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Tech Information => Safety => Topic started by: salt27 on June 03, 2016, 12:18:11 PM

Title: rusty brakelines
Post by: salt27 on June 03, 2016, 12:18:11 PM
I had a brake line fail on my pickup recently.

My son was driving and managed to safely bring it to a stop with the emergency brake after a bit of a panic.

This truck has been to Bonneville many times and cleaned to the best of our ability upon our return home.

The area of the failure was where there is a tightly wound spring around the line to protect it.

It seems that the spring prevents the salt residue from being removed when cleaning.

I replaced all of the brake lines under the truck with nylon coated lines.

We were very lucky this did not turn out bad.

You might want to give your brake lines the once over.

  Don
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Stainless1 on June 03, 2016, 12:22:28 PM
Don, Same thing happened to our Salt Coach, my Dodge and probably countless other folks vehicles...
They just don't make brake lines like they used to  :roll:

Good thing Gus is a sharp kid... and quickly reacted to the situation  :cheers:
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: rouse on June 03, 2016, 01:38:01 PM
Same on my Dodge Pickup, be careful with the vehicles that have been on the Salt.

At least mine failed during inspection, not use.

Rouse
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on June 03, 2016, 02:33:51 PM
My Dakota puked brake fluid in the driveway last year!  :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 03, 2016, 02:47:06 PM
Dual circuit system still shoulda had one end working but yes, the stone guard spring around the brake lines is a salt trap. Everybody get under your junk & eyeball them before that Chinese guy pays you a visit, Ho Lee Fuk.
  Sid.
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: salt27 on June 03, 2016, 04:10:44 PM
Dual circuit system still shoulda had one end working but yes, the stone guard spring around the brake lines is a salt trap. Everybody get under your junk & eyeball them before that Chinese guy pays you a visit, Ho Lee Fuk.
  Sid.

Agreed on the dual circuit system but when I drove it to check it out the only thing stopping the peddle was the floorboard.    :-o

 Don
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 03, 2016, 05:35:46 PM
Sounds like you have more that a one line problem. Was the Chinese guy there? :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: salt27 on June 03, 2016, 08:38:28 PM
Sounds like you have more that a one line problem. Was the Chinese guy there? :-D
  Sid.
I'm wondering if the four wheel anti-lock brakes had an affect on this situation.  :?
Whatever the cause, they work now.  :cheers:

Listening to Gus tell the story, I'm guessing several Chinese guys were there.   :-D

  Don
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Stainless1 on June 03, 2016, 10:36:19 PM
Don, the Dodge failed when the 40' gooseneck, with the Liner inside was behind it, on I-70, in Denver, full traffic rush hour, over a rise and everything in front was stopped.  Yep Ho Lee was there with his buds Ah Sheet and Fuk
Me.  Only grazed one pickup, luckily the hand control on the newly rebuilt trailer brakes got us stopped.  I'll tell ya that whole (slight pun intended) story over a beer or two some day. 
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 03, 2016, 11:19:59 PM
The rear brakes went out on Stainless's truck and then it broke one of the front rotors.
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Jessechop on June 04, 2016, 07:46:42 AM
They coat the roads with calcium up here every winter. Typically about every 10 years you end up needing to replace fuel and brake lines. Transmission lines a few years after that. Typically I use Ploy Armor as replacements, it is far superior to regular steel
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 04, 2016, 08:37:26 AM
Jessechop said:  "...They coat the roads with calcium up here every winter...".

Like a dentist, so you've got shiny white roads?  We get regular ol' road salt (from under Detroit, by the way) delivered as crushed.  How do your roads get their corrosive supplements?  Liquid?
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Jessechop on June 04, 2016, 09:11:16 AM
Yes, well calcium chloride,  it is highly corrosive

Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 04, 2016, 10:16:32 AM
I've heard about liquid de-icer stuff but never seen it.  Thanks for the photo.  What I've seen is the spreader trucks with BFSS hoppers dumping into a plastic-coated rotary paddle wheel spreader.

(No photo available) :roll:
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Peter Jack on June 04, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
Around here what they do is mix the salt with fine gravel. That works really well because the fine gravel chips the protective coating so that the salt can work without impediment on the unprotected metal. The fine gravel also keeps the windshield repair and replacement people in business.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 04, 2016, 10:54:01 AM
A rock hit the windshield of my p/u a month ago.  I called the insurance, which always (use to) pay 100% of the replacement.  This time I was told that it's a $210 job - and I've got $250 deductible on glass.

WTF?  When did that stuff start?  Does this mean that I can't have them replace the wondow after it gets all scratched and stained from the salt? :roll:
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: gas pumper on June 04, 2016, 11:20:16 AM
Here in the southern part of the northeast, NJ,NY,CT,MA, PA.....we now have have liquid deicer which the DPW guys tell me is the frack fluid from the gas and oil industry/ The stuff that's too toxic to leave in the ground. It used to get shipped to TX to put in old salt mines, they said. Now it gets spread around on the roads!!!!  Cast iron manhole covers are turning orange and flaking away to dust, it's bad stuff.  And they no longer wait for snow to fall, they pretreat the roads the day before so we can splash thru the stuff before it mixes with snow or water.

A friend who does car repair says 33% of his business is line replacement.

Frank
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: Stainless1 on June 04, 2016, 12:36:40 PM
Like I said earlier.... they just don't make brake lines like they used to....  :roll:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: salt27 on June 04, 2016, 01:33:12 PM
Like I said earlier.... they just don't make brake lines like they used to....  :roll:
 :cheers:

Especially if they are Poly-Armour, they claim 30X the corrosion resistance of regular brake lines.

I'll give an evaluation if we ever get back on the salt.   :roll:

  Don
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: bearingburner on June 04, 2016, 08:02:25 PM
Here in W. Mass they will spread pure salt on the roads early in the storm. Lost my truck rear brake lines a couple of years ago. They spread salt/sand mix toward the end.
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: noboD on June 04, 2016, 08:10:04 PM
Replace your brake lines with cunifer, easy to bend and very high pressure.http://www.copper.org/applications/automotive/brake-tube/brake.html
Title: Re: rusty brakelines
Post by: John Burk on June 04, 2016, 08:58:49 PM
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