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Tech Information => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: bbb on February 14, 2007, 09:38:37 AM
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thanks to stainless I'm now a bit wiser. no more little tank required. what differentiates an M from an A now? (besides two extra vertical lines :-D ) I have a bike that can run either, but want to tech as A 1650 BG/F.
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Bike looks extended, if you are more than 10% over stock, you are altered.
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Add an engine
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Make the seat lower than the top of the rear tire
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Any other mod that takes it out of modified....
Just my opinion, not necessarily that of the staff and management of the motorcycle rules makers. Subject to change at any time, the rules, not my opinion!
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so its an "or" not a combination of the aforementioned?
I assued it was abit more challenging?
whats the point of A then? not much in-jin-ooooo-i-tee in that list.
I hear jack comin....
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Here are a couple of ways to have your bike be classed "altered" a/k/a "Special construction":
Foot pegs less than 6" from rear axle;
Wheelbase more than 110% of stock (bring manufacturer's specs with you to inspection);
Fuel tank capacity less than 5 liters (1.32 gallons);
Seat base or handlebar grips lower than top of rear tire with rider seated on the bike;
Two engines, center hub steering, engine displacement over 3000 cc.
Now, before you get picky -- some of these things are not as clear as it might sound at first read. Altered allows a fuel tank of any size -- but modified says no tank smaller than 5 liters. So if the tank size is the only thing that differs from modified -- then a smaller than 5 L tank will by default put you into altered.
The basic definition of special construction says: "Bikes in this class may have" (emphasis mine). That's not "must have", and it doesn't say "must have all of these characteristics". From that I'd guess that any one is enough.
Remember that you can't run one bike in both modified and altered during a competition season. Once you leave the line in whichever -- you're in it for the rest of the year.
Looks like a good choice of class -- nice soft records. Give 'em hell!
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Well it is better than running M with the fast guys at least.
Wait !
That doesnt sound right.
"The heat goes up as the heat goes on."
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hey, I am aerodynamically challenged. that technicality disallows my participation in the "fast guy" classes.
I thought I had to have more than one of that list to run A. only needing 1 works well, though I have more than 1.
thanks gents.
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That was the way the rules read 2 years ago, a 3 of 4 required. Since they changed modified rules, for what ever reason or reasons unknown, all you need now is don't qualify as a modified, by default, you are altered or as Jack would probably say you'll be in an "altered state"
You could move your tail section past the rear wheel or have it positioned more than 36 inches above the ground when mounted, that will do it also.
And they say the bike rules are complicated....
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That was the way the rules read 2 years ago, a 3 of 4 required. Since they changed modified rules, for what ever reason or reasons unknown, all you need now is don't qualify as a modified, by default, you are altered or as Jack would probably say you'll be in an "altered state"
And they say the bike rules are complicated....
Actually while the rules are excessively complicated, they are more confused.
"Seeing without understanding is like hearing without listening."
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Hey, Stainless, thanks for reminding me that I forgot all about the bodywork part of the rules -- that'd move one from modified into altered. I'm still earning my stripes -- gotta be more sure that I've reported all the rules before I click "send".
Yeah, Bryan, look at the bodywork rules for altered vs. modified. And while I know you're going to ride naked, but you can have the tailpiece on the bike and still be in Open class, so a tall tail section could put you into altered, too.
Probably something else as well, but I don't have the time right now -- gotta go move some more snow.
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tail section, check.
man, these rules almost make sense.
so when I finish my one off, what class will it run in? specially modified altercation?
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It sounds like you would fit into PT/S class.
(post traumatic stress)
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Did you miss the first paragraph?
Modified Production
This class includes all on road, on-off road, and off road only models and limited production models (less than 500).
Special Construction
The special construction class is intended for purpose built race bikes. This class includes factory produced road racing or any other racing "works" models.
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there inlies part of the previously mentioned Virginia Caper.
money sent
money spent
no book from which to read
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Did you miss the first paragraph?
Modified Production
This class includes all on road, on-off road, and off road only models and limited production models (less than 500).
Special Construction
The special construction class is intended for purpose built race bikes. This class includes factory produced road racing or any other racing "works" models.
The tard part of these newfound rules that are not so brilliant is if the fastest bikes all with records could be possibly identified and placed in the new classifications it would bounce about 100 records into the adminisphere.
None of that would cause any reduction in the hundreds of new classes that were recently invented so nobody had to actually compete and everybody could take home a record with a half fast speed.
REMARKABLE
Wanna buy a shirt ?
NOTE FOR BBB: The zip code determines the routing to the correct Post Office and the State is of no concern to the carrier, only the street address.
This is according to the Postal supervisor I called today.
No self respecting SCTA rule book would go to your awful area.
Have a Zoni friend send you something with your missed State abbreviation and see if you win a prize.
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Bryan, maybe you missed Dan (and other's) comments about the rulebook, so:
2006 rulebooks sold out last year. No more are available. I already gave away my spare copy -- and keep one copy each year for my "archives".
2007 rulebook is at the print shop now and should be ready in March 2007. If you've sent your money for an '07 book -- you ain't got it yet 'cause it ain't printed yet. Sorry to be the bearer of the news. Keep asking rule questions -- one of us can probably give you some guidance until the new book arrives.
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Did you miss the first paragraph?
Modified Production
This class includes all on road, on-off road, and off road only models and limited production models (less than 500).
Special Construction
The special construction class is intended for purpose built race bikes. This class includes factory produced road racing or any other racing "works" models.
In the displacement I'm looking at, the A record is 18 mph slower than the production record. If I put a rearset (less than 6" from rear axle) and a set of clubman bars on an otherwise stock bike, am I legal as special construction or not?
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so me and my garage special project will be in a class with lowered turboed R1s with stretched arms. LOL well that will be interesting.. :lol:
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Let's not forget the silly "engine case" rule that bumps you into altered from modified if you run S&S(or any aftermarket cases)--
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Let's not forget the silly "engine case" rule that bumps you into altered from modified if you run S&S(or any aftermarket cases)--
Unless you have a Big Dog chopper or a number of other HD clone street bikes with S+S motors then you can run in production, modified, or throw the paperwork away and run A.
With the gas, fuel, blower, and fairings options you can play dodge the competition for a long time.
I think they would make a good rental.
The maximum speed governor would guarantee the longevity of the class and you could keep the fleet fresh with the sale of the value added used record holders.
We could package it with a "Modern Hero" photo package that featured a tech tard with his hand in your pocket.
We could call it "RENT A SLED".
How can it get any better ?
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The awful truth is this is awful truth! Somebody should be embarrassed. I am.
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Bryan, maybe you missed Dan (and other's) comments about the rulebook, so:
2006 rulebooks sold out last year. No more are available. I already gave away my spare copy -- and keep one copy each year for my "archives".
I'm aware. I sent my money for membership (brand new never registered memebr) last January, check was cashed in february and I never received a thing. nothing. nada. no new guy stuff, no rule book. it was discussed spring last year.
moving on from that, i'm waiting to send in my membership stuff until April to see if the number I want becomes available. i've had that email discussion with the gentleman who oversees that process.
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Chuck K. is a true gentlemen and you can count on his word.
There are still a few of them around.