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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: nrhs sales on November 02, 2017, 03:20:03 PM
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I was always under the impression that records set at Speedweek, WOS or Finals are considred world records but I am being told they are not over in the BMST section of this forum. He says only FIM/FIA records are world records. Who is correct?
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SCTA/BNI Bonneville records are just that - BNI sanctioned Bonneville records.
FIM/FIA records are considered "World Records".
I often hear friends misspeak about my record, calling it a "world record".
I correct them in this way -
"No, it's not a world record, it's a Bonneville record. You can get a world record anywhere in the world - but you can only get a Bonneville record at Bonneville". :wink:
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All my record certificates say "World Land Speed Record" right under my entry and that's good enough for me. If yours say the same thing (I know they do since I wrote them for 10 years) and you don't like it, either draw a line thru it or throw it away for all I care. But for me its a World Record.......JD
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That is a very good question NRHS and there is no "correct" answer because it is so subjective. SCTA is regional because so far they have only done sanctioned races in the Western USA (El Mirage, Bonneville, Black Rock, Mojave). To be a "World" record would mean the event could be held anywhere in the world, like Bolivia or Russia and be sanctioned by a world-recognized authority such as the FIM.
Likewise AMA (BMST) is a nationally sanctioned event (American), so it is not "World" either. It is a USA based event. I think AMA trumps SCTA because it is a national organization while SCTA is regional.
BUT - People come from all over the WORLD to compete in both events so both are recognized around the world.
Don
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I guess my further thought is this.
When someone says "World Record", the first thing that comes to mind is a book put out annually by an Irish brewing concern. And don't get me wrong, I love me a quality Dublin Stout, and the book is often a good read.
But when one says "Bonneville Record", the nature and pedigree are less muddled to the unwashed, despite the fact that numerous sanctioning bodies have certified records at Bonneville.
Only after a few of the aforementioned stouts have I tried to explain the nuances, at which point people typically glaze over and say "Nyaaaah, it's a world record", and move on to a different topic.
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SCTA Bonneville records say "World Land Speed Record".
El Mirage records say "SCTA 1.3 Mile Dry Lake Record".
"It's a small world after all . . ."
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The SCTA is an association of clubs, all of which are in Southern California. I can find no instance of them claiming world record status for their records. Show me where I'm wrong.
Thank you Stan and Jimmy six.
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thanks for clearing that up guys. I was relatively sure that SCTA records were considered world records but just wanted to be 100% correct. When you get over 50 ya know the mind starts going to hell! :-P
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thanks for clearing that up guys. I was relatively sure that SCTA records were considered world records but just wanted to be 100% correct. When you get over 50 ya know the mind starts going to hell! :-P
Well, from the fact that SCTA calls them world records it does not follow that they are, or should be considered, world records. As donpearsall pointed out, there is no "correct" answer because it is so subjective.
In particular, were someone to set an SCTA record in a class for there is a comparable international class, and the international class record is faster, one might well question whether that is a legitimate world record, regardless of what it says on the certificate.
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We've always considered SCTA-BNI & USFRA records as Bonneville records, we ran under FIA when we set World records & that's what Mike Cook does now.
Sid.
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We've always considered SCTA-BNI & USFRA records as Bonneville records, we ran under FIA when we set World records & that's what Mike Cook does now.
Sid.
Same here and a 'Bonneville Record' is something to be damn proud of and cherish,
Sumner
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We've always considered SCTA-BNI & USFRA records as Bonneville records, we ran under FIA when we set World records & that's what Mike Cook does now.
Sid.
Same here and a 'Bonneville Record' is something to be Dodge proud of and cherish,
Sumner
No $hit! That's why people come from all over the world to run on hallowed ground.
Sid.
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Well boys if it is the fastest anyone has gone in a vehicle class.... I don't care where it was timed over a mile distance at a sanctioned event, that would make it a "World Record"
So if my world record is faster than your world record....
I know who has the world record :cheers:
and who has a national or regional record :dhorse:
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Go to the FIM or the FIA Worlds Record listings, and you can see/read the progression of legitment World Records (from different parts of the world) since the formation of these World Motorsport orginisations,, Orginisations which were around long before any of our LandSpeed Clubs,,
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An old thread but still a valid topic.
We were at the Bar last night when this very subject came up.
The uninformed in the group thought that setting a land speed record meant getting your name in the Guiness book of world records.
FIM, FIA, SCTA, AMA (and whatever other sanctioning bodies there may be) each have their own records.
I don't know for sure, but to me, logic would dictate that:
FIM/FIA being "International" records would truly be World records.
AMA records are "National" records.
and the others (SCTA, ECTA, etc..) are "Club" records. Call them regional records if you want.
Friends keep mistaking my AMA record by calling it a "world" record, and I have to correct them.
It's kinda like Boxing or Wrestling where each sanctioning organization has their own champions.
The waters become so muddied that being a champion becomes diluted.
Ultimately, I would have to go with the FIM/FIA records as the "undisputed champs",
but what do I know ....
it could very well be the Folks listed in Guiness's book.
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Well boys if it is the fastest anyone has gone in a vehicle class.... I don't care where it was timed over a mile distance at a sanctioned event, that would make it a "World Record"
So if my world record is faster than your world record....
I know who has the world record :cheers:
and who has a national or regional record :dhorse:
My feelings on this subject again... oh, I guess that's why I quoted myself. If you have a pair of timing slips in my class that are faster than mine then you have the world record. If not, I have it...
Or to put it so all can understand.... if my record is faster than yours in the same class then I'm faster than you and have the world record... until some else goes faster.
Fastest is still fastest :clap :cheers:
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Its actually pretty simple I'm the fastest in the world {add class} until someone else is. :laugh:
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Guinness....a book for settling arguments on trivia between drunks. Hardly an authority.
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well...you can see it from different views....saying...the fastest is the fastest...this is one view...
let us look back to the beginning....
when the first world record was set in 1898....it was a small automobil club in Paris who tooks care....as the first record attempt was a little bit outside of Paris....so they also took care for the next couple of months....and when the next real attempt was on....a couple years later....they took again care as no one other was at the place....
so this small club became what we know today as FIA....the FIM needs a little bit longer to take care.....and both changed their names over the years before they became the today name....
especially in the beginning the "FIA" act sometimes very strange and to today the historians having no idea why....but the certification or not of a record attempt....it was more a lottery the driver has to play....
viewing now the role of the FIA and FIM in the today speed record world....what they really doing....?
the organisations like SCTA/(BNI)/USFRA......their rules, for myself, I see them as the American rules....especially here the safety requirements and the categories....and in fact....also the Australian meets using them....so it is actually a international rule.....as finally, since a couple years, the international copied this rules and using it for safety and inspections of the racers....
that the FIA and FIM runs the record attempts under a different rule.....well....it is impossible to use their rules on meets like the Speedweek.....so, the solution we run the records at the yearly salt meets isn't bad and it works for us....
and comparing the attempt rules....you can't do it....both have advantages and disadvantages.....when you run FIA....one hour return is maybe tough....but in the other hand you can check for a perfect weather window....you run, like at the Speedweek....well....you have to run under the weather and salt condition you got on the next morning....
this is one point to view
the other is the classes....
the FIA got no roadster or lakester classes........they got special constructions....this is normally that what be called....streamliner.......and they got production cars.....and some special sport categories which run under the flag of FIA.....
streamliners.....as the FIA records are very often from stone age.....a lot of records are a lot slower as the records in the SCTA/USFRA record book....
so.....here we are....if you run a roadster or lakester it is simple so that the FIA can't offer a matching category.....
who is now the world fastest......
the answer can be only.......the one who is the fastest in the class he run....doesn't matter under which organisation....especially as the organisation who means they have the rights to rule and says ours are the world or international records.....didn't offer the chance to run for all this class records.....
so, finally, what really counts, is....
that we all go over a flying kilo or mile...with a two way average....
and the one who does the best job is best......important is that the competitor in the class/category is matching to the rule and can be compared.....apple against apple....
wish you all a safe season
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so, finally, what really counts, is....
that we all go over a flying kilo or mile...with a two way average....
But in SCTA we have a two run average, not a two way average....
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so, finally, what really counts, is....
that we all go over a flying kilo or mile...with a two way average....
But in SCTA we have a two run average, not a two way average....
it is impossible to use their rules on meets like the Speedweek.....so, the solution we run the records at the yearly salt meets isn't bad and it works for us....
and there are no words about.....two runs in opposite ways (direction).......in my note.......
two run and two way is the same....it only depends what English you use......American, English, Australian.....two cents for that :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse:
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...and as it looks that my note is tough to understand....
here the short summary...
NO SINGLE Organisation has the rights to say...."that only we have the rights to certified World Records...and all other not..."
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two run and two way is the same....it only depends what English you use......American, English, Australian.....two cents for that :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse:
I defer to your superior knowledge of Englishes.
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What muddies the waters are these tarmac events originaly refered to as "Sprints", thay have now tagged the term "Landspeed",,
Little Johnny fronts, makes a one way pass, timed thru a short (32', 66', ?) trap and is hailed as a World "Landspeed" Record holder :roll:
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...and as it looks that my note is tough to understand....
here the short summary...
NO SINGLE Organisation has the rights to say...."that only we have the rights to certified World Records...and all other not..."
I thought you were quite clear and think you summed it up nicely.
Don
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Well said Pork Pie...
You have the World Land Speed Record for 1 Liter Normally Aspirated Gas Lakesters.
You will continue to own that until someone goes faster... and someone will :cheers:
Records are never forever... technology will guarantee they will be overcome sooner or later :cheers:
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The more I research, the more I find:
different organizations, different rules = different results.
It all seems pretty arbitrary to me.
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a record is only borrowed
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Some of the record keeping organizations seem a bit more organized than others. :deal
Don
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What muddies the waters are these tarmac events originaly refered to as "Sprints", thay have now tagged the term "Landspeed",,
In Britain, where we only have beaches and a few long airfields, World land speed records have been achieved under FIM and FIA governance for many decades on both surfaces. The flying start kilometre and flying start mile distances being timed, along with other shorter national timed distances.
The name of Elvington Airfield appears against many records up to this day. Once there were outright world speed records too, but that changed when Daytona beach and then Bonneville could be reached in the late nineteen twenties. (If you had money to ship cars and other vehicles that far).
In May 2023 there will be World two run average (2RAT) speed records established in Britain at an event organised by UK & International Timing Adjudication, with participants from numerous countries.
By the way to many of us a 'sprint' is the name for a standing start straightline or twisty course, timed from start to finish. The course may be up to 1 mile in length. The competitors time allows positions in class to be determined. [There is no calculation of speed].
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What muddies the waters are these tarmac events originaly refered to as "Sprints", thay have now tagged the term "Landspeed",,
In Britain, where we only have beaches and a few long airfields, World land speed records have been achieved under FIM and FIA governance for many decades on both surfaces. The flying start kilometre and flying start mile distances being timed, along with other shorter national timed distances.
The name of Elvington Airfield appears against many records up to this day. Once there were outright world speed records too, but that changed when Daytona beach and then Bonneville could be reached in the late nineteen twenties. (If you had money to ship cars and other vehicles that far).
In May 2023 there will be World two run average (2RAT) speed records established in Britain at an event organised by UK & International Timing Adjudication, with participants from numerous countries.
By the way to many of us a 'sprint' is the name for a standing start straightline or twisty course, timed from start to finish. The course may be up to 1 mile in length. The competitors time allows positions in class to be determined. [There is no calculation of speed].
Agree, but please take my comment in its "full" context, where I specifically refer to a ""one way pass thru a "short" speed trap"" :-)
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This is one of those conversations that I think EVERYONE who runs at Bonneville truly questions. If you're talking about "overall" speed records, runways and dirt aren't going to cut it! There's only a few places where it can be done and the US has one of them! The SCTA has good "clocks" so to me if it's a record there, it's definitely a WORLD record! The FIA guys pat themselves on the back thinking they are it, even if FIA records aren't normally close to SCTA records. Team Honda came over here a few years ago to go after one of Rick's streamliner records and ran 261 on a 269 mph SCTA record. Being they ran an FIA sanctioned event, it's considered a "world record" even if it missed the mark by 8 mph! No offense to the French, but I see no reason to give them a pile of money to be SECOND fastest in the world...
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Would you feel the same way if it was the other way round? Suppose someone in another country (say Australia, to identify one realistic possibility), also with good clocks, recorded 270 mph. Would that be "definitely a WORLD record"?
And not sure why you think you might (not) be offending the French. The FIA is an international organisation that includes USA membership (ACCUS). Last time I looked the President of the Land Speed Records Commission was an American. He probably won't take offense.
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Good morning! My little French snarkiness was based on the fact that the FIA was put together by them (nothing says fast like Peugeot or Citroen!) so it's their play area. Fastest IS fastest regardless of the organization who claims hold on it. If 270 is the fastest in the world, then why shouldn't it be considered "fastest on the planet?" I'm not building my car to go after the fastest "record" for just the SCTA, I want it to be the fastest in it's class on the planet, period! Anyone who's a racer should have that exact same goal no matter your geological location, you should know who the person to beat is and go after their record accordingly...
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LandSpeed Racing has evolved... and I'm sure will continue to do so... When I first started Bonneville seemed to have unlimited salt... when it rained you might take a day delay. The salt would just absorb the water toward the mud and dry on top. At SpeedWeek we would have 9-11 miles of track. You qualified and the next day you ran down gathered off the end of the course and after everyone ran, you ran back. Record runs could run till noon or after. Then the course started getting shorter... and running toward the highway became dangerous... then Nolan died, and things had to change. There weren't 150 entries any more, there were 300... and now 500+...
So sure, the FIA and FIM have their set of records, and they can be set anywhere in the world on any available surface. The SCTA and USFRA have another set of records... they can only be set at Bonneville... and folks from all over the world come to challenge those records. The DLRA has another set of records.... and so on and so on all the was down to 1/8 mile drag racing.
Most of the LSR organizations have similar classes and rules... the fastest time over measured miles. So if the shoe is on the other foot... the fastest is still the fastest. There are cars and bikes that hold records with multiple organizations... they don't say my FIM/FIA record is this, my SCTA record is that, my DLRA record is the other... they quote their fastest record as their record speed.
AGAIN: Fastest is Fastest... the fastest record is the world record
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AGAIN: Fastest is Fastest... the fastest record is the world record
I agree in principle.
But, ... you go to Speed Week and set an SCTA record. How do you know it is the fastest in the world at that point? Which other lists of records do you check? Who can assure you that nobody else has ever gone faster somewhere else? How do you compare the class your vehicle ran in with other classes recognised by other sanctioning bodies?
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At the heart of this discussion is the fact that SCTA claim "all" their records as "World Records" :?
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In the case that's being talked about now, where else would you check? Seriously, where is anyone going faster than at Bonneville? Anyone with a computer and a little willpower can find out who's fastest in the class they're running. I did my homework a long time ago to see who I was going after and he lives 50 miles from me. Nobody else on earth has gone as fast as he has (in the class), not even close. I'm not trying to start anything here, I'm just saying from my first comment is that the FIA is highly overrated when used as a pinnacle for overall speed records. When a huge factory effort with two cars, a portable Dyno, big trucks/trailers and 30 people helping out still couldn't give a low buck guy with an open trailer and friends a run for his money, their passes should NOT constitute a "World Record!" Just my two cents...
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At the heart of this discussion is the fact that SCTA claim "all" their records as "World Records" :?
Actually, that's rather clever - it leaves proving the SCTA wrong somebody else's headache.
You can show the person questioning your record the timing slips, the certificate and/or trophy, point to the rules you competed by in the book, and then charge them with the task of going out and digging up proof of a faster vehicle running under the same parameters that disprove the SCTA claim.
At 84 years along, and as the oldest continuous operating racing organization in the United States, the SCTA doesn't have to prove itself to the rest of the world as an authority on speed trials.
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I agree in principle.
But, ... you go to Speed Week and set an SCTA record. How do you know it is the fastest in the world at that point? Which other lists of records do you check? Who can assure you that nobody else has ever gone faster somewhere else? How do you compare the class your vehicle ran in with other classes recognised by other sanctioning bodies?
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OK, for me it's easy... there is no FIA lakester class... although one has an FIA record... and got 2 guys in the 200 MPH club.... but it was 18MPH slower than my BNI (not SCTA) record. SCTA records are set at El Mirage... 1.3 miles to a trap speed... Streamliners also easy.... the classes are the same... almost...
But people that actually race LSR know who has the fastest record in their class...
Ronnie, if your record is faster than the BNI record for your bike class, then you have the world record. I don't think all the BNI records are the fastest, but I'd guess that it's over 80%. I know a lot a guys with FIM records... that are not world records... because someone has a faster record... it's all semantics...
Brad, The Japanese 3/4 liter liner was a work of art... 660cc 3 cylinder if I remember.... they ran at SpeedWeek to sort the car for the later FIA/FIM meet... ran in the 220's I think. They knew the speed to beat was 269... that was their ultimate goal... yes they set the FIA record, but the guy that spoke English said yes they set a record, but failed to set the fastest one. The car was a success, they achieved their corporate goal, set the FIA record... but they weren't happy, they never had a mile within 5 MPH as fast as Rick's 2 way average.
Fastest is the Fastest :cheers:
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I'm glad there's some others that think about this stuff the same way I do. Honestly, I didn't realize there were so many "world's" out there battling it out for total speed domination. I guess I'll follow the "FASTEST of the fast" and stay in my world...
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OK, for me it's easy... there is no FIA lakester class... although one has an FIA record... and got 2 guys in the 200 MPH club.... but it was 18MPH slower than my BNI (not SCTA) record. SCTA records are set at El Mirage... 1.3 miles to a trap speed... Streamliners also easy.... the classes are the same... almost...
Actually, there is neither an FIA lakester or streamliner class. What the SCTA calls lakesters and streamliners the FIA calls "automobiles" I like that.
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Does anyone else run world records for the Compressed Air Roadsters? They're even beat in their own association.
What about the Green Seat motorcycles? Want a "World Record"? Hundreds available as "Open" in SCTA.
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Does anyone else run world records for the Compressed Air Roadsters? They're even beat in their own association.
What about the Green Seat motorcycles? Want a "World Record"? Hundreds available as "Open" in SCTA.
Thank you Stan! I was hoping you would bring your common sense views to this discussion.
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At the heart of this discussion is the fact that SCTA claim "all" their records as "World Records" :?
Is that correct? I presume since nobody has objected it must be.
So Rick's 266 mph BFS record is a "World Record" even though it is slower than his 269 BGS record? If the Honda had set a 267 mph FIA record would the SCTA have considered that to be a "World Record"? :evil: muutt
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OK, for me it's easy... there is no FIA lakester class... although one has an FIA record... and got 2 guys in the 200 MPH club.... but it was 18MPH slower than my BNI (not SCTA) record. SCTA records are set at El Mirage... 1.3 miles to a trap speed... Streamliners also easy.... the classes are the same... almost...
Actually, there is neither an FIA lakester or streamliner class. What the SCTA calls lakesters and streamliners the FIA calls "automobiles" I like that.
You mean this... that's what I call almost... cromag
OFFICIAL LIST OF WORLD SPEED RECORDS HOMOLOGATED BY THE FIA IN CATEGORY A
LISTE OFFICIELLE DES RECORDS DU MONDE DE VITESSE HOMOLOGUES PAR LA FIA EN CATEGORIE A
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OK, for me it's easy... there is no FIA lakester class... although one has an FIA record... and got 2 guys in the 200 MPH club.... but it was 18MPH slower than my BNI (not SCTA) record. SCTA records are set at El Mirage... 1.3 miles to a trap speed... Streamliners also easy.... the classes are the same... almost...
Actually, there is neither an FIA lakester or streamliner class. What the SCTA calls lakesters and streamliners the FIA calls "automobiles" I like that.
You mean this... that's what I call almost... cromag
OFFICIAL LIST OF WORLD SPEED RECORDS HOMOLOGATED BY THE FIA IN CATEGORY A
LISTE OFFICIELLE DES RECORDS DU MONDE DE VITESSE HOMOLOGUES PAR LA FIA EN CATEGORIE A
That will be it. Category A is "Automobiles".
You might also like the FIA's definition of "World Record":
Best performance accomplished in a determined class or group. There are World Records for Automobiles and Special Automobiles.
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Yep, not to mention their list of absolute world records...
I find it interesting to know that according to the FIA the fastest 1/4 mile time actually happened in 1992 @ 298.118 MPH
I guess they don't recognize the NHRA either.... lol8
Again guys... the FIA is just another organization that certifies records... their list... You want to be on their list, give 'em money and get on their list.
Fastest is still the Fastest :cheers:
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The only "common sense" statement in this entire conversation are those five simple words...FASTEST IS STILL THE FASTEST!"
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let me clarify some points.
a lakester and a streamliner runs under the FIA in the category special constructions and not "automobil"
the only records over the kilo and mile under the FIA - for a long time - which was called World Speed Record, was the unlimited category "C"...this was the records for vehicles powered by rocket or jet engine....all the wheel driven like the records set by the Summers Brothers or Al Teague was only called
"International Record"....it needs us a long time, including people like Dave Petrali or David Tremanyne to change this....this was about 10 years ago, to the the same time they also killed a long time rule..."the one percent rule"...what had means that you had to go 1 percent faster than the existing record...
a lot of people was faster but walked away with nothing as there was this one percent rule....which came from the stone age of speed records when the equipment wasn't that accurat and sometimes like Daytona the mile lost some yards over night......by the way, up to 1935 the turn around time was only 30 minutes, when Malcolm Campbell set the first record at Bonneville, where he became the first man on land going faster than 300 mph, he asked for a change of that 30 minute as they has to change the tire after every run.....and he got the go for that.....
to my understanding the DLRA copied the SCTA/BNI/USFRA used category and safety requirment rules when the start to go serious on the lake in Australia,
so here you can "compare" the racers.
Finally something to the Honda team and their streamliners....
yes, they had the record car and a clone of that at the salt....but the clone was never for racing....this car was installed on the dyno to get the necessary numbers to tune the used racer. yes, when I know right, Myagi stays shy under Rick's record of 271 mph.....
but we have to stay fair...when the Honda team run, the salt wasn't in the best shape...and bringing a car out of the nothing to the salt with zero expierence and than setting a so record straight out was a great job....the JCB in 2006 didn't set record before some of real old salt experts gave them the necessary information and tricks to be successful at the salt.....for a newby the Honda team done a d a m n good job....and especially....they never done a big arrogant show....they stayed humble through the time they were at the salt.....
this two cents from the other side of the pond
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The only "common sense" statement in this entire conversation are those five simple words...FASTEST IS STILL THE FASTEST!"
Those five words pretty much sum up this entire subject. :cheers:
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"I find it interesting to know that according to the FIA the fastest 1/4 mile time actually happened in 1992 @ 298.118 MPH."
Well, the ones running now wouldn't qualify -- I think 1000 feet is shorter than a quarter mile.
And, completely off the subject, Colton shortened to 3/16 (about 1003 feet) in the 60s. So I'd guess that all their record holders still hold "World Records".
And the stupid (at least in the way they wrote it) C/AIR class created to get "World Records" for incompetent engines was a true blessing.
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a lakester and a streamliner runs under the FIA in the category special constructions and not "automobil"
Not so. Read Appendix D. Nothing in the rules prohibits production bodies in Class A. Excuse me. "Category" A
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let me clarify some points.
a lakester and a streamliner runs under the FIA in the category special constructions and not "automobil"
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Unfortunately, I think you may be a little out of date, Thomas.
Lakesters and streamliners are in Category A which is today called "Automobiles". This is where you can find the famous (FIA) records set by the Summers Brothers, Al Teague, Don Vesco, Tom Burkland, George Poteet and many others.
Category C is the one called "Special Automobiles", and seems to be mainly (but not exclusively) for thrust-powered vehicles. This is where Gary Gabelich's Blue Flame and Andy Green's ThrustSSC records sit.
Oh, and Category A used to be called "Special Automobiles" just to confuse us further.
Is that clear now? :-D :friday :cheers:
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The only "common sense" statement in this entire conversation are those five simple words...FASTEST IS STILL THE FASTEST!"
Agreed.
But you can be the fastest and not hold a record. See, for example, Mickey Thompson in 1960.
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I find it interesting to know that according to the FIA the fastest 1/4 mile time actually happened in 1992 @ 298.118 MPH
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I find it interesting that it says 185.242 mph / 298.118 km/h in the list I'm looking at.
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Yes, TrickyDicky, you are correct! Eddie Hill set the record at 185.xxxMPH back in 1992. But as I recall from FIA Appendix D, that's an average speed from a standing start over an entire quarter mile (1320 feet), rather than NHRA's 66-foot speed trap at the end.
Jeff in Boise
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let me clarify some points.
a lakester and a streamliner runs under the FIA in the category special constructions and not "automobil"
Pork Pie: Actually, streamliners, lakesters, roadsters, and all other "race cars" do run in FIA Category A: "Automobiles", except thrust-power ones (aka wingless airplanes taxiing) which are in Category C: "Special Automobiles". Category B is "Series Production Automobiles" (FIA randomly picks ones to run from a group of bone-stock cars), and Category D is Drag Racers - in which (like Category A) the only thing that counts is engine type, size, and aspiration.
Jeff in Boise
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Oh, they really changed the call out finally....they said they like to do some changes here when they start in 2014 this "great" idea to split the former 11 displacement sizes for combusting engines into 14....also some weight splittings....
interesting...in the final 2020 list (I'm getting them every year from the FIA) they sent me it was still the old calls....?????
maybe I log me in into the FIA web and check what is going on....than I can also check what the final result is for the 4.2 litre....as a while ago it looks that a record by Mercedes from 1938 would be now the record holder...and the BB CN7 from Donald Campbell will be back in the record list.....
if it's too easy....make it complicate....the FIA is very successful here..... :friday
let me clarify some points.
a lakester and a streamliner runs under the FIA in the category special constructions and not "automobil"
Pork Pie: Actually, streamliners, lakesters, roadsters, and all other "race cars" do run in FIA Category A: "Automobiles", except thrust-power ones (aka wingless airplanes taxiing) which are in Category C: "Special Automobiles". Category B is "Series Production Automobiles" (FIA randomly picks ones to run from a group of bone-stock cars), and Category D is Drag Racers - in which (like Category A) the only thing that counts is engine type, size, and aspiration.
Jeff in Boise
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Yes, TrickyDicky, you are correct! Eddie Hill set the record at 185.xxxMPH back in 1992. But as I recall from FIA Appendix D, that's an average speed from a standing start over an entire quarter mile (1320 feet), rather than NHRA's 66-foot speed trap at the end.
Jeff in Boise
That's a 4.86 second ET, by my math. Maybe that's why nobody in the USA is interested in FIA standing start records; they sound so slow. The runways where they run standing mile are quite suitable for 2-way standing kilometer runs.