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Title: Rulebook
Post by: Jack Gifford on December 15, 2017, 12:15:38 AM
Does ECTA publish a rulebook, or are rules all based on SCTA?


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: RidgeRunner on December 15, 2017, 07:21:06 AM
Jack,

     They have in the past.  Some what of a reorganization is currently underway with the latest changes in venue and leadership.  Indications are that more specific info on the coming season will be coming our way sometime after Jan 1st.

     ECTA and LTA rules and classes are very similar to, but not exactly the same as, SCTA.  There are many subtle differences between all 3, it helps to have all 3 in hand for prep and participating.

           Ed


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Jack Gifford on December 16, 2017, 12:02:26 AM
Thanks Ed. Anybody no longer using an out-dated ECTA rulebook they want to donate (or sell?) to me? Same question for LTA?


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: olepaw on December 16, 2017, 07:44:22 PM
Hi I have a couple old ECTA rule books for free. contact me at my e-mail. Jim


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: LittleLiner on December 16, 2017, 10:54:17 PM
The 2016 version of the LTA rule book is online - http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/3bd111_e855c8b54e6f471fa9bbc5a5ebcdca37.pdf

What class or classes are you planning to run?   Maybe someone can offer some help on a particular class - rule wise - for ECTA and/or LTA.



Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Jack Gifford on December 17, 2017, 01:42:40 AM
Thanks for the replies.
Jim- sent you an email.
Littleliner- I've started reading the online LTA rules. But I'll still be looking for a printed copy, which is easier for me to compare with the SCTA book.
I'll run F/BFL, if anyone wants to point out differences from SCTA rules (in ECTA and LTA) for that class.


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Stainless1 on December 17, 2017, 12:22:23 PM
Ctrl P will get you print.... if you have a printer  :cheers:


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Jack Gifford on December 17, 2017, 11:40:57 PM
Both ECTA and LTA rulebooks on their way to me.

Thanks guys!!!


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: LSR Mike on January 03, 2018, 01:37:57 PM
IMHO if you build and equip to the SCTA Book, you will be fine at any venue. with that said, you will be way overbuilt for some.


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Jack Gifford on January 04, 2018, 12:34:26 AM
Yeah, I realize they are all based on the SCTA rules. While I've got time (very wintry here!) I want to look for any rules differences- hoping to avoid surprises.


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Kool Performance on February 07, 2018, 04:37:36 PM
You will need 4 wheel brakes.


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Jack Gifford on February 08, 2018, 12:59:07 AM
Thanks for pointing out the 4-wheel brakes. I'll have to forget about deleting the front brakes in favor of inboard wheel discs.


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: ronnieroadster on February 08, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
The four wheel brake rule eliminates a number of vehicles that run at Bonneville. My car as an example uses top fuel front tires theres no way a brake on those tires will accomplish anything its actually going to make it dangerous. Theres lots of LSR roadster that also have only rear brakes. For my car Dual chutes should be an option. Would like to run at the new location but looks like thats not going to be possible with the way the rule is written oh well.     :-(


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 08, 2018, 05:49:06 PM
The four wheel brake rule eliminates a number of vehicles that run at Bonneville. My car as an example uses top fuel front tires theres no way a brake on those tires will accomplish anything its actually going to make it dangerous. Theres lots of LSR roadster that also have only rear brakes. For my car Dual chutes should be an option. Would like to run at the new location but looks like thats not going to be possible with the way the rule is written oh well.     :-(

I don't think anybody says they have to be great brakes.

I modified the spindles on the front of the Midget, but I'm thinking that if I want to run in Arkansas, I might be able to adapt rotors and calipers  off of a small motorcycle.  Or maybe even drums off of an old Mini Cooper.


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: ronnieroadster on February 08, 2018, 09:52:11 PM
MM that gives me an idea maybe I can adapt a set of brakes off a 10 speed bike danger averted.   :cheers:


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Captthundarr on February 08, 2018, 11:04:52 PM
 2015 Rule 3.w Brakes: " Adequate brakes are required in all classes. No Front wheel brakes only systems are allowed. Brake controls shall be within the driver's reach while the driver is securely strapped in the seat."

Just saying. If Steve says 4 wheel well then they have to be adequate...


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Jack Gifford on February 09, 2018, 02:47:34 AM
Hmm... the rule itself doesn't appear to require 4-wheel brakes... :?

Who is "Steve"? Steve Strupp?


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Stan Back on February 09, 2018, 12:37:51 PM
. . . and how do they judge what's adequate?


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Captthundarr on February 09, 2018, 05:31:36 PM
One would guess that since the rule writers life is not on the line, the builder / driver would know whats "adequate".


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: ronnieroadster on February 09, 2018, 05:55:34 PM
One would guess that since the rule writers life is not on the line, the builder / driver would know whats "adequate".




  My point exactly whats adequate is a safe car thats not made unsafe by rules that can not be applied with any sense of safety. Could it be the rule is being used to cover a possible unsafe condition that being not adequate stopping distance?


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Kool Performance on February 09, 2018, 09:59:33 PM
This is Steve
My wife and I are the owners of ECTA

To clarify the adequate term is in the old rule book. Our 2018 rules are being finalized and edited as we speak. They will be published very soon. They will be made available online.
All cars will require 4 wheel brakes and it must be a split system. Meaning if brakes fail on 1 wheel, you will still have brakes on the other axle. There were several factors involved in making this decision. I understand there will be many opinions on this rule. But after reviewing all the factors, this is the decision that had to be made.

Just a little back ground. I am in the 200 club at Bonneville, El Mirage and The Ohio Mile. As a crew chief I have Prepared the car that has put Jack Rogers in 11 200 MPH clubs, in the 757 Camaro.


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: ronnieroadster on February 09, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
This is Steve
My wife and I are the owners of ECTA

To clarify the adequate term is in the old rule book. Our 2018 rules are being finalized and edited as we speak. They will be published very soon. They will be made available online.
All cars will require 4 wheel brakes and it must be a split system. Meaning if brakes fail on 1 wheel, you will still have brakes on the other axle. There were several factors involved in making this decision. I understand there will be many opinions on this rule. But after reviewing all the factors, this is the decision that had to be made.

Just a little back ground. I am in the 200 club at Bonneville, El Mirage and The Ohio Mile. As a crew chief I have Prepared the car that has put Jack Rogers in 11 200 MPH clubs, in the 757 Camaro.


  Well Steve you have eliminated my vehicle as an example from ever being able to run at any further ECTA events. Oh well it was fun while it lasted.


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: Stainless1 on February 09, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Come on Ronnie... a couple of 2x4s with a rope pull to rub the fronts and you're racing  :roll: 
Maybe Steve can do exceptions for cars with a proven history of the ability to stop before the pavement runs out... Speed limits for cars without a history to demonstrate ability....
Remember the "back door" on a runway may have hard stuff sitting in the grass
 :cheers:


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: ronnieroadster on February 10, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Come on Ronnie... a couple of 2x4s with a rope pull to rub the fronts and you're racing  :roll: 
Maybe Steve can do exceptions for cars with a proven history of the ability to stop before the pavement runs out... Speed limits for cars without a history to demonstrate ability....
Remember the "back door" on a runway may have hard stuff sitting in the grass
 :cheers:

 Stainless  Sounds like a very good idea for the cars with proven history but some how I feel thats not going to happen.  You know how tight things get in our special construction vehicles and such so trying to add anything to pass this rule is out of the question for my car. We already know the wood idea wont fly but this reminds me my very first car was a 1948 Ford woody and I must admit it had no brakes at all. Good memory's for sure. See you in Wendover.      :cheers:
 


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on February 11, 2018, 09:13:54 AM
Ronnie, don't let a brake rule change slow you down - pun intended!  :x :-D
There will be some major brain stormers in AK in April - come on down and visit - besides we can't wait until August to see ya!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Rulebook
Post by: ronnieroadster on February 11, 2018, 06:01:02 PM
Ronnie, don't let a brake rule change slow you down - pun intended!  :x :-D
There will be some major brain stormers in AK in April - come on down and visit - besides we can't wait until August to see ya!  :cheers:



  Brain stormers in April heck that leaves me out! Originally was thinking about heading to the event but now have other plans that wont slow me down or cause me a lot of extra unnecessary work and more expense.   :-D