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Attention all SpeedWeek Pre-Entrants, SCTA Members and BNI Members:
Dear SpeedWeek Competitor,
As the President of the Southern California Timing Association and this year’s Bonneville SpeedWeek Race Director it was very difficult having to admit, that there was just not enough good salt to run on. No matter how long we would've waited for Mother Nature to cure and dry the salt flats, SpeedWeek was just not going to happen this year.
We are very much aware of how much effort every one of you Competitors has invested in the building of your race vehicle. Many of you have spent years getting ready for an event like this one. Then finally comes the moment, where you get to ship and transport your race vehicle to the event you have planned for, just to find out it has been cancelled.
Having taken a closer look at our SpeedWeek Pre Entry list, it has made us realize how many overseas competitors have already shipped their vehicles and they are currently sitting here in Southern California with no where to race. Furthermore, looking at social media and some of the popular racing forums it has come to our attention that there are also many more landspeed racing vehicles that would like to have an event in August.
The board was considering having an event at El Mirage Dry Lake, but last Friday the BLM closed it due to rain and there is not enough time for it to dry. Our racing association has spent decades looking into other venues as an alternative to El Mirage without much success.
After days of consideration, we contacted the Event/Race Director of the Mojave Mile to see if there was a possibility to have a landspeed race at their facility. We are excited to report that there is an event date available the same weekend that SpeedWeek was scheduled to begin.
This letter is intended to notify you of a survey that we are conducting to find out if this is feasible. We would need a minimum of 130 confirmed pre-entries with a maximum of 160 total entries. All SCTA & BNI members that are interested in participating at this event are welcome to fill out a survey form. However, all of the SpeedWeek Pre-Entries will be considered first.
The survey link will be posted on the website’s Home Page under "News Flash". The survey will end on Sunday, July 26th at 5:00 pm PST. (USA) - (Please vote via the Survey Form)
Spectators are limited due to the venue.
Event Info:
1. Location would be Mojave Airport in Mojave, Ca.
2. Registration would be Thursday Afternoon, August 6th
3. Inspection would be held Friday, August 7th starting at 8:00 am
4. Driver's Meeting & Track Tour would be on Saturday, August 8th at 7:30 am
5. Racing would be Saturday, August 8th from 8:00 am to dusk and Sunday, August 9th from 8:00 am to 6:00 pm.
6. The Entry Fee is $425 due to the expense of renting this private track, especially on such short notice. You can apply your $425 SpeedWeek Pre-Entry refund check for your entry to Mojave Mile. We will not be charging an Additional Drivers Fee at this event. Each Competitor will receive (1) Timing Tag, (2) Event T-Shirts, (2) SpeedWeek 2015 Participant Hats and (5) Event Armbands.
7. All Drivers/Riders need an Event Armband to enter Airport Property.
8. All Competitors must be an SCTA or BNI Member.
Race Track Info:
1. The runway is 12,500' long x 200' wide.
2. The race track will be 1 mile with a 132' laser trap.
3. The run out/shut off is 1.3 miles.
4. All Race Vehicles must comply with all of the current SCTA Rulebook Rules. Including but not limited to Vehicle Classes & Safety Requirements. I.E. All cars are required to have a minimum of two rear brakes, etc.
5. All vehicles competing in car classes with an established El Mirage record of over 160 mph are required to have one parachute.
6. All confirmed pre-entries will be contacted by an SCTA Official due to the specific requirements for the brakes, parachute, tires, etc.
Looking forward to your responses,
Bill Lattin
SCTA President / Race Director
#scta #speedweek #saltflats #bonneville #landspeed
http://www.scta-bni.org/mojave-mile-survey.html
Mojave Mile Survey
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Here's to Bill and the SCTA-BNI organization.
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Fast foot work and creativity - lemons to lemonade!
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Not what any of us want but at least a chance for all to at least test and tune. If it in fact happen's I hope every entrant Hug's and Kisses every SCTA worker at the site.
Try not to kiss any that chew tobacco or appear to be drooling.
