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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Build Diaries => Topic started by: panchop on May 28, 2007, 09:38:17 PM
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my starting point.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/panchop/MVC-176F.jpg)
built a turbo system.
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turns out all that is good from the engine is the crank, tranny and heads. the cases needed welding and the heads will be ported . i am ordering pistons from JE this week, my freind Sam Teranova from Turbo Tec USA is doing all the engine work. I have done some more on the body and frame.
I was not happy cutting up the brand new beasly ZX-11 body
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added seat material to the aluminum center section I put in the body and caulked in the seat pan.
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i added body mounts to the frame for the main body.
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I fited a ZX-12 front fender. not sure how to mount it. I had to modify the hell out of the sliders to get it to fit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/panchop/MVC-901F.jpg)
I haven't figured out the front fairing yet. i will need to fab some brackets to hold it in place.
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I had to cut away a bit of the fairing to clear the fork legs. I still need to fab up a set of handlebars. probably extend them forward as much as I can fit in the fairing.
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Wheels on in front of my crappy old free trailer.
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I need to make a belly pan , a chin fairing and all kinds of stuff still. Time is getting short.
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You've been real busy :-D. What kind of turbo. Is it going to be blow-thru on carbs or you using throttle bodies with fuel injection??
You'll make it way before me :-) ,
Sum
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it's a small Mitsubishi blowing threw 34mm Gixxer CV carbs
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stretched the frame 8 inches, reinforced that part of the frame while i was at it. checked for straightness and leveled the whole thing . lots of work, not a very inspiring picture. LOL
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stretched the frame 8 inches, reinforced that part of the frame while i was at it. checked for straightness and leveled the whole thing . lots of work, not a very inspiring picture. LOL
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/panchop/MVC-002F-1.jpg)
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panchop,
I thought that Garage looked familiar :-o!
Sam's AWESOME,and has built me some Cool V-rod Motor's 8-).
Now if I would keep them in 1 piece I'd be Cool :wink:!
Good Luck and see ya on the Salt :|?
Kaz................
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Tell Sam hello from Scott, the fat guy with the Buell. Sam is one sharp cookie! See if you can talk him into coming with you to the salt.
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My real question is did you keep the Husky tank????
Rex
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nope husky tank is in a bucket in the shed.
new rear of frame. longer, lower and stronger.
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shear plates and paint.
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body now mounts in six places.
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Hi Panchop,
Nice looking machine!
A couple of questions. Are the mag rims standard production items?
What tyre's (size, make and speed-rating) are you running?
What kind of fasteners are you using to mount the body?
Regards Whitworthsocket
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another INSPIRING effort..........
WAY TO GO..!!!
Joe :)
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Hi Panchop,
Nice looking machine!
A couple of questions. Are the mag rims standard production items?
What tyre's (size, make and speed-rating) are you running?
What kind of fasteners are you using to mount the body?
Regards Whitworthsocket
sorry for the delay.
mags are from a Suzuki GS 500 , tires I am using are used takeoff Z rated sports touring tires. front is a Michlean 120/70 17 rear is a Metzler 150/70 17 . i am using Moroso fasteners.
working on a belly pan., and front fairing lower.
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up and running. i miscalculated the gearing though. didn't figure in the primary ratio.
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Tell Sam hello from Scott, the fat guy with the Buell. Sam is one sharp cookie! See if you can talk him into coming with you to the salt.
I've Tried he's to smart for that :wink:!
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after two trips to the dyno, half of each day spent chasing electrical gremlins ( i pulled off the DYNA 2000 and switched back to an old DYNA S which solved my electrical issues ) i ended up making 205 hp / 115# tq. at about 9500 RPM. hopefully i can put that to the ground and make some decent passes. on the downside when everything went together all of a sudden my body didn't fit. I had to do some cutting and fiberglass work but at this point i don't have the time to make it pretty
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How much boost?
Love what you have done so far.
-JH
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about 12-15#s , we where having trouble controlling the amount of boost so we would cut the run at that point.
