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Title: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 26, 2007, 08:18:10 PM
Our new intake system needs to go through the window.


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Our new intercooler.  16x18x12 trying to cool the air down to ambient temps.

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Rust that has been building for 17 years.


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Rust removal by me! 

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The car with the hood off.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on June 26, 2007, 09:59:34 PM
Looks to me like a job for one of those highly advertised rust paints!

I notice that you have a fitness program going on over in the corner. That going to help with the thrash to get ready?

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on June 26, 2007, 11:18:43 PM
Nice car, I am curious about your motor do you mind telling us a little?

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on June 27, 2007, 12:07:07 AM
Are those two centrifugal blowers or compressors off of turbos adapted to belt drive??

Mind tell us more about the intercooler construction also.

Nice work.  I love the intake manifold.  You make that also??

Too bad I didn't get to see your car also on my trip through Calif.  :cry: .

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2007, 01:06:05 AM
The motor that is in it is a 528 KB hemi.  Record at El Mirage since '90, and a soft record in Bville in '03.  The motor that is going in will be 496 and we will start building it later this week or early next.  The blowers are procharger, and we are trying to get a single one instead of running two, we are waiting for a price.  The intercooler was made by Bell, and my dad designed and welded most of the outer core himself.  The final welding will be done by someone else.  We are still waiting on a dry sump tank and just received the new belts on monday.  Still lots to do.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on June 27, 2007, 08:31:08 AM
Feels like it's getting close doesn't it...  :wink:  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2007, 01:57:39 PM
After everyday, the tension builds to be done.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2007, 06:31:57 PM
The new blower was ordered today and should ship in two weeks.  We are supposed to get 35 psi out of it.  We were getting about 26 out of two of these.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 37str on June 28, 2007, 09:49:19 PM

    I would check to see if it is legal to run the intake through the window be fore you do it.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 28, 2007, 11:50:35 PM
I haven't seen anything that says that it can't be done. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 28, 2007, 11:58:29 PM
Some more pictures.

cleaning the inside for a new coat of paint.

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Our transmission (Owens), floor boards getting ready for paint.

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What's this?  Yes a brand spankin new 496ci Stage 8 KB Hemi!!!!

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CP pistons with dykes rings and the rods by Brooks B2


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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on June 30, 2007, 01:13:22 PM
Sure looks cheap...


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on June 30, 2007, 01:53:57 PM
To convey the concept, use the word.......inexpensive.
Then you need a SMILEY FACE with a tongue in cheek.
Anything but cheap.
FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 30, 2007, 07:26:04 PM
Sure looks cheap...


Your right there are a few things in these pictures that are cheap, the rusted out tape measure, the old screw driver and dykes and the pepsi can.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on June 30, 2007, 09:29:12 PM
 :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 01, 2007, 11:38:18 PM
some good news and some not so good.  First the good news, we have 90% of our coatings finished.

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The bad news is...  We went to do a final wash of the block, so we could put the crank in and check clearances when we noticed that KB had not drilled the block for any water holes!!!!  AAAAHHHH!!!  So now we are a little behind, that's racing!  If you look close enough you can see six pensiled in holes where the water holes are supposed to be.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landracing on July 01, 2007, 11:45:55 PM
I know why that is, its because you only spent the money on the Stage 8 KB, you needed to purchase the Stage 9 Kit...

Hope it gets done in time,,, If not can I have your rooms??? :)

Jon


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2007, 12:17:27 AM
What rooms?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2007, 12:19:02 AM
We still have a 528 motor that is complete if we need it.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Carl Johansson on July 02, 2007, 12:20:00 AM
Where are you at In Fresno?  I live in Auberry and work in Fresno.  Running a GT - C car and a motorcycle, 

Carl Johansson


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2007, 01:10:50 AM
I live in fresno near Bullard High, and my dad and the car are in the clovis foothills.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2007, 10:07:11 PM
Today we spoke to KB about the water block not being drilled for water use, and even though they were told it was being used for Bonneville their reply was that they didn't know we wanted it for water use.  That being said the guy was very helpful I was told.  So we pulled the sleeves out so we could grind on the inside of the block so water would pass by the sleeves.  Next is to drill the deck for the holes, another day gone by without progress.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 04, 2007, 12:46:53 AM
All deck water holes have been drilled and the sleeves are ready to go back in.  Looks like we will be working on getting the sleeves back in the block on the 4th.  I will try to remember my camera so I can show you all the grinding we had to do; just in case you have to do it in the future. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 04, 2007, 05:34:55 PM
This picture shows the water grooves we had to make and the water holes that were drilled.

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This one shows the middle studs put in, just in case we need to hold the sleeves down after we put them in.

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We finally got all the sleeves put back in and are ready for final cleaning and crank.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 06, 2007, 12:30:46 AM
Only got a few things done today.  Getting ready to put the water tanks back in the trunk.  Will be putting the 496 together this week end.  Will post pictures of the build.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2007, 11:02:10 AM
We finally found someone to weld our intercooler up for us.  Thanks Carl for trying to help us out in locating a welder.  We are not for away from your location, give me a call and you could come visit our shop.  Location is off of 168 and Sample RD. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Ervin on July 08, 2007, 09:39:19 AM
What did you use to 'coat' your floor pan??? I went by Rick Haynes' shop a couple weeks ago and he showed me salt/rust damage on his car and trailer. He ran in 06, so thats less than a year ago.EVERYTHING needs to be coated and or plated.
 I was just looking for advice on the BEST coating, that you or others would recommend before I subjected my car to the salt?

 ERVIN


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 08, 2007, 11:01:37 AM
POR-15 and spray all metal parts with salt-x, this subject comes up every season. I pressure wash my truck and let it dry. After I spray about 2 gallons of SALT-X on the entire bottom side, including the engine, transmission etc. I also use a gallon of thinner mixed with one Qt. of oil and spray all of the suspension and springs. Both are sprayed on with a Hudson sprayer. When I get home I pressure wash the under side again and then run a sprinkler under it for several hours. When it dries I crawl under it again with a hose and good hose nozzle for another rinse. This usually required a couple of inspections and another rinse or two.

The next day I spray the entire bottom again with salt-X. This product can be purchased via e-mail   www.salt-x.com. Good luck on the salt, the trip, and the clean up.
Glen :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 08, 2007, 11:07:36 AM
What did you use to 'coat' your floor pan??? I went by Rick Haynes' shop a couple weeks ago and he showed me salt/rust damage on his car and trailer. He ran in 06, so thats less than a year ago.EVERYTHING needs to be coated and or plated.
 I was just looking for advice on the BEST coating, that you or others would recommend before I subjected my car to the salt?

 ERVIN

Loctite makes a spray that converts light rust into a paintable surface.  I ground away most of the rust and then used the spray.  You need to let it sit for 24 hours before painting.  On the paint I used Glidden alkyd oil based paint.   It has rust preventitives in the paint and is made for metal. 

     As far as clean up after the salt, Glens way that he describes is great.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 08, 2007, 11:30:05 AM
Isn't that why they call it Bonneville loc-tite. Ask a few that didn't do a good clean up and find the spindles frozen to the pins or worse. The other thing is when you get home don't forget the trailer. Pull the wheels, hubs and do a good clean up as most have electric brakes and require additional attention. While parked on the spray the trailer plug with WD 40 and put a baggie over it. If you have a slide in receiver I soak a sponge in oil and push it into the receiver ( cut to size) I forgot one year and had to put a chain around the ball and attach the other end to a telephone pole to pull it out. A good thing to do is make a check list for prep and clean up as it's easy to forget little things. Just hosing off ain't enough. I am sure others will add to this info list and hopefully Jon can compile it on the web site for easy access.
Glen :-D :?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2007, 12:10:26 AM
These are the products we used.  On the left is a roof coating that we used as a waterproofer under the two water tanks.  It is also paintable.  When we put ice in our intercooler box it get so cold the condensation settles at the bottom of the floor boards.  We also used the roof coating in the wheel wells over the oil based paint to help keep moisture or salt from getting to the metal.  The roof coating will get another coat of oil base on top of it to give it a better shine for cleaning.

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This shows the bottom of where the two tanks sit.  We put silicone in all the places that water might settle.  Just need to put one more coat of oil on it and were done.

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Here we cut some steel out to cover the oil galley so we can keep more oil in the lower end of the block.  Used Devcon to adhere to the block.

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Putting the crank in and checking clearances.  The red strip is a piece of wax to check how much clearance is between the crank and the bearings. 

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Hammering down the caps.  Had to double check one bearing clearance because we thought we might of hit the cap too hard and squished the wax before we torqued it.

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Our gage for measuring clearances.

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checking end play of the crank.

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Crank is set and in for good.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on July 09, 2007, 03:18:41 AM
Nice work. Thanks for all the photos, you will be the inspiration for alot of people :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 09, 2007, 09:31:11 AM
Nice work  :-D.

Something you might want to consider is instead of the silicone get "seam sealer" from a store that sells auto paint.  I think it will stick and last longer than the silicone.  Paint the surface, let it dry, apply the seam sealer, wipe the joint with your finger and then repaint the joint.  It is used extensively by auto painters and really does a great job and is inexpensive and will seal the seam forever.

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2007, 08:14:02 PM
should be getting the dry sump system this week, and the procharger next week.  Still a lot to do.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 09, 2007, 08:28:33 PM
Ya got 32 days to finish and be on the salt, stay off the computer and keep working. lol


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 11, 2007, 12:53:20 AM
Putting the Arias (cp) pistons in the block.

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Still have the stickers on the car.

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Saving some money putting our engine together ourselves.

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The dykes upper ring.

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Long rod engines require notched buttons for the oil ring.

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Pistons are in.

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This last piston was one reason our record in 03 was so soft.  The valve end broke and was getting tossed around on top of this piston all before the first timed mile.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 11, 2007, 01:01:18 AM
Intercooler is finished and will be picked up tomorrow.  I will post more pictures then.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 12, 2007, 09:28:54 AM
Intercooler is welded up and ready to cool.

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A little set back.  The rods hit the pan so we had to grind the pan to make clearances for the rods.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1212FBGS on July 12, 2007, 11:18:02 AM
I like everything except those piston pin buttons...the alum to steel will tack together and turn ever so slightly back and forth with the pin and then hammer that oil ring. next time make them out of Teflon. other than that your doing a great job... hope it runs as good as your work.
kent


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 12, 2007, 11:20:42 AM
What can I say, we've been using those buttons for years and so have many racers without any of those problems that you speak of.  And when this car does run it is usually well over the records at bonneville.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 12:07:15 AM
Getting ready for the new blower to come, so we had to take our old blower system out of the car.

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Put one of the water tanks in the back of the car.  This is the engine water tank.  The larger intercooler tank sits on top of this one.
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Put all of the studs in the block for the heads, they will be put on eventually.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 12:39:18 AM
Ya got 32 days to finish and be on the salt, stay off the computer and keep working. lol

Glen, one of the first post that I did I stated I would soon be addicted to this site.  I have to check in every so often.  Oh and leave a picture here and there.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 10:49:01 AM
Still lots to do, waiting on some parts for engine assembly.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on July 13, 2007, 02:30:30 PM
It looks like you guys have spared no expense on the engine build. It ought to run really good. Hope it goes like you expect it to. Good luck and go FAST.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 08:30:32 PM
thanks Gary, if runs like we want it to it will be a big leap in the record.  Good luck to you as well.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 13, 2007, 09:30:12 PM
Bvillercr
Glad to see you're hooked on the site. Good job keeping us updated on the progress/build. Are you going to El Mirage this week end? If not will see you at speed week. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2007, 10:42:21 PM
Too much to do to get to Mirage.  See you at Bville.  Troy


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 14, 2007, 01:39:54 PM
Took the old engine out.  Time to clean and paint the engine compartment.  A lot of assembly to next week.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JGMagoo on July 14, 2007, 11:41:38 PM
WOW!

Now THIS is why this site is addicting!

Man, you guys do nice work! And THANKS for all the neat pics!

Beautiful!

Jim McNaul
JGMagoo
Silverthorne, Colo.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2007, 01:15:40 AM
Our water injection system.  This will be changed to a single air intake with the same principle.  We are going to a single procharger.

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The basic injector nossle with an enderly jet.

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Water injector tank.  Notice the multi colored markings?  If we do not use sealed bottled water and get inspected as it goes in and get then get it sealed we could be accused of using some sort of fuel additive which would put us in a fuel class. 

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The aluminum lid is put on because we blew of the plastic twist lid when the boost came up.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 15, 2007, 06:23:48 PM
On this set up we have had reading of up to 380 degrees at 32 psi.  Which seems high but that's 75% adiabatic effecient at 90 degrees ambient.  But that's after we inject water.  We have never taken the temp without h20 injection.  That is why we like to inject water into the impeller, because at 380 degrees the water evaporates and also cools the blower.  The intercoolers that we have been using were mac truck 4"radiator cores.  Mark Johnsons dad, (Lawrence) made them for us at his radiator shop in 1989.  4x4x16 we were able to cool the temps to 250 degrees.  Hope to get a whole lot more of a temp drop (like down to 100) with this new intercooler pictured in this build page. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2007, 07:53:49 PM
Fresh coat of paint for the engine compartment.

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Just got our new blower and water injection system.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on July 15, 2007, 10:08:37 PM
ya always like to see a guy spraying water into an operating electrical device.  Leather is a poor insulator, wear rubber gloves...  :roll:  Of course if you used a gas powered it would count in your inch count, ya got some to spare don't you?   :wink:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2007, 10:33:19 PM
ya always like to see a guy spraying water into an operating electrical device.  Leather is a poor insulator, wear rubber gloves...  :roll:  Of course if you used a gas powered it would count in your inch count, ya got some to spare don't you?   :wink:

Leather,  do you ride a motorcycle?  We can spare 4 cid before the next class change.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on July 16, 2007, 09:53:11 PM
So you could use gas...  Couldn't tell if those were red cow welding gloves or red cow servicers...  :roll: but I like the concept... keep up the good work, see ya on the salt.  8-)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2007, 09:36:12 AM
More maintenance on the car.  We got our cam package late yesterday and will assemble it on Wed.  Heads are out for re-freshening and should have them back later this week or early next.   


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2007, 12:23:28 AM
Got the new 6" intake tubing for the inlet side of the blower.  The dry sump tank has been shipped and the blower is in the process of being made.  Still optimistic about making it to bville.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2007, 10:50:05 PM
Did a few things today while waiting for all of our parts to come.  We installed our new push bar system on the push truck, took off the old harmonic balancer, cleaned and repaired the inter-cooler water tank.  We are waiting on our heads, blower, dry sump tank, injector nozzles and some miscellaneous little stuff.  We cannot put the engine in until the heads are finished and we cannot plumb the pipe until the blower gets here.  We are starting to feel that we might not make it; but we are sure going to try! 
    Here is a picture of our new air intake.  It was five inches and now with the new blower it is six!  Not sure how it is going to fit yet.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on July 18, 2007, 11:16:06 PM
We are starting to feel that we might not make it; but we are sure going to try! 
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Hey great thread and great job! And I do know how you feel about starting to feel like you are not going to make it, I am in the same boat with my bike.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 19, 2007, 09:57:02 AM
Thanks Scott, we are doing what we can to make it.  Time is short.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2007, 10:09:40 AM
finally some good news.  The blower shipped on Thursday and should be here on Monday.  Lots of fab work to do on it so we will see how long it will take. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2007, 12:16:54 AM
Have a lot of family commitments this weekend, so I'm getting late starts in helping with the car.  Today I got the bellhousing and the clutch off the old motor water tested the inter-cooler water tank, no leaks!!!  We also got the cam installed with only a few hick-ups, it's dialed in now.  Here some pictures of the procedure.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1523.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1524.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on July 22, 2007, 12:35:35 AM
Have a lot of family commitments this weekend, so I'm getting late starts in helping with the car.  Today I got the bellhousing and the clutch off the old motor water tested the inter-cooler water tank, no leaks!!!  We also got the cam installed with only a few hick-ups, it's dialed in now.  Here some pictures of the procedure.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1523.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1524.jpg)

Two questions:

#1 Why is the cam copper colored??

#2 On the second to last bearing on the cam and the very first there appears to be a line with an oiling journal....is it? And why don't the other ones have it as well?

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on July 22, 2007, 12:44:40 AM
Troy,

The last question will be - can you put the camera down and use two hands to work on the racer?

DW


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2007, 12:55:24 AM
Troy,

The last question will be - can you put the camera down and use two hands to work on the racer?

DW

It was only two pictures this time.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 22, 2007, 08:41:09 AM
Troy:

Don't listen to Dan. I think everyone's enjoying the coverage and cheering on your progress. Besides which you probably need the breaks!

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on July 22, 2007, 11:42:32 AM
Troy,
  Keep up the good work.

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 22, 2007, 11:51:35 AM
Two questions:

#1 Why is the cam copper colored??

#2 On the second to last bearing on the cam and the very first there appears to be a line with an oiling journal....is it? And why don't the other ones have it as well?

Scott

Sorry, I'll just hop in here.

That is just the coating the cam billets have on their solid roller grinds

BB Mopars oil the rocker shafts through a hole in the block and head that feeds through the #4 cam journal.

But now I have a question.  How thick is that head gasket???


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2007, 03:08:59 PM
The color is a heat treatment and your right on with the hole in the cam.  We were using 45's and now it's 60.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 22, 2007, 05:25:08 PM
Just the light in the pic makes it look like .100 or so.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 23, 2007, 10:33:11 PM
yesterday we got a few things done and found something disturbing.  The disturbing part is that the cover for the cam where the fuel pump attaches was wrong.  The new cam gear has a wider spacing on its bolt pattern.  We now have to have it machined so the bolts don't hit the cover when the cam rotates.  Some things that were done. 

Had to grind out a larger hole for one of our new emergency electrical shut off switches.

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1528.jpg)

We had to put on a new push bar for the rear bumper.  It got welded after I left.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1525.jpg)

Today we worked on some maintenance and the new dry sump tank.  Had to put a screen over our inter-cooler hose so the new pump wouldn't suck any ice into it.  Worked on getting the dash cleaned up and the major part was the dry sump. 

We had to cut and grind on the removable front end to get the dry sump to fit inside of it when we slid it on.  The attachment will be on the front frame rail of the car, this will be done in the next day or two. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1526.jpg)

We get our heads on Tuesday and we think we missed the fed ex delivery of the blower today.  These next few days will be busy.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 24, 2007, 07:53:44 AM
Looks like you're really humpin'.  Let us know if you need us to send Mountain Dew!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2007, 08:59:54 AM
I forgot to add this one yesterday, the first time we could sit down and have a beer since working on this rebuild.  It was beer 30.  Send as much Mountain dew as you want.  We could use it.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on July 24, 2007, 11:41:16 AM
Two questions:
#1 Why is the cam copper colored??
Scott
[/quote]
It is copper plated. Cams are copper plated before they are ground so when they harden the lobes the shaft isn't as hard because the copper prevents the nitride from getting to it.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2007, 12:10:34 PM
I can't remember the official term for the copper plating but this is close.  "Carborization"  It helps keep the carbon structure intact when it goes through heat treatment it doesn't lose strength. 
   
     Speed limit 1000:

I'm not sure if this is the same thing as what you wrote about the nitride, if it is thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on July 24, 2007, 04:10:39 PM
I really hope you can get it together and run this year. I am notorious for waiting till the last minute to get a project done but feel I work better under the pressure and would not have it any other way....looks like you likely fall into that category as well.


Keep the pics and updates coming.



-JH




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2007, 10:05:03 PM
Some good news, we got our blower, heads and fuel pump cover back today.  I was unable to work on the car today, but I was told the blower inlet and impeller look massive and impressive compared to our old ones.  I will post some new pictures on Wednesday evening. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on July 24, 2007, 10:51:31 PM
Some good news, we got our blower, heads and fuel pump cover back today.  I was unable to work on the car today, but I was told the blower inlet and impeller look massive and impressive compared to our old ones.  I will post some new pictures on Wednesday evening. 

I am enjoying watching your build, I hope you guys make it I would love to see you run! So which one are you in the pic so I can say hello if I see you in Bonneville?

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2007, 12:02:00 AM
I am the son, my dad is John or you may occasionally see jl222 on the message board.  It would be great to meet you and I hope to see you run as well.  Everyone is welcome to stop by our pits anytime, we welcome people to say hi and look at the car.  It is still amateur racing and we like to keep that atmosphere in our pits.  Good luck to ya.  Troy


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 26, 2007, 01:13:19 AM
Finished a few things today.  The push bar on the car got its final grind on the welds, the inner-cooler tank is back in the car and the dash board has been painted.  Here are some pictures of the tank and our new blower.

The inner-cooler tank all bolted in.

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Our blower is huge.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1532.jpg)

This an impeller off of our old Vortech, from many years ago.  The Vortech put out 1700 cfm, our new Procharger puts out 4000.

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Here's a picture with the case off.  The impeller is impressive.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1537.jpg)

The gear case is much bigger than our old Procharger. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1536.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1535.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1541.jpg)

The old blowers are off.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1539.jpg)

The new blower getting sized up for a temporary fit.  It needs to be modified which will happen Thursday.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1540.jpg)




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 26, 2007, 08:32:25 PM
Holee Shee that in a big unit you have there!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on July 26, 2007, 09:11:06 PM
Still have the stickers on the car.

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This last piston was one reason our record in 03 was so soft.  The valve end broke and was getting tossed around on top of this piston all before the first timed mile.

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Great taste in decals, troy.  Those are good for an extra 25 MPH :wink:

Looks like your piston has a built-in burst panel...are you sure Warner didn't do that in post-record tech?

Nick 3rd.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on July 26, 2007, 09:52:15 PM
I have been known to be heavy handed with my cert tools.

DW


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 26, 2007, 11:49:06 PM
Things should start to come together pretty quickly now.  This is our inner-cooler pump, mounted it today.  It is supposed to pump 55 gpm, so on a typical Bonneville run it should cycle our tank a few times. 

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1542.jpg)

Drilled all of our holes for the dry sump support bracket.  Need to get it welded up and fitted.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1546.jpg)

The engine is all timed and ready for all of the other parts.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1545.jpg)

We also had to get the blower in a close proximity on its brace so we could get a belt tooth count so we can call and see if there is a belt size available.  Will keep you all updated.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2007, 09:35:52 AM
Hit some snags on the A motor that put us a little behind.  If we make Bonneville we might be running the AA motor, we will find out sometime today if the A motor will be used or not. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2007, 10:08:43 AM
We will be running the A motor, and bonneville is going to be close.  We tried using our pushrods from our AA motor and they were too long.  Our new cam is bigger in diameter so the push rods would not work.  They will be here soon.  Still plenty to do until they come.  The motor will go in on saturday, if not we will be late getting to bonneville.  My home internet modem went out so I can't post pictures at this time.  We are still trying, got home late last night and will be doing the same all week. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 02, 2007, 09:56:18 AM
Yesterday we had to dial indicate the bell-housing to the block and put in pins to keep it from moving.  Of course it took longer than expected!  Today we expect to put the flywheel, clutch, bell-housing, starter, and oil pump on the block and then put the engine in the car(finally)!  I have lots of pictures that I will post on Friday when my internet gets back on line. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2007, 03:21:49 AM
Engine is finally in the car!!!  I would never guess that all the new components that we have that it would be such a mess.  The gremlins come out at night after we finish and steal all of our nuts and bolts, or things that we need but can't find.  Mod after mod, or should I say altered.  After all that is the class we run.  Every little thing has been a small but time consuming problem.  Take for example the starter, you would think that it would just bolt on.  Nnnoooo, we had to shave the side of the block and the support bracket in order for it to have the right engagement and play.  Yeah just venting whewwwwww.  Today is another day.  Pictures soon I promise.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 03, 2007, 07:40:18 AM
Looking forward to the pics!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2007, 10:54:17 PM
Ok my computers is up again so here are some pictures to bring the car up to date.

Some good reading material for every situation of car racing.

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The questioned was asked by isiahstites about why the cam was copper, here's the answer.

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My dad got a candid of me torquing the heads down.

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Heads are now on.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1653.jpg)

The front engine mount is on.

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A candid of my dad next to the elephant.

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Picture of our three disc clutch.

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Me putting the bolts in the front engine mount.

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Engine is in the car.

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1666.jpg)

The blower plate is in.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1667.jpg)

Blower is mocked up with the belt on it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1668.jpg)

different view

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1669.jpg)

Still lots to do, it's gonna be a long weekend!





Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2007, 10:14:59 PM
We put in half of the trans today, with the other half needing bolts that were missing when we got it new?  Aawwww!  Good thing we found that potential problem.  We are working on the blower mounts, it should be done tomorrow and the rest of the trans with it.  This picture shows the only thing that has really worked out for us on the first try.  The air intake for the blower was cut and it fit!!  We now just need to cut the top end of it to get the correct height for the bend toward the front of the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1670-1.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 04, 2007, 10:21:46 PM
Man that's lookin' gooood! Keep thrashin' guys.

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2007, 10:14:41 AM
Finished getting the trans and drive line put in.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1673.jpg)

Of course the closer we get the more mods that have to be done. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2007, 11:28:13 PM
Looks like we are not going to make it this month, if not we will be going in Sept.  If anyone is going in Sept. we will hopefully see you there or possibly in Mirage in Oct. or Nov.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 07, 2007, 12:02:31 AM
You've made amazing progress. Keep on thrashing till it's a runner. Then you won't have what everyone else has for the next event - the dreaded last minute thrash. Great work so far. I can't wait to see it out.

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2007, 09:38:19 AM
We will keep on going till its ready.  I've have a helmet camera for my dirt bike that we will try out inside the car, so if anyone misses sept. salt I will post our runs on this site. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2007, 11:29:04 PM
We got the blower mount and a support bracket for our plate completed. 

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The blower mount is now on the blower.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1676.jpg)

The blower plate is in, we had to shim the plate so the blower drive would move freely inside the crank assembly.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1677.jpg)

The plate is complete with the blower and support plate bolted on, all we need is a few shorter bolts and it will be done.  A few more items will be bolted on to this plate.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 09, 2007, 12:29:52 PM
So you think you're gonna make it this weekend???


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2007, 10:01:27 PM
Nope, but were trying for september.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2007, 10:39:46 AM
We are working on the 6" blower inlet and the blower outlet.  We had to cut an old ear brace off to make room for the tubing going next to the valve cover and through the cowl.

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Cutting the six inch air intake.

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The car with the hood on so we could see the clearance issues that we will have to deal with.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2007, 09:03:49 PM
The inter-cooler is in the car and ready for some blower tubing. 

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We have some tubing tacked together and going through part of the cowl.

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Me cutting a rubber hose for the tubing.

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We have the angles cut, just hoping its right.

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What do you know it fit.

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Now tacked in place.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1697.jpg)

Need to cut a hole in the pipe and weld the blow off valve on.

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Welded on, now just needs to be ground down to make it smooth.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1699.jpg)

Working on the blower intake.  Trying to make it fit under the hood.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2007, 11:53:22 PM
Getting the intake ready to tack together.

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The final piece needed a little flattening, if this didn't work we would've use the scoop off the old tractor.

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Sitting in place and needing to be shortened. 

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My girls playing in the car, the little one didn't want to get out.

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 15, 2007, 09:00:30 PM
Looks like you're getting a lot done.  What class are you going after?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2007, 11:17:22 PM
Looks like you're getting a lot done.  What class are you going after?

We will be in the A/BGALT class.  More pictures to come in a few minutes.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2007, 11:40:24 PM
The air intake is all welded up and ground down.  We are getting ready to work on the blower tubing that goes through the window.

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taping the window to get a sketch to follow.

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Making up a template just to make sure this shape will work.  If we make a mistake on this window or crack it Sept. meet is a no go.

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I'm the lucky one who gets to cut. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1713.jpg)

Actually I'm more nimble, flexible and younger.  If I fall it won't hurt as much as the old man.

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A successful cut, pheww.
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The line up looks good.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1715.jpg)

One pipe cut. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1716.jpg)

The two bends are done.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1717.jpg)

The elder one tacking the tubing together.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1718.jpg)

The straight pipe is tacked in. and all the pipe is ready to weld tomorrow.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1719.jpg)




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 16, 2007, 02:22:15 PM
Troy,
 
What is your static compression? How much Boost in PSI are you looking to get out of the new blower?

Thanks,

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2007, 03:58:49 PM
compression is 8 1/2 and the boost we were told by Procharger that we should get 35psi.  In 90' we went 275 with 12psi.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 17, 2007, 01:49:54 PM
Bville,

            The car and all of your work looks great1

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 17, 2007, 10:39:48 PM
Thanks Scott, we are doing a lot weld grinding right now.  We are working on the bracing for the inter-cooler and then we need to work on the  mainifold to get it ported and drilled for injectors and that would be the major part of the work that needs to be done.  The rest will be easy stuff.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2007, 11:28:51 PM
We worked on getting the blower tubes ground down and only have two more welds to do.  One for a support for the front of the blower inlet and the last is a water injection cupler. 

Need to finish this front bracket.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1723.jpg)

We also got the inter-cooler tank secured to the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1720.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1721.jpg)

Once all the tubing is finished we will be getting it coated.  Most likely it will be chromed.

Throttle body will take a little patience.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1722.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on August 20, 2007, 05:27:00 AM
It is not really clear from the pictures, but is that going to be a water filled intercooler tank?

If so I would wonder what would happen to those hold down brackets in a 5G impact?

It could get real unhealthy if a large object like that took a couple laps around the interior of the car if things went rubber side up.

I am always cautious about brackets that are configured like that (like a pull tab on a soda can) as when pulled in the right direction, they might tear away from the tank like peeling tape off of a surface. Can you loop them back to the tank so the joint cannot be pulled back or torqued and twisted off.
(or perhaps add some sort of secondary cage structure that would contain the tank if the brackets sheared).

Just a first impression from looking at the picture.

Larry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2007, 08:18:00 AM
That's a good observation, and yes we will have some safety tabs that connect the pipe to the inter-cooler for that reason.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2007, 11:07:06 AM
The tank itself is very rock solid in place, my first thought was that you were talking about the pipes.  The tank is set in three places, should be fine.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2007, 10:24:25 PM
The inlet brace is finished.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1727.jpg)

We worked on the throttle and barrel valve placement.  We need to do some minor adjustments and get some more nuts, bolts and spacers to make it right.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1729.jpg)

It was time for new front runners.  The rear tires are on order.  Yes they are Goodyear.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1725.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1724.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 22, 2007, 11:12:08 PM
The manifold is coming along slowly.  I had to do some grinding on the bottom side of the manifold to get it to seat properly.  Also it is marked for porting.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1730.jpg)

The manifold is getting close to being drilled for  injectors. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1734.jpg)

Had to make a new bracket for the coil.  The old bracket was of a thinner plate.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1731.jpg)

The intercooler water lines were fitted and now it looks like a transformer from a sci-fi movie.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1733.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1732.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 23, 2007, 09:33:10 AM
Beautiful work Troy. Are you going to add some tie bars at all your charge tubing connections? We are planning on going to the World Finals, hope to see you there.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 23, 2007, 09:52:50 AM
GH, we are planning to go to the World of Speed not the finals.  If for some reason we don't make WOS we will probably go to the finals. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on August 23, 2007, 08:35:46 PM
Great work guys!!! I can't wait to see the car in person.

You going to have 1 set of injectors or 2 sets.  35 lbs. of boost on that motor is going to require a lot of fuel.

What welder are you using??  I'm looking to buy a tig and I'm open to suggestions.

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2007, 04:53:38 PM
Sumner, we are just running one set of injectors.  They make them big enough for our application.  Here is a picture of the Lincoln wire feed welder that we have.  It is a 220 hook up, my dad sometime wishes he got the 120 because of the outlet that needs to be used. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1735.jpg)

Working on our new push bar for the truck.  First steps.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1736.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1739.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1738.jpg)

The aluminum that will do the pushing.  I need to round off the corners and bevel the edges.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1737.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on August 24, 2007, 10:43:23 PM
Sumner, we are just running one set of injectors.  They make them big enough for our application.  Here is a picture of the Lincoln wire feed welder that we have.  It is a 220 hook up, my dad sometime wishes he got the 120 because of the outlet that needs to be used................

Thanks, I didn't know if you were using a TIG for some of your fabrication.  I have a Miller mig about the same as your Lincoln.  Be glad you have the 220.  The 120's are nice to have, but the penetration can be suspect on some weld situations.

Look forward to more build pictures,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on August 24, 2007, 11:36:35 PM
Its funny to me how sometimes I accidentally get a tool and then ask myself "how did I ever live without it"

I needed a welding hood for a project at work and forgot any one of about 6 I have at the house. Grainger (next door to where I was at) did not have any low end hoods in stock so I ended up buying one of those electric auto-darkening helmets.

It cost a little more....but I cant see myself using anything else. I never realized how much better it is to see what you are working on, hold it with one hand, the gun with the other and not have to loose your spot to lower the shield and strike an arc on something way off from your target.


I am sure the old schoolers will say I am a puss......
So be it, I like my conveniences!!!




Because you did not make Speedweek are you still going to run the A motor?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 25, 2007, 12:04:49 AM
The shield or hat my dad is using is one of those instant dark types.  The problem was that it didn't want to work outside, inside it worked fine.  Go figure?  And yes the A motor is in the car and we are planning on running it the rest of the year.  If for some freak of nature break, we might put the AA back in.  Troy


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 25, 2007, 08:18:59 PM
  We were a bit busy and had to cut the day and weekend short for working on the car.  Today we got a few things done.  The manifold got some porting.  Two down and six to go.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1740.jpg)

The push bar is done and received a couple coats of paint.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1742.jpg)

The aluminum plate has its beveled holes and rounded off corners.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1743.jpg)

The plate is now on the frame and ready to get sized up to the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1745.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1744.jpg)

I cleaned off the old dirt and grime off the brake rotors and installed the new front tires.  I also put the headers on for good.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1741.jpg)

Things are coming together but we still need to pound away at this build to make USFRA.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 28, 2007, 04:45:16 PM
Still porting the manifold, should be done tomorrow?  Today I worked on putting in our plugs for the extra spark plug hole.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1749.jpg)

I also worked on some steel braided hoses.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1747.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1746.jpg)

One down and many to go.  We have some hose clamps to secure the braided hose to the side panels.  You can see one of them on the front part of this hose.  Will have more pictures tomorrow.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1748.jpg)





Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 30, 2007, 12:26:40 AM
The manifold is almost finished getting ported.  Once that is done then the linkage will be finished and we will move on to the injector lines.  Here is a picture of one of the water line shut off valve that was finished.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1750.jpg)

Tomorrow we will be working on oil lines, manifold and getting the fuel tank back in and the get the fuel lines attached.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 30, 2007, 08:50:23 PM
I know your breather tank is supposed to hold any overflow, but are you sure directly over the headers is the only place for it?  Sure hate to see a fire...

Don't you love the criticism you get from people thousands of miles away???


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 31, 2007, 09:42:12 AM
I guess if the overflow, overflows then there could be a problem.  The oil line is almost 3 feet long and the mini tank should hold a quart, it better not leak!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 31, 2007, 09:49:29 AM
Yesterday the manifold porting was finished, the spacer was bolted on and ground down to match the manifold.  A little more cosmetic touch up and all the grinding should be done.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1754.jpg)

fuel pump is on.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1751.jpg)

I can't believe how long it can take to make up oil lines.  The # 12's were easy but one of the 16's was a bear to put together.  One more oil line to the pan and one oil drain line from the valve cover and there done.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1752.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1753.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 31, 2007, 05:41:36 PM
Great job! When can we get a full size shot of the whole car??

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 01, 2007, 09:17:45 AM
Great job! When can we get a full size shot of the whole car??

Scott

Look on page 7 half way down.  It's a little dusty but this is what the car will look like. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 01, 2007, 11:31:35 AM
troy i would move that spooge bottle also... i would put it up higher so it would drain back into the sump tank....definitely away from the header..... good work ... keep up the thrash so we can see it on the salt
kent


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on September 01, 2007, 04:37:05 PM
So, after you made those lines, how many little pin holes were in your fingers???

Lookin good!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 01, 2007, 07:15:28 PM
Looks like we will not make the September meet at Bonneville, so we are shooting for the finals.   I will post some pictures and some verbage later tonight.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 02, 2007, 12:18:16 AM
I know your breather tank is supposed to hold any overflow, but are you sure directly over the headers is the only place for it?  Sure hate to see a fire...

Don't you love the criticism you get from people thousands of miles away???

your right.

troy i would move that spooge bottle also... i would put it up higher so it would drain back into the sump tank....definitely away from the header..... good work ... keep up the thrash so we can see it on the salt
kent

Your right too.

Sometimes it is easy to put something where it fits the best and not think about the possibilities of what could happen.  Here is a picture of my dad and his twin in 1957 with their blown olds.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1762.jpg)

 My dad told me a story about how they hooked up the fuel lines backwards and the consequences that resulted.  So we are moving the oil overflow.  Thanks for putting these thoughts in our heads.  I guess we were a little rushed to get things done and we didn't quiet think this through.  Some pictures of the move.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1756.jpg)

Found a spot on the front side of the blower plate.  If it does overflow then it will hit the plate and nothing hot. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1760.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1761.jpg)

We installed the new push rods and set the valves.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1757.jpg)

Manifold is almost finished.  We need to build up a little at the bottom of the port to get it right.  The outside is all polished and the fuel lines will be done next.  After that the manifold goes on the engine is complete.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1759.jpg)




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 02, 2007, 12:32:36 AM
Looks good bro, that's a really cool pic of your old man!

One of the reasons I post my builds is for the exact reason that other people might see something you don't and can prevent you a lot of heartache down the road from their past experiences.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 02, 2007, 12:41:15 AM
Looks good bro, that's a really cool pic of your old man!

One of the reasons I post my builds is for the exact reason that other people might see something you don't and can prevent you a lot of heartache down the road from their past experiences.

Scott

Exactly and thanks.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Y.B. on September 02, 2007, 05:17:47 AM
To Bvillercr, please bare with me, as this is my first post ever. You described your pistons as Arias (CP) is this to say that cp are making the pistons? I have been following your project with a great deal of interest,and I thought this would be a worthy question for starting to communicate via the forum. Best of luck,Y.B.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 02, 2007, 10:14:43 AM
To Bvillercr, please bare with me, as this is my first post ever. You described your pistons as Arias (CP) is this to say that cp are making the pistons? I have been following your project with a great deal of interest,and I thought this would be a worthy question for starting to communicate via the forum. Best of luck,Y.B.

It was suggested to us by an engine builder to use CP pistons.  When we received them the mold said Arias.  The reason we went with CP is for the heat coating on the skirt of the piston itself.  I believe that CP buys their pistons from Arias and puts their coatings on the piston.  Nick Arias who I believe is in charge at Arias, also frequents this web site and also this build every once in a while.  He would know more about the Arias (CP) connection more than me.  The last time we bought from Nick he gave us one heck of a deal.  (Thanks Nick)  Hope this info helped.  Troy


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on September 02, 2007, 04:18:58 PM
That's weird.  All of our CP piston forging say CP on them.  Did you buy direct?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 02, 2007, 04:38:20 PM
That's weird.  All of our CP piston forging say CP on them.  Did you buy direct?

My CP pistons say CP on them as well.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: interested bystander on September 02, 2007, 10:45:09 PM
Both, I believe is/are correct, and both are HIGH quality- just be sure you gave the piston deigner EVERTHING he/'she needs to know!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 04, 2007, 10:54:14 AM
Thanks for the advice from others on this overflow issue.  It is now complete.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1763.jpg)

I  can't believe how long things take us to get done.   Just cleaning up all the oil lines and re-installing them seemed to take for ever.  some others things accomplished were the cleaning of the valve covers inside and out, installed the internal plugs in the head for the second spark plug, put in all the spark plugs and connected the wires, found all of water hoses for the engine and head and cleaned them all up(need to make changes to some).  Marked the inside of the port on the manifold at the head to be polished.  A lot more little things to be done.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1764.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on September 04, 2007, 07:02:20 PM
The homebuilt aircraft guys have a saying "90% done, 90% to go". It fits very well for race car projects too!

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on September 04, 2007, 09:30:18 PM
all you lack is finishing, right?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 05, 2007, 11:42:04 PM
We got the ballistic blankets from DJ safety and they fit great.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1771.jpg)

Had to re-fit the push buttons for the fire system.  That inter-cooler took up too much room.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1772.jpg)

We got the air fuel ratio sensor and wires run.  The smart box is a different story.  It came with a suction cup mount.  It stayed in place for about ten seconds before it fell off, plus it is all plastic and will vibrate like hell.  So another mount needs to be made.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1773.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1774.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on September 06, 2007, 10:13:06 AM
You guys are doing great and even if it seems slow to you I can't believe how much you have accomplished over the last couple months.

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/temp-pictures/air-fuel.jpg)     

I would consider moving your air/fuel sensor up the pipe a little unless it has been working fine for you there.  At low rpms and maybe at high rpms depending on the cam you could get reversion up the pipe that could effect the readings.  Ours is up about where I put the arrow and we still get some false readings from O2 being sucked up the pipe at lower rpms.

The other thing is I can't remember for sure what the operating temp for these is, but I've added a copper wing type heat sink between the sensor and pipe.  I looked for a picture, but can't find one.  I think I made it to the specs on Innovates site (  http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/ )
Here is what they say:

The maximum temperature of the sensor at the bung (the sensor hexagon)
should not exceed 500 oC or 900 oF. If these temperatures are exceeded in your
application you should either install a copper heat sink (instructions below) or the
Innovate Motorsports Heat-Sink Bung extender (HBX-1).
The bung extender is recommended for situations where airflow is restricted or
the encountered heat is higher than a heat sink can handle.

They show how to build a heat sink here on page 8 and that is what I used:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/support/manual/LC-1_Manual.pdf

I got the copper from Greg at Motor Sports Innovation (609) 265-2110.  If anyone is interested in getting Innovate's wide band air/fuel controller and sensors give Greg a call.  He has us LSR guys in mind.

Maybe none of this is a concern for you guys, but just though I would throw it out there,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 06, 2007, 12:31:29 PM
We had the sensor higher up before, but this one calls for being 12-14 inches from the exhaust port. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on September 06, 2007, 04:15:04 PM
To Bvillercr, please bare with me, as this is my first post ever. You described your pistons as Arias (CP) is this to say that cp are making the pistons? I have been following your project with a great deal of interest,and I thought this would be a worthy question for starting to communicate via the forum. Best of luck,Y.B.

It was suggested to us by an engine builder to use CP pistons.  When we received them the mold said Arias.  The reason we went with CP is for the heat coating on the skirt of the piston itself.  I believe that CP buys their pistons from Arias and puts their coatings on the piston.  Nick Arias who I believe is in charge at Arias, also frequents this web site and also this build every once in a while.  He would know more about the Arias (CP) connection more than me.  The last time we bought from Nick he gave us one heck of a deal.  (Thanks Nick)  Hope this info helped.  Troy

Troy's pistons appear to have been machined by CP on raw forgings supplied by ARIAS.  Having some :roll: experience working in the piston industry, I've seen this exchange of forgings from one manufacturer when the proper forging isn't available from the other.  ARIAS has swapped slugs with BME, CP, ROSS, VENOLIA and DIAMOND.  In this case, CP probably was out of or didn't have a low-dome Hemi for the Langlo's blown setup.

As long as you don't burn your bridges with your competition, they can actually become allies.

Nick 3rd.



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 06, 2007, 10:27:35 PM
To finish it is only a thousand "5 minute" jobs, all of what take 2 hours each!!! It's the details that take the time.(and make the difference!)

Looking good.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JGMagoo on September 07, 2007, 02:11:42 PM
Bvillercr,
I noticed this in the Inovative Motorsports pdf installation instructions page:

7.4 Single Cylinder Engines
These kinds of engines are difficult to measure at the tail-pipe. The oscillations of the exhaust
gas are so large that a lot of outside air enters the exhaust and prevents correct measurement.

I see your predicament with this in running "zoomie" headers but it looks like it might upset your readings.

Are "zoomies" really that more efficient than collectors?

JG


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on September 07, 2007, 02:19:07 PM
Down force helps


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JackD on September 07, 2007, 03:47:10 PM
Down force helps
Geeze Glen !
It's no wonder I can't sell My "Weed Burners", thanks a lot !
Seriously, the best placemnt of the probe is going to vary widely with the application.
Best would be a standoff little chamber that would see the average of all the comings and goings, and give you a better total.
In any case it is just 1 part of a lot of information that applies to only your package and remains as only 1 part of the tuning decision that doesn't necessarily transffer to another.
The same tuneup with another nut behind the wheel. won't even be the same. :wink:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 07, 2007, 04:14:21 PM
This is an NHRA Nitro car.........just thought you would like the picture.


(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/isiahstites/misc/100_0888.jpg)

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on September 07, 2007, 04:23:08 PM
..............................Best would be a standoff little chamber that would see the average of all the comings and goings, and give you a better total...........

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/temp-pictures/Scavengepipe-em.jpg)     

I made one similar to the one in the picture, but we haven't used it yet.  One exhaust pipe only but the benefit is that the scavenge pipe can go up the exhaust pipe to a point where reversion shouldn't be happening.  The suction other one can also go up the pipe. 

This lets you get the distance from the exh. port you want and still get a good sample.  Also now the sensor isn't in the pipe so overheating is no longer a concern.  We still might use it, but we seem to be getting accurate readings once under way.

There is more here when I asked this question a year or so ago:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1872

c ya and thanks Jack for finding the course post from long ago (still seems pretty complicated and depends on a lot of different people cooperating, but if it has worked who can argue with that..........),

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 07, 2007, 10:31:34 PM
This is an NHRA Nitro car.........just thought you would like the picture.


(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/isiahstites/misc/100_0888.jpg)

Scott


Thanks for the photo Scott.  We have the same capabilities on our headers to run pyrometers but just haven't had the room.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 08, 2007, 11:25:01 PM
We got a few things done, but not finished today.  We tacked on some braces to the blower tubes just in case the clamps don't hold it together.  We did all connections but I only took two shots.

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1775.jpg)

Once these tabs are finished all the tubes will be sent out for some sort of chrome job.  Not sure on the color?  We had to take the inter-cooler out to finish putting the temperature sensors in it.  It barely fits in between the cage. 

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The sensors we use to measure the air temperature before and after the inter-cooler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1778.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 09, 2007, 11:50:13 PM
Down force helps
[/Exactly, we  believe we get down force and thrust .I saw on  tv a funny car that lost its zoomies the front end was off the ground 2 or 3 ft and the back tires were off 6 inches or more.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 10, 2007, 10:12:51 AM
Doesn't look like you are beading the tubing and are depended only on the tightness of the clamps to hold every thing together so your tabs are really needed. I ran a two liter BMW 4 valve motor on the dyno once with double clamps on both sides and at around 70 inches the inlet blew off so we added lock wire to help hold every thing together. With the sizes of your tubes I'll bet you could bead the end with a standard bead roller, might be worth trying.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hitz on September 10, 2007, 02:49:04 PM

   Just a quick thought. I didn't see a strap welded to to the zoomies at the outer end.I think I saw where that was required in the rule book. Maybe you just can't see it in the pictures. I hope that's the case. Good luck on the salt and dirt!

  Harv


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 10, 2007, 10:03:13 PM
straps for headers or zoomies are not required.  Straps are required on Roots type or blowers on top, maybe thats where you saw straps?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on September 10, 2007, 10:40:32 PM
I think he may be referring to this rule item which indirectly requires a strap or similar retention system.

2007 rules
page 32
3.P Exhaust systems

... individual stacks will be connected by welding or other means near the free end so as to prevent destruction due to vibration.


Larry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 10, 2007, 11:48:29 PM
Down force helps
[/



That's right Glen we get down force and thrust from our zoomies ,wish i had angled the ends back a little more.
 I saw a picture of a funny car that lost one of its headers the front was up about 2 or 3 ft and the rear tires were off the ground 6" or so. I cracked the throttle a little too much after warming the engine and almost blew the hood off the top of the car we set up there when working on the engine.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 11, 2007, 12:04:59 AM
I think he may be referring to this rule item which indirectly requires a strap or similar retention system.

2007 rules
page 32
3.P Exhaust systems

... individual stacks will be connected by welding or other means near the free end so as to prevent destruction due to vibration.


Larry

Yes, they are welded in between the stacks.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 11, 2007, 07:39:49 PM
Like stated here before, a thousand five minutes jobs to do.  Today we got a few things done.  The inner-cooler tubes are finished and ready to send to get its coating.  I wired up the batteries and water pump, put on the air nozzles for the transmission, and the manifold is done; no leaks and ready to put on.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1782.jpg)

We forgot how low the car is when it is off the jacks.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1779.jpg)

A little history of the car, last time at Bonneville was 03.

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Manifold will go on late tonight or early tomorrow with a lots of little things to do.


Title: ReF: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 11, 2007, 08:50:18 PM
You fotos are presented marvelously.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 13, 2007, 01:37:53 AM
Manifold is on the car for good!!!  We had to re-adjust the length of the fuel lines for the new set up.

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Fuel lines attached.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1784.jpg)

Me cutting some four inch tubing for the sides of the air intake.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1785.jpg)

These will be the sides of the air intake.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1786.jpg)

One side tacked on, and the rest will be done tomorrow.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1790.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1789.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 13, 2007, 07:35:56 PM
Worked on the air intake a little today.  I could only spend a couple hours on the car today, but this is what was finished while I was there.  The rest should be done later tonight.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1791.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1792.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 18, 2007, 09:46:19 AM
My internet is out again!  I have pictures but cannot find the camera cable to input them.  Anyway, all of the blower intake and all of the tubing has been sent out to get ceramitized should be finished friday.  A little to do on the trans cover, then need to mount our compressed air tank, air fuel gage, some wire hook up and push bar on the truck.  After that we can fire it up!  I'll try to update when I get a chance.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 18, 2007, 10:42:31 PM
I thought I had more pictures, but here are three.  Here is a picture of the finished air intake minus the coatings.

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1793.jpg)

This is our version of Frankenstein.  We tried our best and finished with this.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1800.jpg)

Now that the cover is done we can put the inner-cooler back in and start working on other fabrications.  Things to do still:  1) Emergency shut off switch, 2) Compressed air mount, 3) Air fuel ratio gage, 4) misc. wiring, 5) some fiberglass work, 6) paint Frankenstein, 7) push bar for truck.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 18, 2007, 10:58:25 PM
Looking great bro! Keep up the good work.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 19, 2007, 10:58:34 PM
Thanks Scott.  Today we got the trans cover back in after some paint, inner-cooler is in, wiring is sorted out(mostly), emergency switch is finished and some work done on the belts and seat.  We're getting there slowly.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2007, 12:17:04 AM
Things are coming together quickly.  The push bar has been re-done to fit our new set up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1806.jpg)

Some photos of the new coatings on the blower tubing and intake.

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Fixed the hood to fit the blower tube coming out of the window.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1808.jpg)

And paint.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1812.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1810.jpg)

My helmet camera for my dirt riding fits perfectly here.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1807.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on September 26, 2007, 09:05:31 AM
It looks great, can't wait to see it on the salt.

I'm trying to figure the hood out.  I can see the new bump at the back to clear the air supply from the intercooler.  The other bulge above it I assume is for clearance also.  Is it open there in the back to let air out of the engine compartment or is is closed??

How about a picture with the hood on the car.

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2007, 09:17:46 AM
With our old set up we had a large inner-cooler box on top of our injectors.  We had to put blow off valves on top of that box, so the large scoop on the top of the hood was to cover up those valves.  The opening in the back was just never covered.  Someday we may build another hood.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2007, 09:31:37 PM
We thought we were going to start the car today, but got a little behind putting together other things.  Today we got all the wiring completed, the compressed air bottle mounted, and the roll cage padding on.  The car is all gassed up and ready to fire.   My dad is making a trip to sac town to pick up some new Goodyear 2222's, when he gets back we will light the engine.  Here are a few pictures.

The completed push bar.

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The hood of the car.

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The car still on jacks.  The car will be off tomorrow.

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1815.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on September 26, 2007, 09:36:11 PM
You have done a fantastic job, the car looks great!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on September 26, 2007, 10:31:37 PM
...........................How about a picture with the hood on the car.......

Thanks, it looks really nice and I like the push bar also,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2007, 10:59:18 PM
If all goes well tomorrow I will post a video of the car firing up and running.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 28, 2007, 01:32:30 AM
Here is a video of the cars second start.  The first start we had a small oil leak and fuel leak, needed a little tightening.  The engine isn't at the tune it needs to be at, but I thought you might like the video anyway.  I'm in the car starting and checking controls mom and dad (Linda and John) are checking for more leaks.  We have a small water leak at the head (fix tomorrow) and a water leak in the tank (fix tomorrow).  Enjoy.  Click on picture to activate video.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_firstfireup.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=firstfireup.flv)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on September 28, 2007, 03:54:02 AM
Good job! Well done! Got to admit I really like the family participation aspect too.

Good luck on the salt.

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 28, 2007, 09:39:27 AM
We need to change a few things and restart, hopefully I will get a better video during the day.  The family thing is a good thing.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on September 28, 2007, 10:19:04 PM
Your mom rocks! I couldn't get my mom within 1000 feet of a running blown KB.......Hope to see you at the WF next week.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 28, 2007, 10:50:23 PM
My dad has been racing since the late 50's.  She's been around almost as long.  Here's a picture in 57 I believe of my dad and his twin with a blown olds.  They ran in the mid 120 and around 12 seconds.  How tires have changed.

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How do you think I got the fever.  Many family member used to race, some still do and we still try.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 29, 2007, 09:55:42 AM
Yesterday we had to re-due a few things to remedy some leaks.  We also got our new Goodyear 2222 mounted and on the car.  Karma is looking out for us recently.  We will fire the engine again today to get a better tune, Some minor body work and get some organizing done on what we are bringing.  Then tomorrow we will load it all up and be gone on Monday.  This build is almost finished.  Another video later tonight.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 30, 2007, 10:04:20 AM
A trip to Bonneville wouldn't be the same unless you had to use allumiseal.  We had a little set back yesterday in that we had water in the oil, thought it might be a bville breaker.  We think we got it the water leak stopped we will find out this morning.  If not we might not be there.  Pan is off and we need to check the leak.  We only have a couple things to do to finish.  Here are a couple photos of some of the things we finished yesterday while waiting on the allumiseal to do its magic.

We got new tires and finally got them on.

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We made these braces for the blower tubes.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1819.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1820.jpg)

We checked the inner-cooler temperature at idle, and on the hot side it got up to 208 and on the cold it was 130, at 14 psi.(no ice) 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 04, 2007, 09:49:39 PM
Troy, I enjoyed your visit at WF. Your Dad and me is about the same age, started messing around with cars about the same time. Your Moms maiden name is the same as mine. Check out some photos on my web site (geocities.com/garyhartracing) Cya


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on October 05, 2007, 09:25:28 PM
Troy, I enjoyed your visit at WF................................. Cya

Ditto on what Gary said, good meeting you guys and getting to talk to you.  The best of luck with your car,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 05, 2007, 11:41:37 PM
It was great to put the faces to all of the names.  Nice to meet everyone and Gary, don't give up on that AA motor yet it will get you that record and a red hat.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on October 07, 2007, 08:31:03 AM
Cool video!  Sounds mean.  Sorry to hear bout your milkshake issues. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 08, 2007, 12:02:06 AM
Cool video!  Sounds mean.  Sorry to hear bout your milkshake issues. 

The thing is so loud you can barely hear the real sound of the engine.  Need to find the root of the problem and then put it back together and get it running better, then I will post another video. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 12, 2007, 06:06:10 PM
Since getting back from Bonneville we have been slow on tearing down the engine and finding the water leak.  One thing my dad did do, was change the fuel primer from going into the fuel lines to squirting into the spacer on top of the manifold.  Hopefully this will help with the initial start of the engine.  We will start working on the engine sunday.  I will post more pictures then.  Troy


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 14, 2007, 07:37:59 PM
We found the water leak pretty easily and quickly.  While under the car looking up at the sleeves I could see that they were not leaking at the bottom.  I could see some water dripping down from somewhere near the first lifter on the number 1 sleeve.  We took the valve covers off to see if the head was the problem and it wasn't clear at that time.  Once we took the manifold off we spotted the problem immediatly.  With the use of a mirror we could see that the leak was comming from the top of the sleeve where it met the aluminum block next to the push rod hole.  Here is a picture.  The first one shows two push rods holes, the one on the left is the leak.  You can locate it by looking to left of both silicone spots.

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This picture is a better view of the leak.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1897.jpg)

We think the O ring that goes around the top of the sleeve didn't seal the water out, we tried getting the sleeve out but it is a bitch to get out.  When the block is out of the car we usaully heat the block up and put the sleeve in the freezer so it will slide in the block easier.  Here is a picture of us trying to cool the sleeve down so it will come out.  No luck.

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I think we are just going to silicone the areas effected and put it back together.  We also changed our gas primer from going into the barrel valve to now shooting into the manifold.  Here is a picture of it. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1895.jpg)

All in all we were pretty happy that we don't have to pull the engine system out of the car..... for now anyway.  We will refire it and make sure there are no more leaks before we load up for Mirage in Nov.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fwillyj on October 14, 2007, 09:51:36 PM
-if you haven't siliconed that spot up yet you ought to consider taking a Q-tip and swabbing the area with some thin green or red loctite----just let that seep into the leak area.

-You'd probably have better results with the loctite if you try to clean it good with some sort of quick drying brake or carburetor cleaner--and maybe use a heat gun to warm up the area then swab the loctite onto there.

-Or even use a smear of JB Weld.
---------------------------------------------------------
-There is a product called www.techspray.com that sells freezer in an aerosol can part #1672-15S where 15 is 15 OZ.

-This stuff says it cools to -62F----I have tried it and it's quick and will put a frosting coating on metal parts in just seconds.

-It's available at Allied Electronics for about $14 a can but it's real handy to have in your tool box at remote places like Bonneville.



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on October 14, 2007, 09:51:36 PM
Glad you found the problem easily. Look forward to seeing you run at EM.
I've installed liners in diesels with dry ice but I don't remember how we got them out. I think we just used pullers. I'll ask around and see if it helps you. See ya at EM.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 15, 2007, 09:43:31 AM
Thanks for the information.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 17, 2007, 08:48:10 PM
Looks like we need to pull four sleeves out.  We will try the dry ice method and if it doesn't work then we will have to pull the engine and get the sleeves out that way.  Almost starting over!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on October 17, 2007, 09:01:47 PM
Looks like we need to pull four sleeves out.  We will try the dry ice method and if it doesn't work then we will have to pull the engine and get the sleeves out that way.  Almost starting over!

Sorry to hear that Troy, but go back and look where you were 4-5 months ago and you won't be starting over.  You guys and your mom have accomplished a lot and when you look back on things this will be a small hiccup.  I'm glad to see you are trying to fix it right.  I wasn't real keen on the put something in the hole deal.

Hope you still get to run in November,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 17, 2007, 09:40:30 PM
Over all the water leak was pretty small, but who knows how much would accumulate during a warm up and then a run.  We'll get it fixed soon enough.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on October 17, 2007, 10:13:15 PM
Over all the water leak was pretty small, but who knows how much would accumulate during a warm up and then a run.  We'll get it fixed soon enough.

You guys still coming out in November?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 18, 2007, 02:00:57 AM
We are going to try to make it, good luck this week end.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 18, 2007, 08:52:02 PM
Engine will be comming out this weekend and so will all of the sleeves.We need to make sure we do not have this problem with any other sleeves later on.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 21, 2007, 10:18:41 PM
Today we pulled the drive shaft, tranny, blower system, engine, bellhousing, clutch and all of the pistons out of the engine.  We also pulled two stubborn sleeves out.  Here are some pictures from today.

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1910.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1911.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 21, 2007, 10:21:14 PM
Oh ya, we will be pulling the crank and cam out so we can make sure everything is clean on the inside.  Hopefully we can get it all back together before the last meet. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on October 22, 2007, 02:53:09 AM
Oh ya, we will be pulling the crank and cam out so we can make sure everything is clean on the inside.  Hopefully we can get it all back together before the last meet. 

You know in NHRA they do all that in less than an hour and a half.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 22, 2007, 09:59:07 AM
I'm jealous!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JackD on October 22, 2007, 11:17:50 AM
I'm jealous!!

NHRA motors are designed to only go 1321 ft. for just seconds. :wink:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 23, 2007, 12:16:12 AM
The block is apart execept for the remaining 6 sleeves.  Those should come out on tues., and the re-installation of the block on wed..


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 24, 2007, 12:13:09 AM
Sleeves are all out, they need to cleaned and put in the freezer.  The block needs to be cleaned and then re-assembled.  We will try to get as much done as we can on Wednesday.  I will keep this updated.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on October 24, 2007, 12:23:57 AM
Sleeves are all out, they need to cleaned and put in the freezer.  The block needs to be cleaned and then re-assembled.  We will try to get as much done as we can on Wednesday.  I will keep this updated.

Are you coming to ELMO in three weeks?

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 24, 2007, 10:21:03 AM
Sleeves are all out, they need to cleaned and put in the freezer.  The block needs to be cleaned and then re-assembled.  We will try to get as much done as we can on Wednesday.  I will keep this updated.

Are you coming to ELMO in three weeks?

Scott

That's what were pushing for.  Everything is already fabbed so it should go together quickly.  Did I say it should go together quickly?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on October 24, 2007, 08:28:05 PM
The trick is to not have it come apart quickly...........


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 25, 2007, 12:37:09 AM
We had to heat the block up between 140 and 180 degrees to get the sleeves to go in easy.



(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1912.jpg)

We also put the sleeves in the freezer to help them slide in better.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1913.jpg)

This pesky little creature just wouldn't take a hint a leave.  So we helped it leave.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1916.jpg)

Making sure we put some high temp silicone at the top of the sleeve to prevent any more leaks.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1914.jpg)

Put the crank in and I had to go.  Senior put the main on and torqued them done.... Well that's what he said he was going to do.....  Did you JL222?

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1917.jpg)

The pistons and cam should be in the block before I can get back to help on Sat. 





Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 25, 2007, 12:51:32 AM
I said i was going to,just not when. Nap time.
jl222   


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 27, 2007, 10:13:53 AM
Pistons and cam are in, just have to set the timing and button it up.  A little work on the clutch and maybe get the engine back in today? 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 27, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Took a little time to get the cam timming set.  It is now done and the heads are on as well.  We put two petcocks in just in case it freezes at Elmo.  Here are some pictures.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1920.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1918.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 01, 2007, 12:18:07 AM
We got the engine back in the car today. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1921.jpg)

A couple pictures of our blower drive just like a funny car cuppler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1922.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1923.jpg)

We also got the blower system in as well.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1924.jpg)

Need to do get a broken stud out of our tranny and put in a new stud.  Then we can put the tranny back in and fire it up.  Hopefully we will get it fired up Sat.  Will keep you all posted.  Still trying to make Elmo.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 01, 2007, 08:56:59 AM
Looking good, good luck I hope you can make Elmo.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 02, 2007, 04:14:35 PM
should be starting it on Sunday, then fixing some minor body connections and then load it up and heading out on friday.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 03, 2007, 09:58:32 PM
Here is a picture of one of our trannys that needed some repair.

There are four studs inside to mount a hydrolic throw out bearing.  One of the studs was leaking so we had to replace it.  If you look close enough you can see that they had to be ground down so that a bearing could fit inside of it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1927.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1931.jpg)

Some more pictures of the planetary gears.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1929.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1928.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1930.jpg)

We got the engine put back together. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1925.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1926.jpg)

Tomorrow we just need to get those trannys and drive line back in, fill with oil and gas and then hopefully start it up. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: frogpirate on November 03, 2007, 11:04:27 PM
Thanks for the update. I be crossing my fingers for you tommorrow!

Ken
Wannabe. :)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 04, 2007, 10:47:11 AM
I'll have another video of it starting today.  I will post it if everything goes as planned.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 12:08:47 AM
This little hose cost us about 2 hours of time.  This is one of the hoses that connects our hydrolic throw out bearing for our clutch.  After we install all of the trannies this is supposed to be tie wrapped so it doesn't hit the clutch.  Well we forgot and yes it got caught on the clutch and leaked.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1933.jpg)

The new line is now in place.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1934.jpg)

This is what the lines are supposed to look like. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1937.jpg)

All of the trannies are all in.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1932.jpg)

We are back on track and started the car tonight.  It is still very rich, we based our set up on the old engine.  So far we have been off.  We will lean out all the jets and give it another start tomorrow and see how close we get.  Tonight we got 20lbs of boost at about 70 degrees.  At 75% eficient the blower temp. should be about 275 degrees.  We had a blower temp of 189 before the intercooler and 103 after the intercooler.  We think that our sensors can't react fast enough from jazzing the throttle, but we are happy to get an 86 degree delta drop with just water and no ice.  I have a video that I will try to get loaded tonight, and post here later.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on November 07, 2007, 12:37:04 AM
BVILLE RCR

You fotos have been EXCELLENT throughout your entire post..

Now I hope for no wind, good bite and a great set of numbers when u get to the Lakes.

Don't let Arley oil down the launch pad. If Jay shows up.........save the car for some other year.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 09:25:44 AM
BVILLE RCR

You fotos have been EXCELLENT throughout your entire post..

Now I hope for no wind, good bite and a great set of numbers when u get to the Lakes.

Don't let Arley oil down the launch pad. If Jay shows up.........save the car for some other year.

FREUD

That's funny.  The only thing that Jay has anything to do with is his advertisement on our car.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 09:29:47 AM
The video I have is lengthy.  Normally my computer will break the video down into many segments.  This video was broken down into three and the one with the engine starting multiple times is 15 minutes long.  I will post it soon and you can always just click the video off when you get bored with it. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 11:23:22 AM
video file is too large to download at photobucket.  I need to find another way, or shoot another video later today.  Video is on hold for now.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 07, 2007, 09:37:36 PM
Try youtube


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 07, 2007, 11:07:22 PM
Here is todays video of our start up.  We are not at the tune we need to be at, but we will have time to make adjustments all weekend. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_Enginestart2.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=Enginestart2.flv)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 09, 2007, 09:48:48 AM
I should rename this build to, getting ready for El Mirage.  Good luck everyone, we are leaving hopefully before noon and should arrive between 2-4.  See you on the dirt.  Troy


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 09, 2007, 10:28:48 AM
I am looking forward to seeing your car and meeting you..........drive safe and I will see you on the dirt.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on November 12, 2007, 03:11:09 PM
I finally got to see the car and hear it run at El M this past weekend.  The videos don't do it justice.  You don't hear many motors that sound as good as this one does and all of the pictures of the compressor, piping, intercooler are way off in perspective once you see it in real life.  Just double the size that your brain is telling you when you look at the build pictures. 

The cage is one of the safer looking ones I've seen and the engineering from the front of the car to the very back bumper is outstanding.  If you ever get a chance take a good look at the car.

Good seeing you guys again and can't wait to see it run on the salt,

Sum



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 12, 2007, 04:40:47 PM
Sumner I did not get to hear it run but I did see it in person and agree with the things you mentioned.

It was nice meeting Troy and the family.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 12, 2007, 09:15:20 PM
Sumner, good to see you again.  I've always wondered what it sounded like from a little distance.  I can't really tell from being in the car. 

Scott is was great to finally meet you and your wife.  Sorry we couldn't visit more, we were still thrashing to run on sunday.  Thanks for the kind words from you and Sum.  See you guys on one of these lake beds soon.  Troy


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 14, 2007, 09:01:07 PM
Summner brought to my attention about running the car to get a picture on his number list.  Messing with us of course, but found some old timing slips and a picture of the car on the salt.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0030.jpg)

close up shot.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0031.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0032.jpg)

Same slip but a copy and it shows our exit speed after the tranny and then the blowers blew up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0028.jpg)

A picture with the car on the salt.  Man I wish we were there with it this year.  08 is just around the corner.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0036.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 14, 2007, 10:26:03 PM
Very impressive speeds and now you are on the list  :-):

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-1/bville-cars%20index-1.html

That 1991 time at Speed Week was the first Speed Week I attended,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rustyT on December 14, 2007, 10:40:34 PM
sum.I looked at all build pics of this car,is there a fire wall between the scoop and the windsheild? maybe it doesnt matter on a shiney car. Just kidding, awesome car.  phil


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 14, 2007, 11:50:04 PM
Very impressive speeds and now you are on the list  :-):

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-1/bville-cars%20index-1.html

That 1991 time at Speed Week was the first Speed Week I attended,

Sum

That was our 3rd year on the salt.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 23, 2007, 12:30:06 AM
Something we learned at Elmo was that we were having a hell of a time getting the barrel valve set close enough for the engine to run right.  There was just too much air getting into the engine at idle.  So we put the extra blow off valve next to the other one, hopefully this will control the air comming in better. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1940.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1942.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1951.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: David on December 24, 2007, 05:16:52 PM
Hi, what a fabulous thread & brilliant workmanship as well, you must be a inspiration to many on this site.  Did you find the F.A.S.T.air fuel meter that you had fitted in you build up, helped you in your tuning of your fuel system also do you run on alcohol?
I have just purchased one of these air fuel meters for my turbo alcohol efi dragbike & I would appreciate  if you could give me some feedback on how you found it performed, many thanks 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 24, 2007, 06:11:27 PM
Hi, what a fabulous thread & brilliant workmanship as well, you must be a inspiration to many on this site.  Did you find the F.A.S.T.air fuel meter that you had fitted in you build up, helped you in your tuning of your fuel system also do you run on alcohol?
I have just purchased one of these air fuel meters for my turbo alcohol efi dragbike & I would appreciate  if you could give me some feedback on how you found it performed, many thanks 

Well, when we make a pass we will let you know.  So far we have only run the car on idle trying to get the tune right, so we rreally don't have a whole lot of info on this unit yet.  Thanks for the response.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 24, 2007, 07:03:18 PM
    David
  we run gas,when the engine was at idle it registered lean, 18 or 19 i believe but it was fouling the plugs.Someone in this post said we might have problems getting a correct reading do to the mounting of the sensor to close to the end of the header ''reverse air flow exhaust pulse''. Any how we installed it at the lenght from the port that was suggested. Maybe they were thinking collectors instead of single pipe. No mention of either in instructions,we will be calling tech.
    I hoped we could look at this meter during a run to check if it was lean,if not continue on,instead of partial run, check plugs get back in line.
       Good luck  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 24, 2007, 11:37:20 PM
    David
  we run gas,when the engine was at idle it registered lean, 18 or 19 i believe but it was fouling the plugs.Someone in this post said we might have problems getting a correct reading do to the mounting of the sensor to close to the end of the header ''reverse air flow exhaust pulse''. Any how we installed it at the lenght from the port that was suggested. Maybe they were thinking collectors instead of single pipe. No mention of either in instructions,we will be calling tech.
    I hoped we could look at this meter during a run to check if it was lean,if not continue on,instead of partial run, check plugs get back in line.
       Good luck  JL222

John I'll about bet anything that you are getting reversion up the pipe. 

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/temp-pictures/2727-1.jpg)   

We had that problem with Phil's car in the picture.  You can barely see the sensor in the collector (left arrow).  We were getting erratic and lean readings.  I later moved it up into just one tube (right arrow).  Here is how I diagnosed the problem.  With the car running and data logging and also showing the air/fuel on the laptop computer I slid a longer pipe over the end of the collector and that extended it a couple feet.  The readings went down to rich where we thought they were and weren't erratic anymore.  We then moved the sensor up into the one pipe and still got good readings. 

So with the car idling slide a short length of pipe over the one tube and see if things straighten out.  If it does the other option for you might be to run a siphon tube that is getting gas close to the head but the sensor is down the siphon pipe.  Another benefit of this is it greatly reduces the temperatures on the sensor which can also be a problem.  We run a heat sink on the sensor in Phil's car and in Hooley's car also.

Good luck and what I'm really interested in finding out is if you can make the mechanical fuel injection work with the high boost.  If so I hope you might share a secret or two with us.

C ya,

Sum 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 06, 2008, 05:47:33 PM
Our next crew chief is rapidly getting accustomed to the engine compartment.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_racecarsmile.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=racecarsmile.flv)

Now she is ready to drive fast.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_imgonnadrivefast.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=imgonnadrivefast.flv)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rustyT on January 06, 2008, 07:44:28 PM
bvillercr
With  those little arms and hands she could get to those hard to reach nuts and bolts,if shes looking for work,we are all tired of those scraped knuckles and elbos,so let us know. :-D :-D

                                               Phil.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on January 06, 2008, 09:40:22 PM
She is a cutie and I'd say not camera shy,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 07, 2008, 04:52:27 PM
not usually shy, but is more than one handful.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 07, 2008, 05:53:10 PM

   I got 1st dibbs Phill,and Bvillercr is right on about a double handfull.

            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rustyT on January 08, 2008, 12:12:03 AM
bvillercr
I think we will wait a few years,if she hangs out in your camp,maybe she can later help us get through tech without the hick-ups,who knows,maybe she could talk us into paint and a few new parts :-D
Oh, by the way,I know all about the hands full thing,I have a 15 year old daughter of my own,holy crap man!!!
                                                  Phil.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1212FBGS on January 08, 2008, 03:34:23 AM
Ah 15.... yes I remember those days... hell I was dumber than a stump all ya had to do is ask my daughter she'd tell ya... its funny, now she's 21 and 3rd year of collage...and it seems my iq has risen some, Iím not nearly as dumb as she thought I was..... in a couple of years I just might be a genius.....
kent


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 31, 2008, 04:56:16 PM
getting ready to fire it up again after the changes we made.  I will keep everyone informed as usual. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 03, 2008, 11:47:02 AM
We started the engine sat. after a few changes.  We changed the barrel valve from a blown gas to an unblown fuel valve, we rebuilt our airiation tube larger for helping out at idle, and we also put in another blow off valve on.  We made some changes to the fuel delivery on start up, but that didn't work well so we changed it back.  Once the engine started we had to tinker with the barrel valve a little and it sounded and responded much better.  Just when it started running pretty good, it ran out of gas!!  Luckily I had brought up some gas for my dirt bike and we used it.  All in all we were pleased at the changes that were made.  We had 15 psi at 3800 and next time I will video it and post it. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 06, 2008, 06:35:30 PM
Here is some information on how we keep track of our boost temperature efficiencies.  There is more of an explanation under the technical forum.  This chart is at 70 degree ambient temperature.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1966.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_1967.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 25, 2008, 09:03:36 PM
Our old hood was just too bulky before with the old set up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hood1.jpg)

Now that we have more time to work on the car we can work on the little things that need to be fixed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hood2.jpg)

Now we need to fill the void.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carhood2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carhood.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 27, 2008, 08:53:02 PM
Bought some material to cover the void and we are thinking of leaving the intake uncovered at the windshield.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on March 27, 2008, 09:48:05 PM
Is that work of art sitting in your living room?????


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 28, 2008, 09:56:57 PM
  Almost, its more like were in its space untill we get the house built. Its funny that you say that because we've said the same thing.
        JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on April 01, 2008, 03:12:46 PM
Hey Troy, just a thought, if you extend the "cowl scoop" higher flush to the windshield it might help take away some windshield frontal area (like Hooley's stude).
Brian


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 01, 2008, 04:37:23 PM
Another reason we removed it was because it was a little difficult to see around it.  Not sure at this time if we will cover the intake, we will take a closer look when we get the hole patched up.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 05, 2008, 09:55:27 PM
We have been using a computer program to calculate our potential top speeds at Bonneville.  I will post more data sheets in the technical section after I post here.  The best example we have is with the Summers Brothers streamliner.  We input all of their perameters such as HP, gear ratio, CD, frontal area ect... and the end speed was very accurate.  The time and acceleration innervals are not accurate, because our car accelerates about 20mph every mile from the 2 mile on.  On our car we do not know for sure what HP and CD that our car has, so this program helps predict what we think this car is capable of.  In the near future we will have the car on a 2500hp chasis dyno. 

First is Summers Bros.  Two pictures were taken for all sheets so you could see the numbers more clearly.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/summers1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/summers2.jpg)

I will use the lowest and the highest HP rating here with the CD at .250 for the low HP and .300 for the high HP.  The first picture is as marked on the page 1635hp.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/4.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/41.jpg)


This sheet has a HP rating of 2005 with a CD of .300

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(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/21.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 21, 2008, 09:24:19 PM
Here are some new photos of our hood restoration.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2063.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2062.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2060.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2061.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 09, 2008, 03:46:13 PM
Our plans for the car this year is to dyno it first to get a good tune on it and then run it a speed week.  If all goes well and we have no problems and the lake bed is decent, then maybe Oct. and Nov. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 24, 2008, 09:58:41 AM
Still trying to get a better tune on the engine before the costly trip to the dyno.  We may need to do some work on our barrel valve to make it run better.  I took a video from my helmet cam of our start up it is about 4 minutes long.  On start up this engine and idle this engine continues to foul plugs.  We will eventually figure it out. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_5-23startup.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=5-23startup.flv)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on May 24, 2008, 10:01:08 AM
What is the first event you plan on attending this year?

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 24, 2008, 10:12:52 AM
Were looking at speed week and hopefully finish with Oct. and Nov. El Mirage.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 24, 2008, 12:19:04 PM
All we need is the smell of NITRO to go with the sound. Great stuff and the hard work shows. See you in August. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 24, 2008, 12:47:25 PM
All we need is the smell of NITRO to go with the sound. Great stuff and the hard work shows. See you in August. :-D

I love the smell of race cars in the morning, but we only run gas.  Although we may at one point enter in the fuel class running on gas. :-o  Here is a second video after we leaned out our nossles and the barrel valve.  Hard to hear much difference but there is less black smoke comming out of the zoomies.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/th_secondinmay.jpg) (http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=secondinmay.flv)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 26, 2008, 01:54:48 PM
STOUT!!!!! Man that thing is getting the "Lindey and Legget" sound!! Can't wait to see you in August!!

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 26, 2008, 02:14:23 PM
That's a huge compliment and thanks. :-D  We would love to have their sound and 3/4 of their HP.  Looks like we will be taking the car to a friends airport to test it before we take it to a dyno.  Hate to spend so much money if it won't take a load. :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 26, 2008, 03:10:19 PM
Rex, it's Lindsley & Leggitt, and it does thunder at 300 plus. as well as over 250 at the dry lake. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 26, 2008, 06:32:28 PM
Glen,
As you can know I am an engineer and spelling was never my strong suit!! Thanks for the correction though! Lindsley and Leggitt it is and they are still the best sounding car a B'ville!! and 338 at the 3 mile is certainly Dodge impressive too! Can't wait to see the bvillerer's car come August.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 26, 2008, 07:20:55 PM
Rex, heck man I had to correct it as they are in my club. I had a spelling dictionary when I was engineering, spell check was still new when I retired, you remember the DOS system, man we came a long way since those days. How is the roadster coming and will you be at speed week in about 83 days. :?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on May 26, 2008, 08:47:47 PM
Boy -- I think it would be hard to beat Teague, and the three-second (it seemed) shift into high gear.  I'll admit I'm prejudiced -- all the way back to the roadster doing sprint car things in the blowing dust of El Mirage.  Must be hard to walk around so bow-legged with those huge things in the way.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 26, 2008, 10:02:40 PM
Glenn,
I will be there in August and will be driving my roadster. Trying to get it regestered right now but driving it with my son's 510 Datsun plate as it is not running right now.

Stan Back,
You are right about Al's car great to hear at the 5 mile but I don't think he ever ran 75% like Lindsley and Leggitt.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 26, 2008, 10:34:16 PM
I haven't heard the Lindsey Leggit car make a run only in the pits.  Teague on the other hand was one smooth sounding engine from miles away.  Rex nice roadster.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 27, 2008, 10:20:36 AM
Glen thanks for the e-mail, sounded really good. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 27, 2008, 11:45:59 AM
Great sounds go with the speed, I have been so lucky over the years to time and see the many records set. Hoping yours will be on the list and record book this year.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Drury on May 27, 2008, 11:57:59 AM
The second place winner after Lindsley and Leggit has got to be anything ever belonging to Chauvin Emmons.  That man has never been afraid to "over tip the can".  Of course when you build your own heads, you can afford to melt a few now and then.  Now if he could only keep the car aimed at the finish line.............. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 28, 2008, 10:31:59 PM
didn't Chauvin hit a sh!tter at bonneville a few years back, and then a dike?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 29, 2008, 07:51:58 AM
Nobody's done in one of the little restrooms since I've been on watch, and as for hitting a dike -- hey, this is a family forum.  Watch your sexual innuendos!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on May 29, 2008, 08:24:16 AM
You're killing us out here Jon
 :-D  :-D  :-D   :-D
wait, I need to go find the little rolling laughing guy Deb uses....  8-)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 29, 2008, 08:45:25 AM
Some years back it was Gordon Hoyt that took out the crapper at Bonneville, Emmons hit the one at El Mirage right behind the timing trailer, he also went over the dyke on the salt. There are many old and funny things that have happened over the years.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2008, 09:38:29 AM
Nobody's done in one of the little restrooms since I've been on watch, and as for hitting a dike -- hey, this is a family forum.  Watch your sexual innuendos!

 :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on May 29, 2008, 10:14:47 AM
Glen  -- I agree with you that they're funny in the telling -- after the fact that no one was killed.  I never understood what I heard was the SCTA's ruling to re-license him after he reportedly said he had the talent to "power out" of trouble.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2008, 08:52:30 PM
Glen  -- I agree with you that they're funny in the telling -- after the fact that no one was killed.  I never understood what I heard was the SCTA's ruling to re-license him after he reportedly said he had the talent to "power out" of trouble.

That's the problem, if he thinks he can power out of a problem he is already in a loosing battle. :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 29, 2008, 09:00:58 PM
Loud sounding, thundering cars of the past:  Jerry Jones in the modified  roadster.

He was loud when thunder was still quiet.

FreuD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2008, 09:06:05 PM
How about Fred in his Modified Roadster.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 29, 2008, 09:15:21 PM
When we discuss the sound while running.......Jerry Jones wins.

When we discuss the sound of puking.....Freddie has the misfortune of winning that contest until he
installed the dry sump.

FerD



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2008, 09:40:34 PM
When we discuss the sound while running.......Jerry Jones wins.

When we discuss the sound of puking.....Freddie has the misfortune of winning that contest until he
installed the dry sump.

FerD



He did have some puking problems didn't he. :-)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 05, 2008, 01:57:51 PM
Great sounds go with the speed, I have been so lucky over the years to time and see the many records set. Hoping yours will be on the list and record book this year.

We hope so too. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 09, 2008, 11:37:10 PM
We measured our roll cage for the new roll bar padding and will order soon from Butler.  Here is a picture of our funny car style cage.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2093.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on June 10, 2008, 12:22:35 AM
Sounds and Speed----I sure liked my Lakester sound better with 20" Stacks :-D bettter than with a 18"X 4" collector headers---just sounds like a Roadster now at speed!!!!!!!!!!! :-(


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 13, 2008, 01:19:53 AM
   These pads are what are required in top fuel and funny car, more info at GARVIN MOTORSPORTS.COM


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 26, 2008, 11:01:39 PM
Our instant center is 102 inches.  So that equates to 4 1/2 inches back from the center line of the front wheels.  102 inches was not as far as I thought it was, but still out there.  The % of rise was 8% or 1 1/4 inches and the center of gravity was at 15 1/2.  Our car is an Alston full chasis set up so what works for us might not work for you. 


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0197.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0198.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_0199.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on June 26, 2008, 11:03:10 PM
Man I hope you guys run good this year!!

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 26, 2008, 11:07:02 PM
Today we did some filing on our old barrel valve and started the car up.  The throttle response was much crisper, so we think we are getting closer.  We will get the car on the dyno soooooon. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 27, 2008, 02:37:24 PM
   To anybody thats interrested
 
Thought i would try to explain all those lines The straight line next to the car represents the ground then we square off the center lines off the wheels [or axles] the mounting holes for the 4link and the weight distribution point of the car. Then we measure the height at the center of the bolts of the 4link bars 2 in front 2 in back [bars are 24- 21''long] then we transfer those numbers to the floor off the square lines then we snap a line off the two top and two bottom marks. Where they meet is called the instant center the distance is measured from rear axle center line to convergence point [102'' for us].
 Next we calculate the percentage of rise. The center of gravity of car [camshaft height recomended by Alston] and mark that number on the floor squared off the weight distribution point [15.5''for us]
 Then we snap a line from center of rear wheel [marked on floor] to instant center point.the percentage of rise is calculaded by dividing the center of gravity by the inches from the ground where the snapped line crosses the center of gravity line.[in our case 1.25 divided by15.5=8%
   Hope this helps bville racers understand 4links better.With several different mounting holes one can change weight transfer and force to the tires.
 
                                                JL222

 

 
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on June 27, 2008, 03:37:25 PM
   To anybody thats interrested
 
Thought i would try to explain all those lines The straight line next to the car represents the ground then we square off the center lines off the wheels [or axles] the mounting holes for the 4link and the weight distribution point of the car. Then we measure the height at the center of the bolts of the 4link bars 2 in front 2 in back [bars are 24- 21''long] then we transfer those numbers to the floor off the square lines then we snap a line off the two top and two bottom marks. Where they meet is called the instant center the distance is measured from rear axle center line to convergence point [102'' for us].
 Next we calculate the percentage of rise. The center of gravity of car [camshaft height recomended by Alston] and mark that number on the floor squared off the weight distribution point [15.5''for us]
 Then we snap a line from center of rear wheel [marked on floor] to instant center point.the percentage of rise is calculaded by dividing the center of gravity by the inches from the ground where the snapped line crosses the center of gravity line.[in our case 15.5 divided by1.25=8%
   Hope this helps bville racers understand 4links better.With several different mounting holes one can change weight transfer and force to the tires.
                                                  JL222

John thanks for putting all the time into posting this.  Now I have a question, as always, and bear in mind that I know next to nothing about 4 link setups, but I thought they were mainly used to help with the launch at the drag strip and wonder how they effect our relatively slow accelerating cars.  I did find the following link that helped me to understand the versatility of them on the drag strip.......

http://www.baselinesuspensions.com/info/Launching_A_Drag_Car.htm

.......... I guess the question I have is can they do much for us in improving our speeds?

Thanks,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 28, 2008, 12:51:20 AM
    Sum
  In our case by lowering the instant center their is less hit to the tires, or less shock.The light springs do the same thing. If landspeed racers ever read Carroll Smith's book they would get a lot of ideas on wheelspin and how to control it. Most of the problems are wheel rates to high. worse case, solid suspension which he says the wheel rates go to infinity.His book is on roadracing but the principles are the same.
  Years ago freinds of mine had a modified roadster with wheelspin problems, by scaling the chassis [directions out of Alston book] we could see that they were really planting the tires.In their case a simple fix was to drill bolt holes higher in the top foward brackets,this solved the problem. Engine in roadster is 1925 chev 4cyl. As carroll Smith says don't equate wheelspin with hp.
  Any how a 4link allows the instant center to be set at a longer and lower spot than a latter bar are other systems.
  hope this helps.
                             JL222
 

       ps    if you ever get a chance to push down on a sprint cars rear supension
you would be amazed at how soft it is.



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on June 28, 2008, 08:56:39 AM
    Sum
  In our case by lowering the instant center their is less hit to the tires, or less shock.The light springs do the same thing. If landspeed racers ever read Carroll Smith's book they would get a lot of ideas on wheelspin and how to control it. Most of the problems are wheel rates to high. worse case, solid suspension which he says the wheel rates go to infinity.His book is on roadracing but the principles are the same.
  Years ago freinds of mine had a modified roadster with wheelspin problems, by scaling the chassis [directions out of Alston book] we could see that they were really planting the tires.In their case a simple fix was to drill bolt holes higher in the top foward brackets,this solved the problem. Engine in roadster is 1925 chev 4cyl. As carroll Smith says don't equate wheelspin with hp.
  Any how a 4link allows the instant center to be set at a longer and lower spot than a latter bar are other systems.
  hope this helps.
                             JL222
 

       ps    if you ever get a chance to push down on a sprint cars rear supension
you would be amazed at how soft it is.

Thanks, I guess I'll have to see about that book and study up on this some,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 05, 2008, 11:13:27 PM
Pops is working on a new rear spoiler for the car should be done soon.  I will post pictures when I can. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on July 07, 2008, 09:12:00 PM
Troy,

Please let us know soon. I hope I explained the options to him correctly.

DW


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2008, 09:18:19 PM
Troy,

Please let us know soon. I hope I explained the options to him correctly.

DW

Dan, I'm going up there tomorrow night to put our new 8000# wench on the trailer.  I will take multiple photos of how it is and if we need to change anything please let us know. 
   


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2008, 09:23:31 PM
Oh, on another note we have an oppointment at the dyno shop next week on Wednesday night.  It will be a late one so I will post photos and a video on Thursday or Friday. :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 07, 2008, 09:34:06 PM
bvillercr, How do keep  the transmission on your procharger together?  Have you guys had any problems when you have to pedal the car or go to shift?  I picked up a F2 unit, and I am thinking about going away from the gilmer belts that they only run with to a serpentine belt so I can get some slip. I have herd stories of the transmission blowing on high RPM shifts.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 07, 2008, 09:50:32 PM
On our new Procharger F3R-139, we haven't put any runs on it.  On our old D2's the only problem we had was running two inch belts, but we also ran two blowers on that one belt.  Once we went to the 3 inchers we haven't had any problems.  We also try to back off the throttle just a bit before we shift.  The only real problem we had was breaking the input shaft on our tranny from the power of the Procharger. :-D  The serpentine belt will work as long as it doesn't slip, they use the Gilmer for a good reason. :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: comp on July 07, 2008, 10:15:42 PM
 WOW great thread  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 07, 2008, 11:59:59 PM
bvillercr, How do keep  the transmission on your procharger together?  Have you guys had any problems when you have to pedal the car or go to shift?  I picked up a F2 unit, and I am thinking about going away from the gilmer belts that they only run with to a serpentine belt so I can get some slip. I have herd stories of the transmission blowing on high RPM shifts.


   maguromic
 We have had plenty of problems over the years with the centrifugals mostly from driving two blowers with one belt. The problem is that the driver side blower drives the passenger side blower putting twice the power requirements on it. So the driver side is the one we usually have problems with. When we went 288 the overdrive trans slipped causing the engine to over rev catching a valve -backfiring and blowing the blowers off. none of the problems we've had could be blamed on the manufactures because we were using two blowers to get the cfm and boost needed for our big engine,which they were not designed for.We were real happy when procharger made the F3R-139 4000 cfm blower which enables us to use just one blower.
 Good luck with your F2 what motor and car? The WW2 aero engines had slip clutches to take the shock loads off the trans gears when they shifted into high blower gear. I wonder if we'll ever catch up?

                                        JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 08, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
  JL222

Thanks for the info.  My concern was that a friend of mine was racing up Piles Peak last year and he had a F1R and at high RPM  shifts he blew the transmission in the head unit. For this year he built a belt drive gear system for the transmission.  Also Doug Robinson mentioned that he had problems with his hybrid supercharger till he went to a  "V" belt. 

My F2 is going on a GMC XO motor and still haven't decided to build a gear drive and eliminate the belt on the supercharger or some style of belt.  Still investigating the problems, it seems that the shaft in the transmission that the gears ride on is the culprit.  Its too small for the high rpm and when you go to shift the shaft flexes throwing the gear alignment off and BOOM.  I was reading that the early Miller and Offy blowers had very smiler problems till they devised way to fix it.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 08, 2008, 11:59:03 PM
Here are a few photos of our old spoiler and what the new one will look like.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2118.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2117.jpg)

The new one is almost complete.  Dan the spoiler is less than 8 inches down.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2122.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2121.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2119.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 01:58:41 AM
  JL222

Thanks for the info.  My concern was that a friend of mine was racing up Piles Peak last year and he had a F1R and at high RPM  shifts he blew the transmission in the head unit. For this year he built a belt drive gear system for the transmission.  Also Doug Robinson mentioned that he had problems with his hybrid supercharger till he went to a  "V" belt. 

My F2 is going on a GMC XO motor and still haven't decided to build a gear drive and eliminate the belt on the supercharger or some style of belt.  Still investigating the problems, it seems that the shaft in the transmission that the gears ride on is the culprit.  Its too small for the high rpm and when you go to shift the shaft flexes throwing the gear alignment off and BOOM.  I was reading that the early Miller and Offy blowers had very smiler problems till they devised way to fix it.

  I'm not to familiar with the F2 but i believe the gear case is machined from solid billitt as our F3R 139 is, go to page 6 of this build to see comparison between the F3R and one of our D2's. The gear case is way bigger than the D2 and we didn't have problems with the D2's which were machined castings.

  How many times are you going to shift on a bville run compared to Pikes peak?
  There is a company in Arizona that makes a gear drive that bolts in front of the motor and uses quick change gears [i believe]
that we looked into but we did'nt have enough room for it and it cost 3000$. Procharger has the phone#.
 Like bvillercr says they run cogs on their race blowers for a reason.
 Doug only runs about 15lbs boost, put in 25 or 30 and make it come alive. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222


 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 09, 2008, 09:17:20 AM
The Supercharger Store ----makes the gear drive unit ofr Prochargers---they have a web site!! great guys---


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2008, 09:51:30 AM
We got most of the winch completed, here a couple pictures.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2123.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2124.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2008, 10:53:48 AM
Here's a link to the supercharger store.


http://www.thesuperchargerstore.com/


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 09, 2008, 11:26:44 AM
............................. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222

So are you going to the carb??  Also are you going to put spill plates on top of the spoiler and run them to the axle?

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on July 09, 2008, 11:29:02 AM
Troy,

That looks fine as long as it is not over 10" long.

DW


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 09, 2008, 11:34:16 AM
The housing is on the F2 is like the F3R, the problem that I have heard from more than one person (some drag guys as well) is the shaft wobbling inside.  With it spinning at 60,000 rmp, thats a lot of bearing and gear speed.  My friend blew his trans out before he got into high gear.  I am not knocking Procharger, just trying to find a solution before it becomes a problem.

I also looked at the supercharger store gear drive.  the two problems it has is it needs 14" in front of my engine, which I don't have and like you mentioned its $3000.  I am designing a gear drive to run all my pumps off the timing gear and the way I am leaning is to run a extra gear and step it to so I can run the blower at 8.5 to1.  So it will have the 5.4 to 1 in the trans and the second set on the step up will bring the final to 8.5 to 1. 

I also looked at running a 3" 15 rib belt.  When I have all this figured out I will post a picture.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 09, 2008, 12:38:26 PM
Troy, nice winch. Looks just like the one we are going to use this year. Last year we had one of those cheap 3500lb rolling winch you can get from summit, what a piece of s***. It would never spool right and always jam at the worst time when loading. Anyone putting a winch on your trailer, do your self a favor and get a good one at least 6000Lb Warn or Mile Marker.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2008, 02:47:59 PM
Troy, nice winch. Looks just like the one we are going to use this year. Last year we had one of those cheap 3500lb rolling winch you can get from summit, what a piece of s***. It would never spool right and always jam at the worst time when loading. Anyone putting a winch on your trailer, do your self a favor and get a good one at least 6000Lb Warn or Mile Marker.

Same with us, when we get the car half way in the old winch would lag and stop pulling.  It was a 4500# and this is an 8000#, should do the trick.  We will find out Tuesday night if it works.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 03:36:38 PM
............................. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222

So are you going to the carb??  Also are you going to put spill plates on top of the spoiler and run them to the axle?

c ya,

Sum

 Hi Sum
 The carb suggestion was for Magourmic, will stick with the mechancal for now unless i get completly frustrated.The guys at the dyno shop our FAST electronic dealers which i was glad to find out because they are less than 20 min from me.
 Will stick with existing spill plates for now and just add the bottom pieces. We hope to improve the airflow and downforce with them. The prostock guys don't use top spill plates and run their spoilers pretty flat.I talked to one pro stock guy a while back who said he would run the top spill plates if NHRA would let him.

                      JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 03:56:05 PM
Troy,

That looks fine as long as it is not over 10" long.

DW

   Hi Dan
 Thanks for getting right back on the spoiler. I was waiting for you to reply before i went any further.Anyhow its to Dodge hot to work on it this afternoon, suppost to reach 112 degrees today,got to get things done in the morning.

                     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 09, 2008, 04:17:58 PM
............................. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222

So are you going to the carb??  Also are you going to put spill plates on top of the spoiler and run them to the axle?

c ya,

Sum

 Hi Sum
 The carb suggestion was for Magourmic, will stick with the mechancal for now unless i get completly frustrated.The guys at the dyno shop our FAST electronic dealers which i was glad to find out because they are less than 20 min from me.
 Will stick with existing spill plates for now and just add the bottom pieces. We hope to improve the airflow and downforce with them. The prostock guys don't use top spill plates and run their spoilers pretty flat.I talked to one pro stock guy a while back who said he would run the top spill plates if NHRA would let him.

                      JL222


Adding the tops would do two things.  One help with adding and moving the CP rearwards and two keeping the air on the spoiler and not letting it "spill" off the sides, also helping to keep the car running straight.  I would also keep the spoiler flat like you plan on doing.  I'm sure the two reasons I stated is why the pro stock guy would run them if allowed, especially #2.

I have wondered how to run the mechanical fuel injection and have it boost reference in case we went to a turbo set-up for Hooley's Stude and then the injectors would be seeing the boost pressure on them, which they aren't now since they are before the blower.  I didn't see a way and felt that would be a stumbling block,  but was told by a poster on here that there is a way and that he would explain it the next time he sees me.  I'll let him decide if he should jump in here and explain it publicly.

I'm anxious for your dyno run and the results  :-).  Good luck with that and I sure want to see you guys go fast this year.  You have sure put a lot of effort into the car and a good speed would be a good reward.

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 05:31:38 PM
............................. After messing with mechanical fuel injection i suggest blowing into a big 4 barrel carb. Their's an engine builder making over 1700 hp with a big chev an F2 -4 Barrel -pump gas and cog belt. Steve Morrison i believe.

                           Good luck  JL222

So are you going to the carb??  Also are you going to put spill plates on top of the spoiler and run them to the axle?

c ya,

Sum

 Hi Sum
 The carb suggestion was for Magourmic, will stick with the mechancal for now unless i get completly frustrated.The guys at the dyno shop our FAST electronic dealers which i was glad to find out because they are less than 20 min from me.
 Will stick with existing spill plates for now and just add the bottom pieces. We hope to improve the airflow and downforce with them. The prostock guys don't use top spill plates and run their spoilers pretty flat.I talked to one pro stock guy a while back who said he would run the top spill plates if NHRA would let him.

                      JL222


Adding the tops would do two things.  One help with adding and moving the CP rearwards and two keeping the air on the spoiler and not letting it "spill" off the sides, also helping to keep the car running straight.  I would also keep the spoiler flat like you plan on doing.  I'm sure the two reasons I stated is why the pro stock guy would run them if allowed, especially #2.

I have wondered how to run the mechanical fuel injection and have it boost reference in case we went to a turbo set-up for Hooley's Stude and then the injectors would be seeing the boost pressure on them, which they aren't now since they are before the blower.  I didn't see a way and felt that would be a stumbling block,  but was told by a poster on here that there is a way and that he would explain it the next time he sees me.  I'll let him decide if he should jump in here and explain it publicly.

I'm anxious for your dyno run and the results  :-).  Good luck with that and I sure want to see you guys go fast this year.  You have sure put a lot of effort into the car and a good speed would be a good reward.

c ya,

Sum

 Sum

Hilborn Fuel Injection makes a system for turbochargers that we tried to use at one time but just used part of the system,which is why it didn't work out.Go to page 9 of this build and you will see the boost referancing device.(on the fuel tank between my hands) the fuel returns from the barell valve and a boost line goes in on the other side as boost goes up it restricts fuel flow and richens the engine. You can also change the restriction in the boost line.Their system requires two separate nozles -8 idle -8-high speed.and various check valves. They used their systems on the Offy engines at Indy for years.their web site shows their system but not the whole picture as what is needed on the air bleeds on the idle or low speed circuit.
 We will stick with our old spill plates for now as they have worked for us in the past,and the bottom plates are easy to make.

         JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 09, 2008, 05:39:41 PM
I have incorporated part of the Hilborn stuff along with Enderly and Kinsler into my fuel injection system. The Offy "GURU" Stewart Van Dyne is designing the system for me.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 05:51:24 PM
I have incorporated part of the Hilborn stuff along with Enderly and Kinsler into my fuel injection system. The Offy "GURU" Stewart Van Dyne is designing the system for me.

 Its good to have an expert with real experiance in your corner.I hope you can tell us all about it.

  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 09, 2008, 08:27:57 PM
.........................Hilborn Fuel Injection makes a system for turbochargers that we tried to use at one time but just used part of the system,which is why it didn't work out.Go to page 9 of this build and you will see the boost referancing device.(on the fuel tank between my hands) the fuel returns from the barell valve and a boost line goes in on the other side as boost goes up it restricts fuel flow and richens the engine. You can also change the restriction in the boost line.Their system requires two separate nozles -8 idle -8-high speed.and various check valves. They used their systems on the Offy engines at Indy for years.their web site shows their system but not the whole picture as what is needed on the air bleeds on the idle or low speed circuit.............

Thanks for that explanation.  That makes sense and I went to their site and saw the parts you are talking about.  With EFI you usually boost reference the fuel pump and have it follow the boost up normally adding 1 lb. of pressure for each lb. of boost.  With the Hilborn sensor valve is there any kind of direct correlation or do you just have to put it on the dyno and adjust on it to get the tune you want??  Hopefully what I'm asking makes sense.

Thanks,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 09, 2008, 09:16:41 PM
JL222

I am lucky that Stewart is helping on this project.  Among others he has shortened the learning curve as well as the damaged parts.  As I get the set up together I will post pictures. Still trying to get all my ducks to gather to start a build page.  Itís hard to push things to get done when your getting freebies and friends helping you get things done.

Sum, since I am running a vintage motor, the fuel injection is mechanical and from what Stewart tells me. All of the adjusting and tuning will be done on the dyno.  With his check valve system I can put  a fuel curve with the mechanical injection.  For a better explanation you might want to give Stewart a call, he is in the rulebook.

For those of you who don't know Stewart Van Dyne, he was the head engine builder at Drake Offy and built the Indy 500 winning engine in Mark Donahue's car among other winning Offy engines.  He is also one innovator when it comes to engines and built them for stream liners to roadsters.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 09, 2008, 10:25:55 PM
If I get this thing to post it should be a picture of an Offy engine on the dyno at Drake Engineering around 1981. The serial number is: "The Last Offy" and I think Steward and John Drake built it for John Mallard. Not sure of the name. The pic is of the motor at 9500 rpm and making around 780 hp at 56 inches of boost. Offys and stock  blocks were given 56 inches and Cosworths ran at 49, I think. Chuck Kendal presently has the engine in his collection. I took the picture with my old Minolta 35 mm standing in the dyno room. What a blast!!!

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2008, 11:06:22 PM
If I get this thing to post it should be a picture of an Offy engine on the dyno at Drake Engineering around 1981. The serial number is: "The Last Offy" and I think Steward and John Drake built it for John Mallard. Not sure of the name. The pic is of the motor at 9500 rpm and making around 780 hp at 56 inches of boost. Offys and stock  blocks were given 56 inches and Cosworths ran at 49, I think. Chuck Kendal presently has the engine in his collection. I took the picture with my old Minolta 35 mm standing in the dyno room. What a blast!!!

Rex

Rex -Magourmic
 great picture Rex, 56'' is only 13 or 14 lbs boost, does Stewart or any body know what the boost and HP levels were before they put limits on.Turbos and especialy centrifugals.

                  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 10, 2008, 12:25:04 AM
JL222

I donít know if it was Rex or Stewart that told me, their was a Offy turbo on the dyno at Dan Gurneyís and the throttle stuck on it.  To stop it they started loading the dyno.  Finally when the dust cleared the dyno read either 1000 or 1200 HP.  Not bad for a 4 cylinder designed in the 40ís

Does anybody know the numbers for the Offy that George Parker ran in his stream liner?  I think it had a turbo.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
The sides on the spoiler are finished.  The paint needs to dry and then installed.  I will be up working on the winch and starting the car one final time so we can adjust the valves before we take it to the dyno on Wednesday.  I will take pictures on Tuesday and post that night.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2008, 09:43:14 PM
Today we got a good start on preparing the car for Bonneville.  We did a little fiberglass work on the front end, one more coat and it should be done.  Finished the installation of the winch, which works great.  We started the car again today and it sounded better than previous starts.  Going to the dyno tomorrow night.  The side plates are finished and we did a little touch up painting to some of the bad spots on our rear fender.  The car is all loaded up and ready to go to the dyno.  Here are a few pictures of the rear spoiler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2129.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2128.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2126.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mtkawboy on July 16, 2008, 06:01:44 PM
All I get on the picture is 404-attachment not found. Dont know what Im doing wrong. Car looks great !!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 16, 2008, 06:20:26 PM
if your refering to the pictures above I can see them.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 16, 2008, 06:46:01 PM
Me too, but I know there are issues in some parts of the website, ie: Max's build.

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 12:10:06 PM
had a long night at the dyno shop and going back this evening.  Have some pictures and video I need to download still.  The car sounds like a beast.  More to come later.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 17, 2008, 02:06:17 PM
had a long night at the dyno shop and going back this evening.  Have some pictures and video I need to download still.  The car sounds like a beast.  More to come later.

  The loud exhaust was vibrating the dyno computer hard drive so much that it would shut off the readings, so they stuck it in another room. Another pull later the sound blew out one bank of floresent lights ( about 12 ft high) and made all the lights go on and off rapidly.A long night, decided to quit at 3 am and go back at 6 pm today. Getting close on air fuel ratio -then change timeing- then full pull. I was amazed at how much they load the dyno,really makes the engine grunt.
    JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 04:54:18 PM
Here are some photos of the car on the dyno. I will try to download a video a little later. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2134.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2133.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2132.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 05:34:33 PM
First dyno attempt, only on the throttle for a few seconds to get a good Air/fuel ratio.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9Gf2jXQa4


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 05:50:59 PM
Here is the second video, still trying to get a better tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fla0GfFhd34


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on July 17, 2008, 07:05:22 PM
Thanks for the videos and good luck tonight.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 17, 2008, 07:13:22 PM
This was the last video of the night and you can hear the engine sounding better.  We leaned it out more but didn't start it.  I will be leaving for the dyno again in a few minutes but wanted to get this one last video in.  Hope the videos are not overkill, because there will be at least two more after these.  Be back later tonight.  Enjoy. :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPhCP1pfBxI


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2008, 01:31:43 AM
Well, we got some numbers..... You ready for these, because i'm so excited i'm shaking while i'm typing. :-D  Torque numbers as of now, at the rear wheel is 1969.  Horsepower at the rear wheel, number is as of now 2093.8 and still needs about 32% more fuel. :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 18, 2008, 03:58:26 AM
Well, we got some numbers..... You ready for these, because i'm so excited i'm shaking while i'm typing. :-D  Torque numbers as of now, at the rear wheel is 1969.  Horsepower at the rear wheel, number is as of now 2093.8 and still needs about 32% more fuel. :-D :-D :-D

  We ran out of pills and nozzles still lean on the top end. Going to try and use the boost sensing device to get more fuel on the top rpm's and less on the lower rpm's. 2093 hp at 5950 rpm.Were happy but they say there is more.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 18, 2008, 08:20:23 AM
Whoa -- the word "stout" comes to mind.  And there's more, they tell you?  Good luck. . .


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2008, 09:46:38 AM
I have to give the guys at Precision Auto a lot of cudos for helping us get to this number.  I would recommend there dyno to anyone near and around the Central valley in Cali.  They are pretty excited about the results as well, the previous best on their dyno was 1700hp.  We are not done testing there because we need to get the fuel curve better adjusted at the low rpms and get more fuel at the top.  My last video of the car on the dyno for awhile. :-D :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxH3Ltv9o0


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 18, 2008, 11:44:06 AM
I have to give the guys at Precision Auto a lot of cudos for helping us get to this number.  I would recommend there dyno to anyone near and around the Central valley in Cali.  They are pretty excited about the results as well, the previous best on there dyno was 1700hp.  We are not done testing there because we need to get the fuel curve better adjusted at the low rpms and get more fuel at the top.  My last video of the car on the dyno for awhile. :-D :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxH3Ltv9o0

Unbelievable guys!!   

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 18, 2008, 02:22:12 PM
You might win the "most pony's on the salt award"
good job guy's!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on July 18, 2008, 07:20:30 PM
I have to give the guys at Precision Auto a lot of cudos for helping us get to this number.

Is that Justin Sharp at Precision Auto in Fresno?  Sounds like his voice on the last video...

Nick 3rd.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2008, 07:44:18 PM
I have to give the guys at Precision Auto a lot of cudos for helping us get to this number.

Is that Justin Sharp at Precision Auto in Fresno?  Sounds like his voice on the last video...

Nick 3rd.

Sounds like you know him.  Yeah great guy and knows his stuff.  He and his co-worker have a lot great ideas brewing in their heads.  Justin Sharp and his co-worker is Justin as well.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2008, 08:16:54 PM
Here is a video during the day.  We were having some difficulties with our MSD box and timing.  Anyway I chose this video to give thanks to the two guys working this shop.  Justin is in the car working the motor, and Owner Justin Sharp is the one walking in and out of the video screen and he is running the computer in the other room.  Thanks again J and J.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qURIkpGPZ5A


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 19, 2008, 12:26:25 PM
GREAT----what fun---you guys just have to be about to P on yourselves for excitement about the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! best of luck!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 19, 2008, 12:40:33 PM
GREAT----what fun---you guys just have to be about to P on yourselves for excitement about the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! best of luck!!!!!!!!!


    Your right Sparky. The only trouble is that its so rich on the bottom end at that hp level it might not take the gas at bville. We will be working on that problem next week.
     Good luck with your lakester and go fast!

                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on July 19, 2008, 04:51:10 PM
That is just awesome guys,I hope you get it tuned out the rest of the way before b-ville.
By the way did you have a number on your old setup ?
Congrats once again !


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 19, 2008, 07:51:51 PM
That is just awesome guys,I hope you get it tuned out the rest of the way before b-ville.
By the way did you have a number on your old setup ?
Congrats once again !

    fast Evo
  Go to page 16 to view timeslips pg 18 to view projected speeds the new hp levels put the speeds way up there,
but doing it is another thing.
     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 20, 2008, 12:26:25 AM
might be doing you a favor---might not have to wory about blowing the tires off leaving the line


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2008, 07:53:39 PM
when it is that rich on the bottom it just wont take the gas.  We will get it right so we can leave hard. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on July 21, 2008, 05:40:34 PM
Holy moly - that thing's got some beans!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 21, 2008, 11:51:49 PM
first off the tabs on forum are not working properly, took a while to find the right toolbar.  Anyway we ordered some new parts today.  New ignition(programable digital 7 plus), larger fuel line comming from the shut off valve, a few different size nosles and a new tach.  We also received our new head safety padding. Plenty to do still. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 21, 2008, 11:54:09 PM
What size's are you guys running for fuel line and the returns, -10 and -8 or -8 and -6?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2008, 12:09:05 AM
from the tank to the pump the line is a 12, from the shut off to the barrel valve was a 6 and will be an 8.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 22, 2008, 12:19:28 AM
Just curious what size pump takes a -12?  I have a waterman 700 for my F2 and was thinking of going with -10 and -8.  Boy, and I  thought that was big. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2008, 12:40:00 AM
the pump is an 80a, 7.3 gpm


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on July 22, 2008, 12:27:48 PM

Sounds like you know him.  Yeah great guy and knows his stuff.  He and his co-worker have a lot great ideas brewing in their heads.  Justin Sharp and his co-worker is Justin as well.

Yes Troy, Justin is a good customer of mine.  He builds and tunes some bad @ss Toyota Supras and Hondas.  They know their stuff.

Nick 3rd.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2008, 02:19:05 PM
  Update on whats going on.The pump is a Enderly 80a flows 7.3 gal min on Joe Bogasian's flow bench. A few people thought we needed a bigger fuel pump but Jim at Enderly Thought we were still bypassing plenty of fuel and a bigger pump would just make it richer on the bottom end. Ordered more jets and waiting on them.
The problem with centrifugal and turbos is the boost and airflow come up on the square of the rpm so the fuel pump can't keep up. To solve the problem we will start tuning with the boost sensing device mounted on the fuel tank ( had it for years but to hard to tune with out dyno) this device senses the boost and restricts the flow from the barrel valve making the system richer as the boost comes up. Boost line from intake manifold on one side of sensor valve, fuel line return to tank on barrel valve on other side. also has what is called an A valve in line with boost line which is just a device to change a jet.The bigger the jet or (pill) the more boost the sensor sees and richens the system on the top end. Just what we need.
  Also ordered a new tach ( Auto Meter 9000rpm with 80 sec playback) This  will enable us to replay the entire run on the tach and show shift points and tire spin.(way cool). $239.88 from Summit.
  New MSD programable digital-7 plus ignition and digital-7 programmer from Jegs.com. You can do a lot with the timing with this ignition but i've always wanted one because of the ability to set how fast the engine revs.
This has allowed the 10.5'' dragtire doorslamers to go over 200mph at the drags. I've recommended this ignition in the past to solve wheelspin problems,so in a way i'am sort of glad the other ignition was acting up so i had an excuse to buy this one (except for the cost) and so close to beville.
 Our new rollcage padding arrived yesterday but the car is still on the dyno so can't install.
 Parts should be hear tomorrow install thursday.
 SPECIAL thanks to my understanding and supportive wife Linda.

                JL222
  



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 22, 2008, 02:52:16 PM
John thanks for the added info.  I imagine you have already done this, but how many by-pass circuits do you run with the barrel valve?  I'm only smart enough to ask the question, but Tom has sent me info before on running more circuits to help with the fuel demands at idle, part throttle and full throttle and even more if needed.  I don't know if there is an answer there somewhere or not?

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2008, 03:30:03 PM
John thanks for the added info.  I imagine you have already done this, but how many by-pass circuits do you run with the barrel valve?  I'm only smart enough to ask the question, but Tom has sent me info before on running more circuits to help with the fuel demands at idle, part throttle and full throttle and even more if needed.  I don't know if there is an answer there somewhere or not?

c ya,

Sum

  Hi Sum
 we just run one .With the hilborn setup they run 8 idle or low speed nozzles with check valve and 8 high speed nozzles , a bit complicated for me with no flow bench. + they have the boost sensing valve. We might be able to put a check valve before the barrel valve. We have an E valve that restricts flow at idle, but it didn't seem to help.
  Some of those check valves are set up after the barrel valve which we can't do with out changing every thing.
   also on the Hilborn set up it seems they had two returns to the tank.

                                   JL222                  


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 22, 2008, 04:16:47 PM
I really admire guys that tackle constant flow injection for something like your engine. It is so huge and has so many really expensive parts, many of which can turn into junk with a small mistake on injector tuning. Constant flow injection tuning all gets down to trying to control the fuel pressure at the injector nozzle and the flow thru the nozzle is not directly proportional to the pressure it is related a square root function of pressure ratios and now your blower out put is big time non linear plus the barrel valve is a variable orifice. How do you do it!!!! I can see getting it to run at WOT but anything below that is just a big compromise. Of course it seems that electronic injection could be the answer but for a motor of the size you have plus the power that you are making the injector size gets huge!! You would probably need an injector that would flow 200 lbs/hr which is huge! Which shows one of the advantages of constant flow injection and that is you can really pour some fuel into big engines like yours at WOT. If you use a BSFC number of around .6 lb/hp-hr your engine would need about 1260 lbs of fuel per hour which is about 2.5 gallons per minute flow required from your pump which is rated at 7.3 gpm at WOT so you certainly have sufficient pump for WOT. Someone needs to make an electronic constant flow injection system. Use an electronic proportional pressure relief valve and then map the fuel system pressure required to provide the correct flow thru the injector nozzles at various engine speeds and loads, just like you would do with a electronic injection system that uses plus width injectors. Then you would have lots of fuel flow potential for big motors and you could more easily make the fuel curve fit the engines needs.

I cannot wait to see you guys in August!! You are my heros!

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 22, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
............. Of course it seems that electronic injection could be the answer but for a motor of the size you have plus the power that you are making the injector size gets huge!! You would probably need an injector that would flow 200 lbs/hr which is huge! ...............

Probably the reason some use two sets of injectors.  Rex be sure and talk to me about this at Speed Week.  We are data logging fuel pressure I think in the distribution block and we only have one set of injectors in the hat for both low speed and WOT.  We are data logging, but not really knowing what to do with that info at this time.  Now bring me things we can try and accomplish without dyno time, which is pretty much out of the question for us expense wise.  Also I need to understand it, while you were graduating in engineering at the U. of Wyo. I switch to something easier  8-).

c ya in a few weeks and yes they are my heroes also and I love to hear that motor,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2008, 10:27:12 PM
 Rex and Sum
 The guys at Precision Auto said they would use two 160 lb per hr injectors per cylinder if we went electronic but i would like to do it with the mechanical. But not going to be stubborn about changing, to late this year anyhow.
 Hope to see both of you at Bville.

          JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 22, 2008, 10:59:27 PM
   I ordered the new tach from Summit yesterday about 6 pm got an email from them shortly after saying it had been shipped  and it was delivered today at 5 pm and i'm at the end of the route! Pretty good huh? I'm about 25 miles east of Fresno Ca. and Summit is in Reno Nevada. Over the Sierra mountains.

                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on July 23, 2008, 09:31:49 AM
Sumner, I have seen as many as three electronic fuel injectors per cylinder on some drag cars running on alcohol. My injectors are 150 lb per hour size and I have used a very small amount of duty cycles, however my engine is nothing like JL's. I sure hope they run good after all the work and $$$$$$$$$.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2008, 12:03:05 AM
  I was on my way to Precision Auto at 12.oo today (wed) to meet Troy and install new tach-fuel and boost lines, and there was the new ignition from Jegs at the gate. Where out in the country so they do that if the gate is closed. Any how ordered monday eve and had it wed morning, (25 bucks more for 2nd day from Ohio though) .So we were able to install the ignition also. Ready to fire but waiting on pills and nozzel jets.

       JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on July 24, 2008, 12:50:00 PM
Rex and Sum
 The guys at Precision Auto said they would use two 160 lb per hr injectors per cylinder if we went electronic but i would like to do it with the mechanical. But not going to be stubborn about changing, to late this year anyhow.
 Hope to see both of you at Bville.

          JL222

That's funny that you posted this. I was reading this post from where I left off last time and I was going to suggest that you use 2 sets of 160 pounders and an electronic engine managment system and that thing would purrr like a kitten and then roar like a lion. But I totally understand if you want to run the mechanical injection because it is pretty cool but it will never run as good as a well tuned electronic setup.

I should of clarified myself when I asked you if you had a number on the car, what I meant was did you have a previous hp number that you ran your last speed numbers with.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2008, 12:08:18 AM
1 fast evo, in the chart we had up we were on pace to go over 300 when our overdrive in the tranny broke.  With that speed we assumed we were putting out about 1600HP.  We never had it on a dyno before this year.

Took some pictures of some of our new toys.

Digital 7 plus ingntion.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2135.jpg)

Programmer for the ignition.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2139.jpg)

Now how do you program it?

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2140.jpg)

New memory playback tach.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2138.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2008, 07:00:50 PM
We started it up again with all the new do dads on it.  Took a bit to get the new set up and barrel valve close enough for it to run clean.  Our last start up was very responsive and crisp, so on Monday we will run the car on the dyno and see what it will do.  Hopefully that will be the last day on the dyno and we will be able to take it home and get it ready to load. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on July 25, 2008, 10:33:02 PM
I know very little about big motors but on my turbo busa I use a rising rate regulator that raises fuel pressure as boost comes on, and is controlled by directly by the amount of boost made.

Seems like something like a boost controlled compensating regulator would also be useful in regulating fuel pressure to a motor like this.

To be honestÖ.I donít even know if a product like this is even available for a motor like this!

IMO, bvillercr=balls.
It is one thing to build a purpose built streamliner or lakester with these speed aspirations. It is quite another to take a door slammer whose intended factory speed was not more than 100 and make it go this fast.

God speed brotha & good luck.

-JH







Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 25, 2008, 11:58:47 PM
I know very little about big motors but on my turbo busa I use a rising rate regulator that raises fuel pressure as boost comes on, and is controlled by directly by the amount of boost made.

Seems like something like a boost controlled compensating regulator would also be useful in regulating fuel pressure to a motor like this.

To be honestÖ.I donít even know if a product like this is even available for a motor like this!

IMO, bvillercr=balls.
It is one thing to build a purpose built streamliner or lakester with these speed aspirations. It is quite another to take a door slammer whose intended factory speed was not more than 100 and make it go this fast.

God speed brotha & good luck.

-JH







  JH
 Our fuel pump is mechanical and we have had a boost sensing device (made by hilborn fuel injection for Indy turbo engines originaly) mounted on our fuel tank for years. We tried it once but made it way to rich and did not have time to waste runs tuning it.
 Now that the car is on the dyno we hooked it up and can adjust the tuning per dyno pull and get a true airfuel ratio,much faster.



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 26, 2008, 12:10:58 AM
Hotnuts, this car was actually built specific for the speeds we are trying to achieve.  We just haven't been active for about five years and a couple before that.  We ran this car in the late 80's and every year in the 90's.  We went the fastest in 94', but I wasn't there to see it. :cry:  college got in my way that year.  Hopefully this year will be easier on us than in the past, seems like we are always fixing something.  Our new build has been an improvement over our last set up in many ways.   :-D  Good luck to everyone at Speed Week(hope to meet the rest of U nuts on the salt). :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 26, 2008, 09:47:13 AM
................  JH
 Our fuel pump is mechanical

JH I'll just add that since the pump is belt driven it also moves more fuel and the pressure goes up with the rpm vs. an electric pump that is constant but that is easy to boost reference with the regulator.  There is no regulator in their system as you know it, just the "pill" that is a jet more or less that returns fuel to the tank after the pump.  What doesn't go back to the tank goes to the nozzles. 

The barrel valve you hear about is a pretty crude ramp shaped slot on the outside of a round cylinder that is inside of a cylinder and as it turns it lets more or less fuel go past it and it is there to control fuel on the idle and part of the intermediate circuits.  Once you get past where the ramped shaped slot works it is all the pill and you can have a couple different circuits with different pills that can also be controlled by the barrel valve as it turns when the throttle is depressed.  The picture below shows one possible setup...........

(http://www.team-interceptor.dk/images/tek_enderle_alc.jpg)

.......... where there is a high speed circuit that delivers more fuel when needed to the second set of nozzles (one set in this case in the ports and a second set up in the hat where the air enters the system.

The hard (simple system) part to remember is you control the fuel that returns to the tank after the pump with the barrel valve and the "pill" and what doesn't go back to the tank has to go to the nozzles and the motor. 

It is a crude but effective system, but you can see why with computers EFI just gives you so much more adjust ability anywhere in the fuel curve under about any condition of throttle position, vacuum/boost, etc. that you can run into. 

Note: If I got any of the above wrong as I'm still learning with our system please don't hesitate to correct me.

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2008, 11:24:47 PM
We may be doing a few things differently if we have time.  Bville is comming up fast and do not know if we can get them finished in time.  I will know tomorrow if the changes will occur, so in the mean time a little suspense. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 29, 2008, 10:33:14 AM
We may be doing a few things differently if we have time.  Bville is comming up fast and do not know if we can get them finished in time.  I will know tomorrow if the changes will occur, so in the mean time a little suspense. :-D

EFI  :?  :?  :? ,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2008, 10:01:22 PM
I've got a couple pictures of the car.  The car had to be moved off the dyno so another car could get tuned.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2141.jpg)

Justin Coffman is a tuner and a welder.  His will be working on our inter-cooler, trying to stop the leaking.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2145.jpg)

Oh yeah, were missing something.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2144.jpg)

Ok, here was the deal.  We installed the new tach and ignition on Friday and got it running pretty good and we stopped fairly early that night, around 9pm.  We came back on Monday to run it on the dyno and the thing just wouldn't run right. Touchy MFI.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2142.jpg)

So the decision was made today to install the Sumner solution(He guessed correctly).  Pretty easy guess I suppose.  Anyway we went with the EFI FAST system.  Two nossles per cylinder, a larger fuel pump and so on.  Hopefully we get this car back home by early next week, cause we still have things to do of course.  So much for getting done early this year.  :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on July 29, 2008, 10:15:33 PM
Hey I bet you aren't going to make any more HP, but you will have it everywhere!!!  Probably a tough decision to make this late in the game, but I think in the long run and hopefully in a few days it will be the right one and pay off big for you guys.  Sounds like you are working with the right bunch of guys to make this happen.

The best of luck,

Sum

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2008, 10:21:51 PM
When we did our dyno pull J. Sharp said that it still needs more fuel, and that it would make more power.  They do believe that it will make more.  I agree with you that it will be much smoother off the line and with a more controlled throttle. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 29, 2008, 11:48:04 PM
Hey I bet you aren't going to make any more HP, but you will have it everywhere!!!  Probably a tough decision to make this late in the game, but I think in the long run and hopefully in a few days it will be the right one and pay off big for you guys.  Sounds like you are working with the right bunch of guys to make this happen.

The best of luck,

Sum

 

 Hi Sum

 That 2096 hp was at 6000, they shut the pull down because it showed lean on the screen.We expect more when we get to 7000 rpm.
  Pretty good for mechanical though. It was just to finicky about starting and fouling plugs, in the past if it didn't start on the line we could pushstart it but with the Owens trans (the type that we have)the engine will only turn over in high gear.The engine has to be running to turn the planatary gears. Getting to old for that type of stress,besides Gary Hart was making me jealous.

            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on July 30, 2008, 09:39:18 AM
You guys are going to like the efi. I admire your courage to make such a change this late in the game. I was worried that you were going to be too lean down track and damage that expensive engine, now you can tune the fuel map for any load and rpm, I think you made the right choice, when I ran the roots blower with the mechanical injection I would leave the line real rich and down track I would be running too lean and too much heat in the incoming air. I look forward to seeing you guys again..


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2008, 07:59:38 PM
Looks like it might get a little tight getting finished, but we will make it.  I finished making the brackets for the helmet padding.  Just need to weld the brackets on and we are done with them.  Still waiting on EFI, looks like early to mid next week before we get all of the components needed.  We just need to stay ahead of the EFI and get everything else ready so we can put the finishing touches on the car when we get it back.  See ya soon.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2146.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2008, 11:13:19 PM
We got a few things finished today.  We got the new helmet padding welded onto the funny car cage.  We also put a little wheel on our push bar so the bar wouldn't create so much friction when pushing off.  Still trying to fix the intercooler, we are getting closer every time we add 5 min. epoxy!!! :-o  We are also waiting on all of the EFI parts and the waterman fuel pump. :evil:  The pump should be done next week, hopefully everything else will be done before it arrives.  Starting to stress. :cry:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2008, 10:00:03 PM
I have been told that all of the EFI components will be delivered tomorrow around noon.  The fuel pump should arrive Mon, we hope.  Looks like it will be a long weekend. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 07, 2008, 10:37:34 PM
You guys will make it! your RACERS. look forward to meeting you.

 Gary  DCWATERJET


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2008, 09:00:04 AM
You guys will make it! your RACERS. look forward to meeting you.

 Gary  DCWATERJET

The guys at the shop are going to work on it until it is finished, and then we can tune it and dyno it again.  We will be there even if we are a day or two late.  We plan on arriving in Wendover Saturday night. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 08, 2008, 11:31:23 PM
  Fast (comp cams) shipped everything on the 7th but shipped it ground instead of next day! AUGGH! TRUCKSTOP TRUCKSTOP TRUCKSTOP!!!
 Justin is trying to get the shipment offloaded were he can fly and pick it up if possible,(and bill comp cams) otherwise not due to 13th.
  Trouble is we have friends and relatives coming and we have the shade.
                     
                             JL222                                   
                                     


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 08, 2008, 11:37:56 PM
  Fast (comp cams) shipped everything on the 7th but shipped it ground instead of next day! AUGGH! TRUCKSTOP TRUCKSTOP TRUCKSTOP!!!
 Justin is trying to get the shipment offloaded were he can fly and pick it up if possible,(and bill comp cams) otherwise not due to 13th.
  Trouble is we have friends and relatives coming and we have the shade.
                     
                             JL222                                   
                                     

That sucks! Good luck, we are rooting for you.......

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: racergeo on August 09, 2008, 01:20:44 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 09:32:20 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08
[/quote
                             
                     


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 09:42:28 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08
[/quote



                             
                     

        Your more full of crap than a Chrismas turkey

                     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2008, 10:32:52 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08

Not sure how to respond to this?  We are a little frustrated right now with the EFI delivery problem, and your statement sounds to me a little sarcastic towards our build.  I could be wrong and hope that I am.  We have been trying to get this car ready for a long time, and when we thought we had something going in the right direction the engine tune went south for no reason.  We then try to switch to EFI at the last minute and have this problem again.  We did not want to have to rush to get this car ready for this speed week, but here we are again not ready.  We will do everything we can to be at speed week in a week. :x 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on August 09, 2008, 10:42:23 AM
   
     I'm so giddy with excitement that I had to share with someone. Saltosaurus looks like a race car again for the first time in several months!  My dear mate (Aussie slang for really good friend) Harlin just finished my new and hopefully more aero canopy. He also finished up my hidden nitrous system. Hopefully no tech guys lurk on here. LOL. The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth. New modified hood provides great visability so I can see what I'm running into. I'm trying to end my record of getting the boot at three events in a row. Hope they pump one of those end cylinders! Oh, did I mention I'm going to set a record.
         
                     George Johnson   8/8/08

Not sure how to respond to this?  We are a little frustrated right now with the EFI delivery problem, and your statement sounds to me a little sarcastic towards our build.  I could be wrong and hope that I am.  We have been trying to get this car ready for a long time, and when we thought we had something going in the right direction the engine tune went south for no reason.  We then try to switch to EFI at the last minute and have this problem again.  We did not want to have to rush to get this car ready for this speed week, but here we are again not ready.  We will do everything we can to be at speed week in a week. :x 

I think George saw the heading of the thread "Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)" and didn't realize it was about your guys car and just wanted us to know what he had been up to and that he was ready.  I might be wrong, but I feel his post had nothing to do with you guys.

I hope you get the parts coming and get things done.  Knowing you guys and the fact that you got some other dedicated guys helping now I'll bet you will be on the salt and running.  I might have to pull the new motor out of my truck Monday and put the old one in  :cry:, I'll know more tomorrow, but that is small compared to what you guys are trying to get accomplished.

I got faith in ya, so c ya there,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on August 09, 2008, 10:46:05 AM
"...The new BBC engine with the two end cylinders that measure 4.25 and the other 6 that measure 4.625 sounds great and runs smooth..."

Well George,

Looks like we get to pull a head in impound doesn't it?

DW


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on August 09, 2008, 10:58:25 AM
If guys haven't received your waterman pump yet, I have a new cam driven  Waterman 700 pump you can borrow.  It will cots you a beer.  Let me  know if you want it and I can next day air to you.

Tony


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 11:01:13 AM
 
  Do you guys have to physlcally have your leg pulled to know when its being pulled?

                           JL222 :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: racergeo on August 09, 2008, 11:04:51 AM
  
      In all seriousness Dee Dub, if I see you in impound I'll pull the pan. Im about a 100 hours away from finish but as we get closer more people are chipping in. Won't get there till Monday as we did'nt get rooms till Wed. Also I notice I'm on the wrong thread. Sorry. Been working on this thing 10 to 14 hours a day and am getting burned out.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 11:09:02 AM
If guys haven't received your waterman pump yet, I have a new cam driven  Waterman 700 pump you can borrow.  It will cots you a beer.  Let me  know if you want it and I can next day air to you.

Tony

[/quote

 Thanks Maguromic but were waiting on a 1200 (bypassing a lot of fuel but its what fast recommends)
                                
                                                    JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 11:20:31 AM
 Maguromic



   Come by our pits and have a beer anyhow.

                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2008, 11:43:05 AM
 
      In all seriousness Dee Dub, if I see you in impound I'll pull the pan. Im about a 100 hours away from finish but as we get closer more people are chipping in. Won't get there till Monday as we did'nt get rooms till Wed. Also I notice I'm on the wrong thread. Sorry. Been working on this thing 10 to 14 hours a day and am getting burned out.

No worries, we understand the hours that are put in and the mind confusion when trying to wind down. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 09, 2008, 05:01:27 PM
 
 Bvillercr
 Some people you don't want to believe (even if you know their telling the truth) :-o
 
                  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on August 09, 2008, 07:07:10 PM
George,

I don't do pans anymore.

DW


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 11, 2008, 10:12:16 AM
John and Troy, what's the latest on the efi changover. Hope all is going as planned, which it never does, hope you get through the hurdles anyway, see you on the salt.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2008, 11:24:26 AM
We are going to pick it up at the fedex terminal when it  comes in either tues. afternoon or wednesday morning.  We are all packed and just waiting on the system to arrive and then it is on.  We will be there even if we are a couple days late. :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 11, 2008, 11:37:15 AM
Do you have all the sensors, fuel rails and injectors installed? Are you waiting on the ecu and fuel pump? Cya


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2008, 01:04:39 PM
we are waiting on all of our efi products and fuel pumps.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: comp on August 11, 2008, 06:29:16 PM
we are waiting on all of our efi products and fuel pumps.

 good luck


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2008, 09:35:59 PM
Fuel pump should be in town tomorrow, EFI should be at the FedEx terminal either tomorrow or Wednesday morning.  Justin C and J Sharp say they will work on the car until it is complete.  Not sure when that will be, but we are confident we will make speed week. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2008, 10:43:03 AM
Looks like the Fast system will be delivered today.  So we will see how long it will take to install, hopefully we can be finished on the dyno Fri so we can leave on Sat. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2008, 10:58:29 PM
We received the fast today and they didn't ship the second pair of fuel rails or the bungs for the injectors to sit in. :evil:  They were ordered today and shipped overnight, confirmed on that shipment.  Mean while we wired the whole unit and it is ready to go.  Here are a few pictures of what we have so far.

The dash has a new piece of aluminum and its new components mounted on it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dash1.jpg)

Dash is in the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dash2.jpg)

The large wiring harness comming through the firewall.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/fastwire.jpg)

The TPS sensor.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tps.jpg)

The water temp. sensor.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/watersensor.jpg)

The 5 bar boost sensor.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/boosst.jpg)

The boost regulator.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/boostcontrol.jpg)

And a custom made power cord, which is about 8 feet long.  Fit perfect to one of our battery boxes.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/powercable.jpg)

Tomorrow the manifold will be machined and fitted for the injectors and bungs.  We need to get the intercooler drilled and tapped for another sensor for intercooler temps.  We also need to install a water temperature gauge in the dash for us to see.  Justin Coffman and Sharp seem to think we will get it started.  We will see if we get that far, it would be great if we did. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 13, 2008, 12:46:04 AM
Keep on thrashing Troy!! We are rooting for you guys!!

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 13, 2008, 01:03:19 AM
Wow, what a thrash. Hopefully a 300+ record will make all this last minute stuff forgettable. Good luck fellas, hope you make it!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2008, 09:21:30 AM
Thanks for the encouragement, we were a little down when we heard the FAST unit was shipped ground.  Completion of the unit should be sometime tonight, and probably dyno time on Thursday.  I will video it, but probably post it after speedweek.  I haven't even done my laundry or packed yet. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on August 13, 2008, 12:27:02 PM
You guys are awesome!
I'm rooting for you all the way. I can't wait to see how well the electronic injection works out for you.
I would also like to thank you very much for keeping us posted as time flys by, it feels like it's my car because it is almost always the same last minute crap with it.
Best of luck!
I hope to see you at speed week.

Mike Reichen


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 13, 2008, 12:36:18 PM
   Everybody is wellcome to stop by our pits to get a live look ay our car and say hello,(don't be shy).
 Ed Whitley is saving us a spot near the front,look for Langlo racing #222 on trailer.
   Got air temp sensor hole tapped in intercooler heading to Precision Auto to install it and hopefully fuel pump.
                            
                         Good luck everybody at Bville JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2008, 04:02:15 PM
The fuel rails came in and are at the machine shop with the manifold getting prepped for installation.  Fuel pump also came and is already installed.  I'm heading to Precision Auto now and will give an update later tonight.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on August 13, 2008, 04:27:24 PM
I have been following your build with awe and anticipation.  You have an exciting car and the potential is there.  Glad to see you chasing the big numbers.  We are pulling for you!   Good luck and I will be watching for the report!

Geo


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 14, 2008, 03:30:30 AM
  Well its just after 1 am west coast time, left Precision Auto at 12.22 (222) our car # good omen,we need it.
 Troy - Justin -Justin and Cory still there working like mad,listening to hard rock (bang your head our something)
 extra loud, and drinking rum and coke. These guys really do enjoy their work.
 Got the fuel pump and shut off on, new bigger shut off line to tank installed -new electric water temp and helmet seat pad on. Intake manifold all machined for injectors When i left Justin C was starting to weld top bungs in and Justin S was drilling and tapping fuel rails.They want it on the dyno tomorrow,final tune on friday and teach Troy and I how to download and store runs and change things. They want us to email the runs so they can look it over and tell us what and how to change the Fast unit if needed. Times our changing.

                                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2008, 09:40:17 AM
When I left around 1:30 they had finished welding half of the manifold.  The manifold needed to be heated up so much to weld that the welder kept getting too hot and throwing the breaker.  All of the rails were completed and Justin Sharp relieved Justin C on the welding, it was hot in the shop and welding must have been a mother with the heat.  Not sure how late they worked, will be there today before noon.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 14, 2008, 04:59:40 PM
bviller,
Two words describe you and they guys working on your car and engine. RACING DOGS!!!!!

Can't wait to see you at the Salt!

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 14, 2008, 05:51:48 PM
b'viller...just don't make Jay help you.

See u on the Salt.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 14, 2008, 10:47:23 PM
Wish we could be there to watch you run.  There's nothing like the rush of being behind the 8 ball and getting the job done.  Especially when there is over 2000hp involved...


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2008, 07:07:39 AM
Just got home and out of the shower, it is now 5am.  Had some issues with the fuel rails and finishing them up.  Had a little problem with the ignition, our tuner didn't push the hot wire in far enough to get good contact thus no start.  In the end when we did finally get the timing right the car idled and sounded really good.  The car will go on the dyno later today and hopefull loaded on the trailer by 7pm.  Time to sleep now. :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2008, 11:49:02 AM
A few photos of our EFI system. 

Rails are all done.  Just needs fittings and fuel lines.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/manifold.jpg)

Manifold is on the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/manifold2.jpg)

The two Justins hooking up the wiring harnesses.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/jnj.jpg)

Manifold and system is almost finished.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/manifold3.jpg)

JL222 and Justin Coffmann working on the initial set up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/justin.jpg)

Some how we lost a couple A.N fittings so we started the car with only two fuel rails hooked up.  Today the throttle body and the rest of the fuel rails will be complete.  Later today we will put the car on the dyno and get a final tune and some dyno pulls.  I will keep you updated.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: comp on August 15, 2008, 12:07:53 PM
 great pics  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 15, 2008, 01:15:02 PM
Great that you took the time to post.

You have been dedicated to this build site and you are to be commended.

I THANK you for all the people that have enjoyed your contributions.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 15, 2008, 02:45:04 PM
b'viller...just don't make Jay help you.

See u on the Salt.

FREUD
[/quote

 Jay and Arley have had their problems with the top fuel car,but i'll never forget that we finished up the car for 6 months at his shop (por nada) when we got it from Pro Chassis and all the work that he personally did.
 I believe Arley is concentrating on his streamiliner now. It just got to costly to even atempt to run in top fuel (with no sponsers)but they will probably try again knowing Jay and his tenacity.

       Hope to see you at Bville JL222
 
 P.S. you don't make Jay do anything.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2008, 10:15:19 AM
It wouldn't be a normal year if we weren't thrashing!  We had some problems yesterday.  One of our second set of fuel rails was leaking when we fired it up.  Once we think we got it fixed another leak would apear.  We finally welded the ends of the fuel rail to fix it and then the starter started to fail.  After another long day/night/morning we decided to try again today.  We will take out our pain in the but starter and either replace it or rebuild it.  The starter is pinned through the case in just the right spot so buying a new one will make it difficult to position it to work.  Anyway today will not be our departure date.  Maybe tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest, we just don't know at this time.  If at all possible we will be there this meet. :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 17, 2008, 12:17:39 PM
We took out the old starter yesterday and found that the snout on the casing had broke.  The good news was that my dad had a spare starter to put on.  Well it broke soon also. :evil:  The good news is we got another new starter.  This starter is the replacement upgrade for the old starter.  We are using the stock hemi starter from NAPA.  This one looks to be a gear reduction starter and should hopefully hold up.  We are also going to get a spare today just in case we need one.  We may order a super starter, but it won't be here in time to take it with us to Bville.  We all needed a brake from this car, we are exhausted from the long late hours.  We stopped working last night around 9 and the two Justins needed a break as well.  My dad seems to be doing better than all of us.(truckstop old fart) :-D  Anyway the car is on the dyno and running, but the tune is still too rich on the bottom and we will need most of Monday to do more dyno testing.  Not sure if tuesday will be our departure date but we hope it is.  If not Wednesday at the latest.  Precision Auto owner Justin Sharp and fellow tuner Justin Coffman are seriously thinking of flying in to help us tune this thing on the salt if needed.  They are pretty enthusiastic about helping us go fast.  Anyway that is pretty much all that is going on to date.  We will hit it hard on Monday.  Here is a photo of the engine completed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/engine.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 17, 2008, 12:26:15 PM
Troy,

        I think you guys made a great call on taking a break! Sometimes you need to walk away and gather your thoughts. It always seems like when you put all the time in like you guys have done you end up chasing your tail and not be all that efficient(at least for me), you then take a break and come back with fresh minds and everything seems like a breeze to get through. You guys are doing awesome work and please continue to keep us posted.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 17, 2008, 01:41:29 PM
 The reason i'm doing better is because i supervise more and Troys been doing the starter work under the car
(truckstop young fart).

                            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 17, 2008, 10:20:45 PM
Troy,

        I think you guys made a great call on taking a break! Sometimes you need to walk away and gather your thoughts. It always seems like when you put all the time in like you guys have done you end up chasing your tail and not be all that efficient(at least for me), you then take a break and come back with fresh minds and everything seems like a breeze to get through. You guys are doing awesome work and please continue to keep us posted.

Scott

The break has already helped, spent some needed time with the family before we leave and the rest oh the rest was good.  Yesterday I felt like a zombie, brain function was not very good nor was my patience or attitude.  Much calmer now and hopefully tomorrow will bring good things. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 17, 2008, 11:15:54 PM
Troy,

        I think you guys made a great call on taking a break! Sometimes you need to walk away and gather your thoughts. It always seems like when you put all the time in like you guys have done you end up chasing your tail and not be all that efficient(at least for me), you then take a break and come back with fresh minds and everything seems like a breeze to get through. You guys are doing awesome work and please continue to keep us posted.

Scott

The break has already helped, spent some needed time with the family before we leave and the rest oh the rest was good.  Yesterday I felt like a zombie, brain function was not very good nor was my patience or attitude.  Much calmer now and hopefully tomorrow will bring good things. :-D

Awesome! We are pulling for you......... :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2008, 03:08:45 AM
Well, it wouldn't be a normal day for us until something goes wrong.  We had two minor oil leaks one at the valve cover and the other at the fuel pump.  The one at the valve cover did scare us enough to pull the cover and do a compression test.  No damage just a smokey scare.  After that we went on with the tuning process.  The car has never sounded this good ever!!  I'm waiting for a video to load before I go to sleep but it is taking too long.  So I will post it later.  Troy


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on August 19, 2008, 05:08:14 AM
Troy & Crew,You guys are truely "above and beyond" On behalf of the DLRA (here downunder),we wish you all the best with your efforts,and hope you get the run you have earned!Wish I was there to see it run. Cheers, Bob. DLRA #66 C/GCC.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2008, 08:41:39 AM
Bob thanks for the response.  Here is the last video until we get back.  Hopefully I will have a few videos from inside the car as we run, not sure if the DVR will hold up to the vibration or noise though. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 19, 2008, 09:50:29 AM
Bob thanks for the response.  Here is the last video until we get back.  Hopefully I will have a few videos from inside the car as we run, not sure if the DVR will hold up to the vibration or noise though. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0

Iíve been watching this thread for quite some time now and all I can say is your dedication to this project and making sure that everything is totally dialed in is a true testament as to the kind of racers that you and your family truly are. I wish you the best of luck when you guys roll that baby onto the salt, so quit dicking around with videos on the internet and get that sucker to Bíville and leg it!!! Good luck guys and we all look forward to hearing about your trip to the salt.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 19, 2008, 10:00:49 AM
Sounds awesome. Hope I am there to hear that thunder as it goes out the back on a record run!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 22, 2008, 10:24:36 AM
Does anyone have a report on these guys? I'm guessing that no posts means they're on the salt! Sure hope everything is going great...it sure sounds bad Acura on the video :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wolcottjl on August 23, 2008, 06:36:29 PM
From the SCTA site.  Doesn't look so good.

222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 242.144 257.810 193.102 0.000 0.000


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: RichFox on August 23, 2008, 09:00:55 PM
Looks like it spun on record return.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 23, 2008, 09:47:21 PM
I heard there was concern in inspection about the intercooling plumbing in the passenger compartment.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 24, 2008, 11:41:12 AM
Yesterday's runs after the spin:

222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 223.086 236.434 194.648 0.000 0.000   
222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 203.365 208.716 0.000 0.000 0.000   
222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 241.292 244.836 263.147 269.959 244.649

This morning's record run:

222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 238.786 248.264 219.980 0.000 0.000

Congrats, guys!  You certainly earned it!

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 05:26:07 PM
My dad drove the car the first day and I drove the rest of the week.  We had plenty of problems while racing in which I will post later.  The car ran great!  We just couldn't get a consistant run in without concerns.  We only ran a couple of really good runs and never powered through the 5, I did get really sideways and had to abort a record return run.  I was trying to run too hard to the 3 and never spun the tires but when I put the foot down the torque of the car would shoot me right and I would have to back out of it.  Anyway I have a fantasy football draft right now and no way of contacting my league. :evil:  Got to go and I will post back later.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 05:43:23 PM
Oh yeah I forgot to say that I got a red hat. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 24, 2008, 06:01:16 PM
Oh yeah I forgot to say that I got a red hat. :-D

Awesome!! All the hard work paid off!! :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 06:42:35 PM
Ok, my football draft is in 2 hours so I will give an update of the week.  We left Fresno around 9:30am, we got to Reno around 4:30pm and this is where the trouble started.  As we were driving a truck pulled up to us and was pointing down at our trailer tire, we had a flat.  We pulled over into the Nugget parking lot to fix it.  It only took about 30 minutes.  So off we went, 15 minutes another truck pulles up to us and points to the same side and another flat tire, we pull over and now we only have three tires on the trailer that work.  We call around for about an hour and we decide to drive to Fernley which was only about 15 minutes away.  We got D and D tire to make an after hour fix.  We got 4 new tires with a higher load rating and then we were off around 8:30.  We finally make it into Wendover at 4:30 in the morning(time adjusted) and got a few hours of sleep.  Now it's Wednesday and we got through inspection and get ready to run.  My dad is in the car and realizes that his bi-focal glasses are interferring with his vision as his head is tilted and can't see very well.  So he desides to run anyway because he can see ok.  His run was pretty good but he blew a blower tube off and had to shut down.  He went about 198 and shut off before the 2.  As he was getting out of the car he used the windshield as leverage to get out.  And baaaamm the window broke, and landed flat on his back.  Luckily he was fine.  We thought our week was over.  That night we did a little reseach on phone numbers of salvage yards from Elko to Salt lake.  We found a window in Wells. :-D  The window was going for $40 but it would be faster to buy the whole door in which we paid $60.  So on Thursday we fixed the window and blower tube by 2pm and the course was shut down soon there after because of wind.  Friday I got in the car for the second time ever at Bville and the car was unbelievably fast.  I was all over the course because of the torque of the engine, I wasn't spinning the tires at all.  On friday I went thru the 1/4 at 242 and the mile at 257 and one of the blower tubes came off.  So I shut down the run, but we qualified for the record. :-D  Saturday morning I ran and was really trying to go fast too soon.  I tried to get the car going faster sooner and when I got the RPM's up around 6000 it really took off.  So much so that I got pretty out of shape, so much so the tower or patrol thought that I had spun.  Record run attempt finished. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 07:15:09 PM
Sorry I didn't know how much I could write at one time.  Anyway we had to get re-inspected and after that we got back in line to run.  The next run I took it easy at the begining and charged hard after I was in high gear.  Again a blower tube blew off.  I went thru the 1/4 at 223 and the mile at 236 and shut down.  I decided not to go to impound because I wanted to go more than the first mile.  So we really fixed the blower tube by pop riviting a strap on both sides of the tubing and then got back in line.  On the next run the intercooler leaked so bad that when I took off water was comming out of the exhaust.  It was so bad the push truck got drenched with water.  Needless to say the car ran terrible.  Thinking this could be my last run I took it thru the mile hopeing I would qualify.  I didn't.  We did have enough time to fix the problem and get back in line.  The next run we had more problems at the start.  I had smoke comming off the stearing wheel.  The wire going to the starter had a bare spot and got too hot and was burning inside the car.  We thought we fixed it and started the car and again it started to smoke.  Not knowing if we had enough time we took 90% of the wire out and replaced it.  We got to make one final run and we almost made a full pass.  Started off good in 1st and short shifted to second, the engine sputtered pretty bad and wouldn't pick up the RPM's so I short shifted 2nd, 3rd was better and took it up to about 5500 and shifted into high gear and let her go.  I went thru the 1/4 at 241 and had to back out a little because of driver error and got back into it and went thru the mile at 244, it started pulling real good and went thru the 4 at 263 then as I got to about the 4 1/4 I thought the blower tube broke again and coasted thru the 5 at 269 with and exit speed of 244.  So as I was slowing down I could still hear a whistling sound and I could see that the blower tube was ok.  When I stopped I realized that it was a Co2 line got too hot and was leaking so I shut off the bottle and was happy it wasn't the blower tube.  We were happy to qualify again.  So on Sunday morning in inpound we fired it up to get it warm and found out that the intercooler had blew apart at one of the bottom welds.  In a panic we fixed up some epoxy and applied it and put a tin sheet over it and a bunch of paper towels over it to help seal it.  By the time we fixed it we were the last car to run.  We were told if we didn't push up we wouldn't be able to run.  We were ready by then and I was suiting up.  As I took off the engine and intercooler was working well.  About the 1 1/2 I could see paper towel/epoxy mixture hitting the dash, so I thought it would be over soon.  At about the 2 3/4 something blew and I lost a lot of power.  We went thru the 1/4 at 238 and the mile at 248.  When we got back to impound and took the hood off there was no blower belt.  Our tuners went to get our time slip and then went down the course to find the blower belt.  They said the course was really bad in the middle and that they pick up the blower belt at the 2 1/4. :-o  I had no idea it blew that soon.  So that was our story of Bville this year and I want to thank Justin Coffman and Justin Sharp with their extreme talant and tuning capabilities.  We have never ran 4 times in one day, with their help we got the record and I got a red hat. :-D  They are now hooked and will be tuning more cars from Bville and may be comming back in Oct. with inspectors Ed W, Gene, and Gary to get their license passes and now they have the Bonneville bug. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 24, 2008, 07:18:22 PM
Way to go guys. I have been watching on the intrernet every evening at the motels, we're still on the way home, we are in Alamosa, Colorado tonight. We are taking out time traveling, and helped a guy with tire/wheel trouble on a small camper trailer. Cya


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 24, 2008, 07:33:29 PM
Awesome Troy!! When you guys get all of these new build problems worked out and can go full throttle that car is going to fly!!

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on August 24, 2008, 07:39:51 PM
Way to go guys  :-D, enjoyed talking to dad under the car.  I can't imagine anyone working harder than you guys did and congrats on the red hat.  You deserve it!!!

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 08:27:21 PM
Thanks guys and Summner thanks for helping out with the steering problem we had.  A couple things that I forgot about.  There were so many things that happened to us I forgot to mention that when my dad made his run the car was torque steering on him as well and the steering on the car itself had a grimmey, rusty spot on the shaft.  He could barely steer the thing while he was going down the course, and Summner hopped down on the ground and got dirty sanding the steering shaft.  Thanks again Sum.  Another problem we had was on Saturday our headers were badly cracked in many spots.  I went to the Burklin crew, but they were already loaded up and really couldn't help us so then I went to the Blowfish crew and they were loaded as well.  We finally got a tip that the flying Morman's had a welder.  They did and I thank them as well for helping us use there equipment.  Just another year.  Thanks everyone that helped.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wolcottjl on August 24, 2008, 09:20:07 PM
Congratulations!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 24, 2008, 09:27:55 PM
Troy
  Great job! I am ecstatic you got your red hat. It was great to meet you guys and see in person your unbelievable car. The fact you gat your record kinda puts the icing on the cake for speedweek this year. It can only get better and better. AJR, JR & JR'S PAPA......


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 24, 2008, 10:39:30 PM
Troy
  Great job! I am ecstatic you got your red hat. It was great to meet you guys and see in person your unbelievable car. The fact you gat your record kinda puts the icing on the cake for speedweek this year. It can only get better and better. AJR, JR & JR'S PAPA......

It was good to meet your family as well.  Thanks for stopping by and saying hello. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 24, 2008, 11:37:02 PM
I heard there was concern in inspection about the intercooling plumbing in the passenger compartment.

  Stan Back i missed the greyhounds this year but i would like to know WHO you heard their was a concern about the intercooler in the driver compartment. Their was no mention of a problem to us at inspection.
 They allow superchargers in the driver compartment so what the hell is an intercooler compared to that.
 Don't believe everything you hear especially from certain people. Rumors can be used by certain people to influence people,their would still be a Speedsters club if not for a lying rumor monger trying to get rid of the new president and prevent him from bringing on PPG as Bville sponsors and he almost succeeded,but i caught him at his dirty work and he got reelected as president.
 SO WHO DID YOU HEAR IT FROM AND WHO DID THEY HERE IT FROM!
 If i don't hear from you i'll hold you responsible for it.

                      JL222

 



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on August 25, 2008, 03:34:59 AM
Congratulations from Australia guys,WELL DONE!Isnt it amazing how much effort us LSR people go to,just to get a hat?You've worked hard(Harder than most)and got the rewards.I know what it's like,we worked our butts of to get in the 2 club down here!
Cheers, Bob, DLRA #66 C/GCC.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 25, 2008, 10:28:17 AM
Way to go you guys and a great big congrats on your red hat and record.

Thank you for this entire thread, it's been great fun reading along about all of your trials to get that mean machine to the salt!!!

Can't wait to hear what's next :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mtkawboy on August 25, 2008, 11:41:56 AM
The greater the effort, the more the hat means, wear it with pride !! Taking it up to the last car to run is maxing the effort out


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: CTRon on August 25, 2008, 05:08:43 PM
way to go guys! glad to see you got the record.. i saw you guys in impound on friday and chatted with you guys for a couple minutes..


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 26, 2008, 09:40:11 AM
It was nice meeting everyone from this forum, there were so many of you that stopped by and put your face to the name.  Thanks again and we will run again in Nov. El Mirage.  We need to replace the inner-cooler before then and do some inspection and mantenence on the engine, trans, and blower.  Will keep you updated as usual. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 26, 2008, 12:19:15 PM
as you begin to really lean on that ProCharger---your belt problem will probabaly increase---there is a reason why so many drag guys have one to the gear drive by TheSuperChargerStore.com  Congratulation---I was thrashing so much on mine I didn't get to say hello again..


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 26, 2008, 09:31:59 PM
bvillier,
Really sorry that I had to leave early and did not see you guys and your car,even with your problems it still sounded great. Great to see you got a record!!!

Again, you guys REALLY define "Racing Dogs" Man what an effort!!!!!

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 26, 2008, 10:38:45 PM
been following your rebuild.you done a heck of a job Congradulations
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 26, 2008, 11:02:14 PM
as you begin to really lean on that ProCharger---your belt problem will probabaly increase---there is a reason why so many drag guys have one to the gear drive by TheSuperChargerStore.com  Congratulation---I was thrashing so much on mine I didn't get to say hello again..

Hi Sparky
I looked into that gear drive and i wish we had room to use it,i believe its about 13" long and requires a reverse drive blower in front of it, [ gas tank right there] We were so busy thrashing i forgot to check the belt,and we wern't running it as tight as ProCharger suggest.

           JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 27, 2008, 07:14:09 PM
This is the only video I have of the car at Bonneville.  I use this camera when I ride my dirt bike to take videos, so it is strapped down by velcro and it eventually falls off.  I stop the video just before it falls, and you can see the 2 mile marker go by.  On this run my tach was not working, we have a programable tach and we didn't know how to use it properly thus no RPMs.  Hope you enjoy. :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTBQ-s0FN4


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 28, 2008, 10:44:09 AM
very cool :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 03, 2008, 10:24:37 PM
We got a little props from Procharger on their site.  Here is the link.

http://www.procharger.com/supercharger/blog/


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 04, 2008, 07:09:35 PM
I have to edit the Procharger blog.  The first doorslammer on gas to 300mph was the Kugal and LeFevers firebird.  Have to give them credit on a great car and the first on gas.  We want to also be the fastest car on gas, maybe someday it will happen.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 04, 2008, 09:07:27 PM
Today we did some work on the car.  We drained the oil and checked the rod bearings and everything is good.  We also took the blower off so we could ship it to Procharger and have them go through it to be sure that everything is ok.  We also took the intercooler out of the car so we can repair it.  Once we got is out we noticed that there was a huge seem burst in two connecting egde welds, one big L shape.  It's a wonder that it ran as long as it did, on the last run.  Looks like we have a few things to do to get ready for the El Mirage final in Nov.  Will keep you updated.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 05, 2008, 11:07:37 PM

  Well we didn't go as fast as we wanted but after all that went wrong some went right.Our new drysump system worked great,no more oil gauge fluctuations, Scott Owens overdrive worked great,and new FAST electronic fuel injection was amazing. On Troys record return run the blower belt was found at the 2 and 1/4 usualy when the belt comes off the engine stops running but the electronic injection compensated and kept the motor running through the mile alowing him to set record and get in the 2 club.
 We went our fastes 2 1/4 at 242 and 1st timed mile at 257 and Troys 3 mile time of 269 and coasting exit speed of 244 on another run [all with intercooler not working ] is very encouraging.

                              JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on September 07, 2008, 10:43:45 AM
Wow---looks like you guys have nothing but great expectations!!!!!!!!! good luck---cant wait to see how things sort out!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on September 08, 2008, 07:15:03 AM
Happy Birthday, troy!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 08, 2008, 08:56:30 AM
thanks, but your a week early. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on September 08, 2008, 10:12:34 AM
AH AH, I read todays date, thought that was your B Day...Mine was yesterday.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 08, 2008, 10:41:46 AM
Happy belated BD Gary for yesterday. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 15, 2008, 03:08:15 PM
Looks like Procharger is going to take care of us on our blower maitenence and or replacement parts.  The only thing wrong that we could see was that the impeller had three fins that had a little damage to them, they said that they would replace it.  Could have happened when I almost spun out, maybe some salt got kicked up into it?  We also bought a new inter-cooler from them and they gave us a good deal on it.  They said it should be done in a couple weeks, hopefully we won't have to wait on it for Nov. El Mirage. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 15, 2008, 04:28:40 PM
   
   Procharger just called, their shipping intercooler.Had one in stock.

                               JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 15, 2008, 04:50:12 PM
Good things come to those that work their butts off and u certainly fit into that category.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 17, 2008, 08:14:47 PM
From the SCTA site.  Doesn't look so good.

222 A      BGALT   John Langlo 242.144 257.810 193.102 0.000 0.000

Just reading over some old posts and came across this one.  Your right in thinking that it didn't look good because we didn't make it to the last three miles, but I shut it down after the first mile because I had no tach.  Stupid me, because we have a rev. limiter on the engine for 7500rpm.  I wasn't thinking clearly, it was my first run with the car in many years and it was haulin azz.  That was our fastest 1/4 and mile times ever. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 19, 2008, 11:01:42 PM
                 
Procharger intercooler arrived today, looks great. Tanks for air and water are made from one piece of aluminun minimizing welds. Now have to figure out mounting. Air inlet and outlet approximately in same place so we don't have to modify them.

                            JL222   :cheers:


                             


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 23, 2008, 10:52:01 AM
Here are a couple pictures of our new inter-cooler.  All of the sections surrounding the inter-cooler are cut and bent to shape to minimize welds.  On the inside there are tack welds at the corners to keep it together under pressure.  I will post a picture of our old inter-cooler with the seam bursts when I get a picture of it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/interside.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/interfront.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on September 23, 2008, 09:21:42 PM
If I have not said it before thats one cool car.I really enjoy your post thanks 
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 24, 2008, 11:18:04 PM
If I have not said it before thats one cool car.I really enjoy your post thanks 
terry

Thanks for the compliment.  We should have a large group of friends comming out to the Nov. meet at El Mirage, so hopefully we can get someone to shoot a video of the car on the course.  It has been many years since we have had a recording of it. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on September 25, 2008, 07:03:41 AM
Troy, was you guys able to put the extra fine tune on the efi? Start good and idle with good throttle response? Have fun at El Mo and go fast.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 25, 2008, 09:15:39 AM
Yes Gary the car was very responsive at Bville.  We will get the original dyno tune on it at El Mirage and go from there. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 01, 2008, 10:55:19 PM
We did a little work on the car today.  My girls helped clean the car a little while, before they got bored of it. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/girlscar2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/girlscar.jpg)

Here is what happened to our old intercooler at the end of my qualifing run on Saturday.  We noticed it Sunday morning when we fired it up to warm it. :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/crack.jpg)

Here is our new inter-cooler from Procharger, it is a little smaller but should work better than the old one; and with less worries. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/newinner.jpg)

Now we just need to get it fitted correctly and make up some new braces and it is done.  Other than the inter-cooler we still need to modify one of the blower tubes comming through the firewall so we can secure the two tubes together better.  What we will end up doing is cut a piece of the tube that is on the engine side and weld it on to the tube in the compartment so it extends through the firewall inorder to brace the two tubes together.  The blower is still out for repair and should get it back soon.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 02, 2008, 08:42:51 AM
Troy, what was wrong with the Procharger that it needed repaired. Just for your info, our local vocational college has just purchased a Mustang dyno and is going to offer a class on performance tuning next summer, Mike C. and myself are going to attend if we can get by the prerequresites (sp).


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 09:55:06 AM
Gary, there wasn't anything really wrong with the blower.  It sounded rough when spinning it in reverse, so we took it off to take a look at it.  The impeller had three minor dings in it, could have happened when I got sideways.  Since Procharger is a partial sponsor for us this year, they said that they would go through the blower and replace the impeller for free.  So we sent it to them.  We will be giving them a call either tomorrow or Monday to see when we can get it back. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 02, 2008, 10:29:35 AM
John, how do you guys get sponsors like that?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on October 02, 2008, 10:36:16 AM
John, how do you guys get sponsors like that?

I'd bet that 43000+ views of this thread haven't hurt.

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 10:56:51 AM
 :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2008, 11:51:15 AM
John, how do you guys get sponsors like that?
[/quote


      Hi Gary
    We have been dealing with Procharger for several years and when Precision Auto notified them of our recent record  at bville and also being the worlds fastes chevy that helped. Wilson Manifolds stopped by our pits at bville and noticed we are using their products gave us some t shirts and put us on one of their adds and will help us a little in the future.
    I believe also they recognize the potential of this car.
    The problem with the blower was some nicks on the impeller and it made a groweling sound when turned backward but Procharger says that sound is normal. Sounds fine when turned in normal direction.
    Sorry your selling stude as it has a lot of potential also. Hey i've got some extra blowers that would turn that 6 cyl into a monster.
     Yes Mike Procharger was impressed with number of hits.

     Were hoping for more major sponsorship next year as companies have alocated budgets this year.

                                         JL222



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on October 02, 2008, 12:08:55 PM
I'll give you some t's to put American RV on the car :wink: :wink:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 02:59:51 PM
I'll give you some t's to put American RV on the car :wink: :wink:

We don't even have a Procharger sticker on it yet. :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 03:28:39 PM
How many shirts and how big are the stickers?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on October 02, 2008, 04:17:06 PM
How many do you want. I can have decals made to the size that works for you.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 05:06:22 PM
How many do you want. I can have decals made to the size that works for you.

 :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 05:12:06 PM
John, how do you guys get sponsors like that?

I'd bet that 43000+ views of this thread haven't hurt.

Mike

Procharger has seen a lot of pictures of our car in the past, they know we went 288.  They also know we are using their latest and greatest blower.  It also helps that we sent them a video of the car on the dyno making 2100hp on mechanical fuel injection.  Then we switched to EFI and are making even more ponnies.  We have a lot invested without anyones help and I think they recognize that and I guess they figured there was more potential in helping us out. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 02, 2008, 06:41:39 PM
So, John -- are you going to be at Bonneville for WF?  We've got an XL Salt Talks '08 t-shirt set aside from you - and would pack it with our other stuff and hand-deliver it at the salt.  We leave tomorrow -- so let us know pronto so we can get the shirt packed.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2008, 08:02:52 PM
So, John -- are you going to be at Bonneville for WF?  We've got an XL Salt Talks '08 t-shirt set aside from you - and would pack it with our other stuff and hand-deliver it at the salt.  We leave tomorrow -- so let us know pronto so we can get the shirt packed.


  Thanks Slim

  Actually Troy ''Bvillercr'' started this build diary and i go by JL222 it gets confusing because other members that are friends and know i'm Troy's dad and directly connected with 222 car address me by what their use to calling me.So Troy deserves the t-shirt, but i'll take one too :-D
  Not making WF but concentrating on El Mirage Nov. Hope to get raincheck on t-shirts at 09 Speedweek.

            Thanks again JL222 :cheers:




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 02, 2008, 08:25:53 PM
Well, that's as clear as mud -- but if you say so -- I'll go along with the joke.  So -- Troy -- are you going to WF?  I've got your Salt Talks '08 t-shirt set aside.  If you're not goinng to the event -- what's your mailing address, and have you already paid for the shirt?  Send the address in  a PM if you don't want the rest of the world to know it, or post it here.  And to pay -- the easiest way is through the "Help Support landracing.com" button on the lower left hand side of the front page, but a check or money order to us here will work, too.  I think my mailing address is someplace around here -- I'll send it privately to you if you need it.

There, John -- wouldja please see that he gets this note?  Thanks.

As for the '09 shirts -- hey, the easy way to get one is to attend Salt Talks.  How's that for simplifying things?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on October 02, 2008, 09:12:45 PM
Slim, John and Troy, I can be a mail man for you. Celia and I will be at WF and spectating at Nov. Elmo meet. Let me know if this will work for you guys.
Brian


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2008, 09:36:11 PM
Well, that's as clear as mud -- but if you say so -- I'll go along with the joke.  So -- Troy -- are you going to WF?  I've got your Salt Talks '08 t-shirt set aside.  If you're not goinng to the event -- what's your mailing address, and have you already paid for the shirt?  Send the address in  a PM if you don't want the rest of the world to know it, or post it here.  And to pay -- the easiest way is through the "Help Support landracing.com" button on the lower left hand side of the front page, but a check or money order to us here will work, too.  I think my mailing address is someplace around here -- I'll send it privately to you if you need it.

There, John -- wouldja please see that he gets this note?  Thanks.

As for the '09 shirts -- hey, the easy way to get one is to attend Salt Talks.  How's that for simplifying things?



 Slim

  There is no joke ,Troy [bvillercr] my son, started this build diary ,
John [JL222] Troys dad is me!
   Remember the guy that helped you pick up the shade brackets on the last day of speedweek? That was me ''John-JL222 age 68, not Troy-Bvillercr age 42  
   This post and the last post comes from me John Langlo-[JL222].
    Hope this clears up the mud.

                                JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 02, 2008, 09:43:45 PM
Slim, John and Troy, I can be a mail man for you. Celia and I will be at WF and spectating at Nov. Elmo meet. Let me know if this will work for you guys.
Brian

Brian that is a great idea.  Slim how much do I owe you for the shirt, and I need an address. 
                                                                                        Troy, not JL222 :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 02, 2008, 09:49:11 PM
Slim, John and Troy, I can be a mail man for you. Celia and I will be at WF and spectating at Nov. Elmo meet. Let me know if this will work for you guys.
Brian


  That sounds great Brian. Let me know if you want me to bring those wheels. And you might be able to use sport car tires  
instead of landspeed tires for shorter course and less speed.

                     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 03, 2008, 08:23:16 AM
Troy:  Send a fifteen-dollar bill with them to WF, or mail it to me.  Unh, for this time (since we'll be gone) mail it to P O Box 1054, Marquette Michigan 49855.  We're using that mailbox for another few weeks -- it'll work.  If you send a check it should be made out to me (Jon Wennerberg) instead of landracing.com, okay?

Thanks.  Have someone find us at WF (up in the timing slip stand/radio announce booth) and we'll give over the shirt.

Thanks.  And -- I wasn't really all that muddy -- it was getting late last night and I didn't take the time to figure it all out.  But now it's morning, we fly out in a few hours, and I'm doing last-minute stuff like packing t-shirts.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on October 03, 2008, 09:55:32 AM
Slim, John and Troy, I can be a mail man for you. Celia and I will be at WF and spectating at Nov. Elmo meet. Let me know if this will work for you guys.
Brian


  That sounds great Brian. Let me know if you want me to bring those wheels. And you might be able to use sport car tires  
instead of landspeed tires for shorter course and less speed.

                     JL222
If you have room, go ahead and bring them.
Thanks,
Brian


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 08, 2008, 09:30:46 AM
Here's a video comparison of our last dyno run on mechanical fuel injection in which the pull is only three seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxH3Ltv9o0

This video is our last dyno run before Bonneville and we changed and upgraded our ignition and upgraded to the FAST EFI.  This dyno pull was about 7 seconds long and we gained 800 rpm and 2 or 3 psi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0

Here is our only video at Bonneville and it is cut short because the video camera wasn't secured down good enough.  I will be moving my mount elsewhere because of visibilty issues with the window.  The video cuts off before the 2 mile and I'm in high gear about the 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTBQ-s0FN4


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on October 08, 2008, 06:24:23 PM
dang thats wicked
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on October 08, 2008, 08:56:06 PM
So how much power did it put down with the efi ?
Did it run better than with the mechanical injection ?
And did you have time to fully tune it at the dyno or finish tune it at bonneville ? Or are you going back to the dyno to finish it because I know you where really crunched for time.

Anyway the car is badass. I wish I would have got a chance to talk to you guys but I was leaving rite when I saw you get in line.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 08, 2008, 11:01:34 PM
So how much power did it put down with the efi ?
Did it run better than with the mechanical injection ?
And did you have time to fully tune it at the dyno or finish tune it at bonneville ? Or are you going back to the dyno to finish it because I know you where really crunched for time.

Anyway the car is badass. I wish I would have got a chance to talk to you guys but I was leaving rite when I saw you get in line.

  Fast Evo
 It runs much better with efi,it was always hard to start with the mechanical injection and i had to run it so rich for the top end it would have a rich cutout at the bottom,so its nice to bring up a run look at the air fuel tables and no whats really going on and adjust with a few taps on the keyboard.
 We don't know the final hp because the engine vibrated the room so much it kept unpluging the power cord under the rear tires and between the rollers,but with the mechanical injection it increased 500 hp from 5000 to 6000 rpm and 28.5 lbs boost were they stopped the pull because it was lean,with new 12 gal min fuel pump [old 7 gal] and efi the dyno pull increased to 6800 and 31 lbs boost.
 Yes we were able to adjust the tune at Bville on Troys 257 run it had a air fuel ratio in low 10s.
 It is still hard to start the very 1st time because the mechanical fuel pump takes a while to prime the system so were installing an inexpensive electric fuel pump and plumbing into one of the fuel rails.[just ordered from Summitt today].
 Precision Auto is on the crew now and want us to bring the car down to do some wiring and things but still installing new intercooler i'm not sure if dyno is necessary.
  Anyhow getting ready for El Mirage in Nov. were we hope to do well.

                           JL222
 

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 09, 2008, 09:48:53 AM
We will tune the engine for El Mirage close to what our last dyno run was, may start out a little rich but we can tune from there.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on October 09, 2008, 06:59:57 PM
That's great to hear.
I wish you the best of luck at el mirage.
It's sweet just having to plug in the laptop tweak a few tables and walla the runs great.

Mike Reichen


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 21, 2008, 09:29:06 PM
We got the blower back from Procharger and it seems the new impeller is a little more polished and machined to a larger gauge.  We also received our new electric fuel primer.  JL222 has been working on the braces for the inter-cooler and I should be getting up there soon to help out and take some pictures and get it all put back together and taped up for El Mirage. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 22, 2008, 09:50:44 AM
Troy, I have never been to Elmo, what do you tape up?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 22, 2008, 01:31:29 PM
Troy, I have never been to Elmo, what do you tape up?


 Hi Gary

 Troys at work so I'll answer for him. We tape anyplace we suspect or know were dust can get in the car [and still not break any rules about taping] we tape or silicone around trans cover and any holes we can find and we have a brake cylinder that sticks up through the floor that we tape the sides and around the access cover on the step pan under car.
  Were hopeing for a little rain to dampen the track otherwise it can be a dusty devil.

                            JL222

   PS   Put a Procharger on that jimmy run it through a carb and then you can run vintage class.
         It would sound better too :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 22, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
It's been a while since the car has made a pass at El Mirage, but in the past there have been times when the car has been completely filled with dust.  It was so bad once that I couldn't see when I went through the lights. :-o  Duct tape is a must for us at the dust lake. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on October 22, 2008, 11:11:55 PM
My wife and I both got a chuckle from Remingtonís "make it go fast" video.

You do realize itís only a matter of time before she is going to want to drive.
 :-D




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 22, 2008, 11:22:30 PM
Here's one where she thinks she's a mechanic.

http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/?action=view&current=racecarsmile.flv


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on October 22, 2008, 11:38:28 PM
Priceless!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 23, 2008, 07:52:27 AM
John, the GMC is not going into a body that is 1948 or older.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 23, 2008, 12:54:23 PM
John, the GMC is not going into a body that is 1948 or older.


   Hi Gary

   I believe you can run X0 blown gas altered [pg 91 168.2 mph] and other non vintage classes with 1948 and later bodies but turbos and efi are not allowed,[as I read the rule book [pg 16-17]otherwise your going heads up against modern engines like small block chevs. kugel and LeFevers 300.787.

                       JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on October 23, 2008, 01:19:48 PM
As I read it, turbos and EFI are NOT allowed in Vintage (pre1948 bodies) but OK everywhere else...............GH and I have talked about this many times.....................JD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: RichFox on October 23, 2008, 01:35:09 PM
I don't know anything about EFI but turbos better be allowed in XO/BGAlt. I have held that record for years using two Corvair turbos. It's about time somebody did it in.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 23, 2008, 01:46:41 PM
As I read it, turbos and EFI are NOT allowed in Vintage (pre1948 bodies) but OK everywhere else...............GH and I have talked about this many times.....................JD


 Hi JD

 I see the clarification now XO-XF-ECT using vintage bodies [bottom of pg. 16 :roll:

                   THANKS JL222

  PS it would still sound better with a procharger :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on October 24, 2008, 09:38:43 AM
John, I do agree with you about the sound. Mine sounded better with the roots blower and mechanical injector. But I sure like the way it performs with the turbos and EFI. And I like the datalogging that you get with the EFI. I already have the turbo and the intake built for the EFI on the GMC engine.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 27, 2008, 12:16:27 AM
We got a few things accomplished today.  We installed the blower and intake.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2206.jpg)

We finished bracing the inter-cooler down.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2207.jpg)

We also had to cut one of our blower tubes and add it to another to lengthen the tube so we can connect it on the engine side of the cowl.  This was one of our major problems at Bonneville, we kept blowing it apart and losing boost thus shutting it down.  I had a picture of it but I somehow deleted it. :evil:  Anyway we have only a few things to do to finish up, I will keep this updated until we run. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on November 03, 2008, 05:51:22 PM
bviller,
I was part owner of the BMW factory 320 IMSA turbo car for some time and when we went to sell it the buyer required that we run it on the dyno. We set it up and as I remember we did run the boost as high as 80 inches and we had somewhat of the same problem you had with the connector hoses blowing off and also splitting. To fix this we would use 3 clamps, one on each side of the tube bead and then one in the middle to keep the hose from bulging. We also used some .040 lock wire and lock wired all of them together! this stopped them from blowing apart. And it allowed us to really blow it up! A piston/rod assembly, a sleeve and some head repair got it up to around 650 hp. Not bad for 121 inches, mechanical fuel injection (Kugalfisher) and gas in 1987.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 11, 2008, 12:31:41 PM
Did a little tuning on the car last night and will warm it up again today and check the valves and load her up.  should be at el mirage by 1pm.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 11, 2008, 01:31:10 PM
I can't wait to to see & HEAR that thing run!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 11, 2008, 01:36:49 PM
I can't wait to to see & HEAR that thing run!!!!!!!!!!

Sparky are you go to El Mirage this weekend? I would like to meet you, I had a chance at WOS when you and Sumner were working on the car and he borrowed my cordless drill, but I did not want to bother you.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on November 11, 2008, 05:13:04 PM
 I can't wait to see the car as well. See you at El Mirage. I will be getting there Thursday night.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 11, 2008, 07:54:25 PM
Scott---Would love to---we will be doing some lisc. runs---We did get it back to you didn't we? :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 11, 2008, 09:15:16 PM
Scott---Would love to---we will be doing some lisc. runs---We did get it back to you didn't we? :-D

Yep


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on November 11, 2008, 09:27:07 PM
Scott---Would love to---we will be doing some lisc. runs---We did get it back to you didn't we? :-D

Yep

Good I thought we did, but I'm never sure.  See you this weekend also,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 13, 2008, 11:31:11 AM
Ok, my computer is all fixed so here are some updated pictures of a few improvements we have made.

Our new inter-cooler is all plumbed up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2220.jpg)

We just had two clamps holding these pipes together and it kept blowing off at bville.  We now have it braced so it can't move.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2216.jpg)

We put a new fuel pump prime system to fill the fuel rails for initial start up.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2219.jpg)

Another problem we had was some electrical problems in the steering wheel.  We now have a somewhat quick disconnect.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2221.jpg)

One of our front head light covers blew off at bville, still need to replace it.  We will put some black duct tape on it to make it look presentable.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2222.jpg)

Good luck to everyone at El Mirage.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on November 16, 2008, 12:49:01 AM
 Good to meet you and your dad today. Hopefully the wind calms down and you get some more runs in tomorrow.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on November 16, 2008, 10:25:35 PM
Troy and JL - Good to see and speek with you both again. the car sounded amazing when it took off.........great run!

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 02:58:58 AM
Nice meeting you JavaJoe sorry you had to leave early.  Thanks for the kind words even though we never made it through the traps under power.   :evil:

Saturday we were able to run fairly early and the car ran great.  I got up to speed and was close to getting it into high gear when she started to come around.  Luckily I was able to keep it under control, even though both chutes did not open. :-o  We calculated through our EFI, gearing and RPM that I was going about 220-225mph when it got loose.  I still had a good distance before the lights so it could have been something.  Always culda shulda. :roll:  Anyway here's my video in the car on Sat. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

On Sundays run it was in the afternoon and the wind was about 15-20mph going across the track, similar to the Sat. run.  On this run I was really taking it a little easy and short shifting so I wasn't putting as much power down to the dirt.  I did get in high gear this time, but it wasn't long until I was in the same boat as Sat.  Oh well that's the way it goes sometimes there's always next year.  It has been awhile since we ran the car at Mirage and hopefully next year we get a little more rain to help out the track. :cheers:  Here's Sundays run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8BabM070vc


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 17, 2008, 07:41:58 AM
Whoa -- that much dust in the car?  Sure seemed cloudy towards the end of the runs. . .  I only rode a bike at EM - and that was five years ago this weekend.  Never realised how bad it gets inside a car.  Thanks for the videos, and thanks for the (continuing) build diary.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on November 17, 2008, 10:02:31 AM
Troy, in the second video, it looks like you hood scoop is moving up and down on the right rear corner. Does that happen all the time at speed, or are you like me, watching the road ahead?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
In the first video, the dust was really bad.  I cut most of the video short because all you would have seen was dust and nothing too interesting in that.  We found an area where dust was entering and siliconed it up.  The second video the dust wasn't as bad but still present.  The car went side to side pretty good and splashed some water from a tank, (or we have a small leak somewhere) onto the rear inside 1/4 panels.  We could see it leaking onto the dirt, so we could see some more areas that need to be adressed. 

GH, the hood only flexes like that when we got a little sideways otherwise it doesn't flex. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on November 17, 2008, 10:38:44 AM
I've really enjoyed following your progress this season.

Thanks for your great coverage.  (http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee171/4-BarrelMike/Miscellaneous%20stuff/beer.gif)

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 17, 2008, 04:23:25 PM
Troy, in the second video, it looks like you hood scoop is moving up and down on the right rear corner. Does that happen all the time at speed, or are you like me, watching the road ahead?


    Hi Gary

    It looks like the hood rise is caused by the blow off valves opening when the throttle closes and releasing 4000cfm of air, the hood only comes up when troy shuts off. Gotta fix that and the dust problem but [no broken parts :cheers:]
   The videos come in handy,hard to see everything when you have your hands full.


                                                JL222
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 17, 2008, 05:52:58 PM
Got to see your Sat run from the start line ---whooo boy does that thing sound MEAN!!!!!!! :-P


watched Sundays run from about 1/3 way down the track---got to look at the left side of the car a little better through the dust a couple of times----looked like a nice save from where we were on the track   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 09:34:35 PM
I'm working on two videos that were taken by one of our tuners at about half track.  I should have the second one done about 8.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 10:59:50 PM
Here is the Saturday run where my chutes don't open.  The video operator had it zoomed in to close and on a tripod.  The second video is a little better and not as close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 17, 2008, 11:06:50 PM
This second video I short shift the car just to get into high gear and cruze through the finish, but I get bit by the track again and had to pull the chute so I wouldn't run into the timing lights and cones. :-o  In this video my cam corder produces a couple skips in it(sorry), but after it skips it shows me getting loose.  Enjoy. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJZbf4_IUeo


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on November 18, 2008, 07:01:34 AM
thanks for the video.
I really enjoy following your project.
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on November 18, 2008, 08:20:21 AM
Troy and John, I can't imagine what it is like to run on dirt that loose, you got lots and lots of nerve.....


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on November 18, 2008, 11:08:07 AM
Meant to tell you cool pic in hot rod.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 18, 2008, 11:15:36 AM
Meant to tell you cool pic in hot rod.

In the magazine or online?  We knew nothing about it. :?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on November 18, 2008, 04:49:12 PM
in the magizne.I do beleave that is your car.
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 18, 2008, 05:55:17 PM
No question, that's the car.  I don't have the issue right at hand or I'd give you page number.  As I remember it's a photo from the right rear quarter --sort of difficult to see the zoomies, but no doubt, it's your car.  Congratulations on getting it into Hot Rod.  When I saw it I almost went to Hot Rod's site and posted that the car's build diary was available on this here forum.  I didn't -- maybe I should have.  You folks are always welcome to mention stuff you see on this site -- the publicity doesn't make me feel bad, that's for sure.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: RidgeRunner on November 18, 2008, 07:49:16 PM
     Jan '09 issue, page 64, upper right.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on November 19, 2008, 06:07:23 AM
yep.cool aint it?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 19, 2008, 08:56:43 AM
Same page middle left they have a picture of Seth's new car with my speed attributed to him---he didn't run over 300 untill next meet after he let me run first to have a shot at going BLUE---Thanks Seth!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 19, 2008, 11:14:57 AM
At one point Santa Barbara (Seth)had (I believe) the most racers attending land speed racing in the late 80-90's per capita than anywhere.  On another note you would think that Hot Rod would have gotten a few things correct.  First; we ran 275 in 1991, 267 in 92, and 288 in 94.  They made a mistake with Keith Turks car, stating that it was the fastest camaro in 2006?  So in this article I believe it stated that we captured the title at 269.  Oh well, thats how journalism is these days not much investigation.  The second mistake was, how do you get our last name incorrect?  It's on the car in Five different spots, and in the photo the race trailer shows it in the background?   Enough complaining, it is cool to be in the magazine!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on November 19, 2008, 11:48:14 AM
Troy, when I was racing the Willys back in the 90's, Super Stock & Drag Illustrated came up to me at the Wentzville, Missouri drag strip and wanted to do a story of my car. I filled out about 5 or 6 pages of info on the car and build and wouldn't you know it, they screwed the article up, but like you said, it's still and honor.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 19, 2008, 03:36:32 PM
No question, that's the car.  I don't have the issue right at hand or I'd give you page number.  As I remember it's a photo from the right rear quarter --sort of difficult to see the zoomies, but no doubt, it's your car.  Congratulations on getting it into Hot Rod.  When I saw it I almost went to Hot Rod's site and posted that the car's build diary was available on this here forum.  I didn't -- maybe I should have.  You folks are always welcome to mention stuff you see on this site -- the publicity doesn't make me feel bad, that's for sure.

Ok Slim I did it for you.  I belong to the HR forum and did a little advertising for you.  I directed anyone reading my post over there to see the car over here. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 19, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
Thanks!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 22, 2008, 02:15:47 PM
Here is the Saturday run where my chutes don't open.  The video operator had it zoomed in to close and on a tripod.  The second video is a little better and not as close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8


 In the first part of this video you can see how El Mirage got its name.

         JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 23, 2008, 04:14:53 PM
This second video I short shift the car just to get into high gear and cruze through the finish, but I get bit by the track again and had to pull the chute so I wouldn't run into the timing lights and cones. :-o  In this video my cam corder produces a couple skips in it(sorry), but after it skips it shows me getting loose.  Enjoy. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJZbf4_IUeo

 It sounds and looks like Troy is still on the throttle and shifting after he gets loose but its because of the distance the sound from the car has to travel to the video camera  :-P

                  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 25, 2008, 08:46:16 PM
We have a few things that we need to change for the 09 season.  1st, we will be putting a tow bar in front of the car so we can tow it back to the pits rather than push.  2nd, we need to contact Wilson manifolds about supplying a new manifold for us.  3rd, we need to re-due our spoiler since the rules have changed for the 09 year.  And last but not least we may get a new paint job, same color but without stripes and maybe some type of graphic.  Good luck to all in 09. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on November 26, 2008, 12:04:31 AM
Good to hear you made it home in one piece. See you next time.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on November 26, 2008, 10:12:59 AM
Troy, what's this about a spoiler change for 09??? Rumor or fact??? The tow bar idea is great, I have always used one, down at the end we just hook up the car (this year me and Jerry Hoffman got so excited about going fast that we jumped into the truck and started to leave, when my wife says, "arent you going to take the car with you? we had not hooked it up yet.) and go with the AC on.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 26, 2008, 01:11:06 PM
  Hi Gary

  Troy talked to Jim Miller briefly at El Mirage and Jim said the spoiler wording was changing. I think it has something to do with the way we angled our bottom spill plate and clarifying things for inspectors.
 I sent in a rule change request after Bville to allow any combination of spoiler shapes [in existing rules] but was to late.
 Dan what can you tell us?

                      JL222 :?   


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on November 26, 2008, 03:21:23 PM
The spoiler specs have been rewritten. Check the SCTA website for the 2009 changes.

DW


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 30, 2008, 06:57:55 PM
Here is the Saturday run where my chutes don't open.  The video operator had it zoomed in to close and on a tripod.  The second video is a little better and not as close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8
[/quote

   Got the logging data from the FAST EFI transferred to my laptop and found out stuff I never could before having EFI.
   Ist shift in above video 116 mph in 6.8 sec. 2nd shift 175 mph in 13.8 sec. graft shows steady rev increase to rev limit indicating no wheel spin. Boost temp out of intercooler never got above 74 degrees [25 lbs boost]. Also shows air fuel ratios -
 throttle position-engine temp-and alot of things we don't need and will cut out.
 We are real happy with the way the car hooked up on the first part of the course but we were expecting to have trouble 
at the rear part. We did the course walk fri and sat and the 1st part was nice and tight but then the spacing got wide and noticably looser and you could tell that dirt and pebbles[marbles] would be sucked up to the top.
  Hopefully the lakebed will get compleatly flooded and we'll have a good course next year.

                                   JL222 :cheers:
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on November 30, 2008, 09:06:17 PM
............. throttle position-engine temp-and alot of things we don't need and will cut out.................

It was good seeing you guys at El Mirage.

Just curious why you aren't interested in throttle position.  We like to see that at b'ville were you are not always at full throttle to see the air/fuel (and boost) at those times also and to know if Hooley is really trying  8-) .  It has helped us make decisions on weight knowing how much throttle we can run in 1st and 2nd before wheel spin to see if adding weight will hurt us there.

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 30, 2008, 10:04:11 PM
He's refering to other sensors not the Air-fuel, TPS, or the engine temp.   :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 01, 2008, 12:10:56 AM
............. throttle position-engine temp-and alot of things we don't need and will cut out.................

It was good seeing you guys at El Mirage.

Just curious why you aren't interested in throttle position.  We like to see that at b'ville were you are not always at full throttle to see the air/fuel (and boost) at those times also and to know if Hooley is really trying  8-) .  It has helped us make decisions on weight knowing how much throttle we can run in 1st and 2nd before wheel spin to see if adding weight will hurt us there.

c ya,


    Hi Sum

     Guess I was't making myself clear throttle position-air fuel-rpm-boost-air temp and others are important but we have to get rid of others that we don't need and are not set up to use right now to get more run time on the run logging. Such as mpg -mph -cam sync and others.

                 JL222 :-D

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 01, 2008, 09:28:11 AM
............. throttle position-engine temp-and alot of things we don't need and will cut out.................

It was good seeing you guys at El Mirage.

Just curious why you aren't interested in throttle position.  We like to see that at b'ville were you are not always at full throttle to see the air/fuel (and boost) at those times also and to know if Hooley is really trying  8-) .  It has helped us make decisions on weight knowing how much throttle we can run in 1st and 2nd before wheel spin to see if adding weight will hurt us there.

c ya,


    Hi Sum

     Guess I was't making myself clear throttle position-air fuel-rpm-boost-air temp and others are important but we have to get rid of others that we don't need and are not set up to use right now to get more run time on the run logging. Such as mpg -mph -cam sync and others.

                 JL222 :-D

Sum

You probably made yourself clear, I probably just read it too late.  We are in eastern PA now and were in CA last week and all the time changes has probably got me screwed up.  I do know for sure that I'm getting tired of driving :cry:,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on December 01, 2008, 10:59:36 AM
Troy, John and Dan W., it looks like the spoiler design one is the same as in the 08 rulebook. Am I correct????


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on December 01, 2008, 11:28:27 AM
No,

Two options, you cannot mix elements from one spoiler type with the other. NO kickouts or air flow devices allowed on spill plates.

DW


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 01, 2008, 11:49:27 AM
No,

Two options, you cannot mix elements from one spoiler type with the other. NO kickouts or air flow devices allowed on spill plates.

DW

(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2606.0;attach=7416;image)

Dan wouldn't the one in the picture still be legal??  I'm a little comfused, but seem to read the new rules to imply that the one we use is still legal....

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/hooley/2005-Bville-11.jpg)

Is that Correct?

One note on the top one (the one GH posted) if it was mine I would do away with that angled part and have it go almost vertical above the axle and help with the center of pressure all I could like you have done with your car.  I realize the one on Hooley's Stude is like the very top one, but that doesn't mean I like it.  Looks cooler, but would help the car more if it is as large as the rules permit.

c ya,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on December 01, 2008, 12:14:20 PM
Both are legal as pictured.

DW


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 01, 2008, 02:21:31 PM
Troy, John and Dan W., it looks like the spoiler design one is the same as in the 08 rulebook. Am I correct????


   Hi Gary

 In the old specs it didn't say the bottom spill plate had to be mounted directly under,vertical and in line with upper spill
plate the new specs do. We mounted ours to out side edge of body and angled it back and followed the side of body,all sides of spoiler were flat which rules specified. One inspector didn't like our interpitation but was over ruled because it really didn't say we couldn't. Now it does :-(
 Now that were going to have the car painted we'll put bigger spill plates on top [move the bottoms like they want]
 and a means to install Gurney flaps.
 I sent in a rule change request to allow mixing of both spoiler designs but was past deadline.


                           JL222 :cheers:

   Look at spill plates on pg. 23 of this build diary.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on December 01, 2008, 04:44:35 PM
Sumner, I think it would look kinda goofy if the side plates went straight up at the front. The car works great as it is, I don't want to fool with it now, just make more hp and none of that partial pass stuff, ha ha, Cya


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Sumner on December 01, 2008, 09:51:46 PM
Sumner, I think it would look kinda goofy if the side plates went straight up at the front. The car works great as it is, I don't want to fool with it now, just make more hp and none of that partial pass stuff, ha ha, Cya

Well we don't want goofy, but I thought your spill plates angle at the front were steeper on your car than Hooley's,

Sum


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 06, 2009, 06:00:42 PM
Since the last conversations were about spoilers, this would be a good time to mention that we started cutting cardboard mock side plates to see which ones looked best.  Still desciding on what to do, but at least we started.  Also we did some measurements on the front end to get an idea of where our new tow bar would go.  No more pushing back to the pits from mile 6-7. :cheers:  I will post pictures when we start the process. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on January 06, 2009, 08:11:11 PM
bvillercr, like they say in the Pace Picante commercial .. get a rope...  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AdioSS on January 28, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
Wow, I've been reading this thread for a few days now.  Lots of awesome info!

 Now that you are pushing well over 2000hp to the rear wheels and are working on going 300mph and especially since you've got to change your rear spoiler, maybe it is time to find time in a wind tunnel?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 28, 2009, 11:48:26 PM
Wow, I've been reading this thread for a few days now.  Lots of awesome info!

 Now that you are pushing well over 2000hp to the rear wheels and are working on going 300mph and especially since you've got to change your rear spoiler, maybe it is time to find time in a wind tunnel?


   A wind tunnel would give some great info, downforce front and back and how much lower pressure under the rear spoiler is.
   In 1994 at a USRA meet I was congratulating myself on reaching over 300 mph when the overdrive trans broke,the engine over reved,caught a valve and blew one blower apart. We still managed a time of 288mph with a 279 exit speed. The 222 camaro handles great at those high speeds and is not scary to drive. Hopefully we can make 2 passes over 300 this year.

                            JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 21, 2009, 10:26:30 AM
     The owner of the local Napa stores invited us to show the car at their main warehouse.  This is the first time we displayed the car for others to see.  Maybe we will get some free plugs out of it?   :cheers:  I wish I could have been there.   :x

Precision Auto helping us out.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2247.jpg)

Wouldn't be a car event without the Hooter girls.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carandgirls.jpg)


Just the car, in front of Napa.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/napa1.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on February 21, 2009, 10:42:41 AM
NAPA!!!  Does that mean you're going to rebadge it as a Toyota?  LOL

Looks great sitting there.

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: dwarner on February 21, 2009, 12:48:35 PM
In the second picture you and your Dad clean up real nice.

Looks good,
DW



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 21, 2009, 02:33:15 PM
In the second picture you and your Dad clean up real nice.

Looks good,
DW




      :-o :roll:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rightytighty on March 28, 2009, 03:38:50 PM

Troy,

Nice meeting you at our kids' trackmeet yesterday.  Really wish I would have met you before this blog was 40 pages long  :-o.  Just read everything in two long marathon sessions.  Really enjoyed the build and narrative.  You did/are doing a great job.

I can't believe the dedication and determination that you and your dad show.  It's awesome.  Can't think of a better way to spend time with a parent.

Makes me feel like a wuss with my little boat projects.   

Thanks for the motivation!  Looke forward to watching how this season goes now that you're getting a handle the new combo.

Neil



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 28, 2009, 06:33:37 PM
Neil, it was great finally meeting you.  Especially when our kids are in the same class.  Your boat project is no joke, making 1200 hp unblown on gas is no easy feat. :cheers:  We will be working on the car tomorrow.  We need to get our spoiler finished and a new push bar on the car.  Will post pictures as always. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rightytighty on March 29, 2009, 12:33:44 AM
Neil, it was great finally meeting you.  Especially when our kids are in the same class.  Your boat project is no joke, making 1200 hp unblown on gas is no easy feat. :cheers:  We will be working on the car tomorrow.  We need to get our spoiler finished and a new push bar on the car.  Will post pictures as always. :cheers:


I just crew on that boat. That is a serious piece.  I run a single carb'd 565" Cheby in an old cruiser.  It keeps me busy. 

When your workin' tomorrow, I'll be just over the hill from you at Pine Flat, A friend is running an 8.50 Cole Flat for the first time.  Can't wait to see his expression the first time he hits the loud peddle.  He's in for a shock.

Don't wanna distract you from progress but we have a houseboat and a wakeboard boat as well.  Your girls will have a blast with our kids (3).  When the water warms up a bit more... Then I can hear more stories about your crazy sport.   Seems like sport at it's finest ..


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on March 29, 2009, 08:53:43 AM
PLS  Rtytyty--- pls follow up with the story about the flat bottom :evil:---lol


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 29, 2009, 10:49:17 PM
Did a couple things today.  First I had to grind the old push bar off the car.  Second we cut a card board cut out of our new spoiler, really not sure I like the way it looks but I'm sure it will help.  Here are some photos, a couple car shots for future reference of before and after, and the card board spoiler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/drive.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/pass.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/spoil2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/spoil1.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 30, 2009, 12:38:29 AM

  Man that thing is ugly,glad you posted a picture we got to cut it down a bit and maybe extend the front.

         JL222 :|


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2009, 04:45:39 PM
     Looks like we will be extending the front part of the spoiler up onto the window a little and cut down the total height of the spoiler to make it look a little more sleek.  Anything is better than that. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 02, 2009, 11:19:02 PM
found some old pictures of our car being built down at Pro Chasis.

The rear end

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/rearend.jpg)

Engine mock up

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/engine-1.jpg)

Funny car cage

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/funnycage.jpg)

Sizing for our pedals

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dadncar.jpg)

The car- still lots to do at this point, once we got it to J&S East Valley Garage it still took what seems like 6 months to finish.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/camaro1.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 03, 2009, 12:19:38 AM
It is always the detail that take time and if you don't do them right it looks like a $hit box. You guys have done it right and nailed the details. Hope to see you at Elmo.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 03, 2009, 11:05:14 AM
Once we figure out our ugly duckling spoiler it should be smooth sailing to get ready for El Mirage. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 05, 2009, 10:14:48 PM
We worked on the rear spill plates today and figured out what design we wanted to use.

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/cardboardspill.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 05, 2009, 10:22:40 PM
Troy cutting out spill plate.

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/troycutting.jpg)

Two pictures of driver side spill plate mounted.

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/spill2.jpg)

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/spill1.jpg)

Both spill plates are patially mounted, we need to add a bracket near the front of the spill plate and underneath the spoiler.


(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/johnl222/2spillplates.jpg)


                    JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on April 07, 2009, 12:03:22 PM
Troy, something that makes it easier for us when cutting alum with a skill saw is to clamp it to 1-1/8" plywood and liberally spray with wd40 so the saw glides easily and cuts into the wood a little. It makes a cleaner, safer cut.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 07, 2009, 07:59:30 PM
Troy, something that makes it easier for us when cutting alum with a skill saw is to clamp it to 1-1/8" plywood and liberally spray with wd40 so the saw glides easily and cuts into the wood a little. It makes a cleaner, safer cut.


That sounds like a great idea, I will use that advise next time.  I did have to hold my end up so it didn't bind on me.   :roll:  Thanks for the tip Brian. :-D



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on April 07, 2009, 09:41:17 PM
Troy,  On a full boost, full run on the salt, how much gas does the car burn  through?  Tony


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 07, 2009, 10:17:58 PM
We have never accurately checked the gas per run because of sealed tank, but we tried last year and it might in our build diary.  I'll check, but we forgot what we used.  Many dollars though. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 07, 2009, 11:27:58 PM
Troy,  On a full boost, full run on the salt, how much gas does the car burn  through?  Tony

  We never made a full 5 mile pass last year. Troy did get a last mile time of 269 with a coasting ''exit speed'' of 244 with no chutes out.

  Rick at ERC helped us make a chart measuring how many gallons and so many inches from top of tank.

  We have a 20 gal tank but I would never make 2 runs without checking level. We made tank large incase we ever ran fuel.

        JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 13, 2009, 10:22:35 PM
   We need to find a seat belt buckle, you know the old style that clicks together.  Our window net attaches with a buckle type and we need to replace it.  Anyone know where we can get one?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Racerboy on April 13, 2009, 11:22:01 PM
I would try M & R Products


http://www.mrproducts.com/index.php?cat=(DriSafety)%20Window%20Nets


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 15, 2009, 06:52:06 PM
We found our buckle and a couple new pilot chutes at Jegs.  A little bit lower pricing than the above link. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 16, 2009, 12:42:45 PM
 
   What kind of sensors is anyone using for wheel speed and driveshaft rpm [or know of suppliers]?

   NO were not going to traction control [honest] :-D but we would like to know how fast were going at what spot on the course and if we have wheelspin and where.

   JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 17, 2009, 10:26:26 AM
You might look in the McMaster Carr catalog they have several non contact tach set ups.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 18, 2009, 10:40:35 PM
We worked on our spill plates today.  We had some braces to make, drill, and bend to work correctly.  The first photo shows that we have the spill plate close to 90 degrees and that we needed to cut the top down a little.  It measured a bit over 8 inches.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/degree.jpg)

Now the spill plates painted and ready to put on tomorrow, plus we need to make a new push bar for the car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/spillplate.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 21, 2009, 04:02:10 AM
Got some things done on Sunday.  We tacked the pushbar together and in place and we finished the spill plates on the spoiler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/welding.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tackingpushbar.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/finishedspillplate.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 26, 2009, 08:02:14 PM
Today we replaced both pilot chutes with two new ones.  They are much stiffer and the design looks much improved than twenty years ago. :-D  We also finished the push bar and got it back together, just need to get a shorter bolt going through the wheel.  Another improvement was to our seat belt connection on our window net.  We were going to start it today but our batteries and battery charger was not up to snuff.  Only a couple pictures today. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/paintedpush.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/push.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 29, 2009, 12:12:41 AM
We fixed a few gremlins today and fired her up.  Seems like something isn't going quite right, we are ahead of the game.  The car started really easily and after we warmed it up we adjusted the valves and buttoned her up.  Only a couple things to do before the May meet, and we should have it loaded the weekend before. :-o  I took a video of the warm up, because I'm nutty like that.  I will post in a couple of days. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on April 29, 2009, 08:00:45 AM
John, Troy, what kind of primer did you apply on the aluminum spoiler pieces before painting? I'm thinking about painting my spoiler also.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on April 29, 2009, 08:08:14 AM
Hey Gary, you can get direct to metal stuff that works well for canodizing aluminum....  and steel...  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 29, 2009, 11:09:10 AM
John, Troy, what kind of primer did you apply on the aluminum spoiler pieces before painting? I'm thinking about painting my spoiler also.

  Brake clean :-D

   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 29, 2009, 06:14:07 PM
First of two. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZYoBofjL54


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 29, 2009, 11:51:15 PM
Much shorter clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrdDWlhODCI


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 03, 2009, 11:41:18 PM
We had our share of problems at Bonneville and El Mirage this year.  One problem was that our right side plexi glass light cover flew off at speed week.  We temporarily fixed it and ran the rest of the week and El Mirage with it.  So now we have time to do some cosmetic work on the car. 

We took the old light cover off and some old El Mirage dust was hiding behind them.  I cleaned it before the picture. :-D


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/light.jpg)

Our aluminum pieces fit nicely.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cover.jpg)

Now complete with paint.  Just need to fill around the covers with black silicone.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/coverpainted.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 07, 2009, 01:24:39 PM
bvillercr, are you ready for elmo?  cant wait to see your car again, it's starting to grow on me.  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 07, 2009, 05:04:42 PM
Yes, need to paint part of the hood and maybe replace a few Dzut fasteners and pack and load the car.  should be loaded and ready to go this Saturday. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 09, 2009, 11:00:40 PM
We got the car loaded up for El Mirage today, and we needed to take a picture and send it in with our Bonneville entry.  I took a few, tell me which ones look the best.  Thanks :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/rtfrnt.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/right2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/elevatedright.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/rightrear.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Lftfrnt.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on May 09, 2009, 11:05:41 PM
The last one.........see you at El Mirage!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: willieworld on May 09, 2009, 11:09:19 PM
the last one                                                       willie buchta


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 10, 2009, 12:03:00 AM
bvillercr, I like #3  It would look better if it had elmo dust all over it :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 10, 2009, 09:54:32 AM
That El Mirage dust will go where it can, hopefully not inside the car this time around. :roll:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 10, 2009, 10:51:32 AM
My choice would be the third-from-last -- but taken from the left REAR corner, and with good lighting.  I like the altitude at which you held the camera.  And the photo will be even better taken at EM -- not so much clutter in the background.  But then -- I've got my reasons for choosing, as you know.

No matter where you hold the camera, and no matter what the background or the lighting -- it's still a bomb-looking car.  Congratulations on building such a vehicle.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 10, 2009, 12:08:30 PM
Do the foto with a white building, blank wall and a driveway as the foreground and background. I like the last shot. It will probably

not get too dirty at Elmo before the foto.

If u would like, I'd be happy to do some shots for u on the salt.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 10, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
Do the foto with a white building, blank wall and a driveway as the foreground and background. I like the last shot. It will probably

not get too dirty at Elmo before the foto.

If u would like, I'd be happy to do some shots for u on the salt.

FREUD

  OF COUSE that would make us very happy :-D

    See you there JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: interested bystander on May 10, 2009, 09:23:59 PM
Slim, that comment a few posts back about BOMB - looking is probably an ill -chosen description as others in the family have a propensity for bomb-making


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 10, 2009, 09:49:33 PM
This happened right in front of us at Vegas. Arly is never boring, I have seen a few of his runs from the timing stand at the lakes. I remember when he hit a battery at El Mirage in Liggett's lakester.
Yeah it got everyone's attention. Arly was pretty calm and was worried about the car. :roll:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: interested bystander on May 10, 2009, 10:04:26 PM
Yrs truly meant nothing malicious in posting that picture, by the way. We all would LOVE to see that 200mph club member/drag race  veteran do well . It has become so incredibly expensive and complicated. I'd love to see single mag, single pump, no clutch management in Top Fuel.

Don't feel bad, my best buddy's A/Fuel Dragster ran in the 14 second bracket last time out and he's been doing the class since '91 or so. He drove the "Run of the Year " car in '92.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 10, 2009, 10:40:02 PM
This ongoing fireball show, with Arlie pushing the pedal, is all made possible by his tuner: Jay Roach.

Not everything that Arlie drive gernades, but most everything that Jay tunes does.

He is a PhD in turning money and parts into noise and flames.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 11, 2009, 12:10:47 AM
Slim, that comment a few posts back about BOMB - looking is probably an ill -chosen description as others in the family have a propensity for bomb-making

Thanks for the picture, haven't seen the new non paint scheme.  Oh and since you know my name, what is yours. :wink:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 11, 2009, 12:43:24 AM
This ongoing fireball show, with Arlie pushing the pedal, is all made possible by his tuner: Jay Roach.

Not everything that Arlie drive gernades, but most everything that Jay tunes does.

He is a PhD in turning money and parts into noise and flames.

FREUD

 Arley has the car and Jay the engines. Most of the parts that they have needed and now have are from Chuck Worshim's
funny car operation. clutch-timers-release and set up -ect. Of course threre's always something. At Vegas, Worshims pushrods
were to long so some shorter not as strong ones were used and they collapsed and the usual grenade.

      JL222



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 11, 2009, 12:53:32 AM
Arley has driven for years and I am confident he has great skills. He has done well on the salt.

It's a shame that his drag race history includes a sterotype related to oil downs.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 11, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Arley has driven for years and I am confident he has great skills. He has done well on the salt.

It's a shame that his drag race history includes a sterotype related to oil downs.

FREUD

Arley has been racing a long time, he made it into the Bville 2 club the year I was born. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 12, 2009, 03:07:11 PM
If anyone goes to El mirage stop by and say hello.  Stan if your comming by let us know and I'll see what I can do to make you a greyhound. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: theazoldcrow on May 12, 2009, 03:20:39 PM
    :-D  Is that similar to a "Salty Dog" ???  Color me curiouse,,,,Crow


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 12, 2009, 04:12:00 PM

Don't feel bad, my best buddy's A/Fuel Dragster ran in the 14 second bracket last time out and he's been doing the class since '91 or so. He drove the "Run of the Year " car in '92.


Would that by chance be Junkyard Ed Vickroy? I know he drove an A/Fuel car Gene Adams tuned to 253 when the record was 235. NHRA retired the record at the end of the year and changed the class combo.

Tom G.
 




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on May 12, 2009, 04:27:46 PM
Interesting!  http://www.northernthunder.com/flyingafd.html (http://www.northernthunder.com/flyingafd.html)

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 12, 2009, 09:18:23 PM
Bvillercr, if you need a hand, at elmo please let me know whould  love to help . 909-888-9045 mike :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 12, 2009, 11:10:17 PM
We have a lot friends comming down to watch/help.  Please come by and say hi and grab a soda/beer/water, what ever.  Thanks for the offer though. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 12, 2009, 11:24:33 PM
    :-D  Is that similar to a "Salty Dog" ???  Color me curiouse,,,,Crow

 Same thing without salt on rim  :-D

   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 14, 2009, 09:54:55 PM
We are all loaded up and ready to go.  Hopefully we will leave around 9 am and get to the lakes between 2-3.  Good luck everyone and see ya soon. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 14, 2009, 11:37:11 PM
Iam loaded too but, I dont know what time I will get up tomorrow. after that I will be on my way  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 14, 2009, 11:48:11 PM
Have a marvelous weekend. You are ready and you deserve it.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 17, 2009, 06:50:50 PM
We had some minor problems on sat.  We had to fix a fuel leak on a weld on the driver side fuel rail.  Then after that our clutch lever was galled up just like our steering was at bville.  So we took the levers apart and cleaned them all up, and by that time the wind was blowing good.  Sunday we got an early run in at around 9, short shifted in 3rd and 4th and still couldn't keep it straight.  Also the engine was on the rich side.  Our next run was around noon and the took off good through 2nd and while in 3rd I was doing the throttle steering wheel boogie.  First run 180, 2nd run 150.  I will post a couple videos tomorrow.  Still have a 5 hour drive to go. :cry: 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 17, 2009, 07:02:33 PM
At least, those runs validated all the time spent over the winter. It's like jumping into the pool the first day at the vacation motel.

Good job. Now you can work for improvement the rest of the year. Just remember, this year you were ready for the years first meet.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on May 17, 2009, 07:46:03 PM
Much better to br rich and run slow than to be too lean and run slower onto the trailer. You guys are an inspiration Troy. Good job...


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on May 17, 2009, 08:12:57 PM
Good to meet you and your dad Troy. Sorry we couldn't spend more time with you.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on May 18, 2009, 09:18:26 AM
I was headed for the exit at around noon when I heard over the radio that you were on course, so I stopped to watch from the shut down area. Man that sucker sounds awesome, even with the pedaling you were doing just to get that beast down to the finish. I have to say, you didn't look to pumped when you got out of the car though. It's a real bummer that the lake is in such crappy shape this year. It's going to be real tuff for the big HP guys like yourself to get hooked up all year it would seem. Goog luck the rest of the season and I dig following your guys progress as well!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 18, 2009, 10:05:50 AM
Troy and John,
Great to meet you guys and put faces with names. Thanks for the great hospitality and major bull session on Friday night. I had to leave Saturday so stayed around until the wind came so missed your Sunday pass, really sounds like you over powered the course. Ever thought of going with the large dia, threaded Dunlops like the BMR roadster runs on the lake for a little more traction? Just a thought. The young "bit head" guys that do your computer/injection work are very sharp and very interesting to talk with I would love to see their chassis dyno.

Thanks again and will probably see you in June.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2009, 10:49:09 AM
It was nice to meet everyone this last weekend.  Mkilger, Mike and Kevin L, Tom G, Rex, and Tom Slick you should have come over and introduced yourself.  I only look grumpy. :-D

Rex it's funny you talk about the tires because that's what we were talking about on the way home.  I have no problems with them at Bonneville, but these last two meets with the bad track I just can't get the power down very well.  I think the little marbles of the dirt and the wide footprint might be a problem.  If the BMR and Fred and go as fast as they did, with more power than us then it could be the tires. :evil:  New tires and rims are not cheap and we may not run El Mirage unless we get a lot of rain or new tire set up.  I have a few videos to make, this first one gives everyone an idea of what the track looked like.  More videos later tonight. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17HOby9FnC8


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 18, 2009, 01:23:34 PM
Troy and John,
Great to meet you guys and put faces with names. Thanks for the great hospitality and major bull session on Friday night. I had to leave Saturday so stayed around until the wind came so missed your Sunday pass, really sounds like you over powered the course. Ever thought of going with the large dia, threaded Dunlops like the BMR roadster runs on the lake for a little more traction? Just a thought. The young "bit head" guys that do your computer/injection work are very sharp and very interesting to talk with I would love to see their chassis dyno.

Thanks again and will probably see you in June.

Rex

 Good meeting and talking with you Rex. It didn't take much to overpower that lousy track and I was wondering what kind of tires those were on Doug's car and there weight and speed rateing.
I had purchased some metal to make a Gurneyflap for the spoiler but our spoiler has a bend in it which will take some doing to make, and I thought the course would be great after being flooded.

  JL222
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 18, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
Good to meet you and your dad Troy. Sorry we couldn't spend more time with you.


  Glad to have met you also Michael.
  Did you get the pm I sent? Not sure it worked.

              JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2009, 04:03:08 PM
We made two videos on the first pass.  One is my in car cam, and the other is from my dads new SD card video camera.  I brought is chip with me but not his camera so it won't load.  Here is an in car look with a dust problem.  I'm not trying to go real fast just trying to make it down the track and you here me short shift most gears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVbUhPnBK_s


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 18, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
 
  Looks like we need to turn the video around and see were the dust is coming from.
 How about a smoke bomb inside and then pressurize  it?
 anyone know were to get one?

     JL222


 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on May 18, 2009, 04:59:08 PM
Check with the companies that test AC ducting. They use smoke generators to find leaks. Good to talk with you guys on Friday. The surface sucked though.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
Here is our last run on Sunday.  First and second gear were great, third gear I was peddling like mad trying to make it through the lights.  I should have one more video of the first run later tonight or tomorrow.  :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on May 18, 2009, 06:40:54 PM
Cool vid's. got my juices flowing. Should have posted that one video under the visually impaired thread :-o :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 19, 2009, 12:27:23 AM
last video but our first run.  You can tell how easy I was going on that run and I went faster than the second run.  This run was 180.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcWVe-FdZms


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on May 19, 2009, 09:28:19 AM
Dodge Troy, if you guys ever get good enough conditions to hook that sucker up...look out!!!  :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 19, 2009, 11:43:58 AM
This car tipically hooks up very good.  These last couple of races the track starts out good and turns bad when I get into 3rd gear.  Before the last two events I have never been out of shape at El Mirage and that's consistantly running throughout the 90's and up to 2001.  The track has changed a lot since then, so we may need to change a few things on our end as well (at El Mirage). :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 19, 2009, 01:57:30 PM
Here is our last run on Sunday.  First and second gear were great, third gear I was peddling like mad trying to make it through the lights.  I should have one more video of the first run later tonight or tomorrow.  :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

 The only reason Troy was still on the gas under those loose conditions [marbles] was to get a time over 200 mph so we can run out
of the 200 mph line but as we had a #206 starting position its hard to get a good enough track.
 Video was taken by Noel Smith one of our crew members, his dad a long time friend Skip [we used to race distric 37 desert murdercycles in
 the late 60s and early 70s] is also a crew member, came all the way from Fiddle Town Ca. [near Jackson]
 Good job Noel we didn't go as fast as we wanted but we got an intertaining video:cheers:

    JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 20, 2009, 02:44:34 PM
last video but our first run.  You can tell how easy I was going on that run and I went faster than the second run.  This run was 180.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcWVe-FdZms

 This Video was taken by my grandson Andrew visting us in between moving from N Carolina to visiting his mom and picking up my Grandaughter in Florida then to Denver [moving back there] dropped there belongings and
came on to Ventura-Santa Barbara then Fresno-Clovis to spent a few days with us. 5000 + miles so far [luckly he has a diesel rabbit that gets 41 mpg] :-D Then to El Mirage were they found out Acassia had to be at work at her
new job on Monday at 8:00 AM in Denver  :-o They left after shooting this video about 11:oo AM Sunday and got to Denver at 1:00 am.
Good job Andrew the video came out great and we learn alot from them.

   JL222 :cheers:

                 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 21, 2009, 12:51:52 AM
Troy and John,
Great to meet you guys and put faces with names. Thanks for the great hospitality and major bull session on Friday night. I had to leave Saturday so stayed around until the wind came so missed your Sunday pass, really sounds like you over powered the course. Ever thought of going with the large dia, threaded Dunlops like the BMR roadster runs on the lake for a little more traction? Just a thought. The young "bit head" guys that do your computer/injection work are very sharp and very interesting to talk with I would love to see their chassis dyno.

Thanks again and will probably see you in June.

Rex

  Rex
 It was a great night friday and good to meet you. If you ever get over this way we have a place to stay and we could go have a beer and check out Precision Auto's Dyno
We woun't be at elmo in June because if we break something it's to close to bville.[track conditions will need to improve also] BIG thunderstorm would help :-D
  Fulton is by Sacramento isn't it? If your going to the June meet stop by a day early and will go see precision's dyno.
   
           JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 22, 2009, 12:14:57 AM
Precision Auto just moved their dyno set up to where it is more racer friendly.  They moved the dyno forward and turned it 180 degrees for better access.  Pull straight in and on, instead of backing it in.  Go check it out it's a nice set up. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 22, 2009, 01:18:03 AM
Here is our last run on Sunday.  First and second gear were great, third gear I was peddling like mad trying to make it through the lights.  I should have one more video of the first run later tonight or tomorrow.  :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

  This new FAST EFI is a great tool for us, after looking at the data recording in the above video first shift 6100 rpm 4.9 sec 31lbs boost 110 mph, second shift 6450 rpm 13.2 sec 18 lbs boost 173 mph, after shift got loose, off throttle
 3 sec broke loose rest of way never shifted again stayed in 3rd and never got back to 173mph.
  We did learn a few things from this lousy track, the car requires less stearing input to recover when out of shape [new spill plates must work] and accelerates [on good part of track] faster than the Bonneville Pro computer program predicts.
 

            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 22, 2009, 08:54:11 AM
Troy,
You are on for a stop by in Fresno. Fulton is by Santa Rosa, it is really just a cross roads but has a Post Office so that is where my address is. I actually live about 2 miles from thriving "down town Fulton".

I do a fair amount of traveling to So Cal for my job so the next time I am driving down I will make sure to contact you and we can hook up. I would really love to see the dyno.

Again, great to meet you and your dad and see your car, and thanks for the hospitality.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 22, 2009, 06:19:07 PM
Rex, your welcome and come down anytime.  Just need a days notice so I can clear my schedual. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 26, 2009, 11:18:23 AM
Too entertaining to leave off a new page. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on May 27, 2009, 06:49:30 PM
I think you might make it as an ice racer :wink:
Thanks for the vid.
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 28, 2009, 04:29:26 PM
Looks like the time will be comming to prep for Bville.  We need to re-wire a few things, drain oil, check bearings, look for Gremlins and try to get the El Mirage dust out of the car.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 28, 2009, 11:36:12 PM
By happy that the dust isn't from Muroc.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 29, 2009, 10:24:06 AM
Oh, I'm sure there is some of that dust somewhere in there. :x


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 30, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Too entertaining to leave off a new page. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

  After seeing Troy torturing the tires with 10+ throttle corrections in the above video I thought I better check the tires to see what was left.
  Besides being dusty they looked surprisenly like new :?
  The dust cloud behind door is different.

   JL222 :cheers:

     


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 31, 2009, 08:09:49 PM
These last couple of weeks after El Mirage have been a little busy for me, so getting up to the car to help unload and clean it has taken second place.  So today I finally got a chance to get up the hill and get that dirt slinging mobile out.  This is what we found when we opened the side door. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dust2.jpg)

Now for the loading dock.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/dust1.jpg)

The car out of it's cage.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/card1.jpg)

And the engine compartment. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/engined1.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 31, 2009, 08:31:30 PM
Blowing the car off, inside and out before we wash it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/card2.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 31, 2009, 10:29:19 PM
The trailer needed some cleaning too.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/trailer1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/IMG_2347.jpg)

The car is now clean.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clean1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clean2.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on June 01, 2009, 07:49:15 AM
Wow, I had no idea things got that dirty, what a mess. Which mess do you prefer to clean, dirt or salt????


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on June 01, 2009, 09:14:18 AM
GH...That's why I really don't like going to either place anymore. Been cleaning El Mirage and Muroc dust for over 35 years and it never is any fun. A roadster is much easier than the coupe.. As an extra your truck and trailer look the same................JD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 01, 2009, 01:19:26 PM
Wow, I had no idea things got that dirty, what a mess. Which mess do you prefer to clean, dirt or salt????

 Hi Gary
 Salt is actually easier because that dust goes every where and like JD said the truck and trailer but he forgot us too :-P
 May was especially bad because the return road turned to powder,we had to stop at one point for a couple of minutes to let the dust clear and thats were most of the dust came from.
 The engine was not sucking all that dust in at least.
 I wonder how much a water truck would cost to sprinkle the return road? Those spectators were really eating it.
 Of course I would like the bad part of the course watered also.

     JL222 :cheers:

 On second thought with dust we don't have to worry about cleaning under the truck and trailer and if there's any left it's not corrosive, so maybe salt is worse.
 At least you don't have to breathe salt :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on June 02, 2009, 11:34:58 AM
I remember being at the Nov 07 meet when the wind picked up. Couldn't see more than 20'. everyone was driving on the north side along the hills to get out. Celia had her hand held GPS and marked it when going in at the wind sock. We just drove blind following the GPS and got out ahead of a whole line of cars. That was worse than any Central Valley fog I had ever been in.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 02, 2009, 06:32:06 PM
November was bad, but this was worse.  I was in the car pushing back and couldn't see a thing, I had to stop the car so I wouldn't hit any spectators.  The windows were down and when it cleared up I still couldn't see because the windows had so much dust on it. :evil:  El Mirage just needs a little wind.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 12, 2009, 02:05:09 PM
     A little update on what we will be doing in the next couple of weeks.  We have new rod bearing on order and they should be in today to be picked up.  If they come in then we will replace them by sunday and then take the car down to Precision Auto.  Justin C at Precision wants to redue our wiring in the car.  As some may know from last bville race we had some electrical issues on Sat. before our last run. :evil:  Luckily we were able to fix the problem and qualify for impound.  We are trying to make this year a little easier on us, and a new wiring system will help.  Still trying to kill the gremlins.  :-D  As always I will keep everyone updated on what we do or change.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 14, 2009, 12:47:02 PM
Bearings will be in on Monday, I will pick them up and install them that evening and start our partial tear down of water tanks to make it easier to re-wire.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 16, 2009, 08:36:20 PM
We change the bearings last night and the old ones all looked good.  We buttoned it up today and took the fuel rails off to get one leak welded and then get them anodized.  We will take the car down to Precision to get the car re-wired.  Should be ready for Bville in a couple weeks. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 16, 2009, 09:06:42 PM
John,
Regarding the pin leaks in your fuel rail, and I meant to mention it at Elmo, when you come to the end of the weld pass on aluminum you need to pull the torch away from the aluminum puddle slowly and make sure that there is not a "pit" where the weld ends. Guarantee you it will have a pin hole in it if you have a pit. If you have a pit add some filler over it.



Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 04, 2009, 01:12:40 PM
John,
Regarding the pin leaks in your fuel rail, and I meant to mention it at Elmo, when you come to the end of the weld pass on aluminum you need to pull the torch away from the aluminum puddle slowly and make sure that there is not a "pit" where the weld ends. Guarantee you it will have a pin hole in it if you have a pit. If you have a pit add some filler over it.



Rex

  Yea Rex looks like thats exactly what happend. Fixing that and fuel rails and wheels will be polished  on Monday.
 
  Justin Coffman one of our crew members is compleatly rewiring our old primitive wiring with relays and central fuse box and adding three more grounds. Great to have an electronic expert on board.

 We should be all done and ready to test fire it Tuesday or Wendsday then a couple of new duez fastners and intake duct work and were ready to load up!


                     JL222 :cheers:



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 04, 2009, 06:03:51 PM
Just to add to Rex's good advise, if you back up slightly before you end the weld that also helps eliminate pinholes.

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 10, 2009, 11:03:21 AM
A few things that we finished on the car. 

Our new electrical wiring is finished.  Just a bad picture by my phone.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/electrical.jpg)

Justin Sharp making a bushing for our clutch pedal.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bearing.jpg)

Our fuel rails are now polished.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/fuelrail.jpg)

Started it up last night, everything works and sounds good.  A few things left to do and we can load it up.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 14, 2009, 06:44:12 PM
We started it up again last night to get it warmed up to adjust the valves.  Today we replaced the older blower belt with a new purple colored belt that is supposed to be stronger than the blue.  We also got our rims back from the polisher.  Tomorrow we will get the tires back on the rims and hopefully load the car by Thursday. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/wheels.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on July 14, 2009, 06:50:40 PM
Getting close for the salt fix, I have been getting ready for a few days and I don't run a car. Will look forward to announcing your runs. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 15, 2009, 10:35:32 PM
Thanks Glen, hopefully we will have some runs that meritt some of your spectacular announcing. :cheers:

We finally got our rims mounted back on the tires and installed on the car, and they are nice and shiney.  They haven't looked this good since 1988.  Tomorrow we will get the car out of Precision Auto and back home.  We are getting very close to being loaded up, just a little bit of glass work on the hood a good washing and then get her loaded up.  Three more weeks and we leave, can't wait. :cheers:  Oh yeah a couple of pictures.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/frtwheel.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/rearwheel.jpg)




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 16, 2009, 11:59:01 AM
I know you guys are going to hear Glen's most favorite words "Take it to impound!"

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2009, 09:52:53 PM
We sure hope so Rex. 

Today we unloaded the car to prep it so we can load it for good.  We took the gas tank out for two reasons, one we needed to drain and clean the inside of it,

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tank.jpg)

and two we needed to inspect the bottom pulley to make sure all bolts looked good and that the pulley was in good shape.  All is good and we are a couple weeks ahead of bville this year. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/pulleys.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on July 19, 2009, 12:59:58 AM
Car looks good guys. I'm looking forward to seeing you at Bonneville.      :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 19, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
What are you going to do with yourselves for two weeks? :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 19, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
The cars not in the trailer yet, you never know what will come up.  Hopefully we will have it loaded by next weekend, then the truck the following one. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2009, 12:41:22 AM
One of the things we need to fix was the air intake.  If you look closely you can see some delamination between the fiberglass and the tin work.  Well we cut some of the fiberglass a while ago but now we have time to fix it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carnose.jpg)

A little duct tape around the opening(that's all we had) :evil:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carduct.jpg)

Ready for some fiberglass resin work.  First batch dried too dam fast.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/papercar.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 20, 2009, 12:30:13 PM
Difficult to mix resin and bondo in 112 degree weather. :-o

I've actually had mixed resin smoke and allmost spontaneous combust in this weather.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 20, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
We mixed our resin in a red plastic cup and while it started to harden it was too hot to touch.  I made sure to set the cup on some metal.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 20, 2009, 10:19:18 PM
Difficult to mix resin and bondo in 112 degree weather. :-o

I've actually had mixed resin smoke and allmost spontaneous combust in this weather.

 It was a cool? 90 in the shop with two big swamp coolers going and the cup did melt.

   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: NArias3 on July 23, 2009, 04:02:31 PM
A few things that we finished on the car. 

Justin Sharp making a bushing for our clutch pedal.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bearing.jpg)



Hey Justin-
Where's your safety glasses?  Looks like an OSHA infraction to me...

Nick 3rd.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 23, 2009, 05:51:07 PM
Nick, the funny thing is that Justin doesn't like being in pictures.  He doesn't know that this picture was taken or that it is on this forum...... not yet anyway. :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on July 24, 2009, 02:17:47 PM
cant wait to see you make a pass at speedweek, you and a few other are one my top 10 list and yes Stan your on it too :cheers:  maybe you can get in the 300 line this year


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2009, 06:27:06 PM
cant wait to see you make a pass at speedweek, you and a few other are one my top 10 list and yes Stan your on it too :cheers:  maybe you can get in the 300 line this year

     Hope we live up to our expectations and give you a good site to see.  Maybe we will see the 300 line this year, hopefully after my dad takes the record from me at over 300. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 27, 2009, 01:31:21 AM
We finished up the air intake today.  We just had to paint the inside to make it look a little more presentable. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carnose-1.jpg)

We also had some time to clean the outside of the car and wax it, hopefully it will stay clean all the way to the great white dyno. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cleancar.jpg)

We are so close to being ready, I will post some more tomorrow.  Time for bed.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on July 27, 2009, 02:52:13 AM
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/200mph060.jpg).
Hope all goes well at B'ville guys,Streamliners , Lakesters , Belly Tanks etc , are all Waaaay Kooool !! But a 300 mph Doorslammer is TOTALLY F#%&@' AWESOME!!!!!! (I've only got 204 out of mine so far,and hold the DLRA C/GCC record at that speed).
Push it till it goes Bang,Hope you make 300.
 Keep an eye out for our Aussie entrant,Norm Harding in a '34 ford Roadster.A few of our guys will be there.
All the best from down under,(wish i was there to see that 302???mph),but someone has to stay behind to keep the country going.
 Cheers , Bob.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 27, 2009, 09:33:08 AM
Bob, nice looking doorslammer!!

Yesterday was a mile stone for us, we got a lot done.  The truck is loaded!!



(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/truckloaded.jpg)

We even got our scooters loaded, they match the color of our car and one has our 222 number on it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/scooters.jpg)

Hell, we even got the car loaded up!!!  Can't believe we are ready so early, feels great.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carloaded.jpg)

Now we just have to buy a new shade tarp, those little bungy cords thingies with the ball attached(anyone know where they can be bought), load the battery charger and one more battery and make sure we don't forget the computer and video equipment.  Fwheeeeewwww.  Lets go racing!!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on July 27, 2009, 09:54:35 AM
The car looks great, safe travels and good luck.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 27, 2009, 10:08:50 AM
Thanks for the photo of the back of your truck.  I don't feel so bad about how much we cram in there.  But -- this year we've had Todd and Debbie on our side -- so I'll have to post some photos of how they took care of our trailer for us.  SWEET!!!  I'm thinking of asking Atlas Van Lines if they need some stuff hauled out west - we've got that much room.  Well, okay, maybe not that much. . .

See you on the Salt!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 27, 2009, 10:15:38 AM
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/200mph060.jpg).
Hope all goes well at B'ville guys,Streamliners , Lakesters , Belly Tanks etc , are all Waaaay Kooool !! But a 300 mph Doorslammer is TOTALLY F#%&@' AWESOME!!!!!! (I've only got 204 out of mine so far,and hold the DLRA C/GCC record at that speed).
Push it till it goes Bang,Hope you make 300.
 Keep an eye out for our Aussie entrant,Norm Harding in a '34 ford Roadster.A few of our guys will be there.
All the best from down under,(wish i was there to see that 302???mph),but someone has to stay behind to keep the country going.
 Cheers , Bob.

  GOES BANG? Auuug!! Good hearing from you Bob, nice car [put a Procharger on it that would up the speed] :-D What color and # is Norms 34? I'll say hello if I see him or have him look us up.
  We have it redlined at 7500 but not comfortable running it that high especially for very long, I just have to remember to look at the oil pressure, when it gets up around 260 I sometimes forget.
  I've only driven once with new engine and was having troubles with blower tube coming off and seeing out of car with bi-focal glasses, so Troy drove the rest of the Bville meet and always drives at El Mirage.
  Anyway he says it starts to turn into a real animal about 6500 so he just shifts it, 6750 is 306 mph if my program and tire growth figures are right.


                JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 27, 2009, 10:42:13 AM

[Now we just have to buy a new shade tarp, those little bungy cords thingies with the ball attached(anyone know where they can be bought)...

Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47302 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47302)

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 27, 2009, 11:10:08 AM

[Now we just have to buy a new shade tarp, those little bungy cords thingies with the ball attached(anyone know where they can be bought)...

Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47302 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47302)

Mike

 Thanks Mike heading there this afternoon and I've seen tarps there also


             JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2009, 10:23:30 AM
This year we will have three video cameras on the salt.  One will be an in car camera and the other two will be used on course.  Hope you enjoyed all of the previous ones.  When speed week is over I will have plenty to post.  Here is the only one from last year.  It was my first attempt using my helmet cam inside our car, unfortunately it fell off and we didn't use it the rest of the week.  I have repositioned the camera so it has a better section of the window to look out of and it is secure.  In this video I had no tach and I was taking it easy because of it.  This run was still our fastest ever in the first mile. :cheers:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTBQ-s0FN4



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on July 28, 2009, 10:48:24 AM
good luck this year I think its going to be one of the cars to keep an eye on ,  I will keep an eye on you out there.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 28, 2009, 10:55:17 AM
Fun ride -- and with this year's better camera work, the best is yet to come.  Easy run or not, I just can't wait 'til I get back out there and hear engine after engine, see run after run. . .  Only a week and a half now.  Best of luck.  See you on the Salt.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on July 28, 2009, 02:58:09 PM
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/scan0002-1.jpg).
JL222 , Here is Norm & his motley crew.Good bunch of guys.Car has been rebuilt since our March meet at Lake Gairdner,new bigblock Ford,new paint (still satin black),hope they do well.
Seems like you have a few fans on here,go for that 306 timeslip!!
Cheers , Bob.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 29, 2009, 01:30:41 AM
 
 You Aussies have a lot of great looking cars, hope to come across them at Bville, if they need help have them look us up.

                            JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2009, 02:50:04 PM
That is a nice looking roadster, looks like the crew knows ZZ Top. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2009, 01:34:38 AM
I can feel Bonneville getting closer, can't hardly sleep at night and having white dreams. :-o :-D :-D  We leave in 6 days!!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on July 31, 2009, 09:07:12 AM
Sleep whats that? I was over at my shop from 1 to 3am piddling. :-o

  Fred


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2009, 10:30:35 AM
Here is what our new in car video location will look like at Bonneville.  Hopefully without the side to side movement. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2009, 09:43:27 PM
if anyone wants a salt fix, at 8 pm on direct tv playing on discovery channel "speed capital of the world" is on. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
One of my favorite videos, who is the announcer?  Great commentary.  Not such a great run, but sounded good. :cheers:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 05, 2009, 12:02:14 AM
One of my favorite videos, who is the announcer?  Great commentary.  Not such a great run, but sounded good. :cheers:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

   It was a great run untill you hit the marbles, 230-235 on data log in less than 20 sec. and a long way from end.

                     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 05, 2009, 12:21:01 AM
Hey guys, good luck to you this meet and I sure hope to see a different colored hat or two on a couple of fellas.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2009, 09:26:07 AM
AJR192, come by again this year so we can remember what you look like.  We should have more time this year to B.S.  Well you never know, but last year was a thrash to get there and a thrash to fix problems.  There shouldn't be any major issues this year so come on by.  We will be setting up our pit on Fri.  Not sure if we will tech first or put up our shade first?  We will be on the track side, not too far from the entrance.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 05, 2009, 09:46:04 AM
I'll do it Troy. See you guys there.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2009, 09:03:45 PM
Doing a little barbeque having a corona life is good.  Wake up at 5 on the road by 6 at bendover by 8 priceless. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 05, 2009, 09:44:32 PM
Doing a little barbeque having a corona life is good.  Wake up at 5 on the road by 6 at bendover by 8 priceless. :cheers:

    Thats 6am and 8pm, we have to cross over the Sierra mountains at 7700 ft and their predicting snow at 9000 :-(

             JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2009, 10:10:16 PM
Thanks for the weather update.  On the other hand I was assuming most people on the forum new that it took longer than 2 hours to get from California to Wendover. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 05, 2009, 10:57:19 PM
Maybe driving the camaro it would be 2 hours. Try it.......


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 05, 2009, 10:59:14 PM
There is road construction on 80 over Donner summit and all of the Hot August nights traffic.
you might look at  (getover80.com)


 Gary Cole DCWATERJET Z


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 05, 2009, 11:00:02 PM
sorry between Truckee and Reno


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 05, 2009, 11:06:42 PM
   www.getacross80.com  looks like no work scheduled  :cheers:

 Gary Cole  DCWATERJET Z


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2009, 11:07:52 PM
Were going over 88, first time that way.  We have friends that live over that way and said it is a pretty east drive for the most part.  We will hit the 80 near Fernly just east of Reno. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 05, 2009, 11:29:53 PM
 Thats the way I go (50 out of carson city then north to Fernley) Im
leaving early AM Friday.


 Gary Cole     DCWATERJET Z


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2009, 08:04:14 AM
We're outa here in a few minutes, just wanted to say good luck to everyone racing and go fast.  I will try to update this diary on my phone or possibly a casino computer if we get a room after the weekend.  See you all there. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2009, 08:48:18 PM
We ran into Rex Schimmer in Winnemucka, and he was freezing his but off.  He's riding in a bucket roadster  trying to dry off from the rain.  We missed most of the hard rain and the last we saw of Rex he was ripping out of a pilot truck stop headed for the bend in the road.  Heard the wind is blowing like crazy right now, but also heard a lot of cars were inspected.  We are about two hours from wendover in elko for a little din din.  B there soon. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 06, 2009, 08:51:00 PM
It's still windy as all get out -- but it's a tiny bit better than earlier.  Not so good, though, if you want to potty on the Salt -- I hear that a bunch of toilets got blown over (and yes, they were staked down) and some even had the doors blown off.  Great, hey?

So I called the servie company and left a message (it was after business hours) requesting that they send a damage control team in the morning when they come out to "service" the units. 

Therefore I say unto you all:  Go before you get to the Salt Friday morning.  It may be a while 'til all's back in working condition.

Jon  A/K/A Potentate of Porta Potties


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2009, 07:51:57 AM
Still a bit windy with a 60% chance of the wet stuff, no clouds in the sky at this time in Wendover.  No real huury to get on the salt yet, be out there probably after 9.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2009, 07:39:04 PM
We got through inspection with a breeze, not much of a wait and the ran down to get gas.  Just a drop
or two and very little wind.  Well get in line in the morning after the drivers meeting and who knows when well run.  Maybe tomorrow but most likely Saturday.  I'll keep everyone updated. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on August 07, 2009, 09:45:41 PM
Good luck folks, go get it.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on August 07, 2009, 11:06:16 PM
Dean, wish you were here. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on August 08, 2009, 12:08:07 AM
Believe me, so do I Fred! 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 08, 2009, 09:34:01 AM
8:23AM    About 60F and no wind but I'd consider this excellent to run but rather cold as compared to normal

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 55chevr on August 08, 2009, 11:00:55 AM
Freud - enjoy the 60-s temps ... I doubt it will stay that cool very long ... say hello to Glen for me ... Joe


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2009, 07:26:39 PM
We made first shake down run about an hour ago, 2 1/4 speed of 243.747 first mile 258.881 middle we shut down 3/4 of the way through do to two header pipes breaking and we still went 286.367mph.  We are welding the pipes up now and will run again tomorrow with a leaner tune.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2009, 11:23:26 PM
A little update.  We had to take off the other header as well.  It would have broke on the next run, next meet we will need new zoomies.  We will put the headers back on in the morning and give it another go. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 09, 2009, 10:05:52 AM
 :cheers:
thanks for update
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 09, 2009, 10:19:55 AM
Good Luck  B'ville,,,,  Keep us updated,,, be safe, and go Fast...

Charles


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 09, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
We started it up a few minutes ago and found out we spun the key way off the crank pulley.  We will fix it and run later in the day.  I guess that's what 36lbs of boost will do to it. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2009, 10:54:09 AM
We are headed toward salt lake to Chapman racing heads for a head job I mean valve replacement/valve job on both heads.  Should be racing again tomorrow. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2009, 03:38:02 PM
We ordered all new valves.  3 intake and 3 exhaust valves were bent so we over nighted all new stuff.  The heads will be done tomorrow around noon.  Should be racing on Wednesday. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 10, 2009, 03:56:26 PM
Good luck
terry :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2009, 07:17:30 PM
Hey Bob Ellis, Augie says hi but your a sheep shagger.   :-D. They kissed the piston with the valve and burnt a small spot in the piston.  They are lapping the valves in and they are going to go for anyway.  They said if they are going home it might as well be in big pieces rather than small ones. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
We are heading to the salt now with a set of reworked heads, we will run in the morning.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 11, 2009, 02:51:47 PM
B'ville,,,  wow lots of work in short order,,,,

Good luck, GO FAST,,, don't hurt that awesome motor and BE SAFE...

Keep the reports coming....

Charles


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2009, 09:32:33 PM
We fired her up and look out, she sounds crisp.  Can't wait till record run are over. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wolcottjl on August 11, 2009, 11:07:59 PM
GOOD LUCK!  Everyone is pulling for you!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2009, 01:29:50 PM
Just made a pass and went 268 in the 1/4 and shut down before the mile.  We went 269 in mile and blew off the blower intake to the manifold.  Were in impound now. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: sabat on August 12, 2009, 03:20:00 PM
Nice !!   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2009, 06:03:53 PM
A little more info on todays run.  We blew off the blower tube at the elbow before the intake, also we blew anti seize all over the distributor and valve cover because some of the manifold bolts came loose.  We made a 3/4 metal strap to hold the elbow and the blower tube together so we don't have the same problem.  We are heading out of impound for the 2 club dinner. Will report more after record runs. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wolcottjl on August 12, 2009, 10:14:26 PM
  Were in impound now. :cheers:

Not a bad place to be.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2009, 10:34:15 AM
Dad spun at the half mile so we need to requalify.  Yesterday he ran without turning on the inter cooler today the intake temp was 50 degrees, just a bit more power than expected.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2009, 05:44:02 PM
We requalified for records run again, we ran 267 in the 1/4 and then we had two welds brake on two different blower tubes and shut down before the mile and still went 285 in the first mile.  We were tacking 312 but stuff happens and we sunk all the valves and don't know why so we are done for this year.  There is no door slammer this year that has gone faster than us or even faster in the third mile.  The only doorslammer that may have gone faster in the first mile is the Leggit firebird.  Were happy with the speed but no record this year.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 13, 2009, 07:36:58 PM
B'ville,,,, man GREAT  effort,, way to hang in there and try and try and try again,,, awesome speeds..

Thanks for all the build posts and the updates... I know  we where all pulling for you,,,

Take care,,, safe travels home.

Charles


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 14, 2009, 11:58:56 AM
HEY PALS, it was marvelous to see you.

Hang in there.

See you at Gas Up?

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2009, 10:27:40 AM
Thanks everyone who replied, and Freud it was great to see you again too.  We will be home later today and I will start working on all the videos soon.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 15, 2009, 10:30:18 AM
Here's the only photo I got of you -- at the 200 MPH Club banquet.  It was great to see you all week, thrashing and running and everything else.  Congratulations!




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on August 15, 2009, 02:20:36 PM
A few pics for ya. Fun pitting next to you guys. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2009, 10:07:32 PM
Brian, thanks for those pictures.  Seems like even when were ready for bville we are always thrashing to get the car fixed to run again.  Maybe next year will be the year we can relax and just run the car and visit more with our neighbors. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2009, 09:15:26 PM
We had a couple good videos of the car going by at the 3 1/2 mile mark but the person taking the video taped over the previous runs. :cry:  I still have the in car videos but I wanted to hear the sound of the car going down the course from a spectators point of view.  Anyone have any of our car?  I'll try to get the in car ones done soon. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on August 17, 2009, 09:42:11 AM
Troy, you, your dad and your crew are the epitome of what Bonneville is to me. Even with the challenges and struggles you had to deal with, you guys all had smiles on your faces because you love being there. Thanks for the hospitality and friendship. Andy and J.R..


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 17, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
Troy, you, your dad and your crew are the epitome of what Bonneville is to me. Even with the challenges and struggles you had to deal with, you guys all had smiles on your faces because you love being there. Thanks for the hospitality and friendship. Andy and J.R..

  Thanks Andy and it was fun putting J.R. in the car.

     JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 17, 2009, 01:44:12 PM
I'll see if my pal has those sounds.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 17, 2009, 08:20:28 PM
HEY PALS, it was marvelous to see you.

Hang in there.

See you at Gas Up?

FREUD

  Great seeing you too Freud. It was real nice going to the Gas Up when I lived only 15 miles away now its 220. I know we are going to our friends 50th wedding anniversary in Santa Barbara in Sept and my grandsons wedding in Denver in Oct. but never say never.
  Hope you or someone has a video.

         JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
I've got some videos.  They are not in order of our runs, I'm waiting on a SD chip to download the rest of the videos.  This first one is my dad on return record run.  We qualified four times but only got one chance for the record.  This was his attempt, he had problems remembering to turn a couple things on during his qualifier and went 268 in the 2 1/4 and shut down early and went through the mile at 269.  This run he had a lot more power, didn't quite make it very far. :-D :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_CEUEoBgq8


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 18, 2009, 10:01:45 PM
Bville,  what was that orange thing that smacked the windshield during the spin ?  Was it the pilot chute  or a cone or course marker ?

Charles


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2009, 10:18:10 PM
That was the half mile marker, it left two pipe marks on the passenger side door.  When I see this video, I laugh every time thinking I'm glad it wasn't me that hit it. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 18, 2009, 11:49:30 PM
That was the half mile marker, it left two pipe marks on the passenger side door.  When I see this video, I laugh every time thinking I'm glad it wasn't me that hit it. :-D

  Ho ho ho you were supposed to show that one last. Well I wasn't laughing.
  Going 170 at that point. Notice the difference in the throttle application in the 285 in the first mile video,[not here yet] I wasn't going to loose it 2 in a row :roll:

               JL222

  glad we didn't paint it yet :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2009, 10:33:34 AM
I don't know what happened to the audio on this video but it starts out with a lot of static and eventually gets better. :x  This is our fastest run to date in the first mile.  My dad short shifts all the way to high gear and then goes all out on the TPS.  As you watch you can see a weld brake at the blower tube connecting the pipes just before the window, another weld broke at the connector pipe going through the fire wall.  This break is more apparent because you will see the hood pop up due to the burst of air beneath it.  Our 2 1/4 time was 268 mph and our mile time was 285 mph.  The blower tube popped about 2 1/2 to 3 seconds before the 3 mile marker. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFANJvXAQqU


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 23, 2009, 01:45:52 PM

  I didn't make the 200 club after that spin but were really happy with the 267.97 21/4 and 285.472 1st timed mile or mile 3 time even though it quit running about 2.5 sec and 1100 ft to end of mile 3. Tacking 310.6 when blower tube connector came loose. This is a good time for us and were happy with the way the car handles at speed and hooks up [nothing scary unless you get to carried away in 1st or 2nd]
  On the qualifying run the day before we had a 268.109 21/2 and a 269.424 1st timed mile speed, but the most encouraging thing is that we were taching 23 mph more [ 295 vs 272] at the same 51.8 secs on this run than the 285 run. Unfortunenatly the video on this run didn't come out [not turned on]? but I believe it quit just after entering the 1st timed mile [between the 2 and 21/4]
  We can fix the blower connection problem and I think I have the valve problem figured out and we have some ideas for more low speed traction.


    JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 23, 2009, 04:59:10 PM
It sorta scares me how hard that mile marker sounded when it whapped the car -- knowing that I went through one of 'em (4 1/2 mile) on the long course, at about 200 (199.586 in the previous mile).  I've still got black and blue bruises on my pinky finger where the clutch lever slapped the finger between lever and handlegrip, and a few other marks, too.  But the marker you hit sure looked and sounded harder than the one I went through -- or maybe it wasn't, but I was really lucky.

I promise to pay better attention to where I'm going.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: interested bystander on August 23, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
Hey, J222 and Bville Racer.

There were 504 entries  participating, but a minority were true RACERS. You guys were certainly at the TOP of the RACER's list.

Keep up the hard work!

(Carefull of the spin demons, though -maybe ya outta re-adress the front to rear.)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 23, 2009, 09:25:15 PM
   Thanks, but 295 mph  right at the 1st of the 3 mile  and you think we should put more weight on the front end? I like the way you and  [some] of the other center of pressure people and competitors think. There were lots of other spins out there with less than our weight distribution.

                      JL222

  PS. when I spun the 222 car was going 170 mph in 13 sec the fastest in that part of the course yet for us and were
thinking of ways to add more wheel loading without adding weight.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on August 23, 2009, 11:44:51 PM
   Thanks, but 295 mph  right at the 1st of the 3 mile  and you think we should put more weight on the front end? I like the way you and  [some] of the other center of pressure people and competitors think. There were lots of other spins out there with less than our weight distribution.

                      JL222  

Some might say every car is different...............


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on August 24, 2009, 06:18:20 AM
JL222 & bvillercr , You guys are true hero's (in my opinion anyway),For what you have accomplished , and yet to accomplish,you have set the standard for Doorslammers on the salt!!I'd rank you up there with my lifetime hero-Craig Breedlove,For the dedication,drive,determination,& desire to do what you have done (so far...More is in that Camaro !!).I hope you can get the bugs sorted out,would love to see ya get that 300!
 Cheers , Bob. (Probably your biggest fan?)....(how about bringing that Camaro down here to Lake Gairdner??)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 24, 2009, 10:44:05 AM

   Thanks Bob.... Now my hat won't fit. I was just going to look at the different videos and run data to see how soon we
 could accelerate to 300 and will post my findings. All runs so far [in 1st @ 2nd we never gave over 50% throttle with revs still increasing at good rate.  That 285 1st timed mile was the easiest I've ever been on the throttle so were excited about
how fast and quick it will go.

    JL222 :cheers:
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 25, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
 
  After looking and comparing videos and run data we reached 170 mph [on spin run] 11 sec faster than 285 1st timed mile run later that day [310 indicated speed before blow off] subtracting 11 sec from  video the 2 mile marker [start of 1st timed mile] goes by  :-P

                     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 30, 2009, 09:09:28 PM

  Our Bonneville Pro computer program is amazing looking at our F.A.S.T. EFI data I can see when each shift occurred [rpm and sec from ist throttle apply] interring this info into Bville pro for our last run and were I was able to apply full throttle,
the program was right on and so were our data inputs, shift from 3rd  6000 rpm speed 216 now in 4th [high gear] time to 311 mph 6850 rpm [actual 20.8 sec] computer printout 20.2 sec.

               JL222

  These times don't happen as fast as the program predicts because we can't full throttle it at start



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 30, 2009, 09:14:28 PM
One word:

LORING

  :cheers:

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 30, 2009, 10:28:13 PM
One word:

LORING

  :cheers:

Mike

Could almost consider the Texas Mile, but Loring?  Dats just a little too far. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 31, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
But it's 50% longer!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 31, 2009, 01:08:09 PM
Do you mean the tow is 50% longer?

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 31, 2009, 01:09:39 PM
No -- it's always 50% longer.

The tow depends on where you start.

Stan


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 31, 2009, 01:44:41 PM
And also where you end.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: John Noonan on September 01, 2009, 01:29:18 AM
DR, thanks for the call today, always a true pleasure.  :cheers:

J


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 17, 2009, 01:31:34 PM
Some things that we need to do in this off season which has already started for us, meaning we won't run until May El Mirage meet.  We need to tear down the motor and check pistons, cylinder walls and crank.  We need to rebuild our headers and make them out of stainless, we are thinking about a higher gear ratio so our torque isn't as great on the tires when we shift plus we are hitting the mile at bville close to 300 so the extra gear should help for the next two miles.  We also need to upgrade our connections at the blower pipes.  Those really good connectors are not cheap, anyone out there want to sponsor those? :-D  Future or near future upgrades would be H2O injection into the impellar and some possible suspension adjustments.  Tear down of the engine soon. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 17, 2009, 02:32:12 PM
Some things that we need to do in this off season which has already started for us, meaning we won't run until May El Mirage meet.  We need to tear down the motor and check pistons, cylinder walls and crank.  We need to rebuild our headers and make them out of stainless, we are thinking about a higher gear ratio so our torque isn't as great on the tires when we shift plus we are hitting the mile at bville close to 300 so the extra gear should help for the next two miles.  We also need to upgrade our connections at the blower pipes.  Those really good connectors are not cheap, anyone out there want to sponsor those? :-D  Future or near future upgrades would be H2O injection into the impeller and some possible suspension adjustments.  Tear down of the engine soon. :-D

  Bvillercr...you forgot to mention our main problem replacing all the valves with inconel on  the ehaust [which we haven't been able to get when we need them] and titanium on the intakes and we might inject water after the intercooler also but the water would't be evaporating untll the compression stroke with the cool temps coming out of intercooler.

               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 17, 2009, 02:56:56 PM
Oh yeah, I was in a hurry to get to soccer game.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wilcox garage on October 17, 2009, 03:34:59 PM
I have been checking around for good prices on v-band clamps and found a guy advertising on Yellobullet. The website is www.theboostdepot.com , his Yellobullet add states he will give a discount for quantity orders but even his normal prices are $30.00 cheaper than Burns Stainless. My brother is getting ready to order some for a customers car that is getting a F2 and a air to air intercooler.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 17, 2009, 03:59:14 PM
I have been checking around for good prices on v-band clamps and found a guy advertising on Yellobullet. The website is www.theboostdepot.com , his Yellobullet add states he will give a discount for quantity orders but even his normal prices are $30.00 cheaper than Burns Stainless. My brother is getting ready to order some for a customers car that is getting a F2 and a air to air intercooler.

   Thanks that seems like a lot better price than we've seen and we could use at least 3. We have to take the blower tubes off in order to remove the right side valve cover and those v clamps would make it a lot faster plus hold better.

                  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on October 23, 2009, 09:37:31 PM
Hey Troy,
At what stage is the car in now.
Do you run it at El Mirage?

Rob


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 24, 2009, 09:15:54 PM
Rob, yes we do run at El Mirage.  Been running El Mirage and Bonneville since 1989, mostly through the late 90's with a little break from 2003-06.  Here are a few videos of the car.

This is our best dyno run on mechanical fuel injection.  2000 HP and 1900 ft lbs.  This was 28 1/2 lbs boost at 6000 rpms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxH3Ltv9o0

This one is after we installed our FAST unit.  We got 32 lbs boost at 6800 rpms and figured it to be 2300 hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0

This is El Mirage in November 08.  I got loose on a not so good track, shute did not deploy but I did not spin out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

Same run just an in car video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

This was our last time out at El Mirage and the track was good to about half track and after that was loose.  As I shift into high gear I made the mistake of not lifting the throttle with an air shift transmision and get loose but save it.  I was trying to go over 200 so I could get into the 200 mph line.  We have held a AA record in BGALT at 229 since 1990.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on October 24, 2009, 10:03:33 PM
You better make the November meet or I'll be massively disappointed.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 25, 2009, 10:52:26 AM
We will be there!!  But the car will not.  :cry:  We have duty so its required.  We just took apart the top end and the number three chamber needs a little work and all the valves need to be replaced and upgraded.  The pistons look ok, but we need to take those out today and inspect them a little closer and we want to look at the cylinder walls and rod bearings.  The oil looks good with no shinny things floating in it.   :cheers:  Not sure if we would run El Mirage in November if we were ready, the track just isn't that good.  Maybe we will here different after todays meet but I doubt it.  We always try to run May and November so if your there next May we should be there.   :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 19, 2009, 01:52:28 AM
Freud, where were you?  I kept an eye out for you but didn't see ya.  We were mostly at the BMR pits and th start line.  We did go down course and took some video, sorry we missed you.   :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on November 19, 2009, 11:01:48 AM
Now that I am home and have time to think about it, Stan Beck guided me away from everyone I wanted to see.

He had me walking all over to try to get him a ride on the mobile davenport.

At least, I didn't get involved with the back door.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on November 19, 2009, 11:06:20 AM
Now that I am home and have time to think about it, Stan Beck guided me away from everyone I wanted to see.

He had me walking all over to try to get him a ride on the mobile davenport.

At least, I didn't get involved with the back door.

FREUD

Yep, everytime I saw you you were hanging out with low life's.......  :-D
Stan is sneeky that way.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 19, 2009, 07:02:10 PM
I saw Stan once, looked like he was in a hurry to get somewhere. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 21, 2009, 01:37:05 PM
We are looking into using a Racepack system to monitor EGT and a few other parameters.  Are there any other systems out there that would work in similar capabilities?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on November 21, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
We are looking into using a Racepack system to monitor EGT and a few other parameters.  Are there any other systems out there that would work in similar capabilities?

Yes.........





Okay, the Racepack is one of the best systems out there but being that you are already using a FAST EFI system they also now make a 8 channel EGT adpt. for their system. No point in having more software and data capacity than you need at least from a $$ stand point. A different unit can cost a grand or more, the FAST will only add hundreds to your system imo. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 21, 2009, 03:13:25 PM
The only problem with adding more to the fast unit is, the more we add the less time we have to record.  That's why we were looking into a different unit. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: stratman59 on November 21, 2009, 03:57:01 PM
Troy,

http://www.motorsportsinnovations.com/

Check out the innovate DL-32. It records up to 32 channels and about 4 hours of data with a 2gb
sd card.This is what we run but are using two O2 sensors.
I think you can piggly back in with the FAST stuff also.
Call them and talk to Greg

Hope this helps
Robbie


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 21, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
Thanks for the option Robbie, we need to talk with Donnie at Racepack and then descide if we want to go another route. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 21, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
Edlebrock


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 21, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
Edelbrock what and where?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on November 21, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
Edelbrock, Quick Data. It's what we run currently. I'm looking into the info on FAST. I thought it was a seperate data recorder. I'll let you know. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on November 21, 2009, 10:53:40 PM
Troy I have a friend that has a FAST Dash / datalogger and the 8 channel egt stuff. He has about 4 passes on it so it all pretty new. Do you want me to ask him how much he wants for it?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 22, 2009, 10:58:47 AM
Sure, it never hurts to find out how much the used stuff costs.  Can you find out model number too? :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on November 22, 2009, 11:05:13 AM
Dang,  you guys are all Modern and Technical !!!

My data logger is,  My Ears, Throttle Pedal and Seat of the Pants...  But I guess I am going to have to step up and join you Modern guys,,,

I thought I could Run Classic Class and not need any electronics...

Charles


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 22, 2009, 11:19:25 AM
We really need to monitor our EGTs, we stretched too many valves on both intake and exhaust.  We also need to modify or relocate our AF sensor, we may be getting an inaccurate reading resulting in unwanted results. :-o  Spend a lot to save even more. :roll: :roll:  This is still amature racing right? :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on November 22, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
Dynoroom's signiture says it all. Without data, you're just a man with an opinion.

I'll ask Matt what he want's for his egt stuff and dashlogger.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 23, 2009, 12:27:32 AM
Dang,  you guys are all Modern and Technical !!!

My data logger is,  My Ears, Throttle Pedal and Seat of the Pants...  But I guess I am going to have to step up and join you Modern guys,,,

I thought I could Run Classic Class and not need any electronics...

Charles

  We were the same way Charles [for years] but when we had the car on the dyno for the 1st time last year and they had to shut the run down [ 2096 hp 1960+ torque at 5900 rpm] with mechanical fuel injection because it was lean I finnaly gave up and went with the EFI. We tried to richen it with a boost richening device but it was real hard to start and always was,now it starts great and we have a lot of data to look at after runs but still need more.


                                                               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Drury on November 23, 2009, 12:53:11 PM
  The guys at Fast told me not to have the A/F sensor too close to the end of the collector, as it will get a false reading... keep it upstream near the merge. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 23, 2009, 03:58:38 PM
  The guys at Fast told me not to have the A/F sensor too close to the end of the collector, as it will get a false reading... keep it upstream near the merge. 

   We have zoomies similar to funny cars Bob, 12'' from head and 16'' from end of pipe.

            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 24, 2009, 10:21:51 AM
Dynoroom's signiture says it all. Without data, you're just a man with an opinion.

I'll ask Matt what he want's for his egt stuff and dashlogger.

usually a strong opinion.   :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on November 24, 2009, 09:52:11 PM
LOL


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 25, 2009, 05:22:19 PM
Just a small list of things we need to do before we run next year.
1.  Take out tranny and install near overdrive gearing.
2.  Take out block and balance the internals again.
3.  New zoomies
4.  EGT/data logger?
5.  Rebuild heads(in progress)
6.  A piston or two
7.  Fix crack in water tank
8.  Put it back together
9.  More dyno time

if I forgot something JL222 will add to the list


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 25, 2009, 07:12:51 PM
Just a small list of things we need to do before we run next year.
1.  Take out tranny and install near overdrive gearing.
2.  Take out block and balance the internals again.
3.  New zoomies
4.  EGT/data logger?
5.  Rebuild heads(in progress)
6.  A piston or two
7.  Fix crack in water tank
8.  Put it back together
9.  More dyno time

if I forgot something JL222 will add to the list

  Water injection into front of Pro-charger :-)

    JL222

     


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 27, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
We have forgotten about the new rule, we need another head restraint system.  Does this mean we can remove the new 2 inch side to side padding we just installed? :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 21, 2009, 11:56:50 PM
We got one of these in the mail a little while back.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/plack.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on December 22, 2009, 12:24:15 AM
Nice!!!     :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Ellis on December 22, 2009, 03:30:01 AM
Well done guy's . you certainly earned that trophy!! 300 next year? Yeah! Like I've said before,a 300mph doorslammer is AWESOME!!
Cheers guys , Bob.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 22, 2009, 11:57:21 AM
Well done guy's . you certainly earned that trophy!! 300 next year? Yeah! Like I've said before,a 300mph doorslammer is AWESOME!!
Cheers guys , Bob.

Next year is comming up soon!  I guess we should start our 2010 rebuild. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 28, 2009, 03:45:34 PM
  Just reading by Christmas present ( The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine by Sir Harry Ricardo) and convinced now more than ever to go back to water injection. His research suggest injecting water into the impeller which gives the additional benefit of cooling the blower plus the air but also the benefit of steam as an anti-knock. Both water+methanol and steam were tested independently to assess separately its too functions.


                JL222 :cheers:

                                      


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Drury on December 28, 2009, 05:17:03 PM
  How about beer, and make the motor happy at the same time?     :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on December 28, 2009, 05:50:11 PM
I have been reading my Christmas present to me :-D.Four-stroke Performance Tuning by A Graham Bell. Whew, my friend who recomended, said it would give me a headache, close.

  Fred


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 28, 2009, 07:31:47 PM
  How about beer, and make the motor happy at the same time?     :cheers:

  Maybe we could get a sponsorship. Good idea :-D

           JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 28, 2009, 10:42:56 PM
Where will the water tank go?  Possibly above the lower blower tube?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on December 28, 2009, 11:12:47 PM
It's nice to see the wheels turning again for the Langlo's.

I'll be watching with interest.

Bonneville NW Reunion   FEB 13th

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on December 28, 2009, 11:14:09 PM
Where will the water tank go?  Possibly above the lower blower tube?

Just be quiet & drive.....  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 29, 2009, 05:03:11 PM
Where will the water tank go?  Possibly above the lower blower tube?

  The intercooler water would be good but they want a sealed tank  :wink:

               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on December 31, 2009, 08:30:22 AM
I was just wondering if you are having a problem with detonation or a motor durability issue, or if its just the racers addiction of always wanting more power ?

I don't know all the ins and outs of your car and team of course but if it's not a detonation problem it appears to me that you will go alot faster than you have with the power you have once you sort through the few bugs that have stopped the car from ripping off a really stupendous number.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all because I deff. am not. I'm just trying to be the voice of reason, I have a couple of good friends that always have to kick me back on the right track as I tend to get carried away with making more power and it must be worse in your case with the power production being the Sky's the limit.

 I hope that rambling made a little sense and that you get my drift.
Basically it just looks to me like you guys are gonna break some records with extreme prejudice with the current the current set up.

P.S.- I  your car is one of my favorites.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 31, 2009, 12:48:12 PM

  Thanks Evo

 Were not trying to make more power right now and our main problem [ besides blower tube blow offs] at speedweek was stretching the valves even though the air fuel ratio showed high tens to low elevens. We hope to install pyrometers on each exhaust to monitor the cylinder temps and water injection to help with detonation. We can't figure out why things got so hot as the intake temp was only 140 degrees leaving the intercooler at the end of the runs and it seemed to be rich enough and the plugs showed no signs of excess heat. Its like it might be retarded but set only 2 degrees less than normal.
 After we make these changes we'll put it back on Precision Auto's dyno and see whats going on.
  One other change is going to 3/8 stem inconell exhaust [which we haven't been able to get on time in the past] and titaniam intakes.

                           JL222 :cheers:




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on December 31, 2009, 12:56:10 PM
Inconel exhaust and Beryllium seats help for sure.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2009, 02:20:43 PM

I don't know all the ins and outs of your car and team of course but if it's not a detonation problem it appears to me that you will go alot faster than you have with the power you have once you sort through the few bugs that have stopped the car from ripping off a really stupendous number.

P.S.- I  your car is one of my favorites.
[/quote]

Well, yes and no.  We haven't had a great 5 mile time yet, but a 285mph number in the first timed mile is in the top three for any doorslammer.(I think) :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on December 31, 2009, 02:31:41 PM
We didn't do a 285 in the first mile. Our 285 was in the middle mile. I think you guys are in the top 2 with that speed!!!   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
Not sure what Leggit did in the first mile but Blowfish went 286 in the first mile at the finals.  The good news for us is that we were not on the throttle as hard as we wanted because my dad wanted to qualify and not spin out like on his record return run that morning.  Also the blower tube popped off about 2-3 seconds before the mile trap(taching 312).  If we can get all of the gremlins fix, then we will have a pretty good number at the 5. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on December 31, 2009, 03:57:06 PM
Yep, forgot about the Blowfish.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on December 31, 2009, 04:55:32 PM
Troy or John,

What is your static compression ratio? What is the maximum boost on a run?

Thanks,

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2009, 05:51:59 PM
We're running 8 1/2 to 1 and we ran 36lbs of boost at bonneville. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on December 31, 2009, 06:23:17 PM
What type of fuel do you run ?
I was under the impression that you run methanol.
Did you have the inconell ex valves at bonneville or not. If you didn't this will be a huge help, at the power I put down on gas my valves would tweak within a weekend with regular stainless ex. valves, inconell lasts way longer.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on December 31, 2009, 06:43:42 PM
Strickly gas, we may jump to the fuel class next year if we go over 300 and get a record.  If we do jump into the fuel class we will still run gas.  We run the A8C I believe it's a 120 octane (research method).  Last year we got two runs in at 286 middle mile(header broke) and 279 middle(not running very good) and found out we bent a valve.  We took both heads up to Chapman Racing Heads and replaced all of the intake and exhaust valves.  We didn't have enough time to get the high dollar valves we wanted.  These valves lasted 6 and 1/2 miles before they went bad.  The last run we went 285 with no valve clearence at the end of that run.  One of our heads is being picked up this weekend after being welded up near the spark plug thread.  Once we get that one back they will have inconell exhaust and titanium intakes. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on December 31, 2009, 07:10:04 PM
Do you guys run piston squirters?  not EDM rods constant spray up the bore to bottom of pistons?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 01, 2010, 01:20:11 PM
Nope, but that is some great technology.  Maybe someday. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 02, 2010, 11:30:35 PM
Do you guys run piston squirters?  not EDM rods constant spray up the bore to bottom of pistons?

  I read an article about a guy with a tubo chev and a datson [168 in 1/4 mile drags and a car he claimed to drive to his machine shop] doing that about 15 years ago and I'm suprised that more engine builders don't do it. He machined a groove in the main bearing saddles [under the bearings and over to the oil feed] and made some kind of squirter aimed at the inside bottom of pistons. He claimed it took a bunch of heat away from the piston head but I don't know how he measured it [ he gave a number] but it did fix a problem he had. It seems that boring a hole up the middle of a rod would work but i'm waiting for somebody else to do it.

                JL222

                  


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on January 03, 2010, 09:06:39 AM
most now drill a hole through the upper part of a main saddle and install a small screw in tube that can be aimed others build a mainfold and lip over into the bottom of a bore.---Turbo Diesels have been doing it for years and years---even have passages through underpart of the piston crown like a rear end lube channel.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on January 03, 2010, 10:09:54 AM
I don't want to over step my boundaries and I may be wrong as I haven't tuned a high hp big blocks but I would check the plugs and if there is no sign of detonation I would start adding timing to the tune up as this will lower the egts. I also think it's a great idea to data log the egt from each cyl. I'm looking into a setup at this time.
If I remember correctly you also had some problems with the old intercooler setup and you now have a new one?, I believe you should be able to lower the intake temps quite a bit with a better properly sized and installed intercooler set up. The reason I say properly installed is because I have seen large differences in temps just by changing the routing of the water lines to straighten them out.
On my old core I thought it was working just fine, then I moved to a larger core with a better lay out and now the temps plummet as soon as I turn on the pump and they stay well under 100 degree's at the end of a run, I have even decreased the amount of ice I run in the tank as the temps can get to cold, the engine really doesn't like below 50* intake temps.

Anyway sorry for he whole intercooler tangent, what I was trying to get at is that if you lower the intake temp you lower the chance of detonation and can increase the timing thereby further lowering the egt.

If I'm wrong please correct me.

           Mike Reichen


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: salt27 on January 03, 2010, 03:32:34 PM
Do you guys run piston squirters?  not EDM rods constant spray up the bore to bottom of pistons?

My experience with piston squirters is that they can raise oil temperature [the heat has to go somewhere].
Probably not a concern with a large enough dry sump, but it may be an issue with a marginal oil system.
Just something to beware of.

Don


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 03, 2010, 03:44:22 PM
  Evo
   How much boost and how far are you going to get those numbers?
  Your right about the lower the intake temps the lower the exhaust temps. In Ricardo's book he states the intake temp is doubled at the end of compression stroke [on his test engine] so lowering the temp can be a big benefit in that area. We are real happy with our new intercooler.

                       JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on January 03, 2010, 03:57:59 PM
John or Troy,

Have you ever tried running lower boost levels on the dyno?   

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 03, 2010, 04:22:11 PM
John or Troy,

Have you ever tried running lower boost levels on the dyno?  

Tom G.

  We can see the power rise with the boost on the print out sheet. More boost more power :-D
  Were not looking to add more boost and were getting 36 lbs at 6850 now and will be even more at 7000 plus
  I don't believe boost hurts the motor but detonation does, the John dear type diesel tractor pullers have run 250 lbs of boost [and injecting water at 3 gal min] because their just compressing air and injecting the fuel when the piston is going in the right direction.

             JL222
    


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on January 03, 2010, 05:32:11 PM
JL222- I have run around 40 psi on the dyno with a new intake manifold and the current setup it puts down 1093 awhp, this is on race gas and my old turbo and header setup. This turbo should max out somewhere around 1150 awhp then it's onto a new header and a bigger turbo(this is to run the mile not Bonneville).
Oh by the way my block comes standard with piston squirters. When I drag raced I did not use them but now that I am land speed racing I am using them once again.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 03, 2010, 05:51:15 PM
EVO,
I know you have probably posted this info already, but what do you run for a drive train. 1100 hp is a ton of torque and that is what kills transmissions.

John and Troy,
Sounds like your update and rebuild is going good, let me know when you are going to the dyno and I may take a special trip to the valley to watch. Are you going to do double wall headers like funny cars??

John, you are right about the "Super Stock" tractor pullers using some really unbelievable blower boost numbers but remember a big JD or IH has a crank shaft that probably weights more than your engine. They are really stout.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 03, 2010, 11:04:15 PM
Rex, we haven't worked on the car in a while.  It's a new year now so we need to get working on it soon.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on January 04, 2010, 12:13:46 AM
Very interesting.................

I've not used oil squirters, however they will cool the piston. Below are a few other ways to do this also...

So will thicker rings (.062 vs. .043) this is how heat is transferred to the cylinder wall then the coolant, Chargeair cooling (for every degree drop in inlet temp you will see an equal drop in exhaust temp) don't believe me, ask Ricardo etc., More piston skirt contact area (again heat transfer to the coolant), and a thicker piston deck or crown (this is again how the heat is removed from the chamber to the cooling system).

Oil on the bottom of the pistons is fine but a few things to keep in the back of your mind when you do this.

If your oil supply is limited (say 5 to 7 quarts) you can overheat the oil so you might want to run a cooler.

Pay attention to your oil pressure. 8 oil squirters will reduce oil pressure to the engine.

Most race engines are concerned with crankcase windage. Shooting 8 nozzles at the bottom of your pistons rotating at 8000 rpm does what?

Also keep in mind that if you are not running a drysump or high crankcase vacuum you probally already have plenty of oil splashing on the bottom of your pistons.

The above information is my point of view regarding boosted engines at Bonneville. In-line 4's, 6's, & V-6's etc. are included

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on January 04, 2010, 07:36:42 AM
Rex- My drivetrain consists of a stock rear diff with solid mounting and the taller talon gear, driveshaft shop custom rear axles with evo 8 rear hubs, a custom 2 piece driveshaft shop driveshaft, a shepard transmissions upgraded t-case, a stock trans with Shepard(PPG) dog gears 1-4 and a stock talon 5th gear, the clutch is a Tilton carbon-carbon twin disc with a hydraulic throwout bearing.
As far as torque goes it doesn't have alot compared to JL's car but it is pretty Dodge good for a 122 Ci engine, it lays down about 700 lb ft at all 4 wheels. I don't know how many of you are acquainted with awd dyno numbers but we have done comparisons between awd and 2 wd with the same car at the same dyno on the same day and it is between 8-10 % higher when in 2wd mode. So you would take any numbers I put up and roughly multiply by 10% so around 750 lb ft torque at 2 wheels.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 05, 2010, 08:21:30 PM
Our motor is 4 times larger than yours yet we do not have 4 times the HP or torque.  I would say that your motor is pretty darn impressive. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jacksoni on January 06, 2010, 08:11:05 AM
Do you guys run piston squirters?  not EDM rods constant spray up the bore to bottom of pistons?

  I read an article about a guy with a tubo chev and a datson [168 in 1/4 mile drags and a car he claimed to drive to his machine shop] doing that about 15 years ago and I'm suprised that more engine builders don't do it. He machined a groove in the main bearing saddles [under the bearings and over to the oil feed] and made some kind of squirter aimed at the inside bottom of pistons. He claimed it took a bunch of heat away from the piston head but I don't know how he measured it [ he gave a number] but it did fix a problem he had. It seems that boring a hole up the middle of a rod would work but i'm waiting for somebody else to do it.

                JL222

                  

http://www.blp.com/pdf/install/DomeOilerInstall1.pdf


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 07, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
Nice find, thanks for the info.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 10, 2010, 11:41:48 PM
Just received this nice picture, the photo was from Laser Imagaing(their spelling) at speedweek. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bonnevillepic.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on January 11, 2010, 12:52:57 AM
Nice picture!!!   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on January 11, 2010, 03:22:06 AM
And well earned. :cheers: :cheers: :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 11, 2010, 11:12:23 AM
I was under the car taking the drive shaft off and thought to myself it sure is nice to working on the car and being able to watch playoff games. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/wheelwell.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on January 11, 2010, 10:34:58 PM
 :-D :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 12, 2010, 12:12:32 AM
We got our head all welded up and it will join it's twin sometime this week at the head hospital for valve replacement and upgrade. :-D. So we started the 2010 overhall by taking the transmissions out so now the engine compartment is next. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on January 12, 2010, 09:14:05 PM
Troy,
What valves will you be using?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 12, 2010, 10:48:05 PM
Manley


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 12, 2010, 11:20:54 PM
Ok, I'm on my home computer now.  Here is a picture of our repaired head.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/fixedhead.jpg)

We took the head in today and order new Manley valves.  The exhaust will be Inconel and the Intake will be Titanium.  We should have them back in a month, with plenty of time to get other engine components worked on.

Our transmissions in:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tranny1.jpg)

Our transmissions out:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/trannyout.jpg)

Next is to take out the blower plate and the block.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on January 13, 2010, 12:32:08 AM
Did a good job on repairing your head.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 13, 2010, 10:27:54 AM
Did a good job on repairing your head.   :cheers:

the center cylinder(see picture)spark plug was a little dinged up.  A couple friends did the work, Walt did the welding and Chief did the finish work.  Both from Santa Barbara and both helped in the origional build of the car.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on January 13, 2010, 11:01:00 AM

  All the small pinholes in the same chamber are from a previous repair job [dropped a valve in 03 resulting in a slower record
and chamber looked like hamberger]. The same guys did the repair work Walt Waiton did the welding with his trick welder that adds very little heat and therefore does not require preheating and on recent repair we didn't have to replace the seats. Chief Galbraith did the machining and replaced the seats on the welded up 03 repair on his C@C machine which was not easy because of shape.

          JL222


                                         


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 18, 2010, 09:21:45 PM
Since our heads are in the shop and that is our main upgrade for the year I wanted to share some pictures of "Chapman Racing Heads" shop.  These guys were recommended by many Bonneville racers and I was givin direction to the shop by Larry Volk.  This shop is very friendly to Bonneville racers during speed week.  The problem we ran into wasn't Chapman Racing, it was the availability to get good valves overnight.  They really got our heads together quick and we got to finish speed week with some amazing runs after we got the engine back together.  Here are a few pictures of Chapman Racing Heads.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman3.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman4.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chapman5.jpg)

Big Mike is the man in charge of the shop and when you call be sure to ask for him.  They also had some pretty impressive customers on their shop board.  I know spelling will be an issue here but here I go, Genalossi and Dutweiller just to name a couple.  There were many other but these two stood out the most. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on January 18, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
That's a nice looking shop!!!    :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 19, 2010, 09:15:19 AM
...and seeing the fellow in the photo -- running -- makes a good impression, too.  They don't sit around drinking coffee!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on January 19, 2010, 09:43:26 AM
Mike Chapman is for sure no stranger to the salt. I am pretty sure he was involved with Skidmores efforts long ago. And today he is involved with Nish and several others.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 19, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Found a picture of "Big Mike" working on one of our valves.  He is the guy in charge of the shop, the owner is Mike Chapman

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bigmike.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: krusty on January 19, 2010, 08:26:52 PM
In 2008 we had a "slight overrev" on our 23* Pontiac heads. I pulled them, got to Chapman at 4pm, and was on my way back to Wendover @ 9pm with 16 new valves (needed only 15!), seats recut, etc. Big Mike is the MAN! He "borrowed" some new Manleys from another customer's build, did the same with some pedestal shims, and got us back on track. Absolutely the greatest service.    vic 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 20, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
Yes, big Mike goes over the top for racers in need at Bonneville that is for sure.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on January 20, 2010, 06:10:52 PM
That is a very nice looking shop.
I love how clean and orderly it is. It seems to me that everytime I have found a really good machinst there shops look like this(well maybe not that good).
What makes it even better is the fact that they go out of there way to take care of the racers.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on January 20, 2010, 10:23:34 PM
I was told today from a reliable source that Chapman Racing Heads closed it's doors yesterday. I sure hope that it is only temporary but I have a suspicion that it is not. Too bad..........


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 21, 2010, 01:53:53 PM
I just tried calling Chapman Racing and there was no answer and no recorder. :cry:  That is a real bummer, they were very friendly and helpful to us and i'm sure many other racers.  I hope that they can re-open at a later date.  Good luck to all of those that worked there. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on January 21, 2010, 02:01:29 PM
Another that closed is DC Water Jet in Las Vegas.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 22, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
Another that closed is DC Water Jet in Las Vegas.

These guys are fellow racers, right?  Don't they run a vette?  Gary is the name I'm thinking of but not sure if I have formally met them.  Good luck to them and any others that may have temporarily lost a job.   Where is the stimulus already?  :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on January 22, 2010, 06:51:23 PM
I just tried calling Chapman Racing and there was no answer and no recorder. :cry:  That is a real bummer, they were very friendly and helpful to us and i'm sure many other racers. 

Troy,

This was posted today on the Chapman Racing website.

Tom G.

Jan  22  2010

Chapman Racing heads will be staying open. We as a team are not ready to close even though Mike is retiring.

Please keep checking the website and we will let you know what is going on.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on January 23, 2010, 12:55:53 AM
Hang in there Chapman Racing.

The appreciation of your work, talent and willingness to "bail out the B'ville racer" goes on even as difficulties cross your path.

You are so faithful to a unique group of people and that adds stars to your crown.

Add a surcharge to whatever you do and you will likely have very little resistance from the racers. You are like the physicians

that are there when your breach baby is being born and both Mom and child survive because of your skill. We don't ask the

physician how much extra it is going to cost to save our wife and newborn.  

Sorta like a racers engine.

FREUD



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 23, 2010, 06:45:24 PM
I just tried calling Chapman Racing and there was no answer and no recorder. :cry:  That is a real bummer, they were very friendly and helpful to us and i'm sure many other racers. 

Troy,

This was posted today on the Chapman Racing website.

Tom G.

Jan  22  2010

Chapman Racing heads will be staying open. We as a team are not ready to close even though Mike is retiring.

Please keep checking the website and we will let you know what is going on.

That's great news for them; so is Mike the owner retiring and is "Big Mike" still going to run the shop? :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 25, 2010, 11:06:02 AM
Since we have rebuilt this car/engine and first ran in 08 we are now improving on the other parts to make the car more reliable.  First the heads are being upgraded as we speak.  Secondly we will be putting in taller gears(unexpected but good news).  Then we will be putting in a water injection system for cooler impeller/engine temps.  We will be monitoring the EGTs and lastly we need to build new headers.  At the last two speed weeks we have had to re-weld these, what a pain in the butt.  We want to watch more racing and do less thrashing this year. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 31, 2010, 11:50:21 AM
just a couple videos from the past for those who haven't yet seen them on this forum.

May El Mirage 08 before we added spill plates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

inside car view of the same run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on January 31, 2010, 12:08:32 PM
This one is from El Mirage in May of 09.  We have our spill plates on and I was able to continue after I got a little sideways.  The spill plates helped get me back straight quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

our last dyno run with the car.  We will have a new one this year before the El Mirage May meet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJApvHuDpL0


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on January 31, 2010, 12:25:42 PM
Just like the fetching of an arrow.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on January 31, 2010, 10:19:12 PM
I thought Chapman had everything for sale a year ago.  Guess he hung around a bit longer.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on January 31, 2010, 10:32:01 PM
It is SO good to see that you are on the upgrade for 2010.  I will eagerly anticipate an upward spike in this year results.

I saw Freddie at the SCTA Awards Banquet Saturday night. He picked up a new set of wheels for his streamliner project.

Start work now and be ready before the next meet. You sleep better that way.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rightytighty on February 07, 2010, 04:40:06 PM
Hey Troy,

Enjoy your thread but your videos could use some help.. Not trying to be a jerk, but this product is cheap and works great.

http://www.goprocamera.com/products

I mentioned this to you, last time we chatted at the pizza joint..

We use it on drag boats.  The wind noise is muted and you still get to enjoy the engine sounds.  The wide angle  view is killer..  We mount one forward and one back ward.. Bad Acura..

Here's a sample from a K boat.. (it's a blown alcohol roundy-round boat).  Takes about a minute to get it warmed up, but it's a real good example of the quality.. You'll see one of the cameras suctioned to the nose of the boat in one of the angles..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb69AWD8geE&feature=player_embedded

Best $300 you'll spend this year IMO...   Mostly because, I'll be able to see your car run a little more clearly.....

Selfish interest!  :-D


Neil


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 08, 2010, 12:48:49 AM

  Looks like a great little video camera Niel. Dang I just bought another brand last speedweek had somebody tape our 1st run but it got erased somehow :? Good info for anyone looking for a video camera and good price too. Thanks.


                          JL222



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 08, 2010, 11:26:09 AM
Neil it was good to see you again and chat about racing.  Thanks for posting the go pro link, if I don't write it down I forget.   :-D. Looks like a great product and the audio sounds great on that boat video. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DSR88 on February 10, 2010, 06:12:31 PM
Hi Troy, I have been reading some of these pages on you car 63 pages is alot to read. I have always liked your guy's hot rod { impressive} 
   I seen you watched the video by your comment the D/BG motor was to shake the new car down we knew it would be good for 250 to 260 and we ended up being right. We bumped our own record 10 mph with the same engine out of the old car w/ 5 lbs less boost.As for 300 we have a bigger engine ready to go.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 10, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
Your CC is impressive and very clean.  Good luck to you guys, but I hope we go 300 first.... :-D :-D kidding of course


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DSR88 on February 10, 2010, 09:11:30 PM
Different classes but same GOALS and both cars have doors on them!!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like 2010 is going to be fun.Good luck to you guy's too.Your closer than we are but we will try to sneek up on ya 8-)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 12go3az on February 11, 2010, 12:21:24 PM
Donnie told me I needed to check out your build site.    Real Nice !!
   Many years ago while brother & i were looking @ your car at B-ville  some guys came over & were discussing how & why your prochargers setup would NEVER work.    Later that same day you guys later went REALY FAST.  Made our day!
Nice car, see u in August.
                                         be safe-GO FAST! 










Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 11, 2010, 08:07:36 PM
When we first built our car we were one of if not the first to have two centrifugal superchargers on an engine at Bonneville.  The looks we got every year were comical, people would come up and tell their friends;  "see those big turbos"?  Some would say that the engine compartment was a plumbers nightmare!  The car worked very good with the old set up, but it was difficult to start, tune at low RPM's, and the set up was hard on the blowers.  Now that we have our new "Build" finished, the car is more predictable.  Easier to start, computer mapping, different overdrive, better inter-cooler and so on.  The one thing that stays the same is when people see the engine they now say, look at the huge turbo!!?  Yet we still have to explain that there is a belt attached to it and it's called a centrifugal supercharger made by Procharger. :-D  


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: robfrey on February 11, 2010, 10:20:07 PM
I'm thinking you guys are going to much faster than 300mph. The math says so! LOL. Should be a fun year for you guys.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 12, 2010, 10:42:17 AM
I'm thinking you guys are going to much faster than 300mph. The math says so! LOL. Should be a fun year for you guys.

We have run the numbers too and as long as we don't break anything and can make a few passes without problems then we think we'll run a great number.  The great white dyno hasn't been kind to us in the past 20 years, maybe this can be a great year.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on February 12, 2010, 11:29:25 AM
Turbos with Zoomies, howd ya do that? :-D :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hitz on February 12, 2010, 11:41:34 AM
big supercharger not turbo

harv


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on February 12, 2010, 03:30:41 PM
big supercharger not turbo

harv
:-D+ :evil:=attempt at humor.  :roll:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on February 12, 2010, 11:21:29 PM
big supercharger not turbo

harv
:-D+ :evil:=attempt at humor.  :roll:

Brian, I knew what you ment. :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 05, 2010, 10:15:44 PM
Been busy lately, so getting up to the car has been few and far between.  Tomorrow we will be taking out the blower system, the block and clutch.  It's that time of the year again. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 06, 2010, 01:14:52 AM
 
  I'm also trying to decide on a water injection system how much water to inject, and were to mount the tank.
  Looks like about 1/2 gal min and 250 psi pump and a one gal tank and one of the simpler kits, or we might make our own
 package up.

         JL222

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 07, 2010, 12:18:01 AM
Got the engine and blower system out, now we need to do a complete tear down.  The clutch, flywheel, crank, cam....  You get the picture.  Should have it all back together before the second week of May. :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 07, 2010, 01:20:27 PM
John and Troy,
Any thoughts of trying to make Elmo in May?

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 07, 2010, 01:42:37 PM
John and Troy,
Any thoughts of trying to make Elmo in May?

Rex

 Hi Rex... Yes, now that Elmo has been flooded were planning on running. Troy implied that the engine needed to be completely torn down but the only thing left in the engine is the crank and cam. The heads are at the head shop and the only reason we pulled the engine is to check the balance of the crank and flywheel assembly.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 07, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
John,
Are you planning to put your car on the dyno again? If so let me know as I would really like to watch!

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 07, 2010, 11:57:09 PM
Rex we will have it on the dyno before the May meet, we'll keep you posted. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 11, 2010, 03:15:24 PM
Here's a couple pictures of our engine compartment getting cleared out.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/motorout1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/motorout2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/motorout3.jpg)

Just a picture of our two motors, the A we are currently running on the right and our AA on the left.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/twomotors.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on March 11, 2010, 06:37:09 PM
If u use the AA engine, does it have to go to meetings?

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on March 11, 2010, 08:24:14 PM
Freud,

Only if it becomes an oilaholic!

Lynda


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 11, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
If u use the AA engine, does it have to go to meetings?

FREUD

    It's been sentenced to meetings at El Mirage and Bville busting dirt and salt :-P

             JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on March 12, 2010, 09:50:17 AM
John and Troy, you guys should think about going to coil packs and crank trigger ignition instead of the distributor. Your geeks can run it through the computer, that's a great system. We put that on the straight 8 Buick, it's rock solid, no movement at the balancer with the timing light.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 12, 2010, 10:08:13 AM
John and Troy, you guys should think about going to coil packs and crank trigger ignition instead of the distributor. Your geeks can run it through the computer, that's a great system. We put that on the straight 8 Buick, it's rock solid, no movement at the balancer with the timing light.

Gary the distributor acts only as a source to deliver spark.  We do have a crank sensor and it runs off of our FAST unit.  A deception that you noticed. :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on March 12, 2010, 10:28:10 AM
Troy, you still get a lot of slop in the delivery of the spark, plus using one coil instead of 8. You would like the coil packs.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 12, 2010, 12:05:52 PM
Your right coil packs would be great, we used to run the electromotive ones when we ran dual plugs.  We have other goodies on our wish list before we worry about the ignition system. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 12, 2010, 06:21:47 PM
First on our wish list is a Racepak system and then the water injection, then we will see after that. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: gearheadeh on March 12, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
Your right coil packs would be great, we used to run the electromotive ones when we ran dual plugs.

Why pray tell are you not running dual plug heads now? Are they not the best with ultra high boost?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 12, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
Your right coil packs would be great, we used to run the electromotive ones when we ran dual plugs.

Why pray tell are you not running dual plug heads now? Are they not the best with ultra high boost?

   The blown alcohol drag guys only use 1 plug and they run more boost than us. 16 plugs are a pta when you warm the engine just before a run. With the Electromotive we ran two units without a distrbutor with no problems for years but it had no spark just before speedweek one year and the fix we tried didn't work so it was MSD time. This unit is more powerfull and has some features that other ignitions don't.

                               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 15, 2010, 10:58:09 PM
Got word today that our valves have not come in yet.  Waiting on parts is no fun!   :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 20, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Has anyone heard of any recent problems with Manley valves?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on March 20, 2010, 11:12:42 AM
No mechanical problems or service issues here. Who did you order them from? I get about 1-2 week turn around on custom length, or head & stem dia.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 20, 2010, 02:22:23 PM
I heard something about the coating that they put on the valve not lasting?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 21, 2010, 11:04:15 PM
Got some good news on our heads.  Our valves are in and the heads have been worked, just waiting on some trick lash caps and then we will put them together.  We have a naked KB now, the crank will go get checked for balanced and the block will get a little beebee hone soon.  Lots of things to still do, but we have about 7 weeks to get done before the May meet at Elmo.  Here is a little picture of Keith Black undressed. :cheers:



(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hemi.jpg)




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on March 22, 2010, 09:36:50 AM
I had coatings come of my Ti valves---were told not to tuch them with my uncovered fingers, run stronger springs, and lash caps!!!!!!!  not Manleys


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 22, 2010, 04:48:04 PM
I had coatings come of my Ti valves---were told not to tuch them with my uncovered fingers, run stronger springs, and lash caps!!!!!!!  not Manleys

what do you like to run Sparky?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 23, 2010, 09:07:31 AM
While I'm waiting and curious on what Sparky uses, our head guy ordered Victory valves for us.  A lot of parts have been ordered and more yet to be.  The next couple of weeks will be waiting on the rest to come in and then it's go time. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 26, 2010, 12:43:28 AM
  Picked up the heads new titanium intakes, inconel exhaust and half of new trick retainer lash cap combo,now recovering from sticker shock!!
  Also spent 11/2 hrs talking to Rodney at ALCOHOL INJECTION SYSTEMS .COM [water only for us] looks like we'll be going with a custom setup with them. Way more water than I originally thought, but he is a drag racer himself and has worked with several racers including Bville racers. Before I said anything about our strecthing the valves problem he was telling me about a turboed V6 bville engine that was streching the valves every pass also and how they solved the problem with water injection.
 This is exactly what we want :-D

                JL222



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 26, 2010, 06:57:40 PM
Got to see the heads and valves today.  Nice job on the heads, and I can't believe the weight on those inconel valves.  :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 28, 2010, 05:51:23 PM
John,
Are the inconel valves hollow? or sodium filled? They are probably Inconel 625 which at 1000 deg F is stronger than chrome moly at room temp!! Great stuff.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 28, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
Attention, attention:  This thread -- the build of the Langlo's car -- is nearing a milestone.  It's less than 700 hits away from the magic 100,000 views level.  Who'll be the Forum member that puts it over that mark?  Let's pay attention, hey?  It's a worthy landmark - showing our fascination with the progress of this superb car. 

Best wishes -- and keep up the good work.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 28, 2010, 07:03:30 PM
It's also approaching 1000 replies.  Who'll be the Forum member that puts it over that mark?

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on March 28, 2010, 07:22:03 PM
Add one more


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 28, 2010, 10:07:11 PM
John,
Are the inconel valves hollow? or sodium filled? They are probably Inconel 625 which at 1000 deg F is stronger than chrome moly at room temp!! Great stuff.

Rex
 
  Hi Rex...Troy was referring to how heavy they are and no their solid , not filled with anything, but I've got an old WW2 Radial cyl head that does and its a hemi also.
 From what I understand inconel was developed for these old WW2 engines.

                          JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 29, 2010, 10:27:38 AM
John,
Are the inconel valves hollow? or sodium filled? They are probably Inconel 625 which at 1000 deg F is stronger than chrome moly at room temp!! Great stuff.

Rex
 
  Hi Rex...Troy was referring to how heavy they are and no their solid , not filled with anything, but I've got an old WW2 Radial cyl head that does and its a hemi also.
 From what I understand inconel was developed for these old WW2 engines.

                          JL222

I thought the price of the inconel valves would be close to the titanium, man was I wrong.  Titanium are much more pricey. :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 29, 2010, 06:12:36 PM
Every few pages I will put these videos up so they are easy to find if interested. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on March 29, 2010, 09:24:37 PM
thanks for vid.
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on March 30, 2010, 08:04:37 AM
You'll be happy with the Victory valves. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 30, 2010, 02:56:56 PM

  Water injection system ordered from Alcohol Injection Systems and on the way shortly. 2 -250PSI pumps to maintain atomization 1 big jet before supercharger and 4 small ones after intercooler. 3 gallon tank which we hope to fit above the wheel tubs and behind driver seat.

                JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on March 30, 2010, 07:53:55 PM
Take a before and after picture of the impeller vanes. Sounds interesting . . .I would like to see what they look like.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 30, 2010, 09:20:20 PM
Take a before and after picture of the impeller vanes. Sounds interesting . . .I would like to see what they look like.

  If your talking about erosion of the supercharger impeller vanes they say its not a problem on belt driven centrifugals as the speed is slower than turbos and i've never had a problem in the past even though we didn't mist the injection as much as these newer styles.
 We didn't talk to much about turbos but he did about injecting water between stages of diesel  pullers, which the tractor pullers have been doing for over 20 years that I know of.
 One reason I went with this company is they recommend imjecting before the supercharger which removes a lot of temperature were as other companys recomend after the intercooler.
                            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on March 30, 2010, 10:15:15 PM
Good point about the rpm difference, JL.  I am assuming about 50% less. (120K rpm  vs. 60k rpm) give or take a few rpm. Like I said this is interesting. Are you going to EM in May?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on March 30, 2010, 11:39:23 PM
Good point about the rpm difference, JL.  I am assuming about 50% less. (120K rpm  vs. 60k rpm) give or take a few rpm. Like I said this is interesting. Are you going to EM in May?

  Planing on El Mirage in May all parts for engine are in and hope to start assembling block Sat.

                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on March 30, 2010, 11:49:27 PM
Great! "Live" has just gotta be better than see it on U-Tube.  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2010, 10:08:30 AM
Looks like it will dry up enough here to get the block BB honed and cleaned up outside.  Then work on assembly inside.  Would be great to get the block assemble on sat.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2010, 11:02:54 AM
Ding, Ding, Ding... I got the 100,000th hit. :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on March 31, 2010, 01:08:23 PM
Congrats!! Maybe Jon will give you a bumper sticker :evil: :-D :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 31, 2010, 01:21:00 PM
Yeah, okay, whatever -- give me a PM with your mailing address and I'll send you a bumper sticker.  Thanks. Thunder -- for not telling him that I'd send Nancy over to pose for a photo opportunity. :roll:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on March 31, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
Jon, you've got to quit sharing Nancy like that!!  You'll wear the poor girl out posing with all those guys!   :-D

Lynda


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on March 31, 2010, 02:28:50 PM
Lynda,

I ain't sure but I think Jon thinks Nancy's fine art work only looks good posed next to race bikes (and YES it does) but what he has over looked is the fact that having her pose with my Cars would be even better !!!!   :evil: :evil: :cheers:

Charles



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 31, 2010, 02:34:19 PM
Charles -- have a camera with you next weekend.  Even though you'll ONLY have the Vickie -- Nancy can look good against the black background (my opinion is that she looks good against any background).  If it's sunny -- maybe we can take a super-duper photo to use when you take the car to shows.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on March 31, 2010, 02:40:05 PM
Jon,  you have a deal,,,, now let's hope for bright Carolina Blue Sky's and 72 degrees and a 5mph tail wind/breeze to keep the flying critters away.

See ya next Friday

Charles


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2010, 07:52:32 PM
    You guys have fun at the races....  Here is a video that shows our 268mph 1/4 and 285mph mile time.  As you may notice the sound is terrible(sorry)also you will see our blower pipe separate via the hood poping up.  There is 2-3 seconds of coasting before the mile marker.  Wonder what the time could have been if we were able to excelerate thru the three?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFANJvXAQqU


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on March 31, 2010, 10:28:58 PM
Troy  I bet that scared the hell out of you when it blew off did it??  A little bird told me today the lake bed is in really nice shape.  going to make may meet??


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2010, 10:34:14 PM
Troy  I bet that scared the hell out of you when it blew off did it??  A little bird told me today the lake bed is in really nice shape.  going to make may meet??

I wish I was driving, but my dad was.  I usually drive at El mirage.  If things go well at bonneville then I may drive there as well.  We are definately going to make the may meet.  Engine assembly should start Saturday. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on April 01, 2010, 08:32:34 AM
I sure hope to be there to see you STAND on it!!!!!!! :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 01, 2010, 11:39:22 AM
Troy  I bet that scared the hell out of you when it blew off did it??  A little bird told me today the lake bed is in really nice shape.  going to make may meet??

   Hi Mike... It got my attention for sure but nothing scary as the car was not a bit upset, more like auw sh...t

                  JL222

                       


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 01, 2010, 03:21:19 PM
Looks like were not going to make the may meet. :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on April 01, 2010, 05:22:11 PM
problems  :?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 01, 2010, 08:44:27 PM
Looks like were not going to make the may meet. :evil:

  WHAT!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 01, 2010, 10:16:29 PM
Since the day is almost over on the east I just wanted to say April Fools. :evil:  We will do everything we can to make sure we make the May meet.  I just hope that I didn't jinx our effort by playing a little prank on some. :-D  Thanks for putting up with my silly antics.  :cheers:


                                                     Troy


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on April 02, 2010, 12:19:28 AM
bvillercr


You need a hickory switch taken to your backside!! :x

Other than that...pretty good joke!  :cheers:

Lynda


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on April 02, 2010, 09:13:40 AM
you bummed me out, good one , let see if you pass tech in may :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on April 02, 2010, 09:42:47 AM
I dont even go to El Mirage and I was let down!! :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: theazoldcrow on April 02, 2010, 09:45:27 AM
 :-D  O.K.!  Ya got me also Troy.  See you at Elmo.     Crow.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on April 02, 2010, 11:43:40 AM
MAN what a dirty trick  :x ---just to show just how out of touch my sr mind :oops:  is with reality  :oops: ---but then I never did know what day it was with out looking at the top of the newpaper   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 02, 2010, 12:20:41 PM
MAN what a dirty trick  :x ---just to show just how out of touch my sr mind :oops:  is with reality  :oops: ---but then I never did know what day it was with out looking at the top of the newpaper   :cheers:

  Add another senior mind to the list Sparky, Bville :evil: got me too

    JL222 :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on April 02, 2010, 01:04:28 PM
I'm thinking there just might have to be some serious repercussions from that joke...see you at Land's End bvllercr   :evil:

Lynda


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on April 02, 2010, 01:12:15 PM
LOL


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 02, 2010, 01:31:45 PM
I don't mind a little spanking. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on April 02, 2010, 01:33:52 PM
you wish.  I do believe it's going to be something more severe and less euphoric than a spanking.

Lynda


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on April 02, 2010, 02:03:26 PM
LOL!  999 replies!

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on April 02, 2010, 02:10:15 PM
WooHoo!!  I get to be reply 1000!!!

Lynda


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 02, 2010, 06:24:28 PM
Ok, no more messin around.  We get back on track tomorrow.  Would be great to get the crank and pistons in before easter sunday. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 02, 2010, 06:54:16 PM
Ok, no more messin around.  We get back on track tomorrow.  Would be great to get the crank and pistons in before easter sunday. :cheers:

  Got a lot of ring fileing to do couldn't get the electric one have to use our hand crank :cry:


       JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 02, 2010, 07:26:08 PM
WooHoo!!  I get to be reply 1000!!!

Lynda

  Wow 100,000 hits and 1000 replys within 3 days of each other :-o

           JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on April 02, 2010, 07:38:46 PM
What is the difference in ring-gap between this motor and the AA motor?  What kind of rings?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 02, 2010, 08:44:18 PM
What is the difference in ring-gap between this motor and the AA motor?  What kind of rings?

  AKERLY & CHILDS  rings with a dykes type moly ring for the top.

  Ring-gap has changed a lot since the AA motor was assembled a lot more gap
 Supercharged fuel / gas
  Top ring .oo8 per inch of bore
  Second ring .0065 per inch of bore
  Oil ring rails  .015  to  .035
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on April 03, 2010, 12:39:22 AM
Thanks, JL . .  .that is exactly what I was interested in.  :-)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 04, 2010, 11:56:14 AM
Yesterday we got the block completely cleaned up, checked clearances on the main bearings and then installed the crank.  We put the cam in(not timed yet), the harmonic balancer, the front plate, and the timing senson on.  We could not find our ring gapper(grinder) so we could not put the pistons in or time the cam.  We need to order a new ring grinder and once we get it then the pistons will be put in.  Anyone know where to buy an electric one?  We also spoke with Scotty Owens who built our trannies and he is looking to see if he has taller gears for our overdrive.  That's it for now, Happy Easter everyone.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Hblock.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on April 04, 2010, 12:02:22 PM
It's just as well that you are two blocked anyhow.

This way you won't be thrashing when you should be doing the Easter Egg hunt.

Happy Easter.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 04, 2010, 12:04:38 PM
   We got the block bb honed and all cleaned up, checked clearance on new main bearings and installed crank -cam- front cover-harmonic balancer with blower drive and magnetic pickup holder. Then turned the shop upside down looking for ring grinder :x Guess I'll have to buy a new one for it to show up.

              JL222

  It said 2 replys had been posted while I was typing, should have checked :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: DSR88 on April 04, 2010, 12:30:52 PM
That's not funny but I can relate,Buy a real nice ring file so when you find the old one you won't feel so bad.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on April 04, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
This ring grinder is no longer made but I can't live without it!

Don't get one that is battery powered!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on April 04, 2010, 05:49:24 PM
That is a nice one. First one I have seen with a mic on it which allows you to cut a known amount. All the others you are "flying blind" when you make a cut. For that reason (and because I only do 1 or 2 engines per year) I just put a file in the vice and draw file them. Takes all day though!  :-(


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 10, 2010, 01:56:37 PM

  Found the ring grinder and we got a couple of pistons in yesterday after getting all set up. More filing this afternoon.


            JL222

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 16, 2010, 10:22:22 AM
All of the slugs will be in today. :-)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 17, 2010, 10:07:38 AM
We did get all of the rest of the pistons put in yesterday, we had to do a little work on some of the pistons but all is good.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/8slugs.jpg)

We also tried to find a convienient spot to put our new water injection unit, well there is no easy spot in this car anymore.  The unit will go behind the driver between the funny car cage and the wheel tub.  Here is a couple pictures of the unit.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/waterinjtank.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/pump.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 19, 2010, 10:38:21 AM
Things are coming along a little slow, but we are getting there. 


A picture of setting the cam timing.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/timing.jpg)

Engine is all timed and cover and fuel pump installed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/shtblk.jpg)

One head is complete, the other will be finished sometime this week.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/1head.jpg)

 The second head will be assembled in the next few days and the engine should be completed this weekend and put in the car.  Lots of things to do, it's crunch time again. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 25, 2010, 09:01:48 PM
Had a bit of a set back on Friday, we were preparing the heads to go on the block and as I set one in place(with silicone and gasket on) I noticed we were missing the studs that go in the head. :evil:  So my dad called down to the head shop to see if they still had them(we didn't take them out, we thought), he said he didn't.  So I went down there to see if maybe he had found them and no luck.  He did have some short chevy studs that were the same length so I took them(only 4 and I need 8 )  So I had to search for more, I found some that were slightly shorter so we used them. :?  

So after torqueing these suckers down I was sweatin.


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/torq.jpg)

We got the manifold all cleaned up and installed too.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/longblock.jpg)

We found out that we are missing the studs for the valve covers???  We didn't take those out either, hummmm, looks like another phone call to come. :roll:  So hopefully the local hardware store has some that we can get, we only need about 13. :evil:  So as always in a race year we are a little behind for the May meet.  Lots of late night ahead. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on April 25, 2010, 11:30:05 PM
looks like your going to Elmo in May?   :wink:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 26, 2010, 01:33:30 AM
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/1head.jpg)

Now, I'm figurin' you've got those valves so if something goes missing, like those studs, you can stick your whole head in just to check that they ain't in the cylinders.. :-D :-o :-o...they're massive!....everything about that motor is big and brutal.... Buy some more studs, the more you spend on them the quicker the old ones will turn up and of course the better condition they'll be in .......

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/torq.jpg)

white walls, white shirt...you guys know how to keep a clean shop....our's is more like a coal mine than a kitchen..... and I don't , for obvious reasons , wear a hat like that when I'm wrenchin'.......

I hope it all goes smoothly from here for yers, always inspiring to watch. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 26, 2010, 01:39:40 PM
Since my dad had to come into town today he stopped by the head shop and ask our guy if he had seen our studs yet, because we were missing our valve studs also.  Low and behold he found all of our head studs and valve cover studs. :evil: :evil:  I guess that's a relief?  If it rains here tomorrow we will be installing the clutch and bellhousing and maybe even put the engine in the car.  It's crunch time. :roll:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 26, 2010, 08:36:03 PM
 
  Thanks Doc...those white walls behind the table are 4' x 8' pieces of foam insulation on the roll up door. The sun beats right on the door and in the summer it gets unbelievably hot behind the insulation.

                           JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 26, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
looks like your going to Elmo in May?   :wink:

  Yea Mike, should make it just bolting things back in except some fab work on water injection.
  Hate to miss a newly flooded El Mirage.


                      JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on April 26, 2010, 09:30:08 PM
cool cant wait. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on April 26, 2010, 11:10:17 PM
I was in Palm Springs last week. Thursday morning there was fresh snow on the low hills.

In town the low temp was 50F and the high was 61.

Better bring a pair of tire chains with you.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 28, 2010, 09:57:57 AM
Since we had the engine and trans out, we needed to do a lot of cleaning from a couple years of salt on the parts.  Here is a picture of our clutch disassembled.  The clutch was a different color before the wire brush. :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clutch.jpg)

This is a picture of our spring, it show the adjustability of the clutch system.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clutthspring.jpg)

We also had to some minor grinding on the valve covers, had some contact with our rockers. :-o  Anyway hope to have the clutch and bellhousing on today and maybe the engine in the car on Friday. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 29, 2010, 10:28:13 AM
Things are starting to come along.  Just one hicup yesterday with our starter, seems it froze up on us.  Luckily we had a new one in a box almost ready to go.  We just need to drill a roll pin hole in it so it doesn't move.  We did get the clutch and bellhousing on yesterday.

Here is our three disc clutch system.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/disc.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/clutch1.jpg)

Newly cleaned and painted bellhousing.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/can.jpg)

We should have the engine, blower system and maybe the gas tank in on Friday.  Maybe this is a sign of good things to come. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bow.jpg)




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on April 29, 2010, 04:31:45 PM
thanks for the up dates
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 01, 2010, 10:26:59 AM
Yesterday we had some problems with our starter but got it and the engine installled.  Today should be a productive day. :cheers:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/engine1.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 02, 2010, 02:02:57 AM
Yesterday we got a lot accomplished. :cheers:  We got all of the oil lines hooked up, the blower, and gas tank installed, the engine and inter-cooler tanks put in, one header and all of the water lines hooked up.  Here's a picture of our water systems.  The engine tank is under the inter-cooler tank shown.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tanks.jpg)

And a picture of our blower system and gas tank installed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/blower1.jpg)

Today we should finish getting the fuel line hooked up, the air intake, the transmissions and the other header installed.  Things to finish includes the new water injection, fixing the hood from blow off, welding two blower connector braces, and getting it on the dyno.  Things are looking better. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 02, 2010, 07:43:22 PM
We are getting closer, but still have plenty to do.  Today we got all the fuel lines, distributor and wires, air intake, right side header, and 2 of 3 transmissions installed.  Then we tried turning it over and the batteries were dead, we had extras so those were swapped out.  We also had to get our blower tubes ready for welding, so grind away I did.  So now we have to weld up our blower braces, check and tighten our overdrive unit, fix our hood and fabricate and set up our water injection system.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tranny2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/enginecomplete.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 02, 2010, 09:51:49 PM
REMARKABLE.....Thanks for letting us watch.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on May 02, 2010, 10:27:24 PM
 8-) SOME CAR 8-)---every time I study it---I am awe struck!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 03, 2010, 11:53:46 AM
Hey Troy,

Enjoy your thread but your videos could use some help.. Not trying to be a jerk, but this product is cheap and works great.

http://www.goprocamera.com/products

I mentioned this to you, last time we chatted at the pizza joint..

We use it on drag boats.  The wind noise is muted and you still get to enjoy the engine sounds.  The wide angle  view is killer..  We mount one forward and one back ward.. Bad Acura..

Here's a sample from a K boat.. (it's a blown alcohol roundy-round boat).  Takes about a minute to get it warmed up, but it's a real good example of the quality.. You'll see one of the cameras suctioned to the nose of the boat in one of the angles..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb69AWD8geE&feature=player_embedded

Best $300 you'll spend this year IMO...   Mostly because, I'll be able to see your car run a little more clearly.....

Selfish interest!  :-D


Neil

  Ok Niel, just ordered a GoPro video camera, thanks for the info, looks like a great little camera.


                       JL222



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on May 03, 2010, 07:53:16 PM
Great work!!! Can't wait to see/hear it run at Elmo!!   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on May 03, 2010, 08:30:50 PM
Great work!!! Can't wait to see/hear it run at Elmo!!   :cheers:

Yeah, what he said.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 03, 2010, 11:19:37 PM
We hope we can put up a decent number this time around. :-)  I need to try to keep my first run a little tame and ease off the throttle a bit before I shift, hopefully the track will take it this time. :cheers:  If we get a second run I'll be after it for sure. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 04, 2010, 09:38:07 AM
Looks like our new transmission gears are not ready yet, so we will have to wait for Bonneville to run them.  More updates soon. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 04, 2010, 12:13:03 PM
Troy,

What are the gear ratio's in the transmission? What is the ratio in the Gear Vendor? What is the ratio in your rear end? What is your red line for the motor?

Thanks,

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 04, 2010, 01:20:42 PM
Troy,

What are the gear ratio's in the transmission? What is the ratio in the Gear Vendor? What is the ratio in your rear end? What is your red line for the motor?

Thanks,

Tom G.

 Hi Tom

 I'll answer for Troy as he out of town today. We now have an overdrive built by Owens transmissions 26% over and 2.5 rear gears
1.85 overall. I don't like to run over 7250 for very long [but I might for a short while :-D]. We never have said anything about how fast
we might go but I just did in [ballast equations] my Bonneville Pro computer program says 341 mph at 7500 or 329 at 7250
 We want to install a 30% over drive which will give us 1.75 overall and calm the car down in the lower gears.
 This results in 7100 at 341 and 6840 at 329


     JL222

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 04, 2010, 02:13:36 PM
Hi John,

Thanks. What is your gear split in the trans 1.44 and 1.28? What was you max HP and TQ and at what RPM? And was that at sea level or ?

Thanks again,

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 04, 2010, 03:05:59 PM

  Tom...trans split is 45%-35% and 25% torque was 1900 + can't find dyno sheet but hp was 2093 at 5900 when they shut
the engine down because of lean conditions, this was at 28.5 lbs boost on a chassis dyno and a very warm night at least 80 deg, Fresno is about 750 ft elv. We then switched to EFI and got up to 31.5 lbs at 6800 but the engine vibrates the room so much the electric connector came loose and it broke the neon lights. So they estimated 2300 rear wheel, at Bville
we were getting 36lbs boost :-D.
 Sounds like your putting this info into a computer program if so 29 in tires.
 Now I've got to fix a flat on my lawn tractor and go mow the winter weeds [3 hrs late] :roll:

                      JL222

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 06, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
Yesterday we took apart the overdrive unit to inspect and tighten the shaft housing.  We found that there is a needle bearing that needs to be replaced and a hardened shim.  We got the needle bearing from Scott Owens last night (he was in town) and need to pick up the shim today.  I did a lot of maintenence on the drive shaft, and tunnel cover (rust grows fast).  We welded up our tube braces that broke last year,we also got the water injection unit mocked up and close to install.  Friday we should have the car assembled with all of the water injection lines installed.  Ill keep updating when I can. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 09, 2010, 12:07:21 AM
We are getting closer by the day.  Yesterday we got the water injection tank completely mounted, all we have to do it wire it and run water lines to the pipe and blower. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/injection.jpg)

We also go the overdrive unit back together, after a lot of filing where a thrust washer got welded into place because of a little too much heat. :evil:  The trans blankets are on as well.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/blankets.jpg)

I also got everything buttoned up, the fire extinguishers hooked up and the fuel shut off and chute bracket attached.  I used almost a whole tube of silicone in an attempt to seal the dust from getting through the tunnel cover. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cover-1.jpg)

Things we need to do next is drill and tap one blower tube, for water injection.  Wire the water injection, and fix the fiber glass on the front end.  We should be on the dyno Tuesday afternoon. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on May 09, 2010, 08:24:26 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 11, 2010, 08:49:34 AM
We finished up a few things last night, after a late start. :-(  We completed all of the water lines going into the blower pipe.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a1.jpg)

Here is a picture of our blower pipe installed with the feed line coming up from the bottom.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a2.jpg)

The engine compartment is now complete.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a3.jpg)

Today we need to pack the chute, fill all water tanks, load the car into the trailer and take it down to Precision Auto and dyno tuning.  At the shop we will wire all of the water injection, phase in our fast unit, secure the car on the dyno and if everything goes perfect maybe even start it.   :cheers:  We are still behind where we want to be, but hopefully we will be done on the dyno early on Wednesday to get loaded completely by early Thursday.  We need a little luck so we don't have to thrash so hard. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 12, 2010, 10:08:48 PM
Water injection wiring is complete getting ready to fire soon. :lol:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 12, 2010, 11:03:42 PM
Having problems with our fuel primer.  Looks like our primer pump went out and we can't spin the motor fast enough to prime with our fuel pump, but were still tryin. :roll:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 13, 2010, 12:56:30 AM
It lives, were still doing some pre tuning.  Tomorrow or friday will be a dyno day.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on May 13, 2010, 09:32:42 AM
friday dyno, tech starts on Fri  you guys are  killing me :|


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 13, 2010, 12:13:20 PM
Mike that was a hint:

In the last few months a family member has become ill with an intense and undiagnosed pain. It comes and goes every other week, so some weeks are great and some are not so great.  We could have the car ready tonight but we can't leave this person alone in the current health condition.  So unfortunately we will not be making this may meet. :evil:  so instead we are looking at the June meet, it's been a long time since we have been to a one day meet, I hope the track is good this weekend for all and for us in June.  I will still keep updating as we progress.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on May 13, 2010, 01:11:00 PM
Our thoughts and prayers are with your family.

I really appreciate the updates and the application of engineering on your car!  Thanks for taking the time to keep us posted.

Geo


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 13, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
Geo thanks, we go some good news today.  It's not cancer, but it could be Rhumatoid arthritis which can be very painful and cause swelling.

On a lighter note we have the car on the dyno and are going to tune it later tonight. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 13, 2010, 09:22:36 PM
Troy and John,

Glad to hear it was not the big "C". If it is RA get the best doctor you can find to try and get it under control. My heart goes out to your family member, and I will keep them in my prayers.

When you get the dyno results if you don't want to post them, send me a PM and I will see what I can come up with speed wise. I need the whole sheet both torque and HP.

Tom G.

PS. You both will be missed at El Mirage this weekend.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on May 13, 2010, 09:55:53 PM
Troy and John:

If it's RA get a good rheumatoid specialist. It can be beaten.

In 2002 / 2003 I had RA badly enough that I walked with 2 canes, I couldn't step the length of my foot and I couldn't lift my arms to the side more than about 6 or 8 inches. With good drugs and physiotherapy, both of which I got off about 4 years ago, I now lead a pretty normal life with little pain and unless you knew about my past you wouldn't know I've been through it.

Every time I start to feel a little limited or a little sore I think back to those times. I smile to myself and think how great it is to be alive and able to really enjoy life again.

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 13, 2010, 11:14:47 PM
Troy and John:

Rheumatoid arthritis is a bad animal. My son-in-law is a big strappin' fellow that can work bent over all day and keep on peckin'.

He went thru the same problem. It took several doctors before he found a specialist that gave him any relief.

He is back to supporting his family but it has been a struggle and w/o the insurance that he had, he wouldn't have

made it. Medication at the rate of $3000 per month.

Keep looking and you will find someone that can give the needed care.

Love Ya,

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 14, 2010, 02:41:22 PM
  Thanks everybody :-) The family member is my wife Linda, she has been through a lot this past year with a lung lobe removal due to cancer, which so far test show she has beaten. This latest problem was first diagnosed as shingles but now its not acting like shingles. so more testing is being done. Linda amazes me with her non complaining with all the pain and problems she has and I'm blessed to be married to her.

                         JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: gearheadeh on May 14, 2010, 03:17:48 PM
 Thanks everybody :-) The family member is my wife Linda, she has been through a lot this past year with a lung lobe removal due to cancer, which so far test show she has beaten. This latest problem was first diagnosed as shingles but now its not acting like shingles. so more testing is being done. Linda amazes me with her non complaining with all the pain and problems she has and I'm blessed to be married to her.

                         JL222

Hope this works out well, Best wishes.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 14, 2010, 07:41:41 PM
On a lighter note, the refreshed engine sounds great.  More dyno time on Monday, no numbers yet.  Still getting a base map set. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 15, 2010, 01:58:52 PM

  Ordered 2 EFI pumps [ 1 spare one] from Summit thrusday and they arrived fri at 5 pm. Low buck ones because we just use it to prime system. Dyno testing put off to monday as there is no El Mirage rush now.

                     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on May 15, 2010, 08:00:51 PM
That is to be one of my projects this year.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on May 16, 2010, 08:49:12 AM
John, I hope your wife gets better, those Harts are a tough breed....


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 16, 2010, 01:01:33 PM
John, I hope your wife gets better, those Harts are a tough breed....

  You got that right Gary :cheers:

             JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2010, 09:50:55 AM
You learn a lot with a dyno.... :-o  Yesterday we were warming up the car on the dyno and discovered that there may be a possible vacuum leak somewhere, so we shut it down and looked.  We tightened the manifold and restarted the engine and proceeded the dyno work.  The throttle would go up to a certain RPM and not back down until you physically shut the butterfly, so we shut her down again to take a look.  As it turns out we had a loose butterfly screw, so we thought.  As we took apart the butterfly we discover the butterfly shaft was broken.  So we would not have made the May meet anyway. :evil:  Today we will contact Wilson and try to get a free bee shaft from them.


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/butterfly.jpg)

One of our tuners Justin Coffman messing around with our Wilson elbow.  Yeah it's big. :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/elbow.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on May 18, 2010, 11:29:21 AM
SH*T happends, doesn't it Troy? There are so many little things that can go wrong.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on May 18, 2010, 11:57:32 AM
Troy,

With the boost and velocity you are putting through that butterfly, I would ask them if they make an oversized shaft, or if they could make one for you. I would hate to see the same thing happen at Bonneville on a return run.

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 18, 2010, 01:54:48 PM
Wilsons is currently trying to redesign a bigger shaft, but are having some binding issues.  They said anytime the boost gets over 35lbs the shaft can become weak.  They are sending us two. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: joea on May 19, 2010, 08:57:27 AM
different material..?..

maybe an application to try some different heat
treating and or cryo..?..

did you find the screw..?



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 19, 2010, 10:02:09 AM
Joe, we were lucky enough to catch the break in time while on the dyno.  We didn't get far on the dyno before we new something was wrong.  The screw was still attached to the shaft when we took the throttle body apart. :cheers:

Yesterday was mostly cosmetic.  We took the car off the dyno so other vehicles could be tuned.  I changed out both window seals at the bottom, they truely needed it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/window.jpg)

Having the car down at the shop gets some needed attention from many who frequent Precision Auto.  Here is Jay who does polishing for a living, working on our car.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/polish.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 19, 2010, 01:53:58 PM

  Wilson Manifolds use red locktite and peen the screw to make sure it never comes out. The shaft broke right at the middle of one screw and that was the only one that was reusable,one pulled the shaft material with it the other we had to grind out.

                    JL222
                           


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 20, 2010, 05:30:54 PM
Just when we were getting on a roll we come to a complete stop.  Waiting on parts sucks, but if we get them tomorrow we will be working on the car tomorrow. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 21, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
 received out parts late this afternoon, no chance to work on the car.  We will get at it on Monday. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 26, 2010, 10:51:13 AM
     We got the intake put back together yesterday, a little door panel riveting left to do and maybe some dyno work tonight.  We will have the dyno work completed by friday for sure. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 27, 2010, 10:58:15 AM
    Did I say for sure?????....

Well my dad sprung a surprise on us, he decided to purchase an EGT system.  I'll let him explain what the package is....  Looks like we may be pushing our time line again to be ready for the June meet. :-o  So since we have the car down at Precision Auto and Dyno Tuning ( a little plug for them ), we put it on the rack to check out the bottom of the car and see if we could find any leaky holes that might let some El Mirage dust into the car.  We found some areas of consern and will fix those while we wait for the EGT system to arrive.  Once we get the system installed we will have a much better tune than prior. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/lift.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on May 27, 2010, 12:57:56 PM
WAY to go guys!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 27, 2010, 02:05:56 PM
EGT........a marvelous Insurance Policy.

Good Job, DAD.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 27, 2010, 02:48:53 PM
 Just ordered system from MotorSports Innovations .com  :cheers:

  Innovate DL-32 [ data logger unit]

  G-kit

Map sensor
2 axis g meter
engine rpm
4 pressure sensors
8 EGT's
1 wheel speed sensor kit
3 liquid/air temperature sensors

various connector boxes and extension cables $1842

  This will enable us to record a lot of STUFF like air temp and pressure before and after intercooler and temp of water before and after intercooler,and the main thing 8 EGT temps.
 Now all we have to do is hook it all up :-P
 We better put the car on dyno now as it will be to close to EL Mirage by the time the unit gets delivered and installed.


                      JL222

  


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on May 27, 2010, 02:59:06 PM
Absolutely Magnificent.

Go for it..........

Just make certain that there is a fool proof method when you download. Have a power supply that no one

can interupt and u lose your data. That happened to Marlo on a run that was a disaster and the download was killed when

a guest decided to charge his electric wheel chair. He pulled the plug on the data.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 27, 2010, 03:35:37 PM
A small UPS (uninterruptible power supply) is cheap insurance.  Plug the UPS into the AC source -- and the computer or whatever else needs the 110 VAC into the UPS -- and then you're safe from the wheelchair-bound electricity thieves.  We use UPS's most everyplace -- much less drama that way.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on May 27, 2010, 04:00:52 PM
If you need any help/tech support, or problems the Innovate tech support is great, I have always talked to Felipe.

  Fred


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 27, 2010, 10:14:08 PM
Our tuners are pretty excited about the new system as well.  In the next few days we will continue to do needed cosmetic fixes until the new unit gets here.  After El Mirage we will be making new zoomies for Bonneville.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 30, 2010, 06:55:31 PM
Hopefully we have a productive week ahead of us, but for now I want to wish my friends and family those in and out of the military a happy Memorial day. :cheers: 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 31, 2010, 10:29:21 PM
I was so focused on working on the car tomorrow that when my wife asked if I could take our daughter to Hula practice I said no I'm working on the car.  Her quick reply was your workng on the car on my birthday!   :|. Uh... No you just caught me off guard with the hula question...  So on Wednesday I will be able to work on the car again. :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on June 01, 2010, 10:50:34 AM
Troy, never never forget your anniversary or your wife's Birthday.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 01, 2010, 08:33:27 PM
I didn't really forget;  I was in car mode, we only have 10 days to get it ready and loaded. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on June 01, 2010, 11:01:45 PM
Now you have 9 days.........

HBD

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 02, 2010, 08:06:59 PM
This should be my last early evening.  Today I took off both rear tires and both brake calipers.  The calipers have never been cleaned since it's installation, we took them off and half of the calipers were working.  So I was able to get one completed and the other apart.  My dad worked on cutting some rotting tin from the drivers side rear right behind the tire.  We did get our new data logger, and tomorrow we will be working on it and completing what we can before the weekend.  It will be a long day tomorrow. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 03, 2010, 09:34:14 AM
We had a lot of trouble getting one of four of the calipers out.  We tried using a screw driver to rotate the caliper but that only scared the outside surface, so I came up with the idea of tack welding a bolt to the bottom of the caliper and using a 9/16 wrench to turn it out.  Hey, it worked!  Pheeeww, that's where I had to stop yesterday because of my daughters musical performance.  School is over sooooooon!  I'll post pictures later tonight or tomorrow. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 04, 2010, 02:33:34 PM
Here is that picture of how we got the caliper out of its home.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/brake.jpg)

Since the car is up on the hoist, we decided to go through the rear end.  Looks like we need to replace the bearings and replace the fluids. :-D  A before and after shot of the shafts.  Our wire wheel wore out so the dirty shaft will be cleaned today.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/axle.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on June 04, 2010, 08:37:58 PM
What,  :-o you are going to forego the challenge and excitement of 300 mph asymmetrical braking  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 04, 2010, 11:49:43 PM
We are done working on the car until Tuesday, our tuners are heading down south for a biker memorial and the car is in their shop.  We did get a few things completed today.  Here is a photo shot of the under side of our battery box, it contains our ballast.  After years of salt hitting the tubbed section it was time to change it out.  

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/box.jpg)

We got a new piece cut and fitted.  We painted the underside of the panel, siliconed the edges and seams so we won't get any El Mirage dust in the back(hopefully). :-D


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/box1.jpg)


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/box2.jpg)

We will paint the panel to match the rest and then get the brake assembly back on and the tires and then proceed to get the EGT system on the car and then some dyno runs. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 06, 2010, 12:24:45 PM
     We have decided that we don't like to pull all nighters anymore, so we will not be making the June meet.  I can't believe how cool the forcast looks, but we will concentrate on "Getting ready for Bonneville".  We have done a lot of needed maintenence on the car and will start gettting all of the new stuff put together tuesday or wednesday of next week.  Once we get the car tuned then we will pull the headers and make new ones for Bonneville.  I will keep this diary and those interested up to date.  We will try to make the November El Mirage. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 06, 2010, 01:34:09 PM
Troy & John,

Sorry to hear you won't be running this next Sunday. Was looking forward to seeing you. Take your time and get the car together the way you want it. Bonneville is closer than most think. LOL.

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 06, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
Once we get the EGTs installed the car will tuned without the water injection and then retuned with it.  We want to know how the water changes the set up, could take a couple days or a really long night. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Boostedballs on June 07, 2010, 03:59:45 AM
That car is looking amazing! I would only change one thing...move the water nozzles to the compressor DISCHARGE. The compressor housing will sling the water to the walls and condensate. It will also give more mass to excellerate, making the compressor less efficient. You might even see EGTs drop by moving it downstream of the blower.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 07, 2010, 11:20:59 AM
That car is looking amazing! I would only change one thing...move the water nozzles to the compressor DISCHARGE. The compressor housing will sling the water to the walls and condensate. It will also give more mass to excellerate, making the compressor less efficient. You might even see EGTs drop by moving it downstream of the blower.  :cheers:

   Thanks....we have run 36lbs of boost at Bville which is more like 38 lbs because you start out with less atm psi, thats close to 400 deg on a 90 deg day with 75% compressor efficiency. the water will evaporate at 400 deg + cool the blower. Any drop in inlet temp will result in less egts.
    The owner of Alcohol Injection Systems has also seen an increase in boost in his blown mustang drag car of 11/2 lbs [at 15 lbs boost ]from injecting into the intake which he believes might be from making a better seal. All the WW2 aero engines that used water injection injected into the intake.
   We are installing a new data recording system this week that will record blower temp and pressure before and after the intercooler
and after the water injection nozzels on the discharge pipe after the intercooler. Also installing 8 egts.
   Then we tune on the dyno with and without water injection, then we should have a lot more info.


                            JL222

                   


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Boostedballs on June 08, 2010, 06:00:03 AM
Wow, 400F, that's some serious heat! I get scared when I see anything over 200F in my car. Mine would go into meltdown at that temp for sure.
The WWII aircraft did inject upstream of the blower but I think it's because they used boost pressure to move the water; also, less parts (like a pump) to break down over enemy ground.
Hot air means higher velocity through the compressor and less drag. The water injection will alter the flow map, that may be why the owner of AIS sees higher boost with it.

So you are spraying in the compressor and after the intercooler? It might be worthwhile to weld in some more bungs downstream of the intercooler and move the nozzles from the compressor inlet so you can have a good comparison. I really think you will have water condensating into larger droplets inside the intercooler if you don't. I know, 400F is way hot, but 38lbs is working against the ability to evaporate the water. Water boils at 212F at 14.7psi. You are at 50psi actual; which brings the boiling point of water to 350F. I know it's an H2O / methanol mix but the same theory applies. So, even at 400F, you need the smallest water droplets you can get. As the temp comes down, the evaporation rate is further reduced.
For instance, a drawthrough turbo system will use larger carb jetting than a comparable blowthrough system because the compressor de-atomizes the mix.

I can't wait to see the EGT results; I hope they are even across the 8 ports.

Keep it going, I'll be looking forward to seeing it run again soon!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 08, 2010, 01:18:21 PM
  Boostedballs...Don't worry our engine never sees that temp, that's why we have that big intercooler,air comes out at 60----140 deg and water injection after the intercooler is meant to get in on the compression stroke as the air is already cooled.
  I don't how you come up with 50 lbs but 400 deg at 38 lbs boost on a 90 deg day is over 75 % efficient [which is very good].
  The tractor pullers have been blowing your theory of non-evaporation at high boost for years, how about 250 lbs boost water injected at 3 gal min and no intercoolers.
  That's why WW2 aero engines used centrifugal super chargers...intercoolers and water injection.

               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 08, 2010, 02:39:58 PM
    I don't how you come up with 50 lbs but   400 deg at 38 lbs boost on a 90 deg day is over 75 % efficient [which is very good].

14.7 (seal level) plus 38 psi (your boost) = an absolute pressure of aproximately 50+ psi.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 08, 2010, 08:00:20 PM
The engine doesn't see absolute, actual is 38psi. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 08, 2010, 09:57:31 PM

  I guess the [absolute] :-) correct way to talk about boost is pressure ratio, atmosphere psi + boost divided by atmosphere psi

  sea level 14.7 + 36 divided by 14.7=3.45 pr.---  Bville on one of our time slips 25.72 inchs or 12.66 lbs
  
  12.66 +36 divided by 12.66=3.84 pr

  Its easier to just talk boost though :-D

         JL222

            

    


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 08, 2010, 10:43:09 PM
The engine doesn't see absolute, actual is 38psi. :cheers:

Are you sure?

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: willieworld on June 08, 2010, 10:56:34 PM
tom if you will be at el mirage i will bring you some parts                       willie buchta


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 08, 2010, 11:33:56 PM
The engine doesn't see absolute, actual is 38psi. :cheers:

Are you sure?

Tom G.

Well... Yes and no. :-D. All engines see that first atmosphere so yes it does count, but most don't include it when talking about how much pressure they are spinning into the boosted engine.  So I was incorrect in my wording......kinda. :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 09, 2010, 04:13:39 AM
I thought you converted to EFI. Your EFI fuel map includes MAP. (Manifold Absolute   Pressure). :-D  But I like your use of pressure ratio. It provides a quick comparision of how much heat is produced by adiabatic compression which your intercooler is taking care of.  :wink:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on June 09, 2010, 10:18:50 AM
Ya gotta just love tunning to all those kPa's.....   :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 09, 2010, 11:24:32 AM
I thought you converted to EFI. Your EFI fuel map includes MAP. (Manifold Absolute   Pressure). :-D  But I like your use of pressure ratio. It provides a quick comparision of how much heat is produced by adiabatic compression which your intercooler is taking care of.  :wink:

  I have a chart showing boost from 2 ---100 lbs and different compressure efficiencys that i use, a friend of mine and I made up a program for my computer around 1992, I new the formula and she new how to put the formula into the computer, it was pretty cool
because I could change the temps and ambiant pressure and it would bring up the temp, but I lost the program when the new computer
wouldn't take the older style program.
 
  I'll see if Troy can take a foto of the charts and post it here.

                       JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 09, 2010, 01:29:25 PM
I thought you converted to EFI. Your EFI fuel map includes MAP. (Manifold Absolute   Pressure). :-D  But I like your use of pressure ratio. It provides a quick comparision of how much heat is produced by adiabatic compression which your intercooler is taking care of.  :wink:

  I have a chart showing boost from 2 ---100 lbs and different compressure efficiencys that i use, a friend of mine and I made up a program for my computer around 1992, I new the formula and she new how to put the formula into the computer, it was pretty cool
because I could change the temps and ambiant pressure and it would bring up the temp, but I lost the program when the new computer
wouldn't take the older style program.
 
  I'll see if Troy can take a foto of the charts and post it here.

                       JL222


John,

You can just use this site for your calculations. IMO much easier than a chart. Just plug in your numbers and presto.

Tom G.


http://www.stealth316.com/2-turbotemp.htm


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 09, 2010, 02:39:50 PM
  

  That's really great Tom could you post that link under the supercharging post under [technical] I bumped it to the top
from pg 4 so you could find it.
  The best part is the numbers on my chart that I checked [ 14.7 atm.---30 lbs boost ---70 deg day and 75% efficiency
came up exactly :-o  331 deg
  Just put it on my favorites [THANKS]
              JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 09, 2010, 02:56:33 PM
Hi John,

Your welcome. Thought you would like it.  I posted it in the other thread.

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 10, 2010, 01:19:43 PM
We have gotten a few things finished. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a11.jpg)

We have the yoke/wheel sensor installed, just have to finish wiring and other data sensors.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a12.jpg)

We were getting ready to bleed the brakes when on of the bleeders broke while loosening. :evil:  So as I write they should be getting installed.  We will have the rubber put on and the car off the lift today.  We need to remove the header to change a couple bungs for the EGT sensors.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 10, 2010, 03:22:02 PM
Things have changed again, I met the crew for lunch(they are now eating) and got the news that the bleeders won't be in stock till next Friday.  Soooo they took the headers off and will be making new zoomies before we put it on the dyno.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 10, 2010, 08:23:25 PM
We were able to bleed the brake with the bleeders we had, got the rubber on and it's off the lift and put out of they way so we can start putting the data loggers in.  The header flanges and pipes will be ordered soon. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 11, 2010, 09:25:34 PM
We tried to order header flanges today.  JL222 sent in an e-mail with photos of our head bolt pattern and a photo of our headers.  He called back to see if they had any instock and their power was out.  We won't know anything until Monday, but if they don't have them I could take three weeks to get.  We could get them in town and laser cut in a few days, but would probably cost more.  Days seem to fly by so we will keep trucking on getting the new stuff finished. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 14, 2010, 09:53:57 PM
The header shop was closed today so we have to wait until tomorrow to call and see if they have what we need in stock.  In the mean time we got some sensors installed minus the wiring.

We put in an oil pressure sensor, we have a gauge but with this we can check if the oil pressure goes down during the entire run.  It's hard to look at the gauge while at speed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/aa3.jpg)

This is an additional boost pressure sensor on the bottom and a temperature sensor on top.  The temp. sensor will give actual air temp. going into the engine, about three feet past the temp. sensor at the intercooler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/aa2.jpg)

The front temp. sensor measures the intercooler water going in and the back measure the water temp. going out.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/aa1.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 15, 2010, 01:30:03 AM
You are collecting a lot of good data. I forgot . . . what was the name of your data logger?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 15, 2010, 09:26:19 AM
You are collecting a lot of good data. I forgot . . . what was the name of your data logger?

 Innovate DL-32

 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 15, 2010, 12:57:10 PM
Thanks, John. Since the DL-32 has an accelerometer are you using that data for anything? I'm sure you have your chute position optimized over the years but it might be interesting to see chassis action upon deployment, or?    :wink:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 16, 2010, 11:14:56 AM
I don't believe that we will set up the G-sensor, but you never know that could change. :-D  We got a few data loggers in place minus the wiring.

two of three EGT loggers under the dash.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/01.jpg)

The main data logger on the dash for easy access.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/02.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 16, 2010, 01:26:55 PM
I don't believe that we will set up the G-sensor, but you never know that could change. :-D  We got a few data loggers in place minus the wiring.

two of three EGT loggers under the dash.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/01.jpg)

The main data logger on the dash for easy access.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/02.jpg)

  Troy I believe the G sensor is already installed in the main unit.

               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 16, 2010, 01:39:38 PM
Thanks, John. Since the DL-32 has an accelerometer are you using that data for anything? I'm sure you have your chute position optimized over the years but it might be interesting to see chassis action upon deployment, or?    :wink:

  Saltfever.....I hadn't thought about that but it would be interesting + how much G force on opening :-o
  I was thinking about acceleration rates in different gears. I did hit both chutes by accident at 275 mph once and the car reacted great.

                        JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 16, 2010, 02:25:08 PM
You are correct . . . the accelerometer is part of the DL-32 circuit board. It is 2 axis. To get correct information it is best mounted right on the CG of the car. However, that may be difficult to determine or even to mount in the right location.  Usually, x and y are pretty easy to find with jack stands. If you wanted to see Z axis acelerations then it would have to be oriented to get that data. Most use the cam height in the motor as the Z dimension of the CG.

Its nice you are taking advantage of the DL-32's capacity. 8 EGTs and all those thermocouples is a bunch of data. Make sure you have the latest version of Logworks which can be downloaded from the Innovate web site. You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 16, 2010, 05:46:12 PM
You are correct . . . the accelerometer is part of the DL-32 circuit board. It is 2 axis. To get correct information it is best mounted right on the CG of the car. However, that may be difficult to determine or even to mount in the right location.  Usually, x and y are pretty easy to find with jack stands. If you wanted to see Z axis acelerations then it would have to be oriented to get that data. Most use the cam height in the motor as the Z dimension of the CG.

Its nice you are taking advantage of the DL-32's capacity. 8 EGTs and all those thermocouples is a bunch of data. Make sure you have the latest version of Logworks which can be downloaded from the Innovate web site. You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!  :-D
we have got a lot to learn

              JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on June 16, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
WOW.........You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!

Does that mean it also records his tire tracks?

FREUD




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 16, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
WOW.........You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!

Does that mean it also records his tire tracks?

FREUD




 :roll: It could be working overtime especially at El Mirage

    JL222 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 16, 2010, 11:21:54 PM
WOW.........You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!
Does that mean it also records his tire tracks?   FREUD 

Got those on video.  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 17, 2010, 01:39:46 AM
WOW.........You are going to have a ton of wiggly lines to look at after a run!
Does that mean it also records his tire tracks?   FREUD  

Got those on video.  :-D

like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 17, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
Or these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 17, 2010, 04:52:16 PM
I see a rooster-tail but no tire tracks! Thats the problem with loose adobe  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 17, 2010, 09:51:42 PM
I see a rooster-tail but no tire tracks! Thats the problem with loose adobe  :-D

Speaking of loose adobe, here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17HOby9FnC8


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 19, 2010, 02:40:24 PM
We got the flanges and some pipe, not sure if we will use the pipe.  It wasn't what we thought it was going to be. :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 20, 2010, 11:51:49 AM
We got the flanges and some pipe, not sure if we will use the pipe.  It wasn't what we thought it was going to be. :mrgreen:

  I ordered stainless u-bends from summitt racing and when they arrived I checked to see if they were non-magnetic [they wern't]
after checking the companys web site [dynomax] I found out that it was 409 stainless steel but it will rust a bit and is used on auto applications were appearance doesn't matter.
  Oh well live and learn, I thought stainless steel meant no staining :?
 I hope to order 304 stainless from Columbia River Mandrel Bending tomorrow.

            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jdincau on June 20, 2010, 02:14:27 PM
It's only "stainless" to the people selling it. The people manufacturing it call it "corrosion resistant"


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 20, 2010, 06:11:46 PM
Quite a few years ago (canít remember exactly) the EPA upped the mileage requirement on all emissions equipment. A few existing items were upgraded and required to last 70,000 miles instead of the original 50,000 requirement and new items were added to the list. While EGR and the pump were part of the original EPA requirements the actual exhaust pipe system was not, due to the tremendous cost and OEM resistance. I canít remember the steel company but a new formula was created to be low cost (relatively) and malleable. That is when EPA include the exhaust system under the 70,000 requirement. 409 stainless was created solely as a cheap material to meet EPA mandates. It is still more costly than aluminized tubing so you will find 409 used sparingly unless it is an expensive car (i.e., more profit for the OEM). On cheaper cars, 409 is used only where aluminized tube will not survive the 70,000 mile mandate. This is typically, but not always, in the headers, and CAT. I havenít cared to keep up with the EPA so my numbers above are probably wrong or outdated. I agree that 409 is mislabeled. However, even from the beginning 409 was called stainless because of its nickel content which is far less than either 304 or 316. It was marketing swill and it perpetuates to this day. Corrosion resistant steel (CRES) and stainless are words used almost synonymously on most drawings and specifications. Those in the industry who see either word will ask for further specification of either 304 or 316 because of the tremendous cost difference. You can never rely on the word ďstainlessĒ due to the tremendous range of alloys, properties, and cost. Much marketing of 409 in the aftermarket is relying on the consumers lack of knowledge.  YMMV   :wink:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 20, 2010, 07:51:32 PM
If it looks to good to be true it must be something you probably don't want. :roll:  looks like another day gone by, and another rush order to be placed Monday or Tuesday. :cheers:  there's always a learning experience just around the corner. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 20, 2010, 08:14:42 PM

 Saltfever.... corrosion resistant or cres doesn't apear in the add or 304 in the borla tubing that is the good stuff but I did find 304 U bends from Columbia River tube for not much more in price but will ask more questions before buying this time.
 No problem returning to Summit but I have to pay shipping.

                             JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on June 21, 2010, 08:13:49 AM
John and Troy, all my stainless steel is either 304 or 316, but I am lucky to know a couple of people who work at a food processing equiptment plant who use stainless steel. Even got many T-304 180 degree bends in the 3" OD size.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 21, 2010, 10:54:19 AM
John and Troy,
Most "race car" stainless headers are made from 321 stainless as it is stronger and has higher strength at temperature than 304. If you look up the stength properties of 304 you willl find that it has about the same tensil and yeild strenght as mild steel and when use for headers really only provides protection against salt. Don't forget to get the special weld flux for doing stainless or make up some plugs and argon line for purging the ID of the tube while you weld or you will get a really ugly looking weld on the inside of the tube that is both restrictive but provides a great place for the weld to start cracking.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 21, 2010, 03:22:36 PM
Rex, great point about purging the inside!  Good information about 321. Thanx.  :-)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 22, 2010, 01:06:16 PM
Lots of grinding in our future. :evil:  flanges need to be ported. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 23, 2010, 10:13:37 AM
We finished wiring our LED lights for the water injection a couple days ago, and have been working on porting our flanges the last couple of days.  Yesterday I got one flange about 90% finished, I just need to bolt it back on and feel if there needs to be any more grinding on it.  When finished today, we'll start building the headers once we get the rest of the pipe on (hopefully) Thursday.  The second flange is already marked and ready to start.  Stainless is one hard material to grind. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Greg Kelley on June 23, 2010, 03:13:20 PM
John - Give me a call about your DL-32

GK 609-265-2110


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 23, 2010, 04:36:31 PM
John - Give me a call about your DL-32

GK 609-265-2110
 
  Great service!!

  Greg is the owner of Motorsports Innovations .com were we purchased our Dl-32 data recorder from, he noticed we had our speed sensor mounted wrong from viewing this site.

                                    JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 23, 2010, 05:01:24 PM
John I tried www.MotorsportsInnovations.com but it doesn't work. I would like to look at his site.  :cry: help 

Where is the pic of the speed sensor? What is the posting number? Yikes, 75 pages to sift through   :-D



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on June 23, 2010, 05:46:35 PM
Saltfever,

Try again, it works for me.

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 23, 2010, 05:47:01 PM
Saltfever, here you go.  I guess the sensor is where the wiring starts.  We thought the sensor went through the plastic tip. :-P

We have the yoke/wheel sensor installed, just have to finish wiring and other data sensors.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/a12.jpg)
 

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Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 23, 2010, 06:14:46 PM
Thanks guys . . . the URL worked the second time. Nice site and great endorsement of the business from John. Sorry I missed the sensor. I did see the pic but missed the pickup in the darkness.  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 23, 2010, 07:25:39 PM

 Saltfever...Greg says we have the sensor upside down and the wires have to be next to the bolt on part of the yolk.

          JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 23, 2010, 08:03:48 PM
JL. . . thanks for answering before I asked . . . you knew I would.  :-D    :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 25, 2010, 11:44:36 AM
We got our header pipes yesterday, we may get some tack welds done today? :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: blackslax on June 26, 2010, 08:56:17 PM
Just a thought for you on your intercooler.  If you make your ice from salt water and or add salt ton the water(calcium also works), it will lower the temp of the water in the intercooler.  Of course, your components would need to be corrosion proof. 

Ojust a thought.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2010, 09:52:37 AM
We can get the water cool enough with what we are using, no need to add salt to a wound. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 28, 2010, 11:40:43 PM
Just a thought for you on your intercooler.  If you make your ice from salt water and or add salt ton the water(calcium also works), it will lower the temp of the water in the intercooler.  Of course, your components would need to be corrosion proof. 

Ojust a thought.

 Maybe we could make ice cream and Baskin and Robins could sponsor us :-D
 Heh-heh-heh just thought of a name for the new go fast flavor :evil:


            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SlyOneJr on June 29, 2010, 04:50:56 PM
Salt lick ice cream?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: saltfever on June 29, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
Two scoops of Red Hat, please!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on June 29, 2010, 08:10:51 PM
WRONG color---Blue hat special  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 01, 2010, 12:51:26 PM
WRONG color---Blue hat special  :-D

I think I like dble blue hat special better. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on July 01, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
Ohhh I get it!!!!!!! you want a double severing of 3 scoop blue hat  :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2010, 02:27:19 PM
We are currently building our headers, we have the passenger side 3/4 tacked and today we will start on the drivers side.  To finish both sides we need to get the front end on the car.  We will bring it down later next week.  I have to buy a new router to post pictures.  Maybe next week sometime. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 02, 2010, 10:52:03 PM
I'll be happy when these headers are finished. :x


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 03, 2010, 12:38:37 AM
I'll be happy when these headers are finished. :x

 yea those compound cuts with a straight cutter are a bitch :x

                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 03, 2010, 01:30:41 AM
Patience Guys. There's a reason good headers cost as much as they do. How are you planning to back purge them when you weld them up, or maybe what I should ask is what have you got for a back purging set-up?

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 03, 2010, 12:07:28 PM
Patience Guys. There's a reason good headers cost as much as they do. How are you planning to back purge them when you weld them up, or maybe what I should ask is what have you got for a back purging set-up?

Pete

  I haven't seen what Justin has to do the purging with but he's talking about a plug and filling the pipe with i'am not sure what gas, nitrogen I believe. Troy and I are doing the fitting and Justin Coffman the welding. This purging is new to me, I understand it makes a smoother weld inside the pipe. What is a good set-up?

                       JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 03, 2010, 12:41:35 PM
Sounds like he has a handle on the process. Argon is the normal back purging gas because it's what's being used through the tig torch anyway. I use a single regulator with a tee fitting coming out of it and two separate flowmeters. One flowmeter feeds the torch and the other feeds the back purge. If you want to see why the back purge have him weld up a couple of coupons without the purge. You'll know right away why the purge is needed. Good to hear things are progressing well. Don't rush the fit up!

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 03, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
No rush on the headers, just a little frustrated when it doesn't fit correctly after the second cut or grind. :x


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 03, 2010, 11:54:39 PM
 
  Troy is that wood chop saw of yours a compound cutter, if so I have a metal cutting blade for it :-)

          Dad


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 04, 2010, 01:33:38 AM
Just watch it cutting stainless with one of the carbide toothed blades. Stainless can be tough and tricky. Use a cautious approach until you know the blade will handle it.

If you're talking cutting it with an abrasive blade I wouldn't recommend it. The embedded abrasive material can be a cause for cracking. Hacksaws and band saws work really well and don't contaminate the joint. Dodge, extra work again!!! :? :? :?

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 04, 2010, 09:45:35 AM
If you are cutting stainless with a metal variable speed band saw, the best way is to friction cut. Turn the blade speed way up, 3000 fpm and have at it. Don't start with a new blade as this speed will ruin all of the teeth but the speed is so high that the friction of the blade against the stainless will cut the tube. You can actually put the blade in backwards and it will still work. I would think that this type of cutting might work with a steel blade in a high speed cut off saw but have never tried it.

Regarding the purging there is also a special flux that you can use for welding stainless that will give pretty much the same result as purging and of course for the life of me I cannot think of its name!! CRS!!!! I am sure someone on the site will help me out here.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 04, 2010, 10:00:37 AM
It's Solar Flux, but I can't remember the number. I'll post it after I've gone out to the shop.

I've got the same problem Rex. Probably normal because we're pretty close in age too! :-D :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 04, 2010, 10:08:37 AM
Thanks Pete!!!

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on July 04, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
It's "Type B".

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 04, 2010, 12:43:00 PM

  How do you use this flux?

           JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on July 04, 2010, 01:11:11 PM

  How do you use this flux?

           JL222

John,

Here is some information that might come in handy.

Tom G.

http://www.solarflux.com/Pages/Productinfo.html


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 04, 2010, 01:25:24 PM

  How do you use this flux?

           JL222

John,

Here is some information that might come in handy.

Tom G.

http://www.solarflux.com/Pages/Productinfo.html

 Thanks for the replys guys I think I'll pick some of that flux up.

             JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on July 04, 2010, 09:00:16 PM
John, if you have some reading time this weekend go to www.burnsstainless.com. Lots of welding tips.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 06, 2010, 09:58:30 PM
We are getting closer with the headers, tomorrow we will be finnished tacking all the pipes except the tips.  We will be bringing the front end down to the shop so we can get the final fit of the end pieces.  We should be completely done with the headers sometime next week. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 09, 2010, 09:55:53 AM
We put the front end on the car and finished shaping the passenger side header.  The final welding and reassembly to be completed by Monday.....ish. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on July 09, 2010, 10:08:10 AM
Monday? elmo is this sunday. I will have to wait till Bonneville  :|


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 09, 2010, 11:38:08 AM
John, if you have some reading time this weekend go to www.burnsstainless.com. Lots of welding tips.

  Thanks Michael... lots of fabrication tips also which we can use on unfinished left side header.
  Good luck at El Mirage, I'll be thinking of you in foggy Santa Barbara.

         JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 10, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
We picked up some stainless straps for the headers, supplied the shop with a new tank, solar flux and after a little searching found some methanol to mix with the flux.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 14, 2010, 11:55:12 AM
Ok, its been a little while and now that my computer is back online I can update with pictures. :-D  Here are some pictures of the passenger side header that is nearly complete. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header2.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header3.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header4.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header5.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header6.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header7.jpg)

Since the headers have been completely tacked and in position we started to completely weld the pipes.

First a test weld.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header9.jpg)

What it looks like with inert gas charge.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header8.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header9.jpg)

final weld on one of the pipes.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header10.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 16, 2010, 10:48:55 AM
Still lots of welding to do.  We finished the passenger side header yesterday and will start welding the second header today.  Some photos ofcourse. :-D

Welding the tube to the flange.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header15.jpg)

Welding the bungs for the EGT's

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header12.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header13.jpg)

We didn't have much room on top of the pipes for EGT's, so they are underneath. :wink:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header11.jpg)

The top view of the headers.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header14.jpg)

It took us forever to get the bends where we wanted them, but we finally finished one and are done shaping the other.  Final welding in 100+ heat is no fun either.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 16, 2010, 11:02:51 AM
Your build diary is fantastic.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 16, 2010, 01:35:30 PM
Thanks Freud, sometimes I wonder if I'm posting too much info and people will start getting bored with the thread. :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: rockstar on July 16, 2010, 01:53:39 PM
No way guys,keep posting,enquiring minds love your posts :-D

David


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on July 16, 2010, 02:06:14 PM
How can there ever be too much information on a build???   :-o  Seems to me, the more information available, the more questions are answered for new builds and more options for current builds!!!   Besides, I enjoy reading all of the build diaries and I don't even race!!  :roll:

Lynda


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jb2 on July 16, 2010, 02:12:27 PM
I do not post much at all, but I love your updates and look forward to your updates no matter how "small" they may be.  Please keep them coming, it makes me feel vested in your effort!

Jim


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: theazoldcrow on July 16, 2010, 02:36:48 PM
 :cheers:  X2 from me!   Keep up the good work, and We'll see you on the Salt, or dirt, soon!      Crow.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: CTRon on July 17, 2010, 06:38:44 AM
those headers are beautiful!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 17, 2010, 09:24:54 AM
It seems to me, from the number of hits we receive on www.target550.com, the information that is posted is followed

very closely. I try to show as much of what is done as possible. Then when the car runs, if there are problems and a

fix is needed, the readers will have an idea of where the problem started. They can refer to that area of the build in

past postings and feel as if they are part of the ongoing process.

It appears that this post comes in the same area. Both posts also give ideas as to how a certain part is built and the method

may help another builder.

Thanks for such a comprehensive diary.  I'll see you on the Salt.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2010, 11:54:23 AM
We should be completely done with both headers by Tuesday. :-P we will then proceed to placing two more data loggers and start the wiring.  Dyno pulls are right around the corner. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 18, 2010, 12:02:52 PM
Thanks Freud, sometimes I wonder if I'm posting too much info and people will start getting bored with the thread. :mrgreen:

I think you have more fans than you realize - we appreciate your dedication to the car and the build diary.

Chris


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 18, 2010, 12:13:40 PM
Cpt. Chrispy is right -- you haven't heard me asking you to step ack and cut down on the posts to the diary, have you?  Nope -- nor will you.  Thanks very much for your posts.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 18, 2010, 02:14:41 PM
Right on!   :cheers:

You wouldn't have 116947 hits on this thread if people weren't interested in reading all of it.

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 21, 2010, 09:54:24 AM
We didn't work on the car on Monday so we are a day behind.  Tuesday we worked on the drivers side header and are almost finished welding the braces and pipes.  By the time I get to the shop today most or all the welding will be complete. :-D All thats left to weld is 1 1/4 pipes at the flange, heat up the braces and bend to pipe and weld, the top braces need fiting and welding, and drill and weld all EGT bungs and A/F bung. 

Some pictures

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header03.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header01.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header02.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header05.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header06.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header07.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header04.jpg)




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: theazoldcrow on July 21, 2010, 11:35:42 AM
 :cheers: I'm sure that Keystone lite can is for holding spare rod,,right?   Keep up the good work, and photos!   BCNU on the Salt!     Crow


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 21, 2010, 02:13:17 PM
:cheers: I'm sure that Keystone lite can is for holding spare rod,,right?   Keep up the good work, and photos!   BCNU on the Salt!     Crow

  Also, special lined can to keep from getting oldtimers disease ''if I remember right'' + more cans for the buck :-D

             JL222...see u there


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 21, 2010, 03:41:07 PM
Remember, too much keystone leads to beer pong cattle branding :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 21, 2010, 03:46:36 PM
Remember, too much keystone leads to beer pong cattle branding :-o

  Hey don't talk about our crew member :roll:

          JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on July 21, 2010, 04:13:39 PM
Cool thread! Lot's of pics and info- I love it.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2010, 11:22:30 AM
Yes the Keystone can is essential to our ability to hold welding rods. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BP2.jpg)

I have more pictures but my photobucket page is too slow to do anything more for now.  I'll update later today. :cheers:




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 22, 2010, 03:15:49 PM
Photobucket/my computer seems to be up to speed now.  Brian, since you were asking about Beer Pong and branding here ya go.  One of our crew members last year before Bville got a little intoxicated while playing Beer Pong and descided to get branded.  The brand/burn has faded but the initials BP is there.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BP1.jpg)

In case anyone would like to ask Correy about the incident this is what he looks like. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/correy.jpg)

Justin heating up one of the supports so it can be hammered down by JL222.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/heat.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hammer.jpg)

We added a pressure sensor and a temperature sensor to our blower tube so we can get readings before the inter-cooler.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bung.jpg)

Today we will be wiring all the sensors and EGTs, putting the headers back on and possibly doing some tin work on the front end. 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 23, 2010, 10:14:52 AM
We got the headers back on, the EGTs installed, 90% of the wiring for our data loggers finished.  We just need to run power and get the loggers programed.  We may be able to move the car onto the dyno today, and set up the data loggers on the dyno.  Some pictures of the headers installed.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header001.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/header002.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 23, 2010, 07:44:32 PM
Done a little early tonight. :-D  We got a couple more sensors wired, so now just three wires to the main data logger and were done wiring. :cheers:  On Monday we need to finish up a few things and put it on the dyno, maybe get some pulls in we'll see.  Things left to do before we leave: make a couple cosmetic plates on the side of the car above the new zoomies, fix the dzus fastener that popped out of the hood/front end connection, tint the outside of two side windows and the rear window, get new numbers and letters for the car and relocate them to the spill plates, wash the car and load it.  I think that's it. :cheers:  Here is a picture of a brace we made, it was the only other place on the blower tube that was not braced.  Now we can be sure that there is no weak link in the blower pipes.... :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/blowerbrace.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2010, 01:07:06 AM
 
 And put the new lsr frontrunners on [which didn't show up today] and paint the front frame work and...

            JL222

  Maybe he just dropped them off at the gate, I better go check :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2010, 01:52:42 AM

 And put the new lsr frontrunners on [which didn't show up today] and paint the front frame work and...

            JL222

  Maybe he just dropped them off at the gate, I better go check :-P

   Tires were out there :-o UPS driver usually calls when he's at the gate and I tell him to drop it off and go on. Maybe his phone
was dead, anyhow he walked the tires down about 200 ft around the bend were nobody could see them.

                   JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 24, 2010, 02:03:22 AM
Just curious have you guys checked to see if the tires are perfectly round or do you shave them?  Tony


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: cheeto racer on July 24, 2010, 10:10:16 AM
Photobucket/my computer seems to be up to speed now.  Brian, since you were asking about Beer Pong and branding here ya go.  One of our crew members last year before Bville got a little intoxicated while playing Beer Pong and descided to get branded.  The brand/burn has faded but the initials BP is there




WOW what a difference a year makes that "brand" looks a lot less pain full!!!

Looking forward to see you guys on the salt this year. both in the pits and running down the salt. It is a beautiful car..


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2010, 05:55:44 PM
Just curious have you guys checked to see if the tires are perfectly round or do you shave them?  Tony

  We don't shave them and checking the front tires the other day for header clearance they or the rims were quite a bit out of round and did not have dial indicator with me 3/16'' maybe from low to high.
  Our last pass at speedweek last year was 286 in the 1st measured mile with the blower tube coming off with 2 sec left before end of that mile [video], rpm on Fast EFI recall was 312 mph with 1'' tire growth figured. I felt no tire problem with car.

               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2010, 09:50:11 AM
Cecelia, looking forward to seeing you both as well.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 26, 2010, 11:59:29 PM
Just curious have you guys checked to see if the tires are perfectly round or do you shave them?  Tony

  We don't shave them and checking the front tires the other day for header clearance they or the rims were quite a bit out of round and did not have dial indicator with me 3/16'' maybe from low to high.
  Our last pass at speedweek last year was 286 in the 1st measured mile with the blower tube coming off with 2 sec left before end of that mile [video], rpm on Fast EFI recall was 312 mph with 1'' tire growth figured. I felt no tire problem with car.

               JL222
  The tires are not that bad, when I first checked them by spinning them next to the header the car had been sitting on floor in one spot
for a while, when I checked today, after being jacked up for several days, the most I could measure was .20 thousand.
 I'll check again on the new tires.

                                  JL222

 



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on July 27, 2010, 12:55:39 AM
I was talking to Nate Jones today and he said he has yet to see a perfectly round LSR tire.  Tony


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 27, 2010, 10:21:50 AM
We finished getting our data loggers all hooked up and running.  We tested all of the EGTs and temperature sensors, and need to test the pressure sensons.  We named all of the units on the system to identify on the computer.  A little more tweaking on the system today and we will be ready to put it on the dyno. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DL32.jpg)

Today we should get the car set up on the dyno, warm it up and adjust the valve.  Tomorrow looks like the day we put down some pulls. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 27, 2010, 11:01:30 AM
I like your steering wheel inset. Hume is working on a similar set for Treits streamliner.

That's about as convenient as possible.

Here's to "good pulls."

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 27, 2010, 12:28:33 PM
I like your steering wheel inset. Hume is working on a similar set for Treits streamliner.

That's about as convenient as possible.

Here's to "good pulls."

FREUD

  FREUD...The black button on left is starter, right is electric fuel pump for priming system, toggle switches nearest to grip are
gear shifts ''3''   toggle in middle is air ''on--off''   light is for data recorder and toggle switch to right is for FAST EFI record.
 All Troy and I have to do is remember to turn them on :-)

  See you at speedweek    JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 28, 2010, 11:31:37 PM
No dyno time today. :-P  We have been battling software issues with the innovative data loggers for the last 2 days.  We did start the engine today and lashed the valves, and restarted again a few times to check the data loggers to see what kind of info we were getting.  A little more tweaking tomorrow and on the dyno it goes for some pulls.  Here's a nice photo of our stainless pipes turning color.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/burnin.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 28, 2010, 11:47:22 PM
Enroll in a TEXTING school so you can build strength in your thumbs. The switches are more easily activated if u are

strong in the thumbs.

Have GREAT PULLS.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2010, 09:25:24 AM
Enroll in a TEXTING school so you can build strength in your thumbs. The switches are more easily activated if u are

strong in the thumbs.

Have GREAT PULLS.

FREUD

just need to ask my wife for lessons.  Glad she has unlimited texting, my thumbs do get a workout from her. :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: JoshH on July 29, 2010, 10:58:52 AM
What kind of issues with the Innovate? Just so you know your O2 sensor may not work very well at idle/low RPM due to reversion - don't confuse this with an issue with the Innovate. I struggled with this very same thing for a few days. Everything was working properly but the O2 sensor was not saturated enough to give proper readings.

Good luck on your pulls.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2010, 01:28:44 PM
It's not an AFR problem, it's more of a calibration problem.  Either way it will be on the dyno this afternoon. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 29, 2010, 11:10:38 PM
We had an interesting dyno session today.  We had to calibrate the dyno rpm to our FAST rpm which took a little time to do.  Once that was done we were able to do some tuning.  We got the engine running smooth with a couple mini pulls to check the AFR and then we were ready for a mild 6000 rpm pull.  Well we got up to 5150 and the car almost came off the rollers.  I was working the dyno loading switches behind a semi closed door and didn't see it.  Our tuner and JL222 said it was a little scary.  The way the power curve was jumping looked like it would have been a very impressive number.  Our torque at 5150 was 1400ft lbs.  We will be back at it tomorrow and will have a few video pulls in the next few days. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 29, 2010, 11:24:35 PM
Troy and John,
That thing is a BEAST!!! I can't wait to see you a B'ville. Your mods for 2010 should really help you make the 300 club.


See you at the salt!!!

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 29, 2010, 11:56:12 PM

 Four straps in back and it streched the hell out of them, forgot my comealong today, bringing it and a chain tomorrow.
 Ice water and water injection to come.

               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2010, 06:21:37 PM
Man, this car hurts my ears when it's on the dyno. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on July 30, 2010, 08:38:55 PM
Pushing the " Like" button. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 30, 2010, 08:42:04 PM
Good on both of Ya.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 30, 2010, 08:43:58 PM
Who drives first this year?

Is it Troy?

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2010, 10:10:08 PM
Who drives first this year?

Is it Troy?

FREUD

it's my record, I think not. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 30, 2010, 11:29:24 PM
We need to do a couple more passes to tune with the water injection.  Our last good pull was @6200 RPMs 2000+ torque and 2300+ hp at the wheel.  The engine knocked out the dyno so we need to take the car off   the dyno to get to the computer inside the dyno.  All in all we are very pleased. :cheers:  I should have a couple videos soon. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on July 31, 2010, 09:02:04 AM
That's significantly more than last year isn't it? Congrats, a job well done. :cheers: I love your build diary.

  Fred


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 31, 2010, 10:56:07 AM
John and Troy,
You blew up the dyno?!!!!! Put it in the trailor and point it east around Aug 13! I sure hope some one is checking the supply of Blue hats.

Rex



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 31, 2010, 11:39:13 AM
2000 torque and 2300 hp?  Dang -- that's darn near unbelievable.  How big is the motor?  You're making numbers pretty close to what the Kenny Duttweiler motor for the Speed Demon engine is making -- and that's a top-bucks build.  Many congratulations for being able to build so well that you hurt the dyno.  That in itself is quite an accomplishment.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 31, 2010, 11:59:44 AM
 
  Thanks guys...we hope its just a power cord but it could be a computer board problem,we'll find out Monday.
  This thing is scarry!! one time I was on the right side taking temp readings and when it got up in rpm I thought to hell with this I'm out of here. The whole room was vibrating and all the dust and cobwebs were coming out of the rafters and floating around and the sound was so awesome it was hurting my one good ear through the ear muffs.
 Just talked to Bvillercr and he should be posting some videos soon.

                JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on July 31, 2010, 12:06:21 PM
 :cheers:    :cheers:       :cheers:       :cheers:      :cheers:

That is so cool!!!

Lynda


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 31, 2010, 12:13:20 PM
2000 torque and 2300 hp?  Dang -- that's darn near unbelievable.  How big is the motor?  You're making numbers pretty close to what the Kenny Duttweiler motor for the Speed Demon engine is making -- and that's a top-bucks build.  Many congratulations for being able to build so well that you hurt the dyno.  That in itself is quite an accomplishment.

  Yea Slim but thats a smaller motor,I forget what motor class they run, were at 496 cu. in. and 2300 is rear wheel hp.
  Precision Auto tunes a lot of cars and diesel trucks and know how to get the power out.

                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: coloradodave on July 31, 2010, 12:29:31 PM
I can't wait to hear it in person. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on July 31, 2010, 12:39:30 PM
John & Troy,

After all this hard work and money, please tell me you will detune the motor about 10% from the dyno. I want to see you get those Blue hats without any engine problems. Then once you are both in the club go for the gusto.  :cheers:

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2010, 01:13:55 PM
John & Troy,

After all this hard work and money, please tell me you will detune the motor about 10% from the dyno. I want to see you get those Blue hats without any engine problems. Then once you are both in the club go for the gusto.  :cheers:

Tom G.

Tom, the RPM was only at 6200 we intend to take it over 7k.  Videos being uploaded now.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2010, 01:23:05 PM
Video 1, just a short pull.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2010, 01:28:34 PM
Here is another video that is a little longer.  You can see the car bounce a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcx2F6v4jog


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2010, 01:40:30 PM
The last two videos are the last until Monday where we will take some more. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcx2F6v4jog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcpyvs5na4


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2010, 11:01:08 AM
John and Troy,
You blew up the dyno?!!!!! Put it in the trailor and point it east around Aug 13! I sure hope some one is checking the supply of Blue hats.

Rex



No, the dyno is fine as far as breakage.  The dyno can handle 3000hp/tq, the problem we believe is that the harmonics of the engine creates so much vibration that it may have disconnected a wire and hopefully didn't hurt the motherboard. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2010, 12:46:52 AM
We didn't get a chance to do anything today.  The shop was closed because one of our tuners had to move out of an apartment and into a house.  Tomorrow we will get some work in. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 03, 2010, 12:08:03 PM
We didn't get a chance to do anything today.  The shop was closed because one of our tuners had to move out of an apartment and into a house.  Tomorrow we will get some work in. :cheers:

  But we did learn how to use the go-pro video, and the grandaughters got a tractor ride :-D

           JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2010, 07:30:48 PM
We changed 2 of 4 water injection nozzles from the cold air side to the hot side just after the blower.  This will cool the air even more before the inter cooler.  We were getting a little too much water into the manifold, so we changed it around a bit.  We also took the car off of the dyno to inspect the electronic on the dyno.  We lucked out and found that the power cord from the mother board vibrated off.  So we used some silicone around the rubber boot of the cord to help hold it on.  The car is back on the dyno and ready for it's final tune early tomorrow then in the trailer it goes and back to our shop for some little detailing and final load. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: landsendlynda on August 04, 2010, 08:56:12 AM
Hurray!!!  It's all coming together nicely!!   :cheers:   See you on the salt!!!

Lynda


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2010, 11:32:10 PM
We got the car back to it's home today.  We unloaded it, took the dyno tires off and replaced them with our race tires.  We also took off the front wheels so we could mount our new tires on them.  We did get a few pulls today and sorted out the water injection.  The torque numbers were 2139 and 2192 for hp.  This was less than before but this was only at 5400 rpms.  These numbers are good enough for now, the real test while be on the great white dyno on the 14th.  I'll try to post one or two videos later tonight. :cheers: 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 04, 2010, 11:34:32 PM
  
 We made more dyno runs today and made some impresive hp using the water injection, but the sound vibration is causing the dyno to shut off early, it was so bad that it was vibrating the plugs out of the plywood up in the cieling.
  The power with the water injection came in sooner and cooled the exhaust temp down 100-150 deg.
   We now have the car back in the barn and put the 2222 goodyears on and will be installing the new frontrunners tomorrow.

                                 JL222

  More videos to come

  Bvillercr beat me to it :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 06, 2010, 07:50:47 PM
We are a little behind schedual.  I noticed that the header on the driver side had some cracked welds at a couple braces.  We took them off had a thicker weld put back on and added another brace closer to the end of the pipes.  The headers are now back on, with a few more things to do and then we can load the truck and the car. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2010, 03:07:27 AM
Fixed the dzus fasteners on the front end and the hood today.  Made side skirts for the space above the headers.  More cosmetics to do. :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 09, 2010, 12:52:42 PM
That thing sure is violent!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2010, 03:03:56 AM
Still not ready!  Tinting windows is no fun, but for our first try we did pretty good.  I'm just glad we weren't doing the inside.  Tomorrow we get to put the numbers and class lettering on, and then start packing.   :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2010, 10:38:59 PM
We got the truck all loaded up, still need to do a little touch up stuff on the head light, then wash and load the car and trailer. We will be ready to roll early Thursday morning. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on August 11, 2010, 12:07:31 AM
Still not ready!  Tinting windows is no fun, but for our first try we did pretty good.  I'm just glad we weren't doing the inside.   Tomorrow we get to put the numbers and class lettering on, and then start packing.   :mrgreen:

Troy, you might want to reread rule 3.U pg. 37 of the 2010 rule book, sorry......  :oops:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2010, 12:32:24 AM
Mike, I don't have the rule book with me.  If your refering to tint on the inside, we already have it there.  If not tell me what you are hinting at, quickly we leave soon. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on August 11, 2010, 12:38:54 AM
Troy, I think that's what he was hinting at. I checked the rule book for you, and it says that tinting is required on BOTH sides of the glass.

See you guys up there!!! Have a safe trip!!! I'll be watching for you and listening for a 300 #       :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2010, 07:51:36 AM
Troy, I think that's what he was hinting at. I checked the rule book for you, and it says that tinting is required on BOTH sides of the glass.

See you guys up there!!! Have a safe trip!!! I'll be watching for you and listening for a 300 #       :cheers:


thanks for the response Ryan.  I was just glad the inside was already done.  The rear window would have been a big pain in the butt. :-D. Mike thanks for looking out for us. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2010, 06:30:36 PM
We are all loaded up and ready to go.   :-D. Now I just have to do laundry and make sure I don't forget the  tighty whities. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on August 11, 2010, 06:49:49 PM
Best of luck fellas, I wish I could be there to see and hear that beast make a run down the salt.
                              mIke Reichen


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 11, 2010, 08:42:21 PM
Good luck.
terry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 11, 2010, 10:12:37 PM
Terry thanks, Evo we will have an in car camera and hopefully one of our crew members can video us making a pass.  And if we are real lucky maybe some real video person can get a shot or two of it running down the salt. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 11, 2010, 10:59:18 PM
im thinking 300mph+ :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2010, 08:36:35 AM
We just left and are on our way to the salt.  We will pull in tonight around 10-12. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 12, 2010, 01:33:39 PM
Last year we pulled into Winnemucka and came across Rex at the gas station.  He had been hailed and rained on and was stopped trying to get dried out while fueling.  Well we just ran into him again at a rest stop an hour west of Reno.  We chatted for a while and now we are all back on the road. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2010, 12:19:56 AM
Well no Wendover tonight.  We got a flat just outside battle mountain beforeyou get to Carlin.  We put the spare on and slowed down to make sure we would make it to Wendover.  Then bamm the second one blew!  Now we're limping back to Elko to spend the night and get all new tire tomorrow. :evil:  Hope to get tires early and get into Wendover asap.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 13, 2010, 04:58:29 AM
Hope your getting rid of all the bad luck early and the racing goes smooth and fast. Have fun, go fast and be safe. We're looking for records gentlemen! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 13, 2010, 08:33:09 AM
Nothing good ever comes without a fight.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 13, 2010, 10:55:07 AM
We just got 5 new tires and checked out of the hotel in Elko and are on our way to Wendover. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: nlancaster on August 13, 2010, 04:54:13 PM
Good luck, on the salt.

2300+ HP is insane in a "stock" car.

I have not read the whole thread, how much work has been done to the chassis over the years?  Is there like one piece of metal someone inside that used to be GM and everything else has been replaced over the years?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 13, 2010, 06:09:20 PM
Go back and read the whole story, it is all in here. No it is not a stock frame.

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2010, 08:14:25 AM
It's a full Alston chasis.  We were in line yesterday for tech inspection but didn't get inspected because they shut down at 5.  We were about an hour late.  We had some issues with our right rear rim rubbing on the brake caliper. :evil:  we will get back in line after the drivers meeting, and run tomorrow. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2010, 07:59:57 PM
Went thru tech with ease, except the inspectors could see the dates on our fire bottles.  We got it straightened out.  Today we adjusted the tune, watched some racing, and put a few back.  We will be in line fairly early tomorrow for a test run, and will shut it down at the 2.  We will have a good idea of our tune after that and then put one down on the salt. :cheers:   


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on August 14, 2010, 08:38:07 PM
Good luck!   :cheers:

Thanks for keeping us updated.

Waiting    Waiting   Waiting    by the computer for results.

Geo


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: nlancaster on August 15, 2010, 12:31:35 PM
It's a full Alston chasis.  We were in line yesterday for tech inspection but didn't get inspected because they shut down at 5.  We were about an hour late.  We had some issues with our right rear rim rubbing on the brake caliper. :evil:  we will get back in line after the drivers meeting, and run tomorrow. :cheers:

Thanks for the constructive answer.

Good luck, keep us updated!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on August 15, 2010, 12:34:01 PM
Troy maybe you can tell us whats going on out there.  not too many updates this year.  good luck


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2010, 01:12:05 PM
A lot of running passes going on including us.  We just ran and JL222 shut down at the 2 and got a 2 1/4 speed of 271. :-D. We are lashing valves now and will run a little later. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on August 15, 2010, 01:15:00 PM
271 thats a good checkout pass. cool


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 15, 2010, 01:50:41 PM
GO!  GO!  GO!  :cheers:

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2010, 06:08:32 PM
In line and should run within the hour. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on August 15, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
hammer down, good luck :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: mkilger on August 15, 2010, 06:17:51 PM
what is the  record?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 15, 2010, 09:50:39 PM
Dodge that sucker sounds good coming down the course. Ran over 290mph this evening, but sounded like you guys clicked it off early? Flirting with 300mph big time and sounds like lots left too! Good luck the rest of the week :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 15, 2010, 10:42:46 PM
Slick, glad you could here it.  We got a nice visit from Freud and Brett in impound.  The good news is we went 280 in the 2 1/4 and :cheers: 294 in the first mile. :-D. The bad news is that we won't be able to back it up. :-(. We hurt piston 1 and 6, and we don't have spare parts to replace it.  Like slick had said early, there is a lot left in this car/motor.  JL222 said he wasn't into the gas that hard until high gear.  We will wait and see if a door slammer can beat that 1/4 or mile time this year.  We did see a few new contenders and some vets here that could do it.  We will have to wait and see. :mrgreen: We are pretty happy with the speeds but bummed that we couldn't back it up.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 15, 2010, 10:52:06 PM
Slick, glad you could here it.  We got a nice visit from Freud and Brett in impound.  The good news is we went 280 in the 2 1/4 and :cheers: 294 in the first mile. :-D. The bad news is that we won't be able to back it up. :-(. We hurt piston 1 and 6, and we don't have spare parts to replace it.  Like slick had said early, there is a lot left in this car/motor.  JL222 said he wasn't into the gas that hard until high gear.  We will wait and see if a door slammer can beat that 1/4 or mile time this year.  We did see a few new contenders and some vets here that could do it.  We will have to wait and see. :mrgreen: We are pretty happy with the speeds but bummed that we couldn't back it up.

Congrats Troy! It has been awesome following you guys the last couple of years.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 16, 2010, 12:02:42 AM
Slick, glad you could here it.  We got a nice visit from Freud and Brett in impound.  The good news is we went 280 in the 2 1/4 and :cheers: 294 in the first mile. :-D. The bad news is that we won't be able to back it up. :-(. We hurt piston 1 and 6, and we don't have spare parts to replace it.  Like slick had said early, there is a lot left in this car/motor.  JL222 said he wasn't into the gas that hard until high gear.  We will wait and see if a door slammer can beat that 1/4 or mile time this year.  We did see a few new contenders and some vets here that could do it.  We will have to wait and see. :mrgreen: We are pretty happy with the speeds but bummed that we couldn't back it up.

Man o man, 280 in the 1/4 ..... congrats on a big number ,comiserations for the damage. Are you gonna run another meet this year?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 16, 2010, 08:58:52 AM
Dodge!  That's too bad!

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2010, 02:08:26 PM
Looks like we will run next may at Elmo if ready. :cheers:  looks like we will get 8 new sleeves and pistons to be safe and maybe change manifold.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Cajun Kid on August 16, 2010, 07:35:12 PM
Great Run guys,,, sorry you hurt the motor,,, I am sure you will be up and running again soon.

Charles


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on August 17, 2010, 07:41:05 AM
Dodge THAT SUX!!!!
I feel for you guys.
That is one fast car. And there in is the whole problem with this addiction(sorry I meant sport or did I), you make a fast pass while knowing you still have alot left in it, you just need to get a good pass.
I'll ask a bunch of tech questions after you are back and can relaxe a little. Have fun the rest of the week.

                                              Mike Reichen
                               


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: basher13 on August 18, 2010, 04:20:02 AM
That is one baaad car, sittin at the two lookin through my camera I was amazed to see it comin so quick! Heard the 294 over the radio and dam near fell over, by far one of the most exciting cars to watch and listen to on the salt.
Worth a trip to the dust bowl in May just to see it go again.
 :cheers:
Dan

Did you get any video of the runs?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2010, 10:23:15 AM
We talked with George callaway about el mirage, and he said it's not looking very good.  The lake bed still needs to improve before we run there. :evil:  We think we have two incar videos but the GoPro isn't working on our computer, so we will have to wait till we get home to figure it out.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 18, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
Here's a couple of starting line shots prior to your 270 mph shake down pass:



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 19, 2010, 10:26:31 PM
Bret and I were at the long course timing slip pick up position.

We had immediate access to the print out for each run.

Impressed? You d a m n e d well know it. They were tearing down in IMPOUND when we stopped by.

When we left, they did not know what shape they were in.

Early the next morning when we passed the Impound area, the car still had it's blanket around it as

everyone else was huddled to go to the starting line.

It was like your kid came home from school and his report card said....INCOMPLETE.

B U M M E R.

We still Love ya, John and Troy.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2010, 12:06:36 PM
Thanks freud, I think you two were just as excited as we were. :-D. The good news is that we think it will be easy to pick up 20 mph in first and second gear to get that 300mph in the quarter.  After looking at the data logger JL222 was feather footing it in those gears, tps showed less than 40% throttle.  It's all talk now, but just wait till next year!  First run will be a shake down thru the 3, go to impound and back it up with a harder pull to the 3.   :-D  we can only speculate until next year.  I'll try and get some more data to show later. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: joea on August 20, 2010, 09:48:46 PM
F.. next year....how about next month...or two...?...

seriously...double dog dare ya...


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2010, 11:37:09 PM
F.. next year....how about next month...or two...?...

seriously...double dog dare ya...

would love to go back again this year, but the time it would take to get the motor out, put back together, vacation and time spent with the family is too critical to get back this year.   :-P 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 21, 2010, 02:47:09 PM
Dodge that sucker sounds good coming down the course. Ran over 290mph this evening, but sounded like you guys clicked it off early? Flirting with 300mph big time and sounds like lots left too! Good luck the rest of the week :cheers:

  Thanks for the pics, great shots... I didn't click it off, it lost a piston skirt and blew compressed air into pan and blew off oil breather tube. I'm pretty sure it happend before the 3 mile marker but the video camera battery went dead on that run :cry:
  Where were you watching from? And don't forget sound travels at 1100 ft per second, so it sounds as though a car shuts off later than it does. The play back on the F.A.S.T. EFI indicates we were over 300mph for 5 sec. with a top speed of 316 mph
  I hope someone got a video of that run.

             JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2010, 08:53:04 PM
In the first run the data logger didn't get turned on, but we did get our only video.  We may have been going faster in the first run than the second.  In the video(so I've heard not seen yet) it showed that JL222 shut down before the 2 and still got a 1/4 speed of 270.  I need to collect the SD card and post it asap. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 21, 2010, 11:22:16 PM
In the first run the data logger didn't get turned on, but we did get our only video.  We may have been going faster in the first run than the second.  In the video(so I've heard not seen yet) it showed that JL222 shut down before the 2 and still got a 1/4 speed of 270.  I need to collect the SD card and post it asap. :cheers:

   After the 2 but before the 21/4 :-) We did run 5 mph faster on 1st run in the new 2 mile time than on the 280 21/4 and 294 3 mile run.
  It gets a bit confusing with the new 1st mile traveled to 2nd mile time, but I like having that time.

                         JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2010, 11:31:34 PM
One thing we forgot to mention was our lexan front windshield.  We had some vibration in the motor this year and after two runs at good speeds the window had micro stress cracks on the drivers side with only a couple on the passenger side.  Looks like we need a replacement, anyone know of a good cpany who sells lexan?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 21, 2010, 11:49:44 PM
One thing we forgot to mention was our lexan front windshield.  We had some vibration in the motor this year and after two runs at good speeds the window had micro stress cracks on the drivers side with only a couple on the passenger side.  Looks like we need a replacement, anyone know of a good cpany who sells lexan?

You ever watch Street Customs? There is a company in Corona I think that does special project Lexan replacements. They are on the show all the time.

Scott


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 21, 2010, 11:58:31 PM
I was at the 4 1/2 but that last run gave me chicken skin.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 22, 2010, 02:02:11 AM
Troy, when you start looking for Lexan or its generic replacement, look for Marguard or its generic replacement. It has a special scratch resistance which is a real bonus on a windshield which is continually getting cleaned. Using lots of liquid when cleaning also helps.

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on August 22, 2010, 10:17:30 AM
This is were we get all our polycarbonate (lexan) and plexi glass.http://www.tapplastics.com/


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 25, 2010, 08:21:36 PM
  Hopefully Troy can post the video of our 271 MPH 21/4 pass tomorrow [if one counts 1/4 mile markers you can see were I shut off at the start of the 1st timed mile and before the 21/4].
 Thankfully we hit that big rainstorm between Ely and Tonopah on the way home as I can see no salt left on truck or trailer and its been to Dodge hot to unload and clean up, 110 in Fresno today, tying 1931 record.
  Troy is coming out early tomorrow morning when we hope its not to hot and he can post SD card video after cleaning race car.

                    JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 25, 2010, 08:57:31 PM
I've gotta mention something that's not on topic -- but sort of is.

Before we left Upper Michigan for Bville a couple of weeks ago I went so far as to take the pickup to a local shop, raise the truck on the hoist and spray Salt-X over and under and between and through.  For once I was going to have it done right and well.

On the three day drive to Bonnevile we ran in the rain for a few hours each and every day, which I expect rinsed off a good bit of the Salt-X.  Ah, crud.  And when we arrived on the salt on Tuesday before Speedweek it was still kind of damp here and there, so lots of salt built up.

Driving home -- nary a rainstorm.  A few sprinkles now and then, but not so much as to offer up one good puddle, much less a rinse of the hundred or so pounds of salt on the truck.

Why do some people get all the "good" weather?  We got it all backwards.  Now I'm going to have to drag out the sprinkler and the power washer ('cause the rain that we didn't get also didn't wash off all of the bugs on the front of the truck.

I now return you to your regular topic.  Rant has ended.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stan Back on August 25, 2010, 09:14:12 PM
I could be wrong (as usual), but I think the power washer drives it in and activates it.  Okay on exposed, but crevases -- nope.  The good old sprinklers get it where it's at.

Stan


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 26, 2010, 06:36:17 AM
I'm aware of the expressed negative potential of a power washer to "drive the salt into" crooks and nannies -- but I'm also aware that a garden sprinkler has never, ever, done a good job of getting rid of the salt for me.  I've used both -- and the power washer will do more, get rid of more, help dissolve more salt.  The salt is, remember, water-soluble, and water can get further into those little crevasses better when it's driven in by high pressure - better than when pushed at sprinkler speed.  I've not used a sprinkler for more than six or eight hours, but when I've had it going that long (moving it, turning it, etc) -- there're are still very large deposits in far too many places under the truck.

But that part of the discussion aside -- whether I use the power washer to get rid of the salt or not, I still will be using it to get rid of the road grime and bugs (as mentioned) on the surface of the truck.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 26, 2010, 08:04:03 AM
I did have a small piece of good luck this trip, no rain on the way out and ran through the rain when we left Wendover Thursday morning almost all the way to Salt Lake City.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 26, 2010, 09:54:18 AM
Dodge Comcast, my Internet has been down so I can't post pictures or video from my phone. should be up and running tomorrow. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 26, 2010, 09:31:38 PM
In the first run the data logger didn't get turned on, but we did get our only video.  We may have been going faster in the first run than the second.  In the video(so I've heard not seen yet) it showed that JL222 shut down before the 2 and still got a 1/4 speed of 270.  I need to collect the SD card and post it asap. :cheers:

   After the 2 but before the 21/4 :-) We did run 5 mph faster on 1st run in the new 2 mile time than on the 280 21/4 and 294 3 mile run.
  It gets a bit confusing with the new 1st mile traveled to 2nd mile time, but I like having that time.

                         JL222

  Correction on 5 mph faster on first run it was 9 mph :-o Found out today after closer look. We tuned it right down :roll:
 Actually we new it wasn't 100 % as after adjusting the valves [ no stretching this year as lash was bigger not smaller]
we took a compression test and 2 cyl were only at 50 psi but dykes rings must expand and seal up cyl to still run as well as it did.

  These are the times between the 1st mile traveled and 2nd mile traveled     1st run....mile 2     [246.686]  21/4    271.818  shut off right after interring 3rd mile on 1st run.                                                        2nd run    mile2     [237.607]   21/4   280..513
 
 Troy tried posting video from my computer but computer went off line :cry: 

    JL222

               

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 27, 2010, 12:16:02 PM
The new GoPro is much clearer than my old helmet cam that I use for my dirt bike riding.  I'll post it as soon as my cable is repaired. :roll:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 27, 2010, 04:14:07 PM
MAN, I wish I could get my cable repaired.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 27, 2010, 09:51:38 PM
You gotta break  it first  :evil:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 27, 2010, 11:00:27 PM
MAN, I wish I could get my cable repaired.

FREUD

  Just like a government worker never works when supposed to :-)

 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 29, 2010, 01:13:40 PM
I have a few pictures from my phone that I can download to the site.  Seems like every other year we have issues with our trailer tires.  After losing two on the road we replaced all four and a spare, we had no choice but to spend the night in Elko and wait for the tire shop to open at seven. 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tire1.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tire2.jpg)

We only made two passes this year (great ones) and the vibration in the engine/car made our front window get these mini cracks in it.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/windowcracks.jpg)

A few pictures of the car on the salt, we packed up and left the next day.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carpassside.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/carfront.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cardriverside.jpg)

I have some pictures of the storm we went thru, and I'll post them later.  Here is a picture in Tonapah after we went thru the storm.  The picture is out of the hotel window.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tonapah.jpg)

More pictures and video to come. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 29, 2010, 01:44:54 PM
I gotta wonder what we're doing right/wrong.  We've had one tire go bad in the past ten years, and the round-trip tow is about 3,800 miles.  That one that went bad was faulty on the trailer when we bought the rig -- was a tubeless tire that the previous owner had tried to get away with putting a tube in it when it got a hole.  Eventually the tube's valve stem got snapped off and the air escaped.

But not tire trouble otherwise.  Nothing special about the tires we use-- no nitrogen fills, no covering them from the winter sun, no jacking them off the ground for the off-season.  About the only thing not standard is that we use ten ply when eight ply is spec'd -- or eight when six was called for, etc.  But that's it.

Good for us -- and I guess I'm saying that I'm not going to ask anyone for advice -- whatever I'm doing is working.

Back to the car -- great photos.  The car is sharp looking in a garage, but on the salt -- the dark red just flat works.  Congratulations.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 29, 2010, 02:00:22 PM
John,

What kind of lift and duration does you cam have? You can PM me if you want.
Thanks.


SSS,

Food for thought on trailer tires. Some people are starting to think that trailers that have torsion axles are more prone to tire failure than those with standard leaf springs. Reason? Torsion axles don't distribute the load as well to all the tires, therefore sometimes overloading a tire. Example: speed bumps, going in and out of driveways etc.

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 29, 2010, 06:04:31 PM
So you got me to thinking -- that I don't remember how the trailer axles are suspended.  A couple of minutes to walk out to the driveway and stick my head underneath -- and what did I find but torsion bar suspension.  Lots of crud, a few funky-looking electrical connectors, some hanging cables -- and torsion bar axles. 

Okay -- I'll be pretty careful from now on to observe everything that goes on back at the trailer, if for no other reason that I guess my trailer is a problem waiting to happen.  Unh, mmm, I am pretty careful about turning at low speeds and hitting speed bumps and curbs, though -- I wonder if maybe that's helping, if only a little here, a little there.

But -- wasn't this thread about the Langlo car?  If I find it necessary to talk about my trailer I'll go find my own place.  Thanks for the hints, though. . .


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 29, 2010, 07:44:09 PM
weight and speed might have something to do with it


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 29, 2010, 08:01:13 PM
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tonapah.jpg)
Here is a picture in Tonapah after we went thru the storm.
I can't hear that name without thinking of Lowell George and Little Feat...

I've Been From Tuscon to Tucumcari
Tehachapi to Tonapah
Driven Every Kind of Rig That's Ever Been Made
Now I Driven the Back Roads So I Wouldn't Get Weighed
And If You Give Me: Weed, Whites, and Wine
And You Show Me a Sign

I'll Be Willin', to Be Movin'


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 29, 2010, 11:02:24 PM
weight and speed might have something to do with it

  Speed :-o  not us the limit is 70 in Nevada and you have to go a little faster than that to keep from being blown off the road by truckers :-)
  Tires were rated at over 11,000 lbs. car weighs less than 5,000 + trailer and maybe 400 lbs more and 70 lbs psi in tires, 6 PLY though. Now we have 10 ply [rated] actual 7 ply [ beggars can't be choosey in the middle of Nevada] but we think a lot of the problem is coming over Donner Pass on I 80 as the road gets chewed up by snow chains in the winter and beat up by trucks all the time. Going different way next time.


                   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 29, 2010, 11:09:24 PM
John,

What kind of lift and duration does you cam have? You can PM me if you want.
Thanks.


SSS,

Food for thought on trailer tires. Some people are starting to think that trailers that have torsion axles are more prone to tire failure than those with standard leaf springs. Reason? Torsion axles don't distribute the load as well to all the tires, therefore sometimes overloading a tire. Example: speed bumps, going in and out of driveways etc.

Tom G.

   Geeze Tom you gota Know everything :-)  Why you want to know?

            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: isiahstites on August 29, 2010, 11:19:37 PM
weight and speed might have something to do with it

we think a lot of the problem is coming over Donner Pass on I 80 as the road gets chewed up by snow chains in the winter and beat up by trucks all the time. Going different way next time.

                 

I rode my Hayabusa over Donner Pass on the I-80 last month and thought I was going to kill myself. I don't ever recall getting that much feedback through the bars in all my years of riding. Definatley a bad a chewed up piece of road.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 29, 2010, 11:45:34 PM

   Geeze Tom you gota Know everything :-)  Why you want to know?

            JL222

LOL. NO. I was just thinking about what happened at Speedweek a year ago, and started wondering how the cam is affecting you valves. Without going into a long explanation (of lift, duration, valve spring pressure, ramp style, lifter type, etc.) that is it in a nutshell. LOL.

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 30, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
As far as we know the heads worked great, when we lashed the valves they were loose which is a good sign.  We will take the engine apart late September to find out why the piston skirts failed. :?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 30, 2010, 07:37:05 PM
JL222.........Tom knows everything except where any individual part is in his storage area.

If it's in the house he knows where it is because he has stumbled over it.

His inventory software failed him.

CRS program is replacing his failed software. He tried to replace all of it with LOST IN SPACE v34.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 30, 2010, 10:56:08 PM
You talk about CRS, I can't even remember what it is. :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on August 30, 2010, 11:07:24 PM
JL222.........Tom knows everything except where any individual part is in his storage area.

If it's in the house he knows where it is because he has stumbled over it.

His inventory software failed him.

CRS program is replacing his failed software. He tried to replace all of it with LOST IN SPACE v34.

FREUD

FrEuD,

SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH. Don't let the cat out of the bag. Someone might hear you.  :-o :-D

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 31, 2010, 08:55:09 PM
We can watch our only in car video, but I need to learn how to edit it on quick time.  Anyone use this program or any other program for the gopro? :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 03, 2010, 03:22:35 PM
Ok, here it is..... What a pain this video was to find the correct software to edit it, and all along I ended up using my daughters computer which had the software already built in.  Great Christmas gift from her family to her/me. :-D

Anyway, this is our first run and only video :cry: that I have for this year at Bonneville.  We ran to about the 2 and shut down soon there after, we went 270 in the 1/4, but we were going faster on this run than the following run the next day when we went 294 mph at the 3.  You will see water pour out of a water vent tube for the intercooler in which we did move later and need to modify still.  The GoPro takes a much better video than we have been using.  Hope you enjoy. :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on September 03, 2010, 03:52:09 PM
Oh Yea!   :cheers:

That sure starts easily and idles well.  I think I will watch it again full screen with my helmet on!  :-D

Yes, a catch can is needed.

Thanks for sharing.  Glad it is to the point you can make some fast runs.

Geo


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 04, 2010, 11:51:22 AM
 
  Well, everybody heard Bvillrcr remind me to turn on data logger [ didn't] :roll: and other data logger which has a longer recording time didn't work either. Wish they had as this run was 9 mph faster in the new 2 mile traveled time than our time later that day when we had a 280.51 21/4 time.
  
 I really like the 1/4 mile flags as it helps to see were shifting occurs, but different colors than mile markers
would help. I'm sure SCTA will work it out.

  In the video I shut off just at the end of 2 miles traveled and start of 3rd mile and the 21/4 mile marker goes by
a few seconds later.

                 JL222

P.S. driver does't have to worry about turning on data logger anymore, crew moved it to out side :-D



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 04, 2010, 08:39:41 PM
We also learned that 100lbs of ice isn't enough for one run. :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on September 04, 2010, 09:30:08 PM
NICE :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 04, 2010, 11:32:06 PM
How many drinks can you make with 100 # of ice?

Just turn the data recorders on before u start mixing.

That's serious drinkin'.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 05, 2010, 12:31:11 AM
Freud I have a little video that I will try to post tomorrow about our car and drinking. :-D.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 05, 2010, 12:37:09 AM
Freud I have a little video that I will try to post tomorrow about our car and drinking. :-D.

  Did we have a video of drinking keystone from the intercooler?

   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 05, 2010, 11:56:40 AM
Yes, but there were some background talking.  I'll post it later. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 05, 2010, 06:43:58 PM
How many drinks can you make with 100 # of ice?

Just turn the data recorders on before u start mixing.

That's serious drinkin'.

FREUD

We could fit a lot in our cooler if we wanted to, but we only had two left. :? 

We were messing around and were going to put two beers in our intercooler if we switched to a fuel class to say we ran alcohol, we changed our mind and did it while we were running gas.  Maybe we can get a Keystone sponsorship?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHwPXqr0h0


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 05, 2010, 07:07:22 PM
How many drinks can you make with 100 # of ice?

Just turn the data recorders on before u start mixing.

That's serious drinkin'.

FREUD

We could fit a lot in our cooler if we wanted to, but we only had two left. :? 

We were messing around and were going to put two beers in our intercooler if we switched to a fuel class to say we ran alcohol, we changed our mind and did it while we were running gas.  Maybe we can get a Keystone sponsorship?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHwPXqr0h0

  Kennedy...'' last 2 beers i'm outa here''  :-D

               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on September 05, 2010, 08:06:10 PM
OH COME ON GUYS.... you know there's not enough alcohol in Keystone to get you into Fuel Class  :roll:
Couple of great videos,
persistence, persistence, persistence... you guys get it  :wink:
see ya on the salt  8-)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 05, 2010, 09:53:36 PM
Stainless........anything other than a sealed tank is FUEL.

Didn't u see the "curly straw" thru the center of the steering shaft?

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 06, 2010, 01:31:56 AM

  Those two beers might be the [WORLDS FASTEST BEERS] 294 mph average in the 1st timed mile and an indicated
 318 mph as top speed. DANG we should have kept those cans :cry:

                         JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Stainless1 on September 06, 2010, 08:29:27 AM
yep, with the authenication video those were starters for an EBay sponsorship...  :roll:

Ferd... I wondered what that was... it looked like at the end that somebody spilled their drink...

Keep up the great work guys...


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 06, 2010, 12:23:09 PM
One of the reasons I put rebuild in ( ) is because most builds are all about rebuilding something to make it better.  We are still evolving. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: AJR192 on September 06, 2010, 10:56:58 PM
I heard that Fred Larsen used to put a few beers on ice in an unused canister in his 'liner and would gulp em down waiting for the crew to pick him up after a run.... Good traditions should continue. But maybe with better beer?????


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 07, 2010, 11:36:30 AM
I heard that Fred Larsen used to put a few beers on ice in an unused canister in his 'liner and would gulp em down waiting for the crew to pick him up after a run.... Good traditions should continue. But maybe with better beer?????

   Depends on whats ''better'' $15.95 for a 30 pack is pretty good and cheep pay for the crew :-D Good thing we had those two beers in the intercooler tank or I wouldn't have had any. Guess I better double the gussell guts crews pay :-P

                       JL222


   KEYSTONE fastest beer in world and taste good too :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 07, 2010, 01:51:22 PM
You know how the government steps in and crushes the civilians........

By now some fly bouy has probably hauled liquid refreshment in his F-22.

LSR just doesn't stand a chance, especially when the BLM lets the pot a s s  miners shorten our lake bed.

FREUD



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 07, 2010, 03:55:35 PM
You know how the government steps in and crushes the civilians........

By now some fly bouy has probably hauled liquid refreshment in his F-22.

LSR just doesn't stand a chance, especially when the BLM lets the pot a s s  miners shorten our lake bed.

FREUD



   Were talking cars and ground Freud 8-)

              JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on September 07, 2010, 05:18:11 PM
You guys have you priorities set right...............When choosing between expensive beer or a race car part the car always wins out...................KeyStone is just fine as long as your buyn'...........JD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Glen on September 07, 2010, 05:28:13 PM
JD, they can get Polygamy Porter Ale in Utah, The label says when ones not enough and has a bunch of girls on it.
 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 07, 2010, 11:26:34 PM
JD, they can get Polygamy Porter Ale in Utah, The label says when ones not enough and has a bunch of girls on it.
 :cheers:

I'd like to know where to buy one of those.... :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 10, 2010, 10:47:01 AM
Every few pages I like to put up videos of our runs so if people want to find them they can locate them a little easier.  These are some of our better videos.

     These are in 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHUEA-pScY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo7XM472Qk

                 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XA0vrNNj0

                 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkEtJ1b6AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLG0JFzazrs


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 12, 2010, 12:57:57 PM
  In the last video above, the hood rises in the middle because of 4000 cfm air from the supercharger being released by the blowoff valves. Blow off valves release pressurized air when throttles are closed to prevent harm to supercharger impeller. These devices were not invented when we first ran centrifugal blowers [1989].
  Later this week when Bvillercr comes out, we'll attempt to video the FAST. computer data showing the throttle position -shift points-rpm and time during our 280 21/4 and 294 1st timed mile run.

                     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 12, 2010, 02:16:09 PM
I just wish the lake bed could get enough water to make a good surface for November.

Both of you would lose some sleep, but u would be there to run.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 12, 2010, 04:55:28 PM
I just wish the lake bed could get enough water to make a good surface for November.

Both of you would lose some sleep, but u would be there to run.

FREUD

  well.... our AA motor just needs to be taken apart and checked but I believe the short block is ok :-)
  A few years ago 03? it rained like heck in Oct, and trapped some hikers up by Shaver Lake in the Sierra Mts behind me for a week in the snow. Now you got us thinking :-P

                JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 13, 2010, 07:39:34 PM
 :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on September 15, 2010, 07:07:45 AM
Did the motor in the car at speedweek get hurt?
If so I'm quessing it was a smaller motor?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 15, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Did the motor in the car at speedweek get hurt?
If so I'm quessing it was a smaller motor?

  Evo.... on our 294mph pass just before end of ist timed mile a piston skirt broke this is a 496 cu in A motor. Our old
528 cu in motor is one J and S East Valley Garage in  Montecito Ca repaired for us several years ago out of a Fuel Funny Car [ left front corner blown off]

  We will be tearing the engine apart later this month to see exactly what and why.

                   JL222

                                 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 24, 2010, 03:27:09 PM
 Just talked to Bvillercr, we'll be tearing the engine apart to see the damage. :-(

 Troy don't forget your cameras.

                    JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 01:15:20 PM
JL222....your score card is climbing.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 25, 2010, 07:12:23 PM

  The pistons are out 4, good ones 2 middle rings stuck I really bad 1 bad but not as bad as #1.

   Bvillercr will post pics later. Looks like part of problem is piston not thick enough where oil ring was machined.
   Pin was still free in piston that was destroyed and bearings looked good.

                JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 25, 2010, 07:47:46 PM
Power is off at my house, I'm at the inlaws watching my Bulldogs lose.  I'll post later if I can. :cheers:

ps.  The piston is unbelievable.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 25, 2010, 11:11:25 PM
We definately had a few bad pistons.  This first one isn't too bad, but not usable.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston3.jpg)

Same one on the inside.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston4.jpg)

without the rod

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston5.jpg)

This last piston we think is the result of what started to happen to the first piston in the photo.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston1.jpg)

you can see the top starting to split where the intake valve relief is, on the right.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston2.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 1 fast evo 2 on September 26, 2010, 10:08:34 AM
HOLY MOLY !!!!

What type of pistons are those?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on September 26, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
HOLY MOLY !!!!

What type of pistons are those?
Melted


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: joea on September 26, 2010, 10:45:01 AM
...granite topped work bench.....sweet...:)..


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 26, 2010, 11:07:38 AM
...granite topped work bench.....sweet...:)..

  Looks like granite but formica and cabinets from Home Depot all assembled and installed by yours truly :-)
  If it was granite I would have the car up and running at Cooks meet :-)

                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 26, 2010, 11:27:23 AM

  We don't want to put all the blame on the piston as checking this morning the top of piston with the oil ring
pushing through is sunken, showing signs of detonation, also a salty taste and look on residue and oil inside of manifold and gasket between head and manifold. A little salt residue at intake of blower. I don't think the salt
is as big a problem as the oil because I've read were they used salt water in the water injection of WW11 air planes in the South Pacific when fresh water was short.
 

                         JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on September 26, 2010, 11:34:00 AM
We definately had a few bad pistons.  This first one isn't too bad, but not usable.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston3.jpg)

Same one on the inside.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston4.jpg)

without the rod

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston5.jpg)

This last piston we think is the result of what started to happen to the first piston in the photo.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston1.jpg)

you can see the top starting to split where the intake valve relief is, on the right.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/piston2.jpg)

I hate when you cant see pictures of what people are talking about, so here's another shot. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 26, 2010, 06:04:10 PM
John and Troy,
Looking at your second picture, the crack that we see is showing what the true thickness of the piston is at the valve pocket? If so I would certainly agree you need some more thickness in that area. I am sure you are having a "heart to heart" with your piston manufacture. Let us know his thinking as to what changes should be made.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 26, 2010, 11:30:09 PM
  Yea Rex ....I always thought it was a little thin there about .160 thou not much room in these long stroke
engines to fit every thing in. We don't have near the lift that the top alcohol guys use so will have to check that they didn't get carried away on cutting the piston for valve clearance. I know we had plenty but didn't write the number down. I think I'll put a good piston in put a light valve spring in and recheck before we take it apart any further. The valves didn't hit the piston last year and we really stretched them so we might have to much.


                      JL222

  REX...I'm talking about 2ND pic from bottom, 2nd from top is looking at oil ring pushing through inside of piston where skirt tapers to soon.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: pookie on September 28, 2010, 08:45:45 PM
 Hi Jl222, After looking at the damage to those pistons, man that's really bad news!!!!   It has taken me a couple of days of looking at the photos of the damage before I wrote this query too you. May I take the liberty of a couple comments and have you elaborate on them ,if you would be so kind..In the 2&3 pictures of the underside of the pistons I can't see any pin oiling holes in the piston pin boss.. I also can not see oiling holes in the small end of the rod...Am I just missing them or is this something new that the piston mfg is doing to blower pistons. I was also wondering if the crack in the oil ring land, is it running or connected in anyway to the gas port holes usually found drilled in the oil ring land?? What was the firing order of those pistons?? I am trying to remember what make engine you are using...  I am not trying to stick my nose in your business, so I thought I would give it a shot and ask... Thanks for your time.... Mike R.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 29, 2010, 01:52:03 AM
  Pookie... 1st the oil hole in the ring land is over an inch away and there is no conection with break. The piston
company that did machining is not same as manufacture. instead of holes in rod bosses they use the holes in oil
ring land to intersect a hole inside of pin hole one on each side with a relief cut between holes. Rods have oil hole in top and pin still slides freely in rod and piston in top 3 pics. Engine is KB Chrysler Hemi, firing order [ if I remember right]  is 18436572
 Checking things closer today I think part of the problem was trying to get 8.5 compression which resulted in rings being machined  to close to support inside of piston.

 Hard to explain but picture a normal stack of 3 rings with piston top 1/4 in above top ring, to increase compression
they move piston up say 1/4 more inch, now 1/2 from ring,  resulting in less support inside piston were forging goes from thick to thin

                            JL222
 




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 29, 2010, 08:50:10 PM
 
 WOW...the top of the page :-)
 Went to Joe Bogoshian's today and saw some top fuel pistons [much thicker skirts] and he says the even newer models are seperatihg the ring stacks more by putting the oil ring in the middle of the pin button :-o
  Looks like we will be going in that direction and also hard anodizing the piston.
 Also found out KB [our block and sleeve supplier is still in business [ closed for a while but reopened] good news, but our rod supplier ''Brooks is out :x
  Also went to Presion Auto and decided to richen the motor a bit, back off on timing and add 1 more  O2 sensor
and check and flow injectors for any problems.

                           JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 30, 2010, 10:42:45 AM
John,
I see that you are using aluminum rods, what are your reasons for going with aluminum over a set of steel rods like Carillo?  I know that fuel motor guys like the aluminum rod for their ability to adsorb shock, which can be pretty big in a fuel motor but most of the other racing categories use some sort of steel rod especially motors with big turbos or blowers, similar to yours.

Just interested in your reasons as I know you do all of your "projects" with lost of sound engineering thinking.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on September 30, 2010, 12:50:41 PM
 
  Rex.. One reason is shock and weight but I don't know what a Carrillo rod weighs, but Joe showed me one he had made for an Offy that seemed pretty heavy, the other reason is cost and these rods give us no problems. Now that brooks is gone the cost for rods is more.

 Yesterday at Joe Bogoshian's shop he had an Arden V8-60 [extremely rare] he was finishing up making it to period looks with copper fuel lines and 4 #81 Stromberg carbs. It was mounted on a nice roll around engine stand and the owner wants to be able to fire it up when visitors come to his museum.

        JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on October 04, 2010, 11:09:26 PM
Saturday we took the trans and engine out.  We also disassembled the clutch and fly wheel and got the block on the engine stand.  Most of the hard work is done, we need to check the cam and make sure it wasn't damage, get the crank out and polished and then work on getting the stuborn sleeves out. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on October 05, 2010, 12:48:27 AM
Rex, Ray Therat has drilled correct gammar into me in the past 16 months.

I am now acting as a "teacher", make that a professor..........

QUOTING YOU,

"Just interested in your reasons as I know you do all of your "projects" with lost of sound engineering thinking."

You have made a grievous error in that sentence.

It is "that they do all of your "projects" with lost of sound engine hearing ".

I think a better statement would be, "  you do all of your "projects" with LOTS of sound engineering thinking."

Now don't you feel better already?  I no I dodo.

Tolerate the misguided old College Prof and continue to show your respect for a talented pair of racers.

I'd be honored to be questioned in a constructive manner by you.

FREUD




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 05, 2010, 11:47:29 AM

  Looks like Rex's fingers got ahead of themselve's :-P
 
             JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on October 05, 2010, 01:33:15 PM
I know the syndrome well. It's very similar to crossed plug wires and becomes stronger with age. :evil: :evil: :evil: :-D

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 16, 2010, 01:59:02 PM

  I think I found part of our piston problem. After reviewing our data log there is a lean spot at partial throttle in the lower gears. Now were deciding on style of piston [much heavier top fuel type] and which rod company to use.
 Also would like to use rifle drilled rods, anybody doing that?


                  JL222


                         


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on October 16, 2010, 06:26:30 PM
yep    EDM process


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 16, 2010, 07:35:22 PM
yep    EDM process

  I should have said is anybody using rifle drilled rods and how are they working out as far as cooling piston crowns and oil pressure.
   
   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on October 16, 2010, 08:04:17 PM
To take care of the piston crowns I am using piston squirtters--I was told the EDM rods were primarially for the wrist pins when using vacum pumps---I believe in using anything that can help move and/or remove the heat


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on October 19, 2010, 08:43:57 AM
 Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on October 19, 2010, 09:16:04 AM
Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.

Really? Why? Would a coating have stopped this damage? If you have any insight I'd like to hear or see it.
Thanks. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 19, 2010, 10:17:34 AM
Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.

  The piston skirts were coated up to ring lands and were looking to anodize the entire piston next time.
 
              JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on October 19, 2010, 12:57:59 PM
Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.

Really? Why? Would a coating have stopped this damage? If you have any insight I'd like to hear or see it.
Thanks. :cheers:

 Well for starters I didn't say it would have stopped the damage. It's just a pretty popular thing to do for highly boosted engines and helps resist damage from detonation. Looks like JL222 is already on it though :)   Didn't mean to offend anyone. I know some folks are anti coating and no amount of coating can prevent meltdown like that but I figured I would mention it.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on October 19, 2010, 02:13:06 PM
Wow guys! Sorry to see such carnage. Were those pistons coated with anything? I think the hot setup for engines like yours is a coating like JEs koolkote. Banodized is another word for it.

Really? Why? Would a coating have stopped this damage? If you have any insight I'd like to hear or see it.
Thanks. :cheers:

 Well for starters I didn't say it would have stopped the damage. It's just a pretty popular thing to do for highly boosted engines and helps resist damage from detonation. Looks like JL222 is already on it though :)   Didn't mean to offend anyone. I know some folks are anti coating and no amount of coating can prevent meltdown like that but I figured I would mention it.


Easy Joe, were all just learning here. I'm not offended, and I didn't say you said  :-D. I just thought you might have some more or new info.
If we want I think there's already a coating thread someplace 'round here..........


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on October 19, 2010, 02:23:42 PM
Sorry. Didn't mean much by it. Just seemed like you made an assumption based on my comment. No worries.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on October 19, 2010, 02:35:43 PM
jl- - - I definately do not abuse an engine like you do, but because the stock GMC has rifle drilled oil holes to the pins I did it in ones I had made.  Could be that GMC trucks were made to be abused pushing those trash trucks around all day.

I have always liked the top ring 3/8" down from the top and never lost a piston doing this. The oil ring was in the pin hole.

When I had new pistons made this last year the manufacturer and I went round and round over ring placement. He liked .200" and I said no way. We compromised at a number that has the oil ring above the pin hole. The oil ring land also feeds the pin and the hole in the top of the rod could do some cooling spray to the bottom of the piston since it is pressurized...not sure on that but it can't hurt. Good luck...JD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on October 19, 2010, 05:39:13 PM

  JD... surprised more racers don't do it, and trying to figure out why. to oil the rifle bore do you drill a hole in
upper rod bearing? I understand that some of the top fuel pistons have the oil ring in the middle of the pin now,
allowing for more spacing between rings. We'll be looking into that design for our new pistons but worried about
the extra weight of a top fuel piston slinging around for 5 miles.
  We might be better off going for only 3 or 4 :roll:

                     JL222



 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: desotoman on October 19, 2010, 06:18:13 PM
yep    EDM process

  I should have said is anybody using rifle drilled rods and how are they working out as far as cooling piston crowns and oil pressure.
   
   JL222

I have never heard of rifle drilled aluminum rods for pin oiling. Has anyone? since I think that is what John uses. I know it is real popular with steel rods.

Tom G.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 12, 2010, 02:52:48 PM
yep    EDM process

  I should have said is anybody using rifle drilled rods and how are they working out as far as cooling piston crowns and oil pressure.
   
   JL222

I have never heard of rifle drilled aluminum rods for pin oiling. Has anyone? since I think that is what John uses. I know it is real popular with steel rods.

Tom G.

  I have learned that rifle drilling is mainly for wrist pin oiling and looking at Carrillo's site they offer drilling the rod at the cap for piston head cooling where squirters are not used but there steel rods not aluminum.
  I like the info on Bill Miller rods as they are forged from billet stock not just machined from billet stock.
 Still researching pistons and start ordering at first of year.
  I thing Al Teague switched to chrome moly rods after having rod problems but we haven't had problems with Brook's rods,except we can't get them now.

                      JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on November 12, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
That sounds like a pretty serious problem to me 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 12, 2010, 11:18:16 PM
That sounds like a pretty serious problem to me 

  Aluminum rods have improved over the years.

               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on November 12, 2010, 11:41:55 PM
Have you looked at getting the rods made in 7068 (Tennalum) ballistic aluminum? I know there at least two cars on the salt with rods made of this stuff. At one time Kaiser Aluminum who makes this stuff was looking for people to run it on the salt. Tony


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 13, 2010, 01:16:14 PM
Have you looked at getting the rods made in 7068 (Tennalum) ballistic aluminum? I know there at least two cars on the salt with rods made of this stuff. At one time Kaiser Aluminum who makes this stuff was looking for people to run it on the salt. Tony

  Sounds interesting what's it like compared to 7075-T6?
  Bill Miller rods used to be made of 7075 but they changed in 1996 to an aluminum developed by Alcoa for Boeing which is lighter and 15% stronger and independent testing shows their forged billet rods 45% stronger than machined billets.

                            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on November 28, 2010, 11:25:13 PM
Looks like our road to rebuilding just got longer.  We need 8 new rods, pistons and sleeves, (possibly a cam), 4 new policarbinate windows, and a head and neck restraint system.  A lot to do before El Mirage, maybe we'll race only at Bonneville this year?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on November 29, 2010, 01:20:17 AM
Looks like our road to rebuilding just got longer.  We need 8 new rods, pistons and sleeves, (possibly a cam), 4 new policarbinate windows, and a head and neck restraint system.  A lot to do before El Mirage, maybe we'll race only at Bonneville this year?

  And....rear electrical shutoff -redo door net mounts. Roll bar diagonal  braces are 5 7/8 in long though


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bobqzzi on December 19, 2010, 12:16:43 AM
Sorry about the damage.  Have you looked into oil squirters for the undersides of the pistons? They can make a tremendous difference in piston temperatures. For something with such a large piston and such harsh use, 2 or 3 per piston would be best.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 19, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
Sorry about the damage.  Have you looked into oil squirters for the undersides of the pistons? They can make a tremendous difference in piston temperatures. For something with such a large piston and such harsh use, 2 or 3 per piston would be best.

  I've thought about it for years I read an article about a turboed chevy in a drag Datson years ago that claimed a bunch of temperature drop [still havn't figured out how he measured it] but he claimed it helped alot and I guess some Diesels have them
 I've been waiting for the top fuel guys to do it and then copy them but not sure how to do it and it seems I would need an oil
cooler as the oil gets hot as is. Not sure if piston heat is our problem as the underside of piston shows no sign of heat but squirters should help as insurance also.
  Any ideas where to look?

               JL222

                 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bobqzzi on December 19, 2010, 12:51:43 PM
Many OEM engines come with them- most turbo 4 import engines, some northstar V8s, all diesels. All Nextel Cup cars F1,and LeMans cars as well- and none of those have the kind of 90 sec WOT runs you do.
The oil cools the bottom of the piston which in turn keeps the top of the piston from melting which looks like what happened.
There are basically 4 ways to do it:
1. A hole drilled in the big end of the rod with coresponding hole in the bearing. This is tough because of the timing and requires the rod oil feed hole be in the correct place.  Not really an option unless you are willing to do a new crank and rods.
2. Imports come with little banjo type squirters with the fixing bolt acting as a pressure relief valve which stays closed until 25psi or so. these are usually tapped into the main galley.  These are commonly available, but adapting them to an exisiting engine V8 could be a major issue. You can searc piston oilers on ebay to see some of these.  Here are some Nascar ones http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/8-Billet-Aluminum-Piston-Squirter-Oilers-Set-NASCAR-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a0c805283QQitemZ180598362755QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
3. Holes are drilled into the main saddle which connect to the back of the main bearing- small orifice/check valves are then inserted.  this may be the best option. Mike Laws at BLP.com used to offer a kit for SBC that I think were like this- I don't see it anymore though, I PM'd him to see what was up  http://www.blp.com/pdf/NP2006.pdf
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16264&hilit=piston+and+oiler
4. External piping systems- these can take several forms- just a series of pipes inside the block or built into the pan. This just require the right parts and some patience I think
You mentioned needing an oil cooler- I'm kind of surprised you don't already have one. I think the best bet for a bville car is to use one of the many oil/water ones available and just plumb it into your existing engine cooling system they are cheap, compact and efficient


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 19, 2010, 02:51:31 PM
 
  Thanks bobqzzi

  Will be calling BLP

              JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Blue on December 19, 2010, 06:49:46 PM
Sorry about the damage.  Have you looked into oil squirters for the undersides of the pistons? They can make a tremendous difference in piston temperatures. For something with such a large piston and such harsh use, 2 or 3 per piston would be best.
Any data on oil squirters and flow rates vs. or in combination with ceramic TBC's on the piston crown?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bobqzzi on December 19, 2010, 07:16:49 PM
Sorry about the damage.  Have you looked into oil squirters for the undersides of the pistons? They can make a tremendous difference in piston temperatures. For something with such a large piston and such harsh use, 2 or 3 per piston would be best.
Any data on oil squirters and flow rates vs. or in combination with ceramic TBC's on the piston crown?

I do not.  I recall seeing some VAG data on the efficacy of squirters, but have long since lost it.

In my opinion, in a Bonneville application a TBC barrier would be useless.  They only slow the transfer of heat and after 90 secs of WOT I don't think there would be much reduction. Further, I often wonder if the piston ends up running hotter because the TBC makes the piston cool slower when the fresh charge comes in.
 But, that's my opinion only, and I can quote no data.




Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dynoroom on December 20, 2010, 12:22:12 AM
Personally I don't run oil squirters in my Bonneville engines although my current Dodge engine came with them so are being used at the moment. However I would use them under certain conditions. Mainly if you were pulling a high crankcase vaccum or had a piston that was a long way up the bore on a short stroke engine with a long rod turbocharged engine. A Buick V6 is an example and we still didn't run oil squirters @ 980 hp with 209 cubic inches for 500 miles. This engine had a very short stroke and a long 6.800" rod.
 Running a blown gas engine with the correct piston crown, ring placement, piston skirt cam grind, barrel shape, ring size, cooling system, fuel system, etc can/will dictate overall success IMO.
I also do not run any skirt, dome, or chamber coatings as my testing tells me that I'm trying to transfer the heat of combustion that's not used for work into the cooling system and exhaust. And I've not seen any power in endurance applications. YMMV.

Here is some information on how the measure different piston temperatures etc. on a running engine.

http://www.engineering.leeds.ac.uk/ietsi/ResearchEngine.shtml


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 20, 2010, 01:06:34 AM
Just a note about the time that John and Troy are at WOT. At the speeds they are running I doubt that they are at WOT much longer than 60 seconds, even to the 5 mile.

John, what does your data logger tell you?

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 20, 2010, 03:51:21 AM
Just a note about the time that John and Troy are at WOT. At the speeds they are running I doubt that they are at WOT much longer than 60 seconds, even to the 5 mile.

John, what does your data logger tell you?

Rex

  I wish we could run full throttle all the time [working on it] :-D
 
 On our 294 mph run 1st gear 6100 rpm 10 sec max throttle 30% ....2nd 7450 rpm whoops 13 sec max tps 44%
 3rd  7100 rpm 12.3 sec max tps 50%... 4th gear 7000 rpm 17 sec tps 100%   Total time on gas 52.3 sec for 3 miles
except for short push off. Top speed 318 mph figuring 1 inch tire growth with no further increase in speed thats 11.32 sec
per mile or 22.64 sec + 52.3= 75 sec for the full 5 miles. full throttle on that run to end would have been about 40sec.

                      JL222


 

 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bobqzzi on December 20, 2010, 09:15:52 PM
I got a reply from Mike Laws

Bob:

Yes we are still selling piston oilers. I am out of the office all week, but please call 1-800-624-1358 and ask for Joe or Mark.

Thanks.
Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 21, 2010, 03:21:50 PM
Just a note about the time that John and Troy are at WOT. At the speeds they are running I doubt that they are at WOT much longer than 60 seconds, even to the 5 mile.

John, what does your data logger tell you?

Rex

  I wish we could run full throttle all the time [working on it] :-D
 
 On our 294 mph run 1st gear 6100 rpm 10 sec max throttle 30% ....2nd 7450 rpm whoops 13 sec max tps 44%
 3rd  7100 rpm 12.3 sec max tps 50%... 4th gear 7000 rpm 17 sec tps 100%   Total time on gas 52.3 sec for 3 miles
except for short push off. Top speed 318 mph figuring 1 inch tire growth with no further increase in speed thats 11.32 sec
per mile or 22.64 sec + 52.3= 75 sec for the full 5 miles. full throttle on that run to end would have been about 40sec.

                      JL222


 

 


    1st -6100 --108 mph--10 sec max tps 30%    seconds are time in each gear
    2nd-7450--  200         13 sec       tps 44%
    3rd- 7100---256         12.3 sec     tps 50%  tried full throttle at first of 3rd but got loose [ backed off quick] :-)
    4th- 7000-- 318          17 sec       tps ioo%  280 21/4 time  294 3rd mile average time  [between 2nd and 3rd mile]


                     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 22, 2010, 01:59:35 AM

  In the above post it should read between the end of 2nd mile traveled and start of 4th mile.
  BNI started timeing in the 2nd mile traveled on the long course traveled this year, so its confusing now to refer
to the 1st mile-2nd mile-or 3rd mile as there is 4 timed miles.
  But I like having that new time :-)


                  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on December 29, 2010, 01:56:11 AM

 After checking the throttle positions and rpms and seconds in gear it only takes 4.2 sec from 6500 rpm [294 mph]
to 7000 rpm [318 mph] on our FAST data logger on our 294 timed run. I have the Bonneville Pro computer program which I input all the data such as hp cd weight gearing ect. which predicts performance with 2400 hp and 341mph and taking 8 sec to go from 6500 to 7000 rpm.
 Next year will see heavier top fuel type pistons new rods and added downforce with a Gurney type flap extending
to max distance of rules with undetermined height for now. This added downforce should allow more throttle in
lower gears.
  On our first run [a tune up run] I shut off at the start of the 3rd mile and had a 271.818 21/4 speed and a
246.68 mph   2 mile speed [ this is the new long course time before the 3 -4 and 5 miles]
 This time is 9.08 mph faster than our 280.513 21/4 and 294 3rd mile run which was [237.60 mph]

        JL222 :cheers: and a happy new year.
 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on February 14, 2011, 10:49:58 PM

  Decided on Bill Miller Engineering top fuel rods as they have a stronger aluminum metal developed for aero industry
and forged out of billet plate instead of just machined from plate. Sent 1 of our Brooks [out of business] rods to him
as he thought he might be able to machine some weight out of his top fuel rods.
 Also sent a piston to look at problem and see what he recommends. But we want 81/2 compression, annodized like his top fuel pistons and dykes ring.

                  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on February 15, 2011, 12:18:18 PM
JL222..........

Nice to see u back.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Avanti Kid on February 17, 2011, 07:18:10 PM
Sounds like your making great engine changes to survive that WOT stage at 300+ mph, I can't wait to see your car on the salt again, take care, Dave  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 19, 2011, 12:34:12 PM
Some parts are in!!

The BME rods is on the right, thicker in some places but hard to see.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BMErods.jpg)

Anodized BME piston

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BMEP2.jpg)

You can see the difference in thickness on the bottom oil ring.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BMEP1.jpg)

On this photo you can see that the BME piston is much thicker at the skirt, and the skirt is a little bit longer.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/BMEP3.jpg)

We will be putting one piston in to check to make sure it doesn't hit the head, then take the rest of the engine apart.  Today is a new beginning.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on March 19, 2011, 12:52:40 PM
Those are some nice parts!  :cheers: Tony


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Captthundarr on March 19, 2011, 01:54:11 PM
Now thats a slug to plug a cyl. with. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on March 19, 2011, 04:15:45 PM
I'm sure BME are quality rods but I wonder why you chose aluminum rods? Top Fuel places huge stresses on the rods but only for a VERY short time. Aluminum has a far shorter fatigue life than steel rods. Top Fuel guys throw the aluminum rods away after a few runs.

REgards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 19, 2011, 07:36:20 PM
Niel, the main reason is that there is less shock.  Secondly they weight less and cost less.  Top fuelers have 8k plus HP and big bucks to throw them away after 8 runs.   The billet aluminum rods that we have been using were never the problem, but when we lost a piston it torched the rod.  Now Brooks rods is out of business, so now we went with BME. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on March 19, 2011, 10:47:50 PM
Thanks for the explanation. I'd Zyglo them for cracks every once in a while, though.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on March 20, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
The slug made an appearance in the block to check clearances.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/slug.jpg)

Now we just need to pull all of the sleeves and get new ones.  Anyone know of a good sleeve puller?

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/block.jpg)

Here is picture of our controversial tire sizes.  Front runners compaired to our wide rear. :-D

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/tires.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on April 14, 2011, 09:27:36 AM
The accumulation of parts are a little slow, but we did call Pro Glass and order 3/16 tinted windows all around.  Should be here in 10 days.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on April 14, 2011, 12:16:30 PM
Troy, I know the drag racers just pound them in and out, but I would think that would put unnecessary wear and tear on the block. When we were working on the Indy Car transmissions and uprights we'd put them in an oven and heat them to about 450 degrees if I remember correctly. The bearings would then just drop out or in without putting the wear on the castings. Is it possible to do the same thing with the sleeves?

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on April 14, 2011, 12:27:31 PM
A lot of diesel motors have sleevs. You usually have a puller to get them out but to re-install we pack them in dry ice and the new ones fall in. When they warm up they are solid.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 14, 2011, 03:45:43 PM
Troy, I know the drag racers just pound them in and out, but I would think that would put unnecessary wear and tear on the block. When we were working on the Indy Car transmissions and uprights we'd put them in an oven and heat them to about 450 degrees if I remember correctly. The bearings would then just drop out or in without putting the wear on the castings. Is it possible to do the same thing with the sleeves?

Pete

  Yea Pete we have to heat the block to get the sleeves out,still not easy, and we put the replacements in the freezer :-D This new block has a tighter fit on the sleeves and I notice that the drag race guys have a much bigger hammer [weight] on there slide pullers than ours.Someone makes a puller that cranks them out, Sort of like an Aframe.
  The engine is already hot from the run when they replace the sleeves at the drags.

   JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on April 14, 2011, 11:00:04 PM
Langlos..... it's so good to see u back in action. Steal a weekend and come to

Gas Up.  Last week this month.

First beverage is on me.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on April 15, 2011, 09:18:23 PM
Langlos..... it's so good to see u back in action. Steal a weekend and come to

Gas Up.  Last week this month.

First beverage is on me.

FREUD

  It was easy to go when I lived 15 miles from there and a lot of fun, have one for me :cheers:

                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 05, 2011, 04:59:15 PM
Still collecting parts, windows are in and sleeves need to be ordered. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on May 17, 2011, 10:08:14 AM
Did you guys get your rear window situation worked out? Tony


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 17, 2011, 02:06:53 PM
Did you guys get your rear window situation worked out? Tony

  We have new tinted 3/16'' lexan from [Pro Glass] for all the windows but not installed yet. Front is already lexan but had a bunch of cracks on driver side from 1/8'' to 1/2'' long. All windows are molded to shape and rear is supposed to be factory sized but it measures 1/2'' short from side to side. Front and side windows are oversized
and we have to cut to our windows. The front window is larger than stock because we don't use stock trim but
to get side windows cut to shape they want us to ship our windows to them :?
  Installing new sleeves and starting on windows this week.

            JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 21, 2011, 09:13:17 PM
  A nice gathering here of speed freaks, this is my dads old car club called the Dusters.  

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DSCN0130.jpg)

You may recognize a few people in this one!  Everyone here has gone over 200mph, a couple have gone over three, one has gone over 300 unofficially :-D and one will in the future.  There are three drivers/owners that are the top of their classes at Bonneville, John Langlo(far left), Seth Hammon (middle), Fred Dannenfelzer(sp) :-P(2nd from the right), Arley Langlo on the far right and he is currently building a streamliner which could go over 400.  Second from the left is Arley's brother Eddie and he was at one time running a studebacker with Arley up until the late 80's and early 90's.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DSCN0131.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 21, 2011, 11:15:39 PM
Ok, we did get a few things done on the car today!!!

The sleeves are always a pain in the butt to get out!  This is how the amature racer does it. :oops:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/photo_31.jpg)

This is what can happen to the amature racer when he forgets to move his finger out of the way.  It didn't hurt too bad. :evil:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/photo_11.jpg)

We got them all out pretty quickly, although not Top Fuel style. :mrgreen:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/photo_21.jpg)

We also started taking the windows out.  The drivers side window was a pain in the rear to get out!!  The front window was a little easier but just a little.  It is nice to see some of the little things that the builders of this chasis did for us.  The spacing of the front window was very well done, now we have to try to match them. :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/frtwindow.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on May 22, 2011, 12:09:21 PM
 A nice gathering here of speed freaks, this is my dads old car club called the Dusters.  

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DSCN0130.jpg)

You may recognize a few people in this one!  Everyone here has gone over 200mph, a couple have gone over three, one has gone over 300 unofficially :-D and one will in the future.  There are three drivers/owners that are the top of their classes at Bonneville, John Langlo(far left), Seth Hammon (middle), Fred Dannenfelzer(sp) :-P(2nd from the right), Arley Langlo on the far right and he is currently building a streamliner which could go over 400.  Second from the left is Arley's brother Eddie and he was at one time running a studebacker with Arley up until the late 80's and early 90's.

  A few more Bville Dusters are Lawrence Johnson and Glen Chambers currently involved and three that passed away recently
Sonny Caster, David Carroll and Dick Griffin, Dick and Dave were also  2 club members.
  The Dusters were a hot rod car club of the fifties and sixties with about 25 members at any one time. We had different club
cars that we drag raced + our own cars.
 
                       JL222
 

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/DSCN0131.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 30, 2011, 11:21:14 AM
Working on the windows on this day, took the passenger side window out and cutting and fitting the front window.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/cuttingwindow.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/fittingwindow.jpg)

Today we will be installing the sleeves, on my up there in a few. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on May 30, 2011, 11:36:52 PM
Putting in sleeves is a bit of a process for us.  Mom thought she was getting this new fridge for food?

Wrong!!  Today we needed it more, yep we put them in there to shrink the metal just a bit.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/freezer.jpg)

After the sleeve freeze for an hour or so, we take one out and defrost the top and bottom so we can apply just a little silicone :roll:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/silicone.jpg)

We heat the block up for awhile so it can expand some, and silicone the top and bottom of the cylinder at the o-ring housing.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/siliconeblk.jpg)

Line up the sleeve in the correct position and hope it doesn't rotate when you smack it! :-o

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/hammerblk.jpg)

Just a little mess to clean before we secure it down with a couple sockets and a nut.

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/finishedblk.jpg)

A bottom view of a nicely sealed cylinders.  Dodge thing better not leak this time!!! :evil:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/bottomblk.jpg)

Main caps are in and the block is now ready to go the machine shop and get bored.  Main bolts center: trq to 120, sides trq to 80

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/mains.jpg)







Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 04, 2011, 09:32:14 PM
Working on the windows today, we got the deck lid off.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8bca07b9.jpg)

This picture shows the frame work that we took off the glass window and now siliconed onto the plexi window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/adea35cb.jpg)

Front window has been custom fitted and intercooler hole cut.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/78167de2.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/04022477.jpg)

Getting closer, next week we will get the spoiler mounted on the window and get it functional again.  Lot to do!! :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 11, 2011, 09:52:17 AM
Video update time.  Every once in a while I will post our old videos so they are found fairly easy.  Not sure how many pages between each posting on this build diary but seemes like it has been a while. :mrgreen:


El Mirage Nov. 08 sunday

http://youtu.be/NJZbf4_IUeo

same run but inside view.

http://youtu.be/L8BabM070vc

El Mirage Nov. 08 saturday.  I was a bit more aggressive on this first run. :|

http://youtu.be/mHUEA-pScY8

same run inside view

http://youtu.be/Udo7XM472Qk



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 11, 2011, 10:11:09 AM
Dyno session in the late night/morning hours.

http://youtu.be/iJApvHuDpL0

We did some tuning during the day time too.

http://youtu.be/8ksf9rHChFM

results for previous pull.

http://youtu.be/DFcpyvs5na4

Bonneville speed week 09.  This is what happens when you don't clutch it when the wheels get loose in the lower gears. :-D BTW: this is not me. :-D

http://youtu.be/N_CEUEoBgq8

Bonneville speed week 10.  First GoPro video, much better quality.  Shake down pass 270mph

http://youtu.be/kLG0JFzazrs



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on June 13, 2011, 08:13:44 PM
Hey Troy,

Are you guys planning to run at El Mirage this year, or are you running Bonneville only?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 13, 2011, 11:11:30 PM
If we/car can survive Bonneville this year we will run El Mirage in November.  We have too much to do To the car before Bonneville to make any meets prior. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 19, 2011, 11:01:53 PM
Front window is mounted and just needs each screw to be counter sunk so it is flush to the window. 

Getting the spoiler ready for a window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/65973bee.jpg)

Drilling the holes that attach the spoiler to the window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/eab3b033.jpg)

Finally have the deck lid window mounted.  Just have to place a few fasteners through the window in a couple strategic areas to make sure the window stays attached to the car.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/14f60c51.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on June 20, 2011, 12:09:39 AM
WOW!!! That looks REALLY good!!! GREAT job!!!   :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 20, 2011, 10:06:37 AM
We will check today and see if we can pick up our parts.  The block has been bored, just waiting on the crank and heads to be finished.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Livin1072 on June 20, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
Wow I'm caught up on all 97 pages  :-D

Congrats on your documented process of overcoming obstacles that offten detour the most ambitious goal chasers!! 

After running numerous payment events I'm excited about running on the salt this year!!  Thank you for the motivation displayed through your dedication to achieve.   :cheers:



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 20, 2011, 02:01:20 PM

  Thanks Livin...I guess being stuborn helps :-D We always thought we were on the right track using centrifugal superchargers but we have had our problems using two. When Procharger came out with the
4000 cfm F3-R39 it solved that problem as we now can just run one.
  Hopefully with our new top fuel type pistons and some fine tuning it will hold together and make a couple of 300 mph + recorded times.
  Stop by at speedweek.

                         JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 21, 2011, 08:11:46 PM
Killer job on the rear window - heck, the whole darned car.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 22, 2011, 06:56:59 PM
Had a little set back today.  The heads we have been running since 92 are no longer good.  The heat we created last year got the beat of them! :evil:  we are seating for new ones that have the stock dimensions valve length and manifold bolt pattern amongst many other variables.  Hopefully we can get heads without having to replace the manifold. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 26, 2011, 12:58:17 AM
We got a few things done today.  Since the front window isn't 100% finished, I took the window out and prepped the dash for a fresh coat of paint.  Today we did get our passenger side lexan installed.  Here is a look at how we traced and cut the lexan.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/43677aaf.jpg)

The finished piece with the window track installed.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/71dba716.jpg)

Window installed minus the brackets we will use to hold the window in place.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5ee8d4ab.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 26, 2011, 11:59:53 AM
 

   Bvillercr.....Those fotos sure look easier than it was :-D


               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2011, 10:16:14 AM
Glass window traced onto the lexan, and how we cut it.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5d0bd57b.jpg)

The inside dash is painted winter grey and the area where the window will sit is a gloss black.  Once we counter sink the screw holes the window will be on for good.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/2341d143.jpg)

Driver side window is now installed, much easier than the passenger side.  Now we need to order our clamp down latches and install those and the side windows will be complete.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cf8c8903.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 27, 2011, 11:07:15 AM

  We are hoping to use the latches you see on the pro-stock side windows, as we need to roll the windows
down to steer the car in and out of the trailer. We also have to turn on the air to the trans or it will not roll
backward.

  Anyone trying to use non-formed Lexan on curved glass is in for a lot of cussin :-P  Ours is pre-formed.

  Were also looking to use Duze-fastners on the side of the rear window as I'm worried that air could pull
the glass away from the body and rip off the whole deck lid spoiler and all, with disastrous results. The Lexan 3/16'' is flexable as the stock glass is very sturdy.

  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on June 27, 2011, 07:05:37 PM
Glass window traced onto the lexan, and how we cut it.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5d0bd57b.jpg)

The inside dash is painted winter grey and the area where the window will sit is a gloss black.  Once we counter sink the screw holes the window will be on for good.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/2341d143.jpg)

Driver side window is now installed, much easier than the passenger side.  Now we need to order our clamp down latches and install those and the side windows will be complete.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cf8c8903.jpg)

JL222;

Won't that "winter grey" dash give you an annoying reflection on the inside of your nice slanted Lexan windshield? I'd go with flat black.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 27, 2011, 07:30:09 PM
 Niel...never noticed a glare and the hood shades it, also the lexan is tinted.
 Both of my ford trucks are grey and so is my Nissan Exterra.

  Flat black at EL Mirage would be a pain to keep clean.

                  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 27, 2011, 10:16:40 PM
The most annoying glare I have ever had was around 730 am on return record runs at bville.  The sunrise in the morning is spectacular but the glare was worth it. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: manta22 on June 28, 2011, 12:44:57 PM
Niel...never noticed a glare and the hood shades it, also the lexan is tinted.
 Both of my ford trucks are grey and so is my Nissan Exterra.

  Flat black at EL Mirage would be a pain to keep clean.

                  JL222

JL222;

I thought "Clean" and "Elmo" was an oxymoron.  :-D

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 28, 2011, 06:56:16 PM
Front window is now installed, just need to get hand full o screws to complete. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/3710ab7a.jpg)

We are now waiting for some Dzus fasteners and some window latches and then we will be done with the windows!!  Next will be engine assembly. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 29, 2011, 08:34:50 PM
Some rear window work today.

The bracket that we made to Dzus to window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/34174a91.jpg)

First photo is drilling the lexan, second picture is showing the fine tuning of the hole to get the Dzus to fit correctly.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/d47503d8.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/30bd6acb.jpg)

The completed install.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/fb4ed766.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on June 29, 2011, 08:40:30 PM
A short video of why we had to do this install.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a48a8067.mp4


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on June 30, 2011, 08:21:30 PM
A short video of why we had to do this install.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a48a8067.mp4

  Today we attached angle brackets to the inside of the spill plates and the Lexan to take out more flexing.
 This was not needed on the original glass.

  we'll be siliconing between lexan and deck lid to make sure air can;t get in there also.


                JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 06, 2011, 10:41:22 PM
This picture shows the brackets we made to secure and stiffen up our spill plates to the window.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/4b3edbfc.jpg)

Making new brackets for our head restraint padding.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9e3a45f4.jpg)

The completed version, we had to move the padding forward about two inches to comply with the new rule.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/bca5736d.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 06, 2011, 11:54:15 PM
Better to see inside.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 08, 2011, 09:46:17 PM
Better to see inside.

  But not to get outside :-P

   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 08, 2011, 10:18:01 PM

  Good news on our Stage 5 heads. I wasn't able to order them until Tuesday the 5th because the tech guy
was out on emergency leave and I wanted to make sure my valves and rockers ect would work .... he said they could get them out this week. yea right...BUT I talked to him this morning and they were finishing up a little machining and would be shipping them today :-D

I should get them Monday, do some port marking and send them to Larry's Engine and Marine in Tuson, Arizona
were they will do the valve job, porting and O-ring the heads. Larry's say it will be about a week :cheers:

  Larry's has been in business for 35 yrs and did the heads I'm replacing and has an A+ BBB rating.

  Tomorrow we'll be working on installing the Pro-Stock type Hartwell window latches on the side windows.


                          JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 10, 2011, 08:42:38 PM
We had to make these lexan triangle pieces to help keep the window from flexing at the front.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6a6adc14.jpg)

First hole drilled for the latch system.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ac952ab7.jpg)

Bottom hole is done

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cd9f3257.jpg)

This how the system connect on the inside, we may modify this some.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6f0de675.jpg)

Push the big disc to open.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/50d7069c.jpg)

Push the little one to attach.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/f15ec0f1.jpg)



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 10, 2011, 10:42:22 PM
This latch is pretty stout but moves pretty easy.  This little video shows how well it moves.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6e77f1fa.mp4



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jdincau on July 10, 2011, 11:05:46 PM
Where did you buy the latches? Is there a part number?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 10, 2011, 11:19:22 PM
This should be the link.

http://www.jerrybickel.com/windows-and-accessories/upper-door-and-window-latches-2.html


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 11, 2011, 12:31:52 PM
This should be the link.

http://www.jerrybickel.com/windows-and-accessories/upper-door-and-window-latches-2.html

  One of the latches didn't close up against the holes in the window when latch was in closed position [like one of the links was to short] so rather than getting another one, we placed it on the anvil and gave it a couple of whacks with a hammer and punch in just the right place,  worked great :-D

  Also surprised that latch does not hook around chassis loop [ its more like a notch]. We might put more of a hook
on latch.

                             JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 13, 2011, 12:37:57 AM
  Stage 5 shipped our heads Monday, U.P.S. left a note on the gate saying they needed a signature.

 They have my phone # and usually call when there close but not today [Tue], DANG another lost day.

  Need to check them out and send to Tuson for valve job- porting and o-ringing.

             JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2011, 10:29:03 AM
We did get some things done yesterday too.  Here is a couple pictures of our second electrical shut off at the back of the car.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/0a82c24b.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ac713124.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 14, 2011, 06:15:57 PM

 Got the Stage 5 heads yesterday the 13th, I didn't order untill July 5th, great service as that time includes
2 days shipping.
  Shipped them to Tucson today to be ported --ect. and boy do they need it, there not meant to be run without porting.
   Post pics later.


                               JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 14, 2011, 09:37:23 PM
Sure feels good when something goes better than you anticipated, doesn't it?????

Yaaa for the two of you.

See you in impound.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2011, 08:55:00 AM
Our new rod/piston combo.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e10bbf56.jpg)

First piston being installed.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/3f3efb46.jpg)

This shows the curved grooves on the bottom of the rod.  All of our other rods had a straight cut, on a curve there is more surface area for strength.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/941c93d5.jpg)

All of the slugs are in, now it's rime to torque em down.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/5648df33.jpg)

This shows that BME suggested that when torqueing the rods that a feeler gauge be put between the two rods while tightening.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/af4604f3.jpg)

Cam and ballancer is on.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8c524220.jpg)

This picture shows the direct of how the ballancer installer should be, flat when installing.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/b11131fc.jpg)

And curved when taking off, there are more bolts that go through this pulley system when disassembling ballancer.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/99f00015.jpg)

Getting ready to time the cam.  We got the wheel and the lifter gauge so we know when the intake is opening.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e014224f.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/126705da.jpg)

We will get the timing done on another day.  Still plenty to do before we get our heads back from Phoenix. :cheers:



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jimmy six on July 18, 2011, 09:15:07 AM
Your referance to BME and the feeler gage while torquing rod bolts is a normal practice for assembling high performance engines. It saves the bearing from any damage.

I would have never thought of saying it because my dad taught me this when I was 16 doing my first engine rebuild; he just acted like it was normal.

Glad you shared it as there are many who would have never thought of doing it.....JD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 18, 2011, 09:31:54 AM
This latch is pretty stout but moves pretty easy.  This little video shows how well it moves.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/6e77f1fa.mp4



  We also welded the loop to the roll bar that the latch hooks onto yesterday.

  We thought it might need more of a hook added but Bvillercr got inside and pushed on window and it held just fine :-D

 We'll add a velcro strip further back on window for insurance :-P

  BME is a little different on rod torque, first oil threads on bolt and rod, both sides of washers and bottom of rod and cap, snug up with feeler guage at parting line, then torque to 100 ft lbs one side at a time!!

              JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 18, 2011, 10:08:56 AM
Your referance to BME and the feeler gage while torquing rod bolts is a normal practice for assembling high performance engines. It saves the bearing from any damage.

I would have never thought of saying it because my dad taught me this when I was 16 doing my first engine rebuild; he just acted like it was normal.

Glad you shared it as there are many who would have never thought of doing it.....JD

We try to share everything we do, it's a build diary and maybe someone can learn from what we do.  We can also learn from others who respond to our build, never to old to learn. :-D


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on July 18, 2011, 10:28:20 AM
You guys do some fantastic work. I hope you do well this Speedweek. Above all, be safe. Is the easy chair there in one of the photos for John to rest in????


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on July 19, 2011, 07:12:58 PM
Who's driving this year?

Good luck boys, I look forward to seeing you run  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 19, 2011, 10:53:44 PM
Who's driving this year?

Good luck boys, I look forward to seeing you run  :cheers:

  Me 1st :-D   If we set a record over 300, we might go for A fuel altered class then Bvillercr will drive, depending
on time and engine condition. Never works out that way though :-P

          JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 19, 2011, 11:19:36 PM
A little bit every day will get us ready for Bonneville!  I cleaned the soiled oil pan today, what a mess! :-o. It took a good 45 minutes to get all of the metal out of it.  The cam is timed, pan is on, electronic pickup is in position, the front plate is installed.  By the end of the week we will have the oil pump installed, the fuel pump, all of the head studs, the clutch and the bell housing.  Engine and blower system should be in the car Saturday and the tranny on Sunday.  Still need to clean all of the oil lines and tank and all of the fuel lines.  Hopefully we will get out heads at the end of next week and get those and the rest if the engine completed!  We will do all we can before the heads get here. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/faffbc0e.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2011, 11:14:03 AM
When we blew last year, we also blew oil all over the engine compartment.  Had to clean it all off before the engine goes in.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9ab524e8.jpg)

We had to do more adjustment and tinkering than we thought on the clutch and starter.  It is ready to go in today!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/001f39af.jpg)

Hopefully we can get the rest if the trans in and the blower system in today as well. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 24, 2011, 12:19:18 PM


  Bvillercr makes it sound like it was sittin there sopin in oil all this time :roll:

  Actually what he cleaned up, [with Gunk degreaser] was residue left over from original cleanup last August.


                     JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 24, 2011, 10:56:34 PM
We got a lot accomplished today!  First picture shows our back mounting plate and how it attaches to the fire wall.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/660dff29.jpg)

The block is bolted in, and you can see the front mounting plate connections.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/88e6e9ab.jpg)

Much easier to put the blower and plate in with it all attached, but it's too heavy for us to lift.  Engine hoist it is!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/dd740afa.jpg)

Blower system is in, and every time we take the engine out there is always adjustment needed to the plate to get it squared up to the crank.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/58ce1f79.jpg)

This is the critical part of the alignment, these two parts of the blower drive need to move in and out silky smooth.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cccc4d0d.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/efcfd31e.jpg)

The blower belt is on, and we got the gas tank mounted too.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/90f846dc.jpg)

We are starting to get ahead!  Just a few more things to do before we get our heads back from Pheonix.  Hopefully we will get them before the weekend so we can put the rest of the motor together and get all of the electronics hooked up.  We may even have time to get the car on the dyno before Bonneville. :cheers:



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 25, 2011, 09:10:04 AM
Forgot to add that we got the transmissions in the car as well. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/44fabc59.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 25, 2011, 01:09:40 PM
John and Troy,
Great to see how your car goes back together, it shows some of the things that are not obvious when you look at the completely assembled car. Like the blower drive, which is absolutely "elegant"! Planning to see you in August, I am going to trailer my modified this year as I can carry a lot more camping stuff in my pickup and the seat in my roadster doesn't like my butt for much more than about 100 miles. Age sucks!!

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 25, 2011, 02:37:05 PM
   
 Rex... yeah age sucks, you''ll miss getting soaked by the rain :-D

  Might see you on I-80 for the third time. Come by and see us.

   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on July 28, 2011, 06:40:36 PM
I read through this entire thread and im amazed with level you guys operate on. Hopefully i make out to Bonneville and check out your car in person it looks great in pictures and im sure pictures dont do justice compared to the real thing. Im a big procharger fan and i do hope to get a chance to stop by so that i ask you some questions and get some pointers about your blower intercooler setup.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 28, 2011, 07:16:16 PM
I was hoping that you could warm it on NITRO in impound, just once for me....................

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: gearheadeh on July 28, 2011, 08:07:24 PM
I was hoping that you could warm it on NITRO in impound, just once for me....................

FREUD

Put in a WHOLE stack of head gaskets to drop the compression first! :-o


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 28, 2011, 09:24:50 PM
I read through this entire thread and im amazed with level you guys operate on. Hopefully i make out to Bonneville and check out your car in person it looks great in pictures and im sure pictures dont do justice compared to the real thing. Im a big procharger fan and i do hope to get a chance to stop by so that i ask you some questions and get some pointers about your blower intercooler setup.

  Yeah stop by :cheers:

  JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 28, 2011, 09:27:59 PM
I was hoping that you could warm it on NITRO in impound, just once for me....................

FREUD

  Some think we are on nitro :-D

  We have enough trouble on parts wash

             JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on July 28, 2011, 09:47:44 PM
I'll see u the first day that I arrive.

I've just ordered 28 hour days until Speed Week. If you don't need the time to finish the assembly,

you can sleep a bit longer each day.

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on July 29, 2011, 12:06:33 AM
 JL222
           I'll make sure I stop by, thanks.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 29, 2011, 12:57:01 AM
  Today we got the ballistic blankets on the transmissions, drive shaft on, dust shield between motorplate and
step pan on, sumptank cleaned out and remounted, a couple of oil lines cleaned and installed and the blower
tubes cleaned out. Aso new rebuild '' new geroters and shaft'' oilpump installed.

 Heads might ship tomorrow, Larry called for our old flow sheets, and said they  were already ahead by 40 cfm
at one of the lower lifts :-D

 Still had to finish porting, surface the heads and o-ring them but thought they might still be able to ship Friday.

  Have to ship next day now, time is running out and not sure pushrod holes will clear pushrods.
 We had to mill out ''elongate'' pushrod holes in old heads as we have a raised cam, but Stage 5 thinks they will be OK.

 New 375 lb on the seat springs waiting to be installed when we get the heads.

                 JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 29, 2011, 11:21:26 PM

  HEADS are shipped ''next day delivery'' OUCH!!

  Fuel pump mounted and line from gas tank on, oil lines from pan to pump then sump back to pump out to filter and back to pump installed.

  Fire bottle cables hooked up. Intercooler ''air side'' flushed and some tubes installed

  Might fire up Sunday :-D


                  JL222

                         


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 30, 2011, 12:59:00 AM
Lookin good guys, can't wait to see the beast ........13days!!!!!!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on July 30, 2011, 11:42:27 AM
Lookin good guys, can't wait to see the beast ........13days!!!!!!

  Hope we can meet up.

  We better stock up on beer :-D

   JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2011, 11:59:00 AM
We made some progress yesterday! :cheers:  just a little bit of finish welding on our window latch.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9e099800.jpg)

We finally got our heads yesterday at 1, with new heads require mods and inspection of clearances and ofcourse assembly.  The new springs are pretty stiff and the push rods are tight. :-P

Here is a picture of the grinding I had to do on the valve covers.  We had the dual plugs before and now we have to change the blanks from one hole to another.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/274d2fed.jpg)

Dad lashing the valves.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/02de5396.jpg)

Done for the night, finished around 1am, should have everything finished today and a possible engine start. :cheers:



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bob Jr. on July 31, 2011, 12:40:02 PM
 :-D A little tuning time before going to the salt.... :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on July 31, 2011, 12:52:56 PM
Looks good Bob, we may get on the dyno yet!  Forgot a picture.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/69eda7be.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 01, 2011, 09:36:55 AM
No start up yesterday, but we're close!  Once we got the manifold on we had to check our new hole in the front window to make sure it was correct.  Well, it was close.. I had to shave it a little larger to get it right/closer. :-D. All we have to do is install a couple of blower tubes, distibutor, spark plugs, add water, and put a tune into the FAST and she's ready to start.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/07f575af.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 03, 2011, 01:46:28 PM
No start up yesterday, but we're close!  Once we got the manifold on we had to check our new hole in the front window to make sure it was correct.  Well, it was close.. I had to shave it a little larger to get it right/closer. :-D. All we have to do is install a couple of blower tubes, distibutor, spark plugs, add water, and put a tune into the FAST and she's ready to start.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/07f575af.jpg)

  Started right up :-D Justin Coffman adjusted the tune in the fast, from last year ''a little richer at part throttle'' no leaks and sounds good.
Just need to restart to warm engine and adjust valves and were ready to load.
  Decided not to dyno, as tune up was good last year and we'll make a short tuneup pass at Bville.



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
Like JL222 said, started up easy and sounded good!  Here is a picture with it all buttoned up and ready to fire.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/f5589603.jpg)

Also, here is a cell phone video while I was inside.  This should work... Sound isn't that great from the phone:-)

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/8514ea4a.mp4


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: coloradodave on August 03, 2011, 02:01:21 PM
I thought the sound was pretty good for a phone


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on August 03, 2011, 02:12:03 PM
Well I cant seem to get it to open.  :cry:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: MC 1314 on August 03, 2011, 02:22:03 PM
Worked ok for me..sound wasn't bad either. Go get em!
Bob


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 03, 2011, 05:32:16 PM
John and Troy,
Sounds great!!! I just love the way electronic fuel injected engines start "right now"! no screwing around waiting for fuel to go through the carb venturi or waiting for the injector pump to make pressure, hit the start switch and bang it is running!! Looking forward to seeing you at the salt.

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 03, 2011, 06:51:40 PM
Sounds good, looks good. I hope things continue to go that well for you guys. You deserve it with all the work. Thanks for the documentation of your continuing adventure.:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 03, 2011, 08:17:13 PM
What they said (except Fred  :mrgreen: )

 :cheers:  :cheers:

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 03, 2011, 08:20:22 PM
Right on guys, can't wait to see it on the salt.  :cheers:

P.S. What class are you guys running and what is the current record anyway?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 03, 2011, 09:43:26 PM
Right on guys, can't wait to see it on the salt.  :cheers:

P.S. What class are you guys running and what is the current record anyway?

We are running in ABGALT, I own the current record at 246.550.  Its a pretty soft record, we lost an intercooler the day before and didn't realize it until the morning of record returns and we lost a blower belt at the 2 on the return run.  We were lucky to run to the 3 and get the record and a red hat for me. :cheers:  My dad will be chasing the record until he gets it, hopefully this year. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: fredvance on August 03, 2011, 09:48:17 PM
Sounds good, opened fine with my laptop. Hope to meet you guys this year. I love your car.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 04, 2011, 12:21:26 AM
Thanks Fred, our pits should be fairly close to the pit entrance on the long course side; would be great to meet you too. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on August 04, 2011, 09:41:54 AM
Quote
Well I cant seem to get it to open.

I had the same problem with the default windows media player.

Download VLC media player it plays almost everything, they do a good job of keeping it up to date.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Larry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2011, 10:54:59 PM
Car is all buttoned up and ready to load up!!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/2c3304f0.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/22e4bb24.jpg)

All loaded up and ready to see and run on the great white dyno!!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/72fad180.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 08, 2011, 12:05:33 AM
All the best you guys, go get a record or two! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 08, 2011, 01:56:54 AM

  Thanks PJ, Bvillercr didn't show wsa the truck stuffed to the gills in front of the trailer, loading the car was the easy part, took most of the day on truck :-P

   Just got to load chairs behind car--suitcases in front and ice in the cooler :-D

   Never ever been ready this early :-o

   Or spent so many inflated bucks, SCTA stuff-- Lexan windows all around--Hans device--rear electric shutoff, Latches for side windows

   New top fuel style pitons and rings new rods and rebalance-- new heads and valve springs- new porting and valve job--new sleeves and bore job ---all new bearings.


             JL222


 

 
 



             JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: coloradodave on August 08, 2011, 07:23:04 AM
Looks great as always, can't wait to hear it in person.
Save travels

Dave


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 08, 2011, 10:14:30 PM
Ok, now the pressure is on!  Bill, one of our crew got a new tattoo with us in mind :-D

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/a5c4cf14.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 09, 2011, 11:47:58 PM
John and Troy,
You have a complete new piece under the hood with only some shop running, what is your plan with the engine before you get serious? I'm sure that you don't plan to just stand on it.

Looking forward to seeing you there!

Like the "tat".

Rex


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 10, 2011, 11:59:19 AM

  Rex...The plan is to load it some in 2nd or 3rd gear and shut down, then look at data logger and adjust.


        see you there...JL222


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 10, 2011, 03:17:18 PM
My ride has arrived!!  Drive up to Carson City, Nevada tonight and head for Utah in the morning. :cheers:

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/91a218ec.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Tom Slick on August 10, 2011, 04:16:37 PM
Good luck guys and be safe  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on August 10, 2011, 06:27:58 PM
You have to go 300 now.. to do right by that tattoo.. :-D best of luck guys!


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2011, 09:08:39 AM
A little update.

Inspection line was long, we got into line at 1 and out by 4. 

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/9b864116.jpg)

Our car at the end of the line.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/e12056ce.jpg)

A nice sunrise leaving Wendover for the salt.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/b4ba9f38.jpg)

A photo of the drivers meeting before racing can start.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/0499faf6.jpg)

As for our car.... We did a tuning pass... We were going to make a 1 1/2-2 squirt to get a good 3rd gear pull and shut off.  The car hauled some donkey, but when JL222 shifted into 3rd he didn't lift on the throttle and spun out about the 3/4 mark and eventually taking out the mile marker. :-P

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/dea5a028.jpg)

On our data logger indicated that the car was going about 220 when it spun, that was the only good news.  The front end alignment may be toe out a little so we are going to check that out today and run after it's fixed. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on August 14, 2011, 09:12:38 AM
Good luck guys. Hope to see some big numbers :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:ers for you...


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2011, 09:48:37 PM
Chasing some gremlins in the car, should have them all figured out and will run in the morning on a new track. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 16, 2011, 09:58:29 PM
Electronics or mechanical?

Watching for 300 from you guys.  Don't let us down!   :mrgreen:

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 16, 2011, 11:43:20 PM
Electronics or mechanical?

Watching for 300 from you guys.  Don't let us down!   :mrgreen:

Mike

Both :-P


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 17, 2011, 09:30:54 PM
The car is running great, unfortunatelythe new lexan window rule is kicking our donkey!! :evil:  everytime we run the driver side window blows out!  This new rule has really slowed us down. :|  we think we got it fixed and will run again in the morning. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on August 17, 2011, 09:52:42 PM
Keep up the hard work  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: wilcox garage on August 18, 2011, 12:01:01 AM
  It was good talking to you guys today! Good luck the rest of the week , get that thing in impound , we will be watching!
  The 142 Crew 


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2011, 07:49:59 AM
  It was good talking to you guys today! Good luck the rest of the week , get that thing in impound , we will be watching!
  The 142 Crew 

Mark, it was great talking with all you Mohawks too. :-D. We are going to the hardware store this morning and get extra supplies, just in case. :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2011, 06:27:55 PM
We made it to impound on our first pass through the 3.  The bad news is that our windows are still flexing out some, preventing us from going farther down the course.  We went through the 2 1/4 at 256 and JL222 was backing out of the throttle because of the window, he slowed to 255 in the mile.  The data logger shows he was goin over 280 some where between the 2 1/4 and the 3.  Hopefully record return run will be better. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 18, 2011, 09:39:38 PM
One thing I didn't mention was in line behavior.  We are next to a nice diesel rig with a motorcycle trailer on the back and while my dad was in the car suited up and buckled in the guy starts his rig and let's it idle.  All the fumes are going inside our car and we asked him to shut if off and explained why.  The guy we asked said we are cooling the cab with the A.C.!!! :evil: WTF!!  That didn't go over very well with me and let this guy know it!  He did eventually turn his truck off.  Unbelievable how some people think.  Sorry for the rant. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2011, 05:29:01 PM
JL222 is now in the Bonneville 2 club. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: ol38y on August 19, 2011, 06:12:29 PM
JL222 is now in the Bonneville 2 club. :cheers:

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 19, 2011, 06:13:32 PM
x2  :cheers:  :cheers:

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: lvsalt on August 19, 2011, 06:27:57 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: hotrod on August 19, 2011, 06:35:42 PM
Good Deal!

Some how I missed your car every time I went into the pits. I was hoping to stop and say hello to you guys again this year.

Larry


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: t russell on August 19, 2011, 06:41:41 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Jorge on August 19, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: whats the top speed?


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Bville701 on August 19, 2011, 08:57:36 PM
Great job guys!!!    :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 19, 2011, 09:31:49 PM
Our official top speed was 259 at the 3, our data logger showed a top speed around 280+.  We need to replace the front end and the hood. :| anyone know any good front end fabricators for fiberglass front ends? :mrgreen:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: SPARKY on August 19, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
congrats on the hat==long time coming  :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 19, 2011, 09:45:39 PM
John and Troy....I'm overjoyed. It wasn't all you wanted but at least Daddio has the Hat.

There are still more opportunities ahead of you.

Keep all of us informed. We are most interested in your success.

FREUD



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: maguromic on August 19, 2011, 11:23:26 PM
anyone know any good front end fabricators for fiberglass front ends? :mrgreen:

Harry Glass makes a nice piece and will make it anyway you want, thick or light.  http://www.hairyglass.com/camaro.html   about half way down the page.  Almost all his stuff is from pro stock cars (subtle aero tweaks) and was made for Jerry Bickel, Jerry Hass and others. Tony


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2011, 12:12:38 AM
Thanks Tony, but no aero tweaks in front ends.  That would get us in trouble. :-D

A few pictures of the damage.

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/cbbb70a3.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/77ebb024.jpg)

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/1b0051a2.jpg)

Hard to see but when the hood blew off it took all the Dzus fasteners out of the front end.

But the results priceless!

(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/bvillercrr/ead59f65.jpg)


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Peter Jack on August 20, 2011, 12:11:49 PM
Congratulations Guys. It was well EARNED. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Just an outside the box thought. Would a stock hood completely gutted with light tubular bracing similar to what's used in a Cup car maybe do a better job for you? Then you might be able to use a quick release hinge at the front.

Pete


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: thundersalt on August 20, 2011, 12:47:01 PM
Glad to see you guys got it done. It seems we had a fairly successful pit group. 3 new club members: John, Frank, and Ed. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Freud on August 20, 2011, 02:24:58 PM
Congratulations John. Is the score now John 2  Troy 1?

FREUD


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: javajoe79 on August 20, 2011, 08:45:45 PM
 Congrats guys. I am glad it all worked out ok and you guys and the car were ok. We spun just before you yesterday and I was watching you with the binoculars when you spun. Must have been a hell of a ride. That hood got some serious air time.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 38flattie on August 20, 2011, 11:02:39 PM
You guys were pitted across from us, and we stopped over to B.S. with you. You guys were great!

That's an awesome car, and even greater feat that you acheived! Congrats on the red hat! :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 20, 2011, 11:03:59 PM
Congrats, guys, and a pleasure finally meeting you, Troy.

 :cheers: x3


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 20, 2011, 11:15:31 PM
Congratulations John. Is the score now John 2  Troy 1?

FREUD

Freud, it's now 2-2.  He finally caught up to the kid and the kid has never spun. :-D

Thanks everyone for the replies, we need some ideas for a new paint scheme.  Throw some at us. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: GH on August 21, 2011, 08:30:33 AM
Great going you guys, really happy John got the Red Hat. Keep up the great work.


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: revolutionary on August 21, 2011, 07:26:31 PM
Congrats!

BTW, thanks for taking the time to talk with Lewis and I showing us the details of your chassis. I know you didn't have to take off the front end and we really appreciate your advice is showing us what worked on your car. Like you said though, this isn't drag racing.

Hopefully we'll have the AA/BGALT reay for next year...


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: bvillercr on August 21, 2011, 09:14:15 PM
Congrats!

BTW, thanks for taking the time to talk with Lewis and I showing us the details of your chassis. I know you didn't have to take off the front end and we really appreciate your advice is showing us what worked on your car. Like you said though, this isn't drag racing.

Hopefully we'll have the AA/BGALT reay for next year...

You and Louis, were our high light of Bonneville.  You guys cracked us up, it was great meeting the both of you too. :cheers:


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August 22, 2011, 12:50:38 AM
We made it to impound on our first pass through the 3.  The bad news is that our windows are still flexing out some, preventing us from going farther down the course.  We went through the 2 1/4 at 256 and JL222 was backing out of the throttle because of the window, he slowed to 255 in the mile.  The data logger shows he was goin over 280 some where between the 2 1/4 and the 3.  Hopefully record return run will be better. :cheers:

 Return was worse, lighting was striking and thundering as we left the line [ pretty cool] and just very few drops of rain course was not smoothly graded and traction limited. Data logger shows 1st 19% tps --2nd max 27%---3rd max 37% but backing off to 33% before shifting [225 mph] 38 sec. 4th tried 100% for 1.7 sec. backed off to max of 48% tps [51.5 sec.]
 6140 rpm = 278 mph rpm data logger shows 6400 rpm  car was loose on entire run saved it after 21/4 mile trap but got loose near end of 3 mile starting to spin, pulled chute but still spun, saw hood fly off and chute in front of car, seemed
like long slow spins, not several like 1st run.

  After getting out of car I noticed bottom panels of chute were soaking wet [ as if someone poured a bucket of water on them] it must have rained on course in the three right before my run. Pulled chute near area on qualifying run the day before and it was dry.

 Any how, need new front end [ needed replacement] hood-- rear bumper, [steel cables that come from inside of car that attach to chute bent and cracked the bumper] -- new tailights body work and new paint job [needed new paint anyhow] :-D
 Car looks like it has been in a Nascar race  :-o

 At least the motor's good :-P

            JL222



Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Geo on August 22, 2011, 08:06:31 AM
Congrats on the runs!  You have worked long and hard for it.  Keep us posted on the rebuild.

Geo


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 22, 2011, 08:53:01 AM
No video this year???

 :cheers:  :cheers:

Mike


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 22, 2011, 10:43:13 AM
Great to finally meet you guys, good to see you've got something to keep the sun out of your eyes, :cheers


Title: Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
Post by: jl222 on August