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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => World of Speed-specific stuff => Topic started by: Tom Liberatore on August 18, 2017, 09:44:42 PM
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Less than a month away, hope there's some salt left.
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See you there!
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Team Graybeards will be supporting two (2!) new turbo Sportsters.
(OK, one is a Buell)
#6062 is getting rebuilt to have rear suspension, in hopes of 2018 WoS.
Sam
#6062
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Just wanted to give everyone and update. Dennis S. and Larry V. are making a trip to the flats this Thursday the 24th. We are well aware of the track conditions experienced at Speed Week. At this point we are 'not' planning on using the same tracks as were used during Speed Week. Once Dennis and Larry have had a chance to check things out, we will let you all know what the track layouts will be. We will strive to be honest in reporting what will be available in both distance and surface condition.
Stay tuned for further updates as we get closer, and hang in there.
Monte.
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How are the lines at WOS, are the like Saturday at Speedweek or more like Wednesday? Do they have qualifying and record runs on the last day?
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How are the lines at WOS, are the like Saturday at Speedweek or more like Wednesday? Do they have qualifying and record runs on the last day?
Didn't stick around for the last day, but in 2014, after Speedweek was rained out, but WOS was able to go, there were probably 150 contestants. I understand that most everybody was able to get all of the runs in they wanted.
I find WOS a lot less chaotic in comparison to Speedweek. Fewer distractions, cheaper hotels, cooler weather.
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Last year we ran the short course at WOS. You could hot lap as quick as you could get ready and pull to the line. The long course looked about like Wed of SW.
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Has anyone seen a list of entry vehicles for World of Speed?
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We no longer publish the entry list for World of Speed. There are, believe it or not, valid reasons for this. I won't go into it, but it has caused some issues in the past. The actions of a few can cause problems for the rest of us.
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Monty, any updates from yesterdays trip out on the salt?
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Monty, any updates from yesterdays trip out on the salt?
This?????Thanks
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Some decent news to report. Dennis and Larry were on on Thursday, they spent several hours scouting for possible track locations. They have found a couple of possibilities. The most promising for our long course, could be approximately seven and a half miles in length and would be situated west of where the pits were located during Speedweek. That area has been underwater for the last few years and therefore inaccessible, it has dried now and looks pretty promising. They had intended to pull a drag along it, but the motorcycle folks had all the drags in use, working to prep their own courses.
Our short course will most likely use the same track we had prepared for the Test and Tune. It is in decent shape and should come around nicely when worked a little bit.
Dennis and Larry will be going back out again this Thursday and use a drag to further evaluate both tracks and we will post their findings. We feel confident that USFRA will be able to provide the best courses possible considering the thin salt conditions.
If this is how we finalize the location of the tracks, it will mean a very unique layout and changes to how the return roads and turnouts will be situated. Stay tuned to this same"Bat Channel" for more information.
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As always Monte, thanks for all you and the others do so that we speed nuts can have at it! Looking forward to a good if not GREAT event , again, thanks goes to the crews that spend their own time working on the courses and trying their best to make lemonade from the lemons we have been left with! See you all in a couple weeks, Ed & Leona # 1011 aka: the 'eyeball car' :-D :cheers:
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Great news Monty, thank you.
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We appreciate the thanks from all of you, I will pass them along to the club members.
If you have not do so yet, you can see the schedule of World of Speed posted on our website: http://saltflats.com/2017/WOS17/Schedule.htm
The weather here continues to be warm and dry so things are looking good!
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Monte - thx for posting the schedule. Has the start of things moved forward to Friday? I'm recalling the opening ceremony used to be Saturday morning but now it shows Friday morning.
GW
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Yes indeed, the schedule has changed for this year. The past few years we would start on the Saturday following Labor Day. This year we had to move it back a week. After some discussion it was decided to start the racing on Friday rather than Saturday. So yes everyone, racing starts on September 15th this year.
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Yes, I guess "The weather here continues to be warm and dry so things are looking good!"
Friday on my front porch, in Millcreek, about 1600; Temp: a nice even 100* and 06% humids. Wendover doesn't vary much from us with this giant high pressure.
Good hunting, guys...
Jim
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Monte - thx for the clarification on the schedule. Was aware of the week change but wasn't aware of the Fri/Sat change... we'll plan accordingly. Thx also for the massive effort, as always, to plan, setup, and host the meet.
GW
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For those of us in the slow learners class, will racing start on Friday or Saturday?
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For those of us in the slow learners class, will racing start on Friday or Saturday?
Friday!
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We have found a track! Thanks to Dennis Sullivan and Larry Volk. After several trips to the salt and hours of checking all areas of the flats, they have found a suitable place for our long course. It will be a full 5 mile track, matching the normal long course configuration. The caveat will be that the layout will change in that a safe turnout will be to the right, or freeway side of the course instead of the mountain side. The emergency turnouts will be made to the mountain side.
The return road will be in between the long and short courses and so the safe turnouts for the short course will be to the left. I know this will be much different than what most of you are familiar with but salt conditions dictate the change for this year. We will have maps available for all competitors and spectators and make every effort to make this a smooth change over.
Dennis feels confident that the tracks will prove to be much smoother that what was available during Speedweek. I will be going out to begin dragging the tracks on the 9th of September, so that should give us ample time to get things adequately prepared.
We are looking forward to seeing all of you on the salt. Safe travels.
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Monte, thanks for the great news for all the racer they like to compete this year.
Unfortunately I will be not there this year, due to a private issue, which keeps me home.
For you all, safe and successful racing and stay always upright.
Hope I can follow the meet here over the notes at Landracing......so, use the PC and type from time to time an update
what is going on at the great white.
I will miss it :cry: :cry: :cry:
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And we will miss you Mr. Pie, you are part of the fun and a great photographer, will save you some pepperoni!
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Monte - fantastic news - when you say, "It will be a full 5 mile track, matching the normal long course configuration.", does that mean 5 plus shutdown?
GW
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Thanks Monte for the great news. This will be our first time at WOS. Glad to hear the long course might be smoother.
Ted
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Thanks for the info Monte. However, turn outs to the right is no problem for the roadsters, lakesters and aussies, it is a problem with the vehicles with large hood scoops. We can not see well to turnout to the right. The last time this was used, I remember a new black studie running into the back of another studie that did not pull far enough forward. It destroyed both cars. The turnouts have to be very wide if possible. It may be the same as speedweek, if you can not turn off safetly then they will just stop on the course and wait for someone to push them off. This makes for a very slow meet.
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I remember a number of times when the starter would ask me "Which way are you going to turn out?" -- to make sure that I knew if I was on a left- or right- turn out course. Between long course and short and rookie and so on -- there are many instances where a "right-turnout-means-all-is-okay" happens. Maybe you need a periscope to get a little bit of right-side scenery piped in? :roll:
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Anybody that has an apartment building on the hood can use a truck mirror inside to see down the back alley for turn-out.
Sid.
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This will be our first World of Speed event as well. We will be driving up from Florida and looking forward to it! :cheers:
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Monte - fantastic news - when you say, "It will be a full 5 mile track, matching the normal long course configuration.", does that mean 5 plus shutdown?
GW
Yes, it will be 5 miles plus a shutdown. Not sure if the shutdown will be longer than 2 miles until I have a chance to take a drag all the way out there.
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Monte, thanks for the great news for all the racer they like to compete this year.
Unfortunately I will be not there this year, due to a private issue, which keeps me home.
For you all, safe and successful racing and stay always upright.
Hope I can follow the meet here over the notes at Landracing......so, use the PC and type from time to time an update
what is going on at the great white.
I will miss it :cry: :cry: :cry:
Pork Pie, it was great to see and visit with you at Speedweek. We will miss your smiling face and shiny camera. Hope all goes well for you and plan to see you next year.
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Thanks for the info Monte. However, turn outs to the right is no problem for the roadsters, lakesters and aussies, it is a problem with the vehicles with large hood scoops. We can not see well to turnout to the right. The last time this was used, I remember a new black studie running into the back of another studie that did not pull far enough forward. It destroyed both cars. The turnouts have to be very wide if possible. It may be the same as speedweek, if you can not turn off safetly then they will just stop on the course and wait for someone to push them off. This makes for a very slow meet.
Anytime we have to make changes like this we are aware of the issues it places on many of the racers and their machines. We are always reluctant to make changes but the current salt conditions are forcing our hand. We will do whatever we can to accommodate you all, and clearly mark the turnouts and make them as wide as practical.
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Looking for a WOS entry if there's a race team that can't use theirs, I'd be happy to purchase the entry.
Thanks
Tim
#622
Found one! Thanks.
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Just checked weather...low 70's! Plenty of time to change but that would be something. Woz
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Just checked weather and it appears rain is on the way today, tonight and tomorrow. Will anyone at the USFRA give racers and spectators a heads up in time to cancel rooms if the meet is rained out?
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Morning Dave, the basic answer is YES , they are very good at trying to update before it's 'too late', but that doesn't mean that they can predict Mother Nature! :? That said, the POSITIVE outlook is NO RAIN or just a sprinkle , :cheers: it would have to be a pretty hard steady rain for the event to be cancelled! See ya out there !!
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Okay, thanks and see you there.
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stop with the negativity :-D
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We are on our way to World of Speed from Cleveland, Ohio.. 1950 Triumph LSR bike, ran at Speed Week last a few weeks ago and were just shy of the record, coming back at it tuned and ready to race! See you all soon..
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We are setting in wendover right now. 85 and no rain today and No clouds in site.
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We're leaving at 7:00 am. and we'll be on the Salt at 9:00 am Thursday. See everybody there.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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After the event where can we find results from the event including records set?
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On the USFRA website. :-D
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Any rain out there yet? In the forecast for next few days, just curious as we are starting our three day drive to Wendover.
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Well I just flew in to Las Vegas from London UK to take part this week. The race car left Tennessee yesterday so fingers crossed we will get good weather.
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Spencer Racing will be leaving for the salt Thursday morning 6am ! See you all there !
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On the USFRA website. :-D
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Thanks :cheers:
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We are on our way in Wyoming and have had a lot of rain, how are conditions in Wendover?
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Sprinkles by midnight
Nada
Sam
on site
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I'm guessing Slim is not there so no live (audio) streaming?
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Correct - I'm not out there, so no audio.
But - Ron Christensen is out there and sent this text a few minuters ago (around 6AM Bville time):
"The salt doesn't look too wet this morning despite rain showers 'til about 2AM".
The forecast didn't look good, but Ron gives hope. Today'll be the first day of runs.
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so has anyone heard if vehicles running down the course yet? :?
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yes, any updates would be swell, is anyone covering this event ?...bangshift or other
entities..or perhaps someone on FB , please let us know
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Nobody has run yet as of 2pm. To much wind. 15mph
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Too much wind at 4:30 as well, tomorrow will be a better day!
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Hi everyone....Fantastic blue skies but a vicious wind that did not let up. The salt actually was drying out nicely so a plus from that. Forecast says it should be a real nice weekend so an early start.
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Lots of racing today, two Turbinator runs, one with a 420+ and one with no time given, the only thing I heard was the car was at the nine mile and it didn't take it very long to get there.
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Lots of racing today, two Turbinator runs, one with a 420+ and one with no time given, the only thing I heard was the car was at the nine mile and it didn't take it very long to get there.
So Eric Ritter becomes only the 15th person to go over 400 mph (wheel-driven)?
Vesco information on Facebook suggests both runs were 400+ but neither was a qualifier for the class record.
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Nothing official, but the word here on the salt was that they took out the lights on their last run. There's probably about 15-20 cars in impound, including the two Kiwi Synergy V-8's, the VW D/DS car, an XXF/BFRMR, a couple Karmann Ghias, a G/PS Jetta, 3 Guthrie-Levie bikes, a couple roadsters, a C/BFALT (I think) Stude, and the Twin Scout Indian. I'm doing this from memory from when I left at 6pm last night, so I may have missed some. Oh, yeah - a B/DT Didge P/U, too.
Jeff
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Now that I'm back out here, I see I missed at least a couple, including a Chevy E/MP. And - how could I forget - Ye Olde Dragon - with the biggest single chute pack I ever saw! It's running on all 3 axles this time, still with the 16V92 Detroit.
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The parade from impound to the start has begun!
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Thanks for report :cheers:
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what kind of shape is the track in??
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Vesco team - Turbinator II with Eric driving....in the impound with a run close to 428 mph....shy over the record from Don Vesco....
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Buckeye Bullet came through Tech this morning. They said they want to do a pre-Shootout shakedown run. Getting a close look was pretty impressive. Roger actually sits in a Dallara Indy Car carbon fiber tub that's inside the cage! First time I've seen a 9-point harness, too. One of their guys told me it runs at 900 volts and 300 amps! Anyway, it passed Tech inspection, with no "fix-it for next time" entries in the log book!
The Kiwi's got records in both of their cars this morning, as did the Potter Bros. in their VW TDI V-10 streamliner (made with FlatFire body molds). They were parked next to each other in impound and made an interesting contrast. The Kiwi G/GS streamliner is FWD with rear tandem wheels, while the Potter's D/DS is RWD with tandem front wheels!
I had to pull the plug around 1115, but got to see Turbinator launch on its down run. Although it wasn't perfect, nobody I talked to was complaining about the courses.
Jeff
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There may be hope yet?
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There's a few photos from this event on the USFRA website.
Don
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We ran over our class record but blew the transmission out. Dam it.
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... as did the Potter Bros. in their VW TDI V-10 streamliner (made with FlatFire body molds).
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Is this the same vehicle that put Doug Adler in the 2 Club in 2012?
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I'm not familiar with the Adler car. Was it VW V-10 diesel-powered? If so, and it looked like Flat Fire - with tandem front wheels - it'd be a petty good bet!
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I'm not familiar with the Adler car. Was it VW V-10 diesel-powered? If so, and it looked like Flat Fire - with tandem front wheels - it'd be a petty good bet!
Yes - 300 c.i. VW V10. It is(was?) the record holder for DS-D class (set in 2012).
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Return run was not good enough - disappointing 353 mph.....checking for reason and maybe another try....
Vesco team - Turbinator II with Eric driving....in the impound with a run close to 428 mph....shy over the record from Don Vesco....
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Anybody know if the WOS daily run recaps are being posted anywhere? I can't find anything.
Rick
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Anybody know if the WOS daily run recaps are being posted anywhere? I can't find anything.
Rick
Look on the USFRA website.
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Lots of racing today, two Turbinator runs, one with a 420+ and one with no time given, the only thing I heard was the car was at the nine mile and it didn't take it very long to get there.
On the USFRA web site, the long course results for Saturday show just the one Turbinator run, with a highest mile speed of 343.561 mph (exit speed 437.025 mph). What am I missing?
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What are you missing? Well, with a top end like the car must have (if those speeds are correct) one heck of a top end rush:
"with a highest mile speed of 343.561 mph (exit speed 437.025 mph)."
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I'm not familiar with the Adler car. Was it VW V-10 diesel-powered? If so, and it looked like Flat Fire - with tandem front wheels - it'd be a petty good bet!
Yes - 300 c.i. VW V10. It is(was?) the record holder for DS-D class (set in 2012).
Yep! That's it - same car.
Jeff
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Lots of racing today, two Turbinator runs, one with a 420+ and one with no time given, the only thing I heard was the car was at the nine mile and it didn't take it very long to get there.
On the USFRA web site, the long course results for Saturday show just the one Turbinator run, with a highest mile speed of 343.561 mph (exit speed 437.025 mph). What am I missing?
On Saturday, we heard that it had made a fast run. However, that must have been erroneous, as they never were in impound on Saturday. Their qualifying run was around 1100am on Sunday.
Also, I noticed some obvious problems elsewhere in the posted results.
Jeff
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Also, I noticed that the results have the Potter Bros. car listed as D-PS, rather than D-DS. I don't know where they came up with the old record listed, as it appears not to be correct for either of those classes. I think Adler had the record at 201+.
I also remember then telling me that it was now the world's fastest VW.
Jeff
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They missed the time in mile 5.
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Trickydicky posted "Turbinator run, with a highest mile speed of 343.561 mph (exit speed 437.025 mph)." When Don was still around and running the car my son and I watched it run a 439+ and I think the "out the back" time was over 460. That car is the hardest charging streamliner I have ever seen. If there is a car that can run over 500 wheel driven then give the Turbinator a good course and 6 miles and the trophy!!
Rex
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I got my "brothers" all mixed up. The Potter bros. ran a VW, alright, but it was a Jetta, not a streamliner. Doug Adler's brother, Davidson, ran the Double Eagle streamliner to a new record, while the Potter's came up a bit short.
Jeff
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There is a lot of Saturday long course runs that are not posted . My second run was the first run after the computers went down and were repaired .
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Is it accurate that there were only 14 new records set at this years event?
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So it would seem. The event was cut a day short - not by rain, but by wind on Friday.
I wish they'd post all the runs so we could see what everybody did on Sunday and Monday.
Jeff
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Give them a chance to post them.
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Look at how few records were set at Speedweek this year. The poor race surface conditions in August were not going to improve any in a months time. A better racing surface is needed but until the idea of Return The Salt is undertaken there's going to be less records set. Plus a whole lot more broken equipment is now taking place from trying to put the power down on the thin and rough surface we now have to run on. :-(
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. . . for the first time, multiple entries were damaged trying to get to the courses.
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. . . for the first time, multiple entries were damaged trying to get to the courses.
Amen to that, we will probably spend the rest of the season fixing damage from the tow to and from the short course.
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Pepperoni Bros. thought the course was excellent and the drive to pits and both courses the best in years, not one puddle!
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sounds like the course was really good for WOS. It was Spdwk thart had the rough courses and access roads.
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I personally thought that the short course was great. I ran my fastest speed so far of 161.89 and it was the best handling the car has been. The return roads were comparable or a little better than SpeedWeek.
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We had a great time,ran the short course first because we had to qualify for the long course and re-license since the car and I had not been to the salt since 2010.Long course was good except it got pretty lose between the 3 and 4 :-o.I will bring my bigger balls next year and leg it out 5 miles :-D
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I just noticed (1246MDT) that they've posted more results on the USFRA website.
Jeff
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Is it accurate that there were only 14 new records set at this years event?
Now they're showing 16 more on Monday, for a total of 30.
Jeff
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I will bring my bigger balls next year and leg it out 5 miles :-D
Beware when your balls get bigger than your brain, salt happens :-o
Speed Week crash survivor :-D
Johnboy
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I hear your balls get bigger with age. :-D
Don't know for sure but hope to find out if I quit procrastinating and can get it back to running condition and get down to Salt Dyno Midwest.
Ron
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Johnboy,
you don't know how happy I was, when I saw that we got you back in one piece after your bad luck at the Speedweek....
Stay crazy, brother.
Pork Pie
I will bring my bigger balls next year and leg it out 5 miles :-D
Beware when your balls get bigger than your brain, salt happens :-o
Speed Week crash survivor :-D
Johnboy