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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => 2017 and before: SW & WF => SpeedWeek 2017 => Topic started by: velocity on June 30, 2017, 12:15:30 AM
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Interested parties are asked to visit:
www.savethesalt.org
for an important announcement about the 2017 racing season.
Speedy Regards. . .
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Not sure what to make of this initiative. Somehow, I don't feel that salt on the racers' soles has contributed to the present sad situation? :?
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For sure not anywhere near as much as the mining but if the racers show they are doing everything they possibly can to turn the current trend around the high bucks interests and BLM lose an excuse, puts the medicine ball back in their hands.
Ed
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The problem is millions of tons. This is tens of pounds. Purely symbolic. More of a "Feel good" than effective action.
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The only thing that is going to move The BLM to stop the mining and restore millions of tons of Salt to the North Side; is for us moved is a few politicians. The only thing that is going to move politicians is money or public opinion and fear of losing votes.
This is trying to move public opinion. The Serria Club is the master---we could learn from them---nearly everyone has a ADMIRE/HATE opinion of them.
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There are only two ways for the salt to leave the flats, runoff & ground water pumping (Slurry Mining) to the mine & being carried out by vehicles. There is no natural runoff & that's the reason the salt flats was formed.
Would somebody within STS or The Alliance or anybody else for that matter care to estimate the loss percentage difference between those two??
Sid.
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Sid....the USGS study on save the salt site "documents" says
around 55,000,000 tons salt removed just from 1960 to 1988
if say 15 lbs lost per vehicle...1960's and 70's likely less than 800 vehicles
who knows...if it was 800 vehicles at 15 lbs each, equals 12,000 lbs , so 6 tons per year over 28 yrs equals 168 tons vs 55,000,000 lost over same time per the usgs study......as simple example.....not meant to be exact potrayal of reality...!!!!
0.0003 % so about 3 ten thousandth of one percent....
but hey....its a positive contribution...right...?
a bit like a prius....
perceptions are important
disclaimer...
praise to "save the salt" busting their arses to help save Bonneville...
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Really this is going to make a HUGE difference to the conditions. :-o Is this the best the coalition can come up with? The washing stations prior to leaving the salt are already there to help those who want to clean the salt off upon leaving. How about the real problem causing this issue be dealt with good grief!
Here's a thought start getting the piles of salt from the South side of the highway relocated to the North side where it originally came from! Not an easy task but one that needs to be done now that would be real progress.
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RonnieRoadster, please feel free to explain to us what you have been doing to save the salt?
Perhaps you should look at this very small initiative at something like a death by a thousand cuts. While this proposal save the salt flats by itself....no...but its a cut.
RCKirby
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RonnieRoadster, please feel free to explain to us what you have been doing to save the salt?
Perhaps you should look at this very small initiative at something like a death by a thousand cuts. While this proposal save the salt flats by itself....no...but its a cut.
RCKirby
Gee glad you asked well lets see I have purchased save the salt stickers going so far back that I have scraped a number of vehicles I put them on because they were so old and tired. Each opportunity I get I donate cash to the cause.
BUT the real issue should be at least return the salt that's been saved on the other side of the highway why is it when someone dares to say that they begin to be attacked am I missing something here? Must the salt be purchased before its returned? Please explain this to me.
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Ronnieroadster,
I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you...I'm old and would probably loose.
You wrote..."Here's a thought start getting the piles of salt from the South side of the highway relocated to the North side where it originally came from!"
Do you think the Alliance is unaware of this? You respond as though you think that after all the blood, sweat and tears the Alliance has put in...this is their solution.
This initiative is not their answer to the problem, just a 'small' step along with meeting Utah congressional representatives on the salt last year as well as meeting with the BLM, University of Utah and Intrepid and a multitude of other 'small' things. Moving a mountain of bureaucracy is difficult and requires dogged determination....something racers have plenty of.
Please outline your unique plan to get the salt back to the north side. I'll give you the last word....
RCKirby
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LEARN from the Sierra Club--------PUBLICITY ------TURN up the HEAT---only NEGATIVE PUBLICITY moves POLS and Mining Companies---neither are our friends NOW---- WE have to become the good guys trying everything we can to save a National Treasure ----Turn up the heat we can not compete with the Mining Companies and there jobs----We have to become undisputed authorities on MINING Law and Leases (The Sierra Club is) and how to generate Publicity that will get picked up across the USA!!!!!!!!
OUR goal this year should be No SALT ON CARPETS in hotels!!!!!!!!
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the goal of no salt..on hotel floors... is becoming very achievable...
not as fast as the... no salt on the bonneville playa floor....but close...
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joe :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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If the mining companies continue to remove the salt, how much longer can they stay in business? The end is near for them if they don't stop.
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When the profit margin goes away they will stop mining.
Sid.
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When the profit margin goes away they will stop mining.
Sid.
Yep, and then they will walk away as there is nothing in their contracts that says they have to return the salt :cry: :cry: :cry:.
I'm also at the point where playing nice with them and the BLM expecting them to see reason is past. Things need to go to some other level, not that I could lay that out :cry:, but as Sparky mentioned some other groups have been successful in situations not all that different than this,
Sumner
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In the vein on not playing nice---we ought to be compiling a list of the money that was paid to the universities and professors who accepted PAY for published results---sounds like pay for play to me---they all --individually and Collectively --should be held liable for their part in this false science propaganda charade that has been going on for nearly 60 years---they should have to help pay for Restoring to Preserve the B'Ville Salt Flats!!
They were complicit in mining the Salt Flats out of existence!! I bet the Serria Club would not keep their head buried in what left of the salt.
They would go after everybody local homeboys included if we want Salt to race on we can no longer be nice guys!!
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Saw this in the mail this morning.
"Bowen said her team has no scientific data showing the salt water pumping is an effective method of growing the surface crust. "
http://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2017/08/12/u-researcher-human-activity-racing-included-is-shrinking-the-bonneville-salt-flats/
Sam
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I can see it now---they will stop the racing---do another study and come back and say yep there is no more salt being transported to the local highways and motel lobbies --- therefore it must have been those dam racers that were making the salt crust go away----not the mining of brine by the millions of tons!!!!!!!
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Saw this in the mail this morning.
"Bowen said her team has no scientific data showing the salt water pumping is an effective method of growing the surface crust. "
http://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2017/08/12/u-researcher-human-activity-racing-included-is-shrinking-the-bonneville-salt-flats/
Sam
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Wow!! They spend more time implying that the racers might be responsible in that article than the effects of mining. I can't believe it, what a crock of shit. I'll bet she does a report on how much salt leaves the surface every year on racer's cars and shoes but never gives a comparison to what leaves via the mining,
Sumner
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In the text, BLM mouthpiece said nothing will change until Dr. Bowen's report is done.
Apparently, we DO need Dr. Bowen. Despite comments to the contrary.
I was quite pleased that (another) geologist agrees the Salt Laydown is a FARCE!
Sam
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I'm guessing the geologist was told that those railroad cars I've seen for 45 years are just for storage.
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Temporary only until they were emptied at a different location. :-( :-(
Ron
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If sneaking salt off of the flats is a problem an inspection of
each person can be implemented. There are fewer people
leaving Bonneville than board airplanes daily. Most are
over 65. That means they wouldn't need to remove their
shoes and even with the inspection the salt would just
pass away and still exceed the inspection requirements.
It's no wonder we can't generate a solution.
FREUD
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I'll admit it -- I took some salt for the sidewalks this winter. But -- I did it over in front of the potash plant, right on the roadside where it's apparently spill. And I took something less than a five-gallon bucket of it.
Geez, I hope I''m not i trouble. :dhorse: