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Thrust-powered Land Speed information => Discussions on absolute land speed records => Topic started by: F104A on November 26, 2014, 10:34:35 PM
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A little video done recently by Interstate Batteries.
http://youtu.be/kSIRlR7jgOk
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That's a good promotion Ed. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Pete
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I agree with PJ, Ed. Good work. Now go out there and go fast -- go fast, first, on getting a few more firms to step up to offer held and promotion videos. Best wishes for Thanksgiving -- and the whole dang holiday season. :-D :-D
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A pretty good interview with Jessi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh2VTv1E43o&feature=youtu.be&a=&app=desktop
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Those are two great videos Ed. thanks for sharing. But in the YouTube video you refer to the NAE as an "aircraft." Whaaaa? It is supposed to be a LAND speed vehicle.
Don
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Yeah, I keep getting the two confused. It's an aircraft without wings. Some days I call it a car, some days it's a aircraft, other days it's a vehicle.
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from team NAE.
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And the same to you, Ed (and everyone on the team). Nice artwork, too. Pen on paper, ink on metal, laser on some substrate? It looks fine.
Merry Christmas, indeed.
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Ed, If I hit the PowerBall lotto, I intend to spend it on my Race Car, Your Race Car and pay off my VISA bill (maybe).
Have a Merry Christmas and hope to see you pulling Cabbage Hill in August with neither one of us broke down!
"ONE Run" Bob Drury :cheers: :cheers: :roll:
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And the same to you, Ed (and everyone on the team). Nice artwork, too. Pen on paper, ink on metal, laser on some substrate? It looks fine.
Merry Christmas, indeed.
That would make someone a really nice tattoo! :evil:
Merry Christmas to all.
Mike
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Hey Bob, just fired up the roadster a few minutes ago. Just making sure it hasn't frozen up from sitting since August. I suppose you heard that Glen Freudenberger has cancelled the NW Bonneville reunion. Bummer! Guess I'll see most of you at Speedweek.
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Well it looks like Ed's secret marketing machine is at it again. Moving the car for (not test runs) some reason. Jessi in for yet more photo shoots. Facebook says their first goal is to beat the (non-existing) female record. What's really going on? Keeping the public in the dark then asking for donations is an odd combo, but from this team I expect nothing less. GO FAST USA!!!javascript:void(0);
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I do not understand why ed is making a big deal about going faster then kitty o'neal did. She did not set a record so who cares if the NAE go's faster then kitty did. The only record that ed should be going after is the record held by THRUST SSC.
I will say this if i spent all the time and money that ed has on the car I D A M N sure would not let anyone else drive it female or other wise. I know that ed is trying to get funding to run for the record but if he does not get his chance to run the car before BLOODHOUND is able to try for the record i think that the BLOODHOUND could set a record that is faster then the NAE can run. I asked ed how fast he thought the NAE could go and he said 800mph. I have a feeling that BLOODHOUND will go faster then that. I hope that i am wrong because i would like to see the ALSR come back to america. GO USA AND THE NAE.
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Publicity raises awareness.... and money. Ed is not a deep pockets, government backed and high profile type of guy. The only way he can afford to do this is to garner public support and some cash. Things like that would get him onto Edwards to run on that lakebed. A TV special covering Jessi's attempt could pay a lot of bills.
:cheers:
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Can't tell you much at this time but should be able to next week.
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Check out the latest news on the North American Eagle by going to the Microsoft homepage and scrolling down. Now you know why we're in Chicago.
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WOW!! That's exciting, Ed! I've been having a growing fear about "the other guys"
breaking the LSR before you do, and this latest news is encouraging!
(In fact, I've been awaiting your latest posting for a few days.)
I hope that the publicity generated by this Microsoft association results in a lot of
financial help for the project -- the sooner, the better!
I'm personally very poor financially these days, but will donate some $ when I can.
Your runs in September could be crucial to success, and time is certainly of the
essence.
Thanks for the updates.
tallguy (in northern California)
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Ed, It's been my understanding that a lack of cubic dollars has been the obsticle preventing you from running.
Other than truck loads of data points, the article made no mention of financial support. Is Microsoft injecting the capital into your project to allow you to finally go after the record or is it just technical support & public exposure?
Everybody likes to see an underdog succeed & you & Rosco are definately the underdogs in this three horse race.
Sid.
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Nice work getting on with Microsoft. What happened with Lenovo?
Hopefully your test runs will all be funded well this season.
Now get the word out, or pay someone to do it for you.
Get out there and set some REAL records for once. Go Fast USA!
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Hi KIWI. Besides needing to provide $38,000 to the BLM, funding has always been a problem. Inspiration has not been a problem.
If we are patient, Microsoft may be assisting us in our endevour. Lenovo provides products to help us but no revenue. And so it goes......
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Thanks for the reply Ed. Hopefully now that you have your face in their doorway they will decide to write off a few of their tax dollars.
There's plenty of people out here wanting to see you get the opportunity to show what you can do.
Sounds like Rosco's planning a shot 2016.
Sid.
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Considering the amount of cash that many huge multinational companies have stashed in Europe to avoid paying US tax on it -- maybe you should move the project to, say England or someplace else -- maybe even the Canary Islands or the Philipines or Russia. Then they could give you lots of money without feeling the hit nearly so much. Of course if they give you some funds that are stored in the US I'd expect that they could claim the donation on their US taxes - as long as you're a non-profit (legally, that is, not just in real life) :cry: Best wishes, as always.
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It just seems a$$ backwards to me that the BLM requires $38k for somebody to be able to use public land, especially a hunk of empty desert somewhere but then I'm just a simple Kiwi lost in America. What do I know!
Sid.
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Considering the amount of cash that many huge multinational companies have stashed in Europe to avoid paying US tax on it -- maybe you should move the project to, say England or someplace else -- maybe even the Canary Islands or the Philipines or Russia. Then they could give you lots of money without feeling the hit nearly so much. Of course if they give you some funds that are stored in the US I'd expect that they could claim the donation on their US taxes - as long as you're a non-profit (legally, that is, not just in real life) :cry: Best wishes, as always.
Slim - no point coming here as these news stories will testify.
