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Title: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: velocity on March 14, 2019, 03:13:41 PM
Salt Lake City, UT—Pop the champagne!  Rattle your salt shaker!  It’s time to celebrate!  The Utah State Legislature approved a $5 million appropriation to restore the Bonneville Salt Flats as part of the state budget.

In the past few weeks, Utah legislators received upwards of 1,000 emails from the motorsports community which helped focus much needed attention on the critical funding request.  The money will help support a program to restore the iconic land formation in northwestern Utah.

“This marks the first public dollars appropriated to restore the depleted salt surface since the land speed racing community began its quest more than 30 year ago,” said Save the Salt Foundation Vice Chairman Tom Burkland.  “This is a job well done.  Land speed racers the world over say, ‘Thank You Utah!’”

To read the full report, go to: www.savethesalt.org

Note the photo shows the Turbinator breaking through the salt crust and spewing mud as it rips across the middle of the international raceway
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: handyguy on March 14, 2019, 03:23:41 PM
     AWESOME      THANKS TO ALL WHO HELPED !!!!
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: Happy Pappy on March 14, 2019, 06:26:15 PM
5 mil... Gotta wonder were and how far that will go... Still pretty cool that's it's going in the right direction.
Makes it worth all the unsolicited email I get every morning from my new found government friends  :|

Chris

Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: comet on March 15, 2019, 04:21:35 AM
This is fantastic news to read. Well done to everyone who played a part in getting the salt in front of the politicians faces. $5 million is a heck of a lot better than where we have been up until now.
Well done all.

John
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: fordboy628 on March 15, 2019, 05:48:16 AM
Well Done! !

Let's all hope that this is the "turning point", and that legislators will remain convinced that "Saving the Salt" is a worthwhile expenditure of public funds.

Be thankful, but keep the focus on these and other legislators to perform as the voters decide, not in service to "industry" . . . . . . .

 :cheers:
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: sabat on March 15, 2019, 09:22:14 AM
5 mil... Gotta wonder were and how far that will go... Still pretty cool that's it's going in the right direction.
Makes it worth all the unsolicited email I get every morning from my new found government friends  :|

Chris




I think the idea was that this 5mil from the state would be "matched" with 45mil from the feds. LL, Is that right?
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: floydjer on March 15, 2019, 10:22:39 AM
Bravo :cheers:
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: Bookfla on March 15, 2019, 11:09:53 AM
I think the idea was that this 5mil from the state would be "matched" with 45mil from the feds. LL, Is that right?
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I had the same question in mind. Does this mean the $5MM will not be released until a $45MM commitment has been met and funded? I'm sure this is contingent on a timeline for budgetary purposes.
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: panic on March 17, 2019, 10:42:02 AM
Exactly who gets the money?
And the requirements as to how it's spent?
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 17, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
The question of how to restore the salt has never been agreed on so while this is a $ commitment from Government, how will it be used & how effective will that be???????
The salt condition last year was the result of "the perfect storm" conditions, not to be misconstrued with the salt is coming back theory. The pumping back in program is also still connected to the flowing & pumping BACK OUT, remember the big a$$ pump & canal down at the east end?
If that money goes to the pumping program as I expect it will, then what's the net result when the $hit is still flowing back out to the mining company?
I'm an optimist but my logic switch is in the on position.
  Sid.
 
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: Podunk on March 17, 2019, 07:43:40 PM
Maybe the $5 mil is for another study.
Terry
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: velocity on March 18, 2019, 01:39:19 AM
Rather than wild speculation, it is respectfully requested interested parties spend time reading the volumes of information on www.savethesalt.org. where much has been gathered and posted for your eyes and information.

This is the FIRST public money in 30 years of asking that is devoted SOLELY to restore the salt crust. Period.

A restoration and engineering outline has been developed by a consortium of veteran land speed racers, the mining company and the various government agencies. 

The Utah money will ONLY be used for restoration operations, not studies, and does not have a sunset provision. Further, NOTHING will be done until the Feds appropriate the additional 45 Million to fund the estimated costs for the expected 10-year restoration period. The Utah legislators were VERY SMART in how they wrote the appropriation language. Metaphorically think: "We've done our part, we've put our money where our mouth is, so now we'd like to see you do your part Congress. . . "

And so we go to Washington D.C.

We will need more letters. So when we ask, have your thoughts formed, we will ned another avalanche of support. Letters were a primary component of what got the business done in UTAH. Believe it.

Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: SPARKY on March 18, 2019, 12:30:21 PM
We will need to start a Save the Salt AMBASADORS/ADVOCATES GROUP  with representatives in every state especially in states that members of Congress that are on the various committees that have interests in the BLM and Salt Flats
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: Dakin Engineering on March 18, 2019, 10:35:49 PM
How about paying Intrepid a dollar more a load to dump those double trailers east of the access road instead of driving it into Nevada?

Sam
#6062
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 19, 2019, 12:35:33 PM
How about paying Intrepid a dollar more a load to dump those double trailers east of the access road instead of driving it into Nevada?

Sam
#6062
Come on Sam, that'd be way too logical.
  Sid.
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: velocity on March 21, 2019, 03:31:11 AM
The idea of using trucks to bring back the salt is an easy idea to grasp, but thoroughly ineffective and inefficient from an engineering perspective in terms of time, money, and labor. Every scenario advanced was considered and found to be lacking merit, and/or feasibility. Getting the salt is not the problem, conveyance is, and the best methodology to return it is to use the same process that extracted it. Period.   

Of course, anyone wishing to buy a bag and dump on the playa is welcome to feel better about helping to restore the flats, just as long they also understand it will be inconsequential.

Building salt crust thickness requires 4 very specific steps annually: precipitation, evaporation, percolation and desiccation. Each working in harmony with the other three.

Metaphorically, it is like intake, compression, ignition and exhaust. 
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: stay`tee on March 21, 2019, 03:59:21 AM
The idea of using trucks to bring back the salt is an easy idea to grasp, but thoroughly ineffective and inefficient from an engineering perspective in terms of time, money, and labor. Every scenario advanced was considered and found to be lacking merit, and/or feasibility. Getting the salt is not the problem, conveyance is, and the best methodology to return it is to use the same process that extracted it. Period.   

Of course, anyone wishing to buy a bag and dump on the playa is welcome to feel better about helping to restore the flats, just as long they also understand it will be inconsequential.

Building salt crust thickness requires 4 very specific steps annually: precipitation, evaporation, percolation and desiccation. Each working in harmony with the other three.

Metaphorically, it is like intake, compression, ignition and exhaust. 


 :cheers: :-) 8-)
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: Stainless1 on March 21, 2019, 09:11:06 AM
Yep they have been  strip mining the salt flats for 70 years, it will not get fixed in a couple of years... unfortunately they will continue to strip mine under the guise of returning salt by flooding with low percentage brine that effectively  washes more salt down the drain to be taken back across the road.  When they can no longer get enough potassium chloride income supplemented by the sale of salt with trace amounts of potassium chloride they will walk away.  It is a Limited Liability Corporation, they have very little to lose... I'm sure by now they have already completely depreciated all their equipment and buildings many times over by changing owners.
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on March 21, 2019, 03:50:17 PM
Metaphorically, it is like intake, compression, ignition and exhaust.
With the open drain in the tub there is no compression and the engine won't run - metaphorically!  :-P
[Same goes for suck, squeeze, bang, blow! No squeeze - no wheeze!  :x]
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: Dakin Engineering on March 21, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
There is nothing new in the STS documents.
All I can see is the burden of cleaning up the mess is being foisted on all taxpayers and Intrepid & BLM get a free ride.

Sam
#6062
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: Stan Back on March 21, 2019, 05:39:08 PM
I edited your comment a bit . . .

"and Intrepid & BLM get (an ongoing) free ride."
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: jl222 on March 21, 2019, 06:59:10 PM

 Does anyone know what Intrepid claims the pumping cost is per year?

   JL222
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: jl222 on March 23, 2019, 03:21:55 PM

 Does anyone know what Intrepid claims the pumping cost is per year?

   JL222

  I can't find the info that used to be at Save The Salt such as how much salt? or brine :roll: was pumped each year.
  If we knew that info, some of the math wizzis here could figure out how much the electrical cost would be.
  The size and hp of the pumps would help.
  I know there are other cost involved such as maintenance ect, but hard to find out what is involved.

   What is the taxed value of Intrepid Potash mining at Wendover?  50 million?

             JL222

 

 
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: Stan Back on March 23, 2019, 04:30:19 PM
I saw (on the internet?) they were getting paid to lower the altitude of the flats – 'cuz more rain falls on higher elevations (or something like that).
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 24, 2019, 07:08:06 PM
They've been lowering the altitude of the Bonneville Salt Flats for years, now they're getting payed for it??
  Sid.
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: Stan Back on March 24, 2019, 07:30:10 PM
They get paid for the salt they're taking off.
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: **RP** on June 23, 2019, 10:10:32 AM
From a SEMA News email I got a few days ago...????.

Utah lawmakers have appropriated $5 million toward a program to restore the Bonneville Salt Flats, contingent upon securing federal funds. The money and funds will be used to create a 10-year, $50-million program to dramatically increase the amount of salt pumped onto Bonneville. The bulk of the monies will come from the federal government, with contributions as well from the motorsports community. Beginning in the ?60s, the salt crust diminished due to historic and current potash mining activities under existing leases from the Bureau of Land Management. The mine owner has been pumping salt since 1997, but planned infrastructure upgrades will increase the volume. As a result, the racing venue should gradually expand from its current 8-mi. length, with a goal of reaching the original 13-mi. length.

Sounds like still waiting on Federal taxpayer dollars.
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: jl222 on June 23, 2019, 11:56:41 AM
   Looks like Utah's money is safe. not likely for $50,000,000
coming from the Fed.

 To bad Utah didn't fund it directly  5,ooo,ooo for 12 months  $416,666 per month, 5 yrs $83,333 per month, 10 yrs $41,666 per month.

 Anybody no the cost of pumping?

               JL222
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 23, 2019, 02:03:44 PM
If some of that money doesn't buy a "PERMANENT DRAIN PLUG" anything pumped will go right back to the mining operation. :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse:
  Sid.
Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: SPARKY on June 26, 2019, 07:18:40 AM
 Sid
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Title: Re: UTAH VOTES $5 MILLION TO RESTORE BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS
Post by: jl222 on June 26, 2019, 11:28:50 AM
  Anybody know the cost of pumping salt solution?

  Anybody know the profits of Wendover Intrepid for the 2018 year?

    JL222