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Just a suggestion but you are having issues with your boost you might want to look into modding your turbo to get rid of the internal gate for an external. Internal gates will have issues with boost creep and a external will give you more control over boost.
I have 2 Garrett T3s that were originally gated to make around 7-8 psi that I had making more (12-15) and had a world of issues that I thought were related to the boost controller. Turns out the internal gate did not work well at higher boost.....an external gate fixed the problems.
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well i just got back in town. It was interesting to say the least. with disappointments, small victories and lessons learned. i got there Saturday midday and we set up a pit right away. for those of you there we where next door to the swiss performance group. any how we made a total of 5 passes the whole time we where there. 4 on the international course and one on the run what you brung course. the first run i made i blew one of the inter coolers off the bike and coasted threw the timed mile at an earth shattering 108 mph. Got to make another run the next day. my boost gauge climbed to 20 #s which surprised the hell out of me as I thought we had fixed that problem and set it up to make about 10#. I modulated the throttle and managed a 168.9 MPH threw the timed portion. We where pretty happy about that but didn't know what to do about the high boost i was generating. we had already turned to waste gate out all it could go. We then made a mistake. we switched to a 21 tooth tranny sprocket. went with a way higher octain fuel from ERC and increased the fuel pressure. i know you should change one thing at a time but with the limited track time we figured what the hell.next day after about 7 hours in line we trailer down to the 2 mile mark to start. while i am changing the starters are shouting at the crew to come on lets go. my guys roll out my bike and start it to warm it up for me. i run out , get on it and take of. disaster. It won't build boost and keeps falling on it face running in spurts. after a lousy 143 threw the traps i turn off the course and wait to be picked up. we sit in the pits trying to figure out what happened. i have the body off and the run what you brung course is empty so we try a run there. i get threw 4th gear rear tires spinning the whole way but the engine running right so what the hell. we decide to go back to what worked before and returned everything to the way it was.i think the guys started my bike and didn't start the fuel pump running. not there fault it's my job to make sure my bike is ready to run. lesson learned. for my last run i decide screw the boost, it's the last day if it blows up it blows up. i get a good start and am getting into the timed mile feeling good about the run. I was running at 20 #s of boost but everything was holding together. i shifted into 5th just as i was about to enter the timed mile. bike was feeling good when i lost traction big time. I rolled off the throttle and back on but to late. ended up with a 165+ timed mile. i was disappointed as i know i was going at a much better speed then I had on my 169 mph pass but i blew it. On the other hand the frame tracked straight and true. i would get a little wagging out back when i broke traction but nothing overwhelming. The engine had all the power it needed for right now. Guess I'll just have to wait till next year for that 200 mph. It was great fun and something i think all gear heads should do at least once. I have some more plans for the bike this year. some changes to make it go, of course faster. i looked around a lot to see what the fast guys where doing. hopefully i learned something useful.
greg
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well i just got back in town. It was interesting to say the least. with disappointments, small victories and lessons learned. i got there Saturday midday and we set up a pit right away. for those of you there we where next door to the swiss performance group. any how we made a total of 5 passes the whole time we where there. 4 on the international course and one on the run what you brung course. the first run i made i blew one of the inter coolers off the bike and coasted threw the timed mile at an earth shattering 108 mph. Got to make another run the next day. my boost gauge climbed to 20 #s which surprised the hell out of me as I thought we had fixed that problem and set it up to make about 10#. I modulated the throttle and managed a 168.9 MPH threw the timed portion. We where pretty happy about that but didn't know what to do about the high boost i was generating. we had already turned to waste gate out all it could go. We then made a mistake. we switched to a 21 tooth tranny sprocket. went with a way higher octain fuel from ERC and increased the fuel pressure. i know you should change one thing at a time but with the limited track time we figured what the hell.next day after about 7 hours in line we trailer down to the 2 mile mark to start. while i am changing the starters are shouting at the crew to come on lets go. my guys roll out my bike and start it to warm it up for me. i run out , get on it and take of. disaster. It won't build boost and keeps falling on it face running in spurts. after a lousy 143 threw the traps i turn off the course and wait to be picked up. we sit in the pits trying to figure out what happened. i have the body off and the run what you brung course is empty so we try a run there. i get threw 4th gear rear tires spinning the whole way but the engine running right so what the hell. we decide to go back to what worked before and returned everything to the way it was.i think the guys started my bike and didn't start the fuel pump running. not there fault it's my job to make sure my bike is ready to run. lesson learned. for my last run i decide screw the boost, it's the last day if it blows up it blows up. i get a good start and am getting into the timed mile feeling good about the run. I was running at 20 #s of boost but everything was holding together. i shifted into 5th just as i was about to enter the timed mile. bike was feeling good when i lost traction big time. I rolled off the throttle and back on but to late. ended up with a 165+ timed mile. i was disappointed as i know i was going at a much better speed then I had on my 169 mph pass but i blew it. On the other hand the frame tracked straight and true. i would get a little wagging out back when i broke traction but nothing overwhelming. The engine had all the power it needed for right now. Guess I'll just have to wait till next year for that 200 mph. It was great fun and something i think all gear heads should do at least once. I have some more plans for the bike this year. some changes to make it go, of course faster. i looked around a lot to see what the fast guys where doing. hopefully i learned something useful.
