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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: sofadriver on October 04, 2015, 01:09:14 PM
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It's getting on towards winter and a lot of salt flat racers will probably be putting their cars and bikes on display.
It would be good if everyone had a sign next to the vehicle that tells of the plight of the BSF. Some standardized wording that will be easily readable on a sandwich board sign. Short and to the point. No finger pointing or politics. Just something to make the public aware of the situation.
I'm going to ask the STS folks for some input on this but thought you guys might want to get in on the wording.
Please help out.
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Mike, I wonder -- what if landracing.com were to try to help with those signs? Maybe I could get them created and printed in a standard style - and send them to the racers that ask for 'em. Yeah, it'd be an expense, but I'm thinking that maybe it'd be a good thing to have them look like they were professionally prepared and that they're identical -- representing the group more cohesively, yanno. Yes, I'd put a bit of attribution on there - saying that lr.com had something to do with the signs - but it wouldn't be a big streamer advertisement but rather a little note. Just enugh to let those that want one for their own how they can arrange to get it.
I don't know how big you've got in mind -- and if they get too large I'd have a devil of a time shipping them without spending a fortune. But still -- it sounds like a good idea. See what the STS folks say and keep me in mind.
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SSS, why not just create a standard sign digitally and post it? Then everyone could get their own printed at their expense but all the signs would have the correct info and say the same thing.
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Well, well -- a great idea. Makes you kinda wonder, though -- why didn't I think of that?
Maybe I'll do just what you suggest. I will take the time to run the concept and draft of said sign past the StS folks, though -- to make sure that we're all pulling in the same direction. Stay tuned for more details.
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Great Idea.
Were bringing our Rear Engine Modified Roadster to the Jalopy Rama indoor car being held in Westminster Maryland the show is October 24Th. Placing a sign in our display about the salt situation would be a great idea. When I have the display sign made for the car I would have the STS sign printed at the same time.
All I need is a standard to work from. :cheers:
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One of my big gripes is that the STS message isn't reaching East past SLC.
A sign, some flyers, a sheet that the person showing the car can use to prioritize information in a conversation about Bonneville . . .
I get opportunities to show the Midget ALL THE TIME.
There are a ton of opportunities and venues where volunteer racers could be of invaluable service to the coalition - provided they'd let us.
If that would happen, it would be critical that any branding/signage would be consistent from display to display, at every venue across the country.
But I suspect we'll have to let the dust of reorganization settle before that will happen.
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Great idea Mike. Another place for a sign might be somewhere close to the Interstate, like maybe a bill board close to the Salt Flat Cave.
How about one on the museum property?
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One of my big gripes is that the STS message isn't reaching East past SLC.
A sign, some flyers, a sheet that the person showing the car can use to prioritize information in a conversation about Bonneville . . .
I get opportunities to show the Midget ALL THE TIME.
There are a ton of opportunities and venues where volunteer racers could be of invaluable service to the coalition - provided they'd let us.
If that would happen, it would be critical that any branding/signage would be consistent from display to display, at every venue across the country.
But I suspect we'll have to let the dust of reorganization settle before that will happen.
I sent an e-mail off to STS. Louise responded and seemed really enthused with the idea. I think we'll see something come of this pretty soon.
I like the idea of a standardized sign that's downloadable. I had a poster made of my first build at the local copy place. It's probably 18x24" on glossy enamel paper and it only cost about $25. Not too bad. Any copy place should be able to make sandwich board sized signs. Getting the word out is the best way we can support the cause.
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Downloadable is good.
Help us spread the word worldwide.
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I'm with Charlie on this let's spread it worldwide.
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The Utah Coalition and Save the Salt etc must be aware that British and European riders/drivers have been to the salt; tried to race on the salt this year and last; will want to race at Bonneville SF in the future.
There are a few more competitive events to be held over here in the next five weeks or so, then we have club and international shows in the British Isles, before pavement racing starts again in March '16.
Individuals and organisations will want to help as much as possible, so show signs will help over here as Charlie and 'Paso' have said.
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The Utah Coalition and Save the Salt etc must be aware that British and European riders/drivers have been to the salt; tried to race on the salt this year and last; will want to race at Bonneville SF in the future.
There are a few more competitive events to be held over here in the next five weeks or so, then we have club and international shows in the British Isles, before pavement racing starts again in March '16.
Individuals and organisations will want to help as much as possible, so show signs will help over here as Charlie and 'Paso' have said.
And Malcolm, it's been my anecdotal experience that there remains a much higher awareness of LSR in Great Britain than in the US. Historically, I attribute that to Campbell and Eyston, but given the high visibility that the Bloodhound project has generated, the possibility of STS piggybacking on that visibility could prove to be a tactical international lynchpin in raising awareness.
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Good thing Bloodhound wasn't going to run on the salt hey????. :evil:
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Perhaps it is because of the 'corporate' involvement in LSR by British Motoring Companies (MG, Healey, Sunbeam, Triumph, JCB, etc..) as well as by individuals who knew how to project themselves to the British public, that we in the UK are blessed with many collections hosting historic LSR vehicles and LSR bikes. These are open to the public on a daily basis, so they too need the STS information.
Although Richard Noble ran at Bonneville with Thrust 2, his best performance and all of his later vehicles (including Bloodhound) have been designed around the playa surface, not salt. But having said that Richard and Andy are both in the '2 Club'. Does the STS have access to the mailing lists of the organisations which run alongside the racer groups using the salt? [Are they ready to harness the worldwide attention?]
