aluminum is not fun to drill with a hole saw!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/24239b05.jpg)

We also received our new front rims made by Weld racing wheels.  The rear wheels have to be custom made for our bolt pattern, should get them by mid July. More updates to come. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 15, 2012, 12:21:55 PM
Oops forgot to post a picture of our wheels.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/f2e4ed0b.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 24, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
We have been working on the frame work for the front end and lowering it to fit.  Today we finall got the front end partially mounted.  Here is Dzus stud with a locating tip for a more accurate fit.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e141936c.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/32ebb54a.jpg)

So we finally got the sides Dzus fasteners on, now we have to attach the fiberglass to the frame.  A lot of rivets and fiberglassing ahead for us. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e7b39d30.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wheelrdealer on June 26, 2012, 08:26:01 PM
Nice, good to see it comeing together.

Bill
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on June 26, 2012, 10:55:08 PM
Wow thats low. Any lower and you'll be plowing the course. How mch is the front end streached??

Frank
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 27, 2012, 12:44:16 AM
Wow thats low. Any lower and you'll be plowing the course. How mch is the front end streached??

Frank

   Just under 4'' on stretch and 21/8'' from ground.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2012, 10:45:34 PM
Been out of town a lot lately so things were slow going for awhile.  So Sunday we got the front end attached at the side mounts of the car.  Today we secured the rest of the front end to the framework that attaches  the front of the car.  Now all we need to do is fiberglass all of the hidden tubing at the front, sides and the bottom of the front end to make sure nothing moves.  We also got the side panels that keep the salt from entering the engine bay re-attached.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6e0b90a0.jpg)

Now the front end is 90% finished!!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/3af09ca6.jpg)

Tomorrow we will be fiberglassing first and as it's drying, we will start cutting and constructing our new hood.  Hopefully it turns out similar to our old one. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 28, 2012, 09:30:12 PM
Let the cutting begin. :|

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/86a85cd3.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/91af316f.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/c9938955.jpg)

Now the front of the hood.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cec62a2d.jpg)

The hood is cut out for the engine compartment and at the front of the hood.  Next is to cut the edges and then attach with Dzus fasteners.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a3adcbc2.jpg)

Lastly we did get the fiberglass on the inside of the front end, to make sure nothing moves and that it is secured properly.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/26fe9891.jpg)

More to come. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Avanti Kid on June 29, 2012, 01:22:16 AM
WOW! looking good can't wait to see you at Speed Week and the great speed you will do,  hope I do some of your timing duties on the long course, but I bet you can set a record at the 3 mile point!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 29, 2012, 11:10:58 AM
WOW! looking good can't wait to see you at Speed Week and the great speed you will do,  hope I do some of your timing duties on the long course, but I bet you can set a record at the 3 mile point!

  Thanks AK...hopefully we can go 5 miles someday without problems and get a great time.

  Got into the 2 club last year spinning through the lights on a wet track at 257+ and a data log indicated top speed of 318
before I spun. The 21/4 time was 256+.

 Stop by...JL222 :cheers:
 

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 29, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
We had a short day today, but still made some progress.  I mounted the new/used side panels to match up with our new/used rear bumper.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/729b95b1.jpg)

We also cut our hood on the sides and at the window.  Still need to trim to fit on the sides for a final fit.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/7e535074.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 30, 2012, 07:50:24 PM
WOW! looking good can't wait to see you at Speed Week and the great speed you will do,  hope I do some of your timing duties on the long course, but I bet you can set a record at the 3 mile point!

  Thanks AK...hopefully we can go 5 miles someday without problems and get a great time.

  Got into the 2 club last year spinning through the lights on a wet track at 257+ and a data log indicated top speed of 318
before I spun. The 21/4 time was 256+.

 Stop by...JL222 :cheers:
 

 

 OOPS :roll: That 318 was for the 280 2/14 and 294 1st mile in 2010,  speed should be around 270, lost data.

  JL222 :oops:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 03, 2012, 12:44:23 AM
Sunday we finished sizing our hood.  This is how I fine tuned the fit.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/2f0d31ff.jpg)

The hardest part was getting the first two Dzus fasteners installed.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5973d1f2.jpg)

We put tape down the fender measured in about 3/4" and snapped a chalk line, then spaced out the holes accordingly and bit the bullet, these are the holes that resulted.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/bcf5e97c.jpg)

Now a complete install of the hood!!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/1aef1853.jpg)

Man, what a time consuming process!!  We had to pinch the back spring so the Dzus would catch the spring, cut and bend most of the plates under the fenders, grind on some fiberglass.... Time to move on and start shaping the rest o the hood. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 04, 2012, 12:06:25 AM
Went see my friend Robby Owens at Weco supply to look at paint colors for the car and to get an idea how much paint will cost.  There are a bunch of great guys there that love hot rods, and what a small world.  I'm terrible with names, but one of Robbys co-workers has many of the same aqaintences/friends as we do.  He even mentioned Brad (who I have never met), but who has a Streamliner build diary on this site, called "new liner build".  We traded pictures of what he is working on and his midget racer.  It was a good day talking to this crew at this Fresno paint shop. 

Back to this build, today was a day to get the scoop fitted with it's insert and get it mounted.  Here is the tin insert we made.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/83b80dbb.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/39214702.jpg)

This is how it fits into the intake.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/0f76404b.jpg)

Once the air goes in, there's no escape.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/95299650.jpg)

This was the tricky part. :-P. How do we attach it and garantee that it doesn't move?  We used lots of blue tape and hoped for the best.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8061fc02.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 04, 2012, 01:33:06 AM

 Adding to the above we taped it then pop riveted it from the bottom to keep it in the right place.

 All set to start covering the rest.

 Not much tomorrow though :-P

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 06, 2012, 01:37:18 AM
We started to shape the hood today, it took a lot of tinkering to get it close enough to accept.

This is what we used as a beginning template.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cd05aa1b.jpg)

This is the permanent piece that will eventually be shaped with round edges.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/4337acf9.jpg)

In this picture we cut some lines into the bottom side in order to give it a slight bend/curve to the top side.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e830ec53.jpg)

Yep, this is a family adventure. :-D. Here we have one side cut, but it needs a little more messaging before we can attach it. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6d97312f.jpg)

I will keep updating this process as we progress. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2012, 12:24:14 AM
A lot of work but not much progress.  We made some forms so we could put a little arc/curve on the top of the hood. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/b3c53b1a.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/313693e7.jpg)

Then we fiberglassed the hood so it would hold it's shape.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/75fc2645.jpg)

The rest if the day we worked on getting the sides of the hood shaped to fit.  Hopefully we can get the hood together on satuday. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2012, 08:12:37 PM
Today we got the scoop attached to the hood, it looks like Frankensteins car right now.  Tomorrow we will back fill the underside of the scoop and cloth it for stability and then the shaping begins.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/de9834cb.jpg)

We have braces and screws holding the scoop to the hood, but just to make sure it doesn't move when we turn it upside down we also fiberglassed it down. :mrgreen:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ed239937.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 08, 2012, 10:37:03 PM
First thing we did today was to lower the back of the hood.  If you compare this photo with the others look at the Wilson intake to see the difference.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/1a081eff.jpg)

After modifying Frankenstein, we got to play with some Poly Form.  This stuff has the small fiber fiberglass mix in for extra strength. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/1ddb8432.jpg)

Tomorrow we will take the screws out, fill where the screw were with the poly form and fiberglass over the poly form and start sanding the outside to the curvature that we want.   8-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 09, 2012, 12:18:21 AM
Thanks for the process shots  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2012, 10:10:47 PM
The fun job of sanding has begun.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9155a6d8.jpg)

Well.... It didn't last long, my belt on the belt sander broke and all of the spares that I brought up were all the wrong size. :evil:  I have had these extra belts for years, now I now why. :mrgreen:

Any how, since we were done sanding we went ahead and marked the other side for tomorrows work.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/1a638191.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 11, 2012, 08:14:53 PM
We finished shaping the top edges of the hood. :-D

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/3cba6265.jpg)

No it's time to bondo the bottom curve.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/d9c9fe9b.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 11, 2012, 10:59:53 PM
We finished setting our lower curve on the hood, just some sanding tomorrow and then fiberglass to finish it up.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/2d68bfc2.jpg)

We also received out new rear wheels, but now we have to order shorted wheel studs.  If it's not one thing it's another. :evil:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9ffd1531.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 12, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
John and Troy,
Your new hood looks great, but it looks like you will need the proverbial "three men and a boy" to lift it off of the car!!  but this year you are not going to have to look at the engine! just pore in the gas and collect those 300 mph timing slips!!!

See you at the salt!
Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 13, 2012, 12:23:11 AM
John and Troy,
Your new hood looks great, but it looks like you will need the proverbial "three men and a boy" to lift it off of the car!!  but this year you are not going to have to look at the engine! just pore in the gas and collect those 300 mph timing slips!!!

See you at the salt!
Rex

  Yeah...we always think 300 slip, but salt happens :-D

  Hood is getting heavier every day, plywood is 3/16'' but over a gallon of bondo and resin so far. No heavier than old hood,
which almost got blown off top of car when I whacked the throttle :-P

  We finished sanding and got a coat of resin on today. Then after the 1st coat dryed we were going to cut the fiberglass
to fit, tape it down on the sides and give it another coat. But it was still tacky. Beer time untill tomorrow 8-)

  Also contacted a painter that lives near me and will come out Sunday to have a look.

  Troy took pics and will post later. I think.

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2012, 12:32:09 AM
We got the bottom curve sanded and ready for fiberglass.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6fb5d3cd.jpg)

The next step was to get some resin on the hood and let it dry for the next step.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6d974a11.jpg)

The next step you have heard from above. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 13, 2012, 07:03:58 AM
Again thanks for the process shots!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 13, 2012, 12:21:45 PM
First thing we did today was to lower the back of the hood.  If you compare this photo with the others look at the Wilson intake to see the difference.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/1a081eff.jpg)

After modifying Frankenstein, we got to play with some Poly Form.  This stuff has the small fiber fiberglass mix in for extra strength.  

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/1ddb8432.jpg)

Tomorrow we will take the screws out, fill where the screw were with the poly form and fiberglass over the poly form and start sanding the outside to the curvature that we want.   8-)

  We should have posted a pic of the underside after we smoothed out the Poly Form and glassed it. Looks alot better than pic above :-P

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 13, 2012, 12:39:59 PM
Again thanks for the process shots!!!

  Thanks SPARKY :cheers:

  Ditto for your build as well. Hope to see you at Bville.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2012, 04:28:06 PM
Roughing in the fit of the mat.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/28c42d25.jpg)


(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/86c86d1e.jpg)

And now it's ready for some resin. :mrgreen:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/dfe96e6c.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 13, 2012, 11:58:28 PM
LOVELY.

Of course you will be working on it until you drive down the driveway but it's looking promising.

Way to go, fellows.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 14, 2012, 12:01:01 AM
We successfully put down two layers of resin and mat on the hood, it was a wait and dry type of day. :cheers:  Sunday we will do some sanding and then put down some filler to get this hood looking smooth.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/57b5e9db.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on July 14, 2012, 07:24:15 AM
You guys do such nice work! I really like the ducting to the supercharger. Any positive pressure you make here will help power as if you needed it! Lol!
I'm thinking this is going to be a great year for you.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 16, 2012, 10:37:01 AM
We have lots to do this week!!  The car goes to the painter on Friday for two weeks!!  This will be a stressful  two weeks of waiting, when we get it back we only have about 4 days to get everything else completed. And loaded up.  Must be Bonneville time because we are always scrambling. :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2012, 09:50:24 AM
One more coat of bondo to fill the low spots and the painter can fix the rest.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/25ba13c5.jpg)

The new smaller gas tank is secured and all the fuel lines connected.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/bdaebbd5.jpg)

Today we need to make about six holes in the hood, two for studs and four to let out the excess air from the blow off valves.  The painter gets this car today, so we need to have it ready for him.   Then it's two weeks of waiting. :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on July 21, 2012, 04:42:40 PM
Same color or something New?


Very nice job building your new front end & scoop !!


Don



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 21, 2012, 04:54:55 PM
Same color or something New?


Very nice job building your new front end & scoop !!


Don





  Thanks Don...about the same color but not candy and no graphics for now, Were looking at a candy look alike
but a regular stock color for easy matching in case banners get in my way :-P

   Good news from painter, thinks he can have it done by next weekend, giving us another week to finish up.

     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on July 21, 2012, 08:13:28 PM
Ya those damb banners have little legs and walk right out there, they have some nice candy's & pearl's now.

Looking forward to seeing it done & a record too.

I was there in 65' and Lee Van Pathero wen't 174 mph in his 57' Bel Air using a hilborn injected 327', and that was pretty fast in a stock body. Then he wen't 223 in a big block Camero, just amazing how it gets better with more power and aero stuff

Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2012, 12:03:30 AM
This is how we will mount our headlight covers.  After the car is painted we will rivet them on these.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/dd2d3586.jpg)

These are the holes we made in the hood so the excess air from our blow off valves doesn't push the hood up.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a79d4baf.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on July 22, 2012, 04:15:56 AM
Hey guys , looking really good!
Finally getting over there this year , Invite from Kiwi Steve to play in the Tech team.

Will see ya in the tech tent.
Bob,
DLRA Chief Car Inspector
DLRA 200 Mph Club
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2012, 12:38:29 PM
Hey guys , looking really good!
Finally getting over there this year , Invite from Kiwi Steve to play in the Tech team.

Will see ya in the tech tent.
Bob,
DLRA Chief Car Inspector
DLRA 200 Mph Club

  Yeah Bob...it will be great to finally meet you. Stop by and have a cold one if you can get out of tech :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on July 22, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Hope you guys get a 300 record this year :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2012, 10:58:47 PM
Hope you guys get a 300 record this year :cheers:

We hope so too, maybe the stars will be lined up for u's this year.  Thanks for the encouragement. :cheers:

Good luck to your team as well.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2012, 12:02:36 AM
Our painter sent me some progression photos of our car. Looks like he has fixed the dents from a couple of mile marker strikes.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/dae95e5e.jpg)

He has also sanded all the stripes and lettering off as well.  Hopefully we are on schedule still for paint on Saturday. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a583ea17.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 26, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
Car has been primed and ready for u's to pick it up tomorrow and take it down to the paint booth on Saturday!! 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/df048508.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 28, 2012, 12:06:13 AM
Hope you didn't mind.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2012, 12:39:41 AM
Hope you didn't mind.

FREUD

Freud, when using photobucket which link do I copy to your photo result?  Direct, HTML, ect..?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2012, 01:48:50 AM
Car is ready for paint tomorrow!!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/bf4afd63.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/f6dd1160.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 28, 2012, 11:37:37 AM
I alter the fotos in Photoshop and have no idea about the other programs. In fact I have never even

accessed Photobucket.  If you run into a bad image, send it to me and I'll make it as good as I can

and return it to you.

I enjoy your diary and will see you soon.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on July 28, 2012, 11:42:26 AM
Quote
Freud, when using photobucket which link do I copy to your photo result?  Direct, HTML, ect..?

I suspect you want to use the "direct" link, that is what I use on imageshack images to post them on the web so they show up properly.

Larry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2012, 01:52:14 PM
Thanks for the info.  There was a mix up for the booth this morning so we have to wait until this afternoon to paint the car.  This is our painter, Tony Benivides and his some Brandon.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/4de237b3.jpg)

The car is ready for the booth when it opens up. :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 28, 2012, 03:28:37 PM
Use the "img" button to get the photo from Photobucket to this Forum.  The Thumbnail button gives you that, and the others are for email and website stuff - - I think.  I use the "img" one all the time.  See you next week.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
Preparing the paint booth.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6b1d83de.jpg)

Car is now in the booth.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/08ca235e.jpg)

Cleaning the car before the primer sealer.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/f195e9f6.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/01bf3fac.jpg)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2012, 07:17:03 PM
Red primer sealer is on, now we need to wait about 45 minutes before we can spray the first coat of paint.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/53c190b3.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
Three coats of paint on the car, clear coat coming. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/61a6ae2f.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2012, 09:44:03 PM
Three clear coats sprayed and she looks great. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/205b78ea.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ec272125.jpg)

The car will spend the night in the booth and I'll snap a picture in the sun in the morning. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on July 28, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Looking good!

Can't wait to see it in proper light.

Larry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 28, 2012, 10:07:28 PM
The proper light is before the sun hits it.

It will be softer and no burned out high lites.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2012, 10:19:56 PM
We pick it up around 9 in the morning.  The sun will still be behind the building, so the light should be good. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
She has seen the light.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 29, 2012, 03:32:17 PM
Looks fantastic and fast, have a great Speed Week!  :cheers: Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 29, 2012, 04:55:35 PM
That'll look sharp on the salt - no question about it.  Corngratulations on getting it as ready as it is for SpeedWeek.  See you on the salt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wheelrdealer on July 29, 2012, 05:06:53 PM
Looks great. looking forward to seeing it in impound,

Bill
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 29, 2012, 05:55:35 PM
John and Troy,
Man that is BEAUTIFUL!!!!! almost a shame to have to put numbers and decals on it. I love red and your car is fantastic.

See you at the salt!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2012, 06:08:26 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies.  Shes back on the stands and getting the work over.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on July 29, 2012, 07:01:18 PM
Hi Guys

The paint looks so good it should run 310, what color did you use?

Been a candy red fan for 50 yrs, topped off with some turned gold leaf it is hard to beat !!!

Outside the paint booth looks like a welding supply co.

Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2012, 11:31:19 PM
Don, it is a welding/paint supply company.  The color is Suzuki Riviera red metallic.  My friend modified the color a bunch to try to match what we had.  The Suzuki color was the closest we could find to start with.

So today when we got the car back in the shop we pulled all if the blower tubes before the intercooler to inspect and clean.  We then pulled the old rear wheel studs and replaced them with the ones that go with the new wheels.  Next we ran the new parachute lines and they come out just below the rear tail lights, we did a little modification below the lights.  Installed the push bar and the emergency shut off switch not all in that order.  Whew... More tomorrow. :cheers:

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2012, 12:01:54 PM

  Troy just called, notice anything about last pic ''no'' tail lights are different :roll:

  Got paint :-D

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2012, 06:42:49 PM
Someone ask for paint?

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2012, 11:09:58 PM
We only got a few things done today.  Painted both tail lights to match, put the drive shaft on, mounted the parachute attachment for the handles(not sure exactly what their called), also mounted the parachute packs.  We made the parachute cables, that took some time.  We got stainless cables but the stiff ones, they don't flex much so it was a pain.  That's it for the day.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: RayTheRat on July 31, 2012, 06:15:04 PM
That is one beautiful piece of eye candy, man!  I can't wait to get it in my camera lens.  :) 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2012, 12:16:58 AM
That is one beautiful piece of eye candy, man!  I can't wait to get it in my camera lens.  :) 

Thanks Ray!!

So everyday we inch a little closer to completion.  Today we got a few maintenance issues cleaned up but more importantly we finished our new parachute lines.  The old ones were our original and at best they were just mediocre.  The one we have now are what most racers use and are much smoother.  The list continues to get shorter, but we are still waiting on new front tires to arrive on Thursday and rod bearing should be here tomorrow.  The only picture i took was the completed and stuffed parachutes.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 01, 2012, 12:01:20 PM
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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 02, 2012, 12:49:39 AM
More maintenance and some touch up painting today.  We checked our alignment and all was very close.  Our painters came by today to start the polishing process, looks good n shinny.  We are waiting on our new front tires and rod bearings.  Here a picture of our new enormously over sized rear tires and rims. :-D

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Avanti Kid on August 03, 2012, 02:06:28 AM
Hey I can't wait to time you on the long course, take care and be safe!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 03, 2012, 11:55:42 AM
Hey I can't wait to time you on the long course, take care and be safe!  :cheers:

  Thanks AK..being safe, 2yrs ago I bought new Goodyear front tires because of the checking on the then 2yr old
goodyear tires. These 2yr old tires had splits on the side and the 4yr old tires only have checking. I called Shellby
 [ Goodyear Western race tire dealer in Vegas] and the rep there said he wouldn't worry about checking but I ordered new tires on Moday anyway, and they arrived yesterday. $550 each :cry:
 Also [Nexgen Head and Neck restraint] should come today. The one I have is just to hard to get in and out of the
car and doesn't have the quick release on the helmet where as the Nexgen does, and you can leave it in the car on exit if you want to.

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2012, 09:40:48 AM
We spent a lot of time on our headlight covers yesterday.  We didn't want the air to catch the hood and lift it so we made these little diverters.

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And now completed.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltwheels262 on August 04, 2012, 10:21:18 AM
can you put those type covers over the indentions below the headlights?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2012, 10:38:05 AM
can you put those type covers over the indentions below the headlights?

We could, but haven't worried about them.  The best one to cover up would be the larger one in the middle.  We just don't want to screw it up and make it look ugly. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltwheels262 on August 04, 2012, 10:53:14 AM
don't know about making it ugly ;
seems like it might make it more aero, imo.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 04, 2012, 12:02:10 PM
don't know about making it ugly ;
seems like it might make it more aero, imo.

  Yea, we know, and have thought about it, but we do most of our own work and and not sure of the results and  Bville is coming up fast. We think that from our past perfomance we have enough power to go well over 300 mph. In 2010 we had a 280 mph 21/4 and a 294 mph 1st time mile, blowing a piston just before the end of the three with an data log top speed of 318 and 2 miles left to go.
 I also like that front lip on the Camaro's as I believe it gives some downforce on the front.

  Hears hoping for a smooth course :cheers:

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on August 04, 2012, 12:46:35 PM
Go Fast---Be safe, see you there
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Kiwi Paul on August 04, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
I hadn`t seen a Necksgen unit until I looked at one last weekend. Some friends of mine are running a Monza this year and they have one. It has some features that I really like.....What do you think, John and Troy?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2012, 09:46:35 PM
Yep, we are thrashing to get ready again!!  Hey, it's Bonneville time that's what we do. :-D

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2012, 09:49:10 PM
I hadn`t seen a Necksgen unit until I looked at one last weekend. Some friends of mine are running a Monza this year and they have one. It has some features that I really like.....What do you think, John and Troy?

We do like the quick release on the helmet and the seat belt guide, but final verdict will have to wait until we use it. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 05, 2012, 02:08:50 AM
I hadn`t seen a Necksgen unit until I looked at one last weekend. Some friends of mine are running a Monza this year and they have one. It has some features that I really like.....What do you think, John and Troy?

  Yeah...Necksgen not Nexgen, got it yesderday,looks good and will give us more movement, adjustable angles for seat and comfort and can leave in car on exit if wanted 8-)

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2012, 05:36:21 PM
We are lucky to have Bill come up a few days early to help u's with the car.  Here's Bill pushing pistons down to me.

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All the pistons are in.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2012, 10:32:20 AM
While the heads were being massaged I kept busy by putting the lettering on.

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We will put the engine back together today, then pack the truck and start the car tomorrow....well that's the plan for now. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 06, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
John and Troy, have fun and go fast.......
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2012, 11:14:18 PM
Thanks Gary.  The intake gaskets are glued in and trimmed and the manifold awaits. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e57b8c23.jpg)

But first it's margarita time!!!

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on August 07, 2012, 12:29:25 AM
Is that a rattle can top your using to measure with? A true racer!  :cheers: Tony
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2012, 02:47:24 AM
Is that a rattle can top your using to measure with? A true racer!  :cheers: Tony

Haha, no.  But it is race related, it's a Bonneville 200 mph shot glass. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on August 07, 2012, 10:36:08 AM
MMMM... MARGARITAS!!  I'm sure glad we pit together  :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 07, 2012, 11:16:56 AM
MMMM... MARGARITAS!!  I'm sure glad we pit together  :-D :cheers:

   More Tequila or smaller cups?  More Tequila :-D

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2012, 05:37:52 PM
Motor is back together!!

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Getting ready to fire it.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2012, 08:01:38 PM
She's alive and well!!  Time to put on a new hitch package, pack the truck and load the car.  Bonneville here we come. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2012, 09:16:52 PM
Some rain an a lot of wind.  But this is a great way to deal with it.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 10, 2012, 11:41:07 PM
They were lookin' stout in tech.

Sounds like they were ready when the storm came.

The paint certainly stands out.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2012, 12:08:19 AM
Thanks Frued, we plan to wait for the #1 course to open up in the morning and do a tuning pass to the 2.  Then make an effort at a record pass. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2012, 08:19:48 AM
Update from yesterday:  we got in line around 11 and it took 3 hours to get to the front!!  We then proceeded to start the engine but the batteries that we charged the day before had lost it's charge!!! No bueno to start the engine.  So we pulled out of line ran into the Mayors office(carquest) and bought two new batteries.  So today we will try to get a tuning pass in and a real attempt later in the day.  Sure glad we have a week of racing. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2012, 08:32:59 AM
Yesterday we did a tuning pass and learned a few things.  First the pass: it was a very mild run, 10% throttle about 6 lbs of boost.  We hit about 200 and shut it down before the 2.  Two mile time was around 156.  We also learned that the tire company didn't balance the rear tires properly and the vibration was something of concern, so we took them off headed to Wendover and got them taken care of.  Lastly the windows still want to blow out!!  Especially the left side, so we braced both windows again, we can't pull them out now!!  Today we will lay down a good pass in a couple hours from now. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on August 14, 2012, 08:48:48 AM
Your perserverance over the years has been defening.  So far so great!  Wishing a bit of luck to go with your hard work.

Geo
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2012, 05:28:01 PM
We are done!!  Had a decent 4 mile time of 262 but shut down at the 3 1/2 after blowing holes out #5 and #6 cylinder walls.  Our top speed at the time was 281, there's always next year...  We hope. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 14, 2012, 06:00:09 PM
Man that sux!  I really feel for ya.

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wheelrdealer on August 14, 2012, 06:36:01 PM
Bville

Sorry to hear that. I watched your build updates. The car was looking good in the staging line.
The great white Dyno is brutal.

Bill
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltwheels262 on August 14, 2012, 06:38:12 PM
281mph-- very impressive.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2012, 09:44:00 PM
Thanks everyone!!!  Our soft record is under attack and we are happy to have some competition. :-D. Sets the fire under our jackasses and we will be back with a vengeance next year.  Good luck to Lee Seccillio(sp)! :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2012, 04:10:28 PM
No more advertising for Keith on this block. :mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on August 19, 2012, 04:29:46 PM
I hate it when there are new holes in the block!

Sorry to hear that, it was great to get to visit with you guys for a while.
I hope next year you can get it all sorted out the way you want it and put down a run we know the car is capable of.

Larry
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 19, 2012, 05:36:34 PM
John and Troy, sorry about the windowed block. I have used a term many times for these kind of problems, "that's racin".
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on August 19, 2012, 09:20:14 PM
Sorry to here about your 'issues" Troy. Do you know why & what wanted out of the block so badly yet?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 19, 2012, 10:00:47 PM
Troy---it was so good to meet you----sorry about the destruction of the bottom end-- will follow with renewed inttrest following your dective story---who dunn it??????????????
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 19, 2012, 11:45:52 PM

  We don't know yet and rods are top fuel type, but they said it dumped a bunch of oil on the track. After a few beers I thought, why should it dump a bunch of oil?  Checked the 4 gallon dry sump and the only oil in there was in the tapered part below the pickup?
 
  We had a time of 260 + in the 4th mile but was going 281 when it let go, car felt like it was going to jump out from under me at any time [ car usually feels glued in] and was never over 50% throttle [except for a sec or 2] I was just trying to not spin it and not looking at the guages, just ready to pull the chute.

  We haven't had oiling problems with this drysump system in the past and checking the bearings from last year
some looked like brand new out of the box and we reused them all.

  One breather tube blew off and not much oil on firewall. or engine.

  Its like the suction part of pump wasn't working, we'll find out more next week.

  Reading  Bill Jenkins book in dry sump section, he uses a screen and not a flat plate [like we have] below crank as he says the oil forms balls of oil and bounces off of plate and back onto crank. 

 Hopefully our GOPRO video came out and well try to take a video of data log for that run.

                JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 19, 2012, 11:59:54 PM
John and Troy, I hate it.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 20, 2012, 01:53:38 PM
Man that is an expensive little piece of aluminum!!!! Great seeing you at the salt and I STILL owe you a margarita!!!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on August 20, 2012, 06:00:15 PM
Looking forward to autopsy results. Interesting about the oil. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 25, 2012, 11:06:19 PM
So today was the day that we finally cleaned the racer!  Surprisingly there wasn that much salt under the car. :cheers:  We got the car on jacks took the tires off and noticed on both rear tires that the nipples were still on them.

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We did spin the tires just a bit, but were suprized to see them still there.

Now that the car is up high enough to get under it I decided to have a looksee into the holes in the block.  I could see both rod caps on the suspected rods that had exited the block.  WTF?...  Ofcourse since it's only a few nuts, we tried to take the pan off. :evil:  well we had to use a disc grinder to cut two studs off so the blown up pan would release itself.  We found that even though the caps were still attached, #5 upper rod did leave the building... By itself.  The good news is that the #5 journal doesn't seem to be scuffed or scratched at all. :-D. That's all we know as of today, We don't know how bad the rest of the engine or crank is, I will keep anyone who is interested updated.  A picture of our carnage in a pan. :-P

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on August 25, 2012, 11:31:15 PM
John and Troy, it was good seeing you guys again!

I hated hearing about the engine, and I'm watching with interest to see what happened!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 25, 2012, 11:55:43 PM
John and Troy, it was good seeing you guys again!

I hated hearing about the engine, and I'm watching with interest to see what happened!

  Yeah.. Good seeing you guys also.. just took the pan off to see.. didnt take off any rod caps [ hot and tired at this point and 19 days of over 100 degs with 21 the record] but the other rods were able to move back and forth but not #6. Part of rod cap still on #5 but couldn't remove because of bugered rod bolt, surprisinly crank looks good :?

  Will start tearing down tomorrow [ untill it gets to hot]. Troy is busy at work so I will plug slowly away.

  Hopefully the 13 month old heads are all right.

     JL222

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on August 26, 2012, 12:09:17 AM
Sorry to see the carnige, been following the effort for awhile... gona need a bunch of J-B weld for that pan. Never say die.. :-)

Frank
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 26, 2012, 12:36:46 AM
Buddy it was great to see you and your crew again.  When you guys got the barrel valve adjusted and started her up, I got goose bumps!!  Love the caddy!

Frank, thanks for the encouragement and we always have some sort of epoxy with u's. :-D

JL222, check #6 again it moved fine for me. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 26, 2012, 01:07:08 AM
No more advertising for Keith on this block. :mrgreen:

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Liked seeing you again, if briefly, hated hearing that news. :cry: :cry:

Eventually it will all happen at the right time, those tyres look pretty untroubled for you guys :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 26, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
Goggles, it was a brief visit but as always great to see your smiling mug.

Trying to edit our video on IMovie, haven't used this before.  It does show engine failure/shut down at the 3 1/2 and chute deployment at the 3 3/4 and had a 4 mile time at 261:-). I will try to get this thing figured out today. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 26, 2012, 01:13:19 PM
Here is the video of our mediocre run.  RPMs only went to 6200, had plenty of room to go faster if the rod didn't fail.  Tune was good, but other factors to be investigated. :cheers:

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on August 26, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
Hi CR

With a big bang like a rod letting go, a new crank might be in order too.

You could get a new block and your over stressed crank decides to stop going round & round, then it is bad news again.

Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 26, 2012, 10:06:09 PM
Hi CR

With a big bang like a rod letting go, a new crank might be in order too.

You could get a new block and your over stressed crank decides to stop going round & round, then it is bad news again.

Don

 Will check crank well but its a billet top fuel hardened and tempered made for 50lbs + boost and 90% nitro, not much stress from us

 If just bad throw will have it fixed and chromed. If block is just widowed with no damaged to main supports J@s East Valley Garage are experts at repairing much worse. Our AA block, from a funny car, had the whole front left corner blown off that J@S repaired years ago at no cost to us [thanks to the late Jay Roach]

 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on August 27, 2012, 03:22:03 PM
The tune sounds perfectly mint in that video.

I was going to ask if you made sure the ignition timing was calibrated (what the FAST thinks it's running, is verified with a timing light) but it just sounds too healthy to be that. 

Bad luck with parts or assembly maybe?  the thing just sounds perfectly happy...!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 27, 2012, 10:35:58 PM
The tune sounds perfectly mint in that video.

I was going to ask if you made sure the ignition timing was calibrated (what the FAST thinks it's running, is verified with a timing light) but it just sounds too healthy to be that. 

Bad luck with parts or assembly maybe?  the thing just sounds perfectly happy...!

  Yeah..we check with light. Last few years we didn't record timing becase of the limited recording time of the FAST data
logging but we put it in this year to check. Rob Frey said there was a unit from FAST for more time.

  Still haven't found what caused the rod to fail but Dry sump was empty. All rods move on crank, including #6 :roll: and crank looks unscored with 3/4 of cap still on ratteling on there with no bearings in it.

  These engines can run on splash for awhile. Troy got into the El Mirage 2 club in 1990 at 229+ and me at 206 in high gear
only when shift lever broke at start line [ long push but pulled right away]. We then went to Bville and had a 275 exit speed
with 2 push rods worn out hardly opening the valves. On return record run rod blew side of our not new repaired block and
part of the oil galley showing the copletly welded up oil galley. Bearings had been inspected several times showing no problems but the rockers get oil from passage up from the last main bearing causing our lifter problem. Rods 6- 7 and 8 and last main were getting no oil :-D

 When Bvillercr has time [ a week or so from now] we'll take video of data log and post it.

  Congrats on taking our record. Records mean more with competition and we look forward to getting it back :-D

           JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 28, 2012, 09:02:43 PM
Here is the video of our mediocre run.  RPMs only went to 6200, had plenty of room to go faster if the rod didn't fail.  Tune was good, but other factors to be investigated. :cheers:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/WE07tEgxq68" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

  I shouldn't have pulled the chute untill after the 4 :roll: 1 more sec would have made a big difference in time slip.
  6200 =281 mph and yet the rod made 4 dents in the step pan on the way out :-o
  Course workers looked for parts but didn't find any so I hope it careened off into the rough. Rod should be somewere between the 31/2 and 33/4 on course 1 AND hopefully off to the side.

  They say to turn out to right if you have trouble but I couldn't find any turnouts and it was so rough it would have torn up
our new front end, so I finally stopped on right side of course.

          JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bucketlist on August 29, 2012, 01:34:26 AM

 ...A picture of our carnage in a pan...

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9D8A08DF-8DDB-4310-9591-9DEAE340EE76-3745-00000804CCD81F45.jpg)

My favorite description of such damage was long ago when a big name racer (I'm thinking Andretti, but don't quote me) was explaining a DNF. He said they had an oil pan failure at speed.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 29, 2012, 12:17:19 PM

 ...A picture of our carnage in a pan...

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9D8A08DF-8DDB-4310-9591-9DEAE340EE76-3745-00000804CCD81F45.jpg)

My favorite description of such damage was long ago when a big name racer (I'm thinking Andretti, but don't quote me) was explaining a DNF. He said they had an oil pan failure at speed.

  :-D That's a good one. That pan is tough, Troy was pounding on the blown out part with a sledge hammer and it wouldn't
budge a bit, thats when the cut out wheel came out.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 29, 2012, 03:13:00 PM
Bucketlist said "My favorite description of such damage was long ago when a big name racer (I'm thinking Andretti, but don't quote me) was explaining a DNF. He said they had an oil pan failure at speed." My favorite is when Dan Gurney was asked what knocked him out of the 500 and he said it was a leaky radiator, in actuality the radiator was leaking because a rod had gone through it!

Now back to the hemi with only 7 rods!! John maybe you need to go to one of the top fuel titanium pans, I understand they will contain most rod exiting efforts.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on September 02, 2012, 03:23:21 PM
Have you guys figured out why there was an oiling failure?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 03, 2012, 01:18:02 PM
Have you guys figured out why there was an oiling failure?

  Haven't taken it apart yet but I took the rod cap off #4 and bearing looked like new just shiney spot
on part of outside edge? Also after manipulating the bashed windage tray out of the trashed pan,the
oil pickup screen was completely clear. We are thinking by the benchmarks on the failed rod parts it was not a one time failure but happened over time. Like maybe one side of rod didn't get torqued :-P
  This could have happened in our last minute haste to pull motor apart, BBhone cylinders after discovering rust and reassemble according to rod manufacturers directions.
  Which is '' Torque one side of rod in one steady pull to 90 ft lbs then the other. I felt the vibration but
engine will vibrate with a cylinder out. Things were vibrating on our tuneup run and on checking the rear tires we found that they had not reblanced the tires when I had them put the lettering on the outside :-o
 We figured this out when checking if there was dirty spots from removing the glued on weights "NO'' :roll:
 Had them reblanced in Wendover.
 Also these new tires when spun on balancing machine were wobbly and checking this the other day up to 60 thou out of round but new wheel out 30 thou  :roll: still have to check where wheel is out of round compared to where tire is out.

  JL222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on September 08, 2012, 07:28:42 PM
I doubt if you guys missed tightening one of the rod bolts. Was there enough rod left to see if the threads were still there? Maybe the threads gave way?
Do you still have all the rod bolts?
Are you confident that was just not an aluminum rod fatigue / failure?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 08, 2012, 11:57:19 PM
I doubt if you guys missed tightening one of the rod bolts. Was there enough rod left to see if the threads were still there? Maybe the threads gave way?
Do you still have all the rod bolts?
Are you confident that was just not an aluminum rod fatigue / failure?

  Will know more tomorrow, Troy is comming over [ I think] and we can take off the heads and pull the pistons.
  But troy said the bolt unscrewed from the rod. Manufacture's instructions also say to untorque bolts if engine sets unused which is a pain in the butt and we didn't do, but one really fast blown fuel roadster engine builder uses the same rods and doesn't back them off.

 Maybe Troy can post some pics tomorrow.

        JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 10, 2012, 12:06:26 PM

  Troy will post pics when he gets a chance. Got the heads and pistons out yesterday, well all except
one. #5 got jambed up further than it belonged after rod broke and raised hell. after getting stuck the valves tried to open, hit the piston and as they couldn't open all the way broke the rocker stands [ I think]. Bottom of sleeve broken in #5 and 3/4'' hole in #6 sleeve. lifter stuck in #6 exhaust. Hopefully
$600 cam can be salvaged.
  Now were trying to figure out what happened first. Pics will show compleatly screwed piston, hole in middle but not melted around it but pushed out from bottom, hole on edge of piston by intake side and big crack from one side to other.
 The mistery is the erosion of aluminum between sparkplug and intake showing a lean condition? Air fuel
ratio shows between 12 and 9.7 but we only have one sensor on #3 exhaust could be a partial pluged
injector as we don't run a fuel filter. Would like to, but hard to find info on size for 13 gal min fuel pump.
 Just wondering after piston was stuck and not going around boosted fuel was still being blow into partially opening valves and acting like a blow torch? Valves were still sealing oil on top of them so if bent, not much surprisenly.
  Need to decide on repairing block. two windows needing pan rails, bottom of sleeve needa to be welded up and then bored to fit sleeve and maybe one other spot and lifter bores will have to be worked on.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on September 10, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
JL,

Did you guys do your tuning on a Dynojet at Wide Open throttle only?

I've seen guys hurt EFI engines when running at Part Throttle (looks like you were running hardly any throttle at all) - due to not being able to really tune that area of a Fuel and Spark map.  Maybe the tune is not quite "on" on the part throttle areas? 
just throwing out some random idears, although I agree with you on the possibility of a bad injector, those things are sensitive to the slightest debris.  You can check it with a 9v battery, see if the injector clicks good and solid when you apply (very brief) voltage to it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 10, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
JL,

Did you guys do your tuning on a Dynojet at Wide Open throttle only?

I've seen guys hurt EFI engines when running at Part Throttle (looks like you were running hardly any throttle at all) - due to not being able to really tune that area of a Fuel and Spark map.  Maybe the tune is not quite "on" on the part throttle areas? 
just throwing out some random idears, although I agree with you on the possibility of a bad injector, those things are sensitive to the slightest debris.  You can check it with a 9v battery, see if the injector clicks good and solid when you apply (very brief) voltage to it.

  They did do partial throttle on the dyno and we have adjusted it after runs. Data log shows some 13teens at  110 kpa and less than 30% hrottle,but mostely in high 11ens and low 12ths, not sure of standing kpa at bville but figure 3-4 lbs boost [ hate kpa]. EFI is constanly changing AF ratio but in the 10ens and high 9ens when boost comes up.

              JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 10, 2012, 03:54:45 PM
Here are some photos of the damage.

Lots of metal in the gallie.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/90F4272C-0583-44EA-A007-28DF651A48FE-2560-00000558D2476F49.jpg)

One demolished piston, rod and cylinder.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/65ACC44A-3107-41AA-B5AA-1F73EBD0623E-2560-00000558DA6E420D.jpg)

And a damaged head.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/B36D886D-C0C7-4469-853C-527DBC1DF595-2560-00000558E2766BDA.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on September 10, 2012, 04:47:44 PM
How's the heat range on your plugs, any chance you got pre-ignition on that cylinder (blow torch from a red hot plug electrode)?

The puzzle to me is pre-ignition would normally just melt a hole in a piston like blow torch.
Since you run water injection, any chance you lost water supply to just that hole?
As I recall the way you inject that should not happen but thought I would ask.

The fact the piston was apparently holed from the bottom, is there any chance you had some FOD from something that got loose in the pan and got launched into the bottom of that piston by the rotating assembly? Are all the pieces parts that should have been the pan been accounted for?

Interesting failure in any case.

Larry

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on September 10, 2012, 04:58:07 PM
Any chance that cylinder injested something? from the looks of the cylinder head, something was rattling around the outside edge of the cylinder before it poked a hole in the piston-- maybe a loose bolt from somewhere? Was the spark plug from that cylinder fully intact when you removed it?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on September 10, 2012, 06:39:13 PM
sure doesn't look like a tuning issue.   I'm with the FOD guys...   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jdeleon on September 10, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
The top of your head gasket looks suspect.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on September 10, 2012, 10:54:30 PM
Holy bits and pieces batman :-o Thats going to be tough to nail down.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 10, 2012, 11:00:25 PM
How's the heat range on your plugs, any chance you got pre-ignition on that cylinder (blow torch from a red hot plug electrode)?

The puzzle to me is pre-ignition would normally just melt a hole in a piston like blow torch.
Since you run water injection, any chance you lost water supply to just that hole?
As I recall the way you inject that should not happen but thought I would ask.

The fact the piston was apparently holed from the bottom, is there any chance you had some FOD from something that got loose in the pan and got launched into the bottom of that piston by the rotating assembly? Are all the pieces parts that should have been the pan been accounted for?

Interesting failure in any case.

Larry



 Larry heat range is N57DR... ran C59C for years 57 is colder.

Water injected just before blower and just after and before intercooler.

 Who knows exactly what happened but most of the rod except part of cap and part of rod still on crank is gone.
No bearings on whats left either and no sign of them but crank journal looks just fine :-D?
 No recognisable sigh of small end of rod either. Pin still in piston so hard to figure what pushed it out so close to middle.
  Fom the looks of head and spark plug it was blow torching allright but usually that would just melt the piston,not break it or a rod.

  Manta .. I think the hole got punched in the piston and that stuff was ratteling around below the valves. There was even some metal flakes way up in the intake manifold. Sparkplug was broken with most of ground strap melted off something hit the center electrode shoving it up and breaking the top.

  Dieselgeek.. yeah we think the tune was OK but will check for partial pluged injector.

  jdeleon... those dark spots are where there is no metal on the inside of head ''weight saving'' and oil from galley
collects there. Heads are o-ringed and reciever groves are on top of sleeves. No leaks there.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jdeleon on September 10, 2012, 11:31:50 PM
Gasket looked like it was too short on the intake relief and thought maybe overlapped the oring.


Was the ceramic still on the plug? or loose?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 11, 2012, 12:21:39 AM
Gasket looked like it was too short on the intake relief and thought maybe overlapped the oring.


Was the ceramic still on the plug? or loose?

  I see what your talking about now ''for those not familiar with the hemi we run, there is a relief in edge of the sleeve and gasket for intake valve clearance''  gasket is within a few thou but not into reciever groove.
  No center ceramic on bottom of plug and broken at top part of shell. Don't know where top part of plug, that should have been still connected to plug wire ended up. We were still gaping at the windows in block :cry:

                 JL222
 
           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Drury on September 11, 2012, 04:48:42 PM
  ........ this brings up a important point.  How many of us "dry fit" our engines when installing new parts?  After torqueing heads and bearings, how many of us (including yours truely) fail to roll the motor over or "clay the pistons" which in the end could save a motor or your home equity (in at least my home).
  I don't personally know John or Troy but I know they are not "newbies" or "wealthy", and I appreciate their honesty and candor in exposing themselves to all the "nay sayers" or "expert's" who think that it easy for a low buck team to succeed in any motor sport.
  Most of us don't have a pot to p*ss in nor the intelligence or desire to give up our quest.
  Hat's off to the Langlo's for sharing their love and hard work in trying to accomplish their goal's while building a one off motor..................... Bob
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wheelrdealer on September 15, 2012, 10:32:58 PM
Bob:

Amen, I have yet to find the currage to hang my junk out in a thread for all to see. JL222 I have learned a lot... Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 16, 2012, 01:20:45 PM
 
  Yeah..we post the good the bad and the ugly :-D lots of ugly last few years :-P One good, was our blow holes in hood and extra pins at back side of hood on edge of raised part worked great. Before, when shutting off, the ''blow off valves'' which release the supercharged air would lift the back of hood a couple inches. We hope the pins will help keep the hood on in a spin.

  The 280mph 21/4 and 294mph time in the 1st mile keeps us coming back.

         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JSRacing on September 24, 2012, 05:45:01 PM

 
  Need to decide on repairing block. two windows needing pan rails, bottom of sleeve needa to be welded up and then bored to fit sleeve and maybe one other spot and lifter bores will have to be worked on.


I know that J&S is still fixing blocks...  :-)


-Hunter
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 25, 2012, 11:54:35 AM

 
  Need to decide on repairing block. two windows needing pan rails, bottom of sleeve needa to be welded up and then bored to fit sleeve and maybe one other spot and lifter bores will have to be worked on.


I know that J&S is still fixing blocks...  :-)


-Hunter

  Hi Hunter...yeah we know,see post 1779. Need to get block down for you guys to look at it and see what the
repair estimate will be. Looks like 2 sleeves will also need to be cut out as holes in them will screw things up
on way out. Will be in Santa Barbara next month to visit mom and will call about how you want block. Sleeves in
or out mains on and torqued? :cheers:

                         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JSRacing on September 26, 2012, 11:39:14 AM
Sounds good! You know the deal- Yank the sleeves out that aren't hurt, and leave the caps on. Just give me a call when you're planning on heading down.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 07, 2012, 12:14:00 PM
Last weekend we worked on getting the engine bay cleared out.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/3474A5C7-84A1-493C-ACF0-80A90A0D1A44-22208-00002AEC53BAE02B.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/A9E5F096-6470-41A0-95E1-B1CBFEE4CB75-22208-00002AEC5ABF3413.jpg)

Here are some pictures of the two holes that need to be fixed.

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(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8E168CBE-A762-4770-A6EA-1D371ED0FC2E-22208-00002AEC63DDB666.jpg)

We had to pound the cam out of the block to find out that it is bent.  The block needs lots of new aluminum on the interior of the block.  We shall see if it is salvageable. :?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on October 07, 2012, 01:36:45 PM
Daammnn!

Good luck on getting it repaired-looks painful to the wallet!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on October 07, 2012, 05:53:27 PM
Good luck on the repairs. Maybe saw it in half and make a V4 out of it.

Frank
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 08, 2012, 09:49:27 PM

   We got the crank out today and were able to pound out the very ugly piston :-P

  Revising on what caused rod to break after discovering melted side of piston and sprayed aluminum inside of piston. Looked like cylinder got lean [ dirty injector ?] burned hole and started torching the top of rod, pin is even torched :-o Hole started on edge of piston intake valve cut out and we couldn't tell it was torched bacause of valve hammering on other metal on top, but once we hammered it out there is a huge torched hole.

 Troy will post pics when he gets a chance.

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 10, 2012, 08:36:10 PM
Sorry for the delay, a little under the weather.

Here are some mangled pieces of aluminum.

This is what's left of the cap and rod.

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A view of our bearings and the damage to the block at the underside of the cam and the holes in the two sleeves.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/27B38956-24A0-4748-9F5A-0002FC5361FE-23546-00002CCA67DF477D.jpg)

Pictures of the piston.

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(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/B602D85C-F712-4B22-BB45-E2FF8C72D732-23546-00002CCA77EA2EB3.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on October 10, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
Thats impressive, oouuch.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on October 11, 2012, 08:15:04 PM
Are (were) those aluminum rods?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 11, 2012, 11:25:17 PM
Are (were) those aluminum rods?