Keep in mind that it probably won't have close availability for part's, food, etc. and possibly Event Gas but I am sure that Rick Gold will do his best to have the ERC truck on site.
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As the President of the Southern California Timing Association and this year’s Bonneville SpeedWeek Race Director it was very difficult having to admit, that there was just not enough good salt to run on. No matter how long we would've waited for Mother Nature to cure and dry the salt flats, SpeedWeek was just not going to happen this year.
Can someone spell out what this means for the rest of the season for me?
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I am reading the same thing you are. What I see is that there will be no SpeedWeek. Nothing else. What I hear (rumors) is it's unlikely that other meets will run. But I also here things that are not true every day. So I guess it means you and I will wait and see.
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Not what any of us want but at least a chance for all to at least test and tune. If it in fact happen's I hope every entrant Hug's and Kisses every SCTA worker at the site.
Try not to kiss any that chew tobacco or appear to be drooling.
Keep in mind that it probably won't have close availability for part's, food, etc. and possibly Event Gas but I am sure that Rick Gold will do his best to have the ERC truck on site.
I can't speak for parts, but there will be a food caterer and a fuel provider (VP Racing Fuels) if the ERC guys can't make it. Our food caterer is Red House BBQ out of Tehachapi, and he serves breakfast burritos in the AM and other BBQ items for lunch. His food has been very well-received for the three years he has been serving us. You will be able to leave your cars and equipment overnight in your pit area as you do at the Salt, as there will be 24-hour security, and sanitation and trash facilities will be available.
We at MKM have been working closely with SCTA since the cancellation to try to put this together. We are disappointed in the Speed Week cancellation as well, as we were planning to run our "new" BFRMR. If this event happens, it will be a unique experience for many of you, but be assured we do have experience dealing with Land Speed and ElMo cars. Push starts are easily accommodated, and the surface is in excellent condition, with no salt to wash out of your chassis when it is over! Motorcycles can look forward to some exciting passes. Cars, switch to your shorter gears and chutes and come out for some fun!
Mike Borders
General Manager
MKM Racing Promotions
Home of the Mojave Mile/Magnum
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The SCTA notice did not mention that any speeds attained will not affect El Mirage records. In fact, as far as I know, no record database will be kept.
I suggested a few years ago when the mile events began to gorw that a National record database be initialized so that racers from all over the country could compare speeds. Didn't happen, maybe some interest now?
DW
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Personally I think this venue would be a great addition to this organization (SCTA) PLACES TO RACE! I think it would be great if they could do 3-4 races a year there. It could have it own record data base.
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Well done Mike and the MKM Organisation for offering racers a superb alternative.
I hope the British riders & drivers like what they see and do and then come back to these shores (Britain folks) and take part in UKTA Standing Mile events. For bragging rights we have the 'fastest lady rider' on the mile at 264.1 mph - Becci Ellis - and she and Jack Frost will be going head to head over the weekend of August 15/16. [There was no point in offering this event as a way of getting over Bonneville cancellations because bikes and cars are already in the USA].
I am probably biased as I have had working contact with MKM (open road and land speed) for ten years and I played a (very) small part in preparing that back motored roadster. You will find their standards of operation and safety are at the highest level to make racing fun, as well as safe.
I hope the racers support this event, just a shame I cannot get to the USA to see it happen.
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The SCTA notice did not mention that any speeds attained will not affect El Mirage records. In fact, as far as I know, no record database will be kept.
I suggested a few years ago when the mile events began to gorw that a National record database be initialized so that racers from all over the country could compare speeds. Didn't happen, maybe some interest now?
DW
I'm working on it Dan. Dean
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The venue and the event sounds like a great alternative.
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Are the pits in a place where shades can be tied down. It can be really hot and windy. Stakes in asphalt not cool.
222 signed up
JL222 :cheers:
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A couple of gallons of water bungee corded to each cover corner of an easy up.
Or maybe a concrete screw in each corner.
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I love the friendly folks from MKM and admire the excellent job they do in organizing the Mojave Mile/Magnum events.
We've run fast street cars there the last couple of years and enjoyed every minute of it.
However, we've found the runway surface to be less than ideal for typical, low-ground-clearance LSR vehicles, especially those with no or marginal suspension, (such as our roadster).
To all participants in the proposed Mojave SCTA event: Have fun - but be careful out there!
For us, it's hoping for a dry El Mirage and a salty Bonneville Salt Flats.
Willi
Kraut Bros.
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Willi,
Glad you had a great time at the Mojave Mile events.
Just to explain to the rest of the LSR community (who may not know your car) some of the stats of your Roadster.
Wheel base is about 200" ?, Suspension.... is not there-Fully Ridget front and back, with about 1 1/2" of ground clearance
and a really low hanging nose.
Awesome car, Love it !! But I have to agree, there are better suited cars to run at the Mojave Mile event then yours.
Mike
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... Push starts are easily accommodated...
Push to start engine (before start line) or push to get the race car moving from the start line?
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This is great, we will probably hotel it but were can you camp?
It's been many years but when I was desert racing [motor cycles] you could camp just about any where, but not sure about now.
BUT I remember some terrible winds going into Mojave at night.
We would leave Santa Barbara after work Friday night and usually go to Dove Springs or nearby.
Also it usually wasn't in August because of the heat.
JL222
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Best news I've had all week.
Big thanks to the organisers, signed up straight away.
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Short notice to get 130 entrants and only 5 arm bands per entrant means, only me...Troy and Linda and 2 crew members out of our usual 6 can get in.
JL222
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Short notice to get 130 entrants and only 5 arm bands per entrant means, only me...Troy and Linda and 2 crew members out of our usual 6 can get in.
JL222
There are more armbands, which would be available. The Airport facility is not very keen on many spectators.
If we have this event, you will be able to get extra armbands for your crew. Price would be probably $10.00 each.
We'll need to be able to pay for this event and break even. Thanks for your support.
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Short notice to get 130 entrants and only 5 arm bands per entrant means, only me...Troy and Linda and 2 crew members out of our usual 6 can get in.
JL222
There are more armbands, which would be available. The Airport facility is not very keen on many spectators.
If we have this event, you will be able to get extra armbands for your crew. Price would be probably $10.00 each.
We'll need to be able to pay for this event and break even. Thanks for your support.
That's good news, I glad you answered quickly as I was about to make some phone calls.
JL222
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Short notice to get 130 entrants and only 5 arm bands per entrant means, only me...Troy and Linda and 2 crew members out of our usual 6 can get in.
JL222
Everyone will get in that is part of a crew. The spectator issue is that there is only limited viewing area at the airport other than the pits, so the Airport cannot support large crowds of spectators. Unlike other standing mile racing venues, this is an ACTIVE airport and we have a very special relationship with Mojave forged over seven years that has earned their trust to run there.
... Push starts are easily accommodated...
Push to start engine (before start line) or push to get the race car moving from the start line?
I meant that push starts of a running vehicle are permitted, but we can also accommodate starts that fire the engine as well. In either case, the push vehicle at Mojave will have .33 miles to get its racer going before the turn-out. Then, they can proceed to the end of the runway to recover their racer at their convenience.
Mike B.
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This is great, we will probably hotel it but were can you camp?
It's been many years but when I was desert racing [motor cycles] you could camp just about any where, but not sure about now.
BUT I remember some terrible winds going into Mojave at night.
We would leave Santa Barbara after work Friday night and usually go to Dove Springs or nearby.
Also it usually wasn't in August because of the heat.
JL222
Please check our website, www.mojavemile.com (http://www.mojavemile.com) for a list of hotels in the area. The closest one to the airport and the one my staff uses is the Mariah Inn & Suites, and they have a large dirt lot in the back that is suitable for RV "dry" camping. The Mariah staff is well-used to racers and will treat you well. Room rates there are in the $80-90 range and they have a pool/sauna, a nice hot breakfast line, plus when we are there they set up the bar to serve evening meals that are <$10 and very good, mostly Mexican-themed, but some steaks, too (for a little more $$).
Mike B.
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Mike,
If we can get a confirmed entry we will book a room trying to run 250 unfaired.
John
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we will book a room
I booked a room at Motel 6 near the airport entrance for Pork Pie.
Still showed 5 remaining.
Ph # at the property: 661 824 2421
Good Luck.
Only needs 24 hrs cancellation; not much risk.
Regards,
Jim
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Is this event open to those who have run the MKM events in the past?
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Apologize to SSS and everybody else for double posting, but we have 2 threads going on the same issue and time is of the
essence. Thanks.
This event would be the Scta Mojave Mile.
Scta / Bill Lattin would be Race Director. With MKM doing the Timing, be much involved in Driver Safety- Driver Meetings-
Emergency Services and Procedures- helping us to run the event as much as we want him too.
MKM has been doing it for many Years and has all the Know How of this event.
But it would be a SCTA event and therefor all Scta rules, class specifications & regulations must be followed, as at any other
one of our events.
Many of our vehicles are not really street driven, I am sure all vehicles would need to be towed or pushed to the starting
line and back to the pits.
As many of these issues and questions arise, our Tech Committee and Board would make the decision, with guidence and
recomendations from MKM.
But at this point we are still in the Survey state and the way it looks, there are not enough people interested in such an event.
We are still in need of at least 25 to 35 more competitors to say " Yes we want to run at this event ". Survey closes Sun 5 pm PST.
If we can't find them, that means we can't break at least even and therefor it will not happen.
We realize some people had problems with filling out the survey and some are not sure if their info was completed.
Would suggest for everybody who is not sure and "Wants to Run" to send a confirmation e-mail to our office.
office@scta-bni.org .
You must put the following info:
Name
Vehicle # (Including "B" if you have a bike)
Email
Phone
Pre-Entrant for SpeedWeek - Yes or No
Do you want to participate at Mojave Mile - Yes or No
Further, there are many who have not even heard, that we are trying to have a "Scta Mojave Mile" event.
If you are interested in having it and realize the Fragile nature of our Bonneville and El Mirage Lakebed, I suggest to start making
some phone calls. When was the last time we had an opportunity like this ? We are only hours away from loosing it !
Thanks,
Mike
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I sent an email and as stated would run, when is the "final" cut off to determine if the event will happen?
John
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Why not run the mile and half
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Once again. Apologies for another double post. There are just at least 2 threads going with the same cause. Sorry
Ok LSR Family, here is what’s going on with the proposed SCTA Mojave Mile event.
The survey ended yesterday at 5pm and at that time we only had 84 total Participants, who said they
wanted to run at this event. We also heard from several racers, that they were not able to fill out the
survey and that there were glitches.
Furthermore we have found out, that many local Southern California SCTA members were not even aware
of the planned event. Somehow the e-mail, which we sent out through our office on Monday did not reach
all the members. On top of it we are getting bombarded with e-mails and phone calls from people, who have
already signed up for Mojave. Saying they want the event, even if the would have to pay a little more money.
Most of them mention, being willing to go to $525.00 from the proposed $425.00.
(BTW. I believe usually it costs $550.00 to run the Mojave Mile with MKM)
So, attached you can see the list of all the cars and bikes, which have signed up for the Mojave event.
Below that, it gives you all the SCTA Mojave Mile details one more time.
If you are not on this list, but you thought you’ve signed up, call or e-mail me.
If you are not on this list, but you would like to run at this event, call or e-mail me.
If you are on this list and willing to give a little more to make this event happen, call or e-mail me.
If you are willing to help out and support or sponsor this event, no matter how much, call or e-mail me.
We are going to give it until tomorrow morning, before the final decision will be made.