greg
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Greg,
It was Really Cool to meet you ,'Thank You for Bring down my new Motor :-D' I was really Surprised to see your Crew Chief Norris Bruce :evil:! I've been Trying to get Sam out here since I started,but I guess I don't PAY Enough :|? You got 'SALT' Fever now,and the only cure is comen back and going FASTER 8-)!
C-ya soon,
Kaz............
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Lurvly bit of pipe work on the turbo been in this game a while have you. 205 BHP have you reinforced engine internals at all or been balanced.
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basically a stock engine with a welded crank, better pistons and valve springs. It ran at bonniville making 20 #s of boost , that 205 BHP was at 15#. i have no idea what it made there. a compression check here at home though shows the number 3 cylinder took a hit. i haven't pulled it apart yet. i have to catch up on the honeydos first.
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Hopefully no major damage to the motor.Nice to hear that the motor will develop that kinda power without too much beefing up internally and better luck next time but its all experience gained.
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Run the setup that Norris ran 30 years ago and it will make more HP than the engine can sustain, and with way fewer parts. :wink:
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Ok modified the exhaust and added a turbotronics evolution wastegate also a bung for a wide-band O2 sensor. Now i have to figure how to make this PLX 500 Data logger sensor thing work. Picked up a lockup clutch and will modify my clutch cover for it.
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By the way the low number 3 cylinder numbers ended up mostly being a rusty valve seat. i did a lot of cleaning when i got home but didn't run the engine after it. easy fix.
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lock up...humm.. that should help....for a little while.... hey what ya gonna do when it beats the main bearings out of the crank case.?... got any plans for the trans out put shaft breakage or out put shaft bearing failure.?... all kinda problems when those vintage motors make over 170hp.... oh hey watch out for 2nd and 3rd gear... the teath come off like butter....
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hi panchop, my names ben & i'm from melbourne australia. i run a similar type bike to you & was wondering about that gs 500 rear wheel 17" x ?. also how did you find the traction at bonneville with that long wheelbase. my 77 z1000 has a 72" wheelbase & when i was at lake gairdner in 2006 i had traction problems. but the salt was wet. was thinking for 2008 to put 40kgs of lead in front of the back wheel to see if that helps. will try to post up some pics.
regards ben
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here he is our new member and very, very good friend of mine Ben James , and of course Christine his better half....
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here he is one morning at the lake when I'm absolutely positive I saw a rabbit break cover when he scratched his head...it's a briar patch full of ideas...
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and here's the bike with no distractions other than a shadow of the good Doctor
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if you ever meet Ben the correct way to address him is HEY BEN!....or of course Emu Ben!!!!
he's the genuine article.... :wink:
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lock up...humm.. that should help....for a little while.... hey what ya gonna do when it beats the main bearings out of the crank case.?... got any plans for the trans out put shaft breakage or out put shaft bearing failure.?... all kinda problems when those vintage motors make over 170hp.... oh hey watch out for 2nd and 3rd gear... the teath come off like butter....
actually i am planning on taking power out of it. Since i was spinning my wheels i got to figure i have to much HP for my currant traction /aeros setup.all about learning the game i guess. If i get to the point i can use more power i have some options available.