  Yes... forged billets.

       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 11, 2012, 11:52:53 PM


  J&S East Valley Garage now has our block to repair, They just repaired the 911 roadster block that ran at the
World Finals.

  Chief Galbraith is repairing the head [new seats and spark plug hole and threads + grinding and polish] and Walt Waiton is welding up the erosion and crack below seat in intake port. Walt has a welder that doesn't put much heat in the head while welding.

  Hard to figure out exactly what happened 1st, but Chief pointed out if the rod was coming loose and the piston hit the head it would collaspe the ring lands and the rings wouldn't seal. That would let the burned gasses blow a hole in the piston.
  That would explain while the hole is on the intake valve side instead of the hot exhaust side.


                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on October 12, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
jl222;

I wouldn't recommend using aluminum rods in LSR. In short track or drag racing they're OK if you change them now & then. The problem is that aluminum has much lower fatigue strength than steel and in applications where you're running high power for a long time, such as LSR, off-shore boat racing, or NASCAR, aluminum rods are much more likely to fail than good forged steel rods such as Oliver, Crower, Carillo, etc.

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all-- just a suggestion.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 14, 2012, 01:55:43 PM
jl222;

I wouldn't recommend using aluminum rods in LSR. In short track or drag racing they're OK if you change them now & then. The problem is that aluminum has much lower fatigue strength than steel and in applications where you're running high power for a long time, such as LSR, off-shore boat racing, or NASCAR, aluminum rods are much more likely to fail than good forged steel rods such as Oliver, Crower, Carillo, etc.

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all-- just a suggestion.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

  Niel.. there must be a reason all the top fuel and alcohol racers don't use chomemoly rods. I understand its because aluminum has more give and doesn't beat the bearings out.

  I don't believe the rod failure was the rods fault, it either wasn't tightend right our it was  torched off at the top end. The pin was even torched.

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on October 14, 2012, 05:01:45 PM
JL222;

My guess is that the aluminum rods give them lower reciprocating weight and therefore lower moment of inertia. This allows the crank to accelerate faster.

Looking at the broken end of your rod can probably reveal whether it was a fatigue failure

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 14, 2012, 11:12:59 PM
Who makes a steel rod strong enough?  I haven't seen any advertised that can handle mid to high hp motors.  Give u's some hints. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on October 15, 2012, 01:54:28 PM
bvillercr;

Try the usual guys-- Crower, Oliver, Carrillo, Lunati, etc. Call and ask those factories for their recommendations.  :roll:

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on October 15, 2012, 02:32:05 PM
bvillercr;

Try the usual guys-- Crower, Oliver, Carrillo, Lunati, etc. Call and ask those factories for their recommendations.  :roll:

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Yea, that doesn't always work either!

I ordered a billet crank and rods from Crower. I specified that it was for a blown motor for 500+ HP- a Loooong ways from Langlo's HP. Now remember, these were one-off, custom made for the application!

When I decided to redo the engine this winter, and shoot for 700HP, I called and asked them if the parts I bought would handle the HP. The answer I got was- "we weren't even confortable with 500 HP!" WTF?

Point is, I don't know if anyone is going to say "yep, our stuff will handle it." The fact that you've had fair luck with the aluminum make me think I'd just keep running them, unless I really felt the rod gave out from fatigue, and it's already been stated that probably wasn't the problem.

Sorry to see the carnage, but I know you'll get it fixed, and go about your business as usual! :cheers:

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 15, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
bvillercr;

Try the usual guys-- Crower, Oliver, Carrillo, Lunati, etc. Call and ask those factories for their recommendations.  :roll:

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

  I looked all those up and the most hp rating I could find was 1500.

  Only enough for 1.2 cylinders on a 10,000 hp top fuel motor :roll:

   Not going to call, as I'm not going against the experience of the many racers using aluminum rods in 500'' hemi's.

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on October 15, 2012, 03:52:14 PM
Saenz rods?   :?

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on October 16, 2012, 02:45:40 PM
I have no clue on which rods to use for a high HP engine other that what has been stated. But, there is always one, is eveywhere getting enough oil. These "mini" engines are using squirters towards the pins. I'm sure 1/4 milers don't need this but maybe 5 milers do. Is the only oil to the pin splashed or from the oil rings and is that enough. If most of the oil is from rod side clearance are scrapers used and removing too much? Are vacuum pumps being used along with multi-segment dry sump pumps causing too much vacuum?

Heavy duty engines have rifle drilled rods to feed the pins. I have no idea if that can be done with aluminum or not. Cunningham will drill I beams but not H beams.

These are things not mentioned but might need to be addressed........Good Luck to all.........JD

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on October 16, 2012, 04:51:33 PM
When talking to a rod manufacturer, it's necessary to talk to someone who knows what he is talking about, of course. Too many know-nothings are answering the phones these days. It is also necessary that the technically knowledgeable person understands that your application is one where you are operating at high power for a long time-- NASCAR, Le Mans, off-shore boat racing, etc--- NOT drag racing.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 16, 2012, 05:34:23 PM
When talking to a rod manufacturer, it's necessary to talk to someone who knows what he is talking about, of course. Too many know-nothings are answering the phones these days. It is also necessary that the technically knowledgeable person understands that your application is one where you are operating at high power for a long time-- NASCAR, Le Mans, off-shore boat racing, etc--- NOT drag racing.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

  If moly rods would hold up in drag racing they would surely use them.

  Using aluminum rods for faster accelration is not the reason as they go from zero rpm t0 8500 or higher in a
heartbeat and is one reason they use slipperclutches. If moly rods held up think of the money saved from not replacing rods every 8 runs or less.

  I will be seeing a few top fuel racers in dec. and will get their answer. I suspect part of it is no give in moly rods
resulting in crank on ground or bearings being beat out. -to heavy for the piston speed.

  Nascar-Le Mans use short stroke motors [ not 43/8 --41/2 in'' and don't make near the hp we do.

  Off shore boats can't use the amount of fuel or very high rpms if they want to finish or have pits stops.

  The 911 roadster only runs to the 4 because they can't run a big enough fuel tank.

  I know that Fast Freddy uses over 30 gals fuel a run so don't compare Nascar-Le-Mans or off shore boat racing
with what were doing because their lacking on hp compared to high hp Bville engines

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Frankie7799 on October 16, 2012, 05:45:59 PM
Troy and John,
As a new guy to the boards Ive spent a lot of time reading alot of the builds and just finihsed up yours. Ive gotta say, what a great read its been. Lots of hard work, tenacity and perserverence on your part. Admittedly when I saw Langlo as a last namethoughts of Uncle/Brother Arely came to mind. As a long time drag racer, Ive witnessed many of Arleys kaboomers. Im glad at some point in the build that JOhn explained it was more the late Jay Roach that had more to do with those than Arley. I was blown away when looking at the 200 Club and saw that Arley was a long time memeber of it. Im glad I did go ahread and read the build.

SOrry to see the most recent carnage from B'ville. While I dont have any suggestions as to what casued it I hope you guys are able to get it repaired and put back toehter for either El Mirage in May or B'ville net August. Im hoping to go to El Mirage for my first taste of LSR next month ( weather permitting fo course lol )

I do have a suggestion for your windo dielema though and I dont recal seeing this offered up before ( but it may have and just missed it. I know it was metnioned that you guys roll the windows down for trailering the car and things of that nature. What about doing what the Pro Stock and Pro Mod guys do with the frameless windowed cars and bend up some small tubing and weld it to the inside of the bottom of the door ( im assuming the doors are still orginals and not 'glass ) and then have the tubing run along near the edges of the window and be fastened with some of those levers your currently using to hold the top edge in place. Either that or weld some dzus tabes on the frame and use 2-3 to hold the leaxn tot eh frame in addition to the levers you have now. That way itl hold on the run and then you can relase them when you need to put the car in the trailer. Follow what im saying? If something similar has been suggested before, please forgive me as I mustve missed it
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 16, 2012, 06:16:33 PM
 
  Frankie..yeah, ''cousin'' Arley owned the car, Jay the engines, Top Fuel a tough deal with no big sponsers.
  Jay made a lot of of parts himself Heads -clutch -fuel pump ect.

  Thanks for the window tips [I thought you were refering to the windows in the block at first] :roll:

  We think we have the widow blow out problem Fixed [up to 280 mph anyway] we attached two sections of 3/4
aluminum angle to top of door opening and we flex the window under them when closing.

  El Mirage will have to get a lot of rain before we run there and the Race Dirctor would have to give us permission to run out of the 200 mph lane. Otherwise it just a wasted trip.

            JL222

       

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Frankie7799 on October 16, 2012, 06:52:50 PM
John, well I guess you guys had better get a fix for 281+ and above because we all know once you get these gremlins sorted out you guys will get that elusive 300 on the time slip and not just on the computer screen  :-D

Its too bad that El Mirage cant handle your power heck of alot closer to you than Bendover 

Looking foward to reading more updates as they come
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on November 10, 2012, 06:36:29 PM
Who makes a steel rod strong enough?  I haven't seen any advertised that can handle mid to high hp motors.  Give u's some hints. :-D
For what its worth, We've been using Oliver Bros exclusively for about 8 years and have never had a problem. Their hp rating is very conservative. We regularly make 2300+ hp on these rods.
I believe turbo engines to be a bit easier on rods than blower though. Ex back pressure may cushion the load at tdc on ex stroke?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on November 19, 2012, 03:32:04 PM
I am going with bvillercr on this.
We have been using Oliver and Carrillo(CP) rods in our engines at the salt for 15 plus years.
I personally like the Oliver rods better and have several engines that put over 2300 to the tire and 9000+rpm with zero failures.
I can also say that I build lots of turbo drag engines and use both aluminum and billet (plate) steel rods. Lots with over 2500-3000 hp no failures of the rods.  Rods normally fail for a few reasons bearing failures (easy to see), detonation (can break the rods, cause bearing failure, split rod, crack wrist pins, fail pistons,.........), and over speed pull them in half (easily seen from necking in the rod at the failure).
I do not like aluminum in land speed applications but have used them as they do a great job of acting as a shock to keep from hurting the crank (but you need to check them after every pass like we do in drag racing, looking for bearing issues and cracks in the rod joint)
Aluminum has an issue with fatigue and if you do have detonation the rod is more likely to fail with the heat increase in the rod beam versus a steel (but you may get a bearing).
Also remember that Pro-charger takes about 700-800 to drive at 40 +psi so the rod is experience HP at the crank plus 700-800 hp.
By the way why do you need that kind of power in a land speed car?  Our old Buick could easily make 2000 plus but aero limited us and anything over 1300 was wasted.
Paul Powell
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on November 20, 2012, 10:34:00 PM
I'm glad I read this post. I've never built a turbo motor before and rods were a question mark but on this info I'll be buying Oliver for sure. Thanks man.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 24, 2012, 08:22:01 PM
I am going with bvillercr on this.
We have been using Oliver and Carrillo(CP) rods in our engines at the salt for 15 plus years.
I personally like the Oliver rods better and have several engines that put over 2300 to the tire and 9000+rpm with zero failures.
I can also say that I build lots of turbo drag engines and use both aluminum and billet (plate) steel rods. Lots with over 2500-3000 hp no failures of the rods.  Rods normally fail for a few reasons bearing failures (easy to see), detonation (can break the rods, cause bearing failure, split rod, crack wrist pins, fail pistons,.........), and over speed pull them in half (easily seen from necking in the rod at the failure).
I do not like aluminum in land speed applications but have used them as they do a great job of acting as a shock to keep from hurting the crank (but you need to check them after every pass like we do in drag racing, looking for bearing issues and cracks in the rod joint)
Aluminum has an issue with fatigue and if you do have detonation the rod is more likely to fail with the heat increase in the rod beam versus a steel (but you may get a bearing).
Also remember that Pro-charger takes about 700-800 to drive at 40 +psi so the rod is experience HP at the crank plus 700-800 hp.
By the way why do you need that kind of power in a land speed car?  Our old Buick could easily make 2000 plus but aero limited us and anything over 1300 was wasted.
Paul Powell
 


  Hi Paul... got a few questions what kind of engines were these rods in, and what were the rods length?

  700-800 hp seems way more power to drive a big Pro-charger as I understand a 14- 71 top fuel blower, that you can't even turn by hand takes around 1000 hp. Our Pro-charger spins easily by hand.
  Where did you get those numbers?

  Bville racing is not like drag racing. In drag racing its full throttle from start to finish accelerating 2250 lbs
to 320 +mph in 4.8 sec or less, loading the engine and using the 8000 hp [now 10,000 hp] to the max.
 We have reached a top speed of 294 in the 1st timed mile with a 318 mph top speed at the end of that mile
but it took well over 10 times as long to get up to that speed and not full throttle untill high gear.

  What engine was in the Buick and how fast did go? how did the aero limit the speed. Did you need more weight or downforce?
Or did you need wider tires :-P 

  Guess you have never heard of the 911 roadster. 1st roadster over 300 mph, engine similar to top fuel, and roadster way up on the aero drag scale compared to the the 222 Camaro and way over 2300 hp.
  You actually wonder if 2300 hp is needed in a land speed car?

  Tauruck...Oliver rods might be the best for your engine but make sure your not comparing apples to oranges.

          JL222



   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on November 26, 2012, 12:36:47 AM
In my previous occupation, I worked with our chief engineer to fatigue test aluminum parts. We tried just about everything to make it live as it would have been a huge financial and weight benefit but we eventually had to give up on the aluminum tooling parts. I got to witness this up close and personal. We came to the conclusion that even the highest grades of aluminum will fatigue probably much quicker than you realize.  Also, the failures were much more random than we would have guessed. This is why some guys get away with running aluminum rods and others have failures.
 My 2cents - Aluminum rods have no place in any endurance engine and Bonneville racing requires an endurance engine.
Btw, titanium rods also do not belong.
It's hard to beat high quality tool steel.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 26, 2012, 08:05:42 AM
one down side---OLIVERS are much harder on blocks than alum or h-beams -- if one's stupidity can lead to pin and bearing issues  :cry:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on November 26, 2012, 10:21:54 AM
I am going with bvillercr on this.
We have been using Oliver and Carrillo(CP) rods in our engines at the salt for 15 plus years.
I personally like the Oliver rods better and have several engines that put over 2300 to the tire and 9000+rpm with zero failures.
I can also say that I build lots of turbo drag engines and use both aluminum and billet (plate) steel rods. Lots with over 2500-3000 hp no failures of the rods.  Rods normally fail for a few reasons bearing failures (easy to see), detonation (can break the rods, cause bearing failure, split rod, crack wrist pins, fail pistons,.........), and over speed pull them in half (easily seen from necking in the rod at the failure).
I do not like aluminum in land speed applications but have used them as they do a great job of acting as a shock to keep from hurting the crank (but you need to check them after every pass like we do in drag racing, looking for bearing issues and cracks in the rod joint)
Aluminum has an issue with fatigue and if you do have detonation the rod is more likely to fail with the heat increase in the rod beam versus a steel (but you may get a bearing).
Also remember that Pro-charger takes about 700-800 to drive at 40 +psi so the rod is experience HP at the crank plus 700-800 hp.
By the way why do you need that kind of power in a land speed car?  Our old Buick could easily make 2000 plus but aero limited us and anything over 1300 was wasted.
Paul Powell
 



  "700-800 hp seems way more power to drive a big Pro-charger as I understand a 14- 71 top fuel blower, that you can't even turn by hand takes around 1000 hp. Our Pro-charger spins easily by hand.
  Where did you get those numbers?"

Just know from the amount of fuel required to make the HP.  Most if not all of our cars have flow meters or they have electronic fuel injection so we know the amount of fuel going into the motor.  If you do the math (compare the numbers from a turbo, nitrous, of NA combination) you can see there is 700-800 hp (at 40 plus psi of boost) of fuel going into something that is not coming out of the crank (measured on both engine or chassis dynamometers or at the track)

 "Bville racing is not like drag racing. In drag racing its full throttle from start to finish accelerating 2250 lbs
to 320 +mph in 4.8 sec or less, loading the engine and using the 8000 hp [now 10,000 hp] to the max.
 We have reached a top speed of 294 in the 1st timed mile with a 318 mph top speed at the end of that mile
but it took well over 10 times as long to get up to that speed and not full throttle untill high gear."
I understand that very well as I grew up in the drags and only started LS racing 10 years ago (I can tell you a long story on my first engine for the salt way more HP and too aggressive for traction had to back it down to levels I had never tried before)

 "What engine was in the Buick and how fast did go? how did the aero limit the speed. Did you need more weight or downforce?
Or did you need wider tires :-P"
SBC (basically) canted valves (pro stock truck like a mini DRCE) 370 ci turbocharged on Methanol (no Nitro)  Car was 5500 lbs and tried MT Bonneville tires and Daytona and short track tires.  Basically when you got over 250 the amount of power to increase in speed was sick and tire spin became a huge problem.  Wide tires by the way seemed to hurt us more then help us.  Seemed like they floated at speed. Also down force with a wing causes WAY TO MUCH DRAG!!!!!!!!!

  "Guess you have never heard of the 911 roadster. 1st roadster over 300 mph, engine similar to top fuel, and roadster way up on the aero drag scale compared to the the 222 Camaro and way over 2300 hp.
  You actually wonder if 2300 hp is needed in a land speed car?"

I can tell you that pass and any close to that speed takes huge HP and the salt to be perfect.  I would be surprised if they came close to using 3000 plus hp.  Having it an using it are two different things  Just for reference
A car with a drag Coefficient of .7 (roadster territory) with 18 ft^2 frontal area at 7000 lbs only takes about 2325 to go that fast.

As a another reference our car was about a .32 Cd and had ~26 ft^2 frontal area at 5500 lbs and 275 the calculated hp should be about
1300 hp.  My fuel at speed right before the tries would spin was hovering at 1500 lbs/hr if you assume a BSFC of about 1.1 to 1.2 (alcohol without intercooler) that puts you at about 1250 to 1360 hp.  Works out pretty good in my experience.

a typical camaro (late 80's to mid 90's)
FA = 22 (could be less with mirrors deleted and dropped)
CD = ~.28 (in race trim)
assume 5000 lbs
300 mph speed
it only takes just less then 1300 hp to do 300 mph

That is the reason we built a new car, ours was just not going to be competitive in the class (if anyone built a car to the rules)

We moved to MS
and if you look at what someone just did in that class 380 + and a record over 360

The numbers required for that are
cd .22 ( bet they are better then this at least mine is)
FA = 13 (yes a Berkeley can be that small)
Weight 4500
MPH 380
it takes about 1350 hp to do that!

Size matters! :cheers:

Paul Powell

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 26, 2012, 02:13:12 PM
  Well Paul... Guess the 911 roadster answerd your own question ''do you really need that much hp for land speed racing?''  AND that speed was in the 4th mile not the last :-o  Fuel tank not big enough to go farther.
 
  As far as the 222 Camaro we had a 21/4 time of 280+mph and 294 mph average in the 1st mile [mile 3] from start with a data log indicated top speed of 318 and 2 more miles to go.

  BNI now gives a time in the 2nd mile from start and we had a time 9 mph faster than on our 294 mph pass the day before on a tune up pass.

 I have a Bonneville Pro computer program which I inputted 2400 hp and it indicates it should take 8 sec to go
from 6500 rpm to 7000 rpm and we did it in just over 4 sec.

  I tested the accuracy of the program against the CD-frontal area and hp '' guessed weight at 6000 lb'' of the Golden Rod  and it was right on. What does your program come up with?
 

  Build your modified sport with 1350 hp your competitors will be delighted.

  I put your CD and frontal areas for the Black Salt modified sport in my Bville Pro computer program and it
coputes 2100 hp to go that speed. I posted about this after Black Salt ran 280 with different CD and frontal area
 '' just estimating'' and came up with 2500 hp. It could have more with the amount of wheel spin they had and still have that speed. But just guessing on CD- frontal area and weight.

  If you ever watched there videos you can see that if they ever get more traction it's  going to possibly go over
400 mph :-o  BUT not with 1350 hp.

  So what was your rod length and gearing to get 9000 rpm at 275 mph?

  You know apples and oranges.

            JL222

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on November 26, 2012, 08:56:05 PM
After reading my post, it made me sound a bit like a "know it all". Not my intention. I do apologize for my choice of words.  I will shut up now! :-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on November 26, 2012, 10:17:13 PM
Rob, contributions like that are constructive and allow a person to look at things from another angle. Whether one chooses to accept or reject the information submitted it certainly broadens ones perspective and that's good.  :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 27, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
In my previous occupation, I worked with our chief engineer to fatigue test aluminum parts. We tried just about everything to make it live as it would have been a huge financial and weight benefit but we eventually had to give up on the aluminum tooling parts. I got to witness this up close and personal. We came to the conclusion that even the highest grades of aluminum will fatigue probably much quicker than you realize.  Also, the failures were much more random than we would have guessed. This is why some guys get away with running aluminum rods and others have failures.
 My 2cents - Aluminum rods have no place in any endurance engine and Bonneville racing requires an endurance engine.
Btw, titanium rods also do not belong.
It's hard to beat high quality tool steel.

  Rob and Paul The rods we use were made from a special aluminum alloy developed by Boeing. Billett aluminum plate then forged. These rods are used in top fuel and blown alcohol engines, Some alcohol engines shifting at 10,000 rpm :-o WHY do they use aluminum rods?
  I suspect, among other things, its the weight of a steel rod pulling it apart.
Obviously 4340 chromemoly is way stronger than any aluminum. Never seen an aluminum crank used.
 
  The point is don't compare a short stroke motor with a 6'' long rod to our 7'' rods.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on November 27, 2012, 02:40:23 PM
JL222,
As for only bringing 1350 hp that is not even close to the output we can make.  That is all we could use(in the Buick).  More boost just caused wheel spin.  But since that was way less then 15 psi boost I am sure we can cover what we need.

As far as the Black Salt car I would assume much less then 2100 hp to get that speed.  Even the video shows lots of in and out of throttle and still making that speed and averaging about .2 g's acceleration most of the way.

If we could get traction then records would fall very fast!  Since we run both ECTA and the Salt I can tell you traction is the key.
Look at Speed Demon.  The records he has recently set was with a C engine with 2200 hp.  As for durability they still have issues.
But from what I see they are still unable to put down the power (or at least most of it). and from my calculations is says he needs about 1850-1950 hp for these speeds ~480 mph. 

I just think that most cars have real trouble getting 2000 plus hp to the ground at the Salt.  Most I have experience with just spin the tires and are a hand full to drive.  (Scary even)  This whole conversation was about the rods so I will get back to that.
Looking at the pictures provided I think the tune (wrong A/F mixture or to much timing) that killed it.  my experience says that a tune-up that is maxed out (like I run on 95% of my customers and my cars) will do this in a pedaling condition (driver in and out of the throttle) because you cannot get everything correct when it is changing rapidly.  Again this is not about the true tune being wrong.  It comes from the engine conditions changing and timing and fueling already being delivered.  I see this in drag racing on quick pedaling with tire spin the fuel is there (with EFI or CF injection) the throttle closes, so the air is no longer there and the cylinder hammers rings, second they get back on the throttle and the fuel has yet to catch up but the air gets there and causes a lean condition.  This is only compounded by the fact the timing can change also instantly (between fueling and combustion event).  We have dealt with this on OEM cars for emissions by going to electronic throttle.  This makes sudden changes controllable (since you control the throttle!!!)

Back to the rods.  I use Aluminum in 90% of the engines I build.  I also turn most of them over 9000 rpm. I will actually be out Saturday with one a twin turbo BBC promod.  And we turn it 9800 and don’t have rod failures.  But on land speed I think the cycles are too long and can cause failures.  I use forged AL rods as well as plate but both have issues with fatigue.  My experience is aluminum gives me a fuse in the engine that allows me to step over the line with the tune around come back for another pass.  They crush bearings and compress before failing.  I see this in bearings after the pass as well as rods when we take them out.  With steel rods I kill bearings with detonation and can kill the engine in 1 pass!!!!

As for rod length “short”.  I like to keep my deck heights low, rods short, piston short (with enough for a real ring pack).  As you mentioned a real long rod and high piston weight don’t help anything and are made worse with high RPM!!!
I am sure you have more experience with this then I do but on my record engines this is what I have found.  Also on all of my 15000 + rpm engines we have never been successful with anything but steel or Ti.   But we were unable to stuff AL rods in a 600-1800 cc engine and make a full pull.  Plus the beams are too wide to fit in most cases (motorcycles).  From an engineering stand point I think Steel can fit your needs and be reusable!! 

I also think that if you changed the tune to be a little more forgiving (less boost, more fuel {Less Power}) you can get away with the parts you have. 

By the way I do enjoying debating things like this as I only get more knowledge and experience.   :cheers:

Paul Powell
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 29, 2012, 02:47:34 PM
 Paul... you asked if we needed that kind of power [2300 at the wheels] in a land speed car and said 1350 was the most you could use in the buick, as if you could'nt apply the power nobody else could.
  Now you wonder why I mention it, and that you can use more in your new land speed car? Looks like you learned something.
 
  Guys... I hope this is a lesson about believing everything someone post. Paul talks about his use of steel rods
at Bville at 9000 rpm for 15 yrs but spins the tires at 275 mph. Why would someone gear a  2000 hp car so low
 [9000 rpm at 275?] Bville pro shows 3O3 with 2.35 and 29 in. tires 22 sq ft frontal area and .32 CD.
  Or was that 9000 rpm a shift point not a sustained rpm on the way to 9000 :roll:
  Notice that Paul does not answer how long his rods are. I see the Buick was interred in C class, an indication his rods are way shorter than our 7 in. long rods. Remember guys apples and oranges.
  Got to think why Diesels are red lined at so low an rpm Dodge with more stroke than Ford with less [3300 for my Ford].

  Then Paul gives advice on how to tune our car. One that has gone faster at the 21/4 than the Buick in the 5th mile.

 Paul were not following one bit of your advice. We have it handled.

  You should be asking advice from the 911 guys on how they were able to apply more than 1350 hp to  [your .7 CD claim for their roadster]

               JL222

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Drury on November 29, 2012, 05:12:02 PM
  John, by weighing 6200 lbs. courtesy of a 2 1/2 inch plate steel belly pan and feathering the throttle.
  Why do you take everyone elses opionions as critisism?
  You, like me, seem to have a history of not making it down the track under power.
  Also, You like me are not afraid to try something new which I have applauded You and Troy for many times.
  I do not, however, aplaud you for trying to vilify anyone who has the balls to state his or her opinions on what may have caused or contributed to Your's or My engine problems.
  If you don't want peoples oplinions, save yourself some grief and quit posting.
                                                                                                              Bob Drury
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 29, 2012, 05:49:29 PM
Bob, what makes you think that?  JL222 asked a simple question that was never answered.  What most don't realize or believe is that we don't have problems with traction in high gear.  The better the traction the more HP that can be applied which leads to higher speeds.  Now in regards to taking advice from others, we have and we do; but not always.  In this case it's the later, why do you have a problem with that?  My suggestion to you Bob, is that you re-read this last page and try not to let past post cloud your mind. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 29, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
  John, by weighing 6200 lbs. courtesy of a 2 1/2 inch plate steel belly pan and feathering the throttle.
  Why do you take everyone elses opionions as critisism?
  You, like me, seem to have a history of not making it down the track under power.
  Also, You like me are not afraid to try something new which I have applauded You and Troy for many times.
  I do not, however, aplaud you for trying to vilify anyone who has the balls to state his or her opinions on what may have caused or contributed to Your's or My engine problems.
  If you don't want peoples oplinions, save yourself some grief and quit posting.
                                                                                                              Bob Drury

  Bob is that your stude with the 1/2 steel plate and 6200 lbs? Its not ours. We weigh 4900 lbs + or -.

  When Paul states he has run steel rods at Bville for 15 yrs at 9000 rpm and refuses to answere how long they are and when he did it, and inplys that's what we should use. YOU can believe him, BUT I want to make sure others are comparing apples to oranges.

 Then he ask why a landspeed car needs that much hp. and changes his mind on his new car.

  Bend over and let him blow smoke up your ass but I'am not going to let him do it to everyone.

  Hey Bob... richen your motor and back off the timing it will live longer.

               JL222

           
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on November 30, 2012, 10:13:01 AM
JL222,
I am sorry if I offended you.
I personal post failures when I am looking for information, feedback, help.
As for you question, the rod length in that engine is 5.620 inches.
You also state “Paul talks about his use of steel rods at Bville at 9000 rpm for 15 yrs but spins the tires at 275 mph. Why would someone gear a  2000 hp car so low [9000 rpm at 275?]”  That is not what I said, nor how we have geared the car.  That is not even is the same area of the world the car is geared.  9000 rpm is the max we turn that engine on the salt(with our gearing, expected tire slip,….. we were hoping for 305 but it was not to be).  We turn our similar engines in drag to 10,000 rpm with much different cam profiles and intake systems.

As for information I will post some of my engine specs compared to what I would think your combination is
                          LS C     Drag   Drag   Yours?
CI                        370     500       560    496
Bore                     4.195     4.7   4.65    4.375
Stroke                  3.35      3.6    4.125    4.125
# of Pistons           8          8        8        8
Deck Height           8.7       9.2     10.8    10.725
Pin Height             1.403   1.35   1.2375   1.6625
1/2 Stroke            1.675   1.8     2.0625   2.0625
Rod Length           5.62      6.05       7.5       7
Max RPM              9000    10500    9000    9000
R/S Ratio              1.68    1.68     1.82     1.70
Mean Pist. Spd      5025    6300    6188    6188
Piston Weight        590     625      680      800?
            
My experience is I can get away with high piston speed for short periods of time and low cycle counts.
Our 560 turbo motor goes about 75 passes before we replace the connecting rods.  When they are removed they have only stretch a few thousandths and have very little egging of the small or big end.  We replace these rods per the manufactures recommendation as well as experience.  We know that some will go to 100 or more passes most of the time but not ever rod may be able and we cannot afford to chance it.  I know that most Fuel teams get nowhere near that out of their rods.  But the stress they put them under is way higher than our 3000-3500 hp.  We have also found we cannot get aluminum rods to live in low deck (like the 500 ci motors) The 6300 piston speed kills them.  Also with our packaging in the short deck motors increasing the beam width was not possible and also would have increased the weight.

As a comparison I tried to figure how many cycles a land speed car would make compared to our experience.            
            
Passes               75          1      
time (s)              4          60      
Average RPM       8500      8500      
RPS                   141.67     141.67      
cycles per pass    567        8500      
Rod Cycles          42500     8500      

Looks like you are very safe for 5 plus passes to the 5 mile at a minimum.

I would also say that with piston speed weight is very critical.  As you mentioned the weight of the aluminum rod is much lower (about a 1/3) if all else is the same.  My experience with Hemi’s is higher piston weight.  That also is a huge contributor to the stress on the rod and should be considered.

This debate is very similar to our exhaust rocker arms.  We have been back and forth aluminum and steel. We found on NA motors Aluminum work great and is lighter.  On boosted motors we have gone to steel rockers all the way because of deflection when opening against the cylinder pressure was breaking the rockers.  It should be noted that the inertial forces are lower on the steel then aluminum but the overall weight is higher on the steel.  I am sure in the future we will be at a different conclusion on this, as we have been back and forth at least 4 times already.

JL222  I have not attached you or your program.  If you have assumed that was my intention you are wrong.  I am impressed with your program and hope that you exceed the 300 mark as well as take that production body record.  I post the information I do to help not start a battle.  I offer information from my experience with hopes that people with greater experience then me can correct me show me my errors.  When it comes to your program or any customer of yours you have the choice.  That choice is part of being in the Great USA.  I wish you well and hope the information I post helps someone think. They may think I am stupid or gather from my experience and not make the mistakes I have made.  Good luck on the Salt.

Paul Powell
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 30, 2012, 12:27:29 PM
  Paul...  Stroke is 4.325..bore is 4.1875=496 cu in   Not 4.125 and 4.375.

  5.62 rod length thats 1.38 in. shorter than our 7'' and trying to point out to our readers.

   We redline the engine at 7500 rpm [ not 9000 :-o] with our gearing =340 mph

   rpms on our 294 avg at the 3 mile [1st time mile] and 318 indicated speed at end of that mile.

   1st gear  5900 rpm-throttle position - 31%
   2nd        7450                      tps      - 39%
   3rd         7100                      tps      - 47%  
   4th         7000                      tps      - 100% after shifting into high gear.

    Gearing   1.85 overall with 28'' x 10'' goodyear tires but figure 1'' tire growth at 29'' =318 at 7000
  and 340 mph at 7500.

  Paul this is why you need a lot of power at Bville, to be able to accelerate after you get traction when the course
is going by at a fast rate.

  We lost a piston on this run because the piston was machined with not enough metal left at bottom of ring grove
were piston skirt narrows down resulting in blowing out of ring stack into inside of piston.

  I'am fairly convinced that our rod failure this year was because of our last minute trash of tearing the engine down and reassembling it. Laying under car to tighten rods [ manufacture wants one side tightened compleatly
in one steady pull then other].
  Beach marks on rod looks like it pulled apart over time lengthing rod allowing piston to hit head and jamming
ring lands. This destroyed ring sealing allowing ignited supercharged gas to blow a hole in piston from intake valve side. FAST efi does a great job of correcting air fuel ratios at partial throttle and was in low 10s and even in the 9s at times. Max boost this year was 16lbs

  We like to hold the engine speed below 7200 rpm  but in high gear at least 7500 :-D

           JL222

  Adding this 1 hour later

  Paul with 4 sec times that must be 1/8 mile strips.

  Was that 7.5 rod chromemoly?
  

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on November 30, 2012, 04:50:26 PM
Yes most of our racing in the south east is 1/8th mile. (I love the 1/4 mile but with most of our series they run 1/8th)
We do run some 1/4 mile and when we do the extra 1.85 or so seconds don't make that much difference in the life of the rods.  It does however save lots of parts (not running that last 1/8th).

I like your gearing.  That is in line with our new car.  (Winters extremliner!!!!) our old car was built with a 9 in and with the limited gear selection forced us to spin it to the moon and try overdrives (did not like the overdrives as the loss was pretty large to the wheel and rough on clutches!!!)

No the 7.5 listed above is AL! Almost all of our drag engines use Aluminum rods.  In that length I would use TI or make a shorter deck motor.  Or turn it less like you do.  7000 is much easier on parts then 8000 or 9000. (we use GRP, MGP, and Venolia)

We have tried a few steel rods E4340AQ being the most common material we have tried.  Of course if you use Carrillo (CP) they say theirs is a super special VAR molly but I bet that is the same as the E4340AQ or close to it.  

We are currently trying some TI rods made from 6AL4V.(468 ci small block turbo motor)  I am not as familiar with the TI alloys but I know this is different then the last ones we tried (because they were forged and this is billet).  They do make up for weight but the cost is crazy!!!!!

By the way some of the new steel rods we are trying look nothing like any rod I have tried in the past.  The machining is neither I or H more like a ladder (big weight savings!)

Hopefully they last since blocks and cranks are expensive!

I may have a set of the Goodyear tires that we may never use if you know someone who might want to buy them.  We set our new stuff up for the small M/T tire.  With the top of the body only 24 inches from the belly it limits your tires :-D.

Also I don't know if you are sponsored or get assistance from FAST but if you ever need anything with the injection I have been a WD dealer since it was owned by Felpro.  I keep a few systems here at the shop and bring enough with me to the salt to install a complete new system.

I noticed in your build that it appears you have an MSD 7531? have you tried the FAST ITC?  I have a few hundred hours with both on the track and dyno.  If you are using them be careful as the way they work can also cause very similar failures!

Paul Powell

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 02, 2012, 12:25:19 PM

 Paul...were not worried about the MSD and it can't cause the same problems.

 WOW.. a couple HUNDRED hours on the Dyno and strip with those ignitions?

  10 sec pass or dyno = 6 to a min =60 min in hr=360 passes and dyno  in one hr x WHAT 200 hrs :? :-o =72,000 dyno pulls and passes at 10sec. Double that for 5 sec passes and dyno pulls =144,000 :-o

  Whatcha think Bob D :-D

      JL222

  More to come on Pauls claim of 600-800 hp to drive our Pro-charger :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 02, 2012, 12:51:17 PM
not sure what they are driving this system with but we will contact them next week about the amount of hp it takes to turn it. :-D

http://youtu.be/hPVJUCAjAT8
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JustaRacer on December 02, 2012, 01:07:31 PM
Nice.

Sent you PM.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on December 02, 2012, 05:14:38 PM
If you can find and F4 don't use it.  They have a serious bearing issue.  Mark destroyed at least one engine with one (or a few they tried) the F4 was put on the back burning for now.

Well if you are using the slew function on the salt just be careful.  If you are on it to much and are at high boost it can be rough on the engine.

And yes I have lots of experience on the dyno (chassis and engine) and plenty of track experience.  I ran a durability facility for the big three for over two years (24/7 OEM and aftermarket) and we did off shore boat testing with 7531's (that is what they were originally designed for, when the props came out of the water to keep from hurting the engines before the throttle guy could back off).

I only put about 3-5 hours on my chassis dyno every week.  So my number my be off a little bit.

Check your fuel numbers from the dyno.  Look at your BSFC and let me know how much power you think it is using.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 02, 2012, 05:19:09 PM
Just caught up with this thread.

Nobody thinks that top-melted piston is a tuning issue??  odd.


Didn't you guys tune on a dynojet?   I've given up on using a inertia dyno for WOT tuning.  A 2.5 second WOT pull to redline is about the same thing as racing downhill at a 45 degree angle - and it's not a realistic load on the engine.  The other thing I've observed at Bonneville is that you spend 95% of your time at part throttle - NOT wide open, so you might want to make sure your part throttle timing and AFRs are in check.  You mention 10s or even 9s AFR at part throttle, the engine won't run on those kind of AFRs (or misfire like crazy), and your AFR sensor is maxed out somewhere around that same point so.....    Just my 2 cents but it looks pretty clear from the pic of the piston.   That piston is blowtorched.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 02, 2012, 05:22:32 PM
Quote
 More to come on Pauls claim of 600-800 hp to drive our Pro-charger :roll:

He's not far off.  It gives you back 4x that so it may not seem like it's working the crank that hard -  but it's why turbos are easier on the rotating assembly as someone else mentioned above.  The tradeoff is the blower motor is a more drivable engine so I'm nowhere near saying it's a bad combo to run.

Also, I'll back Paul, he knows what he's doing.  Consider listening to his suggestions, everyone here just wants to help.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 02, 2012, 05:36:24 PM
  You actually wonder if 2300 hp is needed in a land speed car?


Can you share your data from your fastest run?  If you can tell me your injector size and the duty cycle or pulsewidth they were running at WOT I can tell you how much power you were making at the flywheel uncorrected.  Rough guess says your car should be able to go 300mph easily on 1100 flywheel horsepower uncorrected, or about 1340 corrected FWHP.

As a point of reference, the #97 car (more frontal area) was generating 985hp uncorrected at the flywheel based on fuel burn.  Your and our data gathering systems provide very accurate metering of fuel and give you the ability to know very close to real HP numbers.  We were running 8-9psi of boost on those passes.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 02, 2012, 08:46:33 PM
  You actually wonder if 2300 hp is needed in a land speed car?


Can you share your data from your fastest run?  If you can tell me your injector size and the duty cycle or pulsewidth they were running at WOT I can tell you how much power you were making at the flywheel uncorrected.  Rough guess says your car should be able to go 300mph easily on 1100 flywheel horsepower uncorrected, or about 1340 corrected FWHP.

As a point of reference, the #97 car (more frontal area) was generating 985hp uncorrected at the flywheel based on fuel burn.  Your and our data gathering systems provide very accurate metering of fuel and give you the ability to know very close to real HP numbers.  We were running 8-9psi of boost on those passes.



 Yeah ...maybe we can go 300 mph with 1100 hp at the end of 5 miles [Bville pro says 1700] but we were going 318 at the end of the three with 2 more miles to go and accelerating from 6500 to 7000 rpm in 4.2 sec.

  Our fastest time has been 280 + in the 21/4 and 294 in 1st timed mile
 How fast was the #97 going at 987hp and were on the course was it.
 Seems I read Lee was never able to give it full throttle.

  How long does the #97 car take to accelerate 500 rpm in high gear.

  You think Lindsleys and Leggitt 291 and 308 records were only putting out 1100 hp :? They had a top time
avg of 333 mph, and Less told me they were tacking over 340 and this was in the 4th mile :-o

  You actually wonder if 2300 hp is needed in a land speed car?

  Dieselgeek ...if the ring lands get tight orslammed shut and the rings can't seal, the piston will be torched. A melted piston is not always from a lean condition. Lack of ring seal is what happened in both of our piston melts.

  I'll try and get a video of our data log [ Troys job :-)] and post it. but on our 294 run at full throttle in high gear
the AF ration varied from 11 at start 10.5 a tenth of a second later with a high of 11.38 and a low of 10.25 correcting constantly every tenth of a second.

  Dyno was a DynoDynamic and uses a magnetic train brake for loading [ made in Australia I believe]. It has 2 rollers and we were able, with our wide tires, and a few tricks of the trade, able to make a 2300+ hp pull without spinning the tires. I recall tire spin with the # 97 car at around 800 hp.

  2000 + HP is not unusual with these ProChargers. In the sidebar of the ProCharger video above Steve Morris
makes 2000+ hp on pump GAS and a blow thru single 4 barrel carb :-o

              JL222

   

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 02, 2012, 10:53:11 PM
 
 Paul and Dieselgeek...BSFC was not data logged or tried. All I know about fuel use is that ERC ends up with a
lot of my bucks. Then they seal the tanks making it hard to measure what was used after a run.
 And after refueling to make sure there's enough, the engine blows leaving a bunch of expensive lawn mower gas :roll:

  Troy just used some in his dirt bike yesterday :-D

 Paul...I haven't tried the slew but it seems it would be interesting to limit how fast the engine accelerates at
Bville. From what I understand this feature allowed the 1st 10'' tire drag car to go 200 mph.
 Does it drop cylinders like a rev-limiter?

             jl222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on December 03, 2012, 07:25:49 AM
Jl222 The 7531 slew acts like a rev limiter(it actually has two types, one is a absolute RPM curve {people call this riding the dots}, and a change in RPM/s that is the slew function).  That is why it can hurt the engine at high boost.  It can cause unburned fuel in ring pack (forced there from boost and fuel still being in the cylinder) and the fuel igniting on the next stroke.  This can be compounded if it chooses the same cylinder twice.  I have seen this when taking an engine apart from a customer that just rides the slew or hard limit curve a lot (normally trying crazy amounts of power to early),  before it damages an engine (burnt piston) you can see it in the rings, they loose tension and waffle the oil rings.  The real damage normally starts from the detonation as the oil ring goes away and then oil enters the camber.

The reason I used it so much is I tune 275 drag radial, tt10.5, and outlaw 10.5 cars. We have learned that it can save a pass if you break the tires loose but it cannot be used at a chassis tuning tool.  If the car is set up for a 1.30 short time using slew or ITC will not make it run a 1.20's 60 ft.  We also learned that when you try to run on it (it limiting the engine say for the first 60-100 ft) it will beat up parts quick.

On a good run we will never see the FAST ITC work or activation of the 7351 slew (by the way we normally use one or the other but not both on the same car, even though some have both in due to times prior to FAST having ITC).  But if you try a little too much boost or the track turns bad it will reach out and slow it down just enough (if set up correctly).  I like the FAST ITC (there are others with similar systems like Davis, BS3, .........) because it pulls timing to start with and only limits (rev limit style) if you get above a set curve.  But all of them work best if you have a driver that can feel the system working and back off if it gets to crazy (saves motors).

By the way if you log duty cycle or injector opening time you can calculate the fuel used to get BSFC.

As far as ERC fuel the price is rough for us East coasters.  We have trouble getting it to tune with and the cost is higher then we give for VP.  SO I feel you pain on them ending up with lots of your bucks. :-D

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 03, 2012, 10:40:26 AM

 Yeah ...maybe we can go 300 mph with 1100 hp at the end of 5 miles [Bville pro says 1700] but we were going 318 at the end of the three with 2 more miles to go and accelerating from 6500 to 7000 rpm in 4.2 sec.

  Our fastest time has been 280 + in the 21/4 and 294 in 1st timed mile
 How fast was the #97 going at 987hp and were on the course was it.
 Seems I read Lee was never able to give it full throttle.

  How long does the #97 car take to accelerate 500 rpm in high gear.

  You think Lindsleys and Leggitt 291 and 308 records were only putting out 1100 hp :? They had a top time
avg of 333 mph, and Less told me they were tacking over 340 and this was in the 4th mile :-o

  You actually wonder if 2300 hp is needed in a land speed car?

  Dieselgeek ...if the ring lands get tight orslammed shut and the rings can't seal, the piston will be torched. A melted piston is not always from a lean condition. Lack of ring seal is what happened in both of our piston melts.

  I'll try and get a video of our data log [ Troys job :-)] and post it. but on our 294 run at full throttle in high gear
the AF ration varied from 11 at start 10.5 a tenth of a second later with a high of 11.38 and a low of 10.25 correcting constantly every tenth of a second.

  Dyno was a DynoDynamic and uses a magnetic train brake for loading [ made in Australia I believe]. It has 2 rollers and we were able, with our wide tires, and a few tricks of the trade, able to make a 2300+ hp pull without spinning the tires. I recall tire spin with the # 97 car at around 800 hp.

  2000 + HP is not unusual with these ProChargers. In the sidebar of the ProCharger video above Steve Morris
makes 2000+ hp on pump GAS and a blow thru single 4 barrel carb :-o

              JL222

   

 


I guess I wasn't clear, I'm saying I can tell you the exact power you are putting down at any time by knowing your injector sizes, number of injectors, and pulsewidth (or duty cycle) at any point on the course.  This data wil be far more accurate than engine dyno, or calculator, or simulation figures because your EFI is carefully metering fuel consumption, and providing AFR data (so you know what percent you are rich of stoich).

Ours showed between 945 and 985 flywheel HP uncorrected for altitude, the entire time in 4th and 5th gears.  It's more related to boost than RPM for us.  Since you guys have a linear boost curve, I'm not sure what the data looks like but if you can take a look at your logs where you are on the throttle the most or longest, I can give you an idea what you're actually putting down.

I'm pretty sure it's not 2300hp only because that would mean your car is 2.5 times harder to push through the air than a 69 Charger Daytona, which doesn't seem right to me, LOL.   

Do you guys run staged (16) injectors?   I need to go back in your pics and make a closer look. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 03, 2012, 03:02:21 PM

  Paul and Diesel Geek

  FAST EFI only allows us to log 6 or 7 things before we run out of collection time.So no pulse width,but I heard you can get an add on for more time.

  Diesel Geek this was a PITA :-D not really though, and I learned that as the engine comes up on boost the car accelerated faster from 6500-7000 [4.2 sec] as it did from 6250-6500 [4.7 sec] :-o

 High gear at 54.3 sec  5550 rpm  AF 10.5  boost 15.63 lbs

                   60.1 sec   6250 rpm  AF 10.88 boost 20.57 lbs

                   64.8 sec   6500 rpm  AF  10.63  boost 22.6 lbs

                   69    sec    7000 RPM  AF  10.38 boost 25.65 lbs. 7000 rpm =318 mph with 1 in tire growth figured.

                    DG...there are some low 11s in between but the FAST knocks them down as soon as they show up.

  19 sec needs to be subtracted from times above for actual run time, as  data logger is turned on before start.

  Diesel when comparing hp, #97 to #222, you have to consider where on the course the speed was obtained.

  A dragster that reaches a 1/8 mile speed of 280 mph is making a bunch more hp than one with the same
speed at the 1/4.

  Hope this helps. Hey, I found out that as the boost comes up the power is really coming up, and the data logger
shows it. This also shows that the boost does not come on all at once.


           JL222

 








Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 03, 2012, 03:06:59 PM
 Diesel when comparing hp, #97 to #222, you have to consider where on the course the speed was obtained.

I'm selling a FAST touchscreen dash logger I'd make you guys a smoking deal on, then you'll know how much power you're actually putting down.


For example, the #97 car is built to make 3500hp.   Will we ever need that?  no chance in hell.   I'm telling you that the actual application of power for us was right under 1000hp at the flywheel, uncorrected for sea level, and I know for sure that your numbers are close to that.  If you were putting down 2300whp at any point on the salt (and able to, with traction), your accelleration rate would be nearly double what you're currently showing.  It's not a horsepower contest, I'm just trying to help you understand how much power you're actually using.   It's not 2300 and probably not half that.


Also you used the 911 roadster as an example.   That engine is built for 4000+hp, but they're only using a fraction of that to get their results (which are impressive).   That car's engine builder is on my Engine Masters Challenge team, I'm familiar with the program and have seen the datalogs, they also can tell you how much power they're using as they monitor fuel flow.  They seldom hit WOT.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 03, 2012, 03:52:47 PM
 Diesel when comparing hp, #97 to #222, you have to consider where on the course the speed was obtained.

I'm selling a FAST touchscreen dash logger I'd make you guys a smoking deal on, then you'll know how much power you're actually putting down.


For example, the #97 car is built to make 3500hp.   Will we ever need that?  no chance in hell.   I'm telling you that the actual application of power for us was right under 1000hp at the flywheel, uncorrected for sea level, and I know for sure that your numbers are close to that.  If you were putting down 2300whp at any point on the salt (and able to, with traction), your accelleration rate would be nearly double what you're currently showing.  It's not a horsepower contest, I'm just trying to help you understand how much power you're actually using.   It's not 2300 and probably not half that.


Also you used the 911 roadster as an example.   That engine is built for 4000+hp, but they're only using a fraction of that to get their results (which are impressive).   That car's engine builder is on my Engine Masters Challenge team, I'm familiar with the program and have seen the datalogs, they also can tell you how much power they're using as they monitor fuel flow.  They seldom hit WOT.

   We know we can't apply full throttle in the lower gears and we know were not using 2300 hp in those gears
but as the data logger shows 4.2 sec from 6500-7000 that's a good indication that the boost and power is coming up and its hooked up. What i'm trying to get you to understand is you need that power after it gets hooked up to get that high speed.

  If our power levels were the same as the #97 why didn't it have a 280 mph 21/4 and 294 1st mile speed.
and a top speed of 318mph? You still compare our power to the #97 even though we went faster in the 21/4
than the #97 at the 5 mile? 4.2 sec 6500 to 7000 rpm in high gear and same power as the #97 [give us a comparison on that]

  The difference in the 911 and the 222 is that they shred there tires after a run, our new tires this year still has the tits on them.
  If the 911 ever gets traction watch out :-o

  JL222

   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 03, 2012, 05:00:02 PM
but as the data logger shows 4.2 sec from 6500-7000 that's a good indication that the boost and power is coming up and its hooked up. What i'm trying to get you to understand is you need that power after it gets hooked up to get that high speed.

I understand that it takes power and traction to accelerate.

 If our power levels were the same as the #97


I'm not saying that either.  

why didn't it have a 280 mph 21/4 and 294 1st mile speed.  and a top speed of 318mph? You still compare our power to the #97 even though we went faster in the 21/4

Sure, if you went 20 mph faster than us in the quarter, then you're putting down more than 985whp.   But not 2300whp more.  That's the point I am making, knowing how much power it is putting down instantly versus guessing or using chassis dyno numbers (which are far less accurate).  In my experience, this is helpful information to know.  Why make more power than you need, generating more heat and working parts harder than necessary?  these are expensive engines we're trying to make live for two passes.  My approach is "use as little as possible to put two reliable passes together" - I'm sure you are facing the same dilemna.


4.2 sec 6500 to 7000 rpm in high gear and same power as the #97 [give us a comparison on that]

Looking through my data logs, I don't have any data in 5th gear (1:1) that spans 6500-7000rpm.   I have that data in 4th gear however, on our third run where we qualified for the A record.  Driver hit the rev limiter in 4th in the middle of the 5th mile, but averaged 267.747mph in that mile with an exit of 241.759.  It took us 13.3 seconds and the car went from 242.0mph to 260.6mph in that timeframe.  I don't have our transmission gear ratios handy at the moment.  I'm logging wheel speed with front and rear pickups ($40 per wheel), I was showing between 2 and 4% slip at this rate.

(http://www.1320video.com/img/album397/Sicilio_Datalog.sized.png)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 03, 2012, 06:09:29 PM
  
 DG  I love my BvillePro for stuff like this it computes speeds and times at different rpms and time, if a cetain speed is needed for instance ''240 mph'' I can adjust the hp info till that rpm and speed shows up.
 Anyhow by knowing the rpm at 240 mph I can go to the data log and see that rpm and time, same as the 260
time.

     260 mph data log time 56.50
     240 mph                     50.8
#222 time from 240-260   =  5.7 sec   #97 13.3 sec  

   This is shifting from 3rd to high gear

           JL222

P.S.  We have NEVER tried to make an easy pass just to set a record or get in the 2 club, its always as fast as the course will allow.

       
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 12:07:42 AM
 Diesel when comparing hp, #97 to #222, you have to consider where on the course the speed was obtained.

I'm selling a FAST touchscreen dash logger I'd make you guys a smoking deal on, then you'll know how much power you're actually putting down.


For example, the #97 car is built to make 3500hp.   Will we ever need that?  no chance in hell.   I'm telling you that the actual application of power for us was right under 1000hp at the flywheel, uncorrected for sea level, and I know for sure that your numbers are close to that.  If you were putting down 2300whp at any point on the salt (and able to, with traction), your accelleration rate would be nearly double what you're currently showing.  It's not a horsepower contest, I'm just trying to help you understand how much power you're actually using.   It's not 2300 and probably not half that.


Also you used the 911 roadster as an example.   That engine is built for 4000+hp, but they're only using a fraction of that to get their results (which are impressive).   That car's engine builder is on my Engine Masters Challenge team, I'm familiar with the program and have seen the datalogs, they also can tell you how much power they're using as they monitor fuel flow.  They seldom hit WOT.

  Dieselgeek ...in the above post were you state that your application of power was close to 1000 hp,and
'' I know for sure that your numbers are close to that'' and if we were putting down 2300hp our acceleration rate
would be double what were showing.

 Time from 240-260 mph   #97 13.3 sec
                                      #222  5.7 sec

   13.3 divided by 5.7=2.33 times quicker :-o  Its more than twice as quick as the #97  and  at part throttle in 3rd gear.

  Funny how this works out But  2.33 times #97s 1000HP=2300hp :-D

  Time from 295 mph to 318 -4.2 sec. and 2 more miles to go.

  Still sure #222 has the same application of power as #97

  Forum readers...I don't think we have ever bragged about the hp we make. We just post the results of testing.
  AND from the above posts I hope I've made the case for ''WHY WE NEED ALL THAT HP''

  There's more to it than just hp, in our case, its getting it hooked up +HP.

             JL222 :cheers:


             

               

 

   

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 05, 2012, 12:10:40 AM
 Diesel when comparing hp, #97 to #222, you have to consider where on the course the speed was obtained.

I'm selling a FAST touchscreen dash logger I'd make you guys a smoking deal on, then you'll know how much power you're actually putting down.


For example, the #97 car is built to make 3500hp.   Will we ever need that?  no chance in hell.   I'm telling you that the actual application of power for us was right under 1000hp at the flywheel, uncorrected for sea level, and I know for sure that your numbers are close to that.  If you were putting down 2300whp at any point on the salt (and able to, with traction), your accelleration rate would be nearly double what you're currently showing.  It's not a horsepower contest, I'm just trying to help you understand how much power you're actually using.   It's not 2300 and probably not half that.


Also you used the 911 roadster as an example.   That engine is built for 4000+hp, but they're only using a fraction of that to get their results (which are impressive).   That car's engine builder is on my Engine Masters Challenge team, I'm familiar with the program and have seen the datalogs, they also can tell you how much power they're using as they monitor fuel flow.  They seldom hit WOT.

  Dieselgeek ...in the above post were you state that your application of power was close to 1000 hp,and
'' I know for sure that your numbers are close to that'' and if we were putting down 2300hp our acceleration rate
would be double what were showing.

 Time from 240-260 mph   #97 13.3 sec
                                      #222  5.7 sec

   13.3 divided by 5.7=2.33 times quicker :-o  Its more than twice as quick as the #97  and  at part throttle in 3rd gear.

  Funny how this works out But  2.33 times #97s 1000HP=2300hp :-D

  Time from 295 mph to 318 -4.2 sec. and 2 more miles to go.

  Still sure #222 has the same application of power as #97

  Forum readers...I don't think we have ever bragged about the hp we make. We just post the results of testing.
  AND from the above posts I hope I've made the case for ''WHY WE NEED ALL THAT HP''

  There's more to it than just hp, in our case, its getting it hooked up +HP.

             JL222 :cheers:


Where does your speed input come from?  Wheel speed sensor?  GPS?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 12:44:26 AM
 
 Like I said in another post BvillePro computes the speed at a lot of rpms I enter 29'' for our 28'' tires. In the past
 we had an exit speed of 275 mph and found that we had 11/2 in. Tire growth. After over 10 yrs of use I bought
new ones because I was worried about age, but the wear holes were still there. Wish I would have measured the depth but not close to being gone.

  We havn't had an exit speed with the new tires but there's a pic of them here with the tits still on them after
reaching 280 in the 1ST mile loosing a rod and getting a time of 260+

  Intering 29.5'' tires, BvillePro computes 323mph at 7020 rpm.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 05, 2012, 12:59:49 AM
Sounds like there is the problem. 

You are using rear wheel speed believing that the car is accelerating that fast.  This would work if you had zero wheelspin...   

Using wheelspeed to determine acceleration without knowing % slip is just telling you that you can spin the tires really quickly.  There's no data that shows you accelerated the entire car that fast then?   GPS data, or front wheel speed is needed before you know if the whole car changed speed that quick.

For example, if we're comparing similar data, I look at my first gear rear wheel speed that went from 114mph to 138mph in .67 seconds.   Sure, that'd be awesome (top fueler) acceleration but I know that this data is bogus because my FRONT wheel speed only goes up 114mph to 117mph during the same timeframe.  I can't assume the car went from 114mph to 138mph in a half second just because I can spin the tires that fast.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 01:31:47 AM
Sounds like there is the problem. 

You are using rear wheel speed believing that the car is accelerating that fast.  This would work if you had zero wheelspin...   

Using wheelspeed to determine acceleration without knowing % slip is just telling you that you can spin the tires really quickly.  There's no data that shows you accelerated the entire car that fast then?   GPS data, or front wheel speed is needed before you know if the whole car changed speed that quick.

For example, if we're comparing similar data, I look at my first gear rear wheel speed that went from 114mph to 138mph in .67 seconds.   Sure, that'd be awesome (top fueler) acceleration but I know that this data is bogus because my FRONT wheel speed only goes up 114mph to 117mph during the same timeframe.  I can't assume the car went from 114mph to 138mph in a half second just because I can spin the tires that fast.

  Dieselgeek...give it up, quit trying to discredit us, we weren't spinning the tires on that 294 ist mile run and the tires and the data logger shows it.

  Look at our 280 mph 21/4 and 294 mph 1st mile time. Look and weep. Thats the same speed in the 2/14 as the
#97 in the 5 mile, thats 1/2 the distance. acceleration is double. and less than 50% throttle in 1st thru 3rd.
  You do believe BNI times  :-o
  Maybe you should be learning something. Go back to the drawing board.

  I have had enough of your BS.

              JL222

   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 01:37:52 AM
So today was the day that we finally cleaned the racer!  Surprisingly there wasn that much salt under the car. :cheers:  We got the car on jacks took the tires off and noticed on both rear tires that the nipples were still on them.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/51E69662-0445-412F-B4AC-7D78B895DF7D-3745-00000804C930DC48.jpg)

We did spin the tires just a bit, but were suprized to see them still there.

Now that the car is up high enough to get under it I decided to have a looksee into the holes in the block.  I could see both rod caps on the suspected rods that had exited the block.  WTF?...  Ofcourse since it's only a few nuts, we tried to take the pan off. :evil:  well we had to use a disc grinder to cut two studs off so the blown up pan would release itself.  We found that even though the caps were still attached, #5 upper rod did leave the building... By itself.  The good news is that the #5 journal doesn't seem to be scuffed or scratched at all. :-D. That's all we know as of today, We don't know how bad the rest of the engine or crank is, I will keep anyone who is interested updated.  A picture of our carnage in a pan. :-P

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9D8A08DF-8DDB-4310-9591-9DEAE340EE76-3745-00000804CCD81F45.jpg)

  Pic of tires after reaching 280 mph this Aug. No wheelspin.

 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 05, 2012, 02:17:53 AM
Sounds like there is the problem. 

You are using rear wheel speed believing that the car is accelerating that fast.  This would work if you had zero wheelspin...   

Using wheelspeed to determine acceleration without knowing % slip is just telling you that you can spin the tires really quickly.  There's no data that shows you accelerated the entire car that fast then?   GPS data, or front wheel speed is needed before you know if the whole car changed speed that quick.

For example, if we're comparing similar data, I look at my first gear rear wheel speed that went from 114mph to 138mph in .67 seconds.   Sure, that'd be awesome (top fueler) acceleration but I know that this data is bogus because my FRONT wheel speed only goes up 114mph to 117mph during the same timeframe.  I can't assume the car went from 114mph to 138mph in a half second just because I can spin the tires that fast.

  Dieselgeek...give it up, quit trying to discredit us, we weren't spinning the tires on that 294 ist mile run and the tires and the data logger shows it.

  Look at our 280 mph 21/4 and 294 mph 1st mile time. Look and weep. Thats the same speed in the 2/14 as the
#97 in the 5 mile, thats 1/2 the distance. acceleration is double. and less than 50% throttle in 1st thru 3rd.
  You do believe BNI times  :-o
  Maybe you should be learning something. Go back to the drawing board.

  I have had enough of your BS.

              JL222

   

What I'm saying isn't BS.  It may be what you don't want to hear but you know as well as I do that you're using wheel speed as if it's the same as acceleration, and it's not - nobody is out there in a production body car running zero wheelspin at 300mph.

I'm not weeping, or learning anything here, just trying to help you out.  Originally I took you for someone who listened to practical and realistic advice.   No need to try to put me down, my approach seems to be working, although we're going for records - not wheelspin contests.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 12:47:06 PM
Slick, glad you could here it.  We got a nice visit from Freud and Brett in impound.  The good news is we went 280 in the 2 1/4 and :cheers: 294 in the first mile. :-D. The bad news is that we won't be able to back it up. :-(. We hurt piston 1 and 6, and we don't have spare parts to replace it.  Like slick had said early, there is a lot left in this car/motor.  JL222 said he wasn't into the gas that hard until high gear.  We will wait and see if a door slammer can beat that 1/4 or mile time this year.  We did see a few new contenders and some vets here that could do it.  We will have to wait and see. :mrgreen: We are pretty happy with the speeds but bummed that we couldn't back it up.

  YOU help ME out, how is that :? Were the ones going  280 mph in 21/4 miles and 294 avg in 1st verses #97 280mph in 5 miles. #97 takes twice as long to get to 280 and you call it a
 Wheel spin contest?

  And your trying to help me out :?  I feel sorry for the #97 team but am glad they have you.

 Wake up and face the facts.

  Not only BS, also delusional  ''one that persist psychotically''

                        JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on December 05, 2012, 02:01:30 PM
I think you guys need to knock it off before the name calling starts.  Pissing contests are ok but you guys are getting mad at this point.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 05:06:37 PM
That is one baaad car, sittin at the two lookin through my camera I was amazed to see it comin so quick! Heard the 294 over the radio and dam near fell over, by far one of the most exciting cars to watch and listen to on the salt.
Worth a trip to the dust bowl in May just to see it go again.
 :cheers:
Dan

Did you get any video of the runs?

  post from 2010
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 05:28:25 PM
In the first run the data logger didn't get turned on, but we did get our only video.  We may have been going faster in the first run than the second.  In the video(so I've heard not seen yet) it showed that JL222 shut down before the 2 and still got a 1/4 speed of 270.  I need to collect the SD card and post it asap. :cheers:

   After the 2 but before the 21/4 :-) We did run 5 mph faster on 1st run in the new 2 mile time than on the 280 21/4 and 294 3 mile run.
  It gets a bit confusing with the new 1st mile traveled to 2nd mile time, but I like having that time.

                         JL222

  Correction on 5 mph faster on first run it was 9 mph :-o Found out today after closer look. We tuned it right down :roll:
 Actually we new it wasn't 100 % as after adjusting the valves [ no stretching this year as lash was bigger not smaller]
we took a compression test and 2 cyl were only at 50 psi but dykes rings must expand and seal up cyl to still run as well as it did.

  These are the times between the 1st mile traveled and 2nd mile traveled     1st run....mile 2     [246.686]  21/4    271.818  shut off right after interring 3rd mile on 1st run.                                                        2nd run    mile2     [237.607]   21/4   280..513
 
 Troy tried posting video from my computer but computer went off line :cry: 

    JL222

 Past posts in 2010 after 294 run . BNI started posting times for the second mile after the start, this is the mile before the regular 1st -2nd-and 3rd timed mile

  Note... 1st run in new timed mile at 246.686 was 9 mph faster than the 237.607 time on our 294 mph run.

                           JL222

               
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 05:43:58 PM
Ok, here it is..... What a pain this video was to find the correct software to edit it, and all along I ended up using my daughters computer which had the software already built in.  Great Christmas gift from her family to her/me. :-D

Anyway, this is our first run and only video :cry: that I have for this year at Bonneville.  We ran to about the 2 and shut down soon there after, we went 270 in the 1/4, but we were going faster on this run than the following run the next day when we went 294 mph at the 3.  You will see water pour out of a water vent tube for the intercooler in which we did move later and need to modify still.  The GoPro takes a much better video than we have been using.  Hope you enjoy. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

   Post from 2010

  This is our best acceleration at Bville, and with the new 2 mile from start time of 246+ wish I had gone to the 21/4.

    JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 05:57:32 PM
Just a note about the time that John and Troy are at WOT. At the speeds they are running I doubt that they are at WOT much longer than 60 seconds, even to the 5 mile.

John, what does your data logger tell you?

Rex

  I wish we could run full throttle all the time [working on it] :-D
 
 On our 294 mph run 1st gear 6100 rpm 10 sec max throttle 30% ....2nd 7450 rpm whoops 13 sec max tps 44%
 3rd  7100 rpm 12.3 sec max tps 50%... 4th gear 7000 rpm 17 sec tps 100%   Total time on gas 52.3 sec for 3 miles
except for short push off. Top speed 318 mph figuring 1 inch tire growth with no further increase in speed thats 11.32 sec
per mile or 22.64 sec + 52.3= 75 sec for the full 5 miles. full throttle on that run to end would have been about 40sec.

                      JL222


 

 


    1st -6100 --108 mph--10 sec max tps 30%    seconds are time in each gear
    2nd-7450--  200         13 sec       tps 44%
    3rd- 7100---256         12.3 sec     tps 50%  tried full throttle at first of 3rd but got loose [ backed off quick] :-)
    4th- 7000-- 318          17 sec       tps ioo%  280 21/4 time  294 3rd mile average time  [between 2nd and 3rd mile]


                     JL222

  2010 post
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 06:07:26 PM
We definately had a few bad pistons.  This first one isn't too bad, but not usable.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston3.jpg)

Same one on the inside.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston4.jpg)

without the rod

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston5.jpg)

This last piston we think is the result of what started to happen to the first piston in the photo.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston1.jpg)

you can see the top starting to split where the intake valve relief is, on the right.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston2.jpg)

 Piston problems on our 294 run.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 06:22:15 PM
 
 I though we had a video of the 294 time data log in here someplace but I can't find it.

  While looking for data video I came across these old post.

  The only spike in wheel spin is when I gave it full throttle shifting into 3rd, and I backed off to less than 50% throttle, wheel spin shows up as spike on data recorder.

  The data also shows rpms every tenth of a second most in 50 rpms at a time.

                 JL222


 I
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 09:10:28 PM
The slug made an appearance in the block to check clearances.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/slug.jpg)

Now we just need to pull all of the sleeves and get new ones.  Anyone know of a good sleeve puller?

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/block.jpg)

Here is picture of our controversial tire sizes.  Front runners compaired to our wide rear. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tires.jpg)

  ''No one is going 300 in a sedan without tire spin!!'' More than one Bville racer has told me that.

  No one else uses these tires..But Gale Banks did :-D and so do we.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 05, 2012, 09:51:08 PM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 06, 2012, 10:20:22 AM
I think you guys need to knock it off before the name calling starts.  Pissing contests are ok but you guys are getting mad at this point.

Not mad on my end, this is thoroughly entertaining.  Troy should just make this a Blog post so people can't respond.  I'll stop since he's getting all sorts of upset and making slanted comments towards the car that tore up his record by 15mph but telling me all about how he has twice the power, etc.  Whatever dude.

I guess I'll be impressed when I see a 4 mile time from this operation.

Carry on and good luck!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Frankie7799 on December 06, 2012, 10:30:56 AM
DG, its John that your going back and forth with for the most part hence the jl222 moniker. Troy is bvillercr
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dieselgeek on December 06, 2012, 10:32:21 AM
DG, its John that your going back and forth with for the most part hence the jl222 moniker. Troy is bvillercr

I didn't know the difference.  My bad.  Apologies to Troy.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tman on December 06, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
DG, its John that your going back and forth with for the most part hence the jl222 moniker. Troy is bvillercr

I didn't know the difference.  



Does it matter?!?!?!?! :-D :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on December 06, 2012, 11:57:53 AM
John and Troy,
Looking at your datalog at Bonneville, I did not expect to see this type of carnage. I was thinking that a rod just let go. Timing and afr looked to be in line.
Glad you got it apart and we can stop speculating. Now for the 10,000 question- Why?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 06, 2012, 12:22:39 PM
I think you guys need to knock it off before the name calling starts.  Pissing contests are ok but you guys are getting mad at this point.

Not mad on my end, this is thoroughly entertaining.  Troy should just make this a Blog post so people can't respond.  I'll stop since he's getting all sorts of upset and making slanted comments towards the car that tore up his record by 15mph but telling me all about how he has twice the power, etc.  Whatever dude.

I guess I'll be impressed when I see a 4 mile time from this operation.

Carry on and good luck!

  disselgeek...now you say I'm making slanted remarks about us having twice the power but I guess it's not the same when you say we have half the power we do.

 You brag about tearing up our record by 15 mph [a record set in light rain, spinning through the lights with the chute out] and in the 1st mile. Chute was completely soaked wet on bottom when I picked it up.

  When you say your not inpressed with a 280 mph 21/4 speed and 294 mph time in the 1st mile. it just reinforces my BS- delusional- comments and adding FOOL. [Hi Glen :-D]

                    JL222

 
  

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Interested Observer on December 06, 2012, 07:33:42 PM
Just for kicks, an analytical look at the vaunted 294 mph run:

GM F-body, 20.4 sq ft, Cd=.3, W= 4900 lb at 287 mph (average of 280 2-1/4 speed and 294 average over the mile) gives a result of 1118 hp to overcome rolling and aero drag.
Time to go from 2-1/8 location to 2-1/2 at 287 mph = 4.7 seconds.
Acceleration in gaining 14 mph in 4.7 seconds = 0.136 g.
Force required to produce that acceleration on a 4900 lb car = 730.7 lb.
Horsepower needed to produce that thrust at that speed = 559 hp.
Adding drag hp to accelerative hp = 1677 hp being expended
Total thrust being used, 1677 hp at 287 mph, = 2191 lb.
Assuming 55% weight on driven tires, required coefficient of friction = 0.81  !!

In the absence of any aero downforce, car appears to be on the ragged edge of traction available.

Terminal speed under these conditions (zero acceleration, 1677 hp devoted to drag only) = 329 mph
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 06, 2012, 11:49:22 PM
Just for kicks, an analytical look at the vaunted 294 mph run:

GM F-body, 20.4 sq ft, Cd=.3, W= 4900 lb at 287 mph (average of 280 2-1/4 speed and 294 average over the mile) gives a result of 1118 hp to overcome rolling and aero drag.
Time to go from 2-1/8 location to 2-1/2 at 287 mph = 4.7 seconds.
Acceleration in gaining 14 mph in 4.7 seconds = 0.136 g.
Force required to produce that acceleration on a 4900 lb car = 730.7 lb.
Horsepower needed to produce that thrust at that speed = 559 hp.
Adding drag hp to accelerative hp = 1677 hp being expended
Total thrust being used, 1677 hp at 287 mph, = 2191 lb.
Assuming 55% weight on driven tires, required coefficient of friction = 0.81  !!

In the absence of any aero downforce, car appears to be on the ragged edge of traction available.

Terminal speed under these conditions (zero acceleration, 1677 hp devoted to drag only) = 329 mph


  WOW...Interested O...Those CD and frontal areas and weight are spot on what is entered in my BvillePRO
computer program. Only dif is 20.5 for frontal area. Did I post that some where?

  Rear weight is 66% and car weight is without suited up driver so actual race weight is closer to 5150

  We get downforce from the low pressure under our spoiler but don't know what that pressure is.
  
How is traction figured without tire width? BvillePro shows tire spin if tires get to narrow.
  BvillePro has an altitude entry but not sure of it's % of correction but entered at 4500 ft and 75 deg.

  Figuring 15% power loss at 4500 ft 1677 hp + 15% =1928 sea level hp

  We still had 2 miles to go, the boost and power was coming up and data log at 7000 rpm and Bville pro showing
318 mph at that RPM with 1'' tire growth. At 11/2'' its 324 mph pretty dang close.

  What hp do you calculate for 342 mph? Bvillepros predicted top speed for the 222 Camaro

        Thanks JL222  :cheers:

  
  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Interested Observer on December 07, 2012, 01:43:47 PM
Re-running the numbers with the new weight and distribution:

Time to traverse 2-1/8 to 2-1/2 =            4.70   sec
Acceleration to gain 14 mph in that interval =                   0.136   g
Force to accelerate car =                768   lb.
Horsepower to produce that acceleration =          588   hp
Sum of drag and accelerative horsepower =         1720   hp at wheels
      Engine at Bonneville         1911   hp
      Engine at sea level                      2085   hp
Resulting thrust at ground =             2248   lb
Driven wheel weight fraction =            0.66   
Required coefficient of friction =            0.66   
Terminal speed, traction limited =            331   mph

The two “0.66”’s are just a coincidence.
The small added weight had little effect on the performance, but the increase in driven axle weight made the run more realistic and higher speeds more feasible--if it doesn’t spin first. 

318 mph x 3% slip = 308 mph    Quit dreaming that there’s no slip.

And, I wouldn’t give you two hoots for Bonneville Pro.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JustaRacer on December 07, 2012, 02:18:57 PM
That's something I do not understand.

At least for me, rear tires spinning doesn't make the car spin.  I can spin tires past 150mph in soft dirt and it goes "normal".

So I assume a loss of front tire traction is what initiates a spin.  Either by aero lift or lack of weight.

ie - If I take a car with 50/50 bias, and spin the rear tires, they cannot generate enough force to overcome the front tires (assuming 4 equal tires).

Seems that safety would dictate at least 50/50 without lift, or more with lift.

If you put 4000lb on your nose, I'd be surprised if a good driver would spin a car.  It would take too much lateral pressure.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 07, 2012, 03:40:34 PM
Re-running the numbers with the new weight and distribution:

Time to traverse 2-1/8 to 2-1/2 =            4.70   sec
Acceleration to gain 14 mph in that interval =                   0.136   g
Force to accelerate car =                768   lb.
Horsepower to produce that acceleration =          588   hp
Sum of drag and accelerative horsepower =         1720   hp at wheels
      Engine at Bonneville         1911   hp
      Engine at sea level                      2085   hp
Resulting thrust at ground =             2248   lb
Driven wheel weight fraction =            0.66   
Required coefficient of friction =            0.66   
Terminal speed, traction limited =            331   mph

The two “0.66”’s are just a coincidence.
The small added weight had little effect on the performance, but the increase in driven axle weight made the run more realistic and higher speeds more feasible--if it doesn’t spin first. 

318 mph x 3% slip = 308 mph    Quit dreaming that there’s no slip.

And, I wouldn’t give you two hoots for Bonneville Pro.


  If I was a math expert like you I  wouldn't need BvillePro, but it works pretty good for me and comes close
to your figures.

 If i'm reading your numbers right 1720 drag hp [new]  1677 [old] =43 hp to go 2 mph faster 329mph to 331
or 21.5 hp per mile an hr not figuring increase in drag.
 Using 21.5 hp and not figuring any drag hp increase and speed at 342mph, 13 mph increase from 329=279.5 hp

 Sea level hp 2085 + low hp calk of 279.5=2364.5

  Now at this time I'll bring up bvillePro and see how much hp increase from 329mph-342 ...11:52

  11:55  Bvillepro shows 353 less hp at 329 mph from 342mph.OR 353 more to go from 329mph to 342.

  2085hp + 353=2438 AND 2435 is what is entered for hp in Bvillepro :-o

  My 1st try at 10% less hp was a speed of 230 and time was only about a min [but didn't check] took 2 more trys.
  BvillePro is great for figuring gear ratios and rpms, inter tire size-trans ratios-rear gearing-hp and engine specs
 press TS for time slip and presto your rpms at different speeds-to low rpms- enter a higer gear-to high -go lower

  For instance, after entering specs for engine and body type, track conditions ect, and pressing TS a timing
slip willcome up showing time-distance-mph-acceleration-what gear and rpm.
 say your engine makes 600 hp at 8000rpm and the timeslip shows only 7000 you would know to try a lower gear

 In our case we don't like to rpms over 7200 [overall gearing is 1.85]  going to Bvillepro to change to 1.75 and see rpm change. TIME 12:19 OK 12:22   Bvillepro shows 341.9 at 7520 rpms with 1.85 gearing 343.7mph at
7150rpms with 1.75 gears. Just bringing up Bvillepro and changing was quick but writing down new and old took the time.

         JL222

  

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 07, 2012, 04:03:24 PM
That's something I do not understand.

At least for me, rear tires spinning doesn't make the car spin.  I can spin tires past 150mph in soft dirt and it goes "normal".

So I assume a loss of front tire traction is what initiates a spin.  Either by aero lift or lack of weight.

ie - If I take a car with 50/50 bias, and spin the rear tires, they cannot generate enough force to overcome the front tires (assuming 4 equal tires).

Seems that safety would dictate at least 50/50 without lift, or more with lift.

If you put 4000lb on your nose, I'd be surprised if a good driver would spin a car.  It would take too much lateral pressure.

  You taking your doctors advice?

            JL222 :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JustaRacer on December 07, 2012, 04:24:34 PM
Not sure my vehicle is comparable. Yeah, 4k on the nose.  3k on the rear.  Never been much past 200, but it's like driving a Camry at 55 mph on the freeway at that speed.  You can take your hands of the wheel.  It has 36sqft of frontal area, and the aero of a barn.



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Interested Observer on December 08, 2012, 10:20:47 AM
JL222,
Discovered a misapplication in the terminal speed calculation.  The assumption is that the thrust applied in the 294 run was about as much as the surface friction would support.   At terminal speed, there is no acceleration so that amount of thrust is applied solely to overcoming drag.  One then simply calculates what speed results for that vehicle when the stated thrust is applied.  The earlier error was that the 294 power level was used instead of the thrust as the criterion to calculate the speed.  New data set below. 

Horsepower for 287 mph            1133   hp
Time to traverse 2-1/8 to 2-1/2 =         4.70   sec
Acceleration to gain 14 mph in that interval =   0.136   g
Force to accelerate car =             768   lb.
Horsepower to produce that acceleration =       588   hp
Sum of drag and accelerative horsepower =      1720   hp at wheels
      Engine at Bonneville      2371   hp
      Engine at sea level      2586   hp
Resulting thrust at ground =          2248   lb
Driven wheel weight fraction =         0.66   
Required coefficient of friction =         0.66   
Terminal speed =               356   mph

From this it would appear that you are closing in on a traction limit, but are probably power limited.  I also get 342 mph for  2300 engine hp at sea level and 90% driveline efficiency.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 08, 2012, 12:25:28 PM
JL222,
Discovered a misapplication in the terminal speed calculation.  The assumption is that the thrust applied in the 294 run was about as much as the surface friction would support.   At terminal speed, there is no acceleration so that amount of thrust is applied solely to overcoming drag.  One then simply calculates what speed results for that vehicle when the stated thrust is applied.  The earlier error was that the 294 power level was used instead of the thrust as the criterion to calculate the speed.  New data set below. 

Horsepower for 287 mph            1133   hp
Time to traverse 2-1/8 to 2-1/2 =         4.70   sec
Acceleration to gain 14 mph in that interval =   0.136   g
Force to accelerate car =             768   lb.
Horsepower to produce that acceleration =       588   hp
Sum of drag and accelerative horsepower =      1720   hp at wheels
      Engine at Bonneville      2371   hp
      Engine at sea level      2586   hp
Resulting thrust at ground =          2248   lb
Driven wheel weight fraction =         0.66   
Required coefficient of friction =         0.66   
Terminal speed =               356   mph

From this it would appear that you are closing in on a traction limit, but are probably power limited.  I also get 342 mph for  2300 engine hp at sea level and 90% driveline efficiency.


  We haven't said much about much about the power but the 2300 hp was at 6200 when the vibration unpluged
the power cord. It's rear wheel hp so some % should be added for flywheel power.
  As much hp as this is there are others out there [in drag racing] with over 3500 hp and on gas.

  I have asked SCTA [its been awhile and I can't remember if it was an official request] for a spoiler length similar to prostock [15'' verses 10'']

  We can add what the SCTA calls a Gurnney flap for more downforce, and had plans to do it last year but ran out of time. Guess we better get our butts in gear :-D
  SCTA limits the spill plates to 2'' past spoiler and gurnney flap can't go past that.
  A 3'' flap from end of our 10'' spoiler is about 45 deg. 2''would be less and 4 more angle.
  No clue on how much downforce this would add, or drag.  IO? :-D
 
       Thanks for taking time for calks  JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JustaRacer on December 08, 2012, 12:53:19 PM
...
  You taking your doctors advice?

            JL222 :-D

Just rambling, so if you PM me, I'll get rid of this post.

I've spun a lot of cars and trucks.  Nearly everything I've owned I've looped, and lots that weren't mine.   I'm told I don't drive smooth enough.  Bah! :-D

But, it was always because rotational inertia exceeded the rear tire traction available at first, then the front.

I don't think this is why Bville racers spin.  I can feel the arse end wiggling on the dirt and salt, and wanting to swap ends when the rear tires are spinning, but there is not enough rotational force to spin the car.  The fronts are planted.  

A lack of front weight/traction just makes me hit things I'm not supposed to when I'm not running LSR.

If you have no rotational inertia, and all four tires have the same available traction, you should not be able to spin a car.  When the rears break loose, you have less available traction, and you slow down.  Self-correcting.  

But, if the rears have a lot more traction than the front, and something pushes sideways on the front, the rears will force it to loop, and quickly.  This is what I believe spins Bville cars.  You are pushing the front tires sideways.  This cannot be corrected by steering.  Tires sliding sideways don't steer much.

I'm not 100% convinced that smooth front tires are safe for LSR, or rear weight bias.

Most of our safety gear is aimed at surviving a spin gone bad.  What if just a ribbed tire, or 50/50 weight stops this from happening?  Would it save lives?  

Anyhow, it's just something that keeps nagging me.  I could be 100% wrong, but I'm going by how the car feels.


PS - I run smooth fronts.  Just to avoid tech issues.




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 08, 2012, 03:23:46 PM
  The front runners we run have thread. If we ran 50 50 weight distribution we would just spin the tires. Been there done that with more than 50-50 dis.

  Has it ever entered your mind why formula 1 uses 65% on rear? with the addition of wings and much bigger
tires on rear?

  Do you honestly think that Grand National cars should add weight to front to keep from spinning?

  Spinning tires loose lateral traction thats why a car can spin.

  Try this..next time it rains stand on the gas on a sharp corner and see what happens [make sure your alone and no trees to T-bone :-D
  Or, wet or dry.. find a vacant parking lot, low gear, floor it. The weaving back and force is from the tires loosing
lateral traction.  Carrol Smith's book ''Tune to Win'' explains alot on tire traction.

  Your car weighs 7000 lbs :-D and 150mph. You need to lighten that sucker up :-D

                    JL222

  PS. now i'm taking your Dr's advice and go shoot some squirrels :-)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on December 08, 2012, 03:36:41 PM
JustaRacer, I've been following this with interest, and disagree with you on the spins. John's already addressed that, so I'm going to leave it alone.

I just want to know what car is yours? I missed it if you said earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 08, 2012, 03:40:18 PM
  Justaracer

  Would you give the same advice to the 385MPH DRM lakester. A lakester with the engine set back as far as
possible WITH skinney front tires.

 Damn, I hope I see them squirrels before they see me.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on December 08, 2012, 04:10:06 PM
JustaRacer, I've been following this with interest, and disagree with you on the spins. John's already addressed that, so I'm going to leave it alone.

I just want to know what car is yours? I missed it if you said earlier in the thread.

38 it's a diesel pick up truck, makes a lot of black smoke. :?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on December 08, 2012, 06:48:36 PM
Haha! Thanks Glenn- now I know who he is!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 08, 2012, 07:07:05 PM
 Justaracer

  Would you give the same advice to the 385MPH DRM lakester. A lakester with the engine set back as far as
possible WITH skinney front tires.

 Dodge, I hope I see them squirrels before they see me.

             JL222

  Got one :-D, at about 50yds with my new Savage .17 cal, shooting 2550ft per sec bullets [can get up to 3300]
 Major damage to squirrel and the coyotes will have a free dinner tonight.

  These are ground squirrels that ate every plum we had  [ 1 tree] the night before we we going to pick last year.
 This year they ate them while still green. Got the Walmart special of 100 shotgun shells for 24.99 :-D and got quite a few. Used them all up and got another box. But they get smart, as soon as I crack the door open or see any movement they jump in their holes.
  Anyhow I couldln't get close enough anymore with the shotgun and bought the .17 cal , its twice as fast as a .22 cal. Fun to shoot because it doesn't kick a bit and is easy on the ears. + the ammo is 17.99 for 50.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on December 09, 2012, 10:23:32 AM
He He He, got a savage 17cal as well. hurnting squirel rat ain't recommended if you plan on eating them, although they are pretty well prep'ed for stew. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on December 09, 2012, 03:33:24 PM
You guys keep talking about front to rear weight distribution when the real issue is where the weight is in relation to the center of pressure. The further forward the center of gravity from the center of pressure, the more stable the car will be. If you have this correct and you spin the tires, it will not swap ends unless you make a quick move with the steering wheel which, because the goal is to go straight, should not be an issue.
The faster you go, the less relevant the mechanical traction of tire grip is and the more important aero stability is.
Btw, I like those big rear tires. I know of someone who tried a set a drag radials on the salt and he said they were awesome. Too bad they are not ready for primetime yet, relative to sustained periods of speed.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 09, 2012, 04:21:08 PM
You guys keep talking about front to rear weight distribution when the real issue is where the weight is in relation to the center of pressure. The further forward the center of gravity from the center of pressure, the more stable the car will be. If you have this correct and you spin the tires, it will not swap ends unless you make a quick move with the steering wheel which, because the goal is to go straight, should not be an issue.
The faster you go, the less relevant the mechanical traction of tire grip is and the more important aero stability is.
Btw, I like those big rear tires. I know of someone who tried a set a drag radials on the salt and he said they were awesome. Too bad they are not ready for primetime yet, relative to sustained periods of speed.

  The trouble is havimg enough weight on the rear tires to keep from spinning them. 222 has always felt glued in on a good course [in high gear] Last aug it felt terrible, which I believe was because of the high and low spots running with the course [imagine the same on a drag strip and a top fueler trying to hook up].

  We have been thinking about bigger spill plates and maybe one or two in the middle. + the gurrney flap for more downforce, hopefully that would help the center of pressure.

             JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on December 09, 2012, 04:47:48 PM
Yes, I would make the spill plates as big as rules will allow. This will allow bigger rear percentages while still maintaining aero stability.
This is also the plan for the 3838 Vette this year.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Frankie7799 on December 09, 2012, 09:06:22 PM
John, was this you the other day hunting  :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK7Tc7X5Ueo
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 09, 2012, 11:35:22 PM
John, was this you the other day hunting  :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK7Tc7X5Ueo

  

  No, squirrels 4, bullets 10 :-D

  But I like that scope.

 Thats a herd of squirrels :-o

            JL222


        

    
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on December 10, 2012, 11:50:31 PM
That's a lot of squirrels. That looks like fun!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 12, 2012, 02:25:45 PM
 
  Good news, should be able to pick our block up from J@S East Valley Garage when I travel down to Santa Barbara for an annual New Years Party. 500 mile round trip :cheers:

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 14, 2012, 12:20:31 AM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222

  Rob...here's the videos. The 1st one is El Mirage, car hooks up and goes 152 mph in 10.2 sec. Then track turns bad which you can see from other video.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 14, 2012, 01:11:45 PM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222

  Rob...here's the videos. The 1st one is El Mirage, car hooks up and goes 152 mph in 10.2 sec. Then track turns bad which you can see from other video.
  Those times might go with the 09 video. I just remembering checking the FAST data log and coming up with those times for one of the runs.

       JL222

   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 03, 2013, 08:48:50 PM
 
  Good news, should be able to pick our block up from J@S East Valley Garage when I travel down to Santa Barbara for an annual New Years Party. 500 mile round trip :cheers:

            JL222

  Bad news, blocks not ready, but the really bad news is we found a hairline crack in the head that goes up the
sparkplug threads and into the tube area, and sparkplug is very loose in threads, to many things wrong to take a chanch on fixing. New head time.
  These heads are real rough when I get them, no way to possibly run without porting and o-rings on cylinder head needs to be machined and installed.

                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 09, 2013, 03:40:11 PM

Its a 500 mile round trip to Santa Barbara for us and we have the same Tax accountant as when we lived there, so killing to squirrles with one shot, I picked up the block from J@S  East Valley Garage yesterday and it looks great :cheers: Hunter even rubbed a little clutch dust on new welds to blend in :-D

 Got to start ordering parts.

             JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 09, 2013, 02:28:29 AM
 
 :cheers: after 7+ months we finally  got our grading permit from Fresno County last Thursday.
 
 Our grading contractor delivered his equipment Sat and started grading today :-D

 But some giant granite boulders got uncovered and need to be blasted apart :cry: [cost about 10 rods and pistons] :-P Still ordering them though :-D

  Here's something weird. We have one last test for the building permit, [ testing our well for water flow], which I had done before buying property, but now they say well test are only good for 1 yr. Any how, the grading contractor gave me the name of a tester that was on his last job. MIKE WATERS and he's a fireman, what a coincidence.
 For those that don't know. Our Mike Waters and retired fireman, icon of SCTA and BNI, burial was today :cry: R.I.P. Mike.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 20, 2013, 06:44:17 PM
 
  We won't make Bville this year, main reason is that we'll be right in the middle of construction on our new house and I don't want to leave an un-occupied property with a bunch of strangers coming and going.
 And a couple of our crew members will be recovering from operations.

 BUT still planing for next year.

 DICK'S SPORTING GOODS have a sale untill 5/25 on 12 x 12 shades for $139 and I bought two, + we had a
coupon for $20 off over $100 and the sales girl rang them up separatly for $119 + TAX = $129 each :-D

  They are 6' 51/2'' to the crossbars with straight legs which should allow us to lower and take off canopy in a hurry.

 Troy and I set one up in the shop today and with no stakes or tiedowns, folded it up in 1 min and 5 sec  :-D

  We also have started to use ratcheting tie down straps for the teathers. This will make setup, tear down and
canopy removal at night much easier than our old pipe style.

 Troy took a picture and will post when he can

 JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 21, 2013, 10:07:16 AM
Here is the easy up that JL222 is referring to.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/A4459667-30C3-45ED-A762-EA9514542DC2-1815-000001175BA46CF8.jpg)

Even thou we are not racing in 2013, we will be slowing changing and rebuilding our car/engine.  This is a version of one change that needs to be addressed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/0420C73A-2B5A-42B7-BB61-20392030F321-2456-000001C40CF9510D.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on May 21, 2013, 11:42:22 AM
Sorry to hear ya'll aren't running this year. Glad to see your back, I need some more ideas for the wife's camaro. :-D

Frank.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 21, 2013, 11:55:22 AM
I'll be thinking of both of you.

Come to Marlo's pit site at Speed Week.  They will know where I am.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on May 21, 2013, 12:43:00 PM
You guys were some of the first we met on the salt, and we'll miss chatting with you this year!


We'll see you next year! :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 23, 2013, 10:54:12 AM
And I was planning to bring the tequila this year!! Where am I going to drink margaritas????
John and Troy, you will be missed but I sure understand your reasoning.

Rex 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 24, 2013, 07:35:23 PM

  We'll miss all you guys too, guess will bring 2 yrs of Margaritas next yr :-D

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on May 25, 2013, 11:34:42 PM
You will be missed!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 05, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
With Bonneville quickly approaching the anxiety of not running this year is high.  We will work on the car little by little when the heat subsides a bit. Parts will be ordered sometime in the fall and we hope to have the motor and car ready sometime in April or May so we don't have to push to be done.   Ya right, it's always a push somewhere.  Anyway, she's collecting dust right now and we want to wish all of those racing good luck. :cheers:

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 02, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
 
  Now that I'm not thrashing to go to bonneville I can have some real fun :-D

  Grandson Andrew and I fishing the Kings and San Joaquin rivers.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 02, 2013, 09:27:27 PM
Sometimes refreshing the mind and spirit is as important as refreshing the car. Enjoy the break!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 15, 2013, 03:07:25 PM
 

  Made Bville racer happy this morning, ordered new Crane 9310 steel cam and their pro-roller lifters. Same cam, same lifters,
as we're happy with the hp it makes. Pocket book not so happy :cry: :-D

  After checking that cam fits in repaired block, will order pistons and rods, same rods, same pistons.

  JL222 :cheers:

 


 

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Frankie7799 on November 15, 2013, 03:41:45 PM
Good to hear parts are getting ordered. I know your pocketbook isnt happy but when are they ever happy when one owns a race car. Looking foward to updates and hopefully getting to see the 222 in person and meeting you guys next year on the salt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 15, 2013, 03:47:04 PM
Good to hear parts are getting ordered. I know your pocketbook isnt happy but when are they ever happy when one owns a race car. Looking foward to updates and hopefully getting to see the 222 in person and meeting you guys next year on the salt.

  Sounds good Frankie, stop by and have a cold one

            JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on November 15, 2013, 07:44:40 PM
Glad yall are back at it. It for me to refresh my self with you build for our 91 camaro build as we make speed. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 16, 2013, 01:49:47 AM
Glad yall are back at it. It for me to refresh my self with you build for our 91 camaro build as we make speed. :cheers:

  Go fast CAPT :cheers:

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on November 18, 2013, 03:00:11 PM
John,
Great to see that you and your check book are back at it!! Looking forward to the updates and the margaritas at Bville next year!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 18, 2013, 03:10:25 PM
So,with a year off to think about it, have you guys considered using some narrower tires? :evil:

Just kidding, good to see you firing up again. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 18, 2013, 06:42:40 PM
John,
Great to see that you and your check book are back at it!! Looking forward to the updates and the margaritas at Bville next year!

Rex

  It helps the check book when you reach the age  of mandatory withdrawal from retirement accounts :-D

  Might have to get early payouts for next year to cover everything as a lot of parts got thrashed. Block is repaired but still need

  new cam and lifters,rods and pistons, some rocker stands, one head and some valves, oil pan and new sleeves.

  Cam and lifters are to be shipped on the 21st.

  Linda starts withdrawal next year but somehow I feel its Las Vegas time :-D

  We took a trip to Vegas for Linda's Bday last month and had a great time :-D

  Yeah Rex some of the best times are margaritas in comfort of back of trailer looking out when storming.

             JL222 :cheers:

              

                

                
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 18, 2013, 07:06:52 PM
So,with a year off to think about it, have you guys considered using some narrower tires? :evil:

Just kidding, good to see you firing up again. :cheers:

  Planning on adding fairly large flap to spoiler for more down force

  We also have problem with panhard bar hitting on sheetmetal when springs are set as soft as we like so we had to adjust the

spring platform up to prevent  that happening,

 We have different bolt holes for bottom shock mounts and by going to top mount it will give more clearance and allow us to lower
platform for a lower spring rate and hopefully have the clearance we need.

  One year when track was good I was able to give more throttle than normal and I was thinking '' holy Sh.t :-o

                 JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lsrjunkie on November 18, 2013, 09:22:46 PM
AWESOME! This was the first build thread I read and I absolutely love this car! Can't wait to sse you guys on the salt. Keep the updates coming!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on November 18, 2013, 11:38:36 PM
Welcome back.

Save some time for the Bonneville NW Reunion  Feb 22, 2014

www.bonnevillenwreunion.com

More info soon.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on November 19, 2013, 02:29:37 PM
Just read an interesting thought about the cost of racing. "The cost of racing has not increased over the last 20 years, it still takes every penny you have!" So true.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on November 19, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Rex it was the same way for me in the 60's building & running my gasser for 8 yrs

Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 20, 2013, 10:58:17 AM
We have a lot to do and will get started as soon as we know the cam is a good fit.  Have to start managing my weekends!!  Can't wait to start another rebuild, getting ready to do it again. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 20, 2013, 11:20:59 AM
Rex it was the same way for me in the 60's building & running my gasser for 8 yrs

Don

  Yeah...Don, and spending the whole weeks paycheck on a mag and catching hell :-D

  But the hard part for todays youngsters to understand, is on 3 1/2 bucks an hr in 1963, we had a new house and Pontiac Gran Prix,still tough though being in construction.

  Sounds like we had similar lives, but I didn't run the gasser much.

                  JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on November 20, 2013, 05:02:32 PM
Back in the day I was un attached so the only hell I got was from me, thinking what a dummie i'am am spending all my coin

Looking back I probly would do it again, as I had a great time and made some life long friends too

G Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 28, 2013, 10:20:28 AM
Happy Turkey day to all of our fellow race enthusiasts. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 06, 2013, 05:21:42 PM
Step one for 2014 rebuild has arrived.  Many more steps to go.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on December 06, 2013, 05:37:59 PM
Zoiks thats one bumpy stick!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 07, 2013, 03:14:52 PM
Step one for 2014 rebuild has arrived.  Many more steps to go.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/50EC12DA-9C3B-4986-BA8E-A20587576CD7.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/50EC12DA-9C3B-4986-BA8E-A20587576CD7.jpg.html)

  Hey Troy...forgot a pic of the new Crane pro roller lifters  :-D

 Crane cam is made on special 9310 steel core with valve seat pressure at 352 lbs closed 811 llbs open. max rpm 8600. We'll never run that hi on purpose.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on December 08, 2013, 08:47:39 PM
John, I was bored this evening so I got out my old Don Montgomerys Supercharged Gas Coupes book. I saw where Arley Langlo ran A/GS in 1961. Did he have a Willys or something else? I got a bunch of autographs in that book from the old gas racers like Cookie Cook and KS Pitman.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 09, 2013, 03:23:34 AM
John, I was bored this evening so I got out my old Don Montgomerys Supercharged Gas Coupes book. I saw where Arley Langlo ran A/GS in 1961. Did he have a Willys or something else? I got a bunch of autographs in that book from the old gas racers like Cookie Cook and KS Pitman.

  Hi Gary...Arley had a 33 or 34 Ford coupe  around that time with a blown Hemi Chrysler. Remember a time of 124 mph at the drags.

  JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 11, 2013, 09:43:59 AM
We tried to put the cam in yesterday to make sure the bearing were ok, not so much.  Time to order new bearings and add their install to the growing list of to do's. :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 16, 2013, 01:11:24 PM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222

  Rob...here's the videos. The 1st one is El Mirage, car hooks up and goes 152 mph in 10.2 sec. Then track turns bad which you can see from other video.

  Another year already :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 19, 2013, 06:29:59 PM
Looks like we need to get back to Elmo so I can work on controlling my right foot. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 19, 2013, 09:38:50 PM
Looks like we need to get back to Elmo so I can work on controlling my right foot. :-D

 When Elmo gets flooded enough to keep the marbles in the cracks :-)

        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on December 21, 2013, 02:07:20 PM
Boy, I don't know how you guys drive on that stuff...
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on December 21, 2013, 02:58:45 PM
Sometimes we don't ....
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 21, 2013, 05:30:11 PM
I have gotten plenty sideways but I have never spun.  Maybe it's time to earn a spin pin. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on December 21, 2013, 06:27:28 PM
It's actually is not that much fun, once out of control anything can happen  :-(  :-o
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on December 21, 2013, 06:46:26 PM
This is not a spin.  It was an attempt to run in reverse as we'd read that roadsters are more aero going backwards.  Found out it was hard to steer and stay between the cones that way.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on December 21, 2013, 06:48:37 PM
This is not a spin.  It was an attempt to run in reverse as we'd read that roadsters are more aero going backwards.  Found out it was hard to steer and stay between the cones that way.

Shoulda let Freud drive... he does that reverse thing pretty well
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 21, 2013, 07:15:05 PM
And, Stan -- let's see.  That snout on the "hood" of the car is the exhaust, right?  Blowing backwards for a bit more forward thrust.  And then, down low just to the "left" of the "rear" wheels is the air intake.  You're trying to get some ram air effect -- and use the cooler air that's down close to the ground, too.

Do I win?  Did I get 'em all correct?

 :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on December 21, 2013, 07:25:11 PM
Just remember, Stan Back has me do some things with Photoshop for him.

I don't remember if I did this image.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 22, 2013, 11:30:59 AM
Can someone tell me what year Lindsay&Leggit went 333?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on December 22, 2013, 01:54:19 PM
Rule Book shows a 304 record in 2004 -- maybe part of the two-way?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on December 22, 2013, 02:20:05 PM
I am probably wrong but I don't think they even ran against that number for a record.

Lester would only let him run to the three.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 23, 2013, 11:09:13 AM
Thanks for the replies, I thought they broke on the back up run and the result was the 304. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 25, 2013, 10:50:04 AM
Merry Christmas everybody. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on December 25, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
Back at ya.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on January 01, 2014, 10:06:47 AM
A few posts back, the subject was spinning and going backwards, How about the time Coddingtons wife went backwards right near the timing slip stand?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 02, 2014, 12:21:54 PM
A few posts back, the subject was spinning and going backwards, How about the time Coddingtons wife went backwards right near the timing slip stand?

  She might have been advised to not brake when spinning, but when your heading way off course, toward something you should.

               JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 22, 2014, 07:08:29 PM
 
  Just ordered 8 Top Fuel pistons and rods from Bill Miller Engineering. 2or 3 weeks  :-D I usually order more for spares, but we still have 2 new rods and pistons + some that are ok from blowup.

  Troy's coming out Sunday and we'll be checking block over for a few problems. Such as scraping burrs off cam bearings
to get cam to go in all the way. Also to check if main caps come off and go back on with out problems.

  New house is coming along. Finished insulating out side wall studs today, drywall is on site, and maybe start hanging drywall tomorrow :-)

                     JL222 :cheers: 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 24, 2014, 05:27:56 PM
The list is big and another partial rebuild to come.  Let the fun begin!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 26, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/1DD12A04-1A31-4D3A-9417-2E5550447D41.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/1DD12A04-1A31-4D3A-9417-2E5550447D41.jpg.html)

Yes, it is time for some safety equipment.  Ya think? :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/CCC821F2-CF61-43AC-91E6-5CCCC5F119A3.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/CCC821F2-CF61-43AC-91E6-5CCCC5F119A3.jpg.html)

Yep it's time for new belts again.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/0DD9A36A-55B0-4429-94D5-1758A9F2265B.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/0DD9A36A-55B0-4429-94D5-1758A9F2265B.jpg.html)

Time to visit Diest safety and get these re-certified.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/ABAE24EE-78A8-4B23-81A5-729FECA79BDD.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/ABAE24EE-78A8-4B23-81A5-729FECA79BDD.jpg.html)

We did do some engine work today.  Took the main caps off to make sure that they would come off and go back on.  While they were off pops worked on de-buring a few cam bearings.

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Lastly we had to take the the inner cooler out to flush it and clean up the inside compartment.  That's all for today.  Much more to come. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on January 27, 2014, 11:25:08 AM
There used to be a nice wall poster like that one-- it was titled "The higher, the fewer".

Maybe we can re-invent that for a racing poster-- "The faster, the fewer".

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on January 27, 2014, 12:20:31 PM
You said it Neil, how about a T shirt?. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 27, 2014, 12:39:07 PM
There used to be a nice wall poster like that one-- it was titled "The higher, the fewer".

Maybe we can re-invent that for a racing poster-- "The faster, the fewer".

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

  Can't believe the confidence that climber has in himself, no safety ropes, nothing but ability :-o

  Been carrying that pic in my wallet to whip out when an inspector gets to picky :-D

                 JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on January 27, 2014, 01:05:16 PM
You never can tell about a climber's exposure when the camera angle is upward like that one. Free climbing does not suffer mistakes without severe penalty... unless you're just "bouldering" 10 or 15 ft above ground.

Tee shirts? How about it, Jon?

Sorry about hijacking this thread.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 29, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Send a photo of what you want on the t-shirt and I can make 'em.  Tell me about how many you want and I'll give you a price.  Remember -- full color photos are reproduced in full color when we do shirts -- no silk screen four or five only colors.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 31, 2014, 04:58:42 PM

  Ordered set of Goodyear 2932 Landspeed tires 28 x 10 -15.  $255 each :-D A lot less than the other Landspeed tires.

  They are used for Can-am and Nascar racing so they make more and must be reason for less price.

  Ordered about 1:30 from Carroll Shelby Int. in Las Vegas and shipping out today.

                JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 01, 2014, 08:18:53 PM

  Ordered set of Goodyear 2932 Landspeed tires 28 x 10 -15.  $255 each :-D A lot less than the other Landspeed tires.

  They are used for Can-am and Nascar racing so they make more and must be reason for less price.

  Ordered about 1:30 from Carroll Shelby Int. in Las Vegas and shipping out today.

                JL222 :cheers:

  Not happy with some of sleeves installed in motor after repair '' etched in different places from sitting after water injection. thought we dealt with potential problem by spraying a bunch of WD 40 into intake while running motor after run but figured out to late that intercooler still had water injection in it, so mixing with WD. Will take plugs out from now on and squirt a bunch of oil in cylinders and turn over with starter several times.

  Anyhow we needed to replace 6 sleeves,'' $600 + but I thought I had some 4.187 sleeves in a crate some were.
  Troy was out and we found them right away. Newspaper wrap says 2002 :-D 6 sleeves I bought thru National Dragster.
 Just have to bore to 4.250 and be good to go :-D

  Years ago had plans to build an A motor at 482 cu in got a Kieth Black 5/8 stroke crank and 4.187 pistons then A class was changed to 500.99, so now 5/8 stroke ''4.375'' crank and 4.250 bore and 496 cu in.

             JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 04, 2014, 10:21:37 PM

  Shocked to find tires at front gate as we were leaving about 11:30 this morning. UPS must have left them after 5:00 pm yesterday.

  Didn't expect them until after 5 today. Ordered tires out of Vegas Friday afternoon and delivered by Monday afternoon 8-)

  Gate sits back from road but tires were visible if anyone looked up and over. But I can be standing 30 ft back, in the middle of driveway, and most drivers never see me.

  Also took crank in to have magnefluxed and checked out,especially journal where we broke the rod. He couldn't believe we lost a rod as it looks just as the other journals, He says well it broke above the cap, ''yea but the rod cap was broke with part of it missing and we had to saw it apart to get it off the crank because the one bolt that was left was so buggered up a socket wouldn't fit"     

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 08, 2014, 01:57:34 PM
 
 Wow 300,000 hits :cheers:

  Tomorrow we try to get sleeves out. They can be a real bear to get out as these newer blocks have tighter sleeve bores.

  And we don't have the heavier slide hammer that you see them use at the drags.

  Gotta heat the block up 1st so it expands. Been using a cannon type propane heater but I think Troys turkey fryer is somewhere in the shop :-D

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 09, 2014, 01:47:31 PM

 Wow 300,000 hits :cheers:

  Tomorrow we try to get sleeves out. They can be a real bear to get out as these newer blocks have tighter sleeve bores.

  And we don't have the heavier slide hammer that you see them use at the drags.

  Gotta heat the block up 1st so it expands. Been using a cannon type propane heater but I think Troys turkey fryer is somewhere in the shop :-D

            JL222

  Sleeves not happening today. Grand daughter Peyton's volleyball team needs help from her dad.

  Found the turkey fryer though :-)

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 13, 2014, 08:55:21 PM
A couple of new toys to share. 

Our old jack was heavy, old and rusty.  Our new one is the opposite! :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/290141B7-B169-46DA-9786-9306D6ACFCC3.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/290141B7-B169-46DA-9786-9306D6ACFCC3.jpg.html)

New wide tires :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/13385C48-2345-4AA1-97D7-96CEEEF97E17.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/13385C48-2345-4AA1-97D7-96CEEEF97E17.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on February 13, 2014, 09:24:48 PM
OH No not wide tires!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on February 13, 2014, 09:40:14 PM
Which tires are those?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 13, 2014, 10:52:29 PM
Which tires are those?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

 Goodyear Eagle Land Racing tire #2932 28X10X 15 used in stock car and Can Am racing which results in lower cost at $255
apiece :-D

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on February 13, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
I have a pair of 27.5x10-15 Goodyears; must be similar. I scored a pair of NASCAR Goodyear rain tires a few months ago. Yep-- NASCAR rain tires!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 14, 2014, 12:49:55 AM
I have a pair of 27.5x10-15 Goodyears; must be similar. I scored a pair of NASCAR Goodyear rain tires a few months ago. Yep-- NASCAR rain tires!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

 Not rated for 300, but those rain tires are just what we need for El Mirage :evil:

          JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on February 14, 2014, 10:56:59 AM
Unfortunately, my car won't get close to 300!  :-(

From what I've read, Goodyear built rain tires for only a couple of events where rain was likely. The teams were supposed to turn those tires back in to Goodyear after the event so I don't know how this pair got away. They might be better than slicks on the salt, too. We'll see.

Regards, Neil
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 15, 2014, 02:17:10 PM
Unfortunately, my car won't get close to 300!  :-(

From what I've read, Goodyear built rain tires for only a couple of events where rain was likely. The teams were supposed to turn those tires back in to Goodyear after the event so I don't know how this pair got away. They might be better than slicks on the salt, too. We'll see.

Regards, Neil

  Saw a lowered diesel truck at Bville, mid or regular size, with giant rain tires, at least 12'' wide. Never had a chance to talk.

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 25, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
 
  Bad news... went to pick up crank after magnefluxing and they mistakenly gave MY crank to some one who lives in the San Francisco area :roll:

   Good news... Rods are made, pistons being coated should be here Thur. Not holding breath :-)

  After crank snafu, I was worried that UPS had dropped off rods and pistons at front gate and someone had snitched them, so called and checked order.

               JL222   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on March 02, 2014, 01:39:52 PM
OH No not wide tires!!!!!!!!!

From someone that has tried both wide Goodyears and narrow Goodyears back to back, we could not make the wide tires work on the 3838 Corvette. From what I understand, if the salt was drier and not like it was during the 2013 Speedweek, the wide tires would have worked MUCH better. The crazy thing was how much more traction the wide tires had at the lower speeds such as less than 240mph. The first time I ran it through first and second and even third gear, I was really exited because she was hooked up! Then a strange phenomenon happened where the tire seem to start floating on the salt and had trouble getting the car past 250mph. Switched to the skinnys and immediately went 276mph.
From what I can figure out, you almost need to have both types of tires with you when you go to the salt. This can allow you to squeak out a couple of decent runs together even if conditions are not so good. It's not like most of us can come back the following week when conditions are better, we have to deal with whatever Mother Nature hands us. When we went 276mph this year, the conditions were not good at all but that run did qualify 12mph over existing record. What I'm really trying to say is that the salt is almost never good anymore so we all need to figure better ways to deal with it instead of saying "Oh well, salt sucks this year, maybe next year will be better".
One more thing and I will quit rambling, the salt got so much better as Soeedweek went on that if most of the racers would have just stuck it out to the end of the week instead of booking out there, they would of had some descent salt to run on.
I for one still have a lot to learn about salt conditions but if I has a car that could fit both kinds of tires, I would take both kinds if tires especially since the wide tires are relatively inexpensive. I thank John and Troy for turning me on to the wide tires. Besides, they look SOOOOO much cooler!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 02, 2014, 01:51:18 PM
Just a hair brain thought about Rob's comment about the wide tires starting to float above 250 mph. Tires do generate lift and it is related to their width so I wonder if maybe on the Corvette the speed that the tire lift was sufficient to start degrading traction was the 250 area. Just a thought.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on March 02, 2014, 03:16:25 PM
Years ago, I think it was when the L88 Corvette came out, Slick Gardner gained 20 MPH by removing the

tires that came on the car and used B'ville rubber. He didn't lack courage....just traction and stability.

His last runs were around 180 as I recall.

Now I can't even remember where I put my Social Security Card.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on March 02, 2014, 03:25:45 PM
Rex;

There are lots of variables that come into play regarding tires at Bonneville. I haven't finished my car yet so I can't speak from first- hand experience but I can point out a few other cases that may be germane.

Sports racing cars routinely ran 240mph- 250mph at Le Mans and at Spa- their tire widths were enormous. I suspect the difference you found might be influenced by differences in rolling resistance, actual rolling radius at speed (how much tire growth was there?), rubber durometer, and the tread pattern. Wide slicks might not hook up well due to the thin layer of loose salt that exists on the surface most of the time. Under those circumstances a tread pattern might help but narrow LSR tires exhibit a greater pressure on the salt surface (lbs per sq inch) and may have better traction due to crushing the loose salt layer. I doubt that there is one choice with an advantage under all circumstances.

This is just my idle speculation- Goodyear may have actual test data somewhere.

I had an opportunity to talk to factory tire engineers from Dunlop and Pirelli at a Superbike Championship at Laguna Seca some years ago. They were very skeptical of narrow LSR tires' lateral stability and thought that, all else being equal, a wide tire should give better handling even at high speed. I'm reasonably sure those engineers had no LSR experience so how much credence their opinions had is uncertain.

One thing is for certain-- some measure of F & R down force will be necessary for both traction and stability.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wheelrdealer on March 02, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Years ago, I think it was when the L88 Corvette came out, Slick Gardner gained 20 MPH by removing the

tires that came on the car and used B'ville rubber. He didn't lack courage....just traction and stability.

His last runs were around 180 as I recall.

Now I can't even remember where I put my Social Security Card.

FREUD


That's ok Doc, you remember the really important stuff.

BR
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on March 02, 2014, 11:39:09 PM
OH No not wide tires!!!!!!!!!

Sorry folks, I made the comment toguein cheek. there was some discussion a ways back in this tread about some folks giving thes guys some greif about using wide tires... :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 03, 2014, 10:05:34 AM
The last year we ran we changed many things in our suspension set up.  That combined with a wet course was an uncomfortable and unpredictable handling car.   We will be making some changes for this year, with that said how many cars do you know of that has gone 294 in the 3?  Not many cars that's for sure, we just happen to run wide tires. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 03, 2014, 09:03:27 PM
OH No not wide tires!!!!!!!!!

From someone that has tried both wide Goodyears and narrow Goodyears back to back, we could not make the wide tires work on the 3838 Corvette. From what I understand, if the salt was drier and not like it was during the 2013 Speedweek, the wide tires would have worked MUCH better. The crazy thing was how much more traction the wide tires had at the lower speeds such as less than 240mph. The first time I ran it through first and second and even third gear, I was really exited because she was hooked up! Then a strange phenomenon happened where the tire seem to start floating on the salt and had trouble getting the car past 250mph. Switched to the skinnys and immediately went 276mph.
From what I can figure out, you almost need to have both types of tires with you when you go to the salt. This can allow you to squeak out a couple of decent runs together even if conditions are not so good. It's not like most of us can come back the following week when conditions are better, we have to deal with whatever Mother Nature hands us. When we went 276mph this year, the conditions were not good at all but that run did qualify 12mph over existing record. What I'm really trying to say is that the salt is almost never good anymore so we all need to figure better ways to deal with it instead of saying "Oh well, salt sucks this year, maybe next year will be better".
One more thing and I will quit rambling, the salt got so much better as Soeedweek went on that if most of the racers would have just stuck it out to the end of the week instead of booking out there, they would of had some descent salt to run on.
I for one still have a lot to learn about salt conditions but if I has a car that could fit both kinds of tires, I would take both kinds if tires especially since the wide tires are relatively inexpensive. I thank John and Troy for turning me on to the wide tires. Besides, they look SOOOOO much cooler!

  Rob when you posted  about your wide tire problems on the vette my computer had gone out.

  At the time there were fotos posted showing where the wide tires rubbed on the fender wells. I thought that might be causing a problem
with the handling.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 03, 2014, 09:34:58 PM
The last year we ran we changed many things in our suspension set up.  That combined with a wet course was an uncomfortable and unpredictable handling car.   We will be making some changes for this year, with that said how many cars do you know of that has gone 294 in the 3?  Not many cars that's for sure, we just happen to run wide tires. :-D

  Also the run before, were I shut off at the start of the 3, we were 9 mph faster in the 2nd mile from the start than on the 294 run.

  Just measured the wear holes in our new tires they vary some but most are .130 thou, then measured our old 222 tires that have several runs on them at .125 thou.

   Picked up my misplaced Crank from magnafluxer, and rods and pistons were shipped Friday :cheers:

                 JL222

   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on March 03, 2014, 10:16:49 PM
Tire rubbing was only a problem early on.which we fixed.  I made 7 runs with wide tires trying to get then to work. I think it was just the wrong salt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 04, 2014, 02:59:23 AM
Tire rubbing was only a problem early on.which we fixed.  I made 7 runs with wide tires trying to get then to work. I think it was just the wrong salt.

  Rob what air pressure were you using?

      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on March 04, 2014, 08:57:43 PM
52 psi
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 04, 2014, 09:33:25 PM
52 psi

  Year that's just 2 psi more than what we usually run, but we did have 45 psi one time and ran 288 with an exit speed of 279
with no problems.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 06, 2014, 12:10:43 AM
 
  Got the crank back Monday, yesterday FEDX delivered the rods and pistons and UPS dropped off longer studs for rear axles. For 2012 we tried wheels with more offset to narrow the tread width thinking there would be less leverage on the chassis and some other changes, As I've said before it felt like I would spin out at any time and the car usually feels glued in and stable at speed.
 So ordered a 1 inch spacer for 5/8 holes and longer Mark Williams studs to get wheels back to normal. Problem is that these wheel studs have a shoulder that fit the wheels that are just a bit bigger than 5/8 and would not fit through spacer :roll:
 Lucky that we have International Hardware a great place, that had a 45/64th drill bit. 47 bucks :-o as much as the spacers :-P

     JL222
 
   

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 06, 2014, 12:42:53 AM
Lucky that we have International Hardware a great place, that had a 45/64th drill bit. 47 bucks :-o as much as the spacers :-P

     JL222
 

Ouch.

First iteration of my engine, the cam was a regrind, and they bunged up the threads.

I've got no further use for the 5/8 fine die I had to buy to chase 'em out.

I'll keep it, knowing full well that when I croak, it will have not been used since 2010.  It will wind up in a box at the estate auction with a UNI-SYNC carb flow gauge, a spoke wrench and a Gunson Colortune, and the only reason they will have gotten $5.00 for the whole lot is because there was a Reddy Kilowatt patch from the Eastern Iowa Rural Electric Cooperative in the box.

What can you do?  :|
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Buickguy3 on March 06, 2014, 11:40:58 AM
    And the buyer will say: WTF was that old guy doing with this stuff?
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 06, 2014, 12:02:28 PM
    And the buyer will say: WTF was that old guy doing with this stuff?
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
When they see all the Whitworth stuff they'll say "Oh. He was one of those.  :roll:"  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 06, 2014, 12:28:34 PM
Worse will be when Nancy's selling all of my stuff after my demise.  the guys will be looking at this and that out in the shop and find an odd tool and ask "What the heck -- this 13/17 mm reverse-thread tap* looks like it was used only once.  Why did he bother even getting it?"

*If it's not that it'll be the 85 VAC soldering iron or the omnidirectional two-way tire gauge or such. . . :|
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 06, 2014, 12:38:16 PM
"omnidirectional two-way tire gauge " ..... By definition,. Oh, never mind.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 12, 2014, 12:10:37 PM
OH No not wide tires!!!!!!!!!

Sorry folks, I made the comment toguein cheek. there was some discussion a ways back in this tread about some folks giving thes guys some greif about using wide tires... :-D

  No problem Capt. We enjoy hearing how wide tires don't work :-D

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 18, 2014, 05:50:54 PM

  Lots happening today....got reservations at the Red Garter for Speed Week :-D new head coming -prefinished cabinets set on new house yesterday and 3 tile crews installing today :-D


  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on March 18, 2014, 07:23:01 PM
Is the head for the car or a navy term?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 18, 2014, 10:59:26 PM
Is the head for the car or a navy term?

  Militia :-D  HEY...this is Fresno county where our female sheriff Mimns has vowed not to enforce unconstitutional gun laws :


                            JL222  :cheers:   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Buickguy3 on March 18, 2014, 11:32:09 PM
jl222. Good for her.
 :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on March 19, 2014, 12:04:56 PM
I didn't know that law enforcement was the authority on constitutionality.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 19, 2014, 01:16:59 PM
I didn't know that law enforcement was the authority on constitutionality.

  They seem to able to ignore laws on immigration and allow 20 million illegals into the U.S. which has brought down the wages in construction that U.S citizens used to make a decent living from, and ruined hospitals that have to treat them and not get paid driving up the cost of insurance.

  The guys working on our new house, the ones that speak English are making $4 or less an hr than when we build our house
in 1979.

                   JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on March 19, 2014, 08:48:39 PM
I didn't know that law enforcement was the authority on constitutionality.

  The guys working on our new house, the ones that speak English are making $4 or less an hr than when we build our house
in 1979.

                   JL222 

Why don't you just pay them more, sounds like the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Buickguy3 on March 19, 2014, 11:28:49 PM
  If he does, I guarantee that the house will get done sooner and quite probably have a better fit and finish.
 :-) Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 20, 2014, 02:19:49 AM
I didn't know that law enforcement was the authority on constitutionality.

  The guys working on our new house, the ones that speak English are making $4 or less an hr than when we build our house
in 1979.

                   JL222 

Why don't you just pay them more, sounds like the right thing to do.

  Were paying plenty for the house under contract. And the reason we chose this contractor was because of the fit and finish.
  The subs do an amazingly good job very fast. Lots of cabinets installed, for instance, in one day.
  I don't have anything to do with paying the workers, the subcontractors do that.

  AND I sure as HELL am not going to pay an illegal alien one dime more when they drove me out of the tile business, when other
Tile contractors were hiring them paying under the table with no workers comp, taxes, etc. which I refused to do.

 Years ago working on a house,having lunch on tailgate, a pool contractor drove up and one of his workers says I need to change my number. I says how many f-cking numbers you got? I should call immigration. Contractor says go ahead he's legal, Yeah, then how come he needs to change his number? And since you challenged me on calling I will [this is before cell phones].

  I go to a pay phone, call Linda, see if you can get immigration out here.
 
  Later I find out she can't even find immigrations number in phone book or information, so she calls congressman Largomasino,
 he didn't have it and finally calls back with number. Linda calls immigration and they never came out.

  BUT this young carpenter, building steps down to the house that set below street level, says ''what's it to you'' I said ''tell me that 20 yrs from now. The very next job was a beach house that set below street level. GUESS whose building steps, an illegal alien :roll:
  I have a good idea their illegal when I ask them something and there's no speaka de English. Wish that carpenter was there.

             JL222

 




 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 25, 2014, 12:38:34 AM

 Stage v wanted pics of head at different sides to make sure head was the same. Troy took pics with his smart phone and e-mailed them .

  Got call today that head should be shipped this week.

  Then we ship it to Larry's Speed and Marine in  Tucson AZ to be ported and o-ringed.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on March 27, 2014, 06:00:57 PM
All the guys that do construction here are Alien and I don't mean where they come from. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 28, 2014, 10:10:42 PM

 Stage v wanted pics of head at different sides to make sure head was the same. Troy took pics with his smart phone and e-mailed them .

  Got call today that head should be shipped this week.

  Then we ship it to Larry's Speed and Marine in  Tucson AZ to be ported and o-ringed.

                  JL222
 

  Head arrived today  :cheers:

  Looks just like the old one, but not beat up :-)

                         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 28, 2014, 10:24:32 PM
I guess that means that looked at the pictures you sent them.

 :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 29, 2014, 01:05:03 AM
I guess that means that looked at the pictures you sent them.

 :cheers:

Mike

Yeah...it worried me that maybe they changed something but so far so good.

 It seems you have to be exact when ordering these hot rod parts. On the other heads I told the head porter the dimension on the heads to be ported, that the intake port floor was fine but the top needed to be raised 100 thou [from what I remember] or
whatever. Didn't do it and had a .100 thou step in head. So this time will install heads and manifold on block, paint heads with blue ink and scribe exactly were porting needs to go. Trouble is scribing front and rear ports on 4 barrel manifold. My buddy Dicky Griffen [200 mph member passed away a few years back] said he sprays paint down those intake passageways to mark the hard to scribe ports.

        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 29, 2014, 01:39:00 AM
Use a big shop vac in each cylinder and a shot of paint into the intake for each cylinder?

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 29, 2014, 01:42:45 AM
Use a big shop vac in each cylinder and a shot of paint into the intake for each cylinder?

Mike

  Yeah.. that sounds like the trick :cheers:

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: overdue on March 31, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
Use a big shop vac in each cylinder and a shot of paint into the intake for each cylinder?

Mike

  Yeah.. that sounds like the trick :cheers:

            JL222

 I have done this. On one side my port alignment wasn't ideal, on the other side the gasket didn't sit right. Very educational.
In threads this long, I read the first 2 (oldest)pages, then read back from the most recent, and except for your "wrong" engine, ginormous hood bulge, and the whole front clip arrangement, this car is pretty much exactly what I had in mind. Kudos!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 19, 2014, 02:13:35 AM
Use a big shop vac in each cylinder and a shot of paint into the intake for each cylinder?

Mike

  The vac did the trick, got some good marks for the head porter :cheers:
  Troy took pics and will post.

  Were having Easter for 20+or- so had to get #222 off the stands and pushed to far end of shop to make way for tables.

  Before moving we moved the shocks to the top mounting position which allowed us to lower the spring platform and get a much softer setting. We had to raise the platform to get the ride height we wanted when we 1st installed these new shocks and springs but it made things to stiff, the rear would hardly move when pressing down on bumper. Now it moves nicely and should give us a much softer wheel rate.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 19, 2014, 10:53:48 AM
New head on the right needs some major porting, head on the left needs a little.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/4B3B2DE8-D1BF-4077-88E2-D2DCE4480842.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/4B3B2DE8-D1BF-4077-88E2-D2DCE4480842.jpg.html)

Manifold is in place to spray thru it's port.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/EB8EC4AD-A7D9-4CCB-A415-68F750E16344.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/EB8EC4AD-A7D9-4CCB-A415-68F750E16344.jpg.html)

This should do the trick.  With advice from 4 Barrel Mike we used a shop vac to help draw the spray to the port.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/FA944BDB-3F85-4EE0-90A8-2567B563F774.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/FA944BDB-3F85-4EE0-90A8-2567B563F774.jpg.html)

Thanks Mike it worked great!

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/FF1C0CD7-BECF-4B4A-8015-3AC781162935.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FF1C0CD7-BECF-4B4A-8015-3AC781162935.jpg.html)

Cleaning the manifold after spraying was a pain in the a$$ though. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on April 19, 2014, 11:39:51 AM
It's a Bloody Monster whatever it is. :-D

Now that's a motor. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on April 19, 2014, 11:43:24 AM

Thanks Mike it worked great!


Even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while.   :mrgreen:

 :cheers:  :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 19, 2014, 04:34:16 PM
 
 Stage 5 machines the ports in about an inch and the sides and bottom match our intake manifold perfectly but not the top of the port. I told the head porter the top of the intake needed to be raised 100 thou last time, but that didn't happen, so this time we painted it for him.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Frankie7799 on May 03, 2014, 01:08:24 PM
Cast block and heads seem odd to me. I know you guys run water in your block and heads and you cant do that with the billet blocks and heads. Plus with me working on Top Alcohol cars at the drags, all those guys run the billet stuff. Then again none of those cars have ever gone as fast as you guys  :-) Keep up the progress. Hope to see you on the Salt in August
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 03, 2014, 02:29:06 PM
Cast block and heads seem odd to me. I know you guys run water in your block and heads and you cant do that with the billet blocks and heads. Plus with me working on Top Alcohol cars at the drags, all those guys run the billet stuff. Then again none of those cars have ever gone as fast as you guys  :-) Keep up the progress. Hope to see you on the Salt in August

  We have double trouble. We run gas which runs a lot hotter than alcohol, + we run 5 miles ''or try to'' :-D
  Alcohol has such a great latent heat of evaporation which cools the supercharged air that no intercooler is required as in running gas
  So, we run water in the block and heads, intercooler, and water injection.

  I've heard that one top racer running billet stuff on fuel would ruin the pushrods every run.

          JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 09, 2014, 12:14:58 PM

  Mailed Bville entry yesterday now have to get butt in gear and ship heads to head porter in Tuscon Az.

  Besides porting, head needs o-ringing, install and hone bronze K-liners and a valve job.

  New house almost done just waiting on finish plumbing then carpet and final inspection :-P

      JL222

     
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 05, 2014, 11:43:19 PM
[quote author
[/quote]

  We have double trouble. We run gas which runs a lot hotter than alcohol, + we run 5 miles ''or try to'' :-D
 



          JL222 


[/quote]

    JL222  Why is someone always picking on me :?

Old 1 Run over and OUT :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 16, 2014, 01:19:13 AM
Saturday we took the sleeves out and as always there's a challenge in there somewhere.

As I was pulling the third sleeve I broke the sleeve puller. :-P

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The next five sleeves we had to beat them out.

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After a good cleaning of the block we installed the sleeves on Sunday.  

We out plenty of high temp silicone on the sleeve and block to make sure there's no water leaks.


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A little help from the attitude adjuster and they went in just fine.

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No we need to take the block to get the sleeves bored.  The thrash is starting. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 16, 2014, 10:47:14 AM

  The aluminum plate goes on the bottom of sleeve and pulling up on weight allows sleeve to come out. the block has to be heated up to make it expand and we put the sleeves in the freezer to shrink them.

  A bit of a panic when puller broke but as crank was out we could flip the block place the aluminum plate on bottom of sleeve and use the broken rod to pound them out. WHEW :-P

   Everything happening at once trying to get car together and we should get final on new house this week and moving all house stuff out of shop into house :-D

         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 19, 2014, 02:35:12 AM
  l learned a bit about mounting out [ WIDE] 10 '' tires today. The 1st guy mounting the tires got called away for an errand and a more experienced man took over. as one tire was mounted, he was checking how far from the rim the id numbers were he, says they don't look far enough away from the rim. He only put 30 lbs in tire to seat as he was gun shy from a rim exploding on him a while back and cutting his face and a co-worker. I told him the minimum was 60lbs so he stood back blew it up to 60 lbs and I could hear the tire popping out, seating and bringing the numbers away from the rim.

  Took the other rim broke the bead lubed it and got it to seat right.

  Glad they let me oversee and check for rim run out,

  Had a lot of last minute trouble with other new 10'' tires in 2012 being out of round so bought different 10'' tires. but wondering if other company never seated tires right :roll:

  Any how balance was only 1/2 oz on one tire and 3/4 oz on other vs 21/2 on old tires.

  JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 27, 2014, 05:51:19 PM

  Larry's Speed & Marine from Tucson Az are shipping our heads today :cheers:

  Now waiting to get block bored.

  Picked up a 48 X 60 in. sheet of 3/16 aluminum for new spill plates and spoiler addition for $25 at local fabricator and foundry shop :-D Great deal and foreman showed me through foundry.

   working on spill plates and spoiler piece this weekend.

   New house has passed all final inspections except final outside fire which should be happening at 4:00 in about 1 hr.

  Everything happening at once :-P

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on June 27, 2014, 08:00:31 PM
That aluminum was a bargain!  :cheers:

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 01, 2014, 11:01:09 AM

 We never get as much done as expected [ putting patio furniture together didn't help] but we got new spill plates made and one drilled and mounted need to round off sharp edges.

  Tried to order head gaskets from regular supplier and found out they no longer make head gaskets :roll:

  Called Clark [ advertises in Bville program and recommended by Joe Boghosian ] really nice guy but used to making Hemi top fuel gaskets for solid blocks never for water blocks with holes in gaskets.

  Any how he's researching placement. Going to call Stage 5 and find out pattern.

  House passed Fire Marshall inside inspection, Out side Cal Fire inspection, final house inspection, BUT wait there's more, a final certified as built grading inspection.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jdincau on July 01, 2014, 12:19:34 PM
If that dosn't work out give these people a call. They copied one of our old  Hemi-Chevy solid copper gaskets that Arias no longer stocked (special small dia. bore size).

http://scegaskets.com/
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 05, 2014, 12:21:26 PM
If that dosn't work out give these people a call. They copied one of our old  Hemi-Chevy solid copper gaskets that Arias no longer stocked (special small dia. bore size).

http://scegaskets.com/

  Thanks for reference, but Clark sent me a Fax showing different water hole designs and was able to pick the right one, making gaskets next week.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 05, 2014, 12:35:31 PM
  Heads arrived, look good, intake ports raised to correct position, no more step in way of flow :cheers:
 
  Will assemble heads next week. Concentrating on spill plates, Gurney flap,and some fiberglass reinforcing this weekend. Cooling down to 105 today :roll:

   After putting our Contractor thru Hell, Fresno County finally approved a certified as built grading permit late Wednesday. Now building inspector has to sign off on that :-)

    Adding and modifying ..nothing was changed on the grading, the hell was contractor driving back and forth to grading planers and out 30 miles from plan check to here.

   As fairly new fridge is going to new house, we bought a smaller but a pretty cool fridge for shop. Hey gotta have a freezer to shrink sleeves and a cooler for a few beers :-D

   30 Keystones $ 13.97 at Walmart 8-)

                              JL222

                  

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2014, 11:25:17 AM
  
  House passed Final, slowly moving in :cheers:

  Side plates mounted and done except for small angles on ends and sanding and slight rounding.

  Rear angle on spoiler cut to length and being fit to deck lid which is rounded with body and raises in middle not easy for a good fit.

  Fiberglass needs one more coat of resin.

   Block being bored tomorrow, maybe.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 19, 2014, 02:17:43 PM
Parts hunting.  Coming together soon!  That is all for now. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 20, 2014, 01:01:20 AM
 
   Picked up block after bore and hone and got $500 sticker shock as before it was $20 per cyl +hone less than 200 bucks. HE did have to bore more and fit rings but still :-o
 Says sleeves are harder than hell and has to finish bottom by hand because of main supports :roll:
 
 Copper head gaskets arrived from CLARK Head gaskets ( add in SpeedWeek program great service and new part for them)

 Today Troy finished painting side plates and add on to spoiler, did some inside front end fiberglass work and I cleaned the excess silicone of bottom of sleeves, washed the block and oiled the cylinders.

  Ready to install crank and pistons tomorrow, mount sideplates and hopefully get the cam indexed in.

  Also did some refinishing on master bedroom bed and bolted it together.

                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on July 20, 2014, 01:46:49 AM
You guys will go better this time. I'm sure of that!.
Have a safe trip and a great time at SW.
You have lots of guys pulling for you. :cheers:

Mike.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on July 20, 2014, 02:31:28 PM

   Picked up block after bore and hone and got $500 sticker shock as before it was $20 per cyl +hone less than 200 bucks. HE did have to bore more and fit rings but still :-o
 Says sleeves are harder than hell and has to finish bottom by hand because of main supports :roll:
 
 
                     JL222


John,

I understand your pain. Everything is going up in price. Yet the TV News says we are not having any inflation. I guess they go to different stores than I do.  :roll:

Good luck at Bonneville,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 27, 2014, 01:50:50 AM

  As usual not as far along as hoped but short block is together, cam degreed in and pan on. Heads are assembled with spring height set ready to go on block tomorrow. side plates and angle plate all painted and mounted. Driver side cleaned up and painted ready for new seat belts and seat to go back in. Passenger side ready for paint and intercooler to be installed. Recertified fire bottles installed and lines blown out.

  Hope to have heads, manifold, clutch, clutch can and starter on tomorrow.

  Engine installed? Maybe  :-D

        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 28, 2014, 12:31:55 PM

  As usual not as far along as hoped but short block is together, cam degreed in and pan on. Heads are assembled with spring height set ready to go on block tomorrow. side plates and angle plate all painted and mounted. Driver side cleaned up and painted ready for new seat belts and seat to go back in. Passenger side ready for paint and intercooler to be installed. Recertified fire bottles installed and lines blown out.

  Hope to have heads, manifold, clutch, clutch can and starter on tomorrow.

  Engine installed? Maybe  :-D

        JL222

 We did it :-o and even got the transmissions installed :-D

 Installing plate blower is mounted on, which requires shimming to get Greek coupler to slide just right, bleeding clutch and installing blower tubes , fuel lines and dry sump tank and oil lines.

              JL222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 28, 2014, 01:50:41 PM
John,
Any thoughts of going to the dyno before you go to the salt? (As if you don't have enough to do!)

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 29, 2014, 02:22:32 AM
John,
Any thoughts of going to the dyno before you go to the salt? (As if you don't have enough to do!)

Rex

  We feel we have a good tune, so no need for dyno. Also the Fast EFI does a good job recording air fuel ratio, timing, blower air temp, ECT. Would like to be able to make a short run for a few seconds at full throttle to check tune. Depends on course conditions but hoping added angled 2 in. aluminum plate at rear of spoiler will help traction.

  Blower mounted and plate shimmed for easy slide for Greek coupler blower drive, fuel, oil lines, gas lines blower tubes and throttle body all hooked up.

 Went to charge batteries and they were gone :-o Oh yeah put them in the truck :roll:

 Batteries, gas, oil, distributor and a check list of stuff and we should fire up tomorrow.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on July 29, 2014, 06:52:00 AM
Have faith, you'll do great.

Have batteries will travel. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2014, 11:51:58 AM
My photobucket was down for a while, got it running again.

Here's a few photos of our progress.

Short block completed.

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We broke two rocker stands the last time we blew!  Time to replace them.

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Ofcourse when you order head gaskets they are never just perfect.  We had to resize for our head studs.

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Heads installed.

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Motor complete.

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We had to get the bolt pattern correct for the header studs so we put the zombies on to make sure where they all go.  Looks like a alien drone.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2014, 12:28:45 PM
My youngest daughter was recruited to help us with the car. :-D

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Like always we find something that needs fixing.  A few bolts were loose and one stripped on our bottom crank pulley. 

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Engine installed with JC (Boost) looking on.

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Tranny is complete minus the ballistic blankets on two.

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Blower plate, pipes, oil and fuel lines all installed.  Today we put the distributor and all necessary accessories to start the motor together.  She will fire today! :-D

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

 Fired right up, timing was right on, BUT gas line leak, fixed it, Then water leaking out of head :roll: SO heads have to come off, got intake off and will take off heads later today.

 blower crank pulley bent and belt dust on ground after firing. Knew it was a problem and is a special built 88 tooth pulley, RCD made it and is checking on how long to make but bumping us up on production
line. Calling them next.

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 31, 2014, 01:55:43 AM
 
  Heads are off, cleaned up and ready to go back on tomorrow. Found out silicon from gasket company may have been one of the problems. Not talking about other :roll:

  RCD putting us ahead on production line for pulley and hope to have it by next Tuesday as were leaving for Bville Wed, If not will ship to Wendover.

  Had new seat belts but checking them out yesterday the mounting hardware was only 2 in. wide for 3 in. belt, called summit in Reno Nevada late yesterday afternoon for different belts and they came today
here in Clovis :-o

          JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on July 31, 2014, 08:29:27 PM
JL22;

Did you put silicone rubber RTV on your head gasket? The instructions for the ones that I've used in the past said not to use any sealant on the head gasket.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 01, 2014, 11:17:15 AM
JL22;

Did you put silicone rubber RTV on your head gasket? The instructions for the ones that I've used in the past said not to use any sealant on the head gasket.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

  Yeah Neil, we silicone around all water holes and small oil supply hole on block then on top of gasket, always have. Water leak was where we didn't silicone. there is a water hole in the head for water supply from stock style water pump but no hole in KB block as we run water return through front of heads. Haven't sealed that area for years and it must seal with no silicone. But not this time :roll:
 Clark sent silicone with gaskets, but we like the Hi Temp RTV we have been using. Anyhow we siliconed that area. Fired it up last night and no water leaks :cheers:

     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on August 01, 2014, 01:05:49 PM
JL222;

I've only used Fel-Pro so my experience must not be applicable to other types of head gaskets.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2014, 06:30:54 PM
A few updates on what's going on.  Two Owens transmissions are not shifting, they will come out tomorrow and will be taken to Owens on Sunday for a refresher.  We have some minor tasks to do still but we should be all loaded up to go Monday or Tuesday and leave early Wednesday.  Wow, speed week is comming quick!   :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 01, 2014, 06:34:18 PM
Troy, if you need anyone to stand around making smart ass comments on the salt I am going to be busy but I should be able to fit you in. Looking forward to seeing you guys. :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2014, 12:58:19 PM
Goggles, we will be looking forward to seeing you. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2014, 07:40:59 PM
Installing transmissions now. :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on August 03, 2014, 07:57:46 PM
Not talking about other :roll:???? :-D

Don't be shy now. :evil:

You're not the first or last. :-D :-D :-D

Go well, when you leave. Mike.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 04, 2014, 03:39:56 AM
Not talking about other :roll:???? :-D

Don't be shy now. :evil:

You're not the first or last. :-D :-D :-D

Go well, when you leave. Mike.

OK, OK, getting in a hurry catches us, I mean when you forget to torque the head Subaru leaks :roll:

  BIG apology from head torquer , but a lot of respect from me for no excuses.

 Trans repaired and faulty regulator may be to blame for problem, 110 miles to Owens but great to go there on a Sunday and Scotty fixes every thing.

  Fuel pump is leaking from cam drive shaft so calling Waterman Pumps in morning,

 Checking with RCD on blower pulley also. Will have all parts shipped to Wendover now.

  Never had so many THINGS GO WRONG  when just fine last run.

  AND this is weird, get home from Scotty's. park in new house's garage, get about 20 min sleep before Troy comes to install trans. Troy arrives, I get in SUV back out of Garage and forget to turn and back into
Oak tree :-D Screw up bumper :roll: Linda comes down to shop, gives me grieve about not turning, does some cleanup in shop, I say instead of walking back to house [about 300 ft] in dark, take the SUV. Linda jumps in and BACKS into my tractor [it's dark and tractor not usually parked there] man was I laughing  :-D Just a scratch on her side but major dent on mine. Weird though.

                  JL222

              

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wheelrdealer on August 04, 2014, 09:39:39 AM

Hurry is a state of mind and that is where Mr. Murphy and his law dwell. I find if I slow down things actually go faster and better. I live in the Sub's so I have not hit my tractor but I have squashed a few bikes and skateboards that were left in the driveway behind my truck. Luckly the kids that left them there we not present.

Good racing and hope you put up the speed you are looking for.

BR
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 05, 2014, 09:13:46 AM

  Truck loaded Monday, car into trailer today, heading to Bville Wed morning.

  RCD was machining blower pulley yesterday, and shipping to Wendover.

  Seal for fuel pump should be here today.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 05, 2014, 10:04:16 AM
Good luck out there!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on August 05, 2014, 06:28:41 PM
I'll second that. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 05, 2014, 07:17:09 PM
The most luck you need, forget the tree and the tractor.....is SHIPPING TO WENDOVER.

That is the biggest gamble in the entire car project.

Red Lable is at least 3 days to Wendover. By then the salt should be dry.

The neatest thing about Wendover is if you get a STD it doesn't show up until at

least twice the usual incubation period.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 05, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
Come on doc -- we're talking Wendover, not Wells.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 05, 2014, 08:02:58 PM
STAN.....it is alway possible to get your package Drop Shipped in WELLS.

Just remember, there is an added fee for after hour deliveries.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 05, 2014, 08:05:26 PM
When did they get hours?  Musta unionized.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 06, 2014, 01:30:11 AM
The most luck you need, forget the tree and the tractor.....is SHIPPING TO WENDOVER.

That is the biggest gamble in the entire car project.

Red Lable is at least 3 days to Wendover. By then the salt should be dry.

The neatest thing about Wendover is if you get a STD it doesn't show up until at

least twice the usual incubation period.

FREUD

 They said they shipped it Red Label so it should be there when we get there. Waterman shipped next day yesterday from north of Frisco and was here today 15 miles out of Clovis, at 9 am :-D

 Stop by, have a beer, Margaritas at end of day or rainy. :cheers:

  Loaded and ready to roll at 6 am.

     JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 07, 2014, 12:48:59 PM
JL222, I'm not talking about Clovis.

I'm talking about WENDOVER.

We have had serious delivery problems in Wendover.

Maybe it's better now, but I still have doubts.

Of course with racing delays it's a moot point.

Lets not talk about items that were not torqued.

Target550 can relate to that.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wheelrdealer on August 07, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
That's because they don't actually land in Wendover, the UPS plane flys over low and they kick your package out the back door. Saves on runway fees. :)

Actually I got two FedEx boxes right on time in 2011. But I did learn, when I sent them to the hotel Montego Bay that the hotel has a central receiving dock down by the theater. I was told to wait  there to cut a few hours out of the process. It takes them a while to sort and deliver to the individual hotels. So keep that in mind if you ship to any of the big three casinos.