My cell number is (714) 287-3014 (24 Hours), e-mail address is VintageRaceCar@aol.com
and I am Mike Spacek, one of the whipping boys over at the SCTA. Thanks
List of Cars:
47, 60, 68, 181, 198, 214, 222, 326, 386, 402, 425, 515, 522, 624, 627, 671, 688, 729, 755, 917,
939, 958, 1166, 1250, 1360, 1660, 1930, 1952, 1968, 2704, 3800, 3934, 4010, 4021, 4483, 4555,
5300, 6407, 6706, 7550, 7552, 7720, 7800, 8282
List of Bikes:
113B, 1141B, 1180B, 1219B, 1356B, 1433B, 1671B, 1856B, 2107B, 2227B, 2230B, 2442B, 2718B,
345B, 35B, 361B, 372B, 424B, 48B, 536B, 613B, 654B, 68B, 938B, 940B, 941B, 945B, 947B, 949B,
956B, 957B, 964B, 978B, 982B, 991B, 995B, 9966B, 997B
Dear SpeedWeek Competitor,
As the President of the Southern California Timing Association and this year's Bonneville SpeedWeek Race Director
it was very difficult having to admit, that there was just not enough good salt to run on. No matter how long we
would've waited for Mother Nature to cure and dry the salt flats, SpeedWeek was just not going to happen this year.
We are very much aware of how much effort every one of you Competitors has invested in the building of your race
vehicle. Many of you have spent years getting ready for an event like this one. Then finally comes the moment, where
you get to ship and transport your race vehicle to the event you have planned for, just to find out it has been cancelled.
Having taken a closer look at our SpeedWeek Pre Entry list, it has made us realize how many overseas competitors have
already shipped their vehicles and they are currently sitting here in Southern California with no where to race.Furthermore,
looking at social media and some of the popular racing forums it has come to our attention that there are also many more
landspeed racing vehicles that would like to have an event in August.
The board was considering having an event at El Mirage Dry Lake, but last Friday the BLM closed it due to rain and there
is not enough time for it to dry. Our racing association has spent decades looking into other venues as an alternative to
El Mirage without much success.
After days of consideration, we contacted the Event/Race Director of the Mojave Mile to see if there was a possibility
to have a landspeed race at their facility. We are excited to report that there is an event date available the same
weekend that SpeedWeek was scheduled to begin.
This letter is intended to notify you of a survey that we are conducting to find out if this is feasible. We would need
a minimum of 130 confirmed pre-entries with a maximum of 160 total entries. All SCTA & BNI members that are interested
in participating at this event are welcome to fill out a survey form. However, all of the SpeedWeek Pre-Entries will be
considered first.
The survey link will be posted on the website's Home Page under "News Flash". The survey will end on Sunday,
July 26th at 5:00 pm PST. (USA) - Click Here to go directly to the form
Spectators are limited due to the venue.
Event Info:
1. Location would be Mojave Airport in Mojave, Ca.
2. Registration would be Thursday Afternoon, August 6th
3. Inspection would be held Friday, August 7th starting at 8:00 am
4. Driver's Meeting & Track Tour would be on Saturday, August 8th at 7:30 am
5. Racing would be Saturday, August 8th from 8:00 am to dusk and Sunday, August 9th from 8:00 am to 6:00 pm.
6. The Entry Fee is $425 due to the expense of renting this private track, especially on such short notice. You can
apply your $425 SpeedWeek Pre-Entry refund check for your entry to Mojave Mile. We will not be charging an Additional
Drivers Fee at this event. Each Competitor will receive (1) Timing Tag, (2) Event T-Shirts, (2) SpeedWeek 2015 Participant
Hats and (5) Event Armbands.
7. All Drivers/Riders need an Event Armband to enter Airport Property.
8. All Competitors must be an SCTA or BNI Member.
Race Track Info:
1. The runway is 12,500' long x 200' wide.
2. The race track will be 1 mile with a 132' laser trap.
3. The run out/shut off is 1.3 miles.
4. All Race Vehicles must comply with all of the current SCTA Rulebook Rules. Including but not limited to Vehicle
Classes & Safety Requirements. I.E. All cars are required to have a minimum of two rear brakes, etc.
5. All vehicles competing in car classes with an established El Mirage record of over 160 mph are required to have
one parachute.
6. All confirmed pre-entries will be contacted by an SCTA Official due to the specific requirements for the brakes,
parachute, tires, etc.
Looking forward to your responses,
Bill Lattin
SCTA President / Race Director