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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => 2017 and before: SW & WF => SpeedWeek 2016 => Topic started by: WestCoastChris on August 14, 2016, 05:07:37 PM
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http://www.scta-bni.org/sw-race-results.html (http://www.scta-bni.org/sw-race-results.html)
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Given the fact we are in the 21st and all this technology around us, shame on these guys for not being able to live post all times to their SCTA website... Database linking isn't really that hard, not sure why its not being done.... Despite discrepancies, those can always be fixed later or on the fly. Maybe the wrong folks are in charge of the technology. :dhorse:
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Given the fact we are in the 21st and all this technology around us, shame on these guys for not being able to live post all times to their SCTA website... Database linking isn't really that hard, not sure why its not being done.... Despite discrepancies, those can always be fixed later or on the fly. Maybe the wrong folks are in charge of the technology. :dhorse:
I'm going to sound like the mean guy here, and please don't take this personally, but to anybody who thinks any of this is easy -
It might seem easy - but think about this -
We're talking about a crew of volunteers who show up at oh-god thirty in the morning to facilitate an event with 650 participants, work until sundown on a blazing hot salt pan, go back to their hotel/camper/tent, and get up the next day and do it all again.
This event would die if not for the volunteers, and transcribing down runs for those of us unfortunate, or unlucky enough, or simply unable to show up is a low priority.
I think that the down runs were posted at all on Sunday for Saturday's racing is nothing short of miraculous.
Regarding discrepancies, this is a sport that lives and dies by numbers. Personally, I'd rather see an accurate accounting later than mistakes crossed out in retrospect.
As to the wrong folks in charge - they're always looking for volunteers.
Yes, instant numbers would be nice. But accurate accounting is paramount.
It's really not as easy as it seems.
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....yep - always looking for volunteers. SaltGremlin, if there is something you can do to help, it would be greatly appreciated.
Steve.
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What MM stated is most certainly true. But perhaps there's more than one way to skin a cat.
I also run SCCA solo (autocross) events. Even at the Regional level, we have "live timing" in which results are available online within seconds of run completion. It's all volunteer, too. At the National level there are a few SCCA employees, but it's at least 95% volunteers/participants.
Granted, they only have about 80 different classes, and only one (vs. four or seven) time per run is posted. I guess the key is that everything is automated, and it requires no input from anybody for it to show up. If something along these lines could be arranged, I think that would be a win-win situation. Maybe it could be posted to some website with ads so SCTA-BNI could even make a buck.
Another problem we have this year would seem to be the "Ron-Jon Show". Jon's doing fine there, but it means he's not available to post results on the web site*.
I'm still waiting to find out if Speed Demon got a record or not. It sounds like they couldn't (weren't allowed to?) run past the 4 on Saturday, and the speed I heard on the radio for their record run (mile 3 to 4) on Sunday may not have been enough. Their 4 to 5 and exit speed on Sunday was good, but ineligible, I believe.
Jeff in Boise
* P.S. Jon: I talked to the Joint Venture crew on Saturday, and they're no longer running a DD 16V92. They said Mercedes bought DD and they're running the new Mercedes version (still a V-16). It's supposed to be a clean-burning type, so it'll no longer blot out the sun!
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I'm still waiting to find out if Speed Demon got a record or not. It sounds like they couldn't (weren't allowed to?) run past the 4 on Saturday, and the speed I heard on the radio for their record run (mile 3 to 4) on Sunday may not have been enough. Their 4 to 5 and exit speed on Sunday was good, but ineligible, I believe.
Jeff in Boise
I've just been listening to Sunday's audio to try to work out the same thing.
Trying to read my own writing, I think Speed Demon II ran 382.448 mph (Saturday) and 379.470 mph (Sunday) for the 4th mile so no record. Speed for the 5th mile on Saturday was 291.311 mph and 410.357 mph on Sunday, so again no record.
Does Sunday's 410 count as a qualifier? If so did they get a record this morning?
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Given the fact we are in the 21st and all this technology around us, shame on these guys for not being able to live post all times to their SCTA website... Database linking isn't really that hard, not sure why its not being done.... Despite discrepancies, those can always be fixed later or on the fly. Maybe the wrong folks are in charge of the technology. :dhorse:
I'm going to sound like the mean guy here, and please don't take this personally, but to anybody who thinks any of this is easy -
It might seem easy - but think about this -
We're talking about a crew of volunteers who show up at oh-god thirty in the morning to facilitate an event with 650 participants, work until sundown on a blazing hot salt pan, go back to their hotel/camper/tent, and get up the next day and do it all again.
This event would die if not for the volunteers, and transcribing down runs for those of us unfortunate, or unlucky enough, or simply unable to show up is a low priority.
I think that the down runs were posted at all on Sunday for Saturday's racing is nothing short of miraculous.
Regarding discrepancies, this is a sport that lives and dies by numbers. Personally, I'd rather see an accurate accounting later than mistakes crossed out in retrospect.
As to the wrong folks in charge - they're always looking for volunteers.
Yes, instant numbers would be nice. But accurate accounting is paramount.
It's really not as easy as it seems.
Couldn't agree more.
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Right....
Well when it's NOT really open information regarding what proprietary timing hardware/software is being used. It's hard for me or OTHERS to even consider helping. I'd personally love to review what is being used. Again we are in the 21st, the ability to even export/import a simple .csv file. Goodness, are you still in the cave? But, feel free to continue talking out your a55, whoever is volunteering RIGHT NOW, really sucks! Just calling a spade a spade. And while I'm @ it, whoever is managing the IT (information technology) Sucks A55 too!
I understand, it is what it is. But woa! :|
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Thanks.
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Right....
Well when it's NOT really open information regarding what proprietary timing hardware/software is being used. It's hard for me or OTHERS to even consider helping. I'd personally love to review what is being used. Again we are in the 21st, the ability to even export/import a simple .csv file. Goodness, are you still in the cave? But, feel free to continue talking out your a55, whoever is volunteering RIGHT NOW, really sucks! Just calling a spade a spade. And while I'm @ it, whoever is managing the IT (information technology) Sucks A55 too!
I understand, it is what it is. But woa! :|
Have you even been to the salt?
It is a tough place to work on an computer.
Plus these guys are on vacation. They want to see some of the action.
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Going since 86.... :? Racing/driving my own ride since 2004... Computers? NO problem man......... ALL DAY! There is a thing called multitasking, my god! imagine that.... Nice try in justification. NO offence SLIM, you do the best you can, I can clearly see this man! So in that same token, you do MORE THEN MOST EVER DO! SO my hats off to you! Maybe more folks should take a cue from you! I've been around long enough to know this SITE itself was the brain child of an AMo... So tell me what do I know....
Nevertheless, all that BS still doesn't really deal with the original issue... 'Live posting' or even an '.cvs web dumb' (at night when winding down in-town), I mean, what the hell?? ALL TO MANY IDEAS, someone can even write a quick script to do all the leg work. Kind of pisses me off to know what is available @our fingertips yet, none of it is utilized. Great job jacking off guys...
It's like the 200mph club website...... NICE use of 'IT', and member(s) pay 60 per year for that 10+year old garbage. We deserve a webcart, I'm not filling out a form then mailing/faxing it in for my 2club crap or other swag. Right!!................. get #$@$*@ real, infact, I'll keep my yearly 60, because I feel it does NOONE any good. Yea, I'd crack a F$#king whip like none other. Tell me about volunteer time, get real. Everyone is a potential VOLUNTEER inside the life of a hobby you LOVE! NO excuses really.......
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Saltgremlin, most of us don't have a clue about the procedures you're talking about. Instead of criticizing those who are trying from your throne above why don't you come down and offer some of your expertise.
Pete
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Going since 86.... :? Racing/driving my own ride since 2004... Computers? NO problem man......... ALL DAY! There is a thing called multitasking, my god! imagine that.... Nice try in justification. NO offence SLIM, you do the best you can, I can clearly see this man! So in that same token, you do MORE THEN MOST EVER DO! SO my hats off to you! Maybe more folks should take a cue from you! I've been around long enough to know this SITE itself was the brain child of an AMo... So tell me what do I know....
Nevertheless, all that BS still doesn't really deal with the original issue... 'Live posting' or even an '.cvs web dumb' (at night when winding down in-town), I mean, what the hell?? ALL TO MANY IDEAS, someone can even write a quick script to do all the leg work. Kind of pisses me off to know what is available @our fingertips yet, none of it is utilized. Great job jacking off guys...
It's like the 200mph club website...... NICE use of 'IT', and member(s) pay 60 per year for that 10+year old garbage. We deserve a webcart, I'm not filling out a form then mailing/faxing it in for my 2club crap or other swag. Right!!................. get #$@$*@ real, infact, I'll keep my yearly 60, because I feel it does NOONE any good. Yea, I'd crack a F$#king whip like none other. Tell me about volunteer time, get real. Everyone is a potential VOLUNTEER inside the life of a hobby you LOVE! NO excuses really.......
ya can "bleat" all you want behind I screen name,, "Action" mate, I see you know the technology, words are words, get your accru out there an prove it :roll:
I'm gratefull that I sit in my dining room just about as far away as anyone can get in this world from Bonneville, look at a screen and not only see pictures from an hour ago, but also listen live to the action,, heck, in 86 we here in Australia had to wait three months for the US magazines with the results to appear in the newsagents,, :cheers:
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:-o YOU say help.... Have offered many times, it's an old man's club. Either get ready to get on your knees, or you can't help! Honestly, I've offered to help many times. Maybe folks are just afraid the younger folks might oust them. IT Happens. AGAIN, OLD MAN's CLUB... IT IS! Defend that all you want. I've offered my services, no need to beg to help. AND I'll have you know, SHOULD I HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE, we'd be beyond 'live streaming' and 'LIVE web POSTING'. And the garbage website(s)(Albeit a slight improvement from the old site).... Just calling it as it is....
Tee, it's NOT 86 anymore, but yes I hear you. It's not bleat, when you're just calling a spade, A SPADE. Call it crying all you want. I'll call it hitting the nail on the head!! Get real man!!
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Don't forget that these volunteers haven't had any practice in the last 2 years. Maybe some new people also.
Jon, you do much more than most, and your efforts are truly appreciated!
Tom
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Gremlin:
Just do it! No excuses - just do it!
Get your ass out on the salt, set up your own computers, databases, live feed, .csv tables, MS Query reports, whatever. Just do it.
Get it done - everything else is just lip flapping.
Steve.
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+ 1 to Jesse, PJack and most others.
If it was easy, anyone could do it.
Sometimes , YOU GET ON THE SALT ; and those gremlins rear they're ugly heads.
Franey
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Back in the old days daily results were taped to the window at the old Stateline every evening. Granted,fewer vehicles and 1 course. Now 3 courses and more entrants. A person for each course,and enter EVERY run manualy into a computer as big as those shown in 1960's movies needed to get results. I don't like to wait till Wed.or Thur. to see Sun-Mon results either,but this is an amature setup,by people who care. What do I know about computers?,just enought to see/read porn. I read my salt porn here every night.
I remember when the radio was first on the air,and now it's on the net.so I can be states away and be there. Thanks Ron for all those years you've been on! Sounds like you've found a good partner. And thanks to everyone involved with the broadcast.
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Right Steve... Such a genius idea, and maybe a mystery link to timing system with flawless ease. Right, right, on it. Guess someone needs to 'flap their lips'.
It's like stirring the pot, no one likes it, but I'm going to go right ahead and do it anyhow.
Yea gremlins.... But corroborated properly in advance, very enjoyable things could happen.
It's not the sixties or eighties anymore. TRY 2016, and the things that can happing with the 'right people involved'. Could be pretty awesome!
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Remember when we had to wait for Hot Rod magazine to give us the story and some of the speeds?
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Saltgremlin, you're playing games. Until you have the balls to say who you really are and where you really live your opinions count for nothing. Keep hiding like the troll you are.
Pete
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Whew,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sounds like some one got an ex-lax mixed in their Monster Drink. :-o
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Poor peter, constrictive criticism in whatever caliber or fashion is fine by me. A 'FACE' or not, WHO CARES? I don't.... IT STILL is WHAT IT IS. Don't like it, TO BAD MAN!!! That just goes to show, I am right. So trolling..... Right. How old are you Mr. Armchair? Toughen up! Cute in your lil welding helmet tho! Keep those great ideas in your posts coming, they're brilliant!
Monster... speak of another nightmare...
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It seems the right time to hit the ignore button.
:-D
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The ignore button works great on trolls.....
Bill
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I got my hat, :-D do you?
anyhow this is perfect for the INTERNET archive 8-)
:dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse:
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I don't know Peter Jack... but it looks like a good look to me!
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Since we are starting the "what i look like in my helmet club' GAME -ON! :cheers:
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I also run SCCA solo (autocross) events. Even at the Regional level, we have "live timing" in which results are available online within seconds of run completion. It's all volunteer, too. At the National level there are a few SCCA employees, but it's at least 95% volunteers/participants.
Again, I'm not trying to beat anybody up, but think about it. Find me an SCCA event that doesn't have any infrastructure - and yes, parking lots for gymkhanas are infrastructure, but the SCTA-BNI folks use more traffic cones marking out the pits than any Gymkhana I've ever seen - that needs to groom its own roads for access, creates it's own 5 mile straightaways on government land within the time constraints weather and the BLM places upon it, moves those tracks laterally 50 feet a day in order to maintain a safe race surface, runs three courses simultaneously for a week with the nearest source of running water better than 5 miles away.
It's been a long time coming simply getting the audio feed up to snuff on a hot-spot.
Yes - all this technology would be nice, and while the logistics of doing it are at hand, unless somebody is prepared to take charge, fund and organize the folks to do it, it won't happen, because there's no real compelling reason to make it happen.
I got my hat, :-D do you?
Judging from what I read you write,
An extra small hat might fit too tight.
J. Beckham Norris - from Tales of the Lost Cause
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Really, that is the best you can do?
You made a few valid points although the way you made them was not fair to the hard working volunteers that make the SETA events happen. When challenged to get engaged and take on the project you state it so simplified and doable... you over played your hand. Then you attack people who challenge you for your harsh statements about people that put on our speed events by volunteering their own time... weeks of their own time. If you have ever been to the salt you would know that the majority of the volunteers are up there in years and a 14 hour day on the salt takes its toll.
Then when you attacked Peter Jack a good guy, talented fabricator and contributor to all on this site. I choose to add my two cents in support of Peter. The difference between me and you Mr. Saltgremlin is I am not afraid to show my face. Some could state that perhaps you showed us your best side in your photo. It is my opinion that anyone one with a "hat" would respect the organization that made that hat possible and would have to common sense to behave in a more appropriate manner. If you have not noticed we are here to share ideas, help each other, offer constructive criticism and promote the sport we all love. You Sir have accomplished nothing but demonstrate to us you are a coward.
BR
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Saltgremlin, please tell me -- why are you on this Forum? I honestly don't see how you are showing your interest in land speed racing, so please - either get with the program and shut the heck up with your complaints - or find another location to hassle.
We're here to race.
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Remember when we had to wait for Hot Rod magazine to give us the story and some of the speeds?
Usualy the Nov. edition then Dec. now almost nothing,except cars with salt on them at casino.
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Since we are starting the "what i look like in my helmet club' GAME -ON!...
That's a lot of face/head coverage to protect you from one lone cigarette... :lol:
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Those Kitchen photos on the SCTA website sure are nice. There is rain coming out of some of those clouds and it evaporates before it gets down to the ground.
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Saltgremlin, please tell me -- why are you on this Forum? I honestly don't see how you are showing your interest in land speed racing, so please - either get with the program and shut the heck up with your complaints - or find another location to hassle.
We're here to race.
SSS,
One thing I learned from my father, and my other mentors throughout my lifetime:
A/ "Those who can, do."
2/ "Those who can't, or won't, criticize."
d/ It doesn't take a brain to be critical, only a mouth . . . . . (my thought)
Saltgremlin,
If you can help, you should. Realize though, that there is a process to being "accepted". That is just the way it is. New ideas/processes require time for the "old reliable" procedure to be supplanted. I, personally, think that it would take about 10 minutes for a re-incarnated Egyptian woodworker to start using a table saw.
It took you more than 10 minutes to type your "critiques". Your choice about what to do going forward. I hope to someday meet you, with you working as the timing volunteer who revolutionized the record posting system.
Best regards,
Fordboy, AKA: Mark Balinski Sr.
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Right Steve... Such a genius idea, and maybe a misery link to timing system with flawless ease. Right, right, on it. Guess someone needs to 'flap their lips'.
It's like stirring the pot, no one likes it, but I'm going to go right ahead and do it anyhow.
Yea gremlins.... But corroborated properly well in advance, very enjoyable things could happen.
It's not the sixties or eighties anymore. TRY 2016, and the things that can happing with the 'right people involved'. Could be pretty awesome!
Happing????? Is that a new 2016 word we fossils have yet to discover/learn?.
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Just letting you guys know,
All Records and Results have
been updated on the SCTA/Bni
Website.
Mike
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Saltgremlin....aka "Propster by proxy" :-D
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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My thought as well Neil :cheers:
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Well when it's NOT really open information regarding what proprietary timing hardware/software is being used... I'd personally love to review what is being used. Again we are in the 21st, the ability to even export/import a simple .csv file.
Some information on the timing system used, or a timing system used in the past, is here:http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2010/03/article/salt-addiction-perfect-timing/ (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2010/03/article/salt-addiction-perfect-timing/)
Searching the web for 'ChronoLogic timing' brings me to this: http://www.chronologictiming.com/ (http://www.chronologictiming.com/). Contact information is on that page, give 'em a try, volunteer your services to add CSV export capability. That said, I would not be surprised were they protective of their intellectual property, since event timing seems to be a side business for them.
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Honestly, I've offered to help many times. Maybe folks are just afraid the younger folks might oust them.
No, they just think you're an a$$hole.
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He needs to learn that when you offer to help someone...don't act like your God and are there to save them.
Bill
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Propster, that's good, haha.
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Personally I don't know the gentleman (very loosely) however he says he's young. Most all of you know I am old so this is my guess. Mom and dad never said NO, he got everything he ever asked for, he's always right, and does not listen. When someone else is talking he heads for a hand held device and hears nothing. He does not suggest, he tells. He is the smartest one in the room and you soon know it. And last but not least if he has been to college in the last 10 years he is a liberal. We have nothing in common. :cheers:
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Don't forget that these volunteers haven't had any practice in the last 2 years. Maybe some new people also.
Jon, you do much more than most, and your efforts are truly appreciated!
Tom
Don't forget the volunteers are paid $ not sure how much but I think $50 for minimum 5 hrs work per day + meal tickeds
and Free rooms. My rooms were $1695 for 10 days.
A lot of the PAID volunteers work the meet as they or their crew members could not afford the cost.
Others work because they love the sport. Either way we need and appreciate them.
JL222
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One "volunteer" I know is 79 years old, shares a room in the dump of a motel, works at least 12 hours every day, pays his way to and from Alabama. What a rip-off artist! String him up!
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Hey! I volunteered to be the Assistant Potentate of Porta Potties but when I showed up for the interview the "Grand Poobah" aka Slim took My money and split for fame and fortune in the World of Radio Media! And NO, even though I was a bit miffed I was not the culprit who put the rolls on upside down... it must have been one of them Kiwi's or Ausies. But then again, maybe that's how they do it up in Frostbite Falls, Michigan or where ever Queen Nancy rules...
Great to see You Slim (and REALLY great to HUG Nancy)!
p.s. Let's All chill out a bit... We have got All Winter to light Fires... oh, and don't forget to send a donation to LANDRACING.COM and SAVE THE SALT.
Ol' One Run, out...................................
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Dang Bob, I didn't think you were there so I didn't try and find you.
Or maybe you saw me first and hid. :-D
Don
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Salt grem ,I have a right cross I would be happy to give you ,no charge free delivery.
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One "volunteer" I know is 79 years old, shares a room in the dump of a motel, works at least 12 hours every day, pays his way to and from Alabama. What a rip-off artist! String him up!
Some volunteers hate it when I point out their benefits.
Just clarifying that for people who think they are donating their time for nothing and paying the rip off Bendover hotel rates.
Hey Linda and I have been paid volunteers in the past when the hotel rates were $25 a night at the Nevada Crossing.
But when the Linda got sun poisoning from handing out timing slips we didn't volunteer anymore.
JL222
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John --
So why are you trying to disparage the volunteers. In the whole big picture, are they ripping off the association? Some of them? Most of them?
Perhaps you could volunteer to be the Volunteer Czar. You could keep track of the 150 of them before and during the meet and pay (or not) the ones that are earning their keep.
Stan
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I'm disparaging the volunteers by pointing out their not freely doing it with no benefits?
What gives you the idea that I think anyone is ripping off the association. Read my original post, we need and appreciate them.
Some members here and in the past had no idea of their benefits and were paying out of pocket.
Guess you would like that.
JL222