BR

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2014, 12:28:36 PM
We received our blower pulley and belt as we checked in, no problems at all.  Now we will move our trailer to the back corner of the Red Garter parking lot next to the Valley Fever streamliner and take the car out and work on it.  Maybe even start it? :-D. Time to eat breakfast now, late night parting with the Valley Fever crew. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 14, 2014, 01:36:53 PM
We received our blower pulley and belt as we checked in, no problems at all.  Now we will move our trailer to the back corner of the Red Garter parking lot next to the Valley Fever streamliner and take the car out and work on it.  Maybe even start it? :-D. Time to eat breakfast now, late night parting with the Valley Fever crew. :cheers:

  Yeah, late night partying, next time I'm bringing a jigger instead of guessing on the tokillya :-D Finding out our intercooler was leaking water into the intake system didn't help, even though we got it down to a slow leak after a case of Alumaseal and a bottle of head gasket sealant.

 We weren't as bad as the next night when they had to duct tape a crew member from the Carbonite crew to a chair to get him to shut up and sit down :-o :-D
 
  Don't think intercooler can be fixed as its seems to be leaking from core and not a bad weld on sides. We would have ran with slow leak by making sure no water was in intercooler tank and turning on pump just after getting OK to run. Hoping air pressure would hold back water and not using our water injection.


                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: joea on August 14, 2014, 03:22:21 PM
ive heard others claim to have new found intercooler leaks after using water
sourced from the spigot at truckstop at access road.....

at any rate, a few years ago we had the engine cutting out at around 5500 to 6000 rpm
on a 10.000 rpm engine, consistently, thought msd problem, thought other ignition problem, thought
fuel delivery quirk....no evident on salt, but at home found internal intercooler leak , task to have intercooler cut apart and core change etc, walla engine running problem fixed

I thought as well that the boost pressure inside intercooler would surely have been enough to overcome the low water pressure and keep water from becoming problem with intake mixture, but was wrong
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on August 18, 2014, 10:08:15 PM
Maybe the boost air at hi speed going past the cracked area of the cooler, acts like a siphon and pulls the water out and into the intake manifold?

G Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 07, 2014, 02:19:24 AM

 Not much going on for 222 Camaro, we were ready to go for speedweek, then rain and intercooler leak. its not leaking from the sides which could be a bad weld but inside. It probably could be fixed like radiators but I'm worried about corrosion in other cores [just as we get to Bville next year] so new intercooler coming up.
 Also, after watching video of SpeedDemon crash. adding extra and beefed up mounts for intercooler, fire bottles, and water tank.
  Been busy getting settled in new house and landscaping smaller parts of yard.
  Going to Fresno fair and talking to Landscapers that advertise there for the big stuff.


   JL222 :cheers: 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 07, 2014, 01:11:20 PM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222

  Rob...here's the videos. The 1st one is El Mirage, car hooks up and goes 152 mph in 10.2 sec. Then track turns bad which you can see from other video.

  Another year already :-o


  The second video shows the in car view of the 1st video, you can see the throttle on left of hood and how busy Troy's
hands are steering back and forth, saving a spin.
  Makes me think that faster steering would help.
 
  Hurry up EL NINO and flood the lakebed, so the 222 Camaro could make a full pass 8-)

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 22, 2014, 03:43:18 PM
I have been slacking on posting any picture lately.  So here are some from rebuilding our side plates and wicker plate. 

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Some bracket that we made, and now primed

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(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/30EDEA63-FAD7-4A44-83DF-3F500C8EAF79.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/30EDEA63-FAD7-4A44-83DF-3F500C8EAF79.jpg.html)

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Slap some paint on them too.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/F289F9EA-D246-4089-95AC-9F923B39E0E6.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/F289F9EA-D246-4089-95AC-9F923B39E0E6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 22, 2014, 03:54:31 PM
Installed view.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6FF2BBB5-9C2F-4CF8-B4E7-FA9559A36980.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/6FF2BBB5-9C2F-4CF8-B4E7-FA9559A36980.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/61B0CCBE-24B6-4E87-8B2C-AF2801D45E6B.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/61B0CCBE-24B6-4E87-8B2C-AF2801D45E6B.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/DD43291D-7187-4032-89BF-3B737BF685BA.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/DD43291D-7187-4032-89BF-3B737BF685BA.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 22, 2014, 04:12:31 PM

  I was wondering where that black paint on my new concrete apron came from  :x

   Upping the spoiler angle plus the new wicker bill  should allow more petal to the metal :-D


                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on November 22, 2014, 06:40:38 PM
No need to get in a hurry now, you should be ready for Elmo in May. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 28, 2014, 09:54:48 PM
Working on the new rule change.  Adding some stabilizers :-D

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/0BA15A55-6BE4-4C89-ADD1-E942DB66C4AF_1.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/0BA15A55-6BE4-4C89-ADD1-E942DB66C4AF_1.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 19, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

  In this video Troy gets to 6450 rpm, 165+mph in 13.25 sec in 2nd gear then .05 sec later at 13.3 sec rpm is 6600
tires break loose and car gets sideways.
 You can hear the revs go up just before Troy backs off throttle.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 19, 2014, 07:30:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

 Hi hp cars get blamed for tearing up the track from spinning tires but the 222 Camaro is hooked  up on a good run until it hits the loose track. Track is good at start then bad after 3rd gear,

  What I think happens is after reaching a certain speed the low pressure under and behind cars suck up the loose dirt
from the cracks and chunks that are not stuck together well.

  Years ago, I was on patrol duty when the 280 mph Swain Bros-Helash-Hoover AA/BFMR hit some cones, on a good run
until then.  Out on track were two tire tracks, visable for many ft, about the width of palm of hand, didn't look like tires were spinning, between tracks and to the sides, were pea sized dirt cast in a perfect pattern as if one were sowing seeds.
 
         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 22, 2014, 02:25:48 PM

  Racing funds from mandatory withdrawal from IRA and union have arrived 8-)

  New intercooler, front tires , and Miller 180 tig welder :-D

     Merry Christmas Everyone  JL222  :cheers:
 
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Buickguy3 on December 22, 2014, 02:38:24 PM
   Welcome to the club , and Merry Christmas.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on December 22, 2014, 10:29:50 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Merry Christmas
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 18, 2015, 02:58:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

  In this video Troy gets to 6450 rpm, 165+mph in 13.25 sec in 2nd gear then .05 sec later at 13.3 sec rpm is 6600
tires break loose and car gets sideways.
 You can hear the revs go up just before Troy backs off throttle.

               JL222

  On our Bville 280 mph at the 21/4 and 294 1st mile time it took 29.4 sec or 16.35 sec longer in 2nd gear to reach 6450 rpm than the above run at El Mirage. 16.35 sec in third gear shows an increase of 55 mph in speed during the 294
run.

 Our spoiler mods and a good course should help us get some of this potential speed before the 1st clocks

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 24, 2015, 01:39:14 PM

  Clarifying why the longer time to speed at Bville. Its throttle position and better traction at El Mirage and less traction
  and gun shy about TPS and spinning out at Bville :-P

  Throttle position on the above runs. El Mirage 1st gear 44-67% 2nd 45-47%
                                                      Bville      1st gear 15-30% 2nd 30-36%

   Just a little more traction should allow more TPS and faster time at the 21/4

                JL222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on February 24, 2015, 02:59:05 PM
Tried spinning at both -- sure prefer Bonneville.  Clean and silent.  Won't run a posi again, tho.  Once was enuf.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 26, 2015, 08:06:18 PM

 2283 Goodyear front tires bought today in Vegas and should be delivered tomorrow.

  ProCharger Intercooler should be here next week. Hope its exactly the same so all the pipes fit.

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 27, 2015, 02:06:52 PM

 2283 Goodyear front tires bought today in Vegas and should be delivered tomorrow.

  ProCharger Intercooler should be here next week. Hope its exactly the same so all the pipes fit.

                 JL222

  Tires delivered today at 9:20 this morning :-D Opened gate early but not expecting UPS until after 5pm.
  Heard a horn honk and an unmarked white mini van outside, driver says company was OnTrack?

  Going to put Tires in garbage bag [ contain smell ] then in bottom of linen closet, mount just before Bville

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 03, 2015, 05:07:41 PM
 
  Intercooler arrived by FedX. All plumbing will hook right up :cheers:

  They made the top and bottom angle steeper but everything else the same.

  Feeling stupid and panicked for a while though. Took it out of box, measuring every thing Then noticed no outlet for water, damn they put them on the bottom, crap I don't like that the water will never get to top of intercooler and a bitch to plumb :x
 
  Then I turned it over. I had it upside down :roll:  :-D

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on March 03, 2015, 10:05:14 PM
Some times things get clearer outside the box.... :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 06, 2015, 05:26:19 PM
I haven't been on here in a while, glad I stopped buy.  I hadn't heard that the inter cooler came in. :-P. lol
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 05, 2015, 10:34:47 PM
Drill and taping the inter cooler for bracing and sensors.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on May 21, 2015, 09:21:35 AM
Egads that looks like the furnace in my house.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 21, 2015, 01:05:39 PM
Egads that looks like the furnace in my house.

  Just Home Depot assemble yourself cabinets and Formica plastic laminate counter tops [ about $80 per 8' section and around $100 per cabinet]

         JL222  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 09, 2015, 02:33:16 PM
Drill and taping the inter cooler for bracing and sensors.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/3B2671CD-25DA-4B71-91CF-590E7C462C30.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3B2671CD-25DA-4B71-91CF-590E7C462C30.jpg.html)

 We need to cut a hole on top and weld temp sensor plate from old intercooler and weld tabs on that connect bar
that insures that blower tubes stay connected.
 New Miller 200 muti welder being shipped will post pics.
 
  Installed new blower pulleys and belt, gas tank and fuel lines and fabricated new inner spill plates and most of the angle brackets Sunday and Monday. Troy took pics, should post.

         JL222



     
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 22, 2015, 10:55:39 PM

  Finished mounting new plates today just need to uninstall, sand sharp edges and paint.

 Ordered longer fire bottle cables Friday from www.controlcables.com [ rule book add ] should be here soon.

  Need to weld tabs on intercooler for blower tube restraints and plate with !/2'' pipe thread on top of cooler for temp sensor.
 
  Getting close to fireup :-D

  Got to pull right rear hub on trailer and try to figure out why we blew 3 tires there last last year.
 1 after Bville, trailer empty going about 50 mph hub never feels warmer than others?
  Think I'll go down to the 4 lane and have Troy look from another car and see if its a balance problem 1st.
  Anyhow we have 4 new tires and 4 spares now :-o

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on June 22, 2015, 11:42:24 PM
Way to go JL. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 23, 2015, 11:18:49 PM
Some long over due photos!!

Cutting the stabilizers

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Cut now a lot of fine shaping before mounting!

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Two views of both mounted.  Like JL said above time to take them off and sand the sharp edges down and paint.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on June 24, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
Looks great Gentlemen!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 24, 2015, 11:29:05 AM
We are making a new push button fire bottle deployment system, here is what the old one looks like.

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The new one will extend out further making it easier to deploy.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/284ECD84-A4C2-485C-ADD3-9BF6772DA811.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/284ECD84-A4C2-485C-ADD3-9BF6772DA811.jpg.html)

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(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/923BD738-06AB-4F77-B321-0A6A8C83ED21.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/923BD738-06AB-4F77-B321-0A6A8C83ED21.jpg.html)

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(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/AEA77A81-1E50-4D4D-917D-29F0EE0146A1.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/AEA77A81-1E50-4D4D-917D-29F0EE0146A1.jpg.html)

We are still waiting for the new lines and will get rid of all the sharp edges once we get the lines fitted.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 24, 2015, 01:31:58 PM
We are making a new push button fire bottle deployment system, here is what the old one looks like.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/B736B319-0F05-4B63-AA1D-1CAB1246A4A7.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/B736B319-0F05-4B63-AA1D-1CAB1246A4A7.jpg.html)

The new one will extend out further making it easier to deploy.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/284ECD84-A4C2-485C-ADD3-9BF6772DA811.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/284ECD84-A4C2-485C-ADD3-9BF6772DA811.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/405A7D9F-4705-487E-B042-08449AD05269.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/405A7D9F-4705-487E-B042-08449AD05269.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/923BD738-06AB-4F77-B321-0A6A8C83ED21.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/923BD738-06AB-4F77-B321-0A6A8C83ED21.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/33C7A19F-8475-4AC2-B825-1B90E153D80B.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/33C7A19F-8475-4AC2-B825-1B90E153D80B.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/AEA77A81-1E50-4D4D-917D-29F0EE0146A1.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/AEA77A81-1E50-4D4D-917D-29F0EE0146A1.jpg.html)

We are still waiting for the new lines and will get rid of all the sharp edges once we get the lines fitted.

  Well, same push nob as before :-)

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 24, 2015, 01:53:29 PM
We are using the old knobs on the new system?  Lol
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 25, 2015, 05:23:08 PM
We are using the old knobs on the new system?  Lol
 
  Cables came this morning, look great, has fire written on knobs and pins through body. Push wire is extra long for us to cut to exact length.

  We weren't sure if new knobs would have fire on them or pins because I forgot to ask :roll:

               JL222

   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 30, 2015, 08:39:12 PM

 New cables and bracket is finished. Hole sawed top of intercooler and welded small plate with 1/2in pipe thread
for temp sensor to F.A.S.T. unit. Inner spill plates are finished and painted and ready to be remounted. We painted
the brackets on car as it is a chore to remove and reinstall.

 Just need to fabricate and weld 2 small brackets for tube restraints on intercooler and install it.

  Then fire up time :-D

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 01, 2015, 01:08:42 PM
New cables are in and installed.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8DC46F48-ACAA-4B4A-8B38-A7868EA9EF67.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/8DC46F48-ACAA-4B4A-8B38-A7868EA9EF67.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/E19A4E4C-ECA3-44C4-BCDC-A1892EFDD68B.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/E19A4E4C-ECA3-44C4-BCDC-A1892EFDD68B.jpg.html)

Welding the plate on too of the inter cooler for our FAST sensor.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/148F30B8-900D-4AEC-B194-31B2762243F1.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/148F30B8-900D-4AEC-B194-31B2762243F1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 04, 2015, 10:28:10 PM

   Inner spill plates are painted and reinstalled. Intercooler done and installed with air supply tubes and restraints.

  Water supply hose connectors installed and ready to connect hoses. One water hose was a couple inches short?

  New intercooler measures the same as old one. Easy fix, just connect 1 inch pvc pipe to extend. Had everything
except my glue had dried up.

  Put in 5 gal 92 octane and 5 more tomorrow with new warm up plugs, fill intercooler tank and engine water tank
and FIRE UP :-D 

   jl222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 05, 2015, 11:04:28 PM
  A great day :-D engine fired right up no leaks, trans shifts, computer read out looks good.

   Justin said it sounds different after a quick throttle blip. fired it back up and did a slower throttle blip and if video can be posted you can see the shade cover supports lifting off the ground. good thing we had it tied down.
  It was awesome :-D
 
 If somebody says something into my right ear I'm not ignoring you, the beast did it.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on July 06, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
 :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Kiwi Paul on July 06, 2015, 07:01:25 PM
Hmmm....I will remember to yell my Margarita order even louder than last year..... :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 06, 2015, 10:56:02 PM
Our first start up video is kinda dull as start up videos go, but it fired right up.  This video I posted it starts up on the slow side because our tuner Justin flooded the fuel system before this start up :-D

Anyway this video sounds the best.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/th_8F00BF20-5A5B-416C-953A-875F34EE2BFD.jpg) (http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8F00BF20-5A5B-416C-953A-875F34EE2BFD.mp4)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on July 06, 2015, 11:13:17 PM
Now I get why you say you're not ignoring people!!!!.

That motor sounds strong. Awesome is all I can say. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 07, 2015, 01:15:33 PM
John and Troy,
It really sounds ready!!! Can't wait to see you both, I'll bring some tequila!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wheelrdealer on July 07, 2015, 10:02:30 PM
Nice, like a baby crying for the first time.

Sounds ready to me.

Bill
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 08, 2015, 03:21:12 PM
Our first start up video is kinda dull as start up videos go, but it fired right up.  This video I posted it starts up on the slow side because our tuner Justin flooded the fuel system before this start up :-D

Anyway this video sounds the best.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/th_8F00BF20-5A5B-416C-953A-875F34EE2BFD.jpg) (http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8F00BF20-5A5B-416C-953A-875F34EE2BFD.mp4)

  Phone video doesn't do it justice.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on July 09, 2015, 07:56:58 PM
That engine sounds POTENT! :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 16, 2015, 02:28:29 PM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222

  Rob...here's the videos. The 1st one is El Mirage, car hooks up and goes 152 mph in 10.2 sec. Then track turns bad which you can see from other video.

  Another year already :-o

  Been a while since I posted these, but these videos keep us coming back and hoping to do better
 Anyhow this sounds better than cell phone video.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2015, 01:53:31 PM
 
  With the flooding of El Mirage ( I think it got flooded after .86in of rain) were thinking of running there in Sept.,but only if were allowed to run out of the 200 mph lane ( which by the way, I made the nomination to get reinstated when I was a club rep).
  Also the Mojave mile. Bville Pro shows we could run a good mph on 1 mile asphalt.
 
 Problem is there not having the meet until spring of 2016.

                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on July 22, 2015, 02:02:56 PM

  With the flooding of El Mirage ( I think it got flooded after .86in of rain) were thinking of running there in Sept.,but only if were allowed to run out of the 200 mph lane ( which by the way, I made the nomination to get reinstated when I was a club rep).
  Also the Mojave mile. Bville Pro shows we could run a good mph on 1 mile asphalt.
 
 Problem is there not having the meet until spring of 2016.

                   JL222

To run the long course at Bonneville you must make a pass and exceed 175 MPH at the 2.25. Never had a 200 mph lane, since 1973, that I know of.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on July 22, 2015, 02:20:28 PM

  With the flooding of El Mirage ( I think it got flooded after .86in of rain) were thinking of running there in Sept.,but only if were allowed to run out of the 200 mph lane ( which by the way, I made the nomination to get reinstated when I was a club rep).
  Also the Mojave mile. Bville Pro shows we could run a good mph on 1 mile asphalt.
 
 Problem is there not having the meet until spring of 2016.

                   JL222

To run the long course at Bonneville you must make a pass and exceed 175 MPH at the 2.25. Never had a 200 mph lane, since 1973, that I know of.

I believe JL222 is referring to the 200 mph lane at El Mirage.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2015, 06:14:40 PM

  With the flooding of El Mirage ( I think it got flooded after .86in of rain) were thinking of running there in Sept.,but only if were allowed to run out of the 200 mph lane ( which by the way, I made the nomination to get reinstated when I was a club rep).
  Also the Mojave mile. Bville Pro shows we could run a good mph on 1 mile asphalt.
 
 Problem is there not having the meet until spring of 2016.

                   JL222

To run the long course at Bonneville you must make a pass and exceed 175 MPH at the 2.25. Never had a 200 mph lane, since 1973, that I know of.

  Yeah, El Mirage 200 mph lane and hopefully someday the 300 mph lane at Bville. If they still have it :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on July 22, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 27, 2015, 11:52:29 PM
  We have new Torkflex axles, brakes and hubs ordered, and their supposed to be shipped 3 days from Indian on the 29th. Sat is 3 days so Monday Aug 3rd is about the best time we can hope for. IF IF IF. AND if they fit the existing brackets.

  Only gives us 3 days before Mojave so we might have to borrow an open wheel trailer, another if, to make the Mojave Mile if they have it, A lot of IFS.

  Anyhow we took out the old axles today, just 4 bolts per axle and wire disconnect. They weigh a bunch though.
 Had to slide them out on carpet pads to keep from scratching the hell out of my epoxy floor.
  
 Troy might post pics.
 
                      JL222
.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 29, 2015, 08:02:48 PM
 Axels arrive at Fresno terminal Friday the 31st :-D
 Delivered to shop, don't know yet, probably Monday. If they fit, no problem.

  Bville Pro computer says 270mph on 1 mile asphalt track :-o Hope to find out.

             JL222

     
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2015, 01:10:22 PM
Axels arrive at Fresno terminal Friday the 31st :-D
 Delivered to shop, don't know yet, probably Monday. If they fit, no problem.

  Bville Pro computer says 270mph on 1 mile asphalt track :-o Hope to find out.

             JL222

     
On track to be delivered to our address between 1pm and 4. If axles fit mounting brackets we'll have no problems

 making it to Mojave, about 31/2 hr drive.

 Picking up a 2 speed 18 volt misting fan that sits on a 5 gal bucket today.

  All Englishmen welcome to stop by and cool off :-) Had an English friend trail riding in the Mojave dessert and he was not used
to the heat.

                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 31, 2015, 12:05:25 PM
 
  Axles not coming to Monday :-(

  The Artic Cove 18 volt misting bucket fan works pretty good, wished it oscillated but can't have every thing for $79.97 at
Home Depot. Not sure of battery life yet but will test with charged battery today.
  I just remember going to the Taft Drags years ago with no shade and one of the most miserable days ever.
  Unit has 2 speeds for fan and mister and does cool you off. Just hope we can find water for race car intercooler tank and mister in Mojave and better at airport.

  HEY TAFT airport, been a long time, but I think it was a not used military base.

          JL222
  Just googled, its still there but only 3550 ft long.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 31, 2015, 06:35:22 PM
 
 Axels supposed to be delivered today but tracking says still in route to Sacramento? Still 150 miles to Fresno for delivery Monday. Trucks must run on weekends but no delivery except to terminals.

 Tested misting fan... 2hrs for battery 4hrs for 5 gal water. Unit takes Ryobi 18 volt batteries luckily I have 3 more batts
and 2 chargers from other tools.

  Good day for testing 100 degrees out, got hot stood in front of cooler for short time, mister gets you wet and cool :lol:

  Shouldn't have to run all day or constantly. Finding water is the un-known.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 01, 2015, 12:16:28 PM
 
  Axles finely made it to Sacramento  :roll: And on track for delivery Monday.

  Loading truck Sunday. Axles better fit with no problem.

  Post the pics Troy.

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
Ofcourse there is always something that puts us in a rush.  So now the axles will be here on Monday so the rush will start then. :-D. Just a photo of our old axles.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-07/664A4554-7D92-4117-B085-F5F30D52150A.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-07/664A4554-7D92-4117-B085-F5F30D52150A.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 02, 2015, 11:46:49 AM
Ofcourse there is always something that puts us in a rush.  So now the axles will be here on Monday so the rush will start then. :-D. Just a photo of our old axles.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-07/664A4554-7D92-4117-B085-F5F30D52150A.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-07/664A4554-7D92-4117-B085-F5F30D52150A.jpg.html)

  Looks like axles really will be hear Monday as they have finally arrived in Fresno  :cheers:

  Its not just axles also brakes and hubs.

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 02, 2015, 06:41:50 PM
 
  Truck is 99% loaded, generator and battery charger loaded and strapped down in trailer.

  Axle install tomorrow  :-)

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1leg on August 03, 2015, 09:56:05 PM
Hoping those axel got installed.... You have a PM in your inbox!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 04, 2015, 12:02:27 AM

  Axels finely got hear at 5 pm all installed except for wiring by 6:45. Really worried about fit to existing brackets but no problem :-P Waxed car while waiting.
 
 Tomorrow finish wiring and take to alignment shop or Wednesday.

                           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on August 04, 2015, 10:28:27 AM
All right!! you guys go get em at Mojave. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 04, 2015, 07:18:49 PM
All right!! you guys go get em at Mojave. :cheers:

  OK , all loaded, brakes hooked up and working, alignment shop at 8 AM tomorrow.

    JL222 :cheers:
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 05, 2015, 05:47:33 PM
 
  Alignment done. Technician couldn't get over how close we got the thrust on the rear end, .09 of a decree :-)

  He wasn't going to check at 1st because he couldn't get his machine mounted because of the 60lbs of air so we dropped it to 30 psi.

  I thought I had 3/16 in. toe in but there was 3/32. We decided on 1/8 IN. Its just good to Know from a Pro job and machine
 that's it's set correctly and $89.95 :-D

                JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 05, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
John, that's just one less thing to worry about. Peace of mind is important while in the cockpit. Have fun and be safe..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 10, 2015, 08:39:50 PM

 For anyone interested in what happened in Mojave with the 222 car, go to SCTA Mojave Mile reply #130

     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 19, 2015, 04:03:13 PM

 We took off the manifold Sunday and sure enough gaskets were leaking, hurting boost. Throttle on data sensor on 227 indicated run was all over the place due to loose set screw. Also data showed ECU correcting with added fuel because of lean condition, plugs looked clean with soot on bottom and no heat, looked rich to me ECU showed it needed more fuel, so we richened it in favor of ECU. Sunday car would not take throttle in 3rd gear, so Troy coasted.

  Took off 02 sensor and it was covered in black soot along with sides of car. New 02 sensor on way, along with hydraulic lines
and steel coupler instead of aluminum.

 Data from run 2 limited to 175mph

 After a dead engine push start [Owens trans will not turn until engine starts] so while pushing troy has to fire engine.
 
 from  data log when Troy begins to apply throttle in 1st gear 117 in 4.2 sec, 168 in 11.4 sec staying at 5000 rpm and 170
for rest of run so as to not break out of 175 mph limit.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 29, 2015, 02:58:04 PM
 
 All new parts arrived by last sat installed new intake gaskets with regular gasket sealer. Not using anti-seize anymore to try and save gaskets on removal of intake, Their not easy to get, but we have a spare set.

  Scotty Owens was in the area and wanted to stop by and look at the overdrive trans he built.

  He found a wear washer at rear almost gone so he took trans with him to fix washer and fix problem from happening again.

  Troy is coming out tomorrow and we'll install first 2 trans, fix rear oil seal leak and be ready to go to chassis dyno when overdrive is done.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 29, 2015, 10:36:55 PM
John, I got some grey silicone from Ford, they use this stuff on the Power Stroke engines. It is great stuff.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Buickguy3 on August 29, 2015, 11:30:32 PM
   When we used to drag race we had a heavy paper type gasket material that would compress and sealed really well. It would tear when you removed the intake. We found that if we used 3M w/strip adhesive on the intake side and coated the other side with the old Parafin based waterpump grease that was used on the antique car waterpumps the intake would seal and the gaskets could be reused for years. I'm sure it's still available.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 29, 2015, 11:38:01 PM
   When we used to drag race we had a heavy paper type gasket material that would compress and sealed really well. It would tear when you removed the intake. We found that if we used 3M w/strip adhesive on the intake side and coated the other side with the old Parafin based waterpump grease that was used on the antique car waterpumps the intake would seal and the gaskets could be reused for years. I'm sure it's still available.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

 Hey the old elephant snot [ that yellow stuff?] we used to put it on are nuts ( motorcycle :-D) to keep them on during a desert race.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 30, 2015, 10:34:54 PM

  Forgot to mention that we looked at all the rod bearings [top and bottom)  and they were basically like new.
 No metal flakes or specks in oil or pan.

  Today we replaced the rear main seal as it was leaking. Relieved the outer flange on the Owens trans to give more clearance
for hydraulic throw out bearing lines ( so clutch arms don't nick them) installed new lines and 1st and 2nd trans. Waiting on
Owens for trans fix for last trans and overdrive unit, This overdrive does not shift so every gear starts out in over drive.
 Installed pan and hooked up all oil lines.

  Next week going back to our original Koni shocks and springs, installing the rest of transmissions and a 2 tooth smaller
blower pulley and we should be ready to go :-)

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 02, 2015, 01:19:30 PM

   Scot Owens has fixed the trans. The overdrive is always working so it stresses the planetary gear more than others so he put a new one in, he also fixed it so the washer problem won't happen again, This is the only overdrive trans he's built so
teething problems show up. But no failures so far.
  Scotty has another part to deliver nearby in a couple of days which will save a long trip to his shop.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 07, 2015, 07:17:04 PM

  Owens couldn't make it up hear until tomorrow so I had to make the 11/2 hr drive to Springville for trans Friday.

  installed trans and changed shocks back to originals. Rear shock change a major pain in the axs.
  Tried to install new pulley on blower and discovered bolt holes were bigger than old pulley. DANG!!
  We wanted to get on dyno before El Mirage next Sunday but some crew members are under the weather and we still need to
make a new dust shield under the bell housing and frame.
  So were going to wait on El Mirage and hope El Nino doesn't rain us out.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on September 07, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
John, if you haven't heard the Oct. El Mirage meet may become a two day event, along with the normal Nov. two day meet...   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 08, 2015, 12:49:08 PM
John, if you haven't heard the Oct. El Mirage meet may become a two day event, along with the normal Nov. two day meet...   :cheers:

  Yeah, hope so. I guess the biggest problem is getting enough workers from the clubs.

  It's a 500 mile round trip to El mirage not counting to Victorville, so a 2 day event gives a lot more bang for the buck.

                JL222 :cheers:

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 17, 2015, 07:36:19 PM

  Owens couldn't make it up hear until tomorrow so I had to make the 11/2 hr drive to Springville for trans Friday.

  installed trans and changed shocks back to originals. Rear shock change a major pain in the axs.
  Tried to install new pulley on blower and discovered bolt holes were bigger than old pulley. DANG!!
  We wanted to get on dyno before El Mirage next Sunday but some crew members are under the weather and we still need to
make a new dust shield under the bell housing and frame.
  So were going to wait on El Mirage and hope El Nino doesn't rain us out.

               JL222

  New blower hub with bigger bolt holes ordered as they no longer make the pulley with smaller holes.

  Sunday, we'll make the dust shield and install trans ballistic blankets and the cover.

  Heat up hub, to take it off to be ready for new one. Hey they said I didn't need a puller.

 Then Bar-b-q tri-tips for Troy's birthay :-D

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 25, 2015, 01:25:03 PM

  ProCharger hub arrived, along with bolts for pulley and hub, new keyways and hub washer. Wasn't sure about bolts Ect. :-D

  Finished up dust shield and buttoned up trans. Installing blower hub, new pulley and fire up Sunday.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
JL222 the fun never ends. BTW How is Arly's liner coming along?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 25, 2015, 04:03:13 PM
JL222 the fun never ends. BTW How is Arly's liner coming along?


  Arley's liner has been in the body shop for at least 2 yrs  :-o It always amazes me how these guys have no conscience about getting the job done,

 Mostly fuel lines Ect if he ever gets it back.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 04, 2015, 09:02:23 PM
Did some cosmetic repairs today and tomorrow we will warm it up adjust the valve and take it to the dyno for some El Mirage tuning :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-09/BCD36DAE-0054-4BC5-94CB-878C6524EFC2.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-09/BCD36DAE-0054-4BC5-94CB-878C6524EFC2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on October 05, 2015, 08:35:18 PM
Oh yeah :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 06, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Did some cosmetic repairs today and tomorrow we will warm it up adjust the valve and take it to the dyno for some El Mirage tuning :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-09/BCD36DAE-0054-4BC5-94CB-878C6524EFC2.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-09/BCD36DAE-0054-4BC5-94CB-878C6524EFC2.jpg.html)

  The world is getting more flakes in it every day. Stopped and got $38 of ice for the intercooler, towed 30 miles to dyno and nobody there. The guy knew we were coming at 3:00 and was there at 1:00. After waiting for a 1/2 hr we called his partner.
 Partner says he's helping grandparents move, dropping off last load and returning U-Haul. Be there in about an hr.
 After 31/2 hrs we called and said we had, had it.
 
 Contacting another dyno shop today.

                 JL222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on October 06, 2015, 07:21:56 PM
Must be nice for the dyno guy to make so much money to pass up a customer, SMH.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DND on October 07, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
Its a tough GIg anymore finding a decent shop for anything no matter what you need done , as the whole country has come down with ' Flake Fever '

Hope you find a good dyno shop
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 16, 2015, 03:19:56 PM
  WOW...400,000 hits!!  As usual if its one problem there's another to go with it. We did go to another dyno shop but engine was acting up [just not sounding right] so we went back to the shop. Two valve adjusters had come loose [ thought I had tighten them good but must not have] bent a pushrod and damaged an adjuster. Replaced them, started engine at night in shop, which was a first, roll up doors opened though, blue flames 3 ft long out of headers except for # 2 which was not firing. Problem traced
to short in wiring connection in EFI, no electric signal no fuel.
 The injector wire harness  from both sides of engine connect to main harness with a short Y harness. We tested for continuity on each wire and checked for shorting in all the other connections at same time. All tested good until connecting the Y. then shorts across connector plugs showed up.
 Will probably end up sending harnesses to F.A.S.T EFI.

              JL222

 

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 27, 2015, 02:49:52 PM
 
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222

  Rob...here's the videos. The 1st one is El Mirage, car hooks up and goes 152 mph in 10.2 sec. Then track turns bad which you can see from other video.

  Another year already :-o

 Another 2 years  :-P Happy New year every body :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 04, 2016, 04:29:53 PM
JL222 the fun never ends. BTW How is Arly's liner coming along?


  Arley's liner has been in the body shop for at least 2 yrs  :-o It always amazes me how these guys have no conscience about getting the job done,

 Mostly fuel lines Ect if he ever gets it back.

               JL222

  Arley showed me some pictures of his liner at a New Years Eve party in Santa Barbara. They have a new younger guy in the shop that's been working on it, and its almost done. It really looks nice. :cheers:
  Still a lot of fabrication left, but maybe done by Bville.

        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 05, 2016, 11:06:26 AM
What?  No photos?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Lowwlife on February 08, 2016, 07:47:36 PM
Few pics from Mojave.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on February 08, 2016, 10:07:49 PM
Cool pics. Thanks. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 09, 2016, 12:36:46 AM
Wow, very nice photos!  Thanks for sharing :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 15, 2016, 04:08:26 PM

 New EFI injector harness's have arrived [we decided to replace the y harness and both the other harness's even though one was alright, just to be sure] Just need to replace injector 0 rings and every thing else should be ready.

 A lot going on with new house. Trying to get a pool built and El Nino not helping.

  Should run El Mirage May meet [El Nino?] and spoiler mods should help traction.

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 11, 2016, 10:46:14 AM
It's that time of year to get things done, we will be working on the car this weekend and if all goes well we will fire her up😎
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on April 11, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
We'll be listening for the video!!!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on April 11, 2016, 05:53:41 PM
I swear I can hear it from here......
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 16, 2016, 10:44:04 PM
We installed our new injector wiring, the faulty "Y" was also replaced and we were having some o-rings that were leaking today so that took up most of our day.  I had forgotten how little room there is to install those wires under the plenum of the manifold!  Any way we are 90% ready to fire the car in which we will do tomorrow around 1.  Here's a shot of our injector wiring.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 18, 2016, 03:33:46 PM
 We got it fired up after some [a lot] of frustration. We tested the new harnesses to see if injectors were squirting fuel before install in manifold.Right side worked left didn't switched sides at why connection, same thing. plugged connectors in and out several times no difference.

Next step. main connection where y connector plugs in. Plugged in and out several times problem fixed all injectors squirtimg :cheers:

 Installed injectors in manifold, injector leaking gas when testing for leaks, new O-ring finally ready to fire after more leaks and loosening mounting of fuel rails.

 Fired her up, #1 not firing? Same problem as before, check spark, remove plug and gap is closed. Plug had come loose from wrench
when checking for fuel in cylinder and must have closed up when trying to get wrench back on :roll: Easy fix.

 Fired her back up, runs good then no firing on left side, unplugged main harness at y, sprayed with brake clean, blew it out. problem fixed.

  Fired up and runs good, blew cob webs loose from ceiling over 20 ft up, shifted trans through gears, every thing good. Ready for El Mirage :-D

 Troy has videos but had to leave for company meeting in Pittsburg and won't be back for a week. Maybe he can post from his phone?

  JL222 :cheers:  

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on April 18, 2016, 06:04:29 PM
rinse and repeat  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on April 19, 2016, 02:01:55 AM

 Troy has videos but had to leave for company meeting in Pittsburg and won't be back for a week. Maybe he can post from his phone?

  JL222 :cheers:   

Kansas?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 20, 2016, 11:05:59 PM
The home of the Steelers, I'll try to post videos tomorrow:)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on April 20, 2016, 11:50:18 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on April 21, 2016, 01:19:33 AM
The home of the Steelers, I'll try to post videos tomorrow:)

Pittsburgh. Go Steelers. Stairway to seven :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 21, 2016, 08:01:01 PM
First start was ok, but cylinder 2 isn't firing.

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Second video the engine starts to run a little rough so I shit it down.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-04/th_A397AF17-9ABF-4B50-BBED-0B798F5C822C.jpg) (http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-04/A397AF17-9ABF-4B50-BBED-0B798F5C822C.mp4)

The odd side of the engine wasn't getting any electrical signal and not firing.

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This last video we run through the gear and build some heat and ran much better.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 22, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
John and Troy,
KILLER!!!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 17, 2016, 10:12:39 AM
  As usual, problems at El Mirage. A short connector was missing from the longer connection for the F.A.S.T. EFI, so unable to communicate to engine. We decided to run anyway and hope that tune was right. FAST EFI will correct air fuel ratio 20%.
We recorded the run and will be able to see boost, rpm, blower air temp, throttle position, ECT as soon as I can locate that
connector.

  We made a run out of the 200 mile lane about 60th to run. Sounded good Troy didn't full throttle it until 3rd gear then engine
stopped short of finish line. Haven't looked at video yet to see how far, but Troy thought about 1/4 mile. Time of 147 coasting through
finish line. Troy though it felt like a broken blower belt but when we took off the hood, belt was fine. A small burst panel about the size of a quarter was blown out,[ there are 6 small burst panels on Wilson burst plate]. Took off valve covers and found broken exhaust rocker arm at #5 cyl. Hoping just from fatigue as rockers are several years old. plugs looked great but #4 looked a little oily, and compression test shows down about 20lbs.

 Upgrading to Stage V top fuel rockers [ big bucks] :cry:

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 19, 2016, 02:20:23 AM
Car looked nice and clean before we went to El Mirage.

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After we returned not so clean.  I believe the dust is worse than the salt to get off the car.

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And the broken rocket arm got the worst of it!

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 19, 2016, 07:06:22 AM
I give up.  the folding chairs are for paying spectators, to raise spare change to buy beer?

The folding chairs are for playing "Musical Chairs" to see who gets to run the power washer next?

The folding chairs are for the rest of the parishioners who didn't show up for services at the car wash?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 19, 2016, 10:36:26 AM
Here's a video one of our friends took.

https://youtu.be/NNzH8GGuBl4
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 19, 2016, 11:44:11 AM
I give up.  the folding chairs are for paying spectators, to raise spare change to buy beer?

The folding chairs are for playing "Musical Chairs" to see who gets to run the power washer next?

The folding chairs are for the rest of the parishioners who didn't show up for services at the car wash?

  The chairs get dusty along with everything else. And after washing we hang the parachute on them :-D

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 19, 2016, 11:53:41 AM
Here's a video one of our friends took.

https://youtu.be/NNzH8GGuBl4

  Troy pussy footing it just to make it all the way thru and then a rocker arm broke :roll:
  Bought the missing pigtail for the EFI and will know throttle position when we download.

  Good pic of why it's called El Mirage at end of run.

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on May 19, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
Luckily you can leave the dust on for a week or two and the car will still be there when you get around to it.  Not so with salt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 24, 2016, 11:46:05 PM
We received our new rocker stands today, they're a nice shiny anodized blue.  Just waiting on the rocker arms and then we'll be back in business!

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 25, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
John,
Are you going with forged steel rockers?

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 25, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
John,
Are you going with forged steel rockers?

Rex

  No, the JESEL forged steel exhaust rocker is $325, intake $278 each :-o made for top fuel with lots of nitro and opening into a lot of pressure. $4824 + tax and shipping almost as cost of a KB block.

 Over kill on application and pocket book. Going with stage V cast stainless, top alcohol. Much more reasonable and we don't rev
nearly as high as top alcohol.

             JL222

                                    
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on May 26, 2016, 01:14:31 PM
T shirt of champions  :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 28, 2016, 07:29:51 PM
Love that shirt, I just have to remember not to get it dirty next time!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 28, 2016, 07:33:30 PM
The stage 5 rocker arms have arrived.  Now it's time to start the inspection process.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 30, 2016, 12:02:36 AM
Here's a video one of our friends took.

https://youtu.be/NNzH8GGuBl4

  Troy pussy footing it just to make it all the way thru and then a rocker arm broke :roll:
  Bought the missing pigtail for the EFI and will know throttle position when we download.

  Good pic of why it's called El Mirage at end of run.

                JL222

  We got the GoPro in car video up on my computer Sat and Troy took a pic of video with his I-phone.
  We were busy yesterday with his daughter ''Peyton's'' 16th birthday party and 50 + guest :-o
  So hoping he'll have time to post it soon.

  If you look at the throttle on left side of hood, in the video to be posted, you can see it never goes out of site.
  You can tell when rocker arm breaks, engine quits, and it takes 10 sec. to cost thru finish line at 147 mph.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 30, 2016, 07:22:24 PM
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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 30, 2016, 09:35:38 PM
Here's a video one of our friends took.

https://youtu.be/NNzH8GGuBl4

  Troy pussy footing it just to make it all the way thru and then a rocker arm broke :roll:
  Bought the missing pigtail for the EFI and will know throttle position when we download.

  Good pic of why it's called El Mirage at end of run.

                JL222

  We got the GoPro in car video up on my computer Sat and Troy took a pic of video with his I-phone.
  We were busy yesterday with his daughter ''Peyton's'' 16th birthday party and 50 + guest :-o
  So hoping he'll have time to post it soon.

  If you look at the throttle on left side of hood, in the video to be posted, you can see it never goes out of site.
  You can tell when rocker arm breaks, engine quits, and it takes 10 sec. to cost thru finish line at 147 mph.

             JL222


  This post got hidden on the other page.
  Anyhow if you look thru the dust of the ''in car video'' the finish line goes by about 10 sec after rocker breaks.

        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 31, 2016, 12:51:05 PM
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  The dust comes in after shutdown, makes me believe that the header exhaust '' which blows by the doors'' is keeping dust out.

  Checking on better door seal.

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on May 31, 2016, 08:09:55 PM
Several years ago I was chatting with someone in tech inspection line, and looking over the car they had a NACA duct that I could not understand what it was feeding air to. When I asked them they said it fed air into the passenger compartment so it was slightly pressurized during a run. They said it helped keep the dust out when running on the dirt, and also as a safety measure to keep any flame from entering the passenger compartment if they had a fire and it got past one of the fire seals in the fire wall.

I don't recall the car now, it was 8-10 years ago but the idea sounded good as he described it.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 03, 2016, 01:08:30 PM
Several years ago I was chatting with someone in tech inspection line, and looking over the car they had a NACA duct that I could not understand what it was feeding air to. When I asked them they said it fed air into the passenger compartment so it was slightly pressurized during a run. They said it helped keep the dust out when running on the dirt, and also as a safety measure to keep any flame from entering the passenger compartment if they had a fire and it got past one of the fire seals in the fire wall.

I don't recall the car now, it was 8-10 years ago but the idea sounded good as he described it.

  We had air 3/4'' air hoses from front to inside one coming up in dash in front of steering wheel + a small air scoop in driver side window [ the part not connected to window]. We put a new front end on and didn't replace the front air scoops because they didn't
stop the dust. We taped off the window scoop because of the replace windows with Lexan rule.
  We had to abort several Bville runs because the front of Lexan side windows would pop out.
 You can see in the inside videos all the devices we used to stop blowout that didn't work. We finally attached 3/4'' aluminum angle
about 4'' long in 3 places to door frame on body. We have to bend the Lexan under the metal strips and give a final hip push to shut
the door. Door opens easily from inside.
 Fix worked to a 294 mph 1st mile time and a indicated 318 top speed.

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 04, 2016, 02:22:32 PM
The stage 5 rocker arms have arrived.  Now it's time to start the inspection process.

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  Hope to install new stands and rocker arms tomorrow, check if geometry is right, then start to take off heads and check pistons.

  Heading to shop to fix swamp cooler pump, it freezes up every in the off season.

                      JL222





                
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 13, 2016, 11:05:32 AM
As our fellow racers were setting records at El Mirage on Sunday we were switching out our valve train.

Out with the (http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/721F1711-3514-4B0E-83DE-A35FB1FE73D8.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/bvillercr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/721F1711-3514-4B0E-83DE-A35FB1FE73D8.jpg.html)

In with the new!


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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 13, 2016, 11:46:24 AM
Blessed are those that post pictures of cool eye candy.  Thanks :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on June 13, 2016, 12:29:19 PM
yeah and they are the color of choice for many LSR types BL blue  :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 08, 2016, 03:06:40 PM
Blessed are those that post pictures of cool eye candy.  Thanks :cheers: :cheers:

  Not so sure about cool :-P

  We have had hell the last few weeks, after firing up we discovered no oil in rocker shafts that oil the rockers and pushrods.

  Aftter removing the heads and checking cam bearing to see if bearing had spun and was blocking oiling holes [it was ok]

  and pumping oil up through block, we drilled out the KB oiler holes in the rocker stands that supply oil to the shafts.
  kB holes were half the size of stock stands.

  Fired back up and problem solved , called it a night.

  Next day, fired it up and only firing on one side :roll: Just bought a new EFI Y connector for same problem a while ago.

  Spray cleaned connectors, checked voltage, and ran good, Warmed her up and set the valves. Started up again and ran

 on one side only. ordered another EFI Y harness. Delivered Thur.

   Justin our EFI expert came out last night to put 294 mph bville tune in EFI from laptop, installed new harness and same old thing, firing on one side only, couldn't fix it after checking and cleaning all connectors. Injectors show voltage on hot wire on bank not running?

  Troy's been talking to tech and it could be an ignition signal problem and I talked to fast about a new box and they said
I could check my box on another car with a fast unit. Justin has been working on a car with a fast unit. call into him waiting on answer.
  If that's not enough my tow truck needs a new sensor :cry:
 
  If I need a new box FAST can ship next day to Wendover :cheers:

     JL222
  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltwheels262 on August 08, 2016, 09:26:44 PM
Good luck fixing the problem and on the salt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on August 09, 2016, 09:57:05 AM
If you end up needing a box I will have spares with me and I can get you a GREAT deal on one from FAST.  (we are a WD Dealer)
Look for us if you need help with the box.  I will have my Oscilloscope and equipment to fix things with me on the salt.
Paul Powell
(252) 452-4998
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on August 09, 2016, 10:33:00 AM
Great pics and glad you sorted the oiling problem.
Thanks man. Always look forward to your posts and wish you guys all the best. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 10, 2016, 02:51:13 AM
If you end up needing a box I will have spares with me and I can get you a GREAT deal on one from FAST.  (we are a WD Dealer)
Look for us if you need help with the box.  I will have my Oscilloscope and equipment to fix things with me on the salt.
Paul Powell
(252) 452-4998
 

  Thanks Paul, that would me great :-D  I just ordered a new box this morning and being shipped to the Nugget Casino.
  We really need some help as the car is hardly running and we can't figure it out.
 We are loaded up and leaving about 6:30 in the morning.

                       JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on August 10, 2016, 11:36:30 AM
Check us out when you get there. We will be there Friday Morning.
You can call me (252) 452-4998 or (252) 885-0079
I know we can get you running.
Paul Powell
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2016, 01:31:54 PM
Our new XFI should be here in Wendover this afternoon.  We will give you a call Paul once we have the part. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 13, 2016, 12:26:09 AM
Did you guys make it to the salt today? If so, where are you pitted?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: gkabbt on August 13, 2016, 02:45:41 AM

GH, They did make it here and are pitted next to the Got Salt folks. I'd guess a little passed half way the pits on the front row. I've been meaning to stop by and introduce myself but just have not made it there yet. I will get by there today.

Gregg
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2016, 12:42:28 PM
We made a pass yesterday and was way to rich and pulled off the course.  In line now and should run again in about an hour and a half.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 20, 2016, 03:07:11 PM

  Positives first :-D Our EFI was having problems and Paul Powell [super EFI turner, wizard] traced the problem to corroded
weather pack pins. Then eventually tuned the car to the power we were used to or more and offered to help in the future.
  2nd.. We didn't blow any tires on the trailer, 3 last time at Bvill, the axel changes worked.
  We did have a big ass banging tire splitting cord busting blow out on tire mounted on front of trailer. Scared the hell ot of
everyone, sounded like a big rifle. Checked another spare in the trailer and it had a 11/2 in piece of rubber blown out.
 What the heck :-o All our tires say #80 lbs at max load rating which we filled before leaving with air hose gauge.
 Our race gauge only goes to 60 lbs, bowered a gauge that went to 120 lbs from ThunderSalt and checked the tires on trailer
 95 lbs truck 100 lbs :-o Shop air gauge way off. maybe there is such a thing as Guarding Angles, Not good having front tire
blow out on truck.
 
  After fixing the corrosion problem we had the 294 mph tune in the EFI, way to rich, course very bumpy, turned out.
  Paul leaned it but didn't want to get to lean, still to rich turned out. Course way to bumpy and shacking every thing in car.
  Felt like a broken rod.
  Paul puts in his personal tune up and we brake dyno it [ on  jack stands, step hard on brake and  full throttle it ] 1st time
 a little lazy, Paul adjust EFI [this takes seconds] try again, better. adjust, better, adjust WOW.
  Short course this time 1st gear 30% throttle loose, bumpy, eyes double vision but better than long course, 2nd gear same deal loose and squirrely. 3rd gear plenty of power got up to 40% Throttle but felt I could spin at any time so shifted into high
gear,revs to low fouled a plug but I stayed on throttle hoping it would clear up it slowly picked up but still squirrely had a 204
or something 21/4 and spun before the 3 at a tack indicated 228 mph stayed on ground but right side front end got damaged
from car getting up on suspension when sideways, left side went into droop so much the spring holder was on top of spring instead of centered. We could have repaired front end but I had enough of rough courses.
  The BNI did the best they could do with the thin salt they had. They couldn't use the heavy railroad track to drag as the salt was so thin, so they used lighter drags. Fast Freddy was out there dragging every night and said the salt was just to dry and needed a little rain to bond.

      JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: gkabbt on August 20, 2016, 08:08:11 PM

I'm the one that gave Paul's business card to Troy and will agree 100% about Paul being the super EFI turner, wizard.
I live about 10 miles from him and have been at his shop MANY times and seen him work his tuning magic on customers cars. I can say that I really feel sorry for his dyno!  :-D  :-D

Gregg 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 24, 2016, 02:03:37 AM
 
  Looking back at my desert racing days I'm wondering if my shocks didn't pump down from the multible bumps in a row
resulting in solid  suspension, it felt like it.
 For those wondering what shock pump down is, its the shock compressing more than the springs can rebound resulting in the shock being compressed to the bottom of its travel and becoming like a solid suspension.
 This can happen in motorcycle racing when there's to much dampening and not enough rebound over several bumps resulting
in a get off.

                    jl222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 24, 2016, 02:09:50 AM
John, my first thought was that you may have had the shocks dialled in too firm but I like your theory better. I makes a lot of sense. Hopefully the course will continue to recover and further efforts can be made to fully restore the surface for future events.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 24, 2016, 07:22:37 AM
"Pumping down" a bike's shocks causes the fork to (in effect) get shorter, and that changes the steering geometry, and that can end up with headshake.  It's common -- Nancy and I both have found the fun of an impending tank/slammer on the Ice Breaker bike - headshake that started about a buck-sixty on our bike.  And how do you get the front to relax and get back to "normal" length?  Just what you instinctively want to do at speed -- gas it!  WFO!  Take some weight off the front for a couple of seconds, let it stretch back to normal, and handling returns.

Yeah, pin it while going fast on the salt and the front starts to shake.  Just what I know I'd want to do! :roll:

On a car -- at least maybe you'd get some ride quality back... :evil:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 24, 2016, 11:44:24 AM
Hmmm me thinks I like my solid more and more---it seems to act like SSS says gas it more to smooth out the ride!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 24, 2016, 01:05:14 PM
Hmmm me thinks I like my solid more and more---it seems to act like SSS says gas it more to smooth out the ride!!

  Yeah..   gas it more, spin the wheels and loose control.
 
  Nobody should have turned out or gone home just gas it :roll:

      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 24, 2016, 01:13:41 PM
Twist hard on the throttle -- on a bike.  I wasn't talking about four-wheelers, although I guess you're right -- there's a chance of breaking loose the back end.  But on a bike, at least, what're you gonna do -- lose the front end for good or maybe unload it just long enough to get it back?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 24, 2016, 01:24:51 PM
Twist hard on the throttle -- on a bike.  I wasn't talking about four-wheelers, although I guess you're right -- there's a chance of breaking loose the back end.  But on a bike, at least, what're you gonna do -- lose the front end for good or maybe unload it just long enough to get it back?

  Yeah  bikes are different, I was being sarcastic about Sparkys post not yours :-D

  Desert racing is different, if the shocks pump down you have to slow down in the whoops until they recover or eat it.
 
  Shock pump down and bottoming was a problem we had a half a lifetime ago with 6'' of travel, not as much when 10'' or more came out

  If you look close at Evil Knievel's videos, his shocks bottom out and off he goes.

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 24, 2016, 02:10:09 PM
John, my first thought was that you may have had the shocks dialled in too firm but I like your theory better. I makes a lot of sense. Hopefully the course will continue to recover and further efforts can be made to fully restore the surface for future events.

Pete

  Hi Pete... The frustrating thing is that I spent a small fortune [ well almost :-P] on Alston adjustable shocks and springs.
 At the Mojave mile the springs would sag out, screwing up our ground clearance, adjust coil overs, run, sag again, and again.
who knows were they were made? Besides that, the softest adjustment on the shocks was so hard we couldn't even move the
rear of the car when two of us were pushing down on the bumper.
 So back with the original Koni shocks and springs. That have worked great in the past and we ran them last week.
 We once ran a Bville course that had several potholes in it from rain and didn't even feel them.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 04, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
Time to work on the car again, hmm where should we start? :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 04, 2016, 02:23:01 PM
Time to work on the car again, hmm where should we start? :-P

  Start with compression test to see if any thing going on with plug fouling in #3.
   If good, set valves, put blower tubes back on [ we took tubes off to check if salt got in tubes or intercooler after spin at Bville, no salt]  :cheers: and fire up :-D
  We better check to see if rims are bent. Tires OK but rough spot on both rears but not flat spotted.

  Also download last run from Fast EFI to laptop.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on September 16, 2016, 01:04:19 PM
Send data log to Paul.
Get computer connected to car.
Call Paul and let him play with tune.
GO REAL FAST!

Hope you are doing well and hope to see y'all soon.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 16, 2016, 06:05:12 PM
Send data log to Paul.
Get computer connected to car.
Call Paul and let him play with tune.
GO REAL FAST!

Hope you are doing well and hope to see y'all soon.



  That sounds great Paul :-D  Will do as soon as Troy has time to make it out to the shop.

  I know you left before our last run, engine had plenty of power, to much to give much throttle, so I went into high gear, but revs were to low Then it acted like it fouled a plug, I kept going hoping it would clear up, but even with low power I spun in the 3 mile on the bumpy loose track, 209 in the 1/4 and 228 tack indicated. #3 plug was black [ 02 sensor exhaust pipe] and after checking at home #4 pushrod cup was destroyed and not opening intake valve.
 
 We replaced pushrod and adjuster nut so ready to run El Mirage but not sure if lake bed doesn't get rain.

        JL222
   
   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 30, 2016, 03:01:55 PM
 
 Just ordered a MSD 8+ ignition and new coil from Summit Racing. Shipped the day I ordered and received the next day  8-)

  This will give us 75% more spark energy but cost 75% more than old system :-P

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 09, 2016, 01:16:34 PM

 Just ordered a MSD 8+ ignition and new coil from Summit Racing. Shipped the day I ordered and received the next day  8-)

  This will give us 75% more spark energy but cost 75% more than old system :-P

                    JL222

  Decided to replace all the adjuster nuts with new ones. Engine is ready for warm up [ just need to install blower ducting to intercooler and install MSD 8 and coil] after engine is warm will install new adjusters, set valves at hot lash and add STP to pushrod cups. Also see if there's a room for a tube inside valve covers with holes aimed at adjuster nuts and pushrods for better oiling. Also thinking about adding STP to engine oil.

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Woodyedmiston on October 14, 2016, 11:23:39 AM
jl222
Wondering how the tube for additional oiling worked.  Any flow back problems or build up of oil in the valve covers?  What did you use for nozzles or did you?  Focusing on this with my build.  WDE
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 14, 2016, 01:30:41 PM
jl222
Wondering how the tube for additional oiling worked.  Any flow back problems or build up of oil in the valve covers?  What did you use for nozzles or did you?  Focusing on this with my build.  WDE

  WDE... I haven't done any thing yet but when we had mechanical injection with two intercoolers in a box above injectors we just ran a short piece of brake line inside of box between the coolers, with small holes drilled angled at top of injectors to inject gas for starting All fittings from Summit Racing including electric fuel pump which we still use for priming the EFI system.
  So hopefully there's room inside valve covers to do the same.
 We can tap off the back of oil filter and use braided lines to valve covers.

 The blown alcohol drag racers used to spray oil on their springs [maybe they still do?] but don't know about system.

              JL222


    
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Woodyedmiston on October 16, 2016, 09:59:04 PM
jl222
Wondering how the tube for additional oiling worked.  Any flow back problems or build up of oil in the valve covers?  What did you use for nozzles or did you?  Focusing on this with my build.  WDE

  WDE... I haven't done any thing yet but when we had mechanical injection with two intercoolers in a box above injectors we just ran a short piece of brake line inside of box between the coolers, with small holes drilled angled at top of injectors to inject gas for starting All fittings from Summit Racing including electric fuel pump which we still use for priming the EFI system.
  So hopefully there's room inside valve covers to do the same.
 We can tap off the back of oil filter and use braided lines to valve covers.

 The blown alcohol drag racers used to spray oil on their springs [maybe they still do?] but don't know about system.

              JL222


    Good info...was thinking of a misting nozzle . . . But after following up on your info I realize all the movement in the valve cover does plenty of "atomization " . . . We have a local parts house that will be familiar with the funny car usage of oiling and oiling fittings.  Very helpful.  Please ask if there is anything I can ever do for you.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 04, 2016, 05:58:25 PM
 
  Lots happening in a short time. Just bought 2 vehicles within a week :-o

  Wife's 2005 ExTerra had oil in engine water and water in trans [not good] plus other issues'

  My 1999 Ford F250 had glow plug problem, needed water system change and trans oil change + 4 wheel drive
not engaging which I had fixed [ almost]. Of course I checked out the new trucks when I took it in :roll:
 Salesman says take it for a ride [ big mistake] Wow what a difference 17 yrs make.  440 hp 850 ft lbs torque :-o
and super quiet Well its really nice but just bought a Nissan Rouge 3 days ago'

  Go to pick up truck and notice not engaging in low range, another big expense.

  This time they talked me into it, didn't take much though :-D

  Ruby Red, crew cab, short bed, 4 wheel drive, diesel. This truck is bitchen,

  Now were working on a front push bar.

  Back to the 222 Camaro. We warmed the engine and were replacing old adjuster nuts with new ones when Troy noticed that new adjusters were noticeably longer?  Set valve cover on, turned motor over and Valve cover jumps up $#@#. At least we caught it on 1st rocker.

  Replaced old coil with higher rated one but hooking up MSD 8 to the FAST EFI is a project, looks like piggy backing on to current unit is better and easier. Waiting on that project.
 Also noticed headers on left bank needs welding.
 
  So we need to make front push bar and weld two pipes and go to El Mirage.

  But we have 2 couples [old friends and neighbors from Santa Barbara] coming to visit and should show up shortly :-D
  Hey can you guys give me a hand on the race car :-D

                  JL222



 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 14, 2016, 08:04:58 PM
Well, we had a good second run going at El Mirage the last weekend.  We got up to 200 and got loose and went sideways!  Looks like I was five seconds of fighting a spin before I went through the light sideways or close to it.  Here's my video. :-D

https://youtu.be/ILSBHb4hv-0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on December 15, 2016, 11:25:50 AM
Still need to get that thing tuned up a little more!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 15, 2016, 08:32:35 PM
Still need to get that thing tuned up a little more!

Yeah Paul... We want to better prepared for El Mirage next May, and better tune is one of them. More up turn at rear of spoiler, grooved tires and more weight. Grooving tires similar to Formulae 1 intermediate rain tires. Maybe Troy can post pics of tire and also send you data from last run.
 
 We met Steve Moody at the Nov. meet. Steve has a big machine shop in Fresno several CNCs and lathes AND a dyno. Steve's  an engine builder and tuner for some very fast cars at Bville and Elmo. So will be calling before we go there to make sure your available for internet tune. Crazy stuff, tune car from NC :-o

                     JL222

  

 

              

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 25, 2016, 08:36:24 PM
Grooving our tires similar to something like this.


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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on January 10, 2017, 02:11:10 PM
Funky pattern!  Do you think it will help with traction?  I can see water removal (rain racing) but not sure on the salt or dirt.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 10, 2017, 10:57:58 PM
Funky pattern!  Do you think it will help with traction?  I can see water removal (rain racing) but not sure on the salt or dirt.


  Yeah funky... but I think easier on tire life than a sprint tire pattern. Don't want it chunking at speed.

  The link didn't show the F1 rain tire which is more aggressive. We'll start with this on some older tires not rated for 300mph and

  try them at May El Mirage and see what happens.

   Not sure how much rain  El Mirage got with the recent storms but we got plenty here in the Clovis foothills. Hopefully it will get flooded
a bunch which helps keep the marbles down.

                       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 27, 2017, 04:16:00 PM
 
  Working to get the 222 Camaro ready for May El Mirage.

  Troy sanded the corrosion off the brake rotors so wheels would turn, still corroded after washing from Nov. meet?
  We had to remove one rear caliper and remove one adjusting shim for better pad alignment.
  I lubed grease fittings and WD 40 rust spots.
   I just sold a 98 ford ranger after sitting for many years due to wires eaten by rabbits here, and outside at a shop in Fresno for 3 years to get fixed [ which never happened after paying 1st]. Now ex friend  and ex crew member :roll: Anyhow no rust or corrosion on rotors and brakes worked just fine.

  Then the starter decides not to work. Installing spare next weekend and hope to fire up.

                           JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 13, 2017, 02:59:30 PM
  Fixed the starter and engine fired up after a bit, got to figure out how much throttle at start up.

  Started work on bigger spoiler upturns at rear of spoiler.

  Ordering new helmets and tire groover  from Summitt

 Also new front and wide :-D rear tires from Dan Gurney Goodyear Tires in Las Vegas.

  We keep getting deep cracks in sidewalls of front tires. Rep said EPA laws prevent chemicals that they used to use and
the tires that used to be made in Chile were better.
  I've got a stack of these cracked tires with like new thread :roll:

                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 19, 2017, 03:51:02 PM

  Ordered new helmets and tire groover from Summitt in Reno Nev. on Monday and UPS delivered them on Tuesday :-D

  We had 40+ people for Easter and it's a toss up which was more exciting, starting up the 222 Camaro or the 41/2 ft
  rattle snake with 13 rattles :-o

                                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 30, 2017, 11:54:32 AM
Working on the spoiler.  The old and the new.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 30, 2017, 02:02:12 PM

  Bigger new spoiler riser should help El Mirage traction, + grooving tires. Got grooving tool and blades, no instructions,
guess I'm supposed to know all about it :roll:

 Painting spoiler today and adjusting starter, it's not releasing from flywheel.

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 30, 2017, 10:21:26 PM
Painting the spoiler and it's now installed.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 01, 2017, 12:17:55 AM
How about a redneck wind tunnel test with result. :-o

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The dust made it all the way to our spoiler :-D

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 01, 2017, 02:03:41 AM
How about a redneck wind tunnel test with result. :-o

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The dust made it all the way to our spoiler :-D

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  Click on small pic to go to Video. But Troy missed the redneck leaf blower :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on May 01, 2017, 11:34:45 AM
 :?  no snake video
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 02, 2017, 08:28:04 PM
:?  no snake video
       Working on pics, same group Mother's day.

                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 09, 2017, 01:57:18 PM
 
  Almost ready for El Mirage, warmed engine and set valves, touched up paint inside and outside frame. removed fire bottles
  for certification by Deist Safety at El Mirage. checked and set tire pressure on rear FAT  :-D tires so distance around were
  equal for grooving. Then we practiced grooving on old tire

 This morning figured spacing for each groove to come out even and getting ready to make pattern for marking grooves.

  New 2283 tires being shipped and 2291 fat boys coming from Ohio. Out of stock at Carroll Shelby's in Vegas.

                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 09, 2017, 07:49:06 PM

  Almost ready for El Mirage, warmed engine and set valves, touched up paint inside and outside frame. removed fire bottles
  for certification by Deist Safety at El Mirage. checked and set tire pressure on rear FAT  :-D tires so distance around were
  equal for grooving. Then we practiced grooving on old tire

 This morning figured spacing for each groove to come out even and getting ready to make pattern for marking grooves.

  New 2283 tires being shipped and 2291 fat boys coming from Ohio. Out of stock at Carroll Shelby's in Vegas.

                   JL222

  Ordered the 2283 Front Runners yesterday morning in Las Vegas and they arrived this morning here in Clovis :-o
  Template for marking grooves in tires almost done, finish tomorrow and maybe start grooving

                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 11, 2017, 12:03:59 AM
New front tire are here.

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JL222 made this pattern mock up to mark the tire

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Me using the grooving tool, works best when heated at least 15 min.

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Final result equals

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on May 11, 2017, 11:31:30 AM
Your rear tire groove pattern looks a lot like a pair of rain tires I have. Nice work.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 18, 2017, 12:49:28 PM

  New fat boy tires arrived yesterday and grooved tires and new front runners got mounted, balanced and installed.

 We also completed a bench for inside front of trailer to carry our crates. My old truck had a shell which we could lock. new truck doesn't. Troy has pics.

  Were ready for El Mirage, starting to load in a few minutes and leaving tomorrow early.

               JL222

                         
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on May 18, 2017, 05:20:19 PM
good luck guys! looking forward to big numbers and pics!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on May 18, 2017, 07:28:47 PM
Go well guys. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2017, 10:48:57 PM
This bench has been one of the best investment yet! It makes fabricating so much easier.

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Finally built a storage area for all of our crates, and new generator, compressor and welder will go below.

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All gassed up and ready to run.


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I was on the ground and thought this was a cool view.  Lol

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Now she's all washed and loaded up and yes I forgot to take a photo!

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 22, 2017, 03:32:13 PM

  Jeez.. what a week end. Arrived Fri afternoon, got right into inspection, passed. but big lineup to pay and enter. Then they closed at 5:00 and everyone come back Sat morning. Big slooow line, finely entered, warm up engine runs a while and quits,
WTF is all that smoke at back of trunk? Positive batter cable that goes to is melting, shut power off at rear. We spent rest of day tracing the short and after many this must be its, we [Troy] changed the starter Even though short cable to starter from junction stud showed no short. Fired up, kept running and no more heated up cable.

 Then SCTA closed early because of bad course and "supposedly 3 cars had gone out the back door and BLM was threatening
sanctions"
  I talked to one back door driver that he got dusted out and when it cleared he didn't realized he had passed the traps.
 Dusting out was a problem on this course and Sundays also.

 Sunday.  Round 2 had been called when we finely got up to the lineup but we hadn't run yet so they let us push by. We run out of the 200 mile line and nobody in line.
 
   Troy takes off like a bat out of hell, even sooner than usual, leaving us in a cloud of dust completely blocking push truck
vision, that's never happened before. Newly grooved tires?

   1st gear 30% tps 2 gear 40% 3 gear traction good then bad, a bit side ways, backing off an on throttle, but bad track and time of 207mph.

  Back to pits, pull plugs #8 melted and 0 no compression in cyl.
 I hope its a piston and not the head.

                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 25, 2017, 07:52:14 PM
Here is a idea from the south side of the track, you can hear me get loose as I get closer to the camera.  Our car runs at the 7:50 mark of the video.

https://youtu.be/b5xLft0TLuc
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on May 31, 2017, 03:30:32 PM
Hey I waited by the phone and never got a call!
Let me know what you find and I will see what I can do to help.
Paul
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 31, 2017, 11:12:34 PM
Hey I waited by the phone and never got a call!
Let me know what you find and I will see what I can do to help.
Paul

  Sorry about that but I think Troy tried to give you a heads up before? But as my post above says we only got one run in and the track was loose
 and #8 plug was burned up and no compression in it.

  Data logger shows real lean most of the time in low gear then jumps to the nines for a second or so then goes lean again all at 35% tps and no 02 correction until 3rd gear at 65% tps and still only correcting to a less lean condition?

  02 Sensor?

  Small world at times, we were in Santa Barbara this last weekend and stopped to spend the night with our niece in
 Las Alamos about 60 miles from SB, turns out her neighbor works at Bville for the SCTA/BNI he was at El Mirage and took a video of us leaving the start line :-o  Video shows #8 blowing blue smoke from the get go and the other cylinders not doing well I just saw it on the I phone so couldn't tell exactly but looked white, always black smoke at first blip of throttle

  Troys coming out Sunday and hopefully can send the data log and start line run to you. Then we take the head off
and hope its just a piston.

   Thanks JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 06, 2017, 04:10:16 PM
 
   Well, we took off the head and at 1st glance piston looked okay but head was eroded from spark plug hole to exhaust seat about 1/4'' deep X 1/2'' wide seat and valve look okay but seat will probably need to be replaced after
welding repair. Looking closer at piston which was at top of stroke, there was a small erosion at top side of piston, and when we turned the engine over the sleeve had major wear from exhaust fire going down side of piston. We also destroyed  a pushrod top in #4?
 
  Running at part throttle engine was real lean with no or very little boost but with more tps and boost EFI corrects to richer.

 I don't think we can get the sleeve out without heating the block. Troy broke a sleeve puller where it connects to different sizes of piston plates even when block was heated. So it looks llike engine pulling time.

  Another problem, valves were extremely tight with very little or no clearance . Which means valves are sinking in head, Very frustrating.

  Hope to pull other head and pitons next weekend.


                       JL222  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 12, 2017, 02:17:38 PM
  We pulled the pistons and #8 is torched [like a cutting torch] through the rings and inside of piston to rod. so new rod and piston, which I have 2 of each but rings were pinched in 2 other pistons but we think we can make one of our old pistons work that I replaced with new because of minor wear on bottom of skirt. Engine was apart so just replaced
with a perfect one.

 Just ordered a new sleeve puller that weighs 13lbs vrs our 51/2lb so hopefully we can pull sleeve in car.
 Also just was talking to cousin Arley who suggested a couple of weld beads inside of sleeve to shrink it.
 I'll try packing sleeve with dry ice above puller I'ST,

 Troy took pics so maybe he can post them.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on June 12, 2017, 02:58:45 PM
So John, The obvious question is why did it happen. If the tune was right before, why did it kill itself now....

I get it if you don't know yet.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 12, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
So John, The obvious question is why did it happen. If the tune was right before, why did it kill itself now....

I get it if you don't know yet.

  Yeah, it was OK at bville and should have been richer at El Mirage and OK last Nov.

  O2 sensor just has a few runs on it but at part throttle and no boost or load, data log shows very lean and no correction but corrects and richens with boost,tps and load.

  Hope to get every thing fixed and on dyno before Bville.

          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 20, 2017, 01:25:04 PM

 This Bville car can be a big pain in the ass. Our blower is mounted on a 3/4 in plate in front of the engine and is driven  by a shortened and modified funny car drive shaft with Greek couplers on engine side. The shaft is supported with 4 bearings in an aluminum housing. There's a snap ring behind the housing to keep the shaft in place and from moving forward. Trouble begins, half of snap ring frozen in place, '' Bville salt'' :roll: after hour or more finally pops out of grove. Shaft has to move forward to clear Greek coupler on engine and lift blower plate out of car. more trouble, shaft will not slide forward. we lift blower and plate with a cherry picker. and no matter which way we tried
shaft wouldn't clear coupler. Finally we had to grind less than a 1/16" off coupler to clear and remove assembly :-P
 After 4hrs and fathers day company coming we called it a day.

  Monday afternoon  we finished pulling the engine, but hey, new monster sleeve puller yanked the bad sleeve out without heating up the block :-D

                    JL222
 
 

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on June 22, 2017, 11:22:16 AM
Let me know when you are going to the dyno.
We need to get that tune right before Bonneville.
This year you really need to get the right color hat!!!!
I know it is cheaper to get the tune right then hurt parts!!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 22, 2017, 02:12:35 PM
Let me know when you are going to the dyno.
We need to get that tune right before Bonneville.
This year you really need to get the right color hat!!!!
I know it is cheaper to get the tune right then hurt parts!!!!


  Yea get the tune right!!! Planning to get 8 EGTS, a fuel pressure sensor, and one more O2 sensor.Not sure if FAST reads O2 sensors separately?

 Trouble finding a sleeve in stock and Darton Sleeves says they have to get from foundry and 8 = 12 weeks but I found a good sleeve in my used parts. Just need one pin or replace all. Steve Moody repairing head.

                          jl222

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 02, 2017, 03:31:07 PM

 block and sleeves cleaned up and ready to install sleeves. New main, rod bearings 8 EGTs and fuel pressure sensor
on order. hope to install sleeves and give them a light hone then assemble engine.

 We also cleaned up clutch disks, floater plates and rebuilt McCloud hydraulic throw out with new O rings

  Still need to take apart, clean and adjust our Hayes 3 disk clutch to specs, It could be a slipper clutch but we set it up to not slip. Hey no clutch dust and no wear :-)
 To much trouble to adjust between runs with our setup.

                 JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 19, 2017, 05:35:12 PM

 Blocks ben honed {as good as they could) some out of round and spots not so good but could not get sleeves in time.

Rough time getting 8 pistons to use. But had some in stockpile that were all right.

 So crank pistons and rods installed . valves are all lapped and I set valve height and installed valves in repaired head
today. Other head tomorrow. Also clutch taken apart cleaned and set to specs. But one special locking nut was broken and waiting for that. Clutch is a Hays 3 disk 6 finger slipper clutch used in some Pro Mod drag cars, but we use heavy counter weights and give it one turn on the adjustment screw for more pressure on the 6 springs. We don't want it to slip and have to adjust the clutch between runs.
Major pain to adjust in our car even though it might be a good idea for a car that has easy access to it.

  Steeve  Moody is doing the FAST EFI and connecting the 8 new EGTS they come with a junction block and harness
  to plug into the FAST unit but all the plug ins are taken :? I guess there are wire pins that will work.
  Problem though with #7 and 8 EGTS as they are not long enough to run inside of firewall and connect. Seeing about
trading for longer ones.

 Should have engine together by Monday and installed and running by the next weekend. Maybe :-D

                        JL222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 23, 2017, 11:10:20 PM
 
  Engine together and valves set, less manifold, clutch and flywheel. Clutch is adjusted and ready to GO but still waiting on that one special nut. Now get this, I went down to our rural locking mailbox and there was a key inside with mail to unlock larger box they use for large packages, I thinking great, maybe they shipped the nuts in a box. Opened box nothing in there? Besides that, those keys stay put once you open the box. Not this one came right out.

 So leaving a note with key in my box tomorrow.

 Going to Steve Moody's shop tomorrow to see if EFI injectors have been flowed and pick up headers if EGT bungs
have been welded.

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on July 24, 2017, 09:15:05 AM

  ... ready to GO but still waiting on that one special nut.
                JL222

The one behind the wheel?  :roll:

sorry, couldn't stop myself from pulling a sound bite out of context... maybe I should work for CNN  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 25, 2017, 03:14:32 PM

  ... ready to GO but still waiting on that one special nut.
                JL222

The one behind the wheel?  :roll:

sorry, couldn't stop myself from pulling a sound bite out of context... maybe I should work for CNN  :cheers:

 We already have 2 of those :-D

 Had special nut machined by Ted at Steve Moody's shop. Clutch now complete and installing on engine today.

 Steve flowed our EFI injectors and flow was way down on 6 of them, 6 new ones coming today. 

  Really need a filter but finding room to install it and one that flows enough gal per min is a nightmare.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 28, 2017, 12:06:02 AM
 We installed engine and one Owens trans today. install blower plate and drive Sat, Then manifold, headers, ECT, ECT
 
 Fuel filter, fittings and hose coming from Summit. supports up to 3,000 hp. need to hook up existing fuel lines,  and hope new filter will fit where I think it will. And hope not to many hose changes.

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2017, 10:41:32 AM

  Blower plate '' has blower and drive on it'' installed Sat. went easier than usual, Plate is 3/4 inch thick and bolts in place on frame we have to shim with valve spring shims to get Greek coupler to line up with receiver on crank.
 This time we labeled the shims for each bolt hole when we took plate off and didn't have to mess with any shimming.

 We also installed the manifold and hooked up the fuel lines (there is a bunch) New fuel filter install went really good
and we only have to make one new fuel line.

  Installing oil lines, blower tubes, headers, new EGTs  and the rest of the Owens transmissions next.

 Were still short the 6 new injectors but supposed to be here tomorrow.
 
                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 02, 2017, 12:12:20 PM


   Geez, we found a loose bearing support on overdrive trans which resulted in a shim being welded to overdrive shaft and rear of planetary housing , had to drive 90 miles to Scot Owens shop yesterday to get fixed.
 Got back put 17 quarts of oil in engine oil in the transmissions hooked up the blower tubes adjusted the clutch
checked that all fuel lines were tight [ some weren't] :-P and cleaned out fuel tank.
  We could have fired the engine but decided to wait until today. I told Troy I wanted to sleep all night for a change
incase there were problems.

 And there might be a problem with the hydraulic throw out bearing. Troy thinks he can here a hissing noise.
 A leak? :x

                             JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 04, 2017, 11:26:52 AM

  @#$%&!!!... EFI only fires on right side. We had this problem last year and traced it to corroded connectors in main harness. We cleaned the pins with battery clean [PNA to get pins out[ put a bunch of dialectic grease on connectors, and solved the problem. trying to trace the problem today.

 But... 1st thing , we have a small electric fuel pump to prime engine, this builds pressure in fuel regulator to 45lbs,
no pressure, bladder in regulator not right, take regulator apart, no sign of a hole, put back together and get pressure? But slower than usual. New one coming today.

                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 08, 2017, 01:46:57 AM
 
  OK... very little fuel pressure  when trying to prime system, new bladder for regulator and no difference, traced problem to loose connection in fuel line  :roll: A few injector problems fixed and finally firing on
all 8  :cheers:

 Dyno tomorrow then load for Bville :-D

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2017, 02:35:35 AM

  Dyno tuned but not easy, a little rich on the safe side, richer at Bville, make a short pass then check tune.

  SOUNDS scary on dyno :-o

   A bit of loading in morning then off to Bville.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Paul Powell on August 09, 2017, 09:08:27 AM
See you there. 
Make sure you bring the EGT module that was not working.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2017, 02:50:39 PM
See you there. 
Make sure you bring the EGT module that was not working.


 Hi Paul...FAST is shipping new module to the Nugget should be there Thursday.

  Were heading out as soon as I finish this post.

  Hope we can find a spot on the 2nd class 1st row after passing fat cat row :roll:

                     JL222   See you there :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 16, 2017, 01:58:06 PM
Any updates???
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 18, 2017, 01:21:53 PM

  I ran the rooky course just to get a tune and avoid a long wait [still long] and so rough couldn't give much throttle.
 
  Ran long course and same deal, afraid I would spin, bumpy and loose. Gave up before the three. Told Troy you can try it but I'm not driving on that crappy course again So $150 driver change.

 Troy now believes me :-D Got up to 185mph at the 21/4 and 163 in the 3 but got very side ways and loose all the way. Packed up and left.

  Its unbelievable how bad a course the BNI thinks its acceptable to run cars down. The course had been moved over and down a mile so we were waiting on a dragged :? course. I laid my tape measure on edge over a hole an inch deep and the holes were all over. With holes you have bumps.
  ThunderSalt shredded his Mickey Thomson tires after a 235 mph pass :-o

  There was a bad roll over early in the week and the driver was taken to Salt Lake.

  Were not going back until Conditions and grading improve.

  I talked to Seth Hammond and after driving the course on Thursday on the 10th he said the course was to rough
 for them to attempt to go fast enough to set a record
 So he left the car parked in Wendover.

  Fast EKG module never shipped so no EGTS :roll:

   Only good news was the 222 Camaro was lifting the left front tire off the ground on dyno run :-o

  Drove straight home yesterday got here about 11:30.

  Stopped, looked and took pics of a herd of about 25 Big Horn Sheeps at Warm Springs on the way to Tonopah

   BIG racks on a lot of them, saw 1 Antelope and several wild horses.

  And no FLAT tires :-D

                 JL222   


 
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: CNC-Dude on August 18, 2017, 04:24:28 PM
I've been following your thread for quite a while now and was hoping to see you get over 300. Sounds like many other competitors are going to be disappointed in the track as well from what you're saying about the conditions, and probably not many, if any new records..
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 18, 2017, 05:45:57 PM
Bikes were doing good qualifying.  Maybe a plus with lots of holes in their records list. 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: MAZDA1807 on August 18, 2017, 09:32:28 PM
That's odd the Buckeye Bullet ran +330MPH on the long course as well as George's (SpeedDemon) 453MPH exit speed. Strange.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 18, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
Did you run?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: MAZDA1807 on August 18, 2017, 09:44:50 PM
Nope. Crewing for a car that got a red hat at 260MPH, and crewing on another car that got 3 red hats! 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 19, 2017, 02:28:55 AM
That's odd the Buckeye Bullet ran +330MPH on the long course as well as George's (SpeedDemon) 453MPH exit speed. Strange.

  I believe the bumps on longer wheelbase streamliners doesn't upset the chassis as much as the shorter cars.

  Our wide tires do not grip well on a loose choppy track so looking for narrow tires and rims.

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on August 19, 2017, 09:34:50 AM
Big, long, heavy, tandem wheels, over 6000# and other things help BIG things stay moving.

Johnboy
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: doug on August 19, 2017, 10:41:31 AM
Big, long, heavy, tandem wheels, over 6000# and other things help BIG things stay moving.

Johnboy

The BB3 weighs 8900 dry.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 19, 2017, 01:12:32 PM
Big, long, heavy, tandem wheels, over 6000# and other things help BIG things stay moving.

Johnboy

  Tandem as in dually? Or in line, one after the other?

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 19, 2017, 03:48:01 PM

  I ran the rooky course just to get a tune and avoid a long wait [still long] and so rough couldn't give much throttle.
 
  Ran long course and same deal, afraid I would spin, bumpy and loose. Gave up before the three. Told Troy you can try it but I'm not driving on that crappy course again So $150 driver change.

 Troy now believes me :-D Got up to 185mph at the 21/4 and 163 in the 3 but got very side ways and loose all the way. Packed up and left.

  Its unbelievable how bad a course the BNI thinks its acceptable to run cars down. The course had been moved over and down a mile so we were waiting on a dragged :? course. I laid my tape measure on edge over a hole an inch deep and the holes were all over. With holes you have bumps.
  ThunderSalt shredded his Mickey Thomson tires after a 235 mph pass :-o

  There was a bad roll over early in the week and the driver was taken to Salt Lake.

  Were not going back until Conditions and grading improve.

  I talked to Seth Hammond and after driving the course on Thursday on the 10th he said the course was to rough
 for them to attempt to go fast enough to set a record
 So he left the car parked in Wendover.

                 JL222   


Here is how the long course was described to me on a Friday drive down the course. " If you were holding a full cup of coffee in your hand when you left the starting line in the push vehicle by the time you completed the five mile course you would be lucky to have a half a cup left. There were two half mile sections that were smooth, but not together."

Some vehicles are better in those conditions than others, but I did notice that team speed demon did not run again even though they qualified for a record. That run was enough to give George his name on the Hot Rod trophy.

The SCTA did their best under the circumstances. There is just not enough salt to work with.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 19, 2017, 06:08:01 PM
"Nope. Crewing for a car that got a red hat at 260MPH, and crewing on another car that got 3 red hats!"

So tell us what you learned from riding in the push trucks.  Or were they full?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: MAZDA1807 on August 19, 2017, 08:26:49 PM
"Nope. Crewing for a car that got a red hat at 260MPH, and crewing on another car that got 3 red hats!"

So tell us what you learned from riding in the push trucks.  Or were they full?

I was just sharing something positive that happened on the salt and can't figure out why you feel the need to attack me? Oh, I almost forgot, I the push trucks were full.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 19, 2017, 11:10:01 PM
Nope. Crewing for a car that got a red hat at 260MPH, and crewing on another car that got 3 red hats! 

  In the certified records I can't find any car that set 3 records over or under 200mph? Strange.

   Who were they?

                JL222 :?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 19, 2017, 11:48:44 PM
Tim Boyle and his son and a crew member got hats in the 622 pickup.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: MAZDA1807 on August 20, 2017, 03:54:11 AM
Yup. Jon got it right. Big Tim, his son, and the crew chief.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 20, 2017, 01:27:15 PM
Yup. Jon got it right. Big Tim, his son, and the crew chief.

  Yesterday there was only 2 certified records for Tim Boyle, same driver, today 4 records and same driver.

  Driver changes not listed has happened to us.

  Congratulatios :cheers:

                             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 20, 2017, 01:45:58 PM
Sorry if I came off snippy -- I sat through all of 'em, listening to Rpn tell us what was going on. :roll:

But also -- we know Tim kinda well enough that when I'd hear his support trucvk outside the announce trailer I'd go out there for a quick howdy and corngratulations - so got the stories first-hand.

Now we'll see if Tim remembers what he said when I asked him, at our last good-bye Friday,when he was gonna let me drive the truck.

He really did say:  "Anytime!"  Woot-woot!!!!!!  I might just try to take him up on that. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 20, 2017, 03:36:43 PM
Mazda --

I apologize.  Too late in the day for me to be posting.  

I just wasn't sure you realized the challenges that some of us take on with shorter (by rule) and lighter ('cause we don't have the HP) cars.

Congratulations on being a part of some winning efforts.

We didn't enjoy success this year -- but we had a great time -- maybe the best ever.  Here a shot of some of our earlier efforts.

Stan
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 20, 2017, 11:12:01 PM

  Not snippy Jon, just the facts as you know them.

  But when the certified records show the same driver you can see the confusion.

          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: MAZDA1807 on August 20, 2017, 11:17:32 PM
No worries everyone. It was a very long week and a half. Peter.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 20, 2017, 11:36:23 PM
  I washed off the salt on outside of truck Sat but the salt on inside of front fender wells was stuck like hell.

  Troy finished washing underside with pressure washer but still harder to get off than usual.  Trailer not so bad
 just into and out of pits so not much salt.

  While Troy pressure washed I swept and mopped the shop. We unloaded the truck and by then we were hot and tired and decided to unload and wash the race car another day.

   The salt was different, it didn't soak up the water as usual and it was a bitch for Troy to clean under the truck steps which are recessed, unlike my 1999 truck steps that had a bottom. That took the most time even with a pressure washer.

               JL222

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 20, 2017, 11:48:00 PM
Troy, thanks for chasing me down. I would

never have found You. I sure wish the

week would have been better for You and

I am at a loss to explain the success that

several fast cars achieved. I hope the day

comes that there is an adequate track for

You.  Practice holding your breath.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 24, 2017, 09:15:49 PM

 Race car all desalted out of trailer and in shop.

  BUT Tue went to car wash for final wash and vacuum the salt out of the interior of my truck. Got it all cleaned up and looking good. Went to Trader Joe's to pick up 2 cases of 2 Buck Chuck [now 3 Buck Chuck] Gal says how is your day going?
 I says real good.

  So I'm loading the wine in the back seat and when I went to shove it over with the other case.

  The FIRE EXTINGUSER WENT OFF :-o  It was on the floor but got put on the seat to vacuum I knew the pin was missing but in hurry to pack didn't fix it. Any how white CO2 all over and under the cab what a mess but good as new now :-D

                                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: salt27 on August 24, 2017, 10:05:52 PM

  So I'm loading the wine in the back seat and when I went to shove it over with the other case.

  The FIRE EXTINGUSER WENT OFF :-o  It was on the floor but got put on the seat to vacuum I knew the pin was missing but in hurry to pack didn't fix it. Any how white CO2 all over and under the cab what a mess but good as new now :-D

                                JL222


Seems like an extreme way to chill wine.   :roll:

Glad to hear the Camaro came home in one piece.  :cheers:

  Don
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 07, 2017, 02:04:20 PM

  Jim Fueling's coupe, where is it? From what I remember Larry [can't recall last name] but member of High Dessert Racers had it but like 2o+ yrs ago.

  Interested in the dually wheels :-D

 Or, who could make some.

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 03, 2017, 01:41:13 AM

  Troy came out Sunday and we pulled the valve covers and checked the pushrods they were all good :cheers:

   We had problems on 1st runs at Bville do to bad adjusters.

  We set the valve lash which was also better than last time at El Mirage. no tightening.

  Checked compression fairly good as we have some out of round cylinders. Still scary impressive on dyno one of Steve
  Moodys employees said it was lifting the left front tire off ground and we have a lot of droop in front suspension.

  No luck finding 5 on 5 lug and 5 in rims. Going to grove tires more for Nov Mirage

  Troy says traction was good at May El Mirage but we torched a cyl and head. 6 of the 16 injectors were down on flow

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on October 03, 2017, 11:26:59 AM
John --

We have a different opinion on the traction condition at El Mirage in May . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfWTgyTDiAM&sns=em

Stan
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 03, 2017, 11:31:59 AM
DANG!!  Did Willy take backwards driving lessons from Freud?  That was - - - interesting:cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on October 03, 2017, 11:33:55 AM
"Willy Martin"??? That was the name of "The Man Who Never Was"!  :-)

That was quite a spin!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 03, 2017, 01:00:43 PM
John --

We have a different opinion on the traction condition at El Mirage in May . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfWTgyTDiAM&sns=em

Stan

 Wow...on skinnies  :-P Go wide :-D

 We made some changes before the May meet. Bigger spoiler up plate ''gurney flap'' and grooved the tires.
 We also were down on power do to 6 bad injectors of 16. Still 206 or so with Troy pussy footing it just to make
a full pass. torched the head and piston.

 More power now, will see what happens.



 Hoping that would help in the marbles ( is that where the spin started. where the track got bad)?

  Street roadsters, a spin on the way to a happening :-D

                JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on October 16, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
Willy gets 10 style points. A 360 spin and nothing damaged.

Maybe he can try for an 11 in November.

An 11 means no spin and a record.

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Guardrail on October 17, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Willy gets 10 style points. A 360 spin and nothing damaged.

Maybe he can try for an 11 in November.

An 11 means no spin and a record.

FREUD

Man, wouldn't that be great?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 21, 2017, 07:07:55 PM

  We fired her up today. #1 and 2 NOT FIRING?  puled plugs. checked spark and EFI injectors for voltage every thing OK.

   Fired her back up, all holes firing :?  mostly ready for NOV El Mirage, just set valves hot and some more tire grooving.

                                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 30, 2017, 02:25:52 AM

 LES SCHWAB TIRES are great!! I had them dismount our slick wide tires and mount and balance our grooved tires.

 I was making sure they got the groove pattern was mounted right and guy asked me what they were for.

 I told him about are car, engine, hp speed and slick tires for Bonneville and grooved for El Mirage. He thought that was pretty cool.

 So as I was ready to pay the $44 charge in the office he comes in and says don't charge him we'll take care of it :-D :cheers: Hey thanks man, got any stickers I'll put them on the car. At first they didn't think they had any
but a gal found some.

  We grooved the tires more today 4 additional straight lines around each tire  which gives a more blocked pattern
   Not a straight block but curved.

   Set hot valve lash next weekend and buy 10 gal of VP C 16 to add to the left over Bville gas.

                  jl222



   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 09, 2017, 01:57:13 AM

 Valves are set, picked up the C16 today. Truck is loaded, just wash race car tomorrow and load her up and leave for EL Mirage early Friday.

                                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on November 10, 2017, 08:48:54 PM
The foto on Facebook guarantees that You arrived.

Someone else posted a good sunset.

Just "blast off" on Saturday.

Have such good results that it will make

me extra sad that I'm not there.

Who's driving?

FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 13, 2017, 12:55:57 AM

  Troy drove, had to back off twice went 212mph. Data logger indicated 233+ at one point but lost shaft that drives blower

                                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on November 14, 2017, 11:13:37 AM
Every run is a "test session."

At least it is for us.

Breakage is so irritating.

Your crank snout reminds

me of our quick change

pinion shafts. Heat treat

was our problem. Maybe

the same with You.


FREUD
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 14, 2017, 12:47:38 PM
Every run is a "test session."

At least it is for us.

Breakage is so irritating.

Your crank snout reminds

me of our quick change

pinion shafts. Heat treat

was our problem. Maybe

the same with You.


FREUD


   Supposed to be 4340 doesn't say heat treated. Lasted since 1989 and break was all at once, twisted off with no bench
marks which would have indicated happening over time. Break is cone shaped.

  Blower seems fine, engine turns over, shaft coupler has end play. ???

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 14, 2017, 04:56:59 PM
 :-D after further review. I removed the shaft from the drive hub and there is lots of bench marks close together and to center of shaft. A crack starts at rounded end of keyway and goes almost half way around shaft where I can see it goes to center of shaft.
  This must have been going on for a long time, at Bville, 6 or more years ago the key in the keyway was working its way
out. We tack welded the key to the shaft, problem solved for several years. Now I know why keyway was loose, shaft was cracking :roll:

  Its good to know what caused the failure.


                        JL222
     
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on November 14, 2017, 06:58:50 PM
This sounds like a fatigue failure.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 14, 2017, 10:58:58 PM
This sounds like a fatigue failure.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

 Yeah, but its a funny car drive shaft made to drive rear ends  with top fuel motors. Just driving a blower.

  Need to figure out a drive hub with out a keyway. Trouble is 1 3/16 Greek coupler  splines on end of 1'' shaft which goes through 4  1'' bearings in pillow block mounted on backside of 7/8 plate that blower is mounted on. End of shaft with keyway has to be 1'' to get through bearings and plate to assemble.

 Probably make the same shaft and try to polish end of keyway somehow to prevent a stress point. It has lasted several
years.

                       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on November 15, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
The sharp corners of the cut are the problem. You need to radius the corners- sides to end and bottom of the cut to both sides and end. A ball-end mill might do the trick.

Of course, splines would be even better.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 16, 2017, 04:06:40 PM
 
  We have an aluminum drive hub with keyway and saw cut to center and a bolt to tighten.

  I'm thinking about a steel hub and tack welding in 3 places. It really doesn't have to come off unless bearings go bad.

 IF need to disassemble just cut tack welds. Just making sure hub runs true after welding.

   No keyway this way.

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 29, 2017, 07:51:41 PM


  New blower drive shaft ( Mark Williams funny car Drive shaft) is here, along with Mark Williams complete vented disk
rear brake kit. Drive hat, rotors, calipers, mounting hardware and all bolts.

  Shaft is about 30 thou larger than old shaft which will need to be machined down to fit through bearings in pillow block.

  Also new steel drive hub for blower pulley needs to be machined.

                                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: WhiskersMagee on December 27, 2017, 12:30:21 PM
Nice build, you guys just need a little luck on your side.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on May 18, 2018, 08:45:47 AM
It's been too quiet over here. What's going on? You guys racing this year?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 18, 2018, 02:51:43 PM
It's been too quiet over here. What's going on? You guys racing this year?

   We held off on El Mirage as Linda has been having radiation treatments since December and I need to be with her.

   Not making Bville either but hopefully Nov. El Mirage.

                         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 18, 2018, 06:23:56 PM
John and Troy,

Sorry to hear about Linda. Thoughts and prayers for her.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on May 23, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
Sorry to hear that. Best wishes and thoughts going out to yall
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 13, 2018, 07:20:53 PM
Looks like my photos are back up:)
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 13, 2018, 09:59:26 PM
Desoto and Rev, thanks for the well wishes it’s a tough time right now.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 29, 2018, 01:26:26 AM
Some future plans discussed tonight: before we race again we need to pull the engine and replace all of the sleeves and pistons, pull the water tanks out and modify the tin underneath to creat more space for the panhard bar, replace rear brake system.  Hopefully we will race again next May!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 02, 2018, 05:42:35 PM
Some future plans discussed tonight: before we race again we need to pull the engine and replace all of the sleeves and pistons, pull the water tanks out and modify the tin underneath to creat more space for the panhard bar, replace rear brake system.  Hopefully we will race again next May!

  Maybe Nov? We got away from our original chassis tune because the sheet metal on the chassis was bottoming out on the panhard bar. there's adjustments on the shock mounts so we moved the shocks up + the spring platforms. this changed the set up to much + made the car to stiff. So by cutting the sheet metal to make space for the panhard bar we can get back to the original setup.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 21, 2018, 08:08:54 PM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222

  Rob...here's the videos. The 1st one is El Mirage, car hooks up and goes 152 mph in 10.2 sec. Then track turns bad which you can see from other video.

  Another year already :-o


  The second video shows the in car view of the 1st video, you can see the throttle on left of hood and how busy Troy's
hands are steering back and forth, saving a spin.
  Makes me think that faster steering would help.
 
  Hurry up EL NINO and flood the lakebed, so the 222 Camaro could make a full pass 8-)

           JL222

 I like to watch these videos, gets me inthused :-D

                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 21, 2018, 08:50:31 PM
The last two videos are the last until Monday where we will take some more.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcx2F6v4jog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcpyvs5na4

 Dyno results, more about dyno pulls around pgs 80-85 there abouts :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 21, 2018, 09:10:46 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 13, 2018, 09:08:56 PM


  Troy came out today and we worked on installing new  hat, rotor and caliper on left rear. Of course it didn't just bolt right up.

