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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => 2017 and before: SW & WF => SpeedWeek 2015 => Topic started by: FADED on December 30, 2014, 01:46:35 PM

Title: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: FADED on December 30, 2014, 01:46:35 PM
We've been running El Mirage for a few years, now we're ready to go play with the big boys. We plan on going in August, it will be our first time and I have a couple questions.
A. is my SCTA membership good or is there a BNI membership needed?
B. when and where do I pre register for the event?
C. we will be living out of a trailer, do we need to reserve camping space? And where is the best place?
Thanks for your input, I'm sure I'll have more "dumb" questions so please be nice!
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 30, 2014, 01:52:28 PM
First things first.  The "dumb" questions are the ones you don't ask.  None of us knew the answers when we started, either.

Second of all - there are a couple of campgrounds in the Wendover megalopolis - a KoA and one right behind/next to the Stateline I mean Nugget casino.  But there is free camping that's absolutely unlimited and very "primitive" - no utilities - and free and no reservations needed.  There's no camping on the salt per se, but at the Bend in the Road is where there's no limit, no charge.  More data if and when you ask for it.

Pre-registration is simple enough -- find the SCTA website and click around to the Bonneville section and find the entry forms.  Print, fill, and mail.  Or use the one where you can fill it in and submit online.  No paper and Stan Back is happy with you.

That's enough for a while.  See you on the salt.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stainless1 on December 30, 2014, 08:01:08 PM
I think for the last 8-10 years your SCTA membership allows you to run at Bonneville, BNI is for those of us fortunate enough to live a long way from CA...  :roll:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Glen on December 30, 2014, 08:37:56 PM
BNI membership is required to run Bonneville.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 31, 2014, 09:15:52 AM
BNI membership is required to run Bonneville.

Not if you're an SCTA member.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on December 31, 2014, 11:48:30 AM
I believe that the 2015 SpeedWeek Entry Form has not been finalized.  There may be a couple changes pending.  Don't worry -- It just has to be received by May 15.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: johnneilson on January 02, 2015, 08:05:10 AM
If you want the full Speedweek experience, sign up for BNI.
You will get all the propaganda and posters etc.

No camping on the Salt, the trailer can go in different places like Bend in the road or the Speedway Museum site.

You are local in LA, keep an eye out for the inspectors clinic. It is a 1/2 day, lunch is served and you can network with many in the know.

Also, your club should have folks who can help guide you.

John
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Nortonist 592 on January 02, 2015, 03:56:59 PM

Good to hear you are making the jump.  You won't regret it.  A.  SCTA membership is good for the salt.  But you don't get "the tube" that BNI membership gets you.  B.  The pre-reg forms will be posted on the SCTA site when they get them ready.  Print out and send in by May 15.  C.  The KOA tends to book up quickly.  Never stayed there so I can't comment.  You can camp at the Bend or at the future site of the museum.  Both are fairy self explanatory once you get there.  And both are "primitive" in the fact there is nothing in the line of water, electricity etc.  But there are showers at the café and the truck stop in Wendover. 

If you are towing a trailer and want to split the drive into two days Ash Springs has an RV park behind the gas station/store.  Or if you want to haul to Ely there is an RV park there too.  Don't overthink this.  Its just a bigger version of El Mirage.  No need to haul all your food.  There's a supermarket in Wendover.  Cafes too.  Just make sure you bring all the parts you think you will break.  Any help you might need will be gladly offered on the salt.  That's why racers are the salt of the earth.  (rim shot.  I'm here 'til Sat. folks)
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on January 02, 2015, 05:55:25 PM
. . . and in Ely you can stay for about $40 at the historic Hotel Nevada at about the price of a campsite and shower.  Great food at reasonable prices and lots of fun in town before you get raped in Wendover.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: FADED on January 02, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Thanks for all the help guys, what about rookie orientation?? do they have one daily or do I need to get there on Saturday prior?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Ron Gibson on January 02, 2015, 06:19:15 PM
Main one on Saturday, but smaller one daily for those that couldn't be there. Saturday only get to drive the course to see what it's like.

Ron
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Calkins on January 20, 2015, 12:50:54 PM
Is it August yet?????   :dhorse:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Finallygotit on January 20, 2015, 02:14:39 PM
199 days as of this writing.   :-(
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: tauruck on January 20, 2015, 03:12:11 PM
What about someone like myself joining, getting a license etc being based offshore?.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: RichFox on January 20, 2015, 03:28:16 PM
You can join BNI and they will be glad to have you. If you can get to Bonneville and have a ride, you can get a license
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Clay Pitkin on January 24, 2015, 09:09:42 PM
I have read that BNI is 75.00 to join for this year.

Does anyone know the entry fee for speed week this year 2015 ?

I looked on SCTA-BNI.ORG and here and I cannot find it (Maybe I need new glasses) grin

TIA
Clay
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Nortonist 592 on January 25, 2015, 12:32:20 AM
The entry fee will probably be the same as last year $525.  But there is no official news on the entry fee as yet.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on January 25, 2015, 12:16:24 PM
After a disastrous 2014, methinks the fees may be rethought.  I'll post here when the Entry Blank is finalized.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on January 25, 2015, 12:25:57 PM
Here, hopefully, is the 2015 BNI form -- also available on the SCTA website.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Nortonist 592 on January 25, 2015, 01:13:01 PM
After a disastrous 2014, methinks the fees may be rethought. 


We may not have to go to Wendover to bend over?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: dw230 on January 25, 2015, 01:22:41 PM
Really? Why don't come up with a plan to cut down on overhead for the event.

DW
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: jl222 on January 26, 2015, 01:58:11 PM
Really? Why don't come up with a plan to cut down on overhead for the event.

DW

  Not saying no meal tickets for workers, but what is the cost?

            JL222
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Nortonist 592 on January 26, 2015, 04:54:52 PM
As I have no idea of the costs coming up with a plan to reduce cost is a bit difficult.  The only thought I've had so far is if you went from overhead to flathead you'd save.  Flatheads get a 33% discount.  : - )
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on January 26, 2015, 05:13:44 PM
. . . yabut -- that's only for motorcycle displacement.  Does that mean you'd rather be 30 miles closer to Salt Lake City?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Nortonist 592 on January 26, 2015, 05:26:24 PM
30 miles closer is about a gallon and a half.  At today's gas prices its hardly worth the effort to move.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 26, 2015, 06:25:01 PM
At today's prices -- or yesterday's?  Regular nolead went up a dime today here -- from $1.899 to $1.999/gallon.  I guess the low price thing is finite after all.

At least diesel hasn't gone back up.  A month ago I was paying about three and a half bucks/gallon.  I filled last Friday at $2.159 per gallon.  How welcome. . . :-D
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: RichFox on January 27, 2015, 09:12:32 AM
Raise the spectator cost to more like what NHRA gets at a national event.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 27, 2015, 10:24:36 AM
Raise the spectator cost to more like what NHRA gets at a national event.

Raise it high enough, the hotels won't sell out and the room prices drop.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: jl222 on January 27, 2015, 11:07:19 AM
Raise the spectator cost to more like what NHRA gets at a national event.

  Maybe not that much, but great idea :cheers:

  Anyone know how many spectator passes have been sold in a year?

              JL222
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: jdincau on January 27, 2015, 11:26:33 AM
Raise the spectator cost to more like what NHRA gets at a national event.
Sound good to me
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: bubruins on January 27, 2015, 02:52:59 PM
I'm OK with increases in spectator rates as well. It's a destination attraction after all. Disneyland sure does not forget to charge. Another interesting way would be to increase the charge for additional crew passes.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: fredvance on January 27, 2015, 03:51:02 PM
Anybody know when the big three are going to open reservations for Speedweek?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 27, 2015, 04:16:23 PM
Realistically, it's one of the greatest shows on earth.  Why should the hotels be the only ones making money?

5 days of amateur racing at Road America for the June Sprints sets you back $70.00, with advance tickets discounted to $55.00, which is about the price of a movie per day.

If you keep it too cheap, you might not be able to keep it.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: BobDcuda on January 27, 2015, 10:14:21 PM
Fred, the Montego/Peppermill/Rainbow web site says they'll take reservations beginning 10 a.m. MT on Febryary 10.  Don't be late....
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: fredvance on January 28, 2015, 12:12:32 PM
Thanks Bob.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 09, 2015, 04:07:37 PM
Mike Spacek sent this along and asked that I post it - to remind you that the date for the fun(?) to start -- is tomorrow:


The Peppermill & Rainbow & Montego Bay Casinos will be taking Speed Week reservations on Feb 10th at 8:00 AM PST. To reserve rooms contact  wendoverfun.com  and go to room reservations.
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Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: entropy on February 10, 2015, 06:04:14 AM
hmmmm
wendoverfun says 10am MT
..............sss says 8am PST
so, is it 11am or 10am in houston?

bahahahahahahaha

karl :-D
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stainless1 on February 10, 2015, 09:24:13 AM
Start early, avoid the rush... our reservations were confirmed a couple of months ago... not in the big 3, we are in the little 6... for the last 15 years or so  :-D
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: entropy on February 10, 2015, 09:58:34 AM
Start early, avoid the rush... our reservations were confirmed a couple of months ago... not in the big 3, we are in the little 6... for the last 15 years or so  :-D

stainless, M-6 is a great place but too far from the casino. 
I am always so busy during SW, i only have a little spare time to hit the casino.  This is critical because i like to win back TFA's expenses. It always takes me at least an hour to clear $8-9,000.
karl
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 10, 2015, 11:04:06 AM
I'll give you a ride for a modest fee. Say 12% :-D Wayno
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: edinlr on February 10, 2015, 11:23:48 AM
Got my luxury room at the Montego Bay.  Five nights for a total of $1212.20.  As gracious as they were about a quick refund last year, it takes a lot of the sting out of the price.  The nightly rates were $259 for Friday - Sunday and dropped to $129 on Monday and $109 on Tuesday.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: entropy on February 10, 2015, 12:16:50 PM
Got my luxury room at the Montego Bay.  Five nights for a total of $1212.20.  As gracious as they were about a quick refund last year, it takes a lot of the sting out of the price.  The nightly rates were $259 for Friday - Sunday and dropped to $129 on Monday and $109 on Tuesday.

good going, Ed!
TFA just did almost the same x 3; see you there.
karl
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: fredvance on February 10, 2015, 01:42:28 PM
Got my res at MB. Sunday through Friday, 750 or so.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: entropy on February 10, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
Got my res at MB. Sunday through Friday, 750 or so.
YAY Fred!!!
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: bigtim44 on February 10, 2015, 02:04:54 PM
Room reserved at the Montego Bay of cheesy décor!.......teeves I tell yer!
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on February 10, 2015, 04:00:10 PM
"Got my luxury room at the Montego Bay.  Five nights for a total of $1212.20.  As gracious as they were about a quick refund last year, it takes a lot of the sting out of the price.  The nightly rates were $259 for Friday - Sunday and dropped to $129 on Monday and $109 on Tuesday."

Check what they are for, say February 20 - 24.  (Or maybe don't -- it's liable to pisss you off.)
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: edinlr on February 10, 2015, 04:36:59 PM
Room reserved at the Montego Bay of cheesy décor!.......teeves I tell yer!

Montego Bay is pure Ritz compared to the black velour, mirrored, early 60's, whore house look, down the street - don't ask me how I know about 60's looking whore houses.... :cheers:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: edinlr on February 10, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
"Got my luxury room at the Montego Bay.  Five nights for a total of $1212.20.  As gracious as they were about a quick refund last year, it takes a lot of the sting out of the price.  The nightly rates were $259 for Friday - Sunday and dropped to $129 on Monday and $109 on Tuesday."

Check what they are for, say February 20 - 24.  (Or maybe don't -- it's liable to pisss you off.)

Stan, yes it is insulting to pay that much for a $49 room, but I was really insulted to pay that much for a 60's looking, Subaru box place in 2013, so Montego is only just sorta bad.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: ronnieroadster on February 10, 2015, 04:57:50 PM
If we could subtract the Resort Fee the  Resort Fee Tax and the the Reservation Fee the cost would be close to reasonable. Oh well the price of racing.  :-o
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: paso54 on February 11, 2015, 10:00:47 AM
we are in the Quality Inn same as last year Pity I forgot about the non stirling transaction fee on the credit card  :|     :-D :-D
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: TugBoat123 on March 03, 2015, 02:41:26 AM
Yeah. We left our car in "the pits" a couple years ago and tried sleeping inside the race car trailer at some gravel parking lot. I think it might have been the future site of the speed museum. It was pretty miserable trying to sleep in a race car trailer after a long day of working on the car in the hot desert. We eventually ended up renting rooms at the Pepper Mill Casino. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything though. We drove out there from Michigan with our car. We'd been to the Flats to observe and also to lend a hand to another team in previous years. The last time we went was our first time with a car. Our first car didnt work out for us. I hope to have our new car ready for 2015. My dad deserves it. We will be running a new chassis/body, but we will be running the same small block Chevy in our D gas lakester. Even though I've attended speedweek multiple times, I'm still pretty new to the sport. I'm definitely excited to get more and more involved.

Is anybody excited as I am for the new Poteet/Main Speed Demon car? I can't wait to see them run.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Phil Bennett on March 06, 2015, 07:08:25 AM
Is anybody excited as I am for the new Poteet/Main Speed Demon car? I can't wait to see them run.
Is there a build/rebuild diary on this, I've looked but not found anything.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Calkins on March 06, 2015, 07:16:37 AM
Is anybody excited as I am for the new Poteet/Main Speed Demon car? I can't wait to see them run.
Is there a build/rebuild diary on this, I've looked but not found anything.

The Mike Cook Shootout Facebook page has updates.  Other than that, I am unsure.

https://www.facebook.com/CookLSS (https://www.facebook.com/CookLSS)
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: dw230 on March 06, 2015, 11:15:44 AM
Do a search for a Face Book page.

DW
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Phil Bennett on March 07, 2015, 12:07:36 PM
Now why didn't I think of that? Cheers! Amazing seeing the work already done, will be great to follow the build and even better if I get to see it run at Speedweek.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: TugBoat123 on March 14, 2015, 06:49:51 AM
The Bonneville newspaper (just a newspaper with news regarding land speed racing) that I receive just recently had a good article regarding the new Speed Demon body and chassis and a few other exciting details. Very cool stuff. Just unbelievable. The old chassis was damaged in their 370 MPH crash at Mike Cook's Shootout last year. The speed demon website is speeddemon.us
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: mergatroyd on March 19, 2015, 07:02:33 PM
New for this year: Entry names must be registered members...
http://nebula.wsimg.com/e5541ce6ac53c45eed3001714ebf8e71?AccessKeyId=1B489604A3781742F233&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

 :?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on March 19, 2015, 08:00:09 PM
That's been that way since I can remember -- Entry Names (if a person's name is used as the Entry Name) must be BNI or SCTA member.  

If you want to call it the "Piece of Sh*t Special", you don't have to register that.

What lead you to believe there had been a change?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stainless1 on March 19, 2015, 09:02:56 PM
Yep, owners, drivers have to be BNI or SCTA members.  Always have... what you call it is up to you.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: mergatroyd on March 19, 2015, 10:30:55 PM
Maybe it was the fact that it was listed in red...

I am apparently developing early-onset CRS syndrome. I just don't remember it from last year... but I see in 2003 the entry form read the same way.

Carry on  :dhorse:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stainless1 on March 20, 2015, 10:18:14 AM
Yep, if you name your entry the Amo Steele Streamliner, Amo and Steele have to be members.  Even has to be the right Amo. 
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on March 20, 2015, 11:10:50 AM
The bigger problem with that entry might be passing tech.

(Unless you've been real busy . . .)
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: TugBoat123 on March 22, 2015, 03:15:27 PM
Well, the AmazinglySlowSturley lakester might struggle with tech also... Seeing as how it is almost April, and we are getting closer and closer to August 8th, and we still haven't even gotten our chassis back from the company building it in Ohio. The name I just made up will be the least of our problems. Does anybody here think that I can squeak by tech inspection with a car only half finished? :-D.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on March 22, 2015, 04:17:47 PM
You'll pass right thru tech -- you just won't get to go to the track.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Nortonist 592 on March 22, 2015, 07:28:19 PM
A half built racer will go through tech as Stan said.  It will be, though, a half passed race car.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: SPARKY on March 22, 2015, 07:57:15 PM
depends what you haven't finished yet!!!!!!!!  body is optional on a lakester  and liners  :-D
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: entropy on March 23, 2015, 04:33:43 AM
tugboat123,

YOU CAN DO IT!
feb16, 2014 - TFA lakester status:
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb194/guntekd/IMG_1597_zps7a877534.jpg)

Aug 8, 2014:  Thanks to Don's untiring efforts TFA passed tech in the Rainbow parking lot
karl
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stainless1 on March 23, 2015, 09:11:50 AM
The bigger problem with that entry might be passing tech.

(Unless you've been real busy . . .)

No, we have not been that busy Stan.... that one is officially done... not going to :dhorse:
I think we are putting Jon back on a bike.  :cheers:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: TugBoat123 on March 23, 2015, 10:10:19 AM
Thanks for the encouragement Entropy. I appreciate it. I just started going thru the trailer yesterday, and it needs some work. Hopefully I'll have it up to shape in a few days. I am heading to Ohio in about a week to see how the chassis is coming. I think I'll start a build diary to post pictures and info. 137 days, 12 hours, 49 minutes until August 8th!
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Cajun Kid on April 14, 2015, 07:28:44 PM
At last I have joined the SCTA and have sent in and paid my Speed Week 2012 Entry fee and have rooms reserved ... See you all there.

Charles Venable
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: ronnieroadster on April 14, 2015, 07:36:51 PM
Charles I think if you sent in your 2012 entry your a little late. Plus you should join BNI for speed week entry.  :?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 14, 2015, 07:37:13 PM
At last I have joined the SCTA and have sent in and paid my Speed Week 2012 Entry fee and have rooms reserved ... See you all there.

Charles Venable

I know Stude drivers tend to live in the past, but I'm sure Stan Back can get you a copy of the 2012 program . . .  :wink:

See you in August, Charles.  That car has needed to hit the salt from the first day you took a wrench to it!
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Cajun Kid on April 14, 2015, 08:14:03 PM
2015   2015   2015    LOL
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: ATS, Inc on April 14, 2015, 08:25:10 PM
I am trying to have Ed Farrell's Firebird ready for Speedweek this year, and out of respect to him and his family was going to name the entry "Farrell Anderson Special". I mean, it's really still his car, I'm just the one trying to go as fast as it can go! Would the name rule apply, I think Ed was a member for many years, if not decades.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Glen on April 14, 2015, 08:55:40 PM
Should not be a problem. :cheers:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: FADED on April 24, 2015, 10:45:07 AM
Getting back on track here, I'm not sure what class (engine) I will run at B'ville? when filling out my registration can it change at the event or will I have to run the class I sign up as??
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on April 24, 2015, 10:49:57 AM
You can easily change at the event -- prior to inspection.  Go ahead and pick the most likely for your entry.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: FADED on April 24, 2015, 10:51:13 AM
THANKS STAN! I'M REGISTERED :cheers:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: paso54 on April 25, 2015, 12:52:09 PM
Well my good friend John Young and I have now entered  :mrgreen: Look out the Brits are coming back not just us but Loads from last year we cant wait  8-)
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on April 29, 2015, 02:29:07 PM
REMINDER --

You 2015 SpeedWeek Entry MUST be postmarked by May 1 (Friday) in order to take advantage of the Pre-Entry Discount.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: thundersalt on April 29, 2015, 04:07:59 PM
Take advantage of the pay pal option on SCTA web site. Fast and easy :cheers:
https://www.emailmeform.com/builder/form/35dbIiajxz5
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: TugBoat123 on April 30, 2015, 03:01:01 AM
REMINDER --

You 2015 SpeedWeek Entry MUST be postmarked by May 1 (Friday) in order to take advantage of the Pre-Entry Discount.

Thanks for the info Stan. We have been working on our trailer and a few other small details while waiting for the chassis to return from Ohio. Hopefully I will be updating my "build diary" soon. I guess we better make sure we get our registration in the mail.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: DSR88 on April 30, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
The Speedweek Pre entry form says you have to be a current SCTA( or ) BNI member so if you are current SCTA member does that mean you don't need to join BNI ? I'M a current member of both but I always thought you had to be a BNI member to run Speedweek or World Finals ?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 30, 2015, 02:38:12 PM
Donnie, just like it says. SCTA OR BNI.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: DSR88 on April 30, 2015, 02:45:37 PM
So I could have saved $75.00  :dhorse:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on April 30, 2015, 02:46:35 PM
Some SCTA clubs have Associate Members -- they don't qualify.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on April 30, 2015, 02:47:43 PM
"So I could have saved $75.00"

Not really -- All the stuff you get with the BNI membership adds up.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: DSR88 on April 30, 2015, 02:57:11 PM
I know, We have to have a place to race so I will always be a member of BNI to support the cause. I just never knew the either or. Not sure it has always been that way.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Sporty Dan on April 30, 2015, 05:14:30 PM
Registration is off and away!  8-) Can't wait for August to get here! Now I just need to finish up the work on the bike!
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Tman on May 03, 2015, 12:54:40 PM
We should be there with the #416 pickup. It will be the last hurrah for this ride.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: lsrjunkie on May 07, 2015, 10:46:32 AM
Well, Hank is close and my registration got sent off last week. See you all there!
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Freud on May 28, 2015, 12:53:16 PM
This picture was done Thursday morning by Bil Reilly as he was headed to Florida.

Have a great trip Bill.

FREUD
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: **RP** on May 29, 2015, 07:54:14 AM
This picture was done Thursday morning by Bil Reilly as he was headed to Florida.

Have a great trip Bill.

FREUD

How deep is that water?  Is that typical for this time of the year?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Texican on May 29, 2015, 07:59:17 PM
  Hi, folks:
I'm involved in a road trip to visit family in Indiana.
I-80 in Western Nebraska is undergoing a major rebuild.
All overburden down to the bare dirt is being removed; so you have 20 to 25 mile
stretches of one way, 2 lane traffic.
Sometimes separated by a New Jersey barricade; others, just a row of candles and a bright tape.
  Speed limits can vary; 65 most common, sometimes 55.
Typically, there is a citizen who is  extra cautious, and runs at 10 under.
The point of these is to tell those coming from the East, to check the website, and leave
early enough to deal with the mess.
There are also a few problem areas in Wyoming.
Good Luck!
transportation.nebraska.gov/511/detours/construction-detours-info.pdf

Jim





Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: DSR88 on June 01, 2015, 10:39:44 AM
Well has anyone heard how many PRE-ENTRY made it in ?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stan Back on June 01, 2015, 10:41:46 AM
About 545 -- still sorting, translating, processing.

Should have the pre-entry list in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: DSR88 on June 01, 2015, 10:43:52 AM
It's gona be a good week !!!!!!!! I'm ready to go.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: lsrjunkie on June 01, 2015, 11:26:51 AM
Awesome! Thanks for all you do Stan.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: 7800ebs on June 06, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
    June 5 2015  End of the Road.: http://youtu.be/Ox1KKJSlGhY

      June 4, 2015 I-80 Rest Stop: http://youtu.be/Q6MIyQPcivw
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 29, 2015, 09:49:39 AM
Over the past couple of years there have been a few attempts to change the radio announcing at SpeedWeek and WF.  There's a change again for 2015 -- and I like to think that it'll be for the better - nah, for the best.  the following comments are for the FM radio broadcast only - they DO NOT address what's happening on the CB.

First of all - there'll be two announcers working at any time, and there are going to be two pairs of announcers.  One team is the Gillette Bros (I think they're bros, aren't they) that you're probably familiar with from EM.  And the other team is -- ready for this - the other team will be "chaired" by long-time veteran been-there-forever announcer and announcer-in-chief for 2015, Ron Christensen.  You ALL know his voice.  His compatriot/puppet/helper will be - will be - - me.  Yup - I've been given the opportunity to be an official announcer.  I've sat in for Ron a bunch of times, I've been the only announcer some times, I've often wandered into the radio trailer to chat and shoot the sh*t with Ron (on the air) -- and now it's official -- I'll be paired with him.

The result should be great -- in that at least those three will give good information.  Then there'll be my contribution. :?

In other SpeedWeek news -- I'm still hoping that landracing.com will be able to stream the audio from the event.  SCTA will for sure be doing it -- but I'm hoping that I'll be offered the opportunity to bring the sounds to even more folks around the world.  It'll be the same audio as SCTA will be streaming, but I figure with two sources we'll have more listeners.  some folks will know that SCTA is streaming, some will know lr.com, and the aggregate audience should be bigger than either one, alone, could supply.  Good for everyone.  If, that is, the SCTA approves my request.  Don't pester them with pleading, please -- let them do their work.  At this stage - a little more than amonth before SW -- they've got lotsa stuff to do. :cheers:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: manta22 on June 29, 2015, 10:03:26 AM
This sounds like a great plan, Jon. BTW, was Ron Christiansen ever on AFN years ago? His name is familiar.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 29, 2015, 10:25:47 AM
AFN  -- ?    Sorry that I don't know what that acronym means, Neil.  Probably something to do with chocolate milkshakes, right?  Or perhaps it's a breed of Scandinavian hummingbirds?  Once I figure it out I'll ask Ron.  Or maybe I'll know anyway.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: tauruck on June 29, 2015, 10:40:00 AM
Awesome stuff Jon. Have a blast boss!!! :cheers:

If there is audio streaming on the forum that would
great for us that can't be there.

I'm subscribed. :wink:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: manta22 on June 29, 2015, 10:44:42 AM
AFN  -- ?    Sorry that I don't know what that acronym means, Neil.  Probably something to do with chocolate milkshakes, right?  Or perhaps it's a breed of Scandinavian hummingbirds?  Once I figure it out I'll ask Ron.  Or maybe I'll know anyway.

AFN= "American Forces Network" i.e, "AFN Frankfurt", "AFN Saigon", etc.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 29, 2015, 10:51:35 AM
Goooooooooooood morning VietNam :-D
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Flipper_1938 on June 29, 2015, 11:25:50 PM
I'm taking my daughter to SpeedWeek this year.  I sure hope the weather cooperates.  I took my son out in 2010.

I sure hope mother nature cooperates and gives us good salt.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: manta22 on June 30, 2015, 12:55:01 AM
Goooooooooooood morning VietNam :-D

Adrian Kronauer!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: F104A on June 30, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
Anyone out there have a spare motel room available?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: desperate on June 30, 2015, 10:41:54 AM
The Brits are on their way. At the beginning of June we met up at our shipping company & 10 bikes were loaded into a 40ft container bound for LA. There are at least 5 more teams making their own way to the SALT. We fly out on assorted flights, to arrive in LA on August 3rd to collect our hire-vans & collect our bikes from Long Beach (LA). Can't wait, especially after making the same trip in 2014.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: FADED on June 30, 2015, 12:39:15 PM
Our bike we had planned on running is not coming together as planned. If we need to cancell can I get a refund for my pre entry or can I sell it??
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: FoundSoul on June 30, 2015, 01:11:17 PM
Our bike we had planned on running is not coming together as planned. If we need to cancell can I get a refund for my pre entry or can I sell it??

Yes-- here is JoAnn's response when someone just inquired of her on this (I'm buying their pre-entry).



Annie - very simple. He pays you. Then, you write a small note to
Registration explaining that you have sold your pre entry. He takes the note
with him to SpeedWeek and picks up your packet. Easy.

JoAnn Carlson
SCTA/BNI Office

(559) 528-6279
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: JoeRider677 on June 30, 2015, 01:22:31 PM
Is there a need for a new thread? I'm looking to buy a pre-entry.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: FADED on June 30, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
We'll know if we're gonna make it by the end of the week, I'll keep you posted :-(
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: JoeRider677 on June 30, 2015, 02:08:43 PM
Thanks Faded
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Eddieschopshop on June 30, 2015, 02:45:41 PM
My friend has a  pre entry for sale,  for anyone looking 916-203-2210 give me a call (I don't want to give out his info without permission)
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Frankie7799 on June 30, 2015, 06:07:33 PM
 My plans to go to Speedweek took a serious blow. Originally had planned on being there Friday through at least Tuesday. Now I cant head up there until at least mid day Sunday. My question is, is it even worth it to head up and watch Monday-Wednesday? I know the competitots start thinning out as the week goes on. Decisions, decisions
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 30, 2015, 06:17:53 PM
Oh no!  :-o You'll miss the rat rods.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: RichFox on June 30, 2015, 06:50:11 PM
There will be plenty of good entrys when you are there. Maybe by Wednesday it will be getting thin. But still better than you will find anywhere else.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 30, 2015, 06:51:18 PM
Frankie, it sounds like you'll miss about a day and a half of running. I'd do it but, i'm funny like that.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: FoundSoul on June 30, 2015, 06:52:16 PM
My plans to go to Speedweek took a serious blow. Originally had planned on being there Friday through at least Tuesday. Now I cant head up there until at least mid day Sunday. My question is, is it even worth it to head up and watch Monday-Wednesday? I know the competitots start thinning out as the week goes on. Decisions, decisions

It will thin out a little, but Monday thru Wednesday is usually still good racing for sure.  That's only 2 days late to a 7 day event.  That time of week, in my experience, the lines shorten up a little bit but there are still lines, and still cars running pretty much constantly (barring weather issues or an incident on course).  In some cases I've seen racers get there and wait a couple days before even getting in line for the shorter lines and/or to get a few reports from others on the course conditions.  
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Frankie7799 on June 30, 2015, 06:57:13 PM
Ill probably wind up going. Its not like I had hotel reservations, was just going to camp. Thanks for helping with my decision  :-D
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 01, 2015, 09:01:52 AM
I'll put this notice here -- and maybe start a topic all by itself, too.

If you're planning on/thinking of getting your own porta-potty for SpeedWeek -- I'm your first contact with Honey Buckets and Trevor Inman, HB's guy that works with us.  If you've already been in touch with him - whether this year or in the past -- of course -- go right to him.  If you're new to the concept of renting your own -- I'll help you get going so you can pee in your own unit instead of walking and waiting.  Last year about 90 (ninety!) portable toilets were rented/reserved -- along with the 80 or so that SCTA/BNI provides.  There'll be plenty of opportunities for you to void on the salt this year.

If you want one (or more) let me know.  Ditto handwashing sinks or ADA/handicapper toilet units.  Honey Buckets provides and services them -- I'll just help you get hooked up with Trevor.

See you on the salt.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: SteveM on July 01, 2015, 09:49:08 AM
There's nothing like the luxury of having your very own Honey Bucket in your pit area!

It's well worth the minimal cost.

Steve.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Calkins on July 01, 2015, 09:55:13 AM
Jon,

Are you doing Salt Talks shirts this year?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: fredvance on July 01, 2015, 10:24:38 AM
Im not Jon but I can answer that. YES!!
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 02, 2015, 08:28:16 AM
First -- yes, Fred's correct -- there'll be a 2015 Salt Talks shirt.  The art has arrived and Terri, our artist, is working on photoshopping the butt cracks out of the pictures as we speak.

Second:  Ron Main sent these photos of the salt yesterday.  They were taken I think, on 1 July - day before yesterday, that is.  There's no commentary with them to tell us specifically where they were snapped.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Stainless1 on July 02, 2015, 08:40:29 AM
First -- yes, Fred's correct -- there'll be a 2015 Salt Talks shirt.  The art has arrived and Terri, our artist, is working on photoshopping the butt cracks out of the pictures as we speak.


Subbing in smiley faces for the 7 moons?  :-)  :cheers:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: fordboy628 on July 02, 2015, 08:54:07 AM
First -- yes, Fred's correct -- there'll be a 2015 Salt Talks shirt.  The art has arrived and Terri, our artist, is working on photoshopping the butt cracks out of the pictures as we speak.


Subbing in smiley faces for the 7 moons?  :-)  :cheers:

Doesn't Uranus have only 2 moons?
 :evil:
Fordboy
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 02, 2015, 09:09:15 AM
We'll let Fred wonder about the photo that Stainless sent, and Stainless wonder about the photo that Fred sent, and Terri and Nancy and I will know and youse guys won't 'til I show off the finished shirt.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Calkins on July 02, 2015, 09:30:10 AM
Jon,

Are you taking shirt orders, or are you just making a bunch?  I need a medium or large, please.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: SPARKY on July 02, 2015, 09:58:45 AM
Terri, our artist, is working on photoshopping the butt cracks out of the pictures as we speak.


What and risk the unending ire of:

 The International Association of Cleavage Brothers

--Slim please rethink this, are you bent on cultural warfare? --robbing these poor guys them of their identifying trade marks with photoshop !!  :cry:
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 02, 2015, 11:58:10 AM
We can take "special" orders -- but usually make enough of the popular sizes that we don't have to take orders.  We make the most (quantity) of X-L and next is L, with a bunch of 2XL, some 3XL, and relatively small batch of M.  We don't make bigger or smaller than those sizes unless someone requests 'em -- they almost never sell.  If you want kid sizes or ladies styles or really big ones -- let me know.  It's not much of a hassle to make other sizes -- but we don't do it unless we know we'll sell them.  Okay?

As for you, Sparky -- when I first saw your note I thought you were voting for a better look at Nancy's cleavage.  I assure you that I would MUCH rather see hers than the chasms between the cheeks of Stainless and his crew.  :roll: :roll: And I bet you would prefer hers, too.  Right?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: PorkPie on July 02, 2015, 01:10:07 PM
We'll let Fred wonder about the photo that Stainless sent, and Stainless wonder about the photo that Fred sent, and Terri and Nancy and I will know and youse guys won't 'til I show off the finished shirt.

 :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: jl222 on July 12, 2015, 08:28:21 PM
 

  I read it someplace, but can't find it.

  How much to change class after setting a record or running in one class. I know driver change is $150

  We would like to change from A/ BGALT TO A/BFALT if we set a record. Well we always do but Subaru happens :-P

         JL222
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Calkins on July 13, 2015, 07:37:35 AM
So, will we be racing in three weeks???   :cry:


http://www.sltrib.com/home/2709833-155/speed-week-is-in-danger-again (http://www.sltrib.com/home/2709833-155/speed-week-is-in-danger-again)


(http://www.sltrib.com/csp/mediapool/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=7C8VePbi8_4VUKPHRRYznc$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYuO3MzCSdazYva9m8qpKXIjWCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg)
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: dw230 on July 13, 2015, 11:29:39 AM
Stand by for a statement from the SCTA-BNI shortly. Another trip to the salt is planned for, this will take plance in 9 days.

DW
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Dynoroom on July 13, 2015, 01:20:06 PM
This was just posted on the SCTA Facebook page....


Speed Week 2015
Not cancelled yet, but? Seems like Mother Nature is still not cooperating with us.
The SCTA/BNI met yesterday, July 12, to discuss contingency plans. We will make a final decision on Speed Week no later than July 22nd. We can tell you how it is now, but not how it will be in 10 days.
Our advance team spent the July 4th weekend on the Bonneville Salt Flats trying to find adequate salt to conduct the 2015 Speed Week event; unfortunately without much success. A portion of the courses were still underwater and other areas were suffering from rough and /or muddy salt. A pretty good analysis appeared recently in the Salt Lake City newspaper (see link below) You can see the "Mudflow" on Google Satellite Maps.
While staying optimistic, when and if the entire area dries, we are hoping to find the 7 Miles of dry/smooth salt necessary for the event. The plan is to visit the Salt again on July 20th to assess the situation. It will likely involve attempting to drag/prep some courses.
We are also considering the feasibility of having a "Short course only" event if we are able to find 4 miles of good course. We would like to know how many folks might come for such an event. I will post a survey shortly.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Dynoroom on July 13, 2015, 01:22:00 PM
They also posted this survey.....

2015 Speed Week Survey – Please Let Us Know ASAP
Please answer our survey by commenting below:
If you are a Spectator put: “Spectator” before your answer.
If you are a Entrant put “Entrant” before your answer.
If the SCTA can conduct an event with only one short course, that is 2 miles run up to a 3rd timed mile, (same entry fee) would you come? Yes / No
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Richard 2 on July 13, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
https://www.facebook.com/SCTASouthernCaliforniaTimingAssociation/posts/493766924120428?notif_t=notify_me_page
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Dynoroom on July 13, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
Richard is correct. You must "vote" on the SCTA Facebook page. So follow his link.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: jh333 on July 13, 2015, 03:28:52 PM
Am not in the 21st century yet so no Facebook but count me as a NO vote on the short course only


J. Holland
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: vette#128 on July 13, 2015, 04:09:57 PM
This was just posted on the SCTA Facebook page....


Speed Week 2015
Not cancelled yet, but? Seems like Mother Nature is still not cooperating with us.
The SCTA/BNI met yesterday, July 12, to discuss contingency plans. We will make a final decision on Speed Week no later than July 22nd. We can tell you how it is now, but not how it will be in 10 days.
Our advance team spent the July 4th weekend on the Bonneville Salt Flats trying to find adequate salt to conduct the 2015 Speed Week event; unfortunately without much success. A portion of the courses were still underwater and other areas were suffering from rough and /or muddy salt. A pretty good analysis appeared recently in the Salt Lake City newspaper (see link below) You can see the "Mudflow" on Google Satellite Maps.
While staying optimistic, when and if the entire area dries, we are hoping to find the 7 Miles of dry/smooth salt necessary for the event. The plan is to visit the Salt again on July 20th to assess the situation. It will likely involve attempting to drag/prep some courses.
We are also considering the feasibility of having a "Short course only" event if we are able to find 4 miles of good course. We would like to know how many folks might come for such an event. I will post a survey shortly.

Slim, how 'bout making this it's own topic??
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 13, 2015, 04:28:47 PM
I know a lot of folks want to see the really fast cars, but there's a whole lot of really cool action occurring on the short courses that often gets overshadowed by the big dogs.  I'd gladly attend a short-course only event, and voted so.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 13, 2015, 08:13:34 PM
Ed, we sort of already do have a topic for the salt condition -- see http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,15107.msg277740/topicseen.html#new

Or do you mean that I should make a separate topic for the SCTA Facebook page stuff -- or what?  Sorry to be dense -- maybe it's the humidity.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: vintageracecar on July 13, 2015, 10:21:44 PM
Sorry in advance to SSS and everybody else for Double Posting this.
But, there are 2 areas where people are posting regarding the current SW info.

ALL !!!!!
Stainless, Jim, everybody who has not voted on the Official Scta FB site.
Please go to the Official Scta WEBSITE, yes Website and vote.
Must be a Pre Entry. Real easy to fill in and click the button. I am not going to include a link.
Just go on the Home Page and vote.
Further more, you all will notice, there will be more than "One" course, if we have the event.
Even if you are not sure if you've voted or not, just go and vote on the Website.
JoAnn and Heather will pick the info apart.

NOW, who wants to go still racing ??

Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 13, 2015, 10:27:09 PM
It was simple, It looked simple and it still told me I screwed up.  Somebody tell them yes for me. I quit. I tried the stoopid faceplant site, too. Wayno
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: mtkawboy on July 14, 2015, 10:57:10 AM
Wayno, are you a Facebook member ? Im not sure but maybe you have to be to vote. I am so I cant tell but I have friends who cant see mine because they aren't members.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 14, 2015, 11:04:56 AM
Yep I am. Wayno
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: SPARKY on July 14, 2015, 11:34:25 AM
I went to the SCTA website and fill out their survey!!  :cry: 
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: bbarn on July 14, 2015, 01:30:03 PM
For what it is worth....

If they have three miles of salt and they are running, we are planning on being there. We really need the chance to run the car before we change our minds about the hobby and just give up!

We drove 1/4 of the way to B'ville for the T&T before turning back, why wouldn't we drive the whole way for a T&T we could get records at? We already have rooms booked, the car is loaded, the trailer is packed, the tools are packed, the spares are packed, the chutes are pack (probably going to bring a big one if we only have three miles)...

If nothing else, we can make sure the car is sorted and ready for next year. We can also get some license passes made and who knows, maybe set a record in the 3rd mile...

Maybe the lines won't be long because people are afraid the lines are going to be long. Maybe by Tuesday the remaining people are hot-lapping, anything is possible.

As I posted to the crew this morning when we were all talking about the good things that could happen by a short track/limited season, there is this reality...

The salt is fragile this year, a passing shower could scrub the whole season completely. Not one thing any of us can do to prevent it so just be prepared to look for other opportunities to get your speed fix this year.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 14, 2015, 02:51:17 PM
One part of the salt that I haven't seen any comments about in this recent frenzy - is the salt from Land's End to the (any) racing course.  That stretch was one of the worst parts of last year's problems - but nobody has remembered to comment or ask about it.

The salt for that first mile or so was submerged - so the traffic really tore it up.  Yes, a few truckloads of salt were placed right at the end of the pavement, but that helped just the first hundred or two feet.  from there on out it was rough and potholed and bad - no other way to describe it.  If that part of the surface hasn't come back to being stable and drivable - the condition of the courses per se is kind of a moot point.  that is -- if we can't get out there without damaging the salt and our vehicles, without getting stuck, without having such a bad surface that the emergency rigs cannot safely travel - then what do we do?  What about really heavy vehicles -- like especially Rick Gold's fuel tanker.  I'd expect the rig GVW is close to the 80,000# limit - so what'll that do to a fragile course access road?

In summary -- has anyone got information on the condition of the access road?
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Leadfoot on July 14, 2015, 08:21:02 PM
Hello I was out to the end of the road on saturday the 11th and where you come off the pavement on either sides were steep drop offs of a foot or two, further out there was standing water I couldn't really see any pot holes , from that point. Traffic would have to be very careful and come straight off the road on to the salt either way a little and there is a drop off. Didn't look good to me.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: vintageracecar on July 14, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
Yes, the "Beginning of the Salt" or "Lands End" as we call it is not looking pretty at this point.
But considering what that area has gone through over the past 11 month, we should not really complain.
Most of you guys did not get a chance to see what it looked like, just a few days before the big rain storms came in last year.
The Save the Salt team and Ron Main provided us with an Unbelievable entry ramp to our SpeedWeek event.
It would have held up beautiful and everything would have been great, if it was not for the big storms.
Attached here are a couple of pics what the STS team created and how well it still held up. These pics were taken after
the SCTA/BNI finished to evacuate the flooded Salt Flats. Still was in great shape, considering.
But like I mentioned earlier, over the past 11 month several Hundreds of vehicles have gone across the remnants of last years ramp.
All the traffic during the BMST, USFRA, several other small events and many more storms have taken a toll on it.

BUT, the STS team, Ron Main and the SCTA are working on providing an even better ramp for this year.
That's why it is SOOOO Important for you guys to support the Save the Salt efforts.

Lets pray for some hot days and please give the SCTA/BNI a chance to come up with some good and save courses to run on.
The entry road will get taken care off, as soon as we know, where we need it to go to.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 14, 2015, 10:10:02 PM
I can attest to the condition at Land's End at WOS - MISERABLE.  There was no easy path, the water was deep enough in places that one wrong turn could have buried the Magnum and my trailer.  Enough saline got splashed up under the Dodge that on more than one occasion on the way home, the starter wouldn't engage, and the front end hasn't been the same since.

I ran water under it for two days upon my arrival home, but realistically, given its age and mileage, the car is totaled.  I intend to continue driving it until the wheels fall off, pull the Hemi for a future project, and then junk it.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: desperate on July 15, 2015, 11:36:10 AM
We're coming from the UK, it's not cheap, the container was $15000 & we have 10 bikes. We were here last year & only found out about the cancellation after we arrived. Work out our expenses, we're just ordinary blokes.
This year all the bikes are sitting in a warehouse in LA. All our flights are paid. We just want to run on the SALT. A short course would be better than nothing.
Chris Ireland.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 15, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
I'll add a little bit that'll mean very little, I'm afraid, but maybe - just maybe -- it'll be news you like.

That is -- I've heard about at least one of the folks that's near the top of the SCTA/BNI pyramid that a major concern he/she/they has right now -- is doing everything possible to have a good event for the sake of the international racers that have already expended large bunches of money to get the race vehicles and other equipment here and get themselves to USA, too.

Not that anyone can change the course conditions and the weather, but rather -- the sanctioning organisation knows the dilemma you're facing and is doing what can be done to make your time, efforts, and expenditures of some real value - so you can race down the salt.

For Nancy and me it's "only" a 3,800 mile round trip - but it's a trip we won't make if there's no SpeedWeek or maybe any of the other events.  For you in foreign countries -- you've already made (part of) the trip.  I sure hope you get to race.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: SteveM on July 15, 2015, 01:50:58 PM
I'm just thinking out loud here, trying to learn a bit more.  I'm trying

"IF" the Salt Flats were intentionally left "wet" for a year or more, would the silt and salt separate over time?

That is - I'm just thinking out loud, not making any suggestions - If water was to stay on the flats for an entire season, would the holes fill in, and everything more or less "level out"?

I am 100% sure that it's not even practical for mankind to do so, but how much time would Mother Nature require to allow the existing surface to even itself out?

Steve.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: Calkins on July 15, 2015, 02:38:19 PM
I think for the flats to stay wet over the summer months, the miners would have to pump brine year round.  That will most likely never happen.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: hotrod on July 15, 2015, 03:31:35 PM
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"IF" the Salt Flats were intentionally left "wet" for a year or more, would the silt and salt separate over time?

That is - I'm just thinking out loud, not making any suggestions - If water was to stay on the flats for an entire season, would the holes fill in, and everything more or less "level out"?

Yes no and maybe -- it is complex, the silt appears to slowly migrate to the bottom of the salt crust. A couple years ago I chopped out a biscuit of salt to look at it, and you could clearly see a thin mud line in the salt from the previous year which had very dirty salt on the south end during the shoot out.

Extensive flooding on the short term might actually be counter productive. One of the bonneville studies I found today shows that between 1992 and 1993 there was a significant change in salt coverage due to the extensive flooding in 1992. That resulted in the salt spreading out (ie thinner but greater surface area).

Based on chemistry principles we may be doing the pumping at the wrong time of the year for salt laydown. Salt solubility is temperature dependent (ie cold water will hold less dissolved salt than warm water). They pump the brine over as a maximum content brine as I understand it. But it is at a time of year when the brine layer would be warming up, not cooling down, so the only mechanism to force the salt out of solution would be evaporation. We might get better salt lay down if the brine was pumped at the very end of the summer season ( ie right after World Finals) and then when the cold weather sets in the brine layer would precipitate out salt due to the temperature drop, plus you would have a longer time period for evaporation. Whether that is physically or economically possible is a different nut to crack, as there might be other constraints on when they can do the pumping.

As far as the holes, physically filling them with trucked in salt (yes I know this is an expense) but probably would fix them faster than waiting for natural filling.
It is always that first hundred yards or so that takes the worst beating. Short of a temporary plank road to ease the flushing action of tires splashing brine in the holes, I don't know what you can do.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: SteveM on July 15, 2015, 04:33:20 PM
Thank you, HotRod.  That is the kind of information that I'm hoping to learn more about.

Steve.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: vwpsycho on July 15, 2015, 08:57:24 PM
I grew up in rural Nevada. Roughly four hours drive south from Wendover in a tiny busted mining town called Pioche.
I've lived in Salt Lake City most of my adult life. A few times a year I drive out to Bonneville to take a look.  What strikes me the most is that "Lands End" is in an arbitrary location with no discernible reason for why the pavement ends "there". (Disclaimer: I was born in 1970, and participated at a Bonneville competition event for the first time in 2011)

Considering the gigantic collective value the Bonneville Salt Flats represents to the entire world, Why In the Hell (?!?!?!) does Bonneville have less apparent infrastructure and maintenance than most municipal golf courses or ski resorts in the United States? I suggest its a matter of 'ownership'.

There are Country Clubs, Yacht Clubs, Golf Courses, or Municipal Airports all over the U.S. that get, frankly, an assload of federal and state dollars to maintain their (obviously!) limited "public interest".

One Question (that I would ask to all the "Stewards" of Bonneville Salt Flats, including but not limited to; The State of Utah, the BLM, Tooele County, all the sanctioning bodies before -and including the SCTA-BNI, the un-policed (wink-wink) mining companies, and pretty much every entity that has made a dime off the Salt Flats:
Why the Hell isn't there a properly surveyed-and-engineered, gated (and controlled by the BLM) CONCRETE road from 'lands end' to the actual area where the "Bonneville Speedway" is actually located?

There have been signs right on I-80 for decades, that declare this "Speedway" thing to oblivious highway travelers. It's really a letdown that something so important is just 'out there' with an utterly random, ad-hoc entrance that provides a literal vehicle for hundreds of tons of salt to stowaway and leave on vehicles every year.

Until someone with some political juice takes ownership of Bonneville and sees to it that the largest money machine the world has ever known (Hint: The US Government) finances deliberate, engineered improvements to the place that is laughably designated a "Park", the same rogue's gallery of people (private or public, innocent or corrupt) will continue to rape Bonneville to oblivion.

Abe Potter

P.S.
Hell, every silly, contrived lake and reservoir in Utah has a pretty Dodge nice, engineered boat launching ramp. Some even have dams that cost exponentially more than the paltry, pitiful maintenance Bonneville has received over the last 100 years.

Makes me sick...

Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 15, 2015, 10:50:44 PM
Abe, the entry road to what we know as lands end was in fact well out into the salt racing area at one time & the start line used to be closer to the bend but the receding salt has now left it well short. Back in the 90's we actually started the liners right down by I-80.
  Sid.
Title: Re: BONNEVILLE 2015
Post by: vwpsycho on July 15, 2015, 11:32:38 PM
I expected that at one time Lands End was in a relevant location. Thank you Sid. I can only imagine the collective sadness of so many folks like yourself who have witnessed the slow decay of Bonneville.  :x