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Howdy ben, glad to see another old drag bike getting a second lease on life. The rear wheel is just a stock GS wheel and I'm not sure of the width. The rear tire is a 150 / 70 x17 that i ran at 50#s. I haven't the experience to comment to much on the traction at Bonniville. others called it wet and slippery so I'll have to rely on their assessment. My wheelbase is aprox 79 inches and i didn't add any weight. on the other hand i weigh 265# before i add the leather and gear. It would break lose if i shifted to hard but and it blew away traction in my timed mile. a bump or a wet patch i don't know hat caused it. for what it's worth i think that your setup carries it's weight farther forward then mine does. i really have the lump just about in the middle so that might be helping me. wish i could be of some help but obviously i just don't know enough yet.
Good Luck
Greg
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what kinda pressures are you running, I have been told and read that tyres are running 50-60-70 psi on the salt is there a sound basis for this as a softer tyre will get more traction to a point I dont mean run it flat but 35-40psi and it will have a better chance of getting a grip,Are the pressures so high for a reason keeping them on the rim coz they get too hot/distortion at speed what is the theory.
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:-D A trick I learned from thr bicycle guys was. The harder the tire the less rolling ressistance. As always you would have to adjust that to circumstances, dirt or salt. So, eventually you have to know your bike and what it likes compared to the conditions. Horsepower, frontal area and drag all play a part in your optimum performance. As a newbie, it's a crap shoot till you find what your bikelikes... but I dunno. just my 2c
Your mileage may vary!!!!!!! right Jack!
I remember back in the 70's we'd drag a set of Pirellies off thr roof of the shop cuz they had been sufficiantely hardeded. We'd usually leave them on te roof for about a month and they worked great, but times are changing. Also, back then my crew chief whould put 8 # of air in the tires, which is unheard of now. But, the tires hooked up and we did our job, with good finishes. And, I still have a number of those tires and they still work against the new Goodyears. So, I dunno, I just did what I was told. And had a lot of funnnnnnn.
This is longwinded but, I think you just have to find what works for you. But, I also don't think anyone here will let you run off the deep end without your floaties... Well, except maybe Kent..... :-D
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I know what you mean about times a changing we used to run around on rigid framed chops old gsxr motors good for 150s with 20-25psi in the back just to take out some of the bumps never had any bother with them but I wouldnt dream of doing that on salt
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50#s......yep you just keep doin that :-D
kent
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well i have added a zx 11 front end, and made some body modifications. I also changed over to an external wastegate. I will see how thhat works as i could not control the boost last year. I had much more planned but alas life got in the way this year. something i am sure you are all familiar with.
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I cut away most of the body as i couldn't get my legs in out off the breeze. i think it will work better. only one way to tell i guess.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/panchop/IMG_0104.jpg)
looking forward to seeing some of you in sept at BUBs. Hopefully i won't be thrashing the whole time this year and i will get a chance to meet a couple of people.
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well i have added a zx 11 front end, and made some body modifications. I also changed over to an external wastegate. I will see how thhat works as i could not control the boost last year. I had much more planned but alas life got in the way this year. something i am sure you are all familiar with.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/panchop/IMG_0103.jpg)
You painted the frame Green Greg?
J
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well it is a kawi john. ( OK cheap duplicolor mopar grabber green) I wanted a light color to show cracks but i didn't want to spend big money on powder coating. If i can hit a good number this year i plan on building a whole new frame . how have you been?
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Looks great Panhop!
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well it is a kawi john. ( OK cheap duplicolor mopar grabber green) I wanted a light color to show cracks but i didn't want to spend big money on powder coating. If i can hit a good number this year i plan on building a whole new frame . how have you been?
Greg,
Been good and just doing the same old stuff, see you in Bonne :mrgreen: