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Announcements => Upcoming Events => Topic started by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 16, 2015, 11:08:29 AM
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I see that there are more than a few of us that're planning on going to the PRI show in Indianapolis this coming (early) December. Nancy and I will be there -- but never having gone before won't give you too many pointers on what to expect. I've heard that there are a couple of batches of save the salt folks/groups/organisations going to be there, and I know that SEMA - the group that's already hip-deep in work to sale our racing place - is the Owner of the PRI, so I expect an effort will be made to spread further the word.
If you're going to the PRI -- wouldja please post so here so we can maybe get together down there. You know, as a group to show off some cool race t-shirts and red hats and stuff like that. See you in Indy.
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The Carbiliner crew AND CAR will be there this year!!!!
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Way extra cool!! :cheers: :cheers: Whom else?
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Mark and I will be there. I'm coming with some drawings and will be buttonholing some vendors.
I need to take a longer look at the series of seminars available, but the "Developing Custom Valve Train" talk is high on the priority list, and Ed Iskenderian will be a must see - I missed him last year, though met him in the hallway.
As to displaying hats, I'll take a pass, as I haven't earned one and still have hair . . .
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I'll be there with Victory Motorsports, Burton Brown's liner and all the other salt-less, land speed yahoos that I can find! :-D :cheers:
Same location as last year booth 7002 outside the main (yellow) hall. http://victorymotorsports.org/
http://www.performanceracing.com/tradeshow/
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Registered yesterday. Looking for my STS tee shirt. Maybe we could setup something around Rob's or Woody's exhibit to meet up?
Terry
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My nephew Ryan & I will be there...maybe a LSR dinner for Friday night would be in order???
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I'll be there too, would love to catch a meal with you guys as I will be solo on this trip. The downtown fancy places book up quick with all of the trade folks, but Indy has lots of good food outside of downtown.
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You know, Jon - we missed Salt Talks in Wendover this year - maybe we should move it to Hooters in Indianapolis! :cheers:
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I/we've never been to a Hooter's. But then -- for me, living with Nancy -- who needs to visit a restaurant to enjoy the feminine scenery? :roll:
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I/we've never been to a Hooter's. But then -- for me, living with Nancy -- who needs to visit a restaurant to enjoy the feminine scenery? :roll:
Right answer.
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I/we've never been to a Hooter's. But then -- for me, living with Nancy -- who needs to visit a restaurant to enjoy the feminine scenery? :roll:
Right answer.
They have feminine scenery :? I go there for the wings n beer :cheers:
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Yeah right and I buy Playboy for the articles.
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You say that and now no nudes :-o in Playboy
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I/we've never been to a Hooter's. But then -- for me, living with Nancy -- who needs to visit a restaurant to enjoy the feminine scenery? :roll:
Right answer.
They have feminine scenery :? I go there for the wings n beer :cheers:
One of the reasons guys like you live to ripe old ages is because you both have well developed self-preservation instincts.
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Gaahck -- I must be getting kinda old. I really, really DO remember Playboy before the ladies were nude. Dad would get the magazine - in the mid-50s - and the women were not completely naked then. Yes, it didn't take long for Mr. Hefner to discover that acres of uncovered flesh sold more magazines, but don't we all remember Janet Pilgrim - the first centerfold lady, I think she was - wearing clothes in the spread? She, it turned out, was a secretary for Hefner as he was getting the magazine going. From her came the beginnings.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled topic.
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Who is planning to attend the PRI show in Indy - December 10-12, 2015?
It's on my schedule to attend (registration is free, but you have to submit your "credentials" to be approved).
I can't wait to see all the offerings from vendors.
Steve.
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Three of us from Danny Boy will be there.
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Well, well -- a voice from outa the north. See you in a month and a half, Richard. :cheers:
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Have any of you received your official credentials yet? I got my "Registration" email, along with a promise that the credentials would be sent before the event. Just curious if anyone else has received their "badges" yet.
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I think I remember that we are "granted" the credentials and then pick 'em up at the registration window when we arrive.
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Haven't received them yet, but last year, mine arrived in the mail before Thanksgiving.
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I took a quick look back and - - on 24 August '15 I received emails from PRI telling me that they'd been granted "...and will be shipped USPS to you prior to the 2015 PRI Trade Show."
Speaking of 'em, though -- thanks for the elbow-joggle. I need to confirm that I've got the creds set up for our new employee that'll be attending the show with us.
Speaking of the show -- I know we've got some evening plans for Fri and Sat -- so if you want Nancy and me to hang out with youse guys-- during the day is finest.
And in case you haven't seen the Nov PRI magazine -- it does mention the LSR panel/board/symposium/thing. It'll be Saturday morning at 8. What a heinous time for a gathering of people. I don't want to miss it -- but jeez, 8 frickin' AM?
We'll drive in Wednesday - getting there pretty late since it's a 12 or so hour ride (we'll wave as we go past, Chris). Nothin's going to be going on with us that night, for sure.
See you in Indianapolis.
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The goat wagon finally made it from the UP to southern Ohio! :cheers:
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PRI says that my badge has been mailed. :-D I feel so official.
I have a room booked in Terre Haute, IN for the night of Thursday, December 10th. I'm planning to be at the show bright and early Friday morning - spend the whole day at the show, then drive back to STL on Friday night.
For anyone who might be interested, PM me for my cell#, maybe we can meet up at the show on Friday.
Steve.
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Steve, the trick is to plan. There isn't time to see the whole show in a day. Get the list of exhibitors and the floor plan, then figure out who you want to see and where they are. If you can free either the Thursday or the Saturday do it. The Thursday would be better because you get a lot more people there on the Saturday. Enjoy the show. It's really worth it.
Pete
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Thanks, Peter.
I spent some time yesterday at the PRI site, used their questionaires to develop a list of vendors I'd like to visit.
They also have an "App" for iphone, etc. which should help as a roadmap of the show, the location of the booths I want to visit, etc.
Steve.
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Stevve, is there any way we can get you to reconsider your sked? There's the L S R panel discussion/forum Saturday morning at 8. I know -- heinous time of day, but that's what it is. And I'm confident that the more racers that we have in attendance - the better we'll be for having gained more information.
if you can't re-arrange -- okay, we'll drink your complimentary coffee and eat your stale sweet rolls for you. :?
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The issue that prevents me from spending time in Indianapolis on Saturday is a Christmas party that I MUST attend on Saturday evening. I consider myself fortunate that I'm married to a wonderful woman who lets me do almost anything I want without protesting too much.
I've only been married for 21 years, but in that time, have learned when to pick my battles, and when to go along without a peep of protest.
For those of you who are happily married, you know what I mean.....
Steve.
PS - enjoy my coffee and morning snacks.
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...a quick update....
My badge and lanyard were in my mailbox this morning. You know it's official when you get a lanyard.
Steve.
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In Wilmington, OH for the night. Will be in Indy tomorrow and looking forward to the "Show".
Will be at the Saturday LSR event. Other than that, I don't really have anything planned, just want to experience it and see/meet new friends.
Gregg
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Gralph, why didn't you tell us you were heading to the PRI? We could have saved a bunch of hassle and stayed home and saved the ignomy of maybe being seen in public with you.
Ah, the heck with it -- take life as it's thrown. Put up with him. C U Thursday or Friday or something. :evil:
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Gralph, why didn't you tell us you were heading to the PRI? We could have saved a bunch of hassle and stayed home and saved the ignomy of maybe being seen in public with you.
Ah, the heck with it -- take life as it's thrown. Put up with him. C U Thursday or Friday or something. :evil:
Gralph??? That's new and too Funny, Mr. Head Handlebar Holder.....Sir!
Looking forward to seeing you and Mrs. Slim at the Show!
Gregg
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Greg,
Chris and I will be there Thurs approx noon until noon or so on Sat. You probably have Chris' cell #. PM me for mine.
We have all our credentials and are ready to go.
:cheers:
Fordboy
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Mark, Yep, I did talk with Chris last night. Looking forward to seeing you guys!
Gregg
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Visit us and Realtrac at Booth #7122
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I'll definitely be sure to stop by to see the Carbinite 'liner.
Steve.
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We saw lotsa stuff -- but didn't make it to the Carbinite 'liner before we ran out of fresh feet today. Maybe tomorrow. Or Saturday. I got a bunch of photos -- most of who's there. I'll put 'em up so you can see who you missed. But first -- lemme rest my aching feet.
Heck, we even talked with George Callaway. How's that for something -- unh, mmm, well, ahh, well, Hi, George. :evil:
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Who talked?
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Well, hey -- we're on vacation and had to build up a sleep reserve if we've gotta be at an 8AM meeting tomorrow. So we haven't even left the fine crack whore motel we're bunked in to go back for day 2. But -- I've got a batch of photos we took yesterday. I'm gonna bulk post 'em - and then try to go back and fill in information and names - if I can remember. In the meantime -- the photos'll be up and you can gawk at all of the glitz - and the racers. And keep your eyes on the background. Lotsa stuff. LOTSA stuff.
Here's a quick glimpse of stuff:
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What was Hooley doing there? The people you run into at these shows. . .
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The Racepak booth produced - to no surprise -- Donny Cummins, who told us a bit about a new project the -11 race team (911, 711, etc, yanno) is starting.
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Fordboy ain't all that short of a dude -- 'cept next to Chris and me:
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Nancy is not as tall as MM, is she?
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There was a display of some Indy cars - and other Indy "stuff", like this ratty ol' Borg Warner Trophy, whatever it stands for :roll:
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Oh, please - forgive me. I heard an interview being conducted on the PA in the Indy booth area -- and it was this fine ol' boy talking about his racing career. Did I get his name? Heck, NO! I'm so sorry. Turbine car ('64, right?) era driver, successful, race with Parnelli and Rodger and all of those '60s names. Please -- someone tell me/us. It was better still for me -- 'cause I went to 7 or so 500s during the 60's -- so I saw the turbine car and Andy G. and the Novi (was this guy a Novi driver?) so I KNOW I've seen him driving at the Brickyard. How cool -- even not remembering who he was.
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George and Cal:
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There's a big display for the Hot Rodders of Tomorrow, and indeed, the young folks were finishing up a rebuild competition while we walked past. Quite a show -- listening to the coaches (shouting from the sideline, as a young wrench is installing the distributor: "Don't forget the hold down clamp! Don't forget the Hold Down!!", watching the crew members on the back of the parts/tools bench -- holding out a torque wrench or socket like a nurse passing a scalpel to a surgeon, and so on.
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And then we ran across the Wossner booth. I won't show the other photo of John and Nancy -- Michelle might happen onto it and I don't want to cause any bad feelings this close to Christmas.
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Imagine, if you can, a booth at a trade show, and the booth is staffed by John Noonan. Imagine why in heck there'd be a motorcycle in the booth? Nah, TWO motorcycles. As proof that these are not street bikes -- note MM next to one of 'em. He's kneeling -- and still taller than the bike. Of course, yes, I'll admit it -- his kneeling is still standing up straight and tall for some people.
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Ever the artistical one in our family, Nancy wanted to show the colors of wheels these days.
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Okay - a few photos of stuff and cars and I'll quit for now and head back to the show for day two. Oh, yeah -- maybe I'll get some pictures of the people I forgot to see yesterday.
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Okay - that's it for now. Later. I won't have the 'puter with me so I won't be responding to questions or requests. If it's that important -- call me, okay?
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Jon;
Was that Bobby Unser?
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Dang - that was quick. We haven't left yet. I'll see if I can find out. Let's see -- one of the anecdotes was about when Parnelli was telling this guy to ask Andy Granatelli for ten grand to drive the Novi, and Andy offered $1,000 instead. He took it - went back and told Parnelli -- who got pretty pissed at him for settling too cheap.
I think I got it straight. Buck more important than the one story -- was the big bunch that we heard. Great stuff. I'll find out who it was and tell ya later.
