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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Build Diaries => Topic started by: 27D/MFR on December 31, 2016, 08:09:29 PM
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First post with my first LSR project. 27 Ford D/FMR for 2018 SW (we'll see). Squared my chassis jig and tacked in my first cross members today. Any Tulsa folks need to come over and offer assistance (for beer of course). Please feel free to offer any advice.
Dan
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Dan, lemme give you some advice. The offer of beer for help is great, but you're talking about asking a bunch of yay-hoos that are really good at drinking beer while telling you how to build your car. See if you can get them to offer to bring beer for you and them when they come to help. Make 'em treasure the fact that yo'll let them in on such an awesome project.
Yeah. Really. Give it a try, at least.
Welcome to the world of having a build diary on the Forum.
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If you ever make it up to Wichita there are several projects going on up here.... let me know in advance and I will try to set up a tour...
Next time I plan to be in Tulsa I will contact you.... what kind of beer do you have :-o Just checking to see if I need to bring some... I only drink beer, not much of a flavored water guy... :roll:
:cheers:
We trust you are working from a rulebook
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I only drink beer, not much of a flavored water guy... :roll: :cheers:
Just a heads up, Stainless don't like IPA no matter how good it is. :?
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Looks like a nice set up. I see a SBC sitting there so it must be a Chevy "D". I am a Chevy D motor guy as well. Nothing weak about those frame rails! Enjoy the build, I'll enjoy following it.
BR
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Rulebook - check
Beers that drink like a meal (e.g., stouts, porters, etc.) - check
Happy New Years!!
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PM sent.
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There's a pretty good chance you're building a D/FMR & not a D/MFR. :roll:
Sid.
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Haha, I noticed that after the fact! Oh well.
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LOL, see if Dan (aka DW) will start a new class for ya? :-D :-D
Sid.
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That fixture looks barly stout enough...........ooops..Thursday, Not Friday..sorry. :cheers:
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That fixture looks barly stout enough...........ooops..Thursday, Not Friday..sorry. :cheers:
Jerry, That means you are on the right thread :cheers:
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Dan, this place is full of jokers & I am one of them but in the same breath this is the friendliest & most helpful forum....period. Don't be afraid to ask for advice, LSR cars are a different animal (so are the people :roll:) that have different needs, especially on the salt.
What venues do you plan on running?
Sid.
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Looks good Dan. All the best with the build. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Mike.
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......and welcome to the forum....I shant sully up any more of your build diary with bad humor. So...when it comes time to prepare the cyl. heads...Who will be your .......Porter ???? :cheers:
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There is a picture of my father when he was a teenager just before WWII where he lived in Tulsa. He is in his Model B Ford with the top chopped off. There is a long history of Ford hot-rodding in that town.
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Looks like you have a good start, enjoy the build.
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I do this every time someone starts a modified roadster so sorry if this is repeating myself. I am attaching pics of the most successful modified roadster that has ever ran. It now holds or has held at one time every modified roadster record from E to AA and several blown records. If you want to go fast copy these guys or build a "belly scraper" style and chase them. The first pics shows the car, not one of your real "beautiful" cars but the second pic is a beautiful pic especially if it is on your car!
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Note, if you will, that the first photo was taken in (obviously) Impound. That tells ya somethin' right there, doesn't it?
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I don't think they bother to actually maintain a usual pit any more.
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I do this every time someone starts a modified roadster so sorry if this is repeating myself. I am attaching pics of the most successful modified roadster that has ever ran. It now holds or has held at one time every modified roadster record from E to AA and several blown records. If you want to go fast copy these guys or build a "belly scraper" style and chase them. The first pics shows the car, not one of your real "beautiful" cars but the second pic is a beautiful pic especially if it is on your car!
It never gets old with me Rex, I don't believe in the salt scraper theory either!
Sid.
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I do this every time someone starts a modified roadster so sorry if this is repeating myself. I am attaching pics of the most successful modified roadster that has ever ran. It now holds or has held at one time every modified roadster record from E to AA and several blown records. If you want to go fast copy these guys or build a "belly scraper" style and chase them. The first pics shows the car, not one of your real "beautiful" cars but the second pic is a beautiful pic especially if it is on your car!
Those are my sons Kevin & Ryan, we chase those Contrivance guys. They are REAL GOOD. We were just try'in to see how SMALL a '23 T was compaired to a '27. More to it than that but frontal is substantially small with a 23T.
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Enjoying reading everyone's posts. Made some progress yesterday bending and tacking in some tubing. I'm trying to have it ready for SW 2018 (venue question).
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Wobbly,
Yes there is a Yuge (Bernie) hot rodding/racing presence in T-Town. My first job in high school was working summers for Steve Carbone tearing engines down and washing parts. Also back in my younger years, I used to deliver parts and hang out with Bennie Osborn and his dad Jack. Lesser known but still a cool guy is Mike Brown, a junior fuel dragster driver who was a customer of mine when I owned a store in Sapulpa, OK. There are many others that I can't think of at the moment.
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How does the song go? "I never been to heaven but I been to Oklahoma!" Got several great friends there and have always enjoyed visiting them. Nice progress on your roadster,keep the pics coming.
Rex
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I really like your jig. I've built a couple almost identical to that when I worked for other people but I always used I beam for the cross pieces on top. I really like your use of steel angle and I like your stops to locate the rails. Great work so far. I'm definitely keeping a watch on this one. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Pete
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Thanks for the comments.
I bought those little clamps and the little c-clamps on Amazon for almost nothing. Not the best quality but for the price..... I have to maintain some semblance of a budget. Lol, for years when my wife sends me to Home Depot or Lowes, I sneak in the purchase of a small tool (files, wire strippers, clamps, etc.). Needless to say, I've been busted many times!
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Let's see -- would I rather be busted for a new pair of diagonal clippers --
Or a new set of Brodix heads?
Next question? :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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I think there is as much help in the rear deck as the front
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More mocking up. This time the body, rearend, and the engine/trans. Found an issue of the number 1 and 2 exhausts being too close to the top rail. I may have to put a dip in the rail to clear the headers/zoomies.
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More...
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Still more......
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Last group for the eve...
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Lookin good, but it looks like the engine could go back some and put more weight on rear tires. As long as you can get the heads off or mag if chev.
JL222
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JL,
I may do that. Originally when I was dreaming this sucker up, I envisioned having the midplate be the firewall but the transmission really takes up a ton of the drivers area. Along with weighing the rear, moving it back would also help the header issue.
Questions for yall:
-Having read post here where folks have informed others to make the drivers area roomy, I made my shoulder rail 22" inside to inside wide. As it stands, I don't have to contort my shoulders (w/ heavy coat) at all to fit between. My concern is with the roll cage being too wide at the base. Any thoughts?
-Plane of crankshaft is parallel with the frame rails and the trans pan (Overdrive GM auto) is now angled as originally it was designed to be in a car where the powertrain was angled back. Is this an issue?
Thanks,
Dan
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If the lower seat pan needs to me tightened up, just go to bald spot sports and order a small or medium seat foam seat pour. Suite up, have someone pour a seat, carve it up to fit the way you want and install the nomex covering. http://baldspotsports.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=33&product_id=50 (http://baldspotsports.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=33&product_id=50)
my 2 cents
BR
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Moving the engine rearward to the firewall would not gain you any significant advantage vs. ease of maintenance & driver comfort as you are going to need to add a lot of rear weight with a good D engine on fuel (even only straight alky). Plus you'll want the weight on the front to preserve good handling.
vic
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Moving the engine rearward to the firewall would not gain you any significant advantage vs. ease of maintenance & driver comfort as you are going to need to add a lot of rear weight with a good D engine on fuel (even only straight alky). Plus you'll want the weight on the front to preserve good handling.
vic
Ditto!
Sid.
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If you are planning to run a dry sump oil system then you could drop the engine almost to the very bottom of the main rails which would help you with the headers. Please don't use Zoomies at least in the classic definition, you don't need the down force, that is why God invented ballast for salt racers, check out the headers on the Contrivance Engineering car, straight out of the port, all in one plane and with a turn at the end to get some thrust then covers over the headers with an aero tail on the last pipe. Effective and low drag! See pic.
Rex
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Love that exhaust! Thanks for the picture.
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Moving the engine rearward to the firewall would not gain you any significant advantage vs. ease of maintenance & driver comfort as you are going to need to add a lot of rear weight with a good D engine on fuel (even only straight alky). Plus you'll want the weight on the front to preserve good handling.
vic
Ditto!
Sid.
As far as weight on front, its not even a rear engine roadster.
JL222
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It looks like it is using a good chunk of the wheelbase allowance that is shared by both front and rear engined roadsters. To perform in the 800 -950 flywheel hp area it'll need to weigh 4k # +. My experience with our rear engined car is to keep front weight close to 35% of total to preserve comfortable handling. Above 265 mph I don't yet know. For comparison, the car in my avatar is 175 1/2" wb (wish I'd originally built it to the max 190). Front vs rear engined mod roadsters are much more similar in handling than, say, a front engined mod roadster vs a short wheelbase Camaro.
vic
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You are correct sir, the wheelbase is 183" and change. I originally thought about making it a rear engined roadster but I couldn't figure out how to do the transition of what is essentially a rear engine dragster to a roadster. Anthony Young (#54) did a nice job but the front end looks to wide for my liking. That car was the first car I ever saw make a run as 2013 was the first time I went to SW. Nitro injected hemi smelled and sounded so good.
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It looks like it is using a good chunk of the wheelbase allowance that is shared by both front and rear engined roadsters. To perform in the 800 -950 flywheel hp area it'll need to weigh 4k # +. My experience with our rear engined car is to keep front weight close to 35% of total to preserve comfortable handling. Above 265 mph I don't yet know. For comparison, the car in my avatar is 175 1/2" wb (wish I'd originally built it to the max 190). Front vs rear engined mod roadsters are much more similar in handling than, say, a front engined mod roadster vs a short wheelbase Camaro.
vic
35% front or 65% rear that's what Carroll Smith suggest for a race car to be competitive and in the book
"The 1000 hp Formula 1 Cars'' some tried 62% and had to go back to 65%
JL222
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Carroll was referring to road-racing cars where weight is needed on the rear wheels for traction under acceleration but weight transfer to the front is experienced under heavy braking. The 35% becomes 50% and the 65% becomes 50%.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Carroll was referring to road-racing cars where weight is needed on the rear wheels for traction under acceleration but weight transfer to the front is experienced under heavy braking. The 35% becomes 50% and the 65% becomes 50%.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Yea traction to rear wheels for acceleration or lose race.
65% for Bville is a start if possible. Someday forum members '' including me '' will know the real % on rear wheels of some of these fast roadsters, coupes ECT.
JL222