  Housing ends must not have been welded  in the exact spot and a bit angled. So not parallel with rotor. caliper would not install without grinding down mounting pads on caliper. Almost got it just a few more thou of shaving. Plenty of metal left.

  Hope other side goes better.

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 20, 2018, 07:53:03 PM
A few years back we noticed the panhard bar hitting the tin above it on the car, so we changed the shock position to help with clearance.  Ever since the car seemed to not handle as well.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/851DE8C7-9F65-4302-BAA6-23FD7665CC7F.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/851DE8C7-9F65-4302-BAA6-23FD7665CC7F.jpg.html)

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The last photo with the panhard sticking through is an over exaggeration of how far it will come up, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 20, 2018, 11:14:48 PM
  The intercooler water tank sits above the cut out tin, so we need to cut out the bottom of tank to match. Thinking about using Flex Seal.

   Clean up tin and repaint.

  Also found out why rotors were rubbing on disk brakes. Ford 9'' Axle slipping on bearing :-o

   JL222

          
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on October 20, 2018, 11:29:02 PM
I always tig tack the retaining ring. It's an old oval track trick.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 21, 2018, 12:53:53 AM
This is the axle that slip out a bit, must have happened during a spin at speedweek in 2017.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 21, 2018, 01:33:36 AM
I always tig tack the retaining ring. It's an old oval track trick.

Pete

  We need to do that. Thanks :cheers:

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on October 24, 2018, 01:13:41 PM
John,
With the talent that you guys have you should convert the rear end to full floating axles. Not really hard to do but it completely eliminates the brake drag problems you have experience that you have had and it is far stronger than the flanged axle set up.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on October 25, 2018, 12:49:10 PM
Tom suggested the same for my application.
Rex, in layman's terms how does the system work?.
Thanks and no hijack intended. :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Crackerman on October 25, 2018, 01:36:04 PM
The hub itsself is mounted via bearings on a tube type spindle that is an extension welded to the axle tube. The axle itsself slides through the tube, splines into the diff like normal, but then is bolted to the drive hub.

The axle itsself bears no weight of the vehicle.

Big 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.and vams have used this type.of axle for many years now.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 25, 2018, 03:33:49 PM
The hub itsself is mounted via bearings on a tube type spindle that is an extension welded to the axle tube. The axle itsself slides through the tube, splines into the diff like normal, but then is bolted to the drive hub.

The axle itsself bears no weight of the vehicle.

Big 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.and vams have used this type.of axle for many years now.


  That sounds quite involved. Seems like we would have to narrow the rear end, get new axles and wheels for wheel thread to be in same place. Also the axle stand out specs for brakes would require narrowing the rear end.

  Axles with new bearings pressed into place are ready to pick up. I mentioned tacking the retaining ring but they suggested a longer retaining ring. I'll know more in a few hours.

 Full floating axles reminds me of my brother Jimmy building a new [at that time early seventies] rear engined dragster, racer friends, ''you don't need full floating axles''.  Jimmy takes their advice but a few weeks later NHRA requires full floaters :roll:

 From the  above story I should have gone full floating from the start but forgot.

   Racer friends also said you don't want a rear engine dragster, you can't see if the tires are spinning.


                      JL222

 


   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Ron Gibson on October 25, 2018, 05:52:52 PM
I have seen doubled retaining collars in the long ago past.

Ron
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 25, 2018, 11:09:40 PM
I have seen doubled retaining collars in the long ago past.

Ron

 picked up the azles, new bearings,retainers and seals. I mentioned tack welding the retainers and he said ok but don't get carried away with the weld because the seal surface is right behind the bearing.

  i asked were the seal seated because we really didn't see much seal material when we took the axles out just part of the sealed bearing
cover which I didn't know what it was. Hey i'm learning a lot  :-D He showed me on a housing end what the seal register should look like.

 Any how after looking at our axle housing there is no place for a seal

 I'm guessing that when they narrowed the rear end it was a pain in the A$$ to install a seal seat.

 Never had any oil dripping on ground so they must rely on the sealed bearing to stop leakage?

  Also thinking about silicon on housing were bearing registers to stop any oil from leaking around there.

   So thinking about tacking the retaining ring. But he doesn't think it will happen again. He had never seen that happen.

   Business is called Fearless Gear  specializing in deferintuals.

                     JL222
       
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on October 26, 2018, 12:27:32 AM
Three very small tacks around each ring.  :-D :-D :-D

I don't remember a seal. Of course I'm getting old and my mind may be failing.  8-) 8-) 8-)

It used to be that there were weld on full floating conversions for stock rear end housings for use in late models and super stocks. I don't know if anyone's still making them.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 26, 2018, 01:10:09 AM
Three very small tacks around each ring.  :-D :-D :-D

I don't remember a seal. Of course I'm getting old and my mind may be failing.  8-) 8-) 8-)

It used to be that there were weld on full floating conversions for stock rear end housings for use in late models and super stocks. I don't know if anyone's still making them.

Pete

 thanks Peter :cheers:

            JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jacksoni on October 26, 2018, 08:10:38 AM
Doesn't Nascar use full floating rears?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Interested Observer on October 26, 2018, 08:43:25 AM
Just my opinion, but welding on what is likely a relatively high carbon axle is likely to introduce brittle microstructures and/or microcracks.  Not what you want to have in a location of highest and alternating stress.  And which is holding the wheel onto the vehicle.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on October 26, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
The Ford axles never break at that point. That's the heaviest area of the axle by far and I've never seen any evidence of cracking on either drag or oval track cars. Ford axles normally twist off in the splines where they enter the side gears.

I totally understand what you're saying IO but this seems to be one of those instances where what you might think is a stress riser doesn't seem to have any significance.

Yes Jack, NASCAR uses full floating axles as do many other organizations where the axles are subject to high side loads.

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 28, 2018, 12:48:39 AM
We completed a few things today.  We installed 450 lbs rear springs on the shocks and installed them.

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We also installed our axles, changed the gear oil and brakes. 

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The day wouldn't be complete unless we got a visitor from the wild.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 28, 2018, 09:31:47 PM
Today we repaired our large cold water tank that feeds our inter cooler.  We made some extra room for the panhard bar to move in extreme suspension compression.  At one time it did hit the tin above it.  Since we put our suspension back to the original position we didn't want it to hit again. Step one complete, next step is more water proofing.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 29, 2018, 12:30:00 AM

  Troy had a small can of flex seal given to him at a Bday party. He's thinkin what the hell am I going to do with this stuff?

  Going to use it tomorrow :-D  Probably start in inside over metal work and part of inside bottom, then over outside metal work if enough, but need to buy more at Home Depot to coat inside bottom and outside bottom. Then test for leaks :-P


            JL222



                       
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 01, 2018, 12:35:13 AM
  The pint of Flex Seal that Troy had did 2/3rds of inside bottom, had to buy a quart more to finish inside and out side bottom but it was easy to brush on with $1.95 throw away paint brushes. It looks great and flows out for a nice finish

 Bottom of tank was getting small holes eroding from water we got at the Salt flat gas station a few years back. We lost an intercooler
from that water also about 3yrs ago. Now we haul the water from here. Anyhow Flex Seal solved that problem :-D

 Troy can post pics when he comes out Sat.

 Rear disk brakes installed real easy once axle bearings were pressed into correct position.

      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 03, 2018, 10:47:08 PM
We are putting the rear compartment back together now.  We patched the hole in the tin with a pice of wet suit material that we glued down.  

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We made our water tank anchors much strong by using bolts rather than rivers.

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This is what flex seal looks like when cured, I was pretty skeptical before I saw what it looked like when it was finished.

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Now just a couple photos with the water tank back in the car and all bolted down with a fresh coat of paint on the wheel wells and some of the cage.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 04, 2018, 12:22:34 AM
  Troy's foto shows the flex seal on the outside bottom of intercooler tank, inside is also done and up the sides a couple of inches.

   We are also fitting a 2'' taller plate on top of spoiler.

      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 06, 2018, 11:11:25 PM
My dad and I are excited to be going to the final race at El Mirage next week end.  It's been a year since we raced and can't wait to see all of our racer friends.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 08, 2018, 12:16:54 AM
  Thinking about changing the 4 link bars to get more weight transfer, so spent a couple of hrs scaling the chassis.

  this is done by snapping a line on the floor along the side of body, marking wheel centers and distribution of weight on line

  then finding center of upper and lower bar locating holes and height of holes from ground and transferring measurements to line.

                                                       o  < center of gravity 17in  cam height


                     rear center           % of weight                                                            front    center
               --------o----------------------o-----------------------------------------------------------o--------  

                                                                            
                          o              o                                  o     approximate instant center not for any use
 hole heights>                          
                                            o  
                        o  
                          
  
            By snapping a long line, back to front where they intersect is the instant center.  Holes not to scale, just to show basic layout.

         And from there you can determine how the chassis will react,  By changing bar location you change how chassis reacts.

          I got all the measurements marked on the floor but Troy has to come out to help line up the marks.


                                  JL222
 


                                      

        

  
  


            
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 08, 2018, 03:54:43 PM
   Lines are snapped, going to try a shorter instant center by moving front of lower bar up one hole. More weight transfer at start and with additional 2 inches of height on rear spoiler more traction at speed.  We'll find out :-P

   Troy has pics to post of snapped lines showing intersecting lines which are the instant centers of various 4-link bar positions
   But pics may be hard to see.

                   JL222

  
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 08, 2018, 05:49:50 PM
First picture show the different intersecting lines and the second show my dad pointing to the original instant center with his right hand and where the new instant center will be with his left.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 18, 2018, 10:17:13 PM
We spent the day taking the motor out of the engine bay and taking it apart.

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We made sure that when we dial indicated the bell housing with the transmission that we put in dowel pins to keep the housing in the same place every time.

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Same photo but panned out and with our 3 disc clutch included.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 19, 2018, 12:41:12 PM
This photos shows one of our Owens transmissions with the hydraulic clutch still attached to it.

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Time to take this elephant apart!

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(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/727A7E1A-302B-4351-9E3C-811AAD0280C7.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/727A7E1A-302B-4351-9E3C-811AAD0280C7.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/7E420BDB-1737-4CD8-851D-2383ED8CFF06.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7E420BDB-1737-4CD8-851D-2383ED8CFF06.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/81A1D146-7AE2-4B3F-B806-999CD916F06A.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/81A1D146-7AE2-4B3F-B806-999CD916F06A.jpg.html)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/BFDE0153-E524-4DC9-AEDC-C9DC0B9A7385.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/BFDE0153-E524-4DC9-AEDC-C9DC0B9A7385.jpg.html)

She's all naked and lonely for a while :-o

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Some day after Thanksgiving we will take the cam and crank out.  Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: tauruck on November 19, 2018, 01:46:01 PM
Same to you and your family.
Thanks for livening up the forum. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 24, 2018, 06:12:51 PM
The block is now naked too! 

Cam is in a box and now I'm a bag to keep clean

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Taking the main caps off.

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Crank on a table until we bag it and set it on the ground.

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Half of the sleeves are out.

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Warming up the other side to help get these sum bitches out!

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All 8 are finally out and I need to catch my breath, less silicone next time.

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Time to clean, wish it was warmer.

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All clean and now I'm soaked and need a hot shower!

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 24, 2018, 06:41:56 PM

  Beer and burrito time, then Fresno St vs  San Jose St : and steaks at half time :-D

                       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: handyguy on November 24, 2018, 11:18:02 PM
IT must  be nice having all those main caps , I only have 2 , and I'm happy with those .. 1937 Austin engine in the '40 Bantam,,  STEVE
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 25, 2018, 01:23:33 AM
IT must  be nice having all those main caps , I only have 2 , and I'm happy with those .. 1937 Austin engine in the '40 Bantam,,  STEVE

Nice!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 25, 2018, 08:40:54 PM
Our process of installing our sleeves.  Of course we have to clean parts before installing.

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Putting them in the freezer helps them shrink just enough so the going in easier, just make sure you get all of the condensation off first before putting silicone around it.

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(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/Mobile%20Uploads/2A638DCE-49E2-4207-AEE2-6C0839B36BBD.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/bvillercrr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2A638DCE-49E2-4207-AEE2-6C0839B36BBD.jpg.html)

Installed

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The block is ready to get bored and honed as soon as the piston and rings come in.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 04, 2018, 04:27:34 PM

 It takes just as long or longer to cut away the excess silicon from the bottom of the sleeves as it does to apply and install the sleeves :roll:

  Troy did that and we worked on adding the 2'' on the spoiler for extra height. There is a slight radius in the piece we're
adding to so when there is a bend its not straight across. Theirs a 3/16'' gap in the middle when we lay the straight cut
piece where it belongs so we have to taper the ends. Never easy :roll:

                          JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on December 04, 2018, 09:38:08 PM
John, a guy I knew in the service, Orland Tolstoy Cox, had a favorite saying...
"nothing difficult is ever easy"  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 22, 2018, 07:13:58 PM
We started a new 2" extension piece above our existing rear spoiler.  The first try was just off so today we got the aluminum cut and shaped to our liking.  Now we just need to mount dismount and paint the piece and re install.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on December 22, 2018, 07:24:21 PM
That Photobucket watermark is awful!


Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 22, 2018, 08:13:02 PM
I think if you click on the photo it goes away.  It does for me on my phone.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on December 22, 2018, 09:24:53 PM
I think if you click on the photo it goes away.  It does for me on my phone.

On my computer if you click on the photo it sends you to photobucket website but watermark is proudly still blocking part of the picture.  :x
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 22, 2018, 10:50:31 PM
I think if you click on the photo it goes away.  It does for me on my phone.

On my computer if you click on the photo it sends you to photobucket website but watermark is proudly still blocking part of the picture.  :x

How do you post your photos?  I will try another way if i knew a better way, I usually post via my phone.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 23, 2018, 12:57:00 AM
 
 We also filled out and Emailed order forms for a Holley EFI Dominator unit, listed all the sensors, cable connections,

  injector sizes  oxy sensors, all the data stuff we want recorded ECT. Holley wants to make sure before final order.

  Find out more next week.

                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 23, 2018, 08:54:14 AM
Test post of a picture from my Photobucket album to see if there's a watermark:

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Well I'll be go to hell.  Why watermark on Langlo pics and not mine?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 23, 2018, 02:16:16 PM
Strange for sure :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on December 23, 2018, 02:29:49 PM
OK... Not really.... The proudly hosted watermark is now on photos for FREE accounts.... so Slim pays $50 a year minimum to be able to post pics without a watermark... So it is advertising covering the bandwidth charge....
Carry on... the watermark is not that bad now that we all know why it is there...
yes Martha, I googled it  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 23, 2018, 04:27:24 PM
So that's it.  Tanks, Stainless.  I've been paying P-bucket for years because I post so many pics that I wanted the storage space - and didn't realise that the new business model includes the watermark for free.  At least you can store and post pics cheap and easy.

Carry on, and Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 25, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
Good to know, thanks for the info.  Merry Christmas everyone.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 30, 2018, 02:06:24 PM

 We also filled out and Emailed order forms for a Holley EFI Dominator unit, listed all the sensors, cable connections,

  injector sizes  oxy sensors, all the data stuff we want recorded ECT. Holley wants to make sure before final order.

  Find out more next week.

                        JL222

  Dominator ECU and all the rest on the way :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on December 31, 2018, 04:49:30 PM
Glad to see you guys getting it back together.

Interested to see how the spoiler extension works out. I found that I really noticed the stability increase when I bumped up the angle of my rear wing.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 04, 2019, 11:52:35 PM
Glad to see you guys getting it back together.

Interested to see how the spoiler extension works out. I found that I really noticed the stability increase when I bumped up the angle of my rear wing.

  Yeah, we get unstable when we hid the marbles down course and spin the wheels, hope to get more downforce and traction from the extension. Marbles at EL Mirage and better overall traction and sooner petal to the metal at Bville

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 09, 2019, 01:49:54 AM

 The Holley EFI arrived late today 2 big boxes of parts and wiring. Troy is coming out tomorrow and we'll lay it out on the floor and take pics. Lots of wires to connect and figure out. :-P


               JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on January 10, 2019, 11:40:06 PM
You will love your Holley! Light years ahead of what you have been running.


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 11, 2019, 05:25:09 PM
You will love your Holley! Light years ahead of what you have been running.


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS

  I hope so, are you running one? Trying to figure out how to connect 32 wires from 16 injectors into 8 pins. The fAST unit had a Y connector and it seems that's what the Holley unit needs.

  I'll be calling Holley teck soon.

                                    jl222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 20, 2019, 12:09:33 AM
We got our pistons a couple days ago, just need to order rings.

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We got our new EFI system as well!  16-120lb injectors.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 29, 2019, 11:53:00 PM
You will love your Holley! Light years ahead of what you have been running.


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS

  I hope so, are you running one? Trying to figure out how to connect 32 wires from 16 injectors into 8 pins. The fAST unit had a Y connector and it seems that's what the Holley unit needs.

  I'll be calling Holley teck soon.

                                    jl222

  I changed the unterminated 16 injector make your own harness to two terminated 8 injector harness  and they are sending the connectors that I will be able to make a y connection to plug into the single connector on the main harness.
  Well almost, I will probably need to go to a shop in Fresno that has all this Weatherpac stuff to see if they have a connector i can plug in 20 pins down to 10. Our FAST efi does, but male and female ends are reversed so i can't
undo and use it. Other wise I can splice down to 10 wires but rather not.
EFI harnesses tue here next Tue.

 Block is at Steve Moody's AMS shop to be bored and honed.

          JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 09, 2019, 11:20:45 PM

  Went to Midterm Connectors and found out there are at least 3 different styles of weather pac connectors and pins
and each style has a certain strpper and clamp for the pins. And they didn't have the style or the conector we needed.
 Any how by stripping, soldering and using liquid tape we can double up one harness to the other and use the single harness to plug into the main harness.

 for instance take the  two wires that are for injector # 1 harness  an  splice into harness #2  injector #1 and so on down the line. :-P

                      JL222

                   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 15, 2019, 11:09:08 PM

    Steve Moody's shop bored and honed our block, filed the rings to fit, and we start assembly tomorrow.
   
                  jl222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 16, 2019, 08:50:44 PM
Didn't get much done today, we did lay out all of our new Holley components and connect all of the harnesses into the Dominator ECU just to see what goes where and what options we had left.  We did clean the bloc and the crank and installed the crank.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on February 16, 2019, 09:46:01 PM
Are you guys still planning on running gasoline?


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 16, 2019, 10:16:24 PM
Are you guys still planning on running gasoline?


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS

   Yeah, parts wash :-D... just undecided about the 16 120 lb injector and staging or not or 8 120 lb and 8 160 lb and staging when both start  flowing. Different wiring setup for staging. We thought we were going with connecting the 2 harnesses that we could do, but Steve says more control with with staging. And less plug fouling at idle. But Steve
has to wire it.

                  JL222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on February 16, 2019, 11:41:03 PM
Yeah, my vote would be for running V5 and staging the injectors for the same reasons mentioned. The V5 software has some changes that will ease the staging setup procedure.
Don’t be afraid to use the Holley forum. I got some good help from Danny Calabra who is one of the moderators. He’s a great resource.


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on February 16, 2019, 11:47:59 PM
If you go with the 120lb and 160lb you could run it on ethanol in the future.
I like ethanol. It makes really good power and has big tune window. I found it to be very forgiving.


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 17, 2019, 01:57:17 AM
Yeah, my vote would be for running V5 and staging the injectors for the same reasons mentioned. The V5 software has some changes that will ease the staging setup procedure.
Don’t be afraid to use the Holley forum. I got some good help from Danny Calabra who is one of the moderators. He’s a great resource.


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS

 We downloaded the v5 software on to the computer and laptop this morning.

                      JL222 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 18, 2019, 12:30:43 AM

  The day started off pretty cool it was snowing, unusual for here at 1000 ft
WE got the rods and rings on the new pistons and all ready to install in the block. Then we opened the new rod bearings and discovered they were way to small? They sent bearings for a big block chevy, not a 426 hemi :roll:. The mains were right and the writing on the box saying chevy was so small I couldn't read it without a magnifying glass.

                      JL222

   

 

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 18, 2019, 02:42:35 PM

  The day started off pretty cool it was snowing, unusual for here at 1000 ft
WE got the rods and rings on the new pistons and all ready to install in the block. Then we opened the new rod bearings and discovered they were way to small? They sent bearings for a big block chevy, not a 426 hemi :roll:. The mains were right and the writing on the box saying chevy was so small I couldn't read it without a magnifying glass.

                      JL222

  Good Vibrations Motorsports are shipping the correct rod bearings today with a return shipping label  :cheers:

                                          JL222

   

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 23, 2019, 09:32:08 PM
Had to modify my original post because I was told my photos were not properly posted.  So here's a second try :-D

Photos of our pistons and rods installed.

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Cam is placed and all a whole lot of studs installed.

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Timing the cam.

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Cam is timed and the balancer and magnetic pick up is complete.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on February 24, 2019, 04:17:22 PM
I have Hemi Envy!


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 24, 2019, 04:32:35 PM
Lapping exhaust valves seats are sooo much fun :roll:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on February 24, 2019, 08:52:14 PM
Hey, it can't be that hard... what are those things... about 2 inches.... try finding a lap stick that will fit one than is less than an inch....

Oh, keep up the good work... I know we all enjoy your project  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 24, 2019, 11:17:43 PM
Thanks Stainless!  I couldn't put the oil pan on yesterday because I had to wait for some silicone to dry that I put over two small bolts on the rear main seal.  The silicone was dry today so I could shave it down and put the pan on.

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We took the heads apart so we could check the valve and lap the seats.

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The exhaust seats are a bit smaller than the intakes. :-o

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Beer time.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 25, 2019, 02:28:28 AM
 
 We did get one head lapped in, spring height checked assembled and ready to install the, other head
heights checked and ready to lap. Working on that tomorrow. And hopefully installed Wedensdy.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: handyguy on February 25, 2019, 09:29:03 AM
Do you  do any type of sealing check on your valves after lapping ??  Like  some type of liquid  or a vacuum hold or leak down  and if so what percentage leakage is acceptable .  Are your seats done by 3 angle cut or stones ??  THANKS   STEVE
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 25, 2019, 12:15:08 PM
Do you  do any type of sealing check on your valves after lapping ??  Like  some type of liquid  or a vacuum hold or leak down  and if so what percentage leakage is acceptable .  Are your seats done by 3 angle cut or stones ??  THANKS   STEVE
3 angle cut and gasoline for leaks, outside the shop :- No leak down.

 3 angle on intakes only with narrow seats, Exhaust are Inconel with 3/8 stems and 85 thou on seats.

 It's a 2 angle on valves with back cut and seats are about 60 thou.

 Last head is lapped in and assembled and installing heads tomorrow.

         JL222

 


                          
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 28, 2019, 12:04:05 AM
This first photo shows where we put the high temp RTV silicone.

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We also duplicate the same areas of silicone on top of the copper gasket.

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Heads are torqued

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And lastly the manifold.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltwheels262 on February 28, 2019, 06:17:39 AM
Very nice work. Looks good.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 01, 2019, 12:52:20 AM

  Crazy.... I ordered some valve cover gaskets Monday and got email today with USPS tracking #, says delivered and left behind fronT gate [which was open, too hurried to drive 800 ft to house] at 9:27 Am Wed. I left at 10:35 Wed not knowing about so called delivery but no package was there. I got back about 12:30, no package really not expecting it yet. So today I checked tracking and they say out for delivery :? How could it be out for delivery if it had already been delivered? Any how I left again thinking I would have to report a porch pirate theft, stopped at my mailbox [ several
boxes of steel with big boxes for packages, they leave a key in your box with # to open big box] anyhow package was there :roll:

 But wait there's more.... I didn't like the looks of the gaskets. I tried to order the normal Fel=Pro gaskets thru Summitt but no listing for any hemi.

 Ok so I looked up FELL-Pro site got #  which I had lost went to Summitt site put in # and they had it.

But searching for it shows no valve cover gaskets for 426 hemi?

  Being shipped

                      JL222  bEER TIME.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 09, 2019, 01:04:49 AM

  We started to adjust the valves and had a problem with a couple of adjusters. Over the years we've ended up with
3 different makes so I finally figured out to contact Manton pushrods they make good ones out of tool steel the right
length with hole in center, Expensive little devils but should last a long time.

 Got the valves adjusted and after fixing a slow leak from an oil drain back fitting on cover, I got the valve covers installed

 Install flywheel, clutch, bellhousing and first unit of Owens trans and engine will be ready to install.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 14, 2019, 08:22:04 AM

  4 am... had nightmare about coming across female relative and friends driving my new truck so  blitzed they would wreck it in the next 10 ft. Anyhow couldn't go back to sleep,so Beer and left over pizza :-D

  Troy pressure washed the engine bay, midplate and bellhousing yesterday and we washed the car..

  We also made up a timing indicator that mounts on the block and goes across the timing marks on the dampener
installed spark plug tubes and warmup plugs.

 New paint in engine bay and installing clutch and bellhousing next.

      JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 19, 2019, 02:11:58 AM
 
  Troy painted the engine bay and trans covers Sat and i worked on a timing pointer and polishing fuel rails.

  Met with Steve Moody today going over EFI stuff . need to order 160 lb injectors, an injector driver module,and make up
a couple of injector looms.

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 28, 2019, 03:25:25 AM
 
 Engine was ready to go yesterday, new painted dash with ECU mounted and installed. All we needed to do was adjust a few fingers on the clutch mount the bellhousing and starter and install the first unit of the Owens trans. Yeah right :roll:

 The clutch fingers require a 1/4 in gap between the fingers and hat. we would set the gap but it would get closer with
final tightening pain in ass. finally got fingers set, bell housing on and starter adjusted.

  But the trans would not slide into all three clutch disk  :?  I had purchased a clutch alignment tool for inserting into flywheel and the three disk before tightening the clutch. Work great slid in and out no problem, But trans would not go in. So we took out the input shaft on the Owens [ like we usually did but a pain because we have to take the hydraulic
throwout apart] did that and input shaft would not slide in. :x

  Bellhousing and starter need to come back off clutch loosened, Owens input shaft inserted and clutch tighten .

   JL222

  PS troy applied Dawn dishwashing soap to inside sidewalls of our FAT tires to stop slow air leaks. Hope it works it's
supposed to.


 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ggl205 on March 28, 2019, 01:33:40 PM
" PS troy applied Dawn dishwashing soap to inside sidewalls of our FAT tires to stop slow air leaks. Hope it works it's
supposed to."

If not, try TireJect. It is NOT green slime but rather a watery fluid that finds its way to small leaks and seals them. Clean up is easy, even when it comes to changing a tire. I use it on my autos and will seal my front LSR tires with it too (small leaks at the two wheel halves).

John
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 28, 2019, 08:39:01 PM
" PS troy applied Dawn dishwashing soap to inside sidewalls of our FAT tires to stop slow air leaks. Hope it works it's
supposed to."

If not, try TireJect. It is NOT green slime but rather a watery fluid that finds its way to small leaks and seals them. Clean up is easy, even when it comes to changing a tire. I use it on my autos and will seal my front LSR tires with it too (small leaks at the two wheel halves).

John

 

   Thanks John  :-)  Were do you buy it?  We still need to seal our tires that we use  at El Mirage.

   Clutch and disk are aligned, bellhousing ,starter, and trans on and engine is IN,  :-D

                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 29, 2019, 04:24:02 AM
" PS troy applied Dawn dishwashing soap to inside sidewalls of our FAT tires to stop slow air leaks. Hope it works it's
supposed to."

If not, try TireJect. It is NOT green slime but rather a watery fluid that finds its way to small leaks and seals them. Clean up is easy, even when it comes to changing a tire. I use it on my autos and will seal my front LSR tires with it too (small leaks at the two wheel halves).

John

 

   Thanks John  :-)  Were do you buy it?  We still need to seal our tires that we use  at El Mirage.

   Clutch and disk are aligned, bellhousing ,starter, and trans on and engine is IN,  :-D

                   JL222

   found it on the the internet  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 30, 2019, 11:19:07 PM
Sorry I'm a little behind on the photos.  I'll try and catch up here.

120lb injectors on the bottom and 160s on top.

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More fresh paint and we mounted our new Holley Dominator EFI.

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Clutch installed and adjusting the fingers, what a pain!!

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 30, 2019, 11:27:37 PM
Bell housing and first trans mission is on an now the motor is ready to go in.

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Oil and water lines attached.

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We need to pair up the TPS from the Dominator to the connector of the FAST so we had to do some splicing.

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Liquid tape first then electrical tape on each individual and more over the bundle.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 30, 2019, 11:49:05 PM
We had to take the first transmission off today because we had a leak in the hydraulic clutch.  I don't think this O-Ring looks right :-o

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We installed the new shaft that connects the crank to the Procharger.  Now we just need to take the whole blower assembly to Brad Bosworth to weld the blower hub to the end of the shaft.

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These dirty headers are in need of a serious cleaning and redcoat.  Going to be dropped off to Caps for a little make up.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 07, 2019, 02:33:22 AM

 Throwout bearing is repaired and ist trans installed after a battle but finally got her in then bolted up the other two trans with overdrive and the driveshaft installed.

  Blower hub welded tomorrow. Then back to shop and blower assembly installed. [hope so] :-)

        JL222

                       
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 07, 2019, 09:10:55 PM
Photos of today's progress.

The blower plate resting on Brad Bosworths' welding table.

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Blower plate installed quicker than normal.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 09, 2019, 10:02:15 PM

 Headers look really good, ceramic chrome coat. Just waiting on 90 tooth pulley from RCD and engine is finished :-)

  Next EFI hook up.

                  JL22
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 14, 2019, 12:05:37 AM
Today we got a few things done.  We got the ballistic blankets over the transmissions so tomorrow we will button up the tunnel covers.

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We cleaned up the blower tubes and will install those tomorrow as well.  We got our headers back and they look great!

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 14, 2019, 08:22:51 PM

  The best news is I got reservations at the Nugget hotel for Speed Week :cheers: No camping at the bend :-)

  I was complaining to Troy that i could never talk directly with the hotels, always through Expedia ECT, Did i try the hotel numbers in the rule book? No duh. Tried them got reservations..

 Most fuel lines and blower tubes cleaned and installed today just waiting for a blower pulley and  some wiring hook up for the other two.

                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ggl205 on April 14, 2019, 09:30:59 PM
" PS troy applied Dawn dishwashing soap to inside sidewalls of our FAT tires to stop slow air leaks. Hope it works it's
supposed to."

If not, try TireJect. It is NOT green slime but rather a watery fluid that finds its way to small leaks and seals them. Clean up is easy, even when it comes to changing a tire. I use it on my autos and will seal my front LSR tires with it too (small leaks at the two wheel halves).

John

 

   Thanks John  :-)  Were do you buy it?  We still need to seal our tires that we use  at El Mirage.

   Clutch and disk are aligned, bellhousing ,starter, and trans on and engine is IN,  :-D

                   JL222

   found it on the the internet  :cheers:

Yep, that is where I got mine.

John
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 15, 2019, 01:51:30 AM

  The best news is I got reservations at the Nugget hotel for Speed Week :cheers: No camping at the bend :-)

  I was complaining to Troy that i could never talk directly with the hotels, always through Expedia ECT, Did i try the hotel numbers in the rule book? No duh. Tried them got reservations..

 Most fuel lines and blower tubes cleaned and installed today just waiting for a blower pulley and  some wiring hook up for the other two.

                      JL222

 Also trans covers were installed and a little touch up paint.
 Checked that transmissions were shifting [triggered by 3 toggle switches on steering wheel]

                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 15, 2019, 10:03:02 PM
Trans covers are on and the inside is complete.

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Fuel lines and blower intake and tubes are connected.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 21, 2019, 11:20:44 AM
One step forward and two steps back is common while working on race cars.  Last Year we didn't race but we needed to get our fire bottle certified to race this year.  One of our bottles needed to be replaced and we found out yesterday the new bottle was a little bigger which means more fab work.

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Date of cert...

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Grind time...

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O2 sensors installed

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Not shown is one of our temperature sensors that we had to drill and tap an old bung to fit the new diameter sensor.  I'll get a photo of it today.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 22, 2019, 09:11:06 PM
As you look at the photo, the bottom bung was the same height and inside diameter as the top bung.  We had to cut the height in half and drill to 9/16 and tap to fit the new air temperature sensor.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 26, 2019, 08:35:36 PM
 
  90 tooth bottom blower pulley arrived, 7-10 days was 23 :roll:

 Now we can install it and the gas tank, hook up the fuel lines and test for leaks :-)

 Next thE EFI main harness to all the sensors.

  Then add 18 qts Valvoline 60 wt, spin the motor and see if we have pressure.

  Better add water and check for leaks Before adding oil,

  Efi has to be loaded with lots of info before starting we can do some but not all, need to learn.

                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 28, 2019, 10:02:49 PM
 
 installed pulley, spins perfect  :-) installed gas tank and remaining gas lines, stripped, soldered and shrink wrap the wires that go from ECU to battery. Snaked the Maddussa like main harness through the firewall and plugged in some of the sensors.

  Need a different  MAP sensor '' manifold air pressure'' but found out Summit Racing has Holly products.

  Usually here next day.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 29, 2019, 09:10:08 PM
New pulley.

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Gas tank and fuel lines

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The main brain

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Battery power to the Dominator

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Full frontal

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 04, 2019, 11:56:56 PM
It's the little things that take the longest.  We filled the engine with oil and cranked her over until we got 45+ lbs of pressure.   Then we had some splicing of wires to put the proper connectors to the MAP sensor and the crank sensor, then extend the length of the MAT sensor and a CT sensor.

MAP sensor

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MAT sensor

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Fuel pressure and MAP sensor

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 09, 2019, 09:20:24 PM
 
   We're getting there, we had to extend the length of the water tenp sensor wires strip 2 wires at each end 8 strips
twist together, solder, apply liquid tape, let dry, then electrical tape and put inside a harness [ extra harness material sent with sensors]. Same drill on magnetic sensor wires. We had to use the end off the F.A.S.T harness  to match up. FAST uses black and red wires, simple, black ground red hot, Holley weird colors so we have to go the computer, look up the wire diagram
to see what colors are what :roll:  Anyhow all sensors hooked up zip tied and main harness and plug ends tucked inside of firewall which should cut down the corrosion problem we had before from washing the dust or salt off the engine.

 We also mounted some older Bville tires for the dyno, Saving the good ones for Bville :-D

   JL222

   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on May 10, 2019, 11:16:12 AM
That full frontal pic is something else. Thanks for all the pics and details, best of luck this season. -Dean
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 12, 2019, 07:26:50 PM
Video 1, just a short pull.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

                I like to watch and post these every year or so.

  the exhaust sound vibrated the room so much it was shaking the plugs out of the plywood
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 12, 2019, 07:30:05 PM
The last two videos are the last until Monday where we will take some more. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcx2F6v4jog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcpyvs5na4

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 12, 2019, 10:04:25 PM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222

  Rob...here's the videos. The 1st one is El Mirage, car hooks up and goes 152 mph in 10.2 sec. Then track turns bad which you can see from other video.

  Another year already :-o

 Another 2 years  :-P Happy New year every body :cheers:

  IT'S been 3 years  :-o

   jl222

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 13, 2019, 03:30:33 PM
How many drinks can you make with 100 # of ice?

Just turn the data recorders on before u start mixing.

That's serious drinkin'.

FREUD

We could fit a lot in our cooler if we wanted to, but we only had two left. :? 

We were messing around and were going to put two beers in our intercooler if we switched to a fuel class to say we ran alcohol, we changed our mind and did it while we were running gas.  Maybe we can get a Keystone sponsorship?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHwPXqr0h0

  Kennedy...'' last 2 beers i'm outa here''  :-D

               JL222

  One more
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2019, 10:42:24 PM
Slowly inching closer to completion.  We got new parachute packs and replaced one pilot chute.

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We also are finishing up the wiring of the Dominator unit and the second injector module.  We had to search our switched ignition wire to connect the Dominator main harness to that switch.
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We also made two different chassis ground for the Dominator EFI.  No photo to share.  We are getting very close now.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on May 18, 2019, 10:47:52 PM
How are you liking that Holley Dominator so far?


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2019, 11:31:26 PM
We haven't programmed anything yet.  We need to take it to AMS in Fresno so they can set all the correct parameters and then dyno tune it.  After that we can hopefully tune it ourselves.   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 19, 2019, 02:46:21 AM
How are you liking that Holley Dominator so far?


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS

  Hi Rob....A little frustrated with info on wiring some of the loose wires on the main loom. Video says consult instruction manual, teck says ECU doesn't come with a manual info is looked up in software. Our F.A.S.T ECU loom had a plug in to our
MSD distributor, tech says Holley ECU doesn't hook up to distributor if magnetic pickup is used,
 Just need to connect two more wires, the white and maybe the yellow, and then were ready to program.

                 JL222






       
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 19, 2019, 12:20:04 PM
How are you liking that Holley Dominator so far?


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS

  Hi Rob....A little frustrated with info on wiring some of the loose wires on the main loom. Video says consult instruction manual, teck says ECU doesn't come with a manual info is looked up in software. Our F.A.S.T ECU loom had a plug in to our
MSD distributor, tech says Holley ECU doesn't hook up to distributor if magnetic pickup is used,
 Just need to connect two more wires, the white and maybe the yellow, and then were ready to program.

                 JL222






       

  Forgot that we have to wire the injector module that we had to buy to stage the 2 set of 8 injectors. The hot and ground
is wired but the injectors have to be pinned to a plug. Several ways to pin it and hope to see Moody this week.and hook up
those injector ends to the injectors.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on May 19, 2019, 12:26:49 PM
Pm sent


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on May 19, 2019, 12:28:05 PM
Holley does have a very good users forum that has been very useful to me.
Danny Calebra is da man.


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 15, 2019, 10:45:54 AM
We added gas to our system to test for leaks and it was Niagra falls through out the system. So we had to modify.

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A few things going on with our new injectors.  The base of the new injectors are slightly larger than the old ones which prevent the new ones from sitting low enough into the manifold which meant the top of the o-ring was into the fuel galley of the rail. So we took a sanding tool on the lower injector seats and reamed it out just enough so the new inject would sit lower in the manifold.  Similar deal with the upper rail, so we made brackets to keep the injecto from going to far into the rail.  We found out after we installed the brackets that injector have a groove at the top for an E clip for that exact situation:). We never claimed we know everything, but we sure learn the slow way.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 15, 2019, 11:00:32 AM
After a couple days of messing around we got the manifold back on and ready to test again.

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This time all of the lower injectors were good, but we had one on top the still leaked!  After messing around trying to adjust and fix nothing changed so I took off that rail and found this.

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Not sure when this happened or who did this but it was like this since we changed to EFI.  We filled these scars with epoxy and sanded smooth.  Installed the rail again and tested the system up to almost 60psi and no leaks.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 15, 2019, 10:31:42 PM
Still catching up here, we changed our 4 link a little bit.  We raised the lower bar up one hole.  Hopefully this will improve our traction some.

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We filled our inter cooler tank and circulated the water to make sure we didn't have any leaks after we coated the tank.  All is good there too.

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Finally have her on the ground for the first time in a long time!!

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We will load her up in the trailer tomorrow and take her down to AMS, Steve Moody's place hopefully early next week for wiring and dyno time.

Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on June 16, 2019, 02:40:52 PM
Looking good guys!


Rob Freyvogel
#496
AA/BFS
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on June 18, 2019, 01:01:33 PM
Did you make Vroom Vroom noises?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 18, 2019, 08:10:15 PM
We are still waiting to take the car down for final wiring.  Their shop is a little full right now.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 22, 2019, 04:04:34 PM
We took the car to AMS on Friday afternoon, not sure how long the wiring will take but we will keep updating progress.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 26, 2019, 11:52:42 AM

  AMS is also setting up the fuel map ECT.

  Interring data logging info such as O2 correction %  manifold psi, temp before and after intercooler, Actual A/F ratio, TPS, Rpm and mph, maybe.

 Then it's DYNO time :-D

  Should be getting close to startup, checking later today.

            JL222
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on June 26, 2019, 12:40:18 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 03, 2019, 04:46:59 PM
 
 Checked on progress at Moody's  this morning, Lance is doing all the wiring and is almost done, then fires up the ECU for all the data log inputs. Done Friday, dyno next week :-)

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 03, 2019, 06:27:00 PM
Give us some video of the dyno runs if possible. The last one was fantastic!!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 10, 2019, 09:03:21 PM
  Steve thought we should have a cam sync so we could have sequential fuel injection and individual cyls could be adjusted. To late for the cam but he's doing it through the distributor.
 Should be ready for dyno tomorrow and videos :-D

         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 11, 2019, 08:50:21 AM
You're spitting 4 gal/minute of fuel in there and want sequential for fine tuning - I love your optimism :) Hahaha jk. It's always good to have more options. I have a dual sync distributor which I just used to run the oil pump but will hook it up now to run individual could so I'm right with you.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 11, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
Just a few things to finish up and we will be making some noise soon!!

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 11, 2019, 09:41:14 PM

  Quite a few adjustments, :-) first an injector wa stuck open, wire in wrong spot. tack not working forgot it was hooked into gage switch :-P then no power to injectors and no spark all that fixed then no fuel
pressure, pump not pushed into hex drive off cam :roll:
  Got everything fixed and she fired right up. No dyno yet but back tomorrow.
Cam sync installed in distributor has a led light mounted on side of distributor come on every time past #1
   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 11, 2019, 11:20:34 PM
Just a hand held cell phone video for now.   First start up with our new EFI.

https://youtu.be/uB33yDfsboE
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 13, 2019, 06:20:04 PM
sounds good! let's see some dyno vids!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2019, 11:34:36 PM
We have not made any pulls yet.  We had to order a new cam distributor gear because it was worn out and we didn't notice it but AMS did.  Gear should be here on Monday and hopefully we will make some pulls on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 16, 2019, 10:13:10 PM
The rear end was leaking oil on the dyno and Steve rightfully so didn't want to run it on there until the leak was fix.  So she is back home for about a week until Steve gets back from Kentucky.

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You can see the leak below the yolk.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 17, 2019, 04:49:44 AM
  Well it's hard to see the leak but we needed to replace the seal.We couldn't get it out without taking off the hole seal assembly, then we could knock it out. A lot going on with spacers and bearings when you do that. But we should be able to reassemble it.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 17, 2019, 08:31:11 PM
 
 Troy went over to Fearless Gear for a seal and after talking decided to have them install the seal, the big inside O ring , and torque to specs.

 To them this morning picked up this afternoon.

Install Fri or Sat.

         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 19, 2019, 08:53:59 AM
Always those goofy little things that throw you back.  Looking forward to hearing noises.

Is that a driveshaft speed sensor? or torque sensor?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 19, 2019, 12:31:30 PM

 It was a driveshaft sensor that caught fire and never worked. We hooked it up pointing the end of the sensor to the magnetic sensor on the pinion shaft. But for some odd reason ( probably programed backwards) the sensor end was supposed to be pointing away from the magnetic pickup and the wires pointing to it. Bunch of crap.

  See you there :cheers:

          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 21, 2019, 01:45:07 AM
 
  Pinion holder with new seals installed Friday.
  Started our generator to check ok and to see if it would run the welder.
  Welded a broken brace on front body
  loaded generator and welder in trailer then loaded car to take back to AMS next Wed.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 23, 2019, 09:28:48 PM
All loaded up and ready to deliver to AMS tomorrow around noon.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 27, 2019, 09:11:20 PM
The car is back at AMS for a little distributor modification and then hopefully on the dyno by Monday.

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My PPG counter part in the automotive division helping us out on repainting our front end.

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Had to do a primer filler coat on the repaired area first.

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A few red primer coats.

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And a few red paint coats.

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And finally a few clear coats.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on July 27, 2019, 09:49:01 PM
Nice!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 01, 2019, 01:17:10 PM
Any progress updates to share?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 02, 2019, 10:50:22 AM
  Yeah... the #1 cyl was pumping oil so we brought the car home took off the head and #1 piston looked brand new [which it was] head and piston was clean, Not firing, no soot. pulled the pan, took out the piston everything looked like new. Checked the ring gap and OK. Put on new rings and put engine together.
 The most time consuming was the intake manifold with 16 injector wires threaded up between the ports.

 The cause, I think it was a fouled plug. I wasn't there to check and change but plug was fouled when we took it out at home :roll: But for some reason #1 spark plug hole was hard to turn all the way in and could have been to far out of chamber to light. Chasing the treads at AMS today.

 We also replaced our #2 ground and hot wires with new #2. 25 ft rolls of black and red with not much left over. Troy crimped, soldered and shrink wrapped the new connectors.

 started wed afternoon and finished up last night. Just a couple connections this morning and back
to AMS.

 We new something was wrong because we wern't  thrashing.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 02, 2019, 11:00:18 AM
John and Troy,
Some once said " Work expands to fill the time allotted." He must have been a salt racer!

Doing the same at the Schimmer shop but we will be there and looking forward to seeing you guys!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on August 02, 2019, 11:48:58 AM
John and Troy,
Some once said " Work expands to fill the time allotted." He must have been a salt racer!

Doing the same at the Schimmer shop but we will be there and looking forward to seeing you guys!

Rex

Actually I think a salt racer would say work expands to exceed the time allotted  :?  :roll:
Looking good guys...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jacksoni on August 02, 2019, 12:03:21 PM
John and Troy,
Some once said " Work expands to fill the time allotted." He must have been a salt racer!

Doing the same at the Schimmer shop but we will be there and looking forward to seeing you guys!

Rex

Actually I think a salt racer would say work expands to exceed the time allotted  :?  :roll:
Looking good guys...  :cheers:
What he said!! :cry:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 02, 2019, 12:48:30 PM
...and salt expands the metal allotted...
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2019, 12:39:59 AM
I have a bunch of photos to catch up on and a few bitchen videos on the dyno.  I will post these tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2019, 11:07:41 AM
You have heard most of the story so I will add new info when needed.  These few photos I have are of our disassembly of our motor.

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Showing cylinder one, no problems there.

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The initial thought for the oil getting by the rings would be that the top two rings had the ring gap in the same position.  The photos shows that it wasn't.  We changed the rings anyway and made sure they were 180* from each other.

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You can clearly see the one cylinder not firing.

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Back together.

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Once we got the engine assembled we worked on some new battery cables.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2019, 11:28:01 AM
We brought the car back to AMS and we had some problems starting the engine so Steve wanted to rotate the magnetic wheel so we could get the timing closer.  In order to do that we had to take the blower assembly out of the car.  Luckily AMS had a rotating automatic hoist  so we could lift the blower plate out.  Brandon Carter from the Got Salt crew stopped by and helped us get it out.  Thanks for the help Brandon!  Once we got the wheel changed we started it up un blown so we could get the timing correct. Then the car was strapped to the dyno.

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We did a few base tune low boost runs first

https://youtu.be/vf8vUSbcCcQ
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2019, 11:45:10 AM
Still taking small steps in the tune and boost level. This next video was 24lbs of boost.

https://youtu.be/41mVzi-6JaE

This next video was a little more boost but a little rich.

https://youtu.be/jWTQzNe8l-w

This last videos we got close to 34lbs I'd boost and the computer shut down so we didn't get any numbers on our last run.  We did get data from the Dominator and we are satisfied with our tune and will tune for the salt when we get there.  By the way, my dad did a great job taking videos on my phone, on this last one, someone responded to one of my Facebook post just when he started to video so the very beginning was cut off, but you still get to see the best part.

https://youtu.be/tKxwjGVIEu4
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 04, 2019, 12:31:35 PM
 You can see by videos of the floor that I need some tuning on videoing.

 The 2nd run was 2042 rear wheel hp at a little less than 50% throttle :-D

  I think Troy has a video of the printout.

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2019, 12:55:10 PM
Here's the Dyno #s for that pull.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 06, 2019, 06:34:05 PM
 
  Steve wanted one last dyno run Monday for more data. And it was scary loud. Never seen it go up in rpms so fast. Everyone was wide eyed. Like shaking the house down.
 Hopefully Troy has time to post the video before we leave tomorrow morning

 Truck, trailer and car all loaded and ready to go, By 5:30 am.

                       JL222   


 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2019, 10:14:39 AM
We try to give you all of our detailed information about our build good or bad as often as we can.  We have been thrashing the last two weeks with very positive results.

Update:

We decided to get new shoes and rims for the trailer so we wouldn't have any problems towing to Bonneville.

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All cleaned up, the front end paint job looks great with a freshly washed car.  Lol

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All loaded up and heading to Bonneville now!

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When we get to the salt we need to go over the car and check for loose bolts, change out one water gauge and a couple electronic push buttons.  Torque one head and set the lash and we will be ready to race!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 07, 2019, 01:13:02 PM
Congrats on the thrash! I'm still in the middle of mine. See you there!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2019, 03:17:14 PM
This was our last dyno pull on Monday.  We didn't know we were going to make one that day.  The shop was having difficulty getting the data logger to record and while they were waiting on tech support I got in touch with Scott Clark who eventually ended up doing a remote check and tune adjustment.  So after everything checked out Steve at AMS wanted to make another dyno hit.  The video is just over a minute, I had do warm the engine, trans and rear end up a little before the I could mash the throttle.  As Steve walks away from the car the engine is at 3k and I take it 7k rear quick.  Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/QEcEtaNQdS8
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 22, 2019, 10:01:15 PM
 After waiting in line for a full day and watching Speed Demon make 2 passes we left the car inline and were 66th in line. Watching several cars spin or abort, I now no why for sure. Hey I had to try it. I got to the right side of the course, already lined up there, and was told nobody was going within 30 ft of the markers. Took off, light on throttle short shifted into 3rd but track was bumpy and loose, car had mind of its own hit a 3/4 mile foam marker got back on course and shut down. 92mph :-D

 Also after BNI moving all the courses there was no blue line on right side of course.

 Several cars did not even try. Smart move.

  No trailer flats this year and no Tequila left :cheers:

              JL222



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 02, 2019, 06:31:11 PM
This was our last dyno pull on Monday.  We didn't know we were going to make one that day.  The shop was having difficulty getting the data logger to record and while they were waiting on tech support I got in touch with Scott Clark who eventually ended up doing a remote check and tune adjustment.  So after everything checked out Steve at AMS wanted to make another dyno hit.  The video is just over a minute, I had do warm the engine, trans and rear end up a little before the I could mash the throttle.  As Steve walks away from the car the engine is at 3k and I take it 7k rear quick.  Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/QEcEtaNQdS8

 After figuring out that data logger was set up to automatically record every startup, we booted the dyno run above up. Went from  3200 rpm to 7000 and no boost to 34.8 psi in one second.

 Troy got off the throttle at 7000.

         jl222

     
   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2019, 02:48:21 PM
 
 We usually don't run El Mirage in October because it's only a one day meet but the way the weather has been it could rain out the Nov meet.

 Ordered new Simson seat belts but attachmeht with adjuster at floorboard was to short to go
thru seat holes. So ordered from Shroud, looks OK.

 We want to sipe our Goodyear D2291 tires for El Mirage to get more traction But want new ones to make sure we have Bville tires.
 Then panic attack, our 300 mph Goodyear D2291 tires were no longer listed under Land speed tires :-o But a call to Goodyear informed me that it had been replaced with #D2932 same rating.
 Ordered 2 today  $235  :-D

              JL222   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 10, 2019, 12:21:56 AM
 Not making OCT meet.

  The tires we were going to sipe had always lost pressure after a few hrs and we had to put
more pressure in one to make the circumference the same. So we blew up the smaller tire with a bunch more pressure to stretch it out. Then it really leaked.
 
  So we mounted the new tires BUT they were wobbling on the balance mahine so much the operator called me over to have a look.

  Mounted tires on car back at shop, set up a dial indicator on tires and one was .110 thou out and the other .70 and took videos

 Called Carroll Shelby tires , Goodyear dealer in Vegas, said it happens sometimes. Sending new ones but from Ohio.

 No BS and no charge but getting here to late

        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 20, 2019, 07:52:56 PM
 
  Replacement tires arrived Thur and mounted and balanced Friday

 The guy said he would come and get me when balancing but after waiting a long time I stepped outside and they were already done, never came and got me. Balancer said they looked fine.
    We'll put them on the race car tomorrow and spin them under power to check.

 Then start siping for traction for Nov El Mirage

                     JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 28, 2019, 05:32:36 PM
 Installed tires on car and still have a wobble but better than first set, gheez.

 We went ahead and siped them. Troy did, i did some needed cleaning on shop counter.
 We added two more sipe cuts around the tire which gives us 7 instead of 5 and makes it much more
blocky.
 Troy has pics just has to post them.

 we have also made adjustment on the 4 link and soffend the rear shock for (hopefully) more traction.

 Were all ready for Nov El Mirage except for a new water temp gage coming tomorrow.

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 02, 2019, 11:50:10 PM

 New gage in, car in trailer all washed up and truck loaded.

 All set to for El Mirage next weekend.
 
 Troy has pics but trouble loading on Utube.

       JL222
           
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 12, 2019, 12:43:26 PM

 The Good Bad & Ugly

 The good after push start to about 25 mph 1st gear shift 5585 rpm 1.6 sec 100 mph

 2nd gear shift @ 6814 rpm 7.5 sec 172.3 rpm

 3rd gear max rpm 5904 12.5 sec 201 mph then loose track until shift into 4th gear and still loose

  Timed at 179 mph

 That 172 mph speed beats our previous 170 speed by 3 sec,  Our 4 link,shock and spoiler mods
 worked.

   The Bad. As usual the track goes away and we can't hook up.

    Dust inside so bad Troy couldn't see very well.

  The Ugly.  Never seen the dust so thick on the back of the car which could have been from the groveing on the tires but the engine had the most dust I've ever seen.

  The weather was beautiful no wind and guessing 70 to 75 deg

          JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on November 13, 2019, 11:02:14 AM
After replacing all the door and hatch "gaskets", even taping the doors and hatch shut, here's how Steve Batchelor solved the dust problem . . .
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 13, 2019, 05:03:22 PM
After replacing all the door and hatch "gaskets", even taping the doors and hatch shut, here's how Steve Batchelor solved the dust problem . . .

  Thanks... I knew Steve had a problem with dust and fixed it with  some type of scoop and i wanted to
do the same. thanks again. Hey you reading my mind :-D

            JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on November 14, 2019, 10:05:30 AM
Hey, another Good thing - all engine parts stayed where they were supposed to!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 17, 2019, 04:38:26 PM

 The Good Bad & Ugly

 The good after push start to about 25 mph 1st gear shift 5585 rpm 1.6 sec 100 mph

 2nd gear shift @ 6814 rpm 7.5 sec 172.3 rpm

 3rd gear max rpm 5904 12.5 sec 201 mph then loose track until shift into 4th gear and still loose

  Timed at 179 mph

 That 172 mph speed beats our previous 170 speed by 3 sec,  Our 4 link,shock and spoiler mods
 worked.

   The Bad. As usual the track goes away and we can't hook up.

    Dust inside so bad Troy couldn't see very well.

  The Ugly.  Never seen the dust so thick on the back of the car which could have been from the groveing on the tires but the engine had the most dust I've ever seen.

  The weather was beautiful no wind and guessing 70 to 75 deg

          JL222
[/quote

 Upon further review :-P

 Troy and I were going over saturdays data log I said you should shift to 4th when you get loose.I thought he was in third gear until shifting near the end. Troy said I did shift into 4th right after 3rd he said it [transmission] was slow shifting not that he was slow shifting into high.

 So data log shows a steady climb to 5426 rpm in 4th gear and 238=240 mph after backing off with
10 sec to finish line.

  If we ever can hook up to the end  :-o

                   JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 25, 2019, 06:43:34 PM
After replacing all the door and hatch "gaskets", even taping the doors and hatch shut, here's how Steve Batchelor solved the dust problem . . .

 Thanks again Jim... do you know where Steve found that scoop?

 Anyone know where to find small scoops?

 Ordered new door weather stripping today From RockAuto.com.

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on November 25, 2019, 07:35:14 PM
He made it.  I'll see if I can find a better picture of it. 

I think it's all about equalizing the pressure in and out.  With our roadster, I had a windshield the first time I ran at El Mirage.  The dust came up to the top of the "glass" and obscured my vision. I didn't run it again.  The dust doesn't do what we would suppose it would.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on November 25, 2019, 07:58:57 PM
This was about 1990 and I'd driven the roadster up from Berdoo to spectate.  The scoop looks to be configured like an early Pro Stock one.  I'm thinking that it's more important in its location than its configuration.  I only drove the car once -- at Bonneville -- and that doesn't count.  Sure was loud sitting back in there with all that horsepower rattling the tin.  I can barely drive, but never screwed up on that one.  The car was a gem.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 03, 2020, 02:37:56 PM

  Last Sat we installed an air scoop in front windshield. Used a 2in wide 1/4 cup stainless measuring cup, cut the bottom and handle off, holesawed the wndow and finished to size with the air tool .Glued it in front and back with clear silicone.

 Still need to get some 3m weatherstrip glue or similar [ used to call it Elephant snot back in the early seventies when we put it on our motorcycle bolt threads to keep from coming loose when racing the desert, it was yellow :-)] for the new door weathersriping .

                    jl222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Happy Pappy on February 03, 2020, 08:22:10 PM
LOL... Gorilla Snot. We used it to glue the hand grips on the dirt bike handle bars. Messy stuff for sure.

Chris
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on February 03, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
We used the term Gorilla Snot too. It's actually weather strip adhesive. We always used 3M brand because their products usually work as designed even if we, as racers, seem to find other uses for them.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on February 03, 2020, 09:20:03 PM
yea, we called that stuff yellow death... anything you put it on was not coming off... including you...
 
Oh, John, without pictures it never happened  :?   :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 14, 2020, 08:04:57 PM
 
  Major improvement to shop today. 10,000 lb 2 post car lift installed. lifts up to 75 in.

  No more laying on back to check rod bearings ECT.

  Picked up hoist in Hayward Ca last week and had 2nd thoughts about installing ourselves.

   600 bucks to install and glad I had it done, saved a lot of cussing.

                           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 29, 2020, 03:37:30 PM
 
  heavy duty 220 volt extension cord finally arrived and we lifted the Camaro for the 1st  time.  Really going to make things easier. :-D

                 JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 04, 2020, 01:01:21 AM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs

 More from the past

            JL222

 Something to watch while quarantined  :-D

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on April 04, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
John ?

Where did the water come from in the last few seconds of the very last video you posted?

Stan
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 05, 2020, 12:58:17 PM

  Jim... from the vent hose from the intercooler tank. it now has a catch can :roll:

                  JL222   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 12, 2020, 11:16:07 AM
 
  WOW a million views :cheers:

 Car is ready for Bville except for new fat tires, ordering soon

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 12, 2020, 10:56:37 PM

  Jim... from the vent hose from the intercooler tank. it now has a catch can :roll:

                  JL222

We eliminated the hose all together and blocked it off at the tank.  It is time to fire it up soon!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 08, 2020, 07:22:31 PM

 New fat boy tires arrived Fri, mounted and balanced today.

 We had a problem with an air dump valve causing slow shifts and Scotty Owens is sending two today.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 14, 2020, 12:04:58 AM
 
  We installed the tires and pushing it over to the hoist realized we didn't check the circumference. Dang!

  After maneuvering back and forth got her on the hoist drained the oil took off the tires and checked the
circumference. One was about 3/8 in bigger around, after adjusting air pressure up and down we could match
them but we didn't like the pressure difference so we blew up the shortest tire about 20 lbs more to see if it would stretch, let the air down, set equal pressures and that got them to match.
 
 Also installed new blow off valve. It came plumed ready to screw into trans. Hey, it was plumed different than the old one? Looking at the other valves on the other 2 trans ,they were plumed right. Now we know why it was slow shifting.  $hit happens :roll:

                 JL222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 15, 2020, 09:28:23 PM
  Noticed cracks in front 2283 tires. Ordered new ones today #change to 2953 after compound change.

 Coming from Ohio, Vegas only had one. Be here next week instead of 2 days.

 One front tire cost more than two backs.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 21, 2020, 11:50:46 AM
 Checking cyl pressure Sat 4 0r 5 cyls only had 50 lbs :? So we squired oil in the cyls and they came up but not much. Let's fire it up before tearing it down and see if pressure changes. That worked, from 50 lbs to 120
avg  :-D T That was a big relief :-P
 Set the valves, just a few thou loose on most, some not changed.

 Need new batteries and few minor things and good to go. Waiting on front tires delivery from Ohio.

                    jl222   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 24, 2020, 04:31:25 PM
 
  Front tires arrived Monday. 7 days from Ohio, not bad. Mounted yesterday, installed today after adding
 GangNails fuse it glue to clip on weights.

  Aso worked on template to keep out salt from front of door as it's now open and gets packed with salt and dust from El Mirage, After 4 templates, fits pretty good, and template fits close on other side.
 Started getting to warm so tomorrow morning,

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 25, 2020, 02:07:43 PM
  finished the left side cardboard template this morning, went faster because left side template was close to fitting. Cutting the tin to fit Sunday when Troy can make it out. Sat going to be 103 Sunday 91

 The new hoist made things easy. Just lift to just the right height instead of being on knees and up and down.

 Also put black plastic garbage bags over front tires, supposed to cut down ozone and help to prolong life.

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Lemming Motors on June 26, 2020, 02:12:20 AM
Haven't seen any pics here for a while.

Re the garbage bags. I think that's a good call.... I was advised to use cling film (glad wrap): I did not on my Goodyear Frontrunner on the rear which I received about 4 months ago.

After only a few months the one on a rim, inflated to around 40psi, is showing very slight hairlines on the side wall and tread area. That shocked me. Looks like the Burt Munro boot polish trick for this boy  :roll:

My front tires just arrived (Goodyear LSRs) and I will be off to the supermarket to buy a bunch of cling film!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 26, 2020, 10:59:49 AM
Haven't seen any pics here for a while.

Re the garbage bags. I think that's a good call.... I was advised to use cling film (glad wrap): I did not on my Goodyear Frontrunner on the rear which I received about 4 months ago.

After only a few months the one on a rim, inflated to around 40psi, is showing very slight hairlines on the side wall and tread area. That shocked me. Looks like the Burt Munro boot polish trick for this boy  :roll:

My front tires just arrived (Goodyear LSRs) and I will be off to the supermarket to buy a bunch of cling film!

  Troy has trouble posting pics here. But maybe he can do the Slim deal.
  Will take pics Sun and see what happens.
  Troy has no problems posting pics on facebook.

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 26, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
I made a deal with Mark Zuckerberg -- he gets the software that makes it easy to load photos, and I won't try to have landracing.com compete with Facebook.  I went easy on him.

Yes, sure - email the pics to me and I'll get 'em up there for you.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 30, 2020, 04:35:12 PM
  We installed the right side salt-dust shield, always takes longer than expected and Troy made fiberglass
repairs on rear lower body in front and back of tire.

  took a few pics and should be posted soon.

  JL222

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 05, 2020, 10:39:00 PM
 
 I installed the left side salt/dust shield and siliconed the gap earlier this week.

 Troy did some more finish up fiberglass work today, a little more Wed, and we painted the shields.

 Almost ready for Bville :-D

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 14, 2020, 09:47:36 PM

  New gel type batteries today with higher cranking amps.

  And we sprayed flex shield over tin that's under car and behind rear end. We had a problem with erosion in that area so after a good cleaning we sprayed on two thin coats with more later.

  Just waiting to get fire bottles recertified and were ready for Bville.

                 jl222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 16, 2020, 07:52:05 PM
I went over to Label Masters and ordered some special labeling for the front end.  Once installed we will let everyone know what it says or maybe have slim post a photo.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 20, 2020, 12:53:58 PM

  Off the hoist and on the ground. Checked that front end still fit after installing salt shields [ it did ] :-D

 Torqued the wheels, put car on jack stands and installed new weather stripping on doors, sponged off all the inside and did touch up painting. New weather striping,salt/dust shields, and air intake in windshield should help Troy's vision at El Mirage.
 
 Just waiting on fire bottles and picking up new air bottle today.

  Backing in car trailer, loading what we can next weekend. Waiting to load car as tires leak air and pain to refill in trailer.

                        JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on July 20, 2020, 06:07:34 PM
John ?

Let's see your new cabin air intake . . .

Stan
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 20, 2020, 06:20:05 PM
John ?

Let's see your new cabin air intake . . .

Stan

  Troy can send Slim foto next weekend.

 I cut the handle and bottom off a 1/2 cup stainless steel measuring cup, cut hole in windshield on lower left driver side  to fit and glued it in. Don't need all that air at Bville so we'll tape it shut.

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 26, 2020, 04:51:50 PM
Okey donkey, Langlos.  Go ahead and add your comments. 

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  Here you go Jim...new cabin air intake, mostly for El Mirage dust problem. We'll tape it off for Bville and use
small air scoop on side window.

                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 26, 2020, 05:41:28 PM
 
  Were ready to load car and truck next Sunday and head to Bville Wed; we checked and loaded our cases for
spare parts drills, bits, paper towels ect and loaded them into the rack in trailer.  Cleaned out the tune up tray
and removed duplicate tools from big tool chest. Also checked out aim on GoPro.
  All set except for surprise lettering for front lip :-D

                JL222   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 14, 2020, 01:41:35 PM
  Well, 222 took off, got a little sideways into 2nd and got loose in 4th for a bit started smoking on right side at the 31/4 and blew a #2 rod and windowed the block on both sides  at the 33/4. timed at 261 thru the 4th with chutes out a sec or 2 before end of 4. Data log shows 6571 rpm which is 290 mph. car was still accelerating even with #2 piston not sealing. Boost still going up to 34 lbs till it blew.

 Data log shows at or near air fuel ratio target of 11.2 but plugs, except for #7 all look black even
#2 with part of the ground strap missing?

  Find out more on teradown

  Washed truck and car yesterday, trailer this morning.

  Wide tires still had little rubber mold sticks after 290 mph.

  Anyone know of a KB stage 8 block for sale

      JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2020, 04:07:48 PM
Some photos of our carnage from speed week.

There should be two push rods, you can see part of one.

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A nice little hole in the manifold

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Yep, that's one of the holes in the block.

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This is the partial rod that escaped.

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Even though we broke we still went above 290mph and we still have the tits on the tires.

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And yes it is still the fastest Camaro in the world lol8

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on August 21, 2020, 06:06:48 PM
That broken rod looks like a fatigue failure. Aluminum?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 21, 2020, 06:37:15 PM
That broken rod looks like a fatigue failure. Aluminum?
 
   machined forged billet top fuel .

  No beach marks as in fatigue failure.

  Learn more when engine comes out.

            JL222

 Oh yeah Aluminum  :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: POPS on August 22, 2020, 10:41:05 AM
JL222
We have a KB without any windows. Not sure if its an 8. We replaced it with a billet block.  You can drive over and check it out in San Martin.
Don Jackson
714-269-9645
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 22, 2020, 02:49:32 PM
JL222
We have a KB without any windows. Not sure if its an 8. We replaced it with a billet block.  You can drive over and check it out in San Martin.
Don Jackson
714-269-9645

 Thanks Don, talked to Bob going to San Martin tomorrow.

              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wheelrdealer on August 22, 2020, 08:37:35 PM
jl222

The EDGE is not a friendly place.

BR
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 30, 2020, 11:52:42 AM
The tear down begins!!

Motor is out

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Our first discovery

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Then the next...

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We decided to take the good cylinder head off first, for morale reasons.  Lol

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Now the bad, better than we imagined...  Notice the bent head stud.

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The missing rod.

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The holes in the block, I can see day light through the block.

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The Sleeve and piston...

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jacksoni on August 30, 2020, 12:56:06 PM
Oh man, there is a lot of broken Subaru in there. Any idea what went first?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 30, 2020, 01:39:13 PM
John and Troy,

Sorry to see all that damage to the engine. What stage KB block is that, VI, VII, or
VIII?  Hope you can find another block, as I know the Stage VI water blocks are pretty hard to find at this time, and I have read the new owners of KB are not making them at this time. All the best to getting things fixed.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 30, 2020, 02:31:45 PM
Oh man, there is a lot of broken Subaru in there. Any idea what went first?
     
    I think that the top of the rod failed first then the rest of the rod started swinging  around
causing parts to fly before it broke in two leaving big end still on crank spinning freely. top of piston is pushed out making me think that rest of rod gave it a final good bye. We have had a rod failure before with torching thru the piston to rod but no sign of that.

  Hunter at J@S garage says send him the block he's seen worse :-P

  Crankshaft looks fine.

                    JL222

  Just remembered. One or two of the other pistons rings were stuck as if detonation was pinching them.
  Data log shows AF ratio in low 11s and plugs looked way rich.
  Video of run shows smoke coming from right side . If oil rings were stuck some oil might not get
to wrist pin [oil holes to pin thru oil rings is an option tho]  and wrist pin is scuffed pretty bad.

                 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: salt27 on August 30, 2020, 02:58:13 PM
A good thing you are using a centrifical blower, if it was a turbo you would be replacing it too.

Small graces.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 30, 2020, 03:44:12 PM
A good thing you are using a centrifical blower, if it was a turbo you would be replacing it too.

Small graces.

 Yeah, was worried about it but looks good.

  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 31, 2020, 01:49:56 PM
I have seen way to much of the inside of your motor!! That is real "comprehensive" destruction.

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 31, 2020, 02:48:00 PM
I have seen way to much of the inside of your motor!! That is real "comprehensive" destruction.

Rex

 Found a very pinched fuel line which could have caused problem. It was under the air intake elbow.

  Our fuel lines are setup and split so that one fuel line goes to bottom fuel rail on left and to top rail  on right and the other line to top left and bottom right.  So just pinching 1/2 of the lines but still not good.
 
  On warm up when tweaking the throttle, I said it doesn't feel as responsive as usual.
 
 Pinched line could be the culprit?

   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 06, 2020, 04:33:58 PM
The cam.  Should buff out :friday

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Crank is out, bearing didn't look too bad.

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Time to get these sleeves out.  What a pain in the butt that was!  My forearms and shoulders are sore today!

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At least we have some pieces to work with.... :clap

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 16, 2020, 02:10:09 PM
We took our old AA block apart to see what it looks like. 

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We took our Bebe hone to the cylinders to clean up the top for easier extraction.

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Cylinder walls look pretty goods.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 16, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
Pistons look good

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Crank turned over real easy by hand and bearings look good too.

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I had a break at the dental office.  Getting work done now.  Lol
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 16, 2020, 03:23:16 PM
 
  The AA motor has been sitting in the shop for 13 yrs and covered with a blanket, it's hard to remember exactly.

  looks like it was ready to run but wasn't because I bought the Stage 8 block.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: racergeo on September 16, 2020, 03:29:35 PM
  I have the same NASCAR Goodyears you are using. How much tire growth do you see? On my land speed 25's I use 25.7 as a number the GY engineer gave me. I am mounting these on an 8" rim.  Thanks  George
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 16, 2020, 05:03:11 PM

  Growth is hard to measure I figure 1'' on the conservative side  But years ago when I went thru
the exit speed trap at 272 mph  I had to figure 11/2'' to match the tack speed.
 Ir could be more. leave plenty of room for growth.

             JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: racergeo on September 16, 2020, 07:07:18 PM
  Thanks for the info, just what I was hoping for. By the way I ran TAD for many years and saw up to 46 lbs. boost and could never see the impressive carnage that you experienced. I'd be checking the cam for straight. :-P :-P
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 16, 2020, 11:25:37 PM
  Cam turned freely in block before removing. Its a large journal cam made out of high dollar material and makes the cam out of our 528 egine look wimpy. Really hard stuff that top fuel uses.
 Hope Crane cams can polish it up.

 528 engine had whole left front blown off and welded back.

 Tires... being conservative with 1 in growth was for interring data into my Bville Pro computer program which calculates speed at rpms.

  What car and class are you running?

    JL222 

   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 20, 2020, 02:54:06 PM
  Troy pressure washed the 528 block and I bb honed the cyls. Some look ify. We'll take the block to Steve Moodie's shop and see if he can hone it for the 4.310 Ross pistons that we have, if not we'll
replace the sleeves  with 4.25 sleeves and bore to 4.310.

     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on September 20, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
Tire growth: 

My late friend John Horsman was the chief engineer of John Wyer Automotive Engineering when they ran Ford GT40s and Porsche 917s in endurance racing (Le Mans, Spa, Monza, etc). He told me that he used the figure of 4% tire expansion at 200 mph in his calculations. This was for bias-ply tires which were standard at that time.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 03, 2021, 02:38:28 PM

  Block is at Moody's shop wait to measure cyls and pistons to see if they can hone them without to much clearance. Also head waiting for ding to be welded up and seat ground.
 If to much clearance for the 4.310 pistons we have 4.25 sleeves to install and bore to 4.310.
 
  So running AA/BG ALT instead of A, record is 240+.

                     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 04, 2021, 09:21:38 PM
  Things have changed. Decided to stay in A instead of AA because we have 4 new 4.25 top fuel pistons and several used good ones. After comparing the 4,25 t0 the 4.310 we had to go with the top fuels. Then found cracks in both heads  :cry: New heads should be hear soon. So new rods and pins but not top fuel this time as Bill Millers new top fuel rods require bolts to be not torqued before ready to run loosen after running not sitting more than a week
 So if we started the motor or ran it on the dyno we would have to drain the oil pull the pan loosen the bolts and start over again. BIG PAIN IN THE ASS for us So Bill said the regular 426 hemi rods would be just fine and not have to loosen bolts. Also ordered cam with same specs from Bullet Cans, shipping next week. But wait there's more a Dan Olsen oil pan only $750 but no shipping as his shop is in Clovis not far away.
 Also nobody has rod bearings for a 426 Hemi but we always replace them when engine is apart
and save the old ones I have 3 new sets and several good used ones.
 Block is bored and honed just waiting for ring fitting.
  Will start assembling motor sat after this unless engine needs to be rebalanced as rods are
lighter. Will find out how much and see.

                 JL222  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 19, 2021, 06:52:55 PM
  IST of all BUILD DAIRIES menu doesn't come up on my computer? I go to the Midget post and click build dairies at top of screen and it comes up.

  Anyhow block will be ready Monday but still waiting for cam and rods. Cam next week, maybe rods, then balanced.

  Heads are all assembled with alloy seats and have the best port job we have ever had.

  Intake manifold is together with all 16 injectors and gaskets clued on. Just have to trim a little to match ports tomorrow.

  Picked up beautiful OLSON pan and was surprised by $100 discount  :-D  Maybe because were local.

  Troy coming early tomorrow to install fire bottles to beat heat. 105 today, better than 111 in Fresno.

 So car is ready just waiting on engine  but hopefully ready to assemble by the 1st


               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 22, 2021, 06:54:55 PM

 Picked up the block today, bored ,honed, rings fitted and line honed.  Cam was roughed out and waiting to be finished as of Monday. Rods ? 5 weeks Friday call then.

                   JL222
.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 10, 2021, 05:07:13 PM
Congrats on qualifying at 292 today!!!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 10, 2021, 07:22:07 PM
 :cheers: :clap

Mike
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 12, 2021, 11:49:14 AM
Sounds like you lost a cylinder?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 16, 2021, 06:54:56 PM
Sounds like you lost a cylinder?

 Yep....0 compression in #1 cyl all cyl had 75 lbs before run normally 100 lbs. squirted oil into cyls
this morning and pressure came up to 90 to 100 lbs even 50 in #1, like rings never seated.

 Different oil but mineral base Find out more at tear down next Sat.

  Engine way down on power compared to 294 run in 2010

  Lots of things wrong on Troy's 292 mph run oil pressure going down manifold temp rising suddenly to 200 normally 130 and fuel pressure down causing a cough and Troy shutting down.

 Fuel problem may have been because of only 4 inches in tank. We only made one run of 1 1/2
miles prior but to many warm ups it seems. Bought 15 gals, damn gas hog. Oil was down in tank
 like pump not sucking but I think problem is in valley were we advised to restrict oil by gluing
plates in and drilling a 1/4 inch hole lots of room for oil up there. Big drain lines in valve cover to pan below splash plate. intercooler pump was working this morning maybe an ice block?

           JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 02, 2021, 01:10:14 AM

  Ordered 8 new Bill Miller pistons and taking to him about oil pressure and watching his video on his site

   I purchased a System One gear pump which shows more volume, pressure and vacuum from oil pam
than our G rotor pump that his video shows cavitation at 4500 rpm.

    Sunday we made up oil lines for new pump. Waiting for pistons and boring for 2 new sleeves on block.

    Every bodies behind so no Nov El Mirage.

               JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 16, 2021, 01:40:30 AM
 

  Last AUG Bville we had high intake manifold temps after intercooler normally 130 or less but 200  So we took the tank out checked for blockage ECT cleaned the bottom and noticed the water lines not routed in the best way. Two 1'' hoses from 55 cal min pump go to big ass intercooler and two back to front of tank.' We made the tank with 3 bulkheads with 3 Marine portals for ice. Water from intercooler goes into 1st section under i'' raised bulkhead into 2nd section and flows over top to last section being cooled the whole way. Well for some reason we can't remember, one hose was routed to last section. We did have an overflow hose for that last section at one time [OLD VIDEO :-P]  maybe a quick fix.

 Pump works great and intercooler flows well so hoping that was the problem.  BUT maybe sender not
 right :?

                               JL222
                   

                                   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 18, 2022, 05:59:26 PM
    Engine is together except for 1 head and manifold should finish tomorrow also flywheel clutch and bellhousing.

    New pistons and rings  2 new sleeves honed with 280 grit instead of a too fine of a hone last year, all new cleavite bearings

      Valves lapped with new 375 lb springs a SYSTEM one oil pump with up to 25o lbs + pressure and intercooler

      return line routed correctly. We also modified the fuel return line that dumps in fuel tank with a longer hoes that goes to bottom of tank and curves to the front to make sure of no aeration.

    One other thing we did was a better intake port alignment on the heads that was discovered to late last year to change.
 
  SO were hoping for the same hp and track as we had when we were timed at 294 mph in the 1st mile.

                                       JL222

           
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 07, 2022, 04:44:09 PM

  Engine is in, all together ready to fire except for gas, oil and water but waiting until after car show Sat and new graphics next week

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on April 07, 2022, 05:19:54 PM

  Engine is in, all together ready to fire except for gas, oil and water but waiting until after car show Sat and new graphics next week

                JL222

Pictures?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 07, 2022, 07:22:57 PM

  Engine is in, all together ready to fire except for gas, oil and water but waiting until after car show Sat and new graphics next week

                JL222

Pictures?

               :-D   I was going to say, maybe some pics from Troy via Slim
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 07, 2022, 10:33:32 PM
Trying to figure our copy and paste options.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcCAz_RpdgZ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 15, 2022, 10:49:03 PM
Frank Silva from Got Salt team did a great job designing our first ever race shirt for our team and these will be available at Speedweek 22.  We have some new graphics on the Camaro which is a throw back to our original graphics, but this is a little different.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CcY3CzNPSfd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on April 15, 2022, 11:11:29 PM
Well ya know what happens when you put a speed on a shirt...
Yep you go faster and obsolete the shirt....
Good luck, see ya on the salt
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 19, 2022, 12:46:51 AM
Frank Silva from Got Salt team did a great job designing our first ever race shirt for our team and these will be available at Speedweek 22.  We have some new graphics on the Camaro which is a throw back to our original graphics, but this is a little different.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CcY3CzNPSfd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

  Link above shows engine running and throttle blip.

   We installed a new oil pump and couldn't get oil pressure and clutch wasn't releasing. So out with the engine
thinking maybe an oil plug was left out. Not so, hooked up oil lines to filter and dry sump spun engine to observe
0illig to crank and rods, oil all over the place and still no pressure. Figured out as new pump routs oil back to dry
sump verses old goes back to pump and has pressure, the new from the filter ( where we take oil pressure from)
and to dry sump is an open line and no pressure. Now taking pressure off pump. So late smart. Fixed O ring in clutch throw-out  and now HAPPY.

   New rear FAT tires coming and fixing a clutch hold down bar and we are ready for over 300 at Bville.

                      JL222

 NOw link not working with out an account
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 19, 2022, 04:05:41 PM
Let's see if this link works any better.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ce5LKgcgmRx/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 25, 2022, 10:19:41 PM

  We measured our new FAT tires for circumference and adjusted with air pressure. Made a clutch bar and new cover over the sump tank.  Tank sits above inner fender, so we had to cut some out and cover with wet suit material that flexes. Installed some new Duez fasteners and besides checking the timing and washing the car were ready for
Bville.

                         JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 21, 2022, 09:14:49 PM
Frank Silva from Got Salt team did a great job designing our first ever race shirt for our team and these will be available at Speedweek 22.  We have some new graphics on the Camaro which is a throw back to our original graphics, but this is a little different.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CcY3CzNPSfd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

  Link above shows engine running and throttle blip.

   We installed a new oil pump and couldn't get oil pressure and clutch wasn't releasing. So out with the engine
thinking maybe an oil plug was left out. Not so, hooked up oil lines to filter and dry sump spun engine to observe
0illig to crank and rods, oil all over the place and still no pressure. Figured out as new pump routs oil back to dry
sump verses old goes back to pump and has pressure, the new from the filter ( where we take oil pressure from)
and to dry sump is an open line and no pressure. Now taking pressure off pump. So late smart. Fixed O ring in clutch throw-out  and now HAPPY.

   New rear FAT tires coming and fixing a clutch hold down bar and we are ready for over 300 at Bville.

                      JL222

 NOw link not working with out an account

 ANY time over 300 would be all right but my time of 294 average in the 1st timed mile had a tack indicated
317mph at 7000 rpm entering the 2nd timed mile with 2 more miles to go and with rev limit set at 7500.
 With a smooth course we hope for way over 300.

                                              JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 25, 2022, 02:56:53 PM

  Truck is loaded hooked up to loaded trailer and, in the shop ready to go. Hey 10 days early a record for us.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2022, 11:34:35 PM
A few photos from Speedweek 22 from my Instagram account.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cg5b_G6MLCN/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChGRN2_J43K/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cg9qfpBL-Ct/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 11, 2022, 11:50:59 PM
I'm not a fan of red. I'm not a fan of pink. Your car looks outstanding!!!  :clap :clap :clap :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2022, 12:15:23 AM
I'm not a fan of red. I'm not a fan of pink. Your car looks outstanding!!!  :clap :clap :clap :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


It must be the blue. :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 12, 2022, 11:46:30 AM
None of those "photos" are photos for me.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2022, 07:56:17 PM
About 10 inches deep at the lands end and 3 inches in the pits. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChQlIm-p19E/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 03, 2022, 03:56:20 PM

 Troy just ordered 8 EGTs from Holley, 4 week wait. Bungs already in from failed unit from FAST. FAST EGT were not long enough to reach the 8 connector box behind the block from #8 and seven cyls? Still didn't work after longer EGTs. Hopefully this time.

  Ready for El Mirage in NOV.

             jl222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 25, 2022, 10:02:24 PM

  We were attempting to install Holly EGT sensors and system SAT but our existing bungs were incompatible. So ground them off and waiting for welder.

  Also tuner says EGRS best diagnostic for tuning.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 20, 2022, 05:50:50 PM
 
  Correct bungs welded in shortly after above post Thanks ''Brad Bosworth'' leads all hooked up but trouble reading data on computer, but Scot Clark our tuner, walked Troy thru the process.

 Hey, all set for Nov El Mirage and some bureaucrat decides to close the lakebed BECUSE RAIN IS FORCAST FOR THAT WED. It didn't rain Wed but it did Tue. But no report on lakebed condition on Sat and SUN.
 
       JL222   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 37 ROADSTER on November 20, 2022, 06:51:09 PM
 
 check the SCTA face book, pictures of lake at El mirage.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 14, 2023, 05:45:54 PM
 
  Camaro has been ready to race since Bville rainout.So truck and trailer is loaded up. Will arrive at El Mirage Thursday to set up pits.

  New air intake for cockpit venting should help Troy see much better also added extra depth on spoiler for more downforce.

 Camaro looses traction in past runs when shifting into 4th gear so Troy will leave it in 3rd and rev the snot out
of it.

  If Camaro stays hooked up.  WOW


                                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 25, 2023, 03:25:54 PM

  BIG BUMMER OF A MEET FOR US. #3 in 200 mile line and starter just spins without turning motor. Tried to push start but planatery gears woun't turn. We no that but gave it a try. We were having same proble in shop but bolts were tight but noy super tight moved starter over worked good and fired up Sat morning for warm up. Bumped starter in line it worked. But not when needed.
 Install spare starter and losktighted bolts ready to go Sun rained out.
 We used to pin starter but newer starters have been lightened where the old had solid metal. Will fill holes with liquid metal in future so we can pin.
  Then Friday late afternoon a great wind gust turned our 3 shades upside down destroying them. Able to use one partial for shade Sat. But threw all away.
   Sat retuning from market and going through Adelanto a tremendous downpour and major flooding lakebed was wet and slippery end of course under water middle and start dry. We loaded up.
  Slipped on mud on step into truck not knowing I hit the doorlock untill shuting the door with keys inside.
  Grew member able to push down lock with CB antennae.
  Alternate road out washborded as hell broke connections on race car toggle switches and no power. Need power to put car in neutral, so had to disconnect drive shaft.

 Road out caused Troys two motorhome air conditioners to stop working and finally El Mirage mud is a bitch to wash off. 

  But we learned a little. Stake all the shades at feet and barely attach shades at pull over corners except for one side so they don't blow away and pin starter. Also learned key pad code for door lock.


            Whew JL222


   
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on May 25, 2023, 07:38:43 PM
John --

Maybe you just used up all of this year's problems.  Can't get any worse (hopefully).

You guys know how to hang in there!

Best wishes . . .
Stan
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 25, 2023, 07:49:30 PM
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

Wow-oh-wow.  Ain't this racin' fun?
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 20, 2023, 09:51:27 PM

 I bought new rear tires as the old ones had a crack halfway up the sidewall?  Not that old never had problem in past.
   MAX tires in Clovis mounted and balanced tires, went to pay and MAX says no charge, on me, I'm a car guy :-D

  Also, took starter with shredded teeth to NAPA and exchanged with no charge :-D

   Racer friend replaced ring gear on flywheel charging only for part and shipping :-D

  So ready to put engine back in next Saturday.

    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 25, 2023, 10:33:26 PM
  Engine in sat and one trans. new starter looked the same but slightly different always need to grind area by main cable
 but even more and some of block, but engages well and turns engine great. We hook battery charger and check before
install, We bored a peep hole in bellhousing to check engagement.

 today we hooked up the other transmissions, installed the blower assembly, fuel lines ,oil lines, EFI injector wires to
injectors, blower tubes and intake scoop.

 Next Sat headers and EGTs, inside covers, drive shaft, check new FAT tires for same circumference, 20 quarts of Valvoline
60 wt, 5 gal of C16 and FIRE UP 1drink

      jl222   
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 02, 2023, 06:40:50 PM

  We did all of the above Sat except but having problem getting tires to have same rollout. finally got the same rollout with only 2 psi difference this morning.

 So we fired up. Ran good, no leaks and got readings on computer from our new EGTS.

 Ready for BVILLE :friday

                     JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on July 02, 2023, 06:50:30 PM
Way to go.

Looking forward to you having a great year!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on July 02, 2023, 10:25:13 PM
John... I think I see a 3 in y'alls future  :wink:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 03, 2023, 01:56:03 PM
I am with Stainless, you guys are doing a 3 this year!!! Looking forward to seeing you at the salt!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 06, 2023, 04:36:39 PM
  Stainless, Rex, and anyone else, if the 222 engine performs as well when I had a 294mph Ist mile time with a 317mph tack reading 7000 rpm heading into the 2nd timed mile, were hoping well over 300mph.

 Oh, and then track conditions :|

               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 06, 2023, 05:04:20 PM
I hope to announce some stupendous speeds for the 222 car.  Best wishes!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2023, 10:47:50 PM
  truck loaded Sat, trailer loaded and hooked up today and ready to roll out of shop Wed at 6am.

   Even have into sheet for Slim 8-)

                   JL222           
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 13, 2023, 12:57:32 AM

  Well....dejuvu, sort of, pits set up Monday ready to run Tues  AND THE WIND BLEW WATER BACK ON COURSE AND IN THE PITS. We decided to go home. BNI had a 3mile course. 1 timed mile. Troy and 1
have gone faster than the record in the 1st mile but we figured the course would be iffy.
 Looking at results web page a lot of fast cars went very slow and some broke transmissions.

 Washed truck, trailer and car today. Left unloaded truck hooked up to trailer and car behind trailer.
 Hey they all fit in shop 8-)  Didn't know that.

 Headed back for USFRA.

 Motels a lot less :-D

                          JL222
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 17, 2023, 05:12:15 PM
Sorry we didn't get a chance to stop by and visit while you were there. We decided to stay and make a few passes since we already committed to the 2400 mile drive from FL (each way). You didn't miss much on the course.  tough to get much put down.  I was 45-75% throttle and getting sideways.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 18, 2023, 12:10:09 AM
Sorry we didn't get a chance to stop by and visit while you were there. We decided to stay and make a few passes since we already committed to the 2400 mile drive from FL (each way). You didn't miss much on the course.  tough to get much put down.  I was 45-75% throttle and getting sideways.

  Yea... course must have been pretty soggy after viewing the results. A lot of fast cars didn't.

  Wishing for a dry course at World of Speed.

                  JL222 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 03, 2023, 09:15:39 PM

  We started it up today making sure there were no problems. Started right up, great oil pressure shifted thru the gears, no leaks added air to tires.

  Already for world finals. Salt cam looked good this morning but wet now.

 Hey still got three weeks.

                       JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 05, 2023, 01:50:32 PM
Just checked the camera and it looks pretty dry right now, no puddles. We are just like John and Troy, hoping for 3 weeks of dry weather and a 5 mile track.

Rex and Duke
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 05, 2023, 02:56:09 PM
Just checked the camera and it looks pretty dry right now, no puddles. We are just like John and Troy, hoping for 3 weeks of dry weather and a 5 mile track.

Rex and Duke

  Just going to post about the salt cam when I saw this.

 Amazing difference overnight.

   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 09, 2023, 02:34:59 PM
 After trailering back and forth thru Bville salt water our trailer brakes stopped working. Magnets no good.
 So we replaced them.

  But we had to see where the juice was First. We did that by using a contact light and power to truck plug was
good
 
  Later that day, looking on Amazon. com I came across a 7 pin plug in device with a display that lights up. 6 dots when power is applied. Lights, Right turn left, brake, back up and charge power.

  Double checked with device  all good. Was able to check every power by myself except brake petal.
 I zip tied the brake controller handles together so I could check if the power came on.

 Neet little tool for future trouble shooting for about #12 bucks 8-)

                      JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 06, 2023, 04:15:43 PM
  Loaded up and ready for El Mirage.

  Fired up and sounded great, no leaks and great oil pressure from new System 1 oil pump

 222 Camaro has been losing traction when shifting into high gear at El Mirage so this next run will be in 3rd gear and let it rev.

   Any rpm over 6300 will break the 222mph record but hoping for a lot more.

   Just noticed. The 222 car going after a  222mph record :laugh:

                        JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on November 06, 2023, 06:50:37 PM
Best of luck, John.

Think of you often when sharing your table with me at the only 200 dinner I've ever attended.

Your hard work on this is bound to blossom soon -- hopefully this weekend.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on November 07, 2023, 03:50:28 PM
Fingers crossed for you and Troy.... 223 is a record 250 is a statement, but anything over the record is the goal.
Good Luck guys  :cheers:
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 09, 2023, 12:08:35 AM
Driver should have figured out that the high gear shift wasn't necessary years ago!  Lol, hopefully we got this figured out this time!  Hope to see many of you soon!  Let's go fast!
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on November 09, 2023, 01:16:56 PM
John, I am driving down tomorrow to Elmo and really looking forward to seeing you and Troy.
See you there!!!

Rex
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 14, 2023, 08:28:36 PM
   Well, a record is a record :-P

  the 222 Camaro going after 222,156 record set a new record at 222.950 :-D

   Troy was looking at his phone GPS registering 235 about an eighth mile before finish when engine started to cut out and getting a slower time.

  Were wondering WTF, after taking the front body off so as to adjust the coil overs up in order to load into trailer, we found out. The oxygen sensor was blown out of the exhaust pipe barely hanging on, the weld cracked almost clear around. An easy fix at least.

  Were happy to get a record even though not as fast as we wanted but super happy with as well as it hooked up. Maybe Troy could post the video,

                          JL222
 
 
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 15, 2023, 12:36:23 AM
Hope this works, record run at Elmo Nov. 2023

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/03w7ggrfv0v3r3mcr0nzv/C0133_Troy-Langlo-No-222_RECORD-of-222mph.MP4?rlkey=p3e8qxzr2fkufgmc7yqz7cq5n&dl=0
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on November 15, 2023, 09:03:40 AM
Congrats!  That's a LOT of dust kicked up by that car! -Dean
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 15, 2023, 01:49:48 PM
Congrats!  That's a LOT of dust kicked up by that car! -Dean

  The dust is because of the low pressure under the spoiler vs the high pressure on top sucking up the dust and
 giving traction.

     JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 16, 2023, 03:29:17 PM
Inside view of our record run.


https://youtu.be/IMP35Jjg6IY?feature=shared
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on November 16, 2023, 06:14:58 PM
Thanx for posting that and congratulation on the new record.
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 16, 2023, 08:33:25 PM
Inside view of our record run.


https://youtu.be/IMP35Jjg6IY?feature=shared

  FAT tires hookin up  :laugh:

                    JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 24, 2023, 11:57:12 AM
Inside view of our record run.


https://youtu.be/IMP35Jjg6IY?feature=shared

     Data log shows Troy AT 30-35% TPS for 8 sec in 1st 35% for 9 sec in 2nd and 50=100% in 3rd at 7300rpm
    engine losing power for 3 sec before finish line.

     Throttle position can be seen left of throttle body.

               JL222


                           

     
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 22, 2023, 05:18:51 PM
Inside view of our record run.


https://youtu.be/IMP35Jjg6IY?feature=shared

     Data log shows Troy AT 30-35% TPS for 8 sec in 1st 35% for 9 sec in 2nd and 50=100% in 3rd at 7300rpm
    engine losing power for 3 sec before finish line.

     Throttle position can be seen left of throttle body.

               JL222


                           

     

    We checked the gearing for 3rd gear [ no shift to 4th } gear was  because of the 222 mph time it and 7310rpms seemed that the 25% overdrive was not working but that is not possible. we have three Owens plantary drive transmissions with a shiftless 25% overdrive in rear which puts all transmissions in over drive.
ratios are 1.4st  1,25 2nd  and1.25rd overdrive changes all to overdrive giving a 1 to 1 ratio to third trans before shifting into high and 25% lower gear ratio.
 To check if third was 1 to1 and with 2.50 rear end ratio there should be 2.5 turns of the engine to one turn of the tire.
 It checked out :cheers:

 times were from start of tps 1st 8 sec 140mph 2nd 18 sec 207mph 3rd 32 sec 254mph.

 ENgine lossing power at end data log shows 3 sec video shows 2 sec

 250 x 5200 divided by 3600 =366 ft sec so between 732ft or more loss of power
and speed :-(

                  JL222

 
 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 26, 2023, 04:43:30 PM

  Times above are total times from start,

  8 sec in 1st  10 sec 1n 2nd and 14 sec in 3rd.

  32 total seconds.

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 17, 2024, 08:09:30 PM
  WE discovered water in the oil after sat run. so put new oil for Sunday run. still water in oil after run ''of course'' Pulled pan off back at shop, ran water through engine and spotted leak at bottom of a sleeve So me heating block with torch and ''Troy'' pulling got the sleeves out. NOT EASY. and we just got them back in Monday using 4 $20 high temp grey RTV silicon gasket makers. 
 Bearings looked good but new on way along with new 60 thou copper head gaskets.

 I guess I should take the heads apart , lap the valves , check spring pressure ECT, pain in the ass but no big rush until May meet.

                   JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 02, 2024, 01:44:47 PM
 
  Data logers are a great tool.

 Got to wondering how fast rpms were building before max at 7310 and revs dying off due to air fuel blow off and 3 sec to tps shut off

 data log shows rpm gaining 300 rpm every 1.5 sec.

 3 sec = 600 rpm.

  Hoping for a good run at may meet: cheers:

                JL222
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 18, 2024, 05:26:14 PM

 Pistons are in, new bearings, pan installed, adjusted oil pump pressure down, will find out how much on fire up, head studs in and we had to in large oil hole in new gaskets to rocker shafts due to slight misalignment. Checked a couple of valves and looked OK as engine has not been run very much. Installing next weekend.

 Only thing left to fix is patching header where AF monitor blew out.

            jl222

             
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 01, 2024, 12:49:54 PM
 
  Heads on last weekend, Install lifters, pushrods, intake manifold and blower tubes this weekend.

 IF Troy doesn't go desert riding. Lots of rain forecast so maybe not.

            JL222

 
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 03, 2024, 02:18:01 PM

  Heads on last weekend, Install lifters, pushrods, intake manifold and blower tubes this weekend.

 IF Troy doesn't go desert riding. Lots of rain forecast so maybe not.

            JL222

 
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 All the above done except blower tubes.
Valves adjusted and A/F blow out hammered back and ready for welding.
  Once welded, one more day in shop and ready for fire up.

                     JL222



                           
Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 10, 2024, 04:36:55 PM

  Engine together, Brad Bosworth welded air fuel bung back in header with extra bead around it.
 SO once installed, ready to fire.


                    JL222