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Neil, that's Bobby at the table. Wayno
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Being interviewed by Robin Miller
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Confirmed it today. It was Bobby Unser all right. Sorry I didn't remember earlier. We're back for now -- took a batch of photos of the next group. I'll get 'em up here in a little while. right now Nancy and I have some afternoon business to which we must attend - before going out to a blues club in downtown Indy tonight ("The Slippery Noodle", it says -- Indiana's oldest bar -- est. 1850). Says it's a blues club -- so now you know where to find us tonight.
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More of the '15 PRI -- who's there among L S R folks:
Shane Stubbs and Nancy and me.
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Nancy being interviewed for Rob's car's driver job. Stay tuned for maybe some more informaion -- sometime in the next moth or three.
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What can't be made with carbon fiber?
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Want a big motor for your - boat? Ask Pete Aardema. Don't ask Jim Knapp. He's just in the background to add to the ambience.
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Layne Christensen and Tom Burkland and the Darkotech Wind Tunnel booth:
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A couple of the cars on display at the entrance:
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And for this one -- check out also pg. 58-59 on the newest Hot Rod mag. It looked sharp in the magazine -- way better still in person:
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Finally -- just to remind you that the show is in the home of open-wheel racing:
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Maybe there'll be more photos tomorrow. We'll be at that presentation in the AM -- room 239, 8AM. Oh, yeah -- Dennis Sullivan (USFRA) pres had been scheduled to be on the panel but couldn't make it. That's how Tom Burkland got the nod instead.
We'll letcha know about what we see there. Bye for now --
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(For us, at least) P R I 2015 is over. We went to the panel about LSR Opportunities (business) - or so the program told us. After the four panelists (Steve Watt, Tom Burkland, Stuart Gosswein, Land Speed Louise) and the "moderator", Dan Schechner (Editor of the PRI Magazine) talked a bit about stuff that belonged under the title -- we then got around to Q & A from the room. And gee, wouldn't you know it -- salt and the lack thereof at Bville was pretty much the remainder of the 1 1/4 hours we were together.
So - I don't have specifics of what was said. I've started the chain to get a copy of the audio from the presentation and'll post it/archive it someplace here on this website. The only video recording that I know of -- was the guy sitting next to me doing a good job of not wiggling his phone camera and recording the whole shebang. I've got his contact information, too.
There were lotsa racers there that we had NOT seen during the past few -- folks that wanted to be at the meeting, though, for sure. Jack Rodgers and Roy Creel and the Christophersons and Podunk and on and on. We were all pretty glad to be there. Oh, yeah -- we did see Hooley (again) today. I'm not gonna say anything more (basically). I'll let one and all that were there chew over what we heard and let all of youse guys then tell us what you think. As for us? Things might be (sorta) under control to get going to save the salt pretty soon - and well. but -- will we run in '16? How 'bout this, instead? If the new pumping and delivering system gets approved and endorsed and set up and working -- yeah, well, maybe we might have a decent short course by summer of '16. But -- if things are working right -- how 'bout canceling the '16 season right now - December '15 - and let the new system work a full year and a half and wow, the course oughta be dang good -- and plenty long -- by then.
Over to you. We'll be staying over one more night before hitting the road - so I'll keep a close eye on what you folks say today. Have at it! :-D
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I don't understand why running a short course in '16 would in any way might jeopardize what would happen a year later(?).
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I don't understand why running a short course in '16 would in any way might jeopardize what would happen a year later(?).
Hi, Stan - Just got back to Beerhaven, and have had a few hours to chew over what was served up for breakfast in Indy this morning.
The idea put forth by Tom Burkland was this - if everybody can agree - BNI, Intrepid, BLM, USFRA, the bike event - pump brine continuously in 2016, rather than stopping in - whenever it is - April, May - and get as much salt out of the evaporation ponds as possible and back on the north side of I-80 where continued evaporative effects of mid-late summer heat and wind could do the most good to restoring the race surface.
I think this is quite a pragmatic approach, actually, provided the decision can be made soon. Here are my thoughts -
Right now, there is a lot of water available to do this pumping process - likely sufficient brackish water exists to pump for the next 8 months without having a negative effect on the current groundwater interests, both public or private. To that end, the iron is hot.
Assuming a normal year (yeah, I know the adage), once the waters from the winter snow melt and spring rains have evaporated, the only thing left to evaporate will be brine from Intrepid. Think about that for a minute - rather than the diluted brine that nature provides via run-off and dilution with the existing salt, what would be evaporated would be brine brought over from south of I-80 - and during a time of year when the evaporative nature of the flats could most quickly and easily cause the salt to fall out of suspension and be deposited onto the surface.
The fallout - as I see it - would be this -
No racing in 2016 - not even a short course - in order to extend the pumping time frame.
Businesses in Wendover would go another year without our presence - which, in actuality, could cause additional political pressure on local and regional government officials to press the BLM to take quicker action.
This could possibly bring the political clout of the casino's into our camp.
If BNI, USFRA, etc. can make this decision early enough, it permits all of us an opportunity to make plans for summer that might include other venues.
There were two questions asked of the racers in attendance at the meeting.
A questioner from the audience asked for a show of hands for those who would forgo 2016 if it held out the possibility of better salt in 2017.
The second question put to the audience from one of the panelists was, "Who wants to race in 2016?"
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Anyone know if this plan includes a way to confine the pumped brine or are we just going to use this year to wash the last of the surface into the ditches and since that has been the result of the strip mining the last 50 years.
I think that could result in the Bonneville mud flats. :dhorse:
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Stainless,
you be absolute right...
when did the people understand that pumping is not the right way....not so as it was done in the last year....
they pumped not salt back to the north, they pumped rubbish over to the north side....
if you take the salt in your hand you can feel the different to the salt in the 90's and now...in the 90's the salt was hard crystal...today, salt is a greasy mud...but not anymore salt.
what we got today on the BSF is a kind of sponge which sucks water in...salt is not doing this.
the only right way, would be loads of pure, real salt from the south side carried to the north side and loaded into the water which is on the lake bed...so that this salt sever into the water and when the lake dry up the salt creates a new layer of real salt....
this is the only way we can go, all other is just for the show...camouflage the sad situation on the BSF...but it will not improve the situation....
what we got today on the lake bed is everything but NOT SALT....and the mud which was flown all over the lake bed in spring 2015 due to the long raining season will not disappear so quick....therefore the salt which is left over under the mud had at first to sever into water, so that the mud can sink to the bottom
this is the reality....so much this reality hurts.....
To check the today "salt mix" we have on the lake bed I gave the USFRA a bottle with salt from October 1999, which was coming from the course we used at the WF in 1999...means salt before the big pumping...this way it can be shown how the mixture of the surface changed in the last 15 years....hope the USFRA used this chance...I still had nothing heard from them
Hope you folks can understand my note (due to my bad English)
and I hope I prove my own words not right, when I said in 2012 at the salt....if the situation change not very quick we will not run anymore on the lake bed in ten years....hope my feeling will be than proved wrong.....
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Stainless and PorkPie,
There was lots discussed at this meeting and the items of your concerns were addressed.
I feel that I'm not the correct messenger here so let's wait for Louise or Stuart to report.
Gregg
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Pork Pie, you may well be right. The quality of what Intrepid is pumping back did not come up at Indy, and I can’t speak to it. But for all of its alleged “natural beauty”, the plain truth is that Bonneville is now and will remain an artificially engineered environment.
Our task is to work to maintain a race course by manipulating the engineering in such a way that racing can continue.
But realistically, I don't think we'll ever see a string of dump trucks shuttling salt from the south side to the north side if I-80 - not as long as hydraulic transport is viewed as a viable option. Given the quantity of salt sitting in Intrepid’s evaporation ponds, the size of the area that needs to be repaired, the wear and tear on the service roads, bridges and vehicles transporting it back to the track, the man hours, fuel costs and time, plus the fact that such transportation could only occur during those times that the surface was dry and we're racing on it – I really think it’s an unrealistic proposition.
Personally, I think extending the pumping season through an entire year is worth a shot, but such a program is not likely to be approved in light of the 2018 study on the horizon.
Funny how that works . . . no?
Regarding the seminar, the topic of the discussion was "Opportunities in Land Speed Racing", based on Louise Ann Noeth’s PRI magazine article of last June. I don’t know if you’ve read it – here’s a link.
http://www.bluetoad.com/publication/?i=258894
Probably 45 minutes of the seminar dealt with that – the Q&A focused on the tribulations and current pall over Bonneville.
Stainless, Louise spoke quite eloquently about how LSR racers shared information and helped each other out to achieve their goals. Conversely, darned little information as to the plan the Utah Alliance is working on surfaced, other than we’ll see something in January.
Fortunately, I was able to buttonhole Stuart Gosswein about a question I directed to him in the Q&A. He'll be getting the information and copies of the correspondences I've had with my Senator. Senator Baldwin's office has been looking for more information from me, and if the Alliance won't share it with the general public just yet, it's my hope they will share it with my Senator's fact finders in advance of publication.
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Report on the meeting that was held Sat morning at 8AM in room 239: :-(
IF anyone thinks that the panelists and the event held will in any way resolve the issue of the receding salt surface, you would be delusional. I was there and was very disappointed in the senseless use of time extolling the virtues of the "Bonneville experience" and other drivel. When I posed the question of when we would get to the disappearing salt, the tone definitely changed but not toward being effective, but more along the lines of coulda, woulda, shoulda, and we must be patient and things will work out. Horse apples! The BLM is criminally corrupt and we the people for whom they work should push that point - accountability. Posing another suggestion such as moving salt accumulated south of the highway back to the north was also dodged. The overall philosophy of "I am ok and you are ok so let's have some hot chocolate" will not get the results needed. After my few questions and comments in the gathering, the panel moderator simply would not recognize me again even though I held my hand up repeatedly. I guess he didn't think I would play well with others or buy into the patience, posing, or politics.
The mining company is not the problem here......They are simply taking advantage of their skillfully crafted contract. The BLM is the problem here in that they have not done their duty in making sure the good old potash depleted salt ended back on the north side of the highway.
The only sensible thing that was mentioned was for all in attendance to call their representatives and try and get them on board. Since I have all of mine on speed dial I will certainly lend support to that mode of exposure of the Bureau of Land Mismangement concerning the Bonneville Salt Flats.
Try and do your part and light the fuse under your rep's fanny. Patience is not the answer. Neither is relying on folks that have absolutely no idea how the government bureaucracies self-perpetuate instead of working for the country's welfare.
Meaning well will not count in the battle to "fix" the salt flats. So, bet on getting upset and do not rely on others to dial the phone or send emails to your representative and make sure your Congressman and Senator know who you are and what you stand for.
Merry Christmas to All. May the Almighty bless this Nation and our warriors abroad.
Regards,
HB2 :-)
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Louise pointed out in her radio interview in August, in the text of the Utah Alliance video, and reiterated Saturday at PRI that LSR racers are nobodies. I believe the spirit of her wording within the context of her narrative was intended to impart some sense of romanticism to what we do, but if we don't act now, that statement could prove to be equally accurate when taken out of context and viewed as a stand alone statement.
Harold is spot on regarding pestering your legislators.
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What a fantastic event!!!
Next time, I will definitely devote 2 days to the PRI.
Where else can someone get the opportunity to make so many connections with vendors and other folks in the industry? I'm pressed for time right now, but here are a few pics from PRI....
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A few more pics.....
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Me with Cherie Westrich at the Rev'n TV booth (after an interview).
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New connecting rod for the VW diesel (some clearance grinding required).
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Something green.
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Another pic with Cherie. She is the pride of our family. (Cherie is my wife's first cousin).
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My "dream" transaxle - this sequential shift beauty sells for $19,000.
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Another view of the trans.
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Some known LSR hooligans from the PRI gallery: http://www.performanceracing.com/tradeshow/index/gallery/2015_photo_gallery.html