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Title: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on January 31, 2016, 11:49:37 AM
How about a bench racing section?  Just a place to talk about complete and utter nonsense ideas more or less.  I think everyone here loves pondering what could be and following various ideas both good and bad.  Maybe at the end of the year hand out the "world's fastest bench racer" award!  Some of the most enjoyable time I spend with the gear head friends I have is spent bench racing, and comming up with REALLY bad ideas... like cutting the top of a 88 mercury grand marque, welding the doors together to turn it into a two door spider.  Or... maybe building your own intake for a polyhead using individual mikuni's on tuned length runners to feed a polysphere.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Glen on January 31, 2016, 02:54:22 PM
We have it on Landracing .com every Tuesday nite, but you know that and didn't like us. :-D
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Stainless1 on January 31, 2016, 08:20:49 PM
Maybe we need to rename it for the newbie so he understands its purpose...  :roll:
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on January 31, 2016, 08:56:18 PM
Maybe we need to rename it for the newbie so he understands its purpose...  :roll:

What? I figured it was only for super serious biz... (eye roll)


Glen, again, it's nothing to do with the way you guys smell, I just don't think the schedule will work out. 

Serious, I get home about 5pm Pacific, rush around, do some chores, shower, cook and eat dinner (I got this great little grill I use in my tiny fire place, wood fired eats every night!) and try to get to bed by 8pm so I that I can get up at 4am and do it all over again.  Takes me an hour to get to work, takes me an hour to get home.  Oh and work in some play time for the cat and petting time for the cat. Maury turns into a little bitch when he's not payed attention too.

Seriously, keep goin', I won't be able to walk here, my balls 'll be to sore.

Could it just be everyone's afraid to own up to their less brilliant ideas?  I mean...the tech section is for serious questions like, using fans to generate suction to stick the car to the salt.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 31, 2016, 09:04:08 PM
Okay, girls and boys.  How 'bout we put the hasslin' on hold for a while and just plain get back to racing and building and so on?  If you wanna play at each other -- hey, nah, let's just think about how we're going to go safer, faster, and have more fun. :evil:
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on January 31, 2016, 09:37:48 PM
Okay, girls and boys.  How 'bout we put the hasslin' on hold for a while and just plain get back to racing and building and so on?  If you wanna play at each other -- hey, nah, let's just think about how we're going to go safer, faster, and have more fun. :evil:


doooooh come on, let them get it out of their system!  My skins thick enough to have it's own SFI rating.  It's not anything I haven't dealt with on 80 meters!
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: tauruck on January 31, 2016, 10:18:13 PM
I agree with the Boss on this.
There's no time for a bad time guys!!!. :cheers:

With the current state of affairs isn't bench racing all we're doing?. :-D
Me?, I don't even know how to get onto the chat line or if I could from
my location.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Peter Jack on January 31, 2016, 10:50:38 PM
You could get on easily Mike except that it would be at 4:00 am on Wednesday morning and I'm not sure you want to put up with us at that time.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 31, 2016, 11:07:50 PM
Dang, Ben -- I haven't been on the lower bands in a good long time.  Is it really that bad these days?
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 01, 2016, 06:29:36 AM
Dang, Ben -- I haven't been on the lower bands in a good long time.  Is it really that bad these days?

It's hard to tell it from 11 meters at times. People jamming each other, threats getting made, it's pretty stupid.  Of course no one ID's
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: tauruck on February 01, 2016, 07:39:38 AM
You could get on easily Mike except that it would be at 4:00 am on Wednesday morning and I'm not sure you want to put up with us at that time.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete

Pete, are you suffering from memory loss????????????????????. :-D
I'm building a liner, we never sleep. The !@#$%^&*( thing won't let you.
 I'm up at 4AM my time and I'm in!!!!.
Just tell me how. :cheers:
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 01, 2016, 07:54:28 AM
You could get on easily Mike except that it would be at 4:00 am on Wednesday morning and I'm not sure you want to put up with us at that time.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete

Pete, are you suffering from memory loss????????????????????. :-D
I'm building a liner, we never sleep. The !@#$%^&*( thing won't let you.
 I'm up at 4AM my time and I'm in!!!!.
Just tell me how. :cheers:

If you look on the main page, on the right in red it says important links.  The chat client is there.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Peter Jack on February 01, 2016, 09:20:45 AM
Thanks Ben!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: SPARKY on February 01, 2016, 11:11:12 AM
come on P head this is not a social media site
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 01, 2016, 12:38:03 PM
come on P head this is not a social media site

Antisocial media then?
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: RichFox on February 01, 2016, 02:04:41 PM
So far all I have seen concerning the Poly head motor has been bench racing. No real build diary posts. No race results. So what else is left? Bench racing. So this must be the bench racing section.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Glen on February 01, 2016, 02:28:27 PM
we have a ignore button.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 01, 2016, 04:26:49 PM
we have a ignore button.

An ignore button.....
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: RichFox on February 06, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
I'm not really at all web savvy. Can you tell me what it means in the Linux community to have   been network banned from the GNOME IRC servers.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 06, 2016, 11:58:25 AM
I'm not really at all web savvy. Can you tell me what it means in the Linux community to have   been network banned from the GNOME IRC servers.

It means they didn't like #gnome3hate and other various iterations of the same theme each more offensive than the next.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on February 06, 2016, 12:09:43 PM
Ben, since this is your "bench racing section," have you ever considered building a propeller-drive land vehicle?

Mike
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 06, 2016, 12:25:04 PM
Bingo.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: fredvance on February 06, 2016, 12:44:35 PM
Good one Mike.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 06, 2016, 12:51:12 PM
Ben, since this is your "bench racing section," have you ever considered building a propeller-drive land vehicle?

Mike

You mean like boat propeller or aircraft propeller?  I'm all for the latter, but only if I can have a hand cranked centrifugal starter.  Get one of those big round engines strapped to the trunk deck, what could possibly go wrong!
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on February 06, 2016, 01:59:51 PM
Ben, since this is your "bench racing section," have you ever considered building a propeller-drive land vehicle?

Mike

Only the Shadow knows :roll:
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Dynoroom on February 06, 2016, 09:35:32 PM
Pick one...
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: interested bystander on February 06, 2016, 11:23:24 PM
A great idea and maybe a catchy name like "PROPSTER" for the project?
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 07, 2016, 12:50:48 AM
Wouldn't a pusher prop be better?
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: TrickyDicky on February 07, 2016, 03:48:35 AM
A great idea and maybe a catchy name like "PROPSTER" for the project?

 :cheers: :evil: :cheers: :evil: :cheers:
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: generatorshovel on February 07, 2016, 04:24:17 AM
Ben, since this is your "bench racing section," have you ever considered building a propeller-drive land vehicle?

Mike


 :-D :-D :-D , I needed that Mike,,maybe the air might just go over Poly's head ?  :?
Tiny
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: RichFox on February 07, 2016, 11:13:31 AM
As what I thought Bench Racing was. In the latest HRM is a very impressive 318 Poly that is out to 402. What crank allows that? Billet? The electronics on that thing must be more expensive than the Packard or Lincoln engines in the story.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 07, 2016, 01:07:39 PM
As what I thought Bench Racing was. In the latest HRM is a very impressive 318 Poly that is out to 402. What crank allows that? Billet? The electronics on that thing must be more expensive than the Packard or Lincoln engines in the story.

Well they also took the bore out to like 4.03, .120 over.  The crank is piece you can get from MP and other sources.
http://www.campbellenterprises.com/318-stroker-kit-mopar-318-5.2-stroker-kits.php 

The crank is actually a cast piece.  The modulus on the block is so high and the bearings so large on the small block mopars that the crank is well supported.  Incidently the stock poly crank is a forged piece... so in a way the aftermarket one isn't as nice, just bigger.

The crank is the same as an LA engine so anything that works in the bottom of an LA works in the polysphere, including the pistons, although with LA pistons the compression is considerably lower.  That said Cambelle offer some actual poly specific pistons that will get the compression up to 10.5:1.  I'm not sure which way to go yet on pistons.  LA pistons are cheap and easy to get, and if I go that route I end up around 8.5:1 compression.  Not a bad place to be if you want to run boost.  3.95 or so on the bore, 3.58 on the stroke, 8.5:1, 12psi of boost and fuel injection is sounding really good to me.

I actually emailed Hilborne to find out what that setup would cost to have made for me.

"So the full kit including manifold, Holley electronics and a complete
Weldon Pump fuel system should run around $7100."

So yeah... exact opposite of cheap.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: fordboy628 on February 07, 2016, 02:24:35 PM
As what I thought Bench Racing was. In the latest HRM is a very impressive 318 Poly that is out to 402. What crank allows that? Billet? The electronics on that thing must be more expensive than the Packard or Lincoln engines in the story.

Orphan stuff is ALWAYS more expensive than popular chooices.   Just the way it is.   R & D for popular products can be spread over many parts sales.

Orphans and oddballs just do not sell.     :?

 :dhorse:  :dhorse:  :dhorse:

Go figure . . . .

Hey, I know these two nutjobs trying to make a 1 liter race engine out of a Rover 'K' Twin Cam . . . . . . . . .   And then shovel it into a car where it was never fitted . . . .
 :dhorse:  :dhorse:  :dhorse:

 :-D  :cheers:

Fordboy
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: RichFox on February 07, 2016, 02:29:10 PM
Well the Packard and the Lincoln are pretty much orphans. And i know I didn't have much in the Packard or the Lincoln I have here now. Of course that shows in the dyno sheet. Still, if the Poly was using an LS intake, perhaps someone could get a junkyard LS EFI and do some electrical magic to it to use on a Poly?
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 08, 2016, 06:25:05 AM
I don't know how well that would work.  The way the SAM guys made it work was aluminum spacers between the heads and the intake.  That would place the injectors that much farther away from the valve head which defeats the purpose of port injection.  It's probably why they went with the hilborn setup.

I also highly doubt you could get the stock LS PCM to work.  You never see anyone attempt to use the stock LS PCM in any other LS engine swap.  Even if you could trick the PCM into running, with the injectors farther away It's questionable if you could ever make the injection timing work on the stock PCM.  That's after spending a lot of time finding a way to fit cam, crank, and distributor trigers into the poly because the stock pcm will require all of those.  An after market pcm is probably the only workable sollution.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 13, 2016, 01:51:34 PM
http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscprem/catalogue-id-premie10010/lot-235612a6-cbf4-4226-8fe6-a5aa000808e4

The start of a streamliner?
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: manta22 on February 13, 2016, 02:49:43 PM
It's probably just a mock-up.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 13, 2016, 03:03:13 PM
It's probably just a mock-up.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

does that matter?  I mean... I'm thinking two of those, belly tank in the middle for a cockpit.  Make myself a miniature thrust ssc driven by four motorcycle engines.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: manta22 on February 13, 2016, 03:07:06 PM
It does if it's just wood.  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on February 13, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
The ALCM is 20 ft. 9 in. long and 24.5 in. wide. One would make a nice car. One problem might be that it is designed to fly.
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: Polyhead on February 13, 2016, 03:54:25 PM
It does if it's just wood.  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Then it's a form for laying fiberglass on!
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: dw230 on February 13, 2016, 08:26:50 PM
Go for it Phead.

DW
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: DRW on March 26, 2016, 01:41:57 AM
I like the shape, I can dream of some sweet Motorcycle engines that would fit right in there .
I wish there were more photos !
DW
Title: Re: Bench Racing Section
Post by: grumm441 on October 31, 2016, 08:04:57 PM
http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscprem/catalogue-id-premie10010/lot-235612a6-cbf4-4226-8fe6-a5aa000808e4

The start of a streamliner?

I was just looking at your link and, well....

https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscprem/catalogue-id-premie10010/lot-5c6ad580-97d7-4d5e-af34-a5aa000808e4

I'm thinking, what about the shark on the fence in the background?

G