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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => 2017 and before: SW & WF => SpeedWeek 2016 => Topic started by: TrickyDicky on August 14, 2016, 12:05:46 PM
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Carbiliner (car#496) apparently running Time Only. Is there a story there?
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I've been following their (sparse) social media updates and haven't read anything about it.
Yesterday may have just been a licensing run. I don't know the history of the car enough to know if they've completed the required licensing passes. But it seems likely they haven't.
Record in AA/BGS is 348.342mph. Their 339.299 run yesterday was in the 2nd mile(!). Baring mechanical issues, I'd say they are looking good for that Gas record. (And good bet they'll go for Burkland's 417.020 Fuel record after that...)
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I notice the results from yesterday show them as time only run.
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Carbiliner (car#496) apparently running Time Only. Is there a story there?
Just got confirmation that yesterday's T.O. run was for Rob's unlimited license. He had to go over 300 without issue.
No other licensing is required. He's now free to run whatever he feels the car can handle.
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Ahh...., so that's what T O means! I think that was the first time down the salt. I don't think it's been out of 1st gear too many times other than on the dyno. I think their P R guy is part driver, part mechanic, part transport driver, part beer assistant, so I'm thinking not too much stuff will get posted on FB until they get home.
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He's been well into the 300s on his own test session and in a short amount of space. I'm eager to see a full run from him
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Time Only is for a vehicle which meets the all the safety rules for the intended speed of the said vehicle and fits no specific class in the SCTA rule book. I don't think they were entered in the TO class because if they were they would need to go back thru inspection with an addition entry being bought in the AA/BGS. If the car met the safety rules and since AA/BGS doesn't have very many class specs I cannot see why it was actually as TO. As far as I know TO has absolutely nothing to do with licensing a driver.
I wish all entries hi-speed and safety.
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J D, i'm visiting this year, had hoped to see you here on the salt.
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If the car met the safety rules and since AA/BGS doesn't have very many class specs I cannot see why it was actually as TO. As far as I know TO has absolutely nothing to do with licensing a driver.
The team has confirmed it was a licensing run. And SCTA classed it TO on the daily run sheet.
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On Facebook it was posted they are in impound yesterday. I think speed was 339.
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Yes - from their FB page, sounds like it was just a "paperwork" error which put them in T/O. The liner is in impound this morning, anxiously awaiting their turn to back up the record...
https://www.facebook.com/Carbinite-LSR-115785421856394/?fref=ts
Steve
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I was just in Impound and they are there. Return runs will begin in approximately 20 mins. and we will be streaming so stay tuned!
Gregg
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Holding thumbs for Rob and the guys. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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I was just in Impound and they are there. Return runs will begin in approximately 20 mins. and we will be streaming so stay tuned!
Update?
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Something happened on their return run and they slowed / turned out around the 3. I was just over in the pits and they are working on it. I did not stop to see what happened.
Gregg
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Anyone heard anything more about the last run?
Addition: The guys just did some FB posts. Apparently they had some wiring issues, and found a leak in one of the headers. They didn't get to back up the run. More updates when they get back to the hotel.
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We had a fuse let go on our active aero system which sent the tranny into neutral. Simple fix really but while we chased the bad circuit down we found a small header leak and warped flange. Everything is fixed and checked out, we are hoping to make a run by 11am today.
The T/O was an administrative issue. The SCTA did a fine job of squaring it away. It may show runs for us as T/O this week but we are in a class as we should be.
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Posted on Facebook they are in impound.
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Fantastic!
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Good luck Rob and Brandon
I will be listening on line and wishing you a
safe and fast run tomorrow.
Dave
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For the noobs, does this run count to back up their earlier one, or is this the new mark that they now have to back up for a record?
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Before I left the salt last night I went past their pits and they were thrashing on it pretty hard so I didn't stop to jaw (sorry). They have been having some heat soak problems and did request SCTA to have an extinguisher ready for them when they stopped. I do know that their first runs were at some pretty low boost levels so there is lots more their. Hope they got a good run in today as there is a forecast for possible rain tomorrow.
Rex
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For the noobs, does this run count to back up their earlier one, or is this the new mark that they now have to back up for a record?
New mark.
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Before I left the salt last night I went past their pits and they were thrashing on it pretty hard so I didn't stop to jaw (sorry). They have been having some heat soak problems and did request SCTA to have an extinguisher ready for them when they stopped. I do know that their first runs were at some pretty low boost levels so there is lots more their. Hope they got a good run in today as there is a forecast for possible rain tomorrow.
Rex
Rex, I am sorry I missed you. I would have enjoyed introducing myself and saying hello. I had to fly back last night.
BR
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We are back in impound tonight!!! 363 on the 348.
The thrashing last night was really just buttoning up for today's run. We had a small header leak we welded and adjusted some flange/web ratios to reduce pulling.
Today's run was within 1mph of yesterday's run. Rob reported the last mile was like driving on sand. They are either dragging tonight or moving the course so hopefully we get a good track.
We have some sensor/tune issues we are working through this week. Since we are in impound we will only take small swings at adjustments. If we backup tomorrow we will replace the sensor and see what happens.
For now we will wait and see what happens tomorrow. The team so far is exceding all expectations and really driving hard to lay it down. I can't say enough about our crew!
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Nice job!
Question though, if they move the course (which effectively turns it into a different course), and make it better then how does that not impact those that have missed because of track conditions on the old course? Surely that can't be fair?
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The reason for moving the course is to supply a fresh surface. With use the course deteriorates. They generally just move it sideways a bit so that you in effect get a fresh course similar to what the course being replaced was initially. The salt flats are in a way similar to a hard, slippery dirt track rather than an asphalt track. The surface is ever changing. No one races on exactly the same surface.
Pete
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They posted on facebook, they did not back up the record. Sounds like something broke. :-(
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It's my understanding they had some ground clearance issues with the ride height of the car after an issue with a suspension hydraulic line, and did some damage to the underbody. Not sure if the track was reconfigured, or whether that had anything to do with the issue. Maybe Brandon will add something when they get back to the hotel.
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Yep the ground tried to go along for a ride in the nose of the car. Minor deal, the fiberglass is all fixed up and the suspension is back to normal. We'll get after it tomorrow early. Have about an hour of prep work in the morning then we'll go for a run. Trying to fet off the line close to 8am. Getting closer to the end of the week so we may try and lean on it a bit at this late stage to get over the best mark we have set at 363. We'll see how we do, you know how the salt can foil your best laid plans.
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The best of luck to you all. Go fast!
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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This car looked so good in person and sounded awesome flying down the course :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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It was my understanding that the T.O.run was a licensing run -- as not all their salt runs were under SCTA licensing sanctions. And changing out of T.O. might confuse them computer things about two cars with the same number.
(All of the above is a guesstomation.)
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369.6! Back to impound!
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looks like they could really benefit from another 2 miles!!
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Unfortunately they killed the motor on the back up attempt according to their most recent post on FB.
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Man, that sucks! https://www.facebook.com/Carbinite-LSR-115785421856394/timeline/ (https://www.facebook.com/Carbinite-LSR-115785421856394/timeline/)
Mike
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I hope it didn't hydraulic all the rods. For a new streamliner, you did very well- it is clear that the potential is there!
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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On FB they mention having a leak in the inter cooler that pumped water into the engine. Bent rods, or not, water in the engine isn't something you want to try to run 350+ mph with.
Not too bad for being 10 mph off the current class record on the first run on the Salt Flats ever. And being able to post a speed almost 20 mph over the record for the first half of a possible record attempt on the second pass ever isn't too shabby either. It's like building a purpose built drag car, it's just not something you can tune on the street, so I'm sure the four full runs have gained them lots of data. So far it looks like they are the fastest Gas vehicle, and the third fastest vehicle of the event. It stinks they didn't come away with a record this event, but they will eventually. If it was easy, every one would be sheet metal screwing ACME Bonniville Rocket Kits to the roof of their Civic, and lighting the fuse to go 350 mph. I'll catch up with you guys when you get home, it was a great outing!
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Here are two pics I took early Monday before return runs:
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Congrats to Rob, Brandon and the entire Carbinite Team. VERY GOOD showing!
Gregg
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Thank you for all the well wishes!
We had an awesome week, nobody on the team is hanging their heads.
We made 6 runs in 6 days and went to impound 3 times. Hard to say tjat wasn't a valliant first outing.
I was talking with Betty Burkland in impound today after we pulled the plug on loading the spare engine. She told me that in 40+ years of salt racing they only made it to impound 6 times.
I feel truly blessed to be part of this team, we have come a long way in a short time. I also have to shout out to the SCTA and their crew. It was a fine event and went out of their way to help us iron out some administrative problems and get us squared away.
I can't thank our crew enough either, they rose to the challenge and worked hard and it clearly shows.
As for today's issue it looks like we have a split head on an exhast valve. Not sure how much damage if any was done to the block yet. We'll know more after a teardown.
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Have been quietly following your progress,, ya done well mate, real well :cheers:
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Unfortunately they killed the motor on the back up attempt according to their most recent post on FB.
Well, that sucks! Rob, Brandon and crew you have made a huge first impression on the Salt. We had some problems, too, but set records in B/GRMR and B/FRMR. I've been a believer since the start and know that y'all will reach your goals. Rob, great to see you while I was out on the line; the "high car" still has 2" clearance under the belly pan.
vic
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Found this little gem on youtube. If anyone else has video of the liner they'd like to share we'd be most appreciative!
https://youtu.be/Ycze_8EHF-w (https://youtu.be/Ycze_8EHF-w)
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Wow that video gave me goose bumps so cool. :cheers: