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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => World of Speed-specific stuff => Topic started by: USFRAMONTE on May 05, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
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It's time to start a thread for this years World of Speed. Last year we invited people to bring their belly tank cars as a historical highlight for WoS. This year we are
going to feature Harley Davidson motorcycles that have dry lakes racing history. We ask anyone that is interested, to bring a current or former Harley that has racing
pedigree on the dry lakes. We will provide pit passes and participation award to those that bring a bike for display. We are going to set aside a section of the pits to
display the bikes.
Please check our website for additional information.
June is the month that the course preparation starts, we will keep everyone up to date as work progresses. Stay tuned for more info.
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Monte - have you let the folks at the Harley Davidson Museum know about this?
Jim Fricke. He's a west coaster, moved to Beerhaven - I'll see if I can dig up his e-mail addy for you.
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Hey Monte... what about those folks still making dry lakes history with their HD :-D
Hey guys, I didn't use the pony :cheers:
Pre-Entry cut off Jul 1
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We had indeed been in contact with the people at Harley, and in fact they had agreed to bring their traveling museum/display. This was two years ago, due to a
change in their budgetary situation they contacted us to say they would no longer be able to participate.
Chris, if you can come up with any contact info we will be glad to pursue any leads you can provide.
Stainless, we are planning on including current bikes as well. The motorcycle people have been good to support us from the very beginning and we want to show
our thanks to them.
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Monte,
"Please check our website for additional information."
I've been looking and not finding; do you have a link?
Sam
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http://www.saltflats.com/
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OK, Monte, et al.:
With SCTA canceling Speedweek earlier today, many of us are now looking to USFRA and WoS for our annual salt fix.
Please do whatever you can to make a quick decision as to whether or not WoS will happen.
I'd rather come down there and work in Tech for USFRA, but if not, I'll go run (probably last!) in the SCCA National Championship autocross in Lincoln, NE.
So, keep us posted!!!
Thanks,
Jeff in Boise
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Monte, another question for you now that SW has been cancelled. What is your capacity for taking on us SCTA orphans? I'm not able to make the October WF, so my only hope for racing this season is your WOS event.
How many of us can you accommodate? Are we better off to register with you now (first come, first served), or "wait & see" about salt conditions and register upon arrival?
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.... Are we better off to register with you now (first come, first served), or "wait & see" about salt conditions and register upon arrival?
ditto................
Sumner
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We are very sorry to hear about the cancellation of Speedweek. We know first hand the frustration on behalf of the racers, officials and spectators.
At this point in time we are moving forward with plans to host World of Speed 2015. Obviously there will be regular inspections of the salt conditions and that will determine what the possible configurations could be. Larry Volk, Dennis Sullivan and Gary Wilkinson will be going out just prior to Labor Day and we hope to be able to make a final decision then.
We have our monthly club meeting scheduled for July 29th where more discussions will take place. Stay tuned for updates and information both on saltflats.com and here on landracing.
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A correction to the proceeding post. The monthly club meeting will be held Wednesday August 5th, not July 29th.
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Unless someone gives me a good reason otherwise, i'm gonna mitigate my Speed Week disappointment by sending off a World Of Speed entry application this morning.
Is there any reason to delay?
karl
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Monte, another question for you now that SW has been cancelled. What is your capacity for taking on us SCTA orphans? I'm not able to make the October WF, so my only hope for racing this season is your WOS event.
How many of us can you accommodate? Are we better off to register with you now (first come, first served), or "wait & see" about salt conditions and register upon arrival?
I have the same question?
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Is there any provision to roll over my Test and Tune entry to World of Speed?
Will Willis
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We are still weighing all the upcoming decisions that need to be made. We are having a club officers meeting tonight to discuss the more urgent matters. Anyone that signed up for the Test-N-Tune can roll over their entry for WOS. One of the main topics for tonights discussion will be the number of entries and how to handle them, meaning take them now or wait a bit longer before accepting additional entries. We are still monitoring the surface conditions and suitable locations for the tracks.
I will post more updates here tomorrow and they will also be posted on our web site.
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Thank you to all the USFRA for the work you put into these events.
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Monte, your earlier post indicated the USFRA meeting had been changed to the 5th of Aug. Did I miss something? Thinking I may drive up to attend if it is still the 5th. Thanks.
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Monte, your earlier post indicated the USFRA meeting had been changed to the 5th of Aug. Did I miss something? Thinking I may drive up to attend if it is still the 5th. Thanks.
Roger, our regular monthly club meeting will be held on August 5th. Tonights meeting is just club officers getting together for some decision making.
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10-4, Thanks Monte. May see you next week.
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I had entered for SW and now I have done a ton or two of work on the bike we were going to run. It would be nice if WOS goes as planned and there is enough room for one more entry.
Rouse
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Monte:
I just got word from Burly Burlyle (the VW guy) about the USFRA board talking last night about what's next in the decision process about this year's WoS. I'll let you tell us what was said at that meeting - so I don't go spreading information that didn't come straight from the horse's - - - unh, mmm, the horse's mouth.
Yeah, that's what I meant to say, right? The horse's mouth? :roll:
Please tell us, okay?
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There were several things discussed last night.
First: We are moving forward with plans to hold WOS.
Second: There a several contingency plans in place depending on what conditions and length of track(s) we can make.
Third: The "go" or "no go" decision will be announced just prior to September 1st.
Fourth: Unless otherwise notified, those who signed up for the Test-N-Tune will have their entries rolled over to WOS.
Fifth: We are currently accepting additional entries for WOS. Just be patient, Ellen is working as fast as possible to process the additional entries.
More information to come soon.
Monte.
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The other items discussed will need to be brought up at next weeks club meeting before being announced generally.
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Many thanks, Monte :cheers:
Ron
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Thanks for the heads up. Just emailed in my entry stuff. Fingers crossed! Do I need to mail a hard copy or is the email good enough?
Thanks Eddie
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Thanks for the heads up. Just emailed in my entry stuff. Fingers crossed! Do I need to mail a hard copy or is the email good enough?
Eddie, at this point in time the email is just fine.
Monte.
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Monte,Does the USFRA want me to announce at this years event,let me know. I would to do it again.
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Wow, maybe a chance to tell Dr. Freud to "take it to impound" :cheers:
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It's about time someone impounded the old fart.
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Glen, we would love to have you back as the announcer. Everyone enjoyed hearing your voice again. Please plan on it.
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Wow ... The voice of Bonneville doing WOS ... I would go just to hear "Take it to impound".
Joe
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It will be my pleasure to do it,thank you. :cheers:
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:cheers:
Very cool! The FlatCad will be there- no way I would pass up a chance to have you announce the car!
:cheers:
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Hmmm, OK, Let's see.....Glen's announcing (like last year) and Buddy will be there with the FlatCad.
Looks like I might be doing a trip out West after all.
I can help Jon with the audio stream and also take pictures.
Decisions, decisions!
Gregg
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As long as we're talking about WoS this year -- and that is the raison d'ete for this topic, right? - Nancy and I intend to be there to have the usual fun and games, and I will be streaming the audio. You'll all be able to hear Glen and the other announcing staff and maybe even me mumbling and cursing/cheering. No, we won't be doing video - too much hassle at this time.
But look forward to Glen telling Nancy on the radio -- "Nancy, it's 25mph past the pits". Yes, he's done that when she was on the way to fetch me after I had made a run.
No, I won't be running after all -- unless one or three of you feel sorry for me and offer me a ride on/in your vehicle be it car or bike. I will for sure take my leathers and stuff.
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Say Slim,
Could one assume Salt Talks at WoS?
Sam
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Monte, I know its a loaded question and time will tell.... Do you have a guess on course length? Is there flat out no way for a 5 mile? Maybe 4 at best? May make some decisions for people
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It's about time someone impounded the old fart.
I knew you'd come up with something like that!!!!!. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
You're a bad man. :wink:
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I'm rounding up the Sacramento crowd. Got a few more entries coming in
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Monte any updates after the meeting last night??
Thanks,
Sum
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Rick Vesco was present at the meeting last night and reported that he was able to drive 10 miles at 75 mph in his Suzuki Samuari. Obviously it is not a stock Samuari. He started down near the freeway and paralleled the international course, he said that his tire tracks did not fill with water. There have been others out there, and reports are anywhere from total doom and gloom to promising.
The big deciding factor will be to start pulling a drag and examine the results.
We are still planning on going out either the 27th or 28th to do some dragging and determine what kind of a track and event we can put together. Stay tuned.
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Thanks Monte, thats what I wanted to hear. I am really hoping we get to run WOS. If is not going to happen I/we need to know at the earliest possible time. I know that you guys are working hard to have a meet.
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One thing Monte didn't say about the discussion last night ... Dennis Sullivan, USFRA President, stated that a decision woud be made about WoS, a go-no go, and the word would go out on September first, that's 9/01/15. Those who are traveling from a distance would have a chance to make their decisions accordingly. Pit set up is tentative for the afternoon of 9/10 and 9/11 if a go decision is made. Racing would start on 9/12 and, if the timetable works out like last year, the driver's meeting would then be at 8:00 AM to get as much racing in as possible.
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Will there be a registration cut off, either number of entrants or cut off date? Just wondering if I should send in my entry now or just show up there and enter without worry of being turned away for some reason.
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We have discussed the number of entries that we can feasibly handle. Because we are a smaller organization than BNI, we have determined the maxium entry number to be 290. We have approximately 185 entries in the books at this time. We would encourage anyone that is planning on coming to enter now so that you do not loose out on a chance to run.
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Good to know. Thanks Monte.
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If the salt is there are you going to have two courses like last year?
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Fred, That is the plan. But you know the quote, "Man plans and Mother Nature laughs". We will do everything in our power to make it happen.
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I know you will. :cheers:
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I'm planning on running the 130 club. I called the number on the entry form, spoke to I'm guessing Ellen, and she told me then I didn't need to pre-register, just show up. Now, with a cap on entries, should I register for the 130 club now?
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I'm planning on running the 130 club. I called the number on the entry form, spoke to I'm guessing Ellen, and she told me then I didn't need to pre-register, just show up. Now, with a cap on entries, should I register for the 130 club now?
If Ellen told you to just show up, then do that. I did that last year and there was no problem at all. Tech first, then head over to the registration trailer. :cheers:
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I should clarify, I spoke to her in June, well before Speedweek was canceled. Things could be different now.
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Same story as last year. I showed up late Friday and tech'ed Saturday morning with no waiting in line at tech or registration. I spent more time in line for a burger, but it was worth it. Mmm...
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Same story as last year. I showed up late Friday and tech'ed Saturday morning with no waiting in line at tech or registration. I spent more time in line for a burger, but it was worth it. Mmm...
Did USFRA cap registration last year? Please don't think I'm discounting your advice, totally not the case. I didn't follow the aftermath of Speedweek's cancellation last year. I just want to be sure about what I need to do to run this year.
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Good point, I don't recall if they capped the class racers last year or not. I'd give Ellen a quick jingle on the phone to double check.
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SpeedWeek was cancelled last year also. So I would guess they had a fairly large turn out.
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ok, so I have never been to World of Speed. How many actual days of racing of the four? thanks
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Four!
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Good point, I don't recall if they capped the class racers last year or not. I'd give Ellen a quick jingle on the phone to double check.
Regarding the 130 club; I also decided to check with Ellen, if the situation had recently changed.
She said they were not too worried about those entries, as we will have a separate course.
The constraints might happen with long course entries.
Interested spectators may want to hang around for the Mike Cook WFO
event starting 2 days after WOS.
A good working CB is required.
Jim
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Jim, thanks for checking and posting. I'm still working on the car, so I'm hesitant to send in the entry fee in case I don't make it.
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Monte,
With much apprehension I have been watching the weather radar maps for the last several days and last week there appeared to be a pretty major storm that passed over the salt. Have you had anyone out there to see what the condition is in the last several days?
Rex
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Rex, there was a large storm front that came through the area late afternoon on Friday. It did rain on the salt and left standing water, mostly around the end of the access road. Hugh and Dennis are scheduled to be on the salt Tuesday and they will call to give an update on the conditions. We will continue to moniter conditions and let everyone know as soon as we can make a firm decision.
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One good sign is that last week before Friday's rain Cook's crew was able to drag a 10 mile course and don't feel that the water from the rain will have much effect on their course and will be back this week to re-prep the course...
https://www.facebook.com/CookLSS
... for a private meet on the 17 of this month weather permitting,
Sum
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Knowledgeable people I talked to on Saturday at the truck stop and the end of the access road had positive comments about the salt conditions if the course dries. Larry Volk, Jim Burkdoll, Tom Burkland, Russ Ayers, Mike Cook and others were being interviewed. There was more rain yesterday and likely to have more today in the area. World of Speed is a month away and the officials who make the decisions are watching the situation daily. The go-no go decision will be announced on September 1 by USFRA President Dennis Sullivan. That's three weeks from yesterday so think dry thoughts!
Great breakfast crowd, around 30 people, at the Salt Flats Cafe laughing at the headlines in the Wendover paper, "The Salt is Dry" and criticizing SCTA for cancelling SpeedWeek! We drove out and took pictures of folks wading in the shallow water. It was bare salt two days later.
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Knowledgeable people I talked to on Saturday at the truck stop and the end of the access road had positive comments about the salt conditions if the course dries. Larry Volk, Jim Burkdoll, Tom Burkland, Russ Ayers, Mike Cook and others were being interviewed. There was more rain yesterday and likely to have more today in the area. World of Speed is a month away and the officials who make the decisions are watching the situation daily. The go-no go decision will be announced on September 1 by USFRA President Dennis Sullivan. That's three weeks from yesterday so think dry thoughts!
Great breakfast crowd, around 30 people, at the Salt Flats Cafe laughing at the headlines in the Wendover paper, "The Salt is Dry" and criticizing SCTA for cancelling SpeedWeek! We drove out and took pictures of folks wading in the shallow water. It was bare salt two days later.
We have the Mickey Thompson 31/10.5 mudders mounted up to bead locks on the Monte, ready for the short course. Really though, any reliable update as of now or is this thing going to be a wash, would hate to see us have the event with dangerous conditions, what about the access road? Last year was pretty bad, even spotted the Wendover EMS ambulance stuck up to their bumper in mud, good thing there was not a critical case inside (i hope).
Lets all keep holding out hope but also not be afraid of the reality of the situation which is that we may not be running WOS this year, sooner the better.
Cheers!
Allan
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Also, any news on the Buckeye Bullet, did they end up running this week?
Cheers.
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https://www.facebook.com/CookLSS (https://www.facebook.com/CookLSS)
Mike
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Just to update all y'all. On Friday August 28th, Dennis Sullivan, Larry Volk, Hugh Coltharp and myself will be going out to the salt. We will be checking conditions and doing some test dragging to see what kind of track or tracks can be made. We will be prepared to make a go ahead or cancel decision later that same day. Once the decision has been made we will post here and on our website saltflats.com.
Regarding the current situation on Save the Salt. There are many many things going on right now but nothing has developed enough to make official statements about it all. I can confirm that there is a meeting being held that includes BLM, Intrepid and several people from Save the Salt. Both the BLM and Intrepid are well aware of the ground swell of concern and in some cases outrage at what is happening to the Bonneville Salt Flats. It will take the cooperation of all parties involved to make the moves necessary to restore the salt surface into a usable and sustainable landmark. Some of the topics of discussion will include the possible removal of the Salduro dike, relocating the access road to closely parallel I-80 along with many other proposals.
The statements made in relation to saving the salt are coming from me and do not reflect the official positions of Landracing, BNI, Save the Salt or USFRA et al.
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https://www.facebook.com/CookLSS (https://www.facebook.com/CookLSS)
Mike
Thanks Mike, good information and thank you Monte for the update. Hoping to see everyone on the salt in a few weeks.
Allan
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Monte,
Thank you for your efforts,
Godspeed.
Sam
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Saw the news regarding the World Finals this morning.....ouch!
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Looks like the flats might be getting a lot of rain in the next few days. Not looking good for WOS.
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It is in fact quite cloudy here in Ogden this morning. Has not started raining yet.
We are still set to go out to the salt on Friday. At that time we will make a decision about going ahead or not for World of Speed 2015.
Stay tuned....same bat time, same bat channel.
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Holy rain clouds Batman, I can't wait much longer for news.
Thanks Monte for all your hard work. Hopefully good news this Friday.
Rouse
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Looks good, especially for short course vehicles/bikes chasing SCTA records!
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/wendover-ut/84022/august-weather/341200?monyr=8/1/2015&view=table
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KENV/2015/8/21/MonthlyCalendar.html?req_city=Wendover&req_state=UT&reqdb.zip=84083&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999#calendar
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Any word as yet-- bikes are on dyno
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According to FB, they're likely to make the determination on Saturday.
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:fingerscrossed
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We spent the entire day on the flats yesterday searching for a suitable course. We even went around the salduro dike to the eastern most side of the salt and tried dragging toward the silver mountains in a northwesterly direction. Much to our dismay we just could not find salt that will support a race track. It is with combined heavy hearts that we have to announce that the 2015 World of Speed is officially canceled.
We appreciate everyones support and good thoughts on our behalf. We also know this is a big blow to all you competetors that have worked so hard to be ready to run.
We want all of you to know that we will be working hand in hand with Save the Salt, SCTA/BNI, BLM and others that support the cause of trying to preserve the Bonneville Salt Flats for current and future generations to enjoy.
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Monte and USFRA,
I am so sorry to hear of the cancellation of your event. I was looking forward to finally getting to the salt this year and seeing my friends.
Best of luck and know that I am available in the future to assist with impound and record certification.
DW
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Monte,
Please know that we ALL know you and your team did your best to make it happen!
We will see you in 2016!!!
karl
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... Much to our dismay we just could not find salt that will support a race track. ....
Thanks Monte and USFRA for making the effort for us.
Could you explain in more detail what you found? Not enough salt thickness? Mud on the salt? Mud between salt layers? At the present time is this still a result of conditions related to the mud deal or just plain not enough salt regardless of the mud?
Thanks,
Sumner
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I am at work this morning but I will be happy to post more info after I am done here.
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Monte,
Thank you and all the folks at USFRA for the hard work and dedication you have put in for this event. It is a sad day for all of us out here that have put in so much time and effort to get ready to participate in LRS racing events on the salt.
It's always disappointing but understandable if Mother Nature has her way and causes events to be canceled, I can handle that, it happens.
However, it is quiet a different matter altogether to see a natural wonder systematical destroyed by neglect and mismanaged by the very folks that are charged with protecting it.
Rouse
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Well Crappydoodle.... :-(
Thanks Monte and the USFRA for trying and letting us know as soon as possible. I guess I don't have to thrash as hard as I was...
As always with LSR.... there is always next year :|
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drats thanks USFRA
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Thanks for the updates Monte, :-(
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Thanks to all for the efforts!
Very much appreciate the updates and further condition info when you get the time.
Big let down to a lot of folks but I have come to think that last year and this year's cancellations may in the long term be good things.
I think they have finally given a wake up call to all those who have been dismissing the racers concerns about salt conditions and finally created conditions for some traction in the general public media.
I think in the long term this will be good for us and the salt.
Thanks also to all the racers and interested observers who continue to blow the warning trumpets and sound the alarm --- keep it up!
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Hey DW,
We were ready to get our A license and give a shot at the G/GS streamliner record......Oh well maybe you can post a picture of a record certificate just so we don't forget what they look like :cheers:
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Here's a certificate you can use. Run up in class. Don't measure. You're on your own.
Just don't date it 2015 -- we all know that won't work.
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Burt, since we're an engraving company -- I can make you a fine record cert with whatever speed and other information you wish. I can't have Dan or anyone sign it, but you could probably get one of the neighborhood grandchildren to do that.
I guess I'd maybe put something across the cert saying "copy" or draft proposal or something, but still -- you can hang it on the wall and tell folks that the "real" one is in the mail. Sound like an idea?
I dunno what I'd charge, though -- maybe $6k-10k depending on what size document you want it to look like, and also dependent on how much over the existing record you want to be (i.e. .001MPH over will be no additional charge, +.002 - 5.99 mph = $250/mile or fraction thereof, and 6 - 100 will be unh, mmm, ahh, how 'bout $900/mile over the existing.
Sound fair? All you'll need to do is get me all of the required information to go on it and maybe a real certificate. That'd help a lot. If you don't have one I'll get one of the kids in my neighborhood to draw one up with his sidewalk chalk sticks.
Let me know.
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Careful SSS, at those prices you may end up with folks trying to cut into the business. :-D
Wouldn't take long to pay for a laser if you had a couple orders like that per week, you know. :cheers:
Rouse
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Johnnie, I figure that if I'm going to take the chance that the "real" certificate-granting folks get cranky with me for offering to subvert their territory -- I might as well ask for BIG BUCKS that'd compensate me for the punishment I'd get. Unnerstand?
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I mentioned a couple of days ago that I would post some more information regarding what we did when on the flats last Saturday and how we came to the conclusion to cancel WOS.
On a personal note, I have a good excuse why I have not put up the additional information. I had outpatient surgery yesterday to remove some melanoma on my right forearm. I was referred to the Huntsman Cancer Hospital by my dermatologist when she found a spot that looked suspicious. They removed a sample of skin just larger in area than a silver dollar. Thankfully the lab results showed that they were able to remove all of the cancer cells and I now have a clean bill of health.
I mention this episode not to ask for anything, but to encourage all of you that spend time on the salt to go see a dermatologist and get your annual skin cancer screening. Dark spots that don't look like anything to be concerned about, can be just the opposite. Please go get checked, catching it early makes all the difference.
I will put up the additional info tonight.
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Glad you are okay Monte!
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I mention this episode not to ask for anything, but to encourage all of you that spend time on the salt to go see a dermatologist and get your annual skin cancer screening....
I just had a dime size spot removed from just inside the ear last week also, so I second "see a dermatologist and get your annual skin cancer screening" and I'll now be wearing a hat that covers my ears on the salt along with on the boat :-),
Sum
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I go twice a year and have had several surgeries to remove tumors.
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Monte'
It's always scary to hear the "C" word, especially when it's you the Dr. is talking to. Glad to hear you got all of it this time around.
I go to the dermatologist once a year myself, and for the past couple there was a clean bill of heath. One thing I learned early on thou, was not to go to the dermatologist just before a trade show, they don't care what you look like leaving their office. So, if it's time for a visit I set appointments up for the week after a trade show, if you know what I mean.
Rouse
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Monte' glad to hear the surgery worked well, Since you are once again able bodied, please go harass :-D your cousin Dale for me!!
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So Gentlemen and Ladies,
Monte glad to hear you have a clean bill of health. Yeah I turn red like a lobster in the sun so I have to be careful too. Thanks for the warning as well. SPF 50 and a hat and arms covered....
There are a couple events coming soon about the Salt. Sept. 9 and 14. I will personally be out on the 14th as I would like to hear in person what the BLM and others have to say about any efforts to restore some area. I would encourage any racer that can attend either event to do so to do what we can to try and save something that is quite important to all of us.
Is there another thread here that has updates about these meetings?
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Burton, I am thinking about going to the one on the 9th but haven't heard anything about the 14th (maybe I just missed it) do you have any more info?
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As of the USFRA meeting last Wednesday, 9/2/15, Dennis asked for all Salt Flats race cars and bikes to be at Totems by 2:00 on the 9th to set up examples of salt flats racing vehicles to show all attendees what runs out there. The official start time of the meeting is 4:00. Make every effort to come to the meeting, bring friends, family, we want the greatest outpouring of support that we can show. The presentation is about an hour.