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35,000 + Facebook Likes for BloodhoundSSC tells its own story, so yup, STS ought to be targeting those people as well.
Pre WW2 the whole Thomas/Segrave/Campbell/Eyston/Cobb lsr evolution got more publicity that track racing - mainly because we didn't have the cars to compete at the top level. That was followed by the whole Donald Campbell, son of lsr legend, media saga to support his projects. That mantle was in turn picked up by Richard Noble. When I was a kid growing up, it was Cobb (my personal hero) and Campbell but for just about anybody under 40-45 today in the UK and many other parts of the world, record breaking means Richard Noble and Andy Green.
Robin
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THE UTAH ALLIANCE AND SAVE THE SALT ARE WORKING ON A GENERIC SIGN THAT ALL RACERS CAN USE AT CAR SHOWS. IT IS A GREAT IDEA. BE PATIENT, IT IS NOT AT THE OF OF THE LIST, BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT. LOOK FOR SOMETHING POSTED ON THE UA AND STS WEBSITE AS LR.COM FORUM POSTING SIZE LIMITS ARE NOT COMMENSURATE WITH THE SIZE REQUIRED FOR A HIGH QUALITY REPRODUCTION DOWNLOAD FILE.
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I think that a .pdf file should not be that large.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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STS, please make the sign/article able to be used at ANY car show, not specifying that THIS car runs at B-ville.
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I think that Jon's original idea that he be the one to print the signs is a good one. His generosity by providing this site is why all this happening. So he needs to get some compensation by printing and sending signs to the exhibitors.
The original file should be available, but if you are having a sign printed, give SSS the first shot at it.
Don
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Posting a sign that anyone can use is probably the best outcome. Jon would have to print them and then ship them and all of that would cost the people displaying them time and money. Even he thinks that would hurt the effort. Let's give Jon credit for having this forum to make this a reality.
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Geez, the way you're talking about this dude named "Jon" makes me kinda wonder. . . :?
Okay -- I can post a downloadable pdf here and would be happy to do so. If it is too big to fit in as a "regular" attachment here in the Forum -- well, that's what we've got Bob the Web Elf for -- he can make it work (you can, Bob, cancha? Don't make me a liar, you hear?)
I'll be happy to help out however it needs doing. Stan has a fine point -- shipping them thar things'll be expensive - so if I can host the original art for 'em and you each go to your local sign shop to have them download and print -- that'd be great.
"You tell me what to make, Father, and I'll do it. I stole LOTS of wood from the building site."
I mean, that is, you tell me what you want me to do and I'll do it. Maybe you don't remember that old joke. :-D
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Jon does not need to be saddled with buying envelopes, filling out addresses, buying postage and ensuring mailings.
Send LR.com a donation that does not require him working extra to support the website. For that matter, send 1/2 and consider making a contribution to STS in November, the BSF restoration is gonna need it.
We will post the link on LR.com to download the PDF on the www.save-the-salt.org website
Easy, quick, no babysitting.
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When I display my Rear Engine Modified Roadster at the Jalopyrama Reunion I look forward to having a sign to help spread the word about the Salt Flats situation. Every chance I get I explain the to those interested about the problem. This being an East Coast event getting the word out at this big show I feel will help greatly.
Now can we expect to have something downloadable in time for the date of this event?
Jalopyrama Reunion
Saturday, October 24th, 2015
8 a.m. - 5 p.m.
Where
Carroll County Agricultural (Ag) Center
Shipley Arena
706 Agriculture Center Drive
Westminster, MD 21157
Schedule of events:
Gates open at 8 a.m.
Entry: $10 per person kids under 12 free
Panel Jam: 1 p.m.
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Getting the sign done by the 24th is a push - we are focused on getting things ready for the SEMA show - but there is hope.
The sign is low priority in comparison to SEMA, but we recognize it si a big deal for racers and have already sorted the text and some images, so work has been done on it already, just not enough yet.
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A sign is a low priority! Not everyone goes to SEMA I'm willing to continue to spread the word as best as I can however I'm getting horse doing all the talking it would be nice to get some help. I also hate sounding like a broken record when I explain how the condtions have deteriated to the point where we may not race again for some time on the salt. A sign sure would help. OH WELL
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Chris... it is time... :cheers:
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Nancy and I are going to the PRI (for the first time) this year, and I'm pretty sure there'll be something there in re: saving the salt (note small letters). I'm not going to subject any of the groups to diminution by incorrect hyphens or something. I know, though, that SEMA - who owns PRI - is very aggressively supporting the concept of getting us a racetrack soonest possible (writ the way we sorta selfishly see it).
Maybe I'll start a topic to let those of us that are thinking of attending the 9-12 December, Indianapolis, show -- can stay in touch and make plans to do what we can.
Deep enough!
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Chris... it is time... :cheers:
Bob, I think you're right.
Getting the sign done by the 24th is a push - we are focused on getting things ready for the SEMA show - but there is hope.
The sign is low priority in comparison to SEMA, but we recognize it si a big deal for racers and have already sorted the text and some images, so work has been done on it already, just not enough yet.
Louise, seriously now, you've told us of the innumerable unbillable hours you're throwing at this, the copy is done, you've got images you want to integrate, but the organization can't delegate a simple project like layouts for flyers and a poster?
I deal with ad agencies and PR firms all the time - this is a job for interns and volunteers.
Why have you not reached out to us? There is a wealth of talent on these boards willing and able to help.
if we could have about 499 more of you it would surely "save the salt."
We're here, we're concerned - why has the coalition not turned to their largest captive group of potential volunteers?
I've been in bands with drummers . . . yes, DRUMMERS . . . who can cut and paste copy and images into cohesive posters and flyers. I know there are others here who are waiting for an opportunity to do something other than speculate, complain and let our imaginations run wild.
We are your resources, and handing off the work will shut us all up and let us feel like we're contributing.
Then, all you have to do is edit.
300 unbillable hours? Climb down from the cross - we're going to need the lumber and nails for signs.
Louise . . . the coalition needs to let us help.
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Right on point Chris.
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Patience is a virtue rarely exhibited by people who demand freebies.
Anyone wishing to PAY for the design services for a sign please send me a PM
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Patience is a virtue rarely exhibited by people who demand freebies.
Anyone wishing to PAY for the design services for a sign please send me a PM
DID I MISS SOMETHING I THOUGHT THE IDEA WAS FOR ALL OF US TO HELP> SO I SHOULD REQUEST COMPENSATION FOR THE 600 MILES TO BRING MY LSR CAR TO THE EVENT PLUS GET COMPENSATON FOR LODGING AND EVERYTHING ELSE> NOW I GET IT! Well I'm going to attend the event like planed I will spread the word best I can that's the least I can and no I wont ask for compensation.
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Patience is a virtue rarely exhibited by people who demand freebies.
"Many hands make for light work."
P.F. Chang
I think we're offering a freebie . . . :wink:
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Lets all remember, LAN may not be every thing you think she should be. But she speaks the language of bureaucrats, lawyers, and PR people. People who you and I may not really want to be involved with. And she is on our side. So be glad for what you have. I think.
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Lets all remember, LAN may not be every thing you think she should be. But she speaks the language of bureaucrats, lawyers, and PR people. People who you and I may not really want to be involved with. And she is on our side. So be glad for what you have. I think.
Precisely - The alliance would be quicker on its feet, and Louise's talents, better utilized by taking the small stuff off of her plate.
I believe not seeking help is what bogged down STS in the first place. If that pattern repeats, the results will be the same.
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My father once told me ... "If you find yourself in a hole, STOP digging."
DW
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Louise, I think what you have is a bunch of willing vounteers ready and able to help. Why don't you ask for volunteers to do the job and then pick maybe three and give them each the relevant materials. Upon completion they could each submit their work and you either pick the best or combine the features of those submitted and broadcast the result. This way you wouldn't be carrying all the load and you could use your time for what you do best.
Pete
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All you would need to do is post some basic criteria and concepts for the sign and let folks offer layouts that meet those guide lines
How big do you want the signs to be? (how far away should an average viewer with 20/15 vision be able to read the sign)
A short sentence or two giving the intended message the sign should convey.
Perhaps color choices, ie (white poster board black printing at least 2" high for primary text)
black and white only?
Three colors, white background black printing with one other high contrast color for key points?
Do you want an image or line art and text only?
STS needs to outline a key concept the sign should convey above all other considerations such as:
Bonneville is in danger!
A vanishing resource is rapidly being destroyed!
Lack of action is destroying a national treasure!
Do you want your grand children to be able to see the salt flats?
Then let creative minds go to work.
Choose the best 1 - 3 offers and say these are the chosen messages use and distribute as you wish with proper credit to STS
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FWIW, Louise, climb down off of your high horse and quit trying to set yourself up as a martyr. If you actually want to accomplish something, then stop with the self aggrandizing bull shit and accept some of the help that has been offered. If on the other hand you are actually gaming the issue for personal or professional gain, they you're digging yourself a huge hole with your actions.
Attacking everyone who offers help, or at least dismissing the offers as some sort of insult to you, is not productive.
This is not about you, Louise, it's about the our shared National Treasure. No one has attacked you yet, only offered help. However, you seem to see every offer of help as a personal affront. STOP IT.
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Well, this has certainly gotten out of control.
Lets go back to my original post..............
I'm going to ask the STS folks for some input on this but thought you guys might want to get in on the wording.
Please help out.
I didn't ask Louise to do this. I asked for suggestions for the wording of a sign. I haven't seen any.
I believe Louise has her priorities correct. At the average Podunk car/bike show, probably half the people have never heard of Bonneville and 95% of the rest don't give a $hit. SEMA is a whole different ballgame. 125,000 attendees who make their living from all things automotive & motorcycle. Hundreds of businesses who want to sell stuff to salt flats racers. Hundreds of CEOs who have lunch with congressmen. It's important that STS and the UC make a big impression.
I think we'll have a standardized sign soon.
In the meantime I'll just make my own.
Now, about those suggestions.............
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How about
WAS BONNEVILLE SPEEDWEEK ON YOUR BUCKET LIST?
TOO BAD... STRIP MINING HAS ALREADY SCRATCHED IT OFF!
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If I made my own sign for a car show and really wanted to get the point across, I would show a picture of my car on the salt when it was nice and white and in pristine shape and put the year the picture was taken.
Then below that picture I would put a picture of my car sunk up to its axles in mud with some speckles of salt around it and have today's date.
Below that I would have something that would state we need help in restoring the Bonneville Salt Flats. In essence you would be showing a Before with a year date, and Today with a year date. To me that would be very convincing to anyone that would walk by, and I am sure would start a conversation on what is going on at Bonneville. Then maybe have a handout that would give all the contact email addresses and phone numbers of the people who can make a difference and ask the people walking by to help us save a national treasure.
Tom G.
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Tom - and others: As I was reading your post about making up a sign of your own - with the before and after photos -- maybe I could do this for us.
How 'bout if I take the chosen/approved design for the "poster" and use it as a basis for the art on t-shirts? We'd reference lr.com, sure, but most of the design could be information on saving the salt/restoring the salt/figuring out what the heck went wrong to give us today's conditions and so on. If we do it simply enough (that I don't have to worry about color balance and stuff like that) we could make them fro pretty inexpensive enough that the website could sell them and make a buck or two on them -- but still offer them at a cost that'd allow you to buy some for whenever you go to a show, a race, an event, and so on. A batch of frustrated racers wearing the same shirt(s) would sure enough attract attention to our plight.
Whaddaya tink?
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Great idea SSS :cheers:
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FWIW, Louise, climb down off of your high horse and quit trying to set yourself up as a martyr. If you actually want to accomplish something, then stop with the self aggrandizing bull Subaru and accept some of the help that has been offered. If on the other hand you are actually gaming the issue for personal or professional gain, they you're digging yourself a huge hole with your actions.
Attacking everyone who offers help, or at least dismissing the offers as some sort of insult to you, is not productive.
This is not about you, Louise, it's about the our shared National Treasure. No one has attacked you yet, only offered help. However, you seem to see every offer of help as a personal affront. STOP IT.
whizbang I don't think this kind of remark is called for, if you have a problem with Louis deal with her off line.
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Tom - and others: As I was reading your post about making up a sign of your own - with the before and after photos -- maybe I could do this for us.
How 'bout if I take the chosen/approved design for the "poster" and use it as a basis for the art on t-shirts? We'd reference lr.com, sure, but most of the design could be information on saving the salt/restoring the salt/figuring out what the heck went wrong to give us today's conditions and so on. If we do it simply enough (that I don't have to worry about color balance and stuff like that) we could make them fro pretty inexpensive enough that the website could sell them and make a buck or two on them -- but still offer them at a cost that'd allow you to buy some for whenever you go to a show, a race, an event, and so on. A batch of frustrated racers wearing the same shirt(s) would sure enough attract attention to our plight.
Whaddaya tink?
And Jon, as in ANY form of PR, it's critical to keep the message consistent.
To anyone thinking about this, I'd suggest cluing in STS, and at least getting a verbal okay before heading off to the print shop.
The best lesson I ever learned about branding came out of Disney - "Don't Mess with the Mouse".
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Thanks for your back-to-the-world comment, Glen. I appreciate the feelings and emotions we've all got about the salt (and dang near everything else, of course), and it's too danged easy for those feelings rise to the top and be expressed in a manner that can easily be misinterpreted. Please note, Whiz and all -- I'm not taking a position to scold anyone nor try to steer the conversation, but rather I'm applauding glen's effort to keep us focused on the salt - not what might be considered a personal attack.
Let's all play nicely together. Thanks. :-)
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How about
WAS BONNEVILLE SPEEDWEEK ON YOUR BUCKET LIST?
TOO BAD... STRIP MINING HAS ALREADY SCRATCHED IT OFF!
Stainless that's certainly an easy enough sign to duplicate. :-D
BUT The Jalopy Rama show is always an uplifting event I would rather inform but not devastate the attendees. So it looks like no sign about the salt situation will be included in my display oh well I tried. :-(
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RR is right. That sign would imply that the salt is already gone, and it is of no use to try to do something. The sign should encourage people to do something before it becomes to late.
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FWIW, Louise, climb down off of your high horse and quit trying to set yourself up as a martyr. If you actually want to accomplish something, then stop with the self aggrandizing bull Subaru and accept some of the help that has been offered. If on the other hand you are actually gaming the issue for personal or professional gain, they you're digging yourself a huge hole with your actions.
Attacking everyone who offers help, or at least dismissing the offers as some sort of insult to you, is not productive.
This is not about you, Louise, it's about the our shared National Treasure. No one has attacked you yet, only offered help. However, you seem to see every offer of help as a personal affront. STOP IT.
whizbang I don't think this kind of remark is called for, if you have a problem with Louis deal with her off line.
nevermind. You all have fun in the sandbox.
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My suggestion would be keep the sign simple with a simple message...
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/STS-Sign-2.jpg)
Use your car or someone else's or just a picture of the salt flats.
Then have a stack of flyers next to the sign. The flyers could have more detail and provide information that would help them in contacting someone at the government level as has been provided on this site already,
Sumner
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If I could use that image and change the last caption I can post it on Linkedin
if you guys think it would help?. :cheers:
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FWIW, Louise, climb down off of your high horse and quit trying to set yourself up as a martyr. If you actually want to accomplish something, then stop with the self aggrandizing bull Subaru and accept some of the help that has been offered. If on the other hand you are actually gaming the issue for personal or professional gain, they you're digging yourself a huge hole with your actions.
Attacking everyone who offers help, or at least dismissing the offers as some sort of insult to you, is not productive.
This is not about you, Louise, it's about the our shared National Treasure. No one has attacked you yet, only offered help. However, you seem to see every offer of help as a personal affront. STOP IT.
Ditto JL222
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I like WhizzbangK.C.
He tells it like it is. Honest and direct. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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My suggestion would be keep the sign simple with a simple message...
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/STS-Sign-2.jpg)
Use your car or someone else's or just a picture of the salt flats.
Then have a stack of flyers next to the sign. The flyers could have more detail and provide information that would help them in contacting someone at the government level as has been provided on this site already,
Sumner
EXACTLY! :cheers:
Sumner, that's terrific and it's what I was seeking in the first place. Your car would be perfect because it still looks like a car (well, kinda' :roll:). A motorcycle that still appears to be a motorcycle would be good too. ( I think it's a little hard for local show attendees to relate to pics of the Speed Demon and Ack Attack. They're too far "out there".) The wording is great and gets people interested. I'd add just a bit more - "Sadly, we are losing the world famous Bonneville Salt Flats race courses." The rest is perfect.
This is great. This is progress.
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If possible I would hope a copy of the Car and Driver story could be included with the hand out. The idea that 43 years ago, the operator of the salt works was open about the plan being eventual removal of all the salt they could get at, shows that what is happening now is not weather related. The loss of salt works jobs in Wendover is inevitable. The loss of racer dollars is not.
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... The loss of salt works jobs in Wendover is inevitable. The loss of racer dollars is not....
That is a great point and one that the local community should really take into consideration. Short term gains might just be that in the long run if there is no salt for the racers to come back to and they loose out on income for years to come.
I agree with you that the article with the plant employee's prediction of no more Bonneville Salt Flats at some point due to mining is most damaging to the BLM's stance that mining hasn't hurt the salt,
Sumner
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Tom - and others: As I was reading your post about making up a sign of your own - with the before and after photos -- maybe I could do this for us.
How 'bout if I take the chosen/approved design for the "poster" and use it as a basis for the art on t-shirts? We'd reference lr.com, sure, but most of the design could be information on saving the salt/restoring the salt/figuring out what the heck went wrong to give us today's conditions and so on. If we do it simply enough (that I don't have to worry about color balance and stuff like that) we could make them fro pretty inexpensive enough that the website could sell them and make a buck or two on them -- but still offer them at a cost that'd allow you to buy some for whenever you go to a show, a race, an event, and so on. A batch of frustrated racers wearing the same shirt(s) would sure enough attract attention to our plight.
Whaddaya tink?
Jon,
Sounds good to me. You can count me in on buying a TeeShirt, just make sure it is a xxl. :-)
Tom G.
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I had my car on display at the Tucson Classics Car Show yesterday and had an opportunity to tell a number of people about the deteriorating salt conditions. I'm really sorry I didn't see that poster design in time to make a stack of copies for handouts. It looks simple & to the point- good job!
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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I recently attended the Colorado Mile and The Race of Gentlemen. I made a point of wearing one of my "Save the Salt" t-shirts almost every day. I had plenty of opportunities to share about the problem. It would be nice to have fliers or a tri-fold to pass out with more information. That way people might remember longer. A poster sized sign would also be helpful. I would be willing to pay for the materials - a small investment compared to my car.
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The Texas Mile will be running this coming weekend; It would be nice to have something to bring with me to that event.
If something is ready, in time, I'll print it out myself and bring it with me. I'm sure there are others that will do the same.
Rouse
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This is what should make a quickie Tee
Bonneville Salt Flats
The National Treasure That Needs Your
Help !!!
It’s disappearing before our eyes
I've put in my order to SSS.
Rouse
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Or international treasure,
David :-)
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Or international treasure,
David :-)
That too.
Rouse
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My problem is -- how do I help (on a T-shirt or poster)?
That's what's kept me from making the poster. I coulda done it. I know how to do it. When I bought and designed billboards (kinda similar) six words were the max. I don't know how to even present STS (S-T-S), whatever. We're only together on this in the goal. Not in the doing.
I'll think of this the next week in Cabo. Let me know if you come up with something brilliant.
Stan
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Got Salt - Not!
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I think we need to be cautious in the sign creation department - and while I would prefer to see something in the form of at least a template - and sooner than later - I think the message on the sign, the layout, the logo, all needs to be consistent.
I can't argue with any of the sentiments posted as proposals, but I also believe the branding and message needs to be consistent from event to event, car to car, racer to racer. When that occurs, then our personal stories and viewpoints will have a greater impact with those we interact with.
I maintain this task should be farmed out to somebody less busy, but I also believe it should move forward quickly and with an approval from STS.
A boatload of home made signs will make us look like an angry mob - and in a lot of ways, we are. But a consistent logo and message will make us look like a well organized angry mob, and that's the group that I think will likely be more effective.
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I'd say I'm more like the hungry buzzard sitting on a fence post thinking, patients my a$$.
Rouse
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I think we need to be cautious in the sign creation department - and while I would prefer to see something in the form of at least a template - and sooner than later - I think the message on the sign, the layout, the logo, all needs to be consistent.
I can't argue with any of the sentiments posted as proposals, but I also believe the branding and message needs to be consistent from event to event, car to car, racer to racer. When that occurs, then our personal stories and viewpoints will have a greater impact with those we interact with.
I maintain this task should be farmed out to somebody less busy, but I also believe it should move forward quickly and with an approval from STS.
A boatload of home made signs will make us look like an angry mob - and in a lot of ways, we are. But a consistent logo and message will make us look like a well organized angry mob, and that's the group that I think will likely be more effective.
I agree a uniform sign should be the prioroty but as we read SEMA comes first. The indoor car show season is now underway at least here on the East Coast its to bad were missing these opportunities.
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A boatload of home made signs will make us look like an angry mob - and in a lot of ways, we are. But a consistent logo and message will make us look like a well organized angry mob, and that's the group that I think will likely be more effective.
I thought variety was the spice of life.
Isn't that what LSR is all about? :evil: :evil: :evil:
I don't think it matters what the signs look like as long as there are signs and they are appropriate, and the car owner has the added contact information to hand out so people can make a difference.
If and when an organization comes up with a template you can change to that if you want.
IMO this is one of those topic's you have to run with while the iron is hot. And right now the iron is HOT.
Tom G.
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A boatload of home made signs will make us look like an angry mob - and in a lot of ways, we are. But a consistent logo and message will make us look like a well organized angry mob, and that's the group that I think will likely be more effective.
I thought variety was the spice of life.
Isn't that what LSR is all about? :evil: :evil: :evil:
I don't think it matters what the signs look like as long as there are signs and they are appropriate, and the car owner has the added contact information to hand out so people can make a difference.
If and when an organization comes up with a template you can change to that if you want.
IMO this is one of those topic's you have to run with while the iron is hot. And right now the iron is HOT.
Tom G.
I agree totally. It isn't like the people at a car show are likely to go to other shows and compare signs and question that there isn't a united front on this.
The main thing is to include links to STS and The Utah Alliance so they can keep up in the future with what is going on along with this site.
Trying to get STS, the Utah Alliance and everyone else on the same page as far as a poster goes might take some time. Like Tom says "IMO this is one of those topic's you have to run with while the iron is hot. And right now the iron is",
Sumner
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This is an example of what I am talking about.
Tom G.
PS. Use a picture like this on a business card and have all the contacts on the back for a handout.
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(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15426.0;attach=53099;image)
This is an example of what I am talking about.
Tom G.
PS. Use a picture like this on a business card and have all the contacts on the back for a handout.
I like it and the business cards is a great idea. A person is less apt to loose that compared to a flyer :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:,
Sum
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It caught my eye.
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I played around with Tom's card this morning.
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/STS-bus-card%20size.jpg)
Above it is in Business Card size of 2 X 3 1/2 and it would be easy to have these printed up and being on one side only would cost less. A printer or online service could put your car or someone else's on but I like Tom's myself.
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/STS%20Poster%20Size.jpg)
Above is a larger version that could also be made into a poster or sign. People could take a picture of it with their phone and have the contact info for later,
Sumner
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Great work! I'm going to print some up and pass around at a local car show this weekend. Could I make one suggestion (since you have the "original")?
It seems to me that getting the word "Bonneville" on this would be key. Might I suggest in the box containing "for more information" you substitute
"Preserve the Bonneville International Speedway". I think it has more impact / name recognition. Just my 2 cents but THANK YOU for the grass-roots effort, in any event!
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Great work! I'm going to print some up and pass around at a local car show this weekend. Could I make one suggestion (since you have the "original")?
It seems to me that getting the word "Bonneville" on this would be key. Might I suggest in the box containing "for more information" you substitute
"Preserve the Bonneville International Speedway". I think it has more impact / name recognition. Just my 2 cents but THANK YOU for the grass-roots effort, in any event!
To save space how about "the Bonneville Salt flats are disapearing"
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... It seems to me that getting the word "Bonneville" on this would be key. Might I suggest in the box containing "for more information" you substitute
"Preserve the Bonneville International Speedway"...
Not room to put that in the area by the links and if we start adding too much wordage it will have to be in a very small font and loose impact. How about this as far as getting "Bonneville" in the message ...
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/STS-bus-card%20size-2.jpg)
...Business Card size above...
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/STS%20Poster%20Size-2.jpg)
...Possible Poster size above. Not sure how it would re-produce larger but a printer could make both of these better pretty easy I would think and you could always change some of it to what you liked. This is just to get things rolling.
The key is the link to the two sites and then let them decide how to convey the message and activate support for the cause,
Sumner
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I LIKE IT!! I will print up some cards and distribute to anyone remotely interested. Hope lots of people do the same.
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Maybe someone attending SEMA (sadly, not me) could print up a bazillion and distribute freely.
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I like these slightly better myself...
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/STS-bus-card%20size-3.jpg)
...and...
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/STS%20Poster%20Size-3.jpg)
Sumner
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Maybe...
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It wouldn't cost much more, if any, to have several different vehicles on the cards/posters. Same info and format, just a few different vehicle pictures. A roadster, bike, lakester, truck, liner, etc so it might appeal to more people.
If someone is going and wanted to do this I will help some with the cost of printing. PM me if interested.
Ron
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I've heard the ads for card printing companies on line -- saying they'll now make cards with a different picture on each card - for not all that much of a cost. Or cards with text/art on both sides. I got some for us with a photo on one side and text on the other -- for something like $16/100. How many do each of you need? Might be worth doing -- and it was quick, too.
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Multiple vehicles etc. nice, but more complex, "somebody" has to coordinate, etc. etc.
Simpler solution - EVERYBODY get a package of Avery business cards (200 @ $!0.79 on Amazon, slightly higher at Staples of Office Depot) print your own from this artwork and give them out. repeat as necessary. Not expensive, no distribution issues, but hopefully some awareness to people that might be interested.
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Wow Sumner, nice work. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Is there any way we could keep the black line in the picture?
Here is another example keeping the black line and more salt in the picture, but I am not very good at this type stuff. Feel free to modify. Originally I thought I read we were limited to six words, hence the reason for so few on the first picture.
Tom G.
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...Is there any way we could keep the black line in the picture? Tom G.
I didn't like taking it out but wanted to get the "The Salt is Disappearing" to stand out more. On the poster size format there is a lot more room to work with. Trying to get it all down to a 2" X 3 1/2" format it becomes more difficult to get the picture and the whole message across.
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/tom-3.jpg)
Above is your picture reduced to 3 1/2 inches wide. The problem is that it is then 2 1/2 inches high (higher than a business card). If I reduce the height then it isn't 3 1/2 inches long any longer unless I distort the picture. So to make it fit the card I have to cut the top off...
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/tom-4.jpg)
...as shown above. That looks ok if the text is large enough to easily read, but is it? I have the picture sizes set for 3 1/2 X 2 and on my screen they show up larger than that so consider that when looking at the different options.
I took your idea, which I thought was great, and tweaked it a little not meaning for it to be a universal format for everyone. I'd say people should do what they feel works best for them. The main point is to get the links in there to the two organizations that are working on the problem.
Nothing wrong with these having different looks in my opinion as long as there is a message that gets people interested and sends them off in the right direction for further info,
Sumner
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For comparison side by side here are the two versions that are sized 2 X 3 1/2..
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/STS-bus-card%20size-3.jpg)
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/tom-4.jpg)
One should measure them on the screen and then visualize them the correct size or try printing them out,
Sumner
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I took your idea, which I thought was great, and tweaked it a little not meaning for it to be a universal format for everyone. I'd say people should do what they feel works best for them. The main point is to get the links in there to the two organizations that are working on the problem.
Nothing wrong with these having different looks in my opinion as long as there is a message that gets people interested and sends them off in the right direction for further info,
Sumner
Sumner,
I agree completely, and my intent was to get people thinking what they could actually do with their car or bike, by just inserting a few words to get the message out.
Just like you did with Hooley's car. :cheers: :cheers:
Thanks again, I see what you are saying on the small print. Just more food for thought for anyone interested in doing something like this with their vehicle.
Tom G.
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I'll tip my hat a little bit here -- by telling you that you might ask Johnnie Rouse what he's thinking of doing about helping to save the salt.
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OK SSS
I'll say it, I bought Tee Shirts to wear to racing, automotive events, biker rallies, and what ever. Thanks to SSS, he did a great job and turned shirts around in no time at all.
In addition to the Tee shirts, Sum's card idea is a damn good idea, so I'm taking pictures of my race bikes for the background and making up cards to handout at every place people may have an interest.
Most successful endeavors are well organized and timely, now is timely, we can all get more organized as time goes on, so at this point I think timely means start getting the word out NOW.
Now I have to figure out how to make business Cards.
Rouse
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... Sum's card idea is a Dodge good idea...
Actually the idea to have business cards wasn't mine and the credit goes to ....
This is an example of what I am talking about.
Tom G.
PS. Use a picture like this on a business card and have all the contacts on the back for a handout.
Sum
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Sum, I had to give credit to somebody so your name seemed good enough to me, Tom G. sorry about that, Your idea is a great one.
The point I was trying to make was to get the word out.
Rouse
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We will be using this when we show our bikes in the winter at various events in the UK . I am giving a talk at a local motorcycle club in the Welsh borders shortly. Lots of interest in Land speed racing in the uk.
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For business cards use Avery.com. It's free, you design your own card and they save your design. You can go back anytime and print some more.
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We've had similar good results with Vista Print. but whatever you do - even going to the local print shop where you've got a buddy - it's wortth a try, isn't it? :-D
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Well, this time I'll post it as a .jpg file.... :-D
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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PUFF!!!!!@@@@!!!! no salt.
Rouse
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To Johnnie Rouse, and the Paso54 guys, Thanks for your efforts. :cheers: :cheers:
Neil, Great picture. That has given me an idea for the back of the business card. I checked and it is really cheap to have the back of a business card done, so my thought is that would be a great picture for the background of the contact information on the back side of the card.
Tom G.
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Use it if you like, Tom G.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Strongly recommend one-sided. The picture is the hook, for what you REALLY want them to see which is the message. Keeping both in the same place locks the 2 together. Putting the message on the back dilutes the emotional impact. If you were selling the car, would you put your contact info and price on the back?
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It makes me happy that alot of you racers are getting the word out about bonneville, but one suggestion, lets be a bit more postive, this is something that needs to be done in the right way, the picture on the card is a little much. Also remember I have been promoting the salt flats my whole life, its my home, so just be polite to my roots!
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How about a WANTED! poster?
MISSING!
REWARD!
That starting line pic would be perfect.
Sam
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From the Utah salt Alliance FB site:
"
Rick Vesco ▶ Utah Alliance Save the Salt
After 100 years of historic record setting on the Bonneville Salt Flats, the International Raceway is Out of Service due to neglect and mismanagement."
Boom...
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Guess we're next! :-o
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/24/blm-illegally-sold-thousands-wild-horses-slaughter/
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I decided to go with a two sided business card. The pictures below will be the front and back of the card. I hope this inspires others to spread the word.
Tom G.
PS. As a side note, I don't feel anyone would show any disrespect on the cards. Everyone must remember some people have many years of their lives invested in their race vehicles, let alone the monetary investment. So it is only natural for them to be very upset and frustrated with what is happening to the condition of the salt. Also remember Time for some of us is not on our side, so waiting 10 years for conditions to improve is not acceptable.
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It makes me happy that alot of you racers are getting the word out about bonneville, but one suggestion, lets be a bit more postive, this is something that needs to be done in the right way, the picture on the card is a little much. Also remember I have been promoting the salt flats my whole life, its my home, so just be polite to my roots!
There probably isn't a more positive bunch of racing enthusiast out there than the folks on this site, me included, along with the rest.
I personally don't think that it's my place or anyone else to tell folks what to say nor how to say it. Truth is, folks have been told how they should say things, as not to offend, for so long that it nearly makes it impossible to have an intellectual debate about anything. First thing you know someone pops up and starts raging on folks for how they say something on the subject matter, and then the whole point is lost on weather or not they are playing nice. BS!
The best debate takes place when all the cards are laid on the table, "blood, guts, and feathers", at that point informed decisions can be made based on all the fact, not just some PC BS.
How does it help to tell someone how great they are doing their job, when in fact, their pour performance is creating a complete catastrophe. That's the same as giving out trophies for just being there.
Maybe the federal bureaucrats need to adopt the same work incentives I have at my shop, Work or get fired!
Rouse
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some have lived in Wendover for decades....many, many others have
been racing on the Bonneville Salt Flats for decades......
one is being mined, and disappearing
one supports the mining that has been contributing to the disappearance
of the other...
one has been the "home" for landspeed enthusiasts of many many decades...
praise to those "polite" to their roots....(that goes both ways)...
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hmmm just saying there is a difference from living some where for decades, and going there for one week for decades, saying you need the people from Wendover to be on your side, this is our home and not our vacation place! We are concerned about the Salt Flats, all of it, not just the racing or the mining side, ALL of the things that they are. Its part of our History as a town, so just take it down a notch and think before you put something out there that is just for shock value, its the smart thing to do!
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hmmm just saying there is a difference from living some where for decades, and going there for one week for decades, saying you need the people from Wendover to be on your side, this is our home and not our vacation place! We are concerned about the Salt Flats, all of it, not just the racing or the mining side, ALL of the things that they are. Its part of our History as a town, so just take it down a notch and think before you put something out there that is just for shock value, its the smart thing to do!
Mike,
This situation has been coming for decades, the slowly but surely depletion of the world renowned Bonneville Speedway. You may want to remind yourself that for a great number of folks that visit your community each year, it's not "Just" racing, it's their lively hood. Yes, big surprise, there are folks that do in fact make a living involving a vast variety of racing activities. In fact racing related businesses generate multi-millions in revenue annually, some of which your community benefits greatly from each year.
For as long as I can remember the racers have, for the most part at least, been patient and quietly petitioning the powers that be, to stop the destruction that has slowly but surely been taking place. Racers and others have contributed untold amounts of money to organizations to petition and otherwise work with all parties involved, in effort to help resolve the inevitable total destruction of the Speedway area before it's simply to late. So far as I see it, based on results, all these efforts have gone toward a losing battle.
Now that there are a few of us out here making up Tee shirts and cards that call attention to the situation with Bonneville, informing folks where and how they may be able to help save Bonneville, you are trying to quail the conversation. "I Don't Get It"!
If you have a specific objection to calling attention to what's happening, just say it. If you are insinuating that we all just sit quietly by while the destruction of this national treasure is completed, that ain't going to happen.
Rouse
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Looks like they made a sign. Only place I have seen it is in facebook though. Here is the link https://www.facebook.com/savethesaltutah/photos/a.1516645281991003.1073741829.1514987842156747/1519512288370969/?type=3&theater
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I am sure they will be available at the SEMA SHOW NOW GOING ON.
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Looks like they made a sign. Only place I have seen it is in facebook though. Here is the link https://www.facebook.com/savethesaltutah/photos/a.1516645281991003.1073741829.1514987842156747/1519512288370969/?type=3&theater
Tried to download it, all I got was a jpeg no PDF available
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Looks like they made a sign. Only place I have seen it is in facebook though. Here is the link https://www.facebook.com/savethesaltutah/photos/a.1516645281991003.1073741829.1514987842156747/1519512288370969/?type=3&theater
Tried to download it, all I got was a jpeg no PDF available
Yeah, it says on the post that a PDF is available but I didn't see it either. Here is the link to the JPEG on the save-the-salt.org website http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55e33a61e4b0eea3c34fcb83/t/562e628ee4b0b7a642180e22/1445880462149/ShrinkingSaltPoster.jpg it's easier to read than the facebook post I posted earlier.
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Wow finally a sign has been made for all. Thanks should go to SEMA if that event wasn't taking place this sign probably would not exist.
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Ronnie, it's not a sign - it's the video script with a logo.
I think we're still looking for a sign. :|
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Ronnie, it's not a sign - it's the video script with a logo.
I think we're still looking for a sign. :|
yep
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John Young with his Triumph J.A.P and myself with the "Parny Express EVO" were at the Bristol Classic bike show (UK ) last weekend on the NSA stand lots of interest in Bonneville and the lack of salt. Trying to make a difference from this side of the pond. :-)
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And we (Yank) rebels appreciate your efforts! :cheers: :cheers:
And yes I know the Welsh are rebels too having spent a year working in Swansea in days gone by! :-D
I would fly into Birmingham to visit the motorcycle museum and then drive to Wales to work at Visteon! :cheers:
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And we (Yank) rebels appreciate your efforts! :cheers: :cheers:
And yes I know the Welsh are rebels too having spent a year working in Swansea in days gone by! :-D
I would fly into Birmingham to visit the motorcycle museum and then drive to Wales to work at Visteon! :cheers:
Thank you Woody we are hopeful we can return to the salt in a couple of years :cheers: