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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: Mark P. on September 23, 2015, 02:56:38 AM
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Mr. Bill Warner, attempting a world record that, not too many years ago, people KNEW was impossible-yet, through aerodynamics/electrical advances/horsepower and a never ending "go for it" attitude, Bill made it past 311 MPH.
To all riders, go fast and be safe.
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Cool collage picture. Bill was a great guy and there are many folks that miss his presents in the pits and on the track. RIP
Rouse
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Mark, how come SSS hasn't given you a location yet????.
He'll put you in some bad place. :-D
Thanks for the post though. Awesome achievement. :cheers:
Mike.
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Is that a dare, Mike?* Sometimes I do assign a location, sometimes I don't. I do my best to remain steadfastly cornfusing.
*I could move you instead of Mark -- where'd you like to go?
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Which organization sanctioned the "world" record?
DW
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DW, None as far as I know. ECTA I'd have to guess.
However, 311 is hauling the mail no matter how you judge it. Bill went 278+ with his "slower bike" in Texas before building this one.
Rouse
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The 311 record run took place at the LTA event at the Loring air base in Maine running the 1.5 mile coarse. Bill also set the mile record in Maine at 296 MPH. And if memory serves me correctly Bill's ECTA record at Maxton is 279 MPH. While these numbers may not be world records they certainly show he was the man. His legacy will live on forever.
I'm proud to say I witnessed all three of the above records. :cheers:
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While I respect Bill and his accomplishments we need to be careful when using the words World Record. There is ONE body that can certify a world motorcycle record and that is the FIM. I do not remember the LTA having FIM certification at their meets.
The above aside, I stand by the the fastest is the fastest no matter what theory.
DW
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Bill was sensitive to this issue, and referred to his 311 record as the "world's fastest sit-on" record, but not a "world record".
He went 272 at Maxton, 274 at Mojave, and 278 at Texas. All track records in the mile.
Dean
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Riders just have to hope that the FIM pick up on the standing mile (or standing 1.5 mile) top speed format.
Not all countries can run 1.5 miles, but the one mile has become an International speed trial format. Bill Warner (RIP) takes the top spots in any list for all of the US Mile Tracks.
If the event organisers have to pay for a steward to attend, the racers may just be content with their 'local' records.
As Bonneville records all seem to have the 'World' tag what is the fastest record in the sit-on class there? (Just a Brit using a spoon to stir!)
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I think Al Lamb has the fastest sit on record, around 263 or 264. Greg Watters is in that neighborhood also.
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As Bonneville records all seem to have the 'World' tag what is the fastest record in the sit-on class there? (Just a Brit using a spoon to stir!)
I think you are stirring an empty cup Malcolm, both the web site and the rule book refer to them as "Bonneville" records. The word "world" only comes in with PR hype.
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The word "world" only comes in with PR hype.
Thanks for confirming that.
Now, if 311 mph is faster than 264 mph, which my maths teacher taught me might be the case, ................. then Bill Warner could be rightly known as the "World Record Holder". Because there is no one overall governing body for pavement racing but all publish their results on the interweb.
So even if the man himself did not wish to claim such a title I think it fits (until someone goes faster still).
Does the pavement sport want the FIM involved? (or the AMA in the case of the USA??)
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He can't hold a record in a book that doesn't exist but he certainly is the "worlds fastest"
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All other things aside i am sorry we never saw Bill running on the salt FIM or SCTA with his realy fast bikes
Al would be fastest FIM with Richard Assen next then my 251
Also the list of guys that have run fast 1 way is not real long, most notable is Joe A's 273 ?? (please correct if not accurate)
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Richard Assen held the outright siton "World Record" at 260+ on his turbocharged 1350cc Hayabusa, that was before Al Lamb claimed it riding a Turbocharged 1000cc Honda. Gregs best to date has been 252+, :-),,
Bill's is certinaly "The Fastest" 8-)
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Close enough!! That makes Joe the second fastest on a sit on bike.
Bill's plan, after running 300 in the mile, was to build a Bonneville bike. The rolling chassis was in his shop.
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Don't forget Joe Amo's 272 mile on his "old" ZX10. As I remember - he said, as he came back through the pits quite shiny and dripping oil - that his data showed him running a 282 just before the motor let loose. Very unofficial, that 282, but I do think I remember a timing slip for 272 in the fourth mile - or something. Anybody else remember?
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Just for the heck of it I went diving through the race photos - and found this one, probably from only two or three years into his racing career, of Bill Warner and his Turbo 'Busa. I don't remember the date -- my display tells me 1940, but I think that's wrong. I'd guess, though, that it's from '08 or thereabouts. I'll dig -- have some more of Bill in here.
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6% slippage (wheelspin) on salt :?,, 311 - 6% = 292mph, 8-)
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In the words of that great poet, Hillary, "what difference does it make?" If he was oversized he would have set the record in a different class, wrong fuel - different class. Short of having a body that was illegal anywhere or no kill switch, this thing would have set a record. At some point people need to lay off of the certification exception and realize that 311 was a BFD.
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In the words of that great poet, Hillary, "what difference does it make?" If he was oversized he would have set the record in a different class, wrong fuel - different class. Short of having a body that was illegal anywhere or no kill switch, this thing would have set a record. At some point people need to lay off of the certification exception and realize that 311 was a BFD.
We need a like button, hell a love button. Well said
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there isn't a person alive, especially on this site in this fraternity that
does'nt "realize" and acknowledge that Bill Warner and the 311 is a "BFD"
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He went 311 mph. has there ever been anybody faster? No, well then that to me means he set the world record!!! Period, end of report.
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Rocky Robinson has the FIM World Motorcycle Record, set at Bonneville, in excess of 376 MPH. Makes him the 'BFD" to me. No other criteria other than fastest was put forward to distinguish between the two.
DW
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This is the problem with this forum lately. Everybody knows exactly what "record" we were talking about which had nothing to do with a streamliner and then you get folks like DW230 who has to make an assinine statement like he just made above to try to make himself look superior but instead just makes himself look like an arrogant jerk IMO. There are other organizations doing some really great things that have nothing to do with SCTA or your precious 200 "club".
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OK
DW
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Lets see
Asphalt 1 mile & 1 1/2 mile one way only class is a question
El Mirage dirt one way for records In a legal class Over 250 mph by Noonan several times
Bonneville 3 to five miles and record is a two way avg. or for SW a two run avg.
Three different venues.
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I am wondering why this thread was posted in the ECTA section seeing as how Bills record was done at LTA?
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OP was unaware of where the speed was accomplished?
DW
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Wait up fellas, outta respect for Bill, lets discuss this "Fastest", "World Record" thing on another thread,,
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Well said Sir!
This needs to go somewhere else!
Gregg
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Do not copy or download the photo in any capacity without the photographer's written permission.
I've printed it out and stuck it on my garage wall. Are you gonna sue me?
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Do not copy or download the photo in any capacity without the photographer's written permission.
I've printed it out and stuck it on my garage wall. Are you gonna sue me?
I'll bet comedians pay you for jokes?
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Do not copy or download the photo in any capacity without the photographer's written permission.
Yeah, I thought that statement was pretty weird too considering that the OP posted it in a message in order for it to be downloaded every time someone viewed this thread.
Don