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Title: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: distributorguy on April 24, 2017, 03:57:51 PM
I received my new rule book last week. 
1. Question:   Why are the updates/changes not called out in a way that makes life a little easier for everyone?  Obviously, I enjoy sitting down and reading this thing cover to cover over and over and over so I can spot the changes, but a "cheat sheet" page calling out rule numbers or at least section numbers would be a handy addition.  Anyone else feel this way?
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: RichFox on April 24, 2017, 04:17:57 PM
As on page 64, changes are in bold print.In past years this has been the way changes were made apparent. i haven't looked at the whole book, but I would hope that is carried over throughout.
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: Stan Back on April 24, 2017, 04:25:14 PM
They are in bold print.  Take a look throughout.  And you don't have to read the whole book, just the parts that apply to your entry.
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: ronnieroadster on April 24, 2017, 06:05:18 PM
Wish someone proof read the names to go along with the car records set in 2016! Seems my sons name is listed for the two records the San Giovanni family set in 2016 with our rear engine modifeid roadster. However dad {thats me} set the gas record my son set the fuel record.  :roll:
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: Stainless1 on April 24, 2017, 06:54:33 PM
S here J there..... send Dan or Stan a note and they can be corrected by next year's book... the S and J are sorted on the 16 SW results, but they are J's on the website records.... yea... shoulda looked earlier, they can get the web records fixed.
Or just re-set them higher this year  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: ronnieroadster on April 24, 2017, 10:35:19 PM
 Good idea Stainless 1 I will send Stan a PM. Since we are waiting for the record certificate and timing tag from last years event hopefully those items will be correct.
    Now about re-setting them higher this year after all the time and expense involved doing it last year Im not so sure about that.    :roll:
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: Stainless1 on April 25, 2017, 10:09:40 AM
It's only money.... small price for all that fame and fortune  :roll:  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: dw230 on April 25, 2017, 10:14:55 PM
Page 5, last paragraph. Reminds us that changes are in bold print.

DW
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: Billy @ AHG on April 26, 2017, 10:46:07 PM
I am curious as to why rule changes , as shown in bold print, are not found in section 4 (Definitions) . Here's an example, we run in a production class, this year we are allowed "Frame clips". Go to section 4 for a description of a "Frame clip" .
 I even went to the rear porch of Funk&Wagnalls , and in the mythical Mason jar , was no description of "Frame Clip". What now ?
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: MRK on April 27, 2017, 12:19:43 PM
I am curious as to why rule changes , as shown in bold print, are not found in section 4 (Definitions) . Here's an example, we run in a production class, this year we are allowed "Frame clips". Go to section 4 for a description of a "Frame clip" .
 I even went to the rear porch of Funk&Wagnalls , and in the mythical Mason jar , was no description of "Frame Clip". What now ?

That is a very good point and it will be tabled at the next rules meeting.
What is a frame clip? Check out this link to find out.....https://www.cachassisworks.com/c-240-frame-clips-front-weld-in.aspx
Cheers
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: dw230 on April 27, 2017, 12:57:19 PM
There you go. But, instead of Mike doing your homework give it atry yourself. Might be fun.

DW
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: distributorguy on April 28, 2017, 01:41:00 PM
Thanks guys!  I missed the line on page 5.  I miss a lot of stuff... :dhorse:
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: Billy @ AHG on May 02, 2017, 01:45:12 PM
There you go. But, instead of Mike doing your homework give it atry yourself. Might be fun.

DW
Dan, did you think I was kidding when I said I looked it up in the dictionary ?
It does not matter what my source says, Its what YOUR (SCTA) source says ! Example , I thought I knew what a shatterproof headlight cover was , and we all know how that went.  Thanks , RT
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: dw230 on May 02, 2017, 10:20:54 PM
Alston or Mark Williams may have front clips in there catalogs, with pictures.
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: Stainless1 on May 02, 2017, 10:27:49 PM
The way it reads, it looks like a PU can have a front clip and a rear clip... just must retain original frame under the cab.
Lakester rules are so much easier....  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: Billy @ AHG on May 05, 2017, 09:58:58 AM
Alston or Mark Williams may have front clips in there catalogs, with pictures.


 Here's my point, Now any gearhead from 10 years old up knows what a frame clip is. I have built hot rods and cruisers using 'clips' . but until its defined in the rule book , it's hearsay . Remember when they mandated "Window safety film" but refused to give a description or specs. that was a mess.  :dhorse:
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: MRK on May 05, 2017, 11:00:38 AM
Alston or Mark Williams may have front clips in there catalogs, with pictures.


 Here's my point, Now any gearhead from 10 years old up knows what a frame clip is. I have built hot rods and cruisers using 'clips' . but until its defined in the rule book , it's hearsay . Remember when they mandated "Window safety film" but refused to give a description or specs. that was a mess.  :dhorse:

Your point is understood and as I stated previously, it will be tabled at the next meeting of the rules committee and a definition included in the 2018 rule book. An oversight for sure but as you state above, "Now any gearhead from 10 years old up knows what a frame clip is" so hopefully whoever decides to "clip" their truck will be older than 10 and build or use a suitable frame clip that passes tech. Hopefully, whoever does decide to modify their vehicle consults with the truck committee before making the modifications.
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: dw230 on May 05, 2017, 11:37:15 AM
This post leads me wonder how many items in the rule book are unknown to the builders. If an item like frame clip, which has been in the book for years, is confusing what else is out there?

DW
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: Billy @ AHG on May 17, 2017, 12:20:04 PM
Are you referring to section 2-C ?  Now this helps to define the issue of frames in general. But you have to combine Specifications and class restrictions for a clear understanding .  Do I have this correct ?  Seems it could have been done much more simply. Like including a description in section 4.
OK, I'm putting this to bed. thanks Mike and Dan .
RT
Title: Re: 2017 Rule book!
Post by: distributorguy on July 09, 2017, 09:34:52 AM
Its funny how every motorsports group builds their own vocabulary to define rules & regulations. 
If you're not "in the know" it may seem very ambiguous and foreign. 
If you wrote the rules, you may not understand why others would have questions.   :cheers: