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Title: Bolivia
Post by: Roadkinglsr on July 13, 2017, 07:11:18 AM
Anyone following Mike Cook and watching whats going on down there?  Whats the course for?  They said they are surveying for a 20 mile course, salt looks thick.


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: TrickyDicky on July 13, 2017, 07:37:52 AM
http://top1ackattack.com/


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: Roadkinglsr on July 13, 2017, 07:53:54 AM
Thank you, That's some good funding right there.   I am curious how that altitude is going to play into it..


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: Stainless1 on July 13, 2017, 08:28:26 AM
RK, try the search function, this has been discussed at length  :cheers:


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: JC Sparks on July 13, 2017, 10:15:37 AM
12,500 altitude.  I wonder what it will adjust to. 


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: ack on July 13, 2017, 06:35:28 PM
Track prep in Bolivia Mike Cook, Dan Warner, Mike Jr and Tommy Roberts there now.


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: manta22 on July 13, 2017, 07:50:03 PM
A couple of years ago, Joline and I went to Peru and one of the places we visited was Lake Titicaca @ 12,507 feet. At that altitude, walking up hill is not much fun; it takes a lot of energy to exert yourself in that thin air. Everest must be a bitch. I think the altitude at that Salar will pretty much preclude running a NA car there.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: trimmers on July 14, 2017, 06:01:25 AM
If you go back to the main page of this Forum, then scroll all the way down to the bottom, you'll find "Announcements".  Under that is "Upcoming Events".  The only thead there is one about next month's "Top of the World" event in Bolivia, with lots of info.


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: Dynoroom on July 14, 2017, 02:26:29 PM
From Cook Jr.'s Facebook page.


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: Dynoroom on July 14, 2017, 02:29:07 PM
A couple more...

Note the salt brick dome in the hotel room.   8-)


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: manta22 on July 14, 2017, 02:33:46 PM
How deep was that hole? The salt looks very thick!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: jimmy six on July 14, 2017, 05:34:08 PM
It could be a mile thick but it's still in Bolivia and 10K elevation.....but nice to see that there is no chemical plant.


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: Buickguy3 on July 15, 2017, 07:49:16 AM
   Wait until Intrepid hears about this place. Altitude be damned.
    Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Boliva
Post by: SteveM on July 15, 2017, 08:50:31 AM
If Intrepid decides to mine in Bolivia, perhaps the Bonneville Salt Flats will have an opportunity to "recover".....

Steve.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on July 15, 2017, 09:19:54 AM
A tale of two salt flats. Both about the same age, geologically, that is. One was mined for a few years the other not so much! One has salt for 100 miles the other not so much!
It is reported that 85% of all the vehicles in the world will be electric by 2030. One of the largest lithium deposits in the world is at one of these salt flats.
Care to guess the ending of this story?  :? :? :x :x
See ya on what's left in a few weeks!  :-D


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Freud on July 16, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
They are mining it NOW.

FREUD


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: tauruck on July 16, 2017, 05:16:49 PM
So DO I borrow money I can't pay back and make the pilgramage
before it's too late?.   Serious question.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Freud on July 18, 2017, 11:36:52 AM
The place is SO BIG, it can't be a problem.

There is room for 100's of tracks. Just relocate.

A fellow wanted to cross the playa. He drove 80

miles, turned around and went back w/o getting

to the far side.

FREUD


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: jl222 on July 18, 2017, 09:51:05 PM


  What would be the cost of shipping, flying, hotels, renting a push truck and entry fee, ECT. in Bolivia

  Can 2 cars [coupes] fit in a container?

            JL222


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Tom Liberatore on August 03, 2017, 07:10:59 PM
Ack is on the salt and getting ready to rock, info on their Facebook page. :cheers:


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Ole Don on August 04, 2017, 09:56:38 PM

   The facebook page says for opening ceremonies today, 8/4, the president of Bolivia was there. Pretty cool.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 05, 2017, 06:42:29 AM
Report from Uyuni (you-you-knee), Bolivia:
First off, I don’t do Facebook, Twitter, LinkledIn, Etc. so I don’t know what’s been posted there.
Okay.  You are just going to have to deal with it.  There are simply no words to describe this place and no photographs can do justice to the scope.  Sorry.  I’ve taken dozens of pictures and videos but they just don’t communicate the reality.
The humidity here stays in the teens to mid 30’s and average rainfall for the two or three winter months is Zero.  Temp outside during the day, when you are standing in the sun, is delightfully sunny and a bit chilly.  Really cold in the morning (it IS Winter here) warming to nice shirt sleeve weather around noon.  And incredibly, there is almost no wind.  You could stand around in your fire suit and helmet most of the day and not mind.  In the shade… well it gets cold in a hurry.
The salt is so dry NONE of it sticks to anything.  There’s like a ‘48 Dodge flatbed truck in town that has been working on the salt for 40+ years and there is no salt on it.  It’s somewhat rusty, but nothing like A Bonneville “resident”. 
And the salt itself is like white asphalt.  I bent five #22 spikes over trying to drive them in, and the model babes who showed up for the opening ceremonies walked around in their stiletto heels with no problem.  Again it is like white asphalt.  BTW the pics of their heels are on the "raw" salt, not the course.
It was remarked you could land a 747 on the race course with ease.  True, but it misses the point: you could land a half dozen 747’s, in formation, all at the same time on the race course (and on the salt along side it) with tons of room to spare.  You could even land them all in a straight line, right down the course, each with its own “private” runway.
As to the enclosed screen shot - The hotel is at the east end of the red line.  It’s eleven miles across the salt to the fifteen mile race course, the green line.  That’s right the entire usable portion of the Bonneville Salt Flats could fit within the drive to simply get to the track.  Then it’s fifteen miles of the most amazing salt surface I’ve ever seen.
As an aside, a few days ago, starting from the hotel we drove in a chartered bus for an hour across the salt (40-45mph) to visit this amazing cactus covered island (The magenta arrow in the middle of the picture), which, upon closer inspection we noticed was actually covered in coral.  Again a lot of pictures and a few videos were taken, and again they fell short.  The salt, even from the 300 or so foot summit of this “island” simply is the horizon in almost every direction.
For a lot of photos type Uyuni, Bolivia into the search box in Google Earth.  There are hundreds there.
Anyway, the biggest problem facing the event is… no motorcycles.  Only two have shown up so far.  The stories are many and varied about where they are, and what’s holding them up, peppered with frequent, even daily, “No problemo, Senior.  A las dies horas manana.”  (“At 10 tomorrow morning”)
At the moment it’s For Sure tonight at 10PM.  Time will tell.
Oh, and we’re staying in a Salt Junky’s Heaven.  A four star hotel made out of, what else, salt.  Google Palacio De Salar.
My prediction is the first car to go 500+ will do it at Uyuni.  It’s just beyond belief how PERFECT a race course it is. 
And I cannot believe what went on yesterday.  There was a HUGE celebration on the salt for us racers, attended by the President of Bolivia.  All sorts of folk dress and bands, and dancing.  Probably 2500 people attended.  And for, at that moment, two motorcycles.
The President finally arrived and spoke about how us racers were going to help promote Bolivia in the eyes of the world, along with a bunch of other stuff.  Right after he spoke he asked to meet with us by the starting line where he posed for endless pictures with many of us.  That's him in the white serape in the foreground.  Not me though, I was off “talking” Spanglish with his wife for a while.
Anyway, then Ralph Hudson, who runs a VERY fast motorcycle, started his bike up, and with spectators along the course for a quarter of a mile cheering him on, made a pass.
Okay, that’s enough for now.
The adventures continue. 
(Trying to upload with the overloaded internet here  - can't show pics right now)


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 05, 2017, 07:02:05 AM
Pic for previous post

Ack Attack just showed up!


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 05, 2017, 07:04:35 AM
Sorry still trying to upload pics


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: trimmers on August 05, 2017, 07:07:50 AM
Jim:

Thanks for the detailed update!  Like you, I've already got enough on my plate that I choose not to do social media.  What you had to say reinforces what everybody else has been saying about Uyuni.   Can we anticipate seeing the Missile there at some point in the future?  Glad to hear that the container with Ack Attack finally showed up, too!  I'm hoping you'll post some very positive results here soon!

Thanks again!
Jeff in Boise


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 05, 2017, 07:20:05 AM
Ack Attack is geared for 468.  Average betting pool says 420.  No reason it shouldn't make it, baring mechanicals.
And I'm still trying to forward some pics.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: GW on August 05, 2017, 08:25:28 AM
"GEARED FOR 468" !!!
"AVERAGE BETTING POOL SAYS 420" !!!
Wish I were there; will have to stay on the forum all day for updates.

GW


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: manta22 on August 05, 2017, 10:12:52 AM
How is everyone faring with the high altitude?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: SPARKY on August 05, 2017, 01:07:32 PM
no reported fallouts or deaths so far  :-D


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Glen on August 05, 2017, 02:08:39 PM
Jim thanks for the updates.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: joea on August 05, 2017, 06:39:36 PM
Mucho gracias on you taking time to keep us informed

The stark contrast to situation at Bonneville on so many levels is quite epic ..!


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 05, 2017, 07:58:14 PM
Update:
Al Lamm arrived having stuffed 40’ of sea container into about a 10x6x6 (+/-) air freight plywood box and a similar sized “show” box that held the bike.
Spent some time setting him up and had a MAJOR setback when we couldn’t drive 3/8” lag screws (to hold down his ground tarp) into the salt with an impact wrench.  Finally settled on the “screws into hardwood” technique of pre-drilling the holes and then using the impact wrench.  Did I mention the salt is REALLY hard?
He finally got all the decals onto the bike (You’re not REALLY racing if the paint is dry when you load your car/bike into the trailer!) and made an exploratory pass setting the Top Speed of the meet so far of 199.
Ralph Hudson swears his bike ran just fine before he pulled the motor prior to this event.  Now he spent the day chasing a trashy crank trigger signal.  Fingers crossed for Ralph.
Ack Attack claimed they’d be ready by 10:00.  (BTW it’s so cold we gave up the 7:00AM shtick and now shoot for a 9:00 to 9:30 arrival onto the salt.)  Then they first spent no small amount of time looking for why the rear wheel was sitting in a puddle of oil in its cup shaped wheel holder in its transport trailer.  I don’t know if they ever discovered why, but were side tracked later in the day with a funky master cylinder that took three+ (4?) hours to fix and then bleed.  Point being they but the bike back into the container in the dark, i.e., 6:00 – 6:30PM.
Nick and Mike and, I think, John ran their bone stock 1000 Aprilla up and down the course claiming, “That was the fastest I’ve ever gone! (183)”, and, “That course is like riding a freeway!”  Made 5 or 6 passes.
Tomorrow seems like it will be the start of THE day if not the ACTUAL day.  Lamm is ready.  Akatiff and Robinson are ready.  And God knows, the salt is ready.
Oh and there were about 2435 fewer people on the salt today.
Stay tuned.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: sabat on August 05, 2017, 08:18:17 PM
I greatly appreciate the reports, best of luck to all tomorrow. Dean.  :cheers:


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 05, 2017, 08:24:48 PM
But Jim -- give us some indication of whether the salt is good or not, hey?  Like - is it a good solid base? :roll:


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: ack on August 05, 2017, 08:36:08 PM
"GEARED FOR 468" !!!
"AVERAGE BETTING POOL SAYS 420" !!!
Wish I were there; will have to stay on the forum all day for updates.

GW


We are geared for just over 400. We want to put a two way run. In the book.  Then it's how fast do you want to go Rocky?

We are ready to run first thing tomorrow.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 05, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
This is absolutely EPIC.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: joea on August 05, 2017, 09:20:56 PM
neato, they wont have to line up getting off the flats ...to wash off accumulated salt...so
as to show the government that the racers doing their part to try to entice the government
to help stop the destruction of the flats...by an entity already doing so for over 40 years...with salt less than an inch thick, so we can do more studies...





Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: wobblywalrus on August 05, 2017, 10:57:51 PM
Is that a naturally aspirated Aprilia going so fast?  One would think a non-turbo or non-blown bike would be real slow at that elevation.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Jack Gifford on August 05, 2017, 11:36:01 PM
Remind me- are FIA people there?


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: salt27 on August 06, 2017, 12:06:49 AM
I wish I was there. 


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: SPARKY on August 06, 2017, 12:43:49 AM
 :cheers: Go Guys Go!!


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: ack on August 06, 2017, 02:37:00 AM
Is that a naturally aspirated Aprilia going so fast?  One would think a non-turbo or non-blown bike would be real slow at that elevation.

The Aprilia is running about 6 mph faster than Bonneville.  The only thing I can think of is the motor likes the cold temperature and low humidity (15%). They are running 100 octane airplane gas they got at the airport. Olso the freeway smooth rock hard surface lets them use maximum power at all times for as much runup as they need. Nitrous next with some of our 118 octane.

It is a fully sanctioned FIM meet Charlie is here to keep things on the up and up.



Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 06, 2017, 04:46:43 AM
More attempts to up load pics for e-mail a while ago


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 06, 2017, 04:47:55 AM
I guess doing this at 5:00 AM means I t's not as "Crowded" on line.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 06, 2017, 05:07:51 AM
Let's try some more pics


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 06, 2017, 05:09:19 AM
I'm getting greedy


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 06, 2017, 05:10:09 AM
More


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 06, 2017, 05:21:02 AM
Okay, early uploads is the key.
As to the effects on us folks of the altitude... yes it is definitely there and it not to be taken lightly.  There are these wonderful little oxygen inhalers for sale cheap in the hotel (70 "shots" for $8).  I carry one with me (they weigh less than a pound) and take a shot occasionally if I feel like I need to.  Plus they have oxygen at the desk.  And, as you might imagine, the older, and for sure the fatter, members who are here, are showing it more. Bottom line - it IS a problem to be aware of and is to be respected.  But there are ways to deal with it.  You can buy "shooters" online - www.boostoxygen.com is one.  And FWIW I carry O2 almost all the time around here, 1. because it may be needed, and 2. it's so handy and simple, and the results of a couple of "shots" are so quick.
Gotta Go,


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 06, 2017, 06:47:05 AM
okay answers to a few questions:
The FIA is not here, just FIM.
As to the speed of the Aprilla, there's been some conversation about its sound as it goes by at speed.  It's just a constant waaaaahhhhhhh, indicating good hookup to the salt verses the wahhhwahhhwahhh you can hear many times at B'ville.
Then, of course, is the lesser wind resistance.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Malcolm UK on August 06, 2017, 09:34:39 AM
Is that a naturally aspirated Aprilia going so fast?  One would think a non-turbo or non-blown bike would be real slow at that elevation.

The Aprilia is running about 6 mph faster than Bonneville.  Nitrous next with some of our 118 octane.

It is a fully sanctioned FIM meet Charlie is here to keep things on the up and up.


How are the FIM handling the use of Nitrous Oxide, because they were (once) the governing body that demanded only air as the oxidant in a bike combustion engine, blown or unblown?


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 06, 2017, 09:44:15 AM

Remember the days way back when you had to drill a hole at Bonneville to put a tent peg in the salt?
  Sid.
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16751.0;attach=57512;image


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Stainless1 on August 06, 2017, 09:51:05 AM
Before they improved their strip mining efficiency  :x


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: stay`tee on August 06, 2017, 02:31:02 PM
I notice that in the photos everyone is "Rugged Up",, is it cold all day ??, would be interested to know the air temperature, relative air density, etc,,


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: racefanwfo on August 06, 2017, 04:16:34 PM
So when is the ack attack going to run


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Gregg Adams on August 06, 2017, 04:46:32 PM
But Jim -- give us some indication of whether the salt is good or not, hey?  Like - is it a good solid base? :roll:

Jon,

Here is the reason I bailed on this site.
What you "THINK" is funny comes across as being a total "Smart A-S-S" remark!
I've talked with several folks at El Mirage and Loring and when I make the "Smart A-S-S" comment about you, the reply is....."Yep, I know what you mean and true"!!!! So in my defense, it's not just me!
So, Dearie, you NEED to "THINK" about how your comment will be received before you post!!!!!

If your post was on Facebook, I'd give you a thumbs.....DOWN!

Gregg Adams


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: salt on August 06, 2017, 07:04:14 PM
Erin just posted on Instagram that Al Lamb upped his 262 FIM record to approximately 266 this afternoon.

Willi
Kraut Bros.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 06, 2017, 07:08:14 PM
Interesting - and good to hear.  More tomorrow?


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: salt on August 06, 2017, 07:15:23 PM
According to Erin, Ack had "fueling problems" but made a "checkout pass in the mid 300s" and will be back in the am.
No word on Hudson yet.

Willi
Kraut Bros.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Eddieschopshop on August 06, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
does check out pass mean we went for it but had fuel problems so it was a "check out pass"  thats what  i do


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: 836dstr on August 06, 2017, 07:42:14 PM
Mr. Adams,

If you do not get Jon's sense of humor and have "bailed" on this site then why are you still lurking out there?

This is Jon's Website and as owner he has editorial license. He provides a GREAT service to the LSR Community.

Can you say that? Enough said!

Keep up the good work Jon!

Tom


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: salt on August 06, 2017, 08:05:58 PM
Apparently, Ralph Hudson qualified on that same 262 record but could not back it up for some reason - said to be back tomorrow as well.
This is exciting stuff!


Willi
 Kraut Bros.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 06, 2017, 08:41:49 PM
Okay all y'all Fakebookers have said most of it all already.  Just a day of chasing gremlins (or chunkin' tahrs if y'all are Al Lamm) . Rocky spent the first run shooting ducks for a mile before he shut down.  Then went 328 or so on a get acquainted pass for 12-13 miles later in the day.  He reports that the ONLY bump on the course was nothing like the underground river at B'ville.  A little bump and then onward.  Had a leetle trouble stopping, though.  Not being a champion level trials rider he could not balance his bike without the training wheels down.  So, with a special shout out to Marconi and Motorola, he was able to alert the crew to his dilemma who "caught" him as he stopped thereby keeping the killer paint job intact.
The Aprilla boys got their wish(es) and each made a 200+ pass (on the "jug" - but still 2+).
Ralph Hudson finally found his gremlin (did you now crank trigger sensors had polarity?), and put down some pretty healthy numbers.  It being Bolivia and all, and out of range for all but the most dedicated ambulance chasers, I have recommended that they stage an epic, first ever, Hudson/Lamm drag race to find out who really owns this record.
And I am working on an El Cheapo way to come down here and race.  Yeah it's still more than B'Ville, but to finally race the best salt on Planet Earth?  (Did you know American Airlines credit cards is offering 75,000 mile sign up bonus for spending, I think $5k in the first three months?  I think you can fly down here and home for about 70,000 miles if you are flexible on your dates.)
Okay that's it for now.  One final Rocky pic for all y'all and I am flying out early AM manana.  I.e., this will be the final insertion.
See you all at B'ville next week!


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: salt on August 06, 2017, 08:44:07 PM
The naturally aspirated Aprilia bike made several 200mph+ passes - over 20mph faster than their Bonneville speeds.

How about a SCTA/BNI sanctioned event for cars and motorcycles at Uyuni in 2018?! It seems to be a viable alternative to the Utah mud flats. The country seems to be very welcoming and accommodating to us racers. I'm in.

Willi
Kraut Bros.



Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Podunk on August 06, 2017, 09:25:46 PM
I'm with 836. Keep it up Jon!!!!
Terry


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 07, 2017, 12:17:36 AM
Okay all y'all Fakebookers have said most of it all already.  Just a day of chasing gremlins (or chunkin' tahrs if y'all are Al Lamm) . Rocky spent the first run shooting ducks for a mile before he shut down.  Then went 328 or so on a get acquainted pass for 12-13 miles later in the day.  He reports that the ONLY bump on the course was nothing like the underground river at B'ville.  A little bump and then onward.  Had a leetle trouble stopping, though.  Not being a champion level trials rider he could not balance his bike without the training wheels down.  So, with a special shout out to Marconi and Motorola, he was able to alert the crew to his dilemma who "caught" him as he stopped thereby keeping the killer paint job intact.
The Aprilla boys got their wish(es) and each made a 200+ pass (on the "jug" - but still 2+).
Ralph Hudson finally found his gremlin (did you now crank trigger sensors had polarity?), and put down some pretty healthy numbers.  It being Bolivia and all, and out of range for all but the most dedicated ambulance chasers, I have recommended that they stage an epic, first ever, Hudson/Lamm drag race to find out who really owns this record.
And I am working on an El Cheapo way to come down here and race.  Yeah it's still more than B'Ville, but to finally race the best salt on Planet Earth?  (Did you know American Airlines credit cards is offering 75,000 mile sign up bonus for spending, I think $5k in the first three months?  I think you can fly down here and home for about 70,000 miles if you are flexible on your dates.)
Okay that's it for now.  One final Rocky pic for all y'all and I am flying out early AM manana.  I.e., this will be the final insertion.
See you all at B'ville next week!


Thanks for keeping us non-connected people in the loop here, much appreciated. Do you know what the highest DA spike is there?
  Sid.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 07, 2017, 05:08:04 AM
As an aside the Aprilla went 185 "naturally aspirated" - still faster than they'd ever been before.  The 2+ speeds were on the "Jug".
And I've only seen one time slip.  This one's from one of the chase vehicles.
And (reply to a long time ago e-mail) yes, people are, I think you said, "chunked up".  That's because it's winter and it's 12,000 feet.  Which means we do not go to the salt prior to 8:00AM or so because of the cold.  It also means that all of the bikers walked around almost all day completely suited up in their leathers.  But you can still wear shorts late morning to just about an hour before sundown.  It's just a very dry cold so both wardrobes work.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: stay`tee on August 07, 2017, 05:30:11 AM
And (reply to a long time ago e-mail) yes, people are, I think you said, "chunked up".  That's because it's winter and it's 12,000 feet.  Which means we do not go to the salt prior to 8:00AM or so because of the cold.  It also means that all of the bikers walked around almost all day completely suited up in their leathers.  But you can still wear shorts late morning to just about an hour before sundown.  It's just a very dry cold so both wardrobes work.
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Thankyou Sir  8-)


Title: Re: Bolivia oxygen
Post by: nickleone on August 07, 2017, 08:14:05 AM
Pulse ox meters are about $30 on Amazon.
It might be something to pack for next time to keep check on us older folks.
Says the guy who lives at 5400 feet outside Denver Colorado.
Heading to B'ville Friday to spectate and breath sea level air LOL.

Nick


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Ron Gibson on August 07, 2017, 09:56:17 AM
Mr Adams
Life must must be a beech when you have NO, NADA, ZIP, NONE, sense of humor and then you get pizzed off at anyone who does have one and appreciates it.
Anyone with absoultely NO sense of humor needs to avoid this site like the plague.
Keep it up Jon.

Ron


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 07, 2017, 10:58:40 AM
Okay,
Two corrections - first though:
Made it to La Paz (not that anyone cares) an amazing city with about as many high rises as Manhattan plus Honolulu combined and built upon what looks like the inside of a vocano that froze in mid-eruption.  The streets are crazy steep and buildings are built on top of everything.
Okay. On to the mea culpas.
Uyuni is pronounced ewe (think Marilyn Monroe)-you-knee, not you-you-knee
And apparently there were other factors in Rocky not being able to balance at the end of the run yesterday, as he has a pretty good history of trials riding.
Oops.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: tauruck on August 07, 2017, 12:40:40 PM
Mr Adams
Life must must be a beech when you have NO, NADA, ZIP, NONE, sense of humor and then you get pizzed off at anyone who does have one and appreciates it.
Anyone with absoultely NO sense of humor needs to avoid this site like the plague.
Keep it up Jon.

Ron

I agree. :-D :cheers:


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 07, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
So the correct pronunciation for Uyuni would sound like oo-ee-you-knee?? :?
Jeez that sucker has more vowels that it know's what to do with! :|
  Sid.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 07, 2017, 02:13:01 PM
Just so you know, there are still reminders of home down here.  This is the entrance from the dirt to the Salar de Uyuni  (type   -20.315847 -66.981572    into the search bar on Google Earth and/or Google Maps)
And okay one more try at the pronunciation.  Let's try saying the actual letter U as in "U" as if you were doing the alphabet, "S, T, U, V...".  So it would be "U-you-knee".
And yes that's a crack in the windshield.  There's no AVIS/Hertz down here so the locals rent you their car for the day, some even with drivers.  And many are rather "tired" The cars, not the drivers.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: trimmers on August 07, 2017, 02:32:08 PM
In light of the late arrival of the containers, etc., are there any plans to extend the meet beyond its scheduled August 8 (tomorrow!) ending?  As I recall, this was done previously for Ack Attack at the Shootout at Bonneville.

Jeff in Boise


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 07, 2017, 03:17:23 PM
Hadn't heard any thoughts of that when I left this morning at 8AM


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: jimmy six on August 07, 2017, 04:22:28 PM
I'd have no problem with SCTA-BNI sanctioned records as long as they would listed separate like Muroc was for a few years in our rulebook. The real problem would be the 2 club figuring out minimums. I wouldn't want that job....
This is a great accomplishment for those of use who love, respect, and follow land speed trials...


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Stan Back on August 07, 2017, 05:45:11 PM
J.D. --

I'm with you.  The records in the Rule Book list "Bonneville" records, not salt records.  But I guess if we're talking FIM, that's a whole different ball game.

You could probably tell me, but I don't understand why the SCTA didn't run the same distance as El Mirage and just call them California Dry Lake records or something.  Did they have minimums?  Or did the "competitors" just run once or twice with vitutally no competition?

Stan


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: RichFox on August 07, 2017, 10:25:16 PM
I ran at some of those meets. Set the V4/GR record at 130 mph. Which was considerably slower than the El Mirage record or even as fast as the car had run at El Mirage. The turn out wasn't real big or small. I guess they ran a mile and  half because they could. We didn't get trophys or certificates or anything. Mostly I think it was just to say you ran at Muroc.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 07, 2017, 11:01:42 PM
Yeah the hump over the runway was a bitch wasn't it? :-o
  Sid.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: jimmy six on August 07, 2017, 11:09:05 PM
Rich and Stan... I ran faster on Muroc than I ever had at El Mirage by 4 mph. Boy if I could have my current combination and go back.
As for receiving anything; every entry recieved an ORANGE timing tag made special for Muroc. The SCTA was not going to make anything special for records because all classes were open. As I was the guy making the timing tags I put a capital R in parentheses behind the speed of those who did set record because of multiple entries in the same class. The second year I wrote the word Record behind the speed if a record was set.
Today these are the rarest of SCTA timing tags.
There was only a hump the first year going south to north. The next year west to east on a great course.

Enough of this....I hope we get to read and see a lot more of Bolivia in Land Racings future....


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: TrickyDicky on August 08, 2017, 01:34:41 AM
From Mike Cook's facebook page:

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The event is completed. No accidents, everyone is safe and preparing to head home. Al Lamb knocked out a 280 pass today and then Ralph Hudson ran a 289. Unfortunately, the Ack Attack came up short. Details are still sketchy. ... Ralph's new record is now 284 and change for the mile and 285 for the kilo, pending final ratification by the AMA/FIM officials.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 08, 2017, 01:52:44 AM
Okay, as I said earlier, I don't do social media (who wants all those friends anyway?) so I don't know if this has been posted.
My lovely and talented assistant, and former Husky 400 rider, Bruce, has reported to me that Ack had mechanicals on every run and has packed it up to go home.  No other info at the moment on it or any other vehicles.  (Oops.  I just saw the previous post)
On a related note, Jon, just in case you weren't paying attention earlier, you should know that the salt is HARD.  VERY hard.
And for those of you who have been paying attention all along you should know that Bolivia epitomizes 2 of a racer's 3 favorite words:
1. HARD - Have I mentioned that the salt is REALLY hard?  Jon.... Jon... are you paying attention?  Jon?
2. CHEAP - Right now I'm typing this on the dining room table of my 800-900sq. ft. corner suite in a 4 star (4.2 actually) downtown La Paz hotel complete with living room, kitchen, separate bedroom with a king sized bed to die for, lovely bath facilities, 24 hour concierge, etc. all for.... drum roll please....  $99US per night!  And I didn't even mention Senior Discount.  BTW there are two nice hotels at the Uyuni Salar and they are building two more within 1/2 mile.  I think one of the new ones is $35US/night.
3. EASY TO GET TO - Okay that's four words ("And it depends on whut the meanin' of 'easy' is, Monica!  Ah nevuh sayid I wuz easy!").  And #2 can help overcome the lack of #3.
More to follow, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 08, 2017, 02:03:25 AM
Okay, one more (and hopefully the last )pass on how to pronounce Uyuni.  I've been giving it some thought and I think I can 'splain it like this.
You renew a magazine subscription.  Well take how you pronounce the "ew" part of "renew" and add you-knee so that it sounds like ew-you-knee.  PHEW, I hope that's it.
2nd item-I'm heading to B'ville soon as I get home to give my deceased crew chief, Mike Van Doren, one last pass.  I could use someone to drive the push truck and then meet me for pickup at The Big End.  I'm going to line up early on Course 1 so hopefully I'll be car #1, 2, or 3 right after the driver's meeting.
Lemmee know, okay?


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Roadkinglsr on August 08, 2017, 06:08:30 AM
We will be in Thursday, we can help.   Let me know.   317-902-0925


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 08, 2017, 08:20:35 AM
Hard salt notwithstanding, Jim, they taught us in radio broadcast school to pronounce the word "new" as "nyoo".  "It;\'s time for the Nyews", NOT "It's time for the nooze."

That'll wreak havoc with your pronunciation guide.  Sorry.  So what you want us to say is

Noo - yew- knee

Right?


EDIT:  Crap I meant to say Oooh - yew - knee.  Sorry


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Sumner on August 08, 2017, 08:34:28 AM
From Mike Cook's facebook page:

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The event is completed..... Unfortunately, the Ack Attack came up short. Details are still sketchy. ... Ralph's new record is now 284 and change for the mile and 285 for the kilo, pending final ratification by the AMA/FIM officials.


Man I hated to read that.  Mike, Rocky and that whole crew have given so much to this sport  They have been examples of true competitors that would do and have done anything they could to progress the sport and along the way help fellow competitors.

Mike and the crew have put in a lot of work and expense into the trips to the salt in Australia and now Bolivia and all the trips to Bonneville.  They have always been well prepared and this last trip just shows how hard it is to do what they are trying to accomplish.

Still they are the current world record holders with an unbelievable speed for a motorcycle  :cheers: :cheers:.

Congrats to Al and Ralph, phenomenal speeds for sit-on bikes,

Sumner


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 08, 2017, 09:45:33 AM
Hard salt notwithstanding, Jim, they taught us in radio broadcast school to pronounce the word "new" as "nyoo".  "It;\'s time for the Nyews", NOT "It's time for the nooze."

That'll wreak havoc with your pronunciation guide.  Sorry.  So what you want us to say is

Noo - yew- knee

Right?

LOL. My downunda accent is struglynn with it too Mate! I keep coming up with you-you-Knee.
  Sid.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: jdincau on August 08, 2017, 10:06:43 AM
Rich and Stan... I ran faster on Muroc than I ever had at El Mirage by 4 mph. Boy if I could have my current combination and go back.
As for receiving anything; every entry recieved an ORANGE timing tag made special for Muroc. The SCTA was not going to make anything special for records because all classes were open. As I was the guy making the timing tags I put a capital R in parentheses behind the speed of those who did set record because of multiple entries in the same class. The second year I wrote the word Record behind the speed if a record was set.
Today these are the rarest of SCTA timing tags.
There was only a hump the first year going south to north. The next year west to east on a great course.

Enough of this....I hope we get to read and see a lot more of Bolivia in Land Racings future....
We have one of those tags. Year was 2000, on our first pass a big gust of wind came up and Russ could no longer see the cones so he shut off, coasted through at 208 MPH and shazam Russ is a member of the Muroc 200MPH club. I don't remember if he got a hat but we did get a sticker for the car.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: racefanwfo on August 08, 2017, 10:44:31 AM
So after all the hype and all the fanfair ack the fastest motorcycle streamliner in the world could not even put a decent speed number on the board and now they are done whats up with that.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: Stan Back on August 08, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
Yeah!  What's up with that!

Don't they know that the faster they go the easier it gets?
I'm sure they went down there just to pisz you off.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: tauruck on August 08, 2017, 01:53:34 PM
So after all the hype and all the fanfair ack the fastest motorcycle streamliner in the world could not even put a decent speed number on the board and now they are done whats up with that.
Altitude maybe?. Everything else was perfect from what I read. If this game was easy I'd have a record already!!!! :cheers:


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: ggl205 on August 08, 2017, 03:44:53 PM
Maybe I got my wires crossed but wasn't the bike that earned an FIM record normally aspirated? Less horsepower but also less air resistance? Was nitrous used?

John


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: joea on August 08, 2017, 03:57:14 PM
all the records in Bolivia were FIM sanctioned and official once ratified

the NA Aprilia ran 6 mph faster in Bolivia that Bonneville normally aspirated,
so all the "experts" way off on their predictions about that...

the Aprilia then used nitrous to go a bit over 200 mph two way average...



Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: SPARKY on August 08, 2017, 04:11:00 PM
RFWFO---you must be a couch potato racer or have a personal vendetta or some other nonsense---you have no knowledge of LSR


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 08, 2017, 07:41:05 PM
Yeah!  What's up with that!

Don't they know that the faster they go the easier it gets?
I'm sure they went down there just to pisz you off.

There's our Stan!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
  Sid.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: jimmy six on August 08, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
Racerfanwfo: normally I just think this but this time I'll say it "are you this much of an a--hole all the time."


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: thawley on August 09, 2017, 03:49:45 PM
From Mike Cook's facebook page:
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The event is completed..... Unfortunately, the Ack Attack came up short. Details are still sketchy. ... Ralph's new record is now 284 and change for the mile and 285 for the kilo, pending final ratification by the AMA/FIM officials.

Man I hated to read that.  Mike, Rocky and that whole crew have given so much to this sport  They have been examples of true competitors that would do and have done anything they could to progress the sport and along the way help fellow competitors.

Mike and the crew have put in a lot of work and expense into the trips to the salt in Australia and now Bolivia and all the trips to Bonneville.  They have always been well prepared and this last trip just shows how hard it is to do what they are trying to accomplish.

I googled around last night looking for reports. The most detailed were all in Spanish. If Google translate is to be trusted, one story mentioned Ack Attack's turbo manifold "blew up." Compensating for altitude with more boost? Whatever. Perhaps the bigger issue the story mentioned was their shipping container arriving 3 days late, leaving them only 2 days to run.

Sad to hear. But all very believable.


Title: Re: Bolivia
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on August 09, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
Don't know about the "turbo blew up" story, because I had to leave early.  But I will definitely confirm the container arrived late, essentially the morning of the 5th.  Here is a pic of it being unloaded at 9:00 AM on that day.