◾A four-month investigation by news agency Reuters revealed that Starbucks reportedly paid just £8.6m in corporation tax in the UK over 14 years - including reporting accounting losses when it was profitable
◾ Google's UK unit paid just £6m to the Treasury in 2011 on turnover of £395m, according to the Telegraph
◾The UK's biggest online retailer Amazon generated sales of more than £3.3bn in the country last year but paid no corporation tax on any of the profits, according to the Guardian
◾ Facebook in the UK paid £238,000 in tax last year, according to its accounts, with most of the company's income believed to be legally going through its European base in Dublin, where corporation tax is lower than the UK
◾ Apple paid less than 2% corporation tax on its profits outside the US, paying $713m (£445m) on foreign pre-tax profits of $36.8bn
◾ US auction site eBay paid only £1.2m in tax in the UK, according to an investigation by the Sunday Times
How do they do it? Any way they can, usually via Liechtenstein, Bermuda, Ireland, Switzerland and other power houses of the global economy :-D Starbucks for instance buys all its coffee for the UK from Switzerland. Maybe the Swiss grow great coffee. On the other hand maybe it's because Starbucks set up a Swiss based import operation paying low tax there in order to sell it back to itself at a price that reduces it's profit in the UK to almost nothing.
I know you guys wonder why US based global corporates don't provide Ed with more support but the key word is "global" imo. They act globally and will do whatever it takes to maximise overall global profits, so simply appealing to national pride rarely cuts it with them. Show them a business case with numbers that support their sales and marketing plans and they'll listen. No disrespect to them, but that's tough for a team of guys that are first and foremost racers.
It's not just the outright LSR participants who struggle for funding. Even F1 is moving inexorably away from its European roots to countries where governments pick up the tab for reasons of national pride and little else. Their business model now depends on a ever shifting global TV audience rather than local punters and fans. The French GP bit the dust a few years back while Germany has gone the same way this year and there is talk of Monza under threat. Meanwhile, there will be a GP in Azerbaijan next year!!!! Could be a hot bed of international motor sport or it could be all the oil money. Mmmm, wonder which? Who'd have thought that the birthplace of motor sport and the homes of Mercedes Benz and Ferrari could be without home GPs? But as they say in business - follow the money.
I personally wish Ed and the team well whatever happens.
Robin
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To get to the truth in ANY corporate or political endeavor . . . . . . . follow the money . . . . . .
:dhorse:
F/B
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Interesting reading here (https://sites.google.com/site/blackrockdunes/permitappeal) regarding BLM permitting of the Black Rock Desert playa for recreational use, with references to the 1997 record attempts as well. The site's home page provides context.
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Even more interesting to me was the news from the Bloodhound team NOT going to make an attempt on the record this year but instead make "test" runs in the 600-700 mph range due to problems with there rocket engine development.
The door is ajar Eagle...
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They John Galt for a sponsor! :evil:
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I am having trouble finding (anywhere) the "Big Announcement" that the
North American Eagle's website said would be available early on July 13.
Anyone know where this "Big Announcement" is? Or what it is?
I hope it's not something like "NAE is now on Kickstarter, seeking your help".
I am already donating as much as I can afford to the project.
Ed: help or clarify, please? If the announcement hasn't yet been made,
I would understand (but don't like being teased).
Best of luck with the project. I'll try to get others to join the Kickstarter
effort for your team.
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My business partner, Keith, posted the "Big Announcement" without knowing anything of the trip to Orlando. Yes, we did spend time with the top executives of Microsoft, including the CEO, Satya. Brandyn, our IT guru, announced in front of 15,000 audiance and 200,000 streaming recipients that we are opening up a kickstarter program to raise the needed funds to run for the two records (yes, I know) Kitty O'Neil at 512 with Jessi Combs driving and me going after Richard Nobles 633 record which is the worlds fastest single engine record. We need these runs to validate our computer modeling so we know whether we can go after Thrust SSC record of 763. You would think, by now, that one or more large corporate sponsors would be interested in being the featured sponsor on our special by History Channel. Nothing yet but hoping!!!
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Yawn................................
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i just looked at the NAE kickstarter page and $2,167.00 dollars has been pledged out of the $100,000.00 dollars that they need to run.
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I wonder if anyone got the promised item for their donation?
Mike
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I donated some money (a while ago), and was offered a t-shirt as a reward.
I turned it down, because I don't need another t-shirt. I wanted the money
used to help the vehicle.
I encourage all fans of this project to post publicly (as on craigslist, twitter,
facebook, etc.) to spread the word that the NAE project badly needs donations.
I have done this and will continue to do so.
(my opinion:)
If the NAE doesn't break the LSR soon, it may never (i.e., if the record rises
to 900 mph or so).
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This team has a snowball's chance in hell. Don't waste your money.
This car will never go 500 mph, and set a non existing record.
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This team has a snowball's chance in hell. Don't waste your money.
This car will never go 500 mph, and set a non existing record.
This is a perfect example of "If you can't say something nice don't say nothing at all". Ski123, it just looks bad on you.
Pete
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Well Ski, I realize you have built many cars and have been in the 200 MPH club for quite some time now. It took me 22 years to get into the club.
It has also been 16 years since I began the NAE project and invested not only lots of my own money but huge amounts of my family's time and the
efforts of many friends. Many sponsors have helped along the way and we have made 44 test runs over 11 different test sessions. Jessi's first time
out gave her a 406.6001 two way average over the measured mile. I made a run at 515 MPH and it ran perfectly. We're going after both the
non-existant record of 512 this fall with Jessi driving and I am going after the worlds fastest single engine record of 633, set by Richard Noble in
1983. That will give us the data we need to know for sure if we can go after that 763 number in the spring. Yes, we need money for operational
costs. This isn't like Bonneville where the racer shows up and the venue is already for him/her and he sets his record. We have to bring everything
that is needed from toilet paper and outhouses to fuel, tools, food, water, fire suppression, firemen and paramedics. We keep 35 team members
happy for two weeks on a desert that is 130 miles for the nearest town. If you think this is easy, please join us in September and help us rather
than put us down and criticize the effort.
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Jessi's first time out gave her a 406.6001 two way average over the measured mile.
Publicity at the time said 344.002 mph?
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They guy who posted 344 posted the results of Jessi's first attempt. I have the actual data and it is 406. for her second attempt. That was on a two way, over the measured mile, within 54 minutes.
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Ed, what are the dates you'll be running in September? Not that I can promise to be there - but if things were to work out I'd be very please to show up. Is there cellphone service where you'll be racing? I need it - good service, not sketchy, to stream audio. I'd give it a shot if schedules work out. Lemme know - let us all know If I've missed the date 'cause it was posted above already -- well, shoot. But do it again, please, for yet another old guy's sake.
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They guy who posted 344 posted the results of Jessi's first attempt. I have the actual data and it is 406. for her second attempt. That was on a two way, over the measured mile, within 54 minutes.
Sorry to push this, but I've googled a bit and come up with this for the second attempt:
ALVORD DESERT, Oregon (October 9, 2013) – Jessi Combs has firmly established herself as the fastest woman on four wheels. Today she surpassed the existing women's land speed record with a two-way average speed of nearly 392 miles per hour through a measured mile on the dry lakebed at the Alvord Desert in southeastern Oregon. That speed beat her own 344 mph mark from yesterday, a speed that already surpassed the previous record of 308 mph set in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former world land speed record holder Craig Breedlove.
At one point during her run, Jessi reached a top speed of 440.709 mph. "That felt so unbelievably good," exclaimed Combs when told of her new record. "I knew that one was really, really fast."
Combs made two runs today in the Eagle. The rules require that a driver make two passes across a measured course, once in each direction, with the second pass completed within 60 minutes of the first. Officials then average the two speeds. On her first run, she passed through the measured mile at 354.931 mph, exiting the mile at 2:25 pm. But she was not entirely pleased with that first pass. "The car ran great, but I kept getting pulled into the ruts from yesterday's runs," she said.
After coming to a stop at the south end of the lakebed, the team turned and serviced the Eagle so that Jessi could re-fire the jet engine to make her return run. At 3:15 pm, she re-entered the measured mile and recorded a speed of 430.978 mph, for a two-way average of 392.954 mph.
Just trying to understand when she did the 406 average.
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I'll stand by my comments any day. NAE/Ed you sound like a broken record. We need more money, we need more money. No, you need to stop, take a step back and look at the whole way you go about things. I'm sure you will reply with the same old, we try real hard, we raced fast along time ago, we spend a lot of time, and we have no money. You have also shot down many good ideas, but that just shows your lack of vision. I wish you luck not killing anyone or yourself. Only 44 test runs in 16 years? Your data seems bogus as well, it seems to change as needed as well, very fishy. I am only looking out for others who think giving you more money is a good idea. It's not. How fast have I gone? How many cars have I built? Who's ALSR team have I helped? How much time have I spent at Bonneville, Black Rock, Alvord, quite a bit my family would say. Don't say I have never helped, my input is usually shot down with vengeance. I don't have any confidence in your team or car. Jessi, well that's a whole different ball of wax. She barely gave you any time on her social media last fundraising go around. She could have helped a bit more if she really wanted to. If you ask the right people you will get everything you will ever need to make this happen. I believe you guys are so short sighted, you can't see the trees through the forest. But you can't accept the help you really need, it is truly sad to see so much effort just being flushed down the toilet(porta pottie). So now you have dug up another record nobody cares about to try to match. Sounds desperate to me. I do support a ALSR team of my choice, my money and time is spent well and I feel good about it. Our country is the best ever and should always be on top, we are free to speak our mind and do as we please. Thanks for all who helped make it this way. NAE please don't be the Donald Trump of the ALSR world. Go Fast USA!
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"...we are free to speak our mind and do what we please"
Ok, how bout this....
Ski123, who the F.U.C.K are you? You have nothing constructive to contribute to LR.com. The only time you post is to bust Ed's balls. I, for one, am tired of it. Perhaps you should move on. You almost act like a internet troll.
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Brian, Ski has a run away mouth. But we can keep pissing him off so he can run his mouth. Hey Give Celia a hug for me.
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Brian, Ski has a run away mouth. But we can keep pissing him off so he can run his mouth. Hey Give Celia a hug for me.
:cheers:
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Brian, thanks for saying what I was thinking. :dhorse:
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Hey SSS, our permit is for Sept 20 to Oct 3. Cell phone service is spotty but if you hit it right, it does work. As for the Ski character, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one, it just that some stink! He should apply for British citizenship and join the Bloodhound team. He'll probably criticize them too. Maybe a better choice is to start criticizing Rosco, down under.
Rosco would probably hunt him down and stuff his computer up his behind.
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Okay, girls and boys. Let's get back to trying to further the goals of each and everyone one of us - as far as land speed racing goes. Constructive criticism is good -- constructive help is even better.
And being contrary for no apparent reason -- doesn't belong here more than once in a while - and then for good reason. I'm watching, too. :-)
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Thanks, Ed. I need a fairly good signal to stream anything - so maybe I'll dig around on the various cellular providers coverage maps to see if there's any way I can be confident of finding some service. The dates are fine - between the Shootout and WF. Maybe, Ed, just maybe -- I'll be able to be there. I'd enjoy it.
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I should put you in touch with our data aquisition and communications guys. They might have an answer for you.
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I met Ed Shadle about 2009 at the Redding Air Show in northern California.
He was very nice, and posed with me for a picture.
I wish success to him and the rest of the NAE team.
After reading the posts by ski123, I accelerated my efforts to help the NAE
project. This includes a kickstarter pledge I made today. By the way, the
total pledge amount (so far) has significantly increased in the last 24 hours,
in case anybody is interested in following the progress of this.
I'm not rich, but in order to help the NAE project raise money, I post in various
places to encourage others to also donate. One of the places I post is craigslist
(in various cities across the country).
Today I posted in several large cities, encouraging anyone to help (financially).
Good luck, NAE!
tallguy
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Total pledged so far is $7,267.00 dollars. I also want to see the NAE bring the record back to the USA. I think that if ED does not get the testing done soon and runs for the record either BLOODHOUND or AUSSIE INVADER are going to set the bar too high for the NAE to reach. I asked ED once how fast he thought NAE could run and he said 800MPH but not without some mods. KICK AZZ ED.
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The problem with Kickstarter is setting the bar to high, which we did. Yes, setting the records and all the cost surrounding it will be close to $100,000 but we can probably scrape by for less than that. If we don't hit the $100,000, it all goes back to the doners and you get nothing at all. When we went to Orlando last week for the Microsoft World Partnership Conference and were invited to participate in the keynote with Satya (CEO of Microsoft) and spent time rubbing elbows with the exec's of Microsoft we felt confident they would step up in some way more than software products. Announcing the Kickstarter in front of 15,000 people in the audience plus video streaming to over 200,000 worldwide should have spurred some donations. Well, it hasn't produced the donations we were hoping for. If we can't get a sponsor who wants to have their company featured on the History Channel documentary that will be produced, then I guess we'll just scrape money together the best way we can. Trouble is, no money, no certified timing from Mike Cook and company. Then what?
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What do you mean "THEN WHAT"! This is your show Ed! We're just waiting to see you get it done or at least take a real shot at it before it's too late.
How did you figure this was going to go when you started out, did you have a plan, did you expect to pick up some big sponsors or what?
Sid.
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Is there a link to a PayPal site somewhere for donating?
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Go to our website, www.landspeed.com and the donate button is on the front page.
The other question about how this started out and all.............Well, it is a long story but the short version is: I had the idea back when the Brit's ran 763 that I could take
a mach two fighter which has the correct inlet design for supersonic speeds and use that platfom as the basis for the project. From my experience in the Air Force, I knew
the F-104 would be the best candidate because it is small and very fast. I had met with some higher-ups at Edwards AFB and told them about my idea. They loved it and
we entered into a Cooperative Research and Development agreement where they would provide surplus F-104 parts from their scrap yard and provide engineering support.
The plan was also to conduct a majority of the work and all speed runs at Edwards AFB. There is 11 miles end to end and a very nice surface. Those of us who ran at the
Muroc Reunion found the lakebed to be perfect for the project. A local fellow in Oregon who had been trying to get the surplus parts found I had gotten them via the CRDA
and it pissed him off royally. He contacted the GSA and the Air Force and claimed that I did not have a land speed project and that I was really selling the parts to middle
east countries. Soon the men in black suits were in my front yard. I had already purchased the F-104 I have, from a scrap yard in Maine and I own it free and clear. After
several visits and various events (Marlo can tell you how that works) I had to get an attorney. I eventually found myself at the US Attorney Generals office where they
did the hot lamp over my head deal for another 2 hours. They found that I never sold, traded or otherwise did anything unscrupulous with the parts. I wasn't charged and
they even wrote me a letter stating that I was debarred but that it was only a formality and that it was all a big mistake. Meanwhile GSA took all the parts back and put them
up for bid. They guy in Oregon has most of those parts now. The CRDA was also cancelled and I was left with a scrapped out F-104 and a vision. I guess it is my nature
to be stubborn so I said to myself, to hell with them! I'm going to figure out a way to do it anyway. I surrounded myself with others that share the vision and began
the project to attempt to break the world land speed record. And that's the way it was!
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Thanks, Ed. Somehow I did not see it. A guy told me I had absolutely no chance of any success on my Triumph. It gave me some extra motivation and he was wrong. Do not let anyone discourage you. You do not need to defend yourself, either.
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Thanks for that Ed. Lack of information is never good & that reply helps the rest of us out here to better understand the situation you have.
The loss of technical support & venue must have been a huge blow.
Have you talked to Rosco to compare campaign notes? He's not afraid to have a chat & you are both the underdog brother's here.
Sid.
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Yes, Rosco and communicate back and forth quite often. We face very similar issues of technology, government, lack of sponsorship dollars, etc.
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I made another donation today, after learning that the recent Kickstarter
crowdfunding effort had failed to reach its goal.
Yeah, I'm boasting. And I would be pleased to see boasting by additional
donors who want to see America once again hold the absolute land speed record.
I'm gonna post again to craigslist, in an effort to get more support for this project.
Good luck, North American Eagle!
tallguy (in northern California)
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What now, untimed runs? Got guestimates?
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they have been out on lake Alvord this week, hoping some news leaks out, or is
presented by the PR team...
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If you are on Facebook or know someone who is,
Jessi Combs has posted a few updates and a
couple of pictures. Looks like all is going well.
I wonder once again about the cloak of secrecy.
Jessi can post and communicate but the NAE team
either cannot or will not. What's to hide?
Good luck Go Fast!
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Just checked the NAE Facebook page:
"The North American Eagle team ran into some technical difficulties, and unfortunately is heading back early. We will share more details in the coming days".
BUMMER
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Major bummer, indeed. I had given serious thought to going to Alvord to stream some audio for this website - but decided not to since there'd be so much "dead time" between stuff worth sending down the stream. In retrospect -- geez, I'm glad I guessed that I should stay home. Too bad for Pork Pie, though -- I know he was going out there. Maybe he's in Wilmington today/tomorrow and will get to see some racing, at least.
Best wishes anyway to the N A E team. Nobody can go fast without at least trying. . . and the team has certainly done that.
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PP not going to Alvord or Wilmington...
Definite bummer for NAE
sounds like the course conditions were fantastic
I know the team had high hopes, driver Jessie Combs posted pics
and reports on FB:
""Civilization.... #adios! Off to make some world records and history and stuff.""
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This is just a preliminary post about the week of test runs at Alvord. We unloaded and set up on Monday/Tuesday with first runs scheduled for Wednesday. The weather was beautiful and the track was really good with 8 miles of nice dirt. On Wednesday we made three runs but the first two showed a gremlin we had not seen since 2012. If you remember, we made several straight and true runs in 2013 with one run at 515. Jessi set a new record that year of 406.6001 and we were really hyped about running the next year. Just like Bonneville, the track conditions in 2014 were so bad we couldn't run so we had to wait another year. This year we were fully expecting some records to be picked off but it wasn't meant to be. The hydraulic system and most probably the hydraulic pump, periodically would not produce enough pressure to to even actuate our lifting mechanism, let alone run the steering cylinders. We worked feverishly to solve the problem and Wednesday afternoon I ordered a new steering valve and had it UPSed overnight to Burns where two of our guys drove the 260 mile round trip to get it back so we could replace it. At the time we didn't think our pump was the problem so we were concentrating on the valve. After spending all that effort the valve was the wrong one so we were unable to use it. We reassembled everything in a howling wind/dirt storm and by late on Thursday we pulled to the mile 0 to make another attempt at a run. All day the wind was blowing but it settled for a little bit. I had made three runs previously with the best one at about 300 MPH so this time we put Jessi in the cockpit so she could get some seat time. She blasted off the line like she was going for the record right then! Unfortunately, the same failure occured and she had to abort the run. By then it was late Thursday so we decided it was time to shut down for the evening. On Friday we worked on the problem all day but had no solution plus doing a major teardown in the field was out of the question. I made the difficult decision to call the event. We spent Friday evening and Saturday morning packing and we all headed home. Other than the steering issue, everything worked exceedingly well. On Monday morning I'll be on the phone with Eaton Engineering to talk about the valve and pump problems and get this fixed once and for all. I'm working a reschedue of the speed runs as soon as possible so we can get the job done and set our date to run for the absolute record. Many of you have been down this road so you know how my team and I feel about it. Yes, we're frustrated and disappointed but not disallusioned. We'll be back soon!
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Thanks for the update, Ed. Sorry for your problems. At least it wasn't anything serious.
Ron
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Thanks for the update Ed.
JT
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Godzilla El Nino will flood Diamond Valley till June 2016.
Thank you for the drought relief, California needs it.
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We can use rain, of course. I hope we get a decent amount of it.
That said, I take all weather forecasts with a grain of salt . . .
and I take any weather forecasts that go 7 months (or so) into the
future with MORE than a grain of salt.
I'm rooting for the NAE team, and helping them.
I'm not just sitting at my computer, trying to stir up arguments.
Next spring, I expect to be watching the NAE go faster than ever.
This team could sure use some financial contributions. I have made
a few of these, and plan to make some more.
That is all (for now).
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I was curious about the acceleration capability of the Lockheed F-104
aircraft, from which the North American Eagle is built.
Today I found this article, which quite impressed me.
http://www.pacificaviationmuseum.org/pearl-harbor-blog/lockheed-f-104-starfighter
Good luck, NAE team!
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Really good article.
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Check out chapter 1 or our 6 part series about the North American Eagle. www.fromspeedtosound.com.
We'll release one chapter per week over the next six weeks.
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When you open speedtosound, you have to click on "the story" then when the first chapter begins, you have to click on the photo. For some reason, our IT guy
chose to do it that way. I guess that's the way they do that!
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That is a nice website. The photos are well composed.
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www.fromspeedtosound.com, Chapter 2 is online now.
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Is Jessi still involved with the NAE project?
I was wondering because she hasn't posted
anything on her Facebook page about your
new web site rollout. She has almost 315K
likes, surely her popularity would be an asset
to your program. Just wondering, go fast!
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Jessi is still involved. She will be flying up for our engine/system checkout at the end of the month. She is going to start ramping up her media stuff so we can get more exposure and hopefully get some revenue generated. I have to raise a quick $25,000 to give to the BLM in order to move ahead with obtaining the needed permit to run at a lakebed in Nevada.
The latest chapter on the "behind the story of the NAE" has been posted. Here is the link to it......http://www.fromspeedtosound.com/story/trials-and-tribulations/
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Part 4 of the story behind the NAE is up at www.fromspeedtosound.com.
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Part 5 of the NAE is up. This one is written about Jessi Combs. Click on the small thumbnail and watch a run by Jessi. http://www.fromspeedtosound.com/story/new-reason-to-race/
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Part 5 of the NAE is up. This one is written about Jessi Combs. Click on the small thumbnail and watch a run by Jessi. http://www.fromspeedtosound.com/story/new-reason-to-race/
What is the plan for the year 2016?
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On April 23rd we did a full function test of the engine and systems, including our data aquisition and radio communications and everything checked out with an A+.
I've been working very hard to get a permit (NEPA) to utilize the Diamond Valley lakebed in Nevada but to get the permit I still have a great deal of baseline environmental
data to provide to the BLM plus $25,000. If I can get that permit approved, that would open the DV to all of us other racers that want to utilize it for land speed runs.
So far, I can't get the support of any of the other racers that want to run toward the 500 mark. It seems a little short sighted to me as it can benefit all of us if we can
get the approval but so far I'm going it alone. I've also been looking at some other venues but none of them offer the distance and smooth surface that is available at DV.
The Eagle is ready to make some 600+ runs now and all we need is a track. Bonneville is just to thin and Black Rock is to rough. We're ready but our government isn't
giving us any help at all. Still looking!!!
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So far, I can't get the support of any of the other racers that want to run toward the 500 mark. It seems a little short sighted to me as it can benefit all of us if we can get the approval but so far I'm going it alone.
Ed - Richard Brown, Jet Reaction builder/rider) from the UK will be sending a personal mail to you - watch out for it - regarding track sharing etc.
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OK, waiting for it.
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Ed, What is the condition and length of Diamond Valley look like?
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Some recent news from Microsoft and North American Eagle.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/pegasus-mission-goes-supersonic-nae-matt-long
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Great sounding news, Ed. I hope the project reaps some big rewards - $$ among them -- from this hookup with MS. I look forward to watching the program develop further.
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Bump!
Nice work getting on with Microsoft. What happened with Lenovo?
Hopefully your test runs will all be funded well this season.
Now get the word out, or pay someone to do it for you.
Get out there and set some REAL records for once. Go Fast USA!
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It's almost Sept. Burners are in Reno.
It must be time for the NAE team to go?
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Mid September
Things are heating up, right?
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According to Jessie's recent posts on Facebook, they are running next week. No mention of where...
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Alvord Desert. They are out there getting ready to run. We stopped by the Alvord Desert on the way home from BMST. Very interesting place, in the middle of nowhere.
https://www.landspeed.com/stories/journey-series/the-road-to-2016-part-1/ (https://www.landspeed.com/stories/journey-series/the-road-to-2016-part-1/)
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Cool :cheers:
Be sure to follow the pegasusmission.com links.
Mike
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Live broadcast of a shakedown run at 6 pm PT from the Pegasus site. Broadcast starts at 5:30.
I guess they aren't interested in the debate...
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I'm signed up for text alerts, and if I can manage to squeak in a few seconds here and there -- might try to post on the Forum if somebody isn't already doing it.
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Woo hoo! Telemetry just came online.
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Could see on the telemetry stream that the car was being towed, but apparently a technical glitch forced them to cancel the test run.
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Hey there, girls and boys -- The North American Eagle is up on the Alvord Desert now - and we've got a fly (?!) in the dust to send back stuff if there's much to send back. Stay tuned.
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Our German friend is also on hand. Maybe some of us will get some photos. :cheers:
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Their base camp -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEOv5wKDYK4
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Any word on what the plans are for this week?
Who's driving?
How many wheels fitted (previously there has been talk of running with 3 wheels for FIM and 5 for FIA)?
Any official timers there, or are they self-timing with GPS?
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I know last year they used U.S.F.R.A. timing equipment.
Don
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WoW! I just got one heck of a story from Ed Shadle. Jim Halladay has been staying in touch with me and told me of a farkle last night -- and now Ed's given me the scoop. Ready for this?
The car needed a hydraulic part (steering stuff)that was in the shop back in Stanaway. Favors were called in and a guy flew from his home base to Stanaway to get the part. Departed there around 7 pm ETA Alvord around 10. Now comes the fun:
The pilot's cellphone didn't get the text that gave the Eagle team's GPS coordinates - and pilot error compounded into him landing at Alvord LAKE -- about 10 miles south of Eagle. Ed described the landing area as one that shouldn't have been used for landing. Result: one wadded up airplane, one pilot sitting there when the crew arrived a few hours later. Pilot was holding - a bag of parts! Delivery made, pilot safe and sound.
So the parts are now installed on the car and the crew hopes to make some smoke and noise in a while.
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sounds like smoke and noise has already been accomplished...
here is to achieving some "SPEED"...
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Yeow! The Alvord is so middle of nowhere that pilots land on the highway and pull up to the gas pump at the Fields shake shack/gas station to refuel. Hope the pilot doesn't have too much trouble getting his plane out of there. Maybe they can load it in a trailer and get it home. I hear the NAE crew is pretty experienced at cutting the wings off if necessary.
(http://icons-ak.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/g/GumpAir/51-awesome.jpg)
Oh, and just to pick a nit - it's Spanaway with a p.
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Well, if that's the way you feel about it -- tiss on you! :evil:
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It's nothing tersonal.
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And that line of reasoning brings back my mom's teaching of pronunciation -- she'd say things like "Remember that the "p" in pnuemonia is silent, as in swimming."
Oh, Mom, I'll remember the important stuff forever. . . :cheers: :cheers:
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Good to see some updates. The Facebook and Twitter posts have been a little ambiguous!
It sounds like one of those; anything that can go wrong will go wrong situations. Stay safe out there gang!
JT
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Not everything. Jim is very complimentary to Ed's culinary hospitality. I wonder, though -- was it really a 20-gallon barrel of chili last night? :? :cheers:
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Posted on the NAE facebook page about half an hour ago:
After some difficulties on previous runs with steering, the North American Eagle has completed it's first full shakedown (not full speed) run, reaching over 360mph. With that out of the way, it's now time to turn our heads towards topping two different records!
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And I just got a voicemail from Jim (Texican) Halladay saying that the run was spectacular!!!!!
Tomorrow, the BIG stuff!
Gregg
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Posted on the NAE facebook page about half an hour ago:
... With that out of the way, it's now time to turn our heads towards topping two different records!
Do we know which two records they might be?
And who are the current record holders?
:evil: :dhorse: :evil: :dhorse: :evil:
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Posted on the NAE facebook page about half an hour ago:
... With that out of the way, it's now time to turn our heads towards topping two different records!
Do we know which two records they might be?
And who are the current record holders?
:evil: :dhorse: :evil: :dhorse: :evil:
The unofficial women's speed record and the unofficial single engine record.
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HUH? An "unofficial record" is NO RECORD at all!
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No, no, -- not that discussion again! :dhorse:
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The unofficial women's speed record and the unofficial single engine record.
Is that the unofficial mile or the unofficial kilometre?
Do you have to run two ways to set an unofficial record?
How can you be sure of the current unofficial record you have to beat?
I'm sure that horse moved: keep on flogging ...
:dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse:
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Looks like they are getting ready for a run. Jesse Combs is driving.
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HUH? An "unofficial record" is NO RECORD at all!
Jessi Combs' OFFICIAL website says she's the women's land speed record holder. So there!
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The unofficial women's speed record and the unofficial single engine record.
Is that the unofficial mile or the unofficial kilometre?
Do you have to run two ways to set an unofficial record?
How can you be sure of the current unofficial record you have to beat?
I'm sure that horse moved: keep on flogging ...
:dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse:
Metric mile measured up hill both ways. Unofficially.
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All speeds achieved will be official in the eyes of the WLSRA.
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HUH? An "unofficial record" is NO RECORD at all!
Jessi Combs' OFFICIAL website says she's the women's land speed record holder. So there!
That's the FIA version. They are shooting for the FIM record this week (maybe).
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HUH? An "unofficial record" is NO RECORD at all!
Jessi Combs' OFFICIAL website says she's the women's land speed record holder. So there!
That's the FIA version. They are shooting for the FIM record this week (maybe).
The governing body the FIA told Ed that they did not recognise any gender record when the last clain was made and I doubt that the FIM will take an interest in a five wheeled single engine jet car. The FIM has no female record or indeed rocket record of 512mph in their listing. A motorcycle speed record timer did record the efforts of Kitty O'Neil with the three wheel SMI Motivator. [If I ever bet my money, it would be on the WLSRA to sanction any speeds set this week].
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Welsh Land Speed Record Association? :-D Seriously, if they just did what Valerie and Eva did by trying to beat an existing record without having to resort to creating your own governing body you could give them some respect. They've been at this for years (pre ThrustSSC if you count their first car) but all the respect I had for their determination went out of the window when they decided to make up their own rules. If we're all wrong and they are aiming for an official FIA or FIM record with all that that implies, then good for them.
Robin
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Looks like they are getting ready for a run. Jesse Combs is driving.
I've got to the live telemetry web site but not seeing any numbers. Anyone know if they are transmitting today?
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There is a silent video showing the vehicle running today(?).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgvvBrvysw4&feature=youtu.be
Apparently, a drone camera flying over head.
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The silent footage shows a wonderful desert area on which to run. Does anyone know the actual length/distance that NAE has available this year?
More questions:
Without any course marking visible how do you FOD the likely track? Is this a desert that does not attract or hold any material from the past which could be a problem for a fast moving vehicle?
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many others stick an outrigger ...aka "sidecar" on the vehicle to
get records...
maybe its a car (4 wheel) with a sidecar (5th wheel) ...?...
im not sure, I hope they go fast...
they have a new telecommunications company on board and on site...im
hoping they get the telemetry and video telecommunications ironed out so
we can fully appreciate whats occurring....
they have invited a "global" audience and have a global telecom company on board, but folks reporting not getting info...etc
I signed up for updates
to date 0 ....
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many others stick an outrigger ...aka "sidecar" on the vehicle to
get records...
maybe its a car (4 wheel) with a sidecar (5th wheel) ...?...
im not sure, I hope they go fast...
they have a new telecommunications company on board and on site...im
hoping they get the telemetry and video telecommunications ironed out so
we can fully appreciate whats occurring....
they have invited a "global" audience and have a global telecom company on board, but folks reporting not getting info...etc
I signed up for updates
to date 0 ....
The plan was to tun it on three wheels for FIM, and five for FIA.
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Looks like they are getting ready for a run. Jesse Combs is driving.
I've got to the live telemetry web site but not seeing any numbers. Anyone know if they are transmitting today?
It never seems to work right. I looked at it earlier and it showed they were doing 478mph for about 45 minutes....
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The silent footage shows a wonderful desert area on which to run. Does anyone know the actual length/distance that NAE has available this year?
More questions:
Without any course marking visible how do you FOD the likely track? Is this a desert that does not attract or hold any material from the past which could be a problem for a fast moving vehicle?
I believe they said they have 10.5 miles of really good surface to work with.
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Check the telemetry company's blog here: https://pegasusmission.com/ (https://pegasusmission.com/)
Mike
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I believe they said they have 10.5 miles of really good surface to work with.
That information is useful since the news was released by Jessi that she got to the edge of the desert.
It is interesting and confusing that the facebook photo she has posted shows three clear wheel tracks, suggesting they have indeed got the vehicle to be the same as SMI Motivator for her. The middle track seems to have been carrying more load as she braked hard!
The confusion is that the FIM do not list the attempt, so has it been notified to them? www.fim-live.com/worldspeedrecords
The FIA have only ever differentiated between jet engine(s) and rocket engine(s), so even with one power unit to set a record NAE would have to beat Thrust SSC at 763+ mph, or do they?
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I believe they said they have 10.5 miles of really good surface to work with.
That information is useful since the news was released by Jessi that she got to the edge of the desert.
It is interesting and confusing that the facebook photo she has posted shows three clear wheel tracks, suggesting they have indeed got the vehicle to be the same as SMI Motivator for her. The middle track seems to have been carrying more load as she braked hard!
The confusion is that the FIM do not list the attempt, so has it been notified to them? www.fim-live.com/worldspeedrecords
The FIA have only ever differentiated between jet engine(s) and rocket engine(s), so even with one power unit to set a record NAE would have to beat Thrust SSC at 763+ mph, or do they?
I think she went off the side of the course to the edge of the rough stuff down the sides, not to far end in a straight line. I think the single engine "record" the are talking about would be trying to go faster than Thrust 2's 633 mph record speed.
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does anyone know the speeds achieved...?...
I wasnt staring at screen all day to see if and when the telemetry might
come up...and havent received any of the updates after signing up for them...
Jessi Combs FB says "faster then she has ever gone"...
which is awesome...
just a mystery as to the actual speed'
they broadcasting "globally" in real time ...?....so hoping someone
caught it....as I havent seen any announcement of a number,
just "faster then ever"
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What in the hell is the NAE team doing other then not trying to break the record that THRUST SSC set in 97. Yo ed its time to push the throttle forward and get the car going towards record speed.
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They indicated they are currently shooting to get Jessi faster than the Kitty Oneils speed from 1976...
then for the Brits speeds from 1983 ....
on their way in future to the Brits speeds from 97 ..
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Looks like the project is done. Jessi was off track but stayed out of the bush.
Packing up the car, no speeds given ( nothing new ). All according to
NAE and Jessi's Facebook pages. Back to the drawing board?
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Saw this on Instagram from one of the crew members:
"A moment of silence is needed as being apart of the #northamericaneagle family for 7 years and bringing @thejessicombs to the family to become the #fastestfemale we have had the worst luck this year in history of the #jetcar as we had a #mayday call and #searchandrescue for a crashed plane that was bringing us parts with an ET. Of landing at 11:30 and lost communication when he was 20 min out we then find him at 3:30am in his plan with out a scratch on him and a wrecked plane. Jessi then kept her trust with us got the car figured out with a low speed pass and car working good Jessi then runs a faster then she has ever been bringing the car to a stop in the bushes as safety goes when one safety equipment fails never give up and trust the rest that u have and drive the car to the best of the ability to save ur self. A few big major parts the car need to be re designed and tested before the car is ever to run again so a scare like this is never an option or a chance."
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https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmericanEagle (https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmericanEagle)
"By the time I realized I was closer to the timing van than in between the timing lights where I should have been, I aborted mission..."
Mike
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I am glad that the only damage was to the car. So where does that leave the team. I hate to say it but i think that the NAE is done. I am sure that the BLOODHOUND team is going to put the record out of reach before the NAE runs again. It seems like all the hard work that went into the car is all for naught. It would have been cool to see the NAE go supersonic.
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Some might (cruelly :?) suggest that a single engined jet car could not have taken on Thrust SSC. They still have the two goals of the project which were listed above - a female record and a single jet speed record - to attain. And perhaps they have a year in which to return to Alvord.
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Congratulations, Ed and crew. You had a dream, built a vehicle, brought it through the testing phase, and made a serious run for a record. Plus, you did it on a course that was mostly your own work to make viable...and in a jet plane without wings on a hot-rodder's budget. That is a heck of a big accomplishment.
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We were sitting in the U-Haul that housed the timing equip.
My guess was "about 450".
Data showed about that at time of cutoff.
Later while checking wires prior to rewinding; and measuring from the tracks left; I paced off 100 yards to West of 1st set of lights, then 231 yards due East of our perch at passage.
Pretty impressive at less than 700'!
Ed is promising a large press release on Monday.
Stay tuned
Jim.
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Well eds update today was a little disappointing. All he talked about was how they where not able to break the two non existentence records that they keep harping about. Ed did not say anything about any damage to the car on the last run. There was no info about how long it will be before the car runs again. I still think that BLOODHOUND SSC is going put the record out of reach before the NAE ever runs again. I was not impressed with eds post today. Time is short ed BLOODHOUND is comming.
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http://www.geekwire.com/2016/jet-powered-car-streams-data-microsoft-team-world-speed-record-attempts/
I didn't write the update or the press release. It was done by the media people at Microsoft with input from our IT kid who wasn't at the session. The real story is much bigger and has more technical detail in it. When I get it finished up in a document form, I'll share it with all of you. The basic story is that we started out with some similar steering issues like we experienced last year but figured out what was wrong and corrected it. The side story is that we needed some adjustable, directional flow restrictors we had in the shop and we needed them ASAP. On Tuesday evening a friend flew the parts down to us and was expected to land on the lakebed at about 10:30 PM. As in nearly all aviation accidents, one problem was compounded by another problem then another problem which resulted in the airplane crashing in the dark about 10 miles South of our location. We were able to find him (no thanks to the FAA or 911 dispatcher) by 3:30 AM. We returned to camp, installed the parts and I made a test pass in the early afternoon. I began my run at about the 2 mile and went past the 6 mile in full afterburner at 380 mph. The Eagle went straight as an arrow and we knew we had solved the steering issue. We scheduled a run for the next morning with Jessi in the cockpit. At the 2 mile marker she was traveling a little over 100 mph then went into AB and was at 320 at the 3 mile. A cross wind pushed her to the right of the course and she backed out but hit a weenie cone at the 4 mile and decapitated it. We pulled back to the pits for refuel and inspection for any damage from the cone. All was well so we pulled down to the start line at the South end of the lakebed. We knew a weather front was coming in so we needed to get this done before the winds picked up. We held for quite some time as winds kept gusting and dust was blowing. About 4 PM, we began the roll. Jessi went into AB by the 1 mile marker and kept it in all the way past the 6. The wind had blown down the 6 mile marker so she may not have been able to see it at 477 MPH.. The wind blew the Eagle off course just enough so she was headed slightly West of the end of the lakebed which is about a half mile shorter than the marked course. Jessi backed off the throttle, deployed the speed brakes, fired the high speed chute. No Chute! She was full on the magnetic brakes and fired the second chute, NO Chute! Now she was closing in on the end of the lakebed so she is now pulling on the nose brake too. She felt she was still going pretty fast at the last 100 yards when the Eagle started slowing well and the Eagle went about 30 feet into the sagebrush at the end of the lakebed. Jessi was safe and the Eagle wan't damaged. Inspection of the chutes indicated the high speed chute had fired but the trap door didn't open due to a bind in the link that pulls the release. The Low Speed chute failed due to a newly replaced magnetic reed switch that had an internal malfunction. Bad timing for both chutes to have mechanical and electrical failures at the same time! By the time we got back to the pits and digested all the events of the day, that weather front was headed our way and the wind started blowing like hell. The packup on Friday was miserable but we were off the lakebed by about noon. All in all, it was a crazy event filled week but we did validate our steering modifications and the knowledge that the horsepower from the Eagle is working as advertised. The thrust never dropped off and it accelerated like a beast with no limits. We need better course markings and a longer (Diamond Valley?) course as we have pushed Alvord to the limit. We'll be back with more confidence than ever that we can do it!!!
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Ed-- CONGRATULATIONS on your efforts this year. No record speeds- but lots of learning and come on, admit it -- some fun, too. :-D :cheers: :cheers:
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:cheers: To ED and Crew
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Scary on many levels.
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Thanks so much Ed and Crew, you guys embody the spirit of Land Speed Racing.
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I have tried several times to post video from the lake bed of Jessi's run in the NAE, I guess the file is too big , however if you go to FB you should be able to find it under the 'Asshole Garage' page.
on another note it was a pleasure to work with the team on this endeavor , the most dedicated and friendly bunch of folks I have ever worked with !
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Congrats Ed, Jessi and crew.... emergency situations test vehicle and driver... multiple failures and no major damage, a little sage brush in the wheels. Good job driving
:cheers: :cheers:
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I have tried several times to post video from the lake bed of Jessi's run in the NAE, I guess the file is too big , however if you go to FB you should be able to find it under the 'Alfa Garage' page.
on another note it was a pleasure to work with the team on this endeavor , the most dedicated and friendly bunch of folks I have ever worked with !
This should be the direct link to your video. https://www.facebook.com/richard.h.thomas.10/videos/1150519524984832/
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WOW!
:cheers:
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it was a pleasure to work with the team on this endeavor , the most dedicated and friendly bunch of folks I have ever worked with !
Agreed
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Hey MX304, Is that video of 2nd run at the 4 1/2 west side ?, we were on west side about 3.9.
I think i recognize the voice in the video, (hey have you seen our hats -- gravel, or pavement)
Great Video clip, thanks.
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Hey MX304, Is that video of 2nd run at the 4 1/2 west side ?, we were on west side about 3.9.
I think i recognize the voice in the video, (hey have you seen our hats -- gravel, or pavement)
Great Video clip, thanks.
Not sure. The video is Billy @ AHG's I was just posting it here to make it easier for people to find.
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The video is Billy @ AHG's I was just posting it here to make it easier for people to find.
Where is the video, I don't see a link?
Tom G.
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Took a min but just showed up on my screen on reply #154.
Ed
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For some reason reply 154 shows a blank page on my computer. I quoted the page and this showed up, so I will post it.
Tom G.
Well that did not work as it came up blank also, so let's try this. For some reason my computer will not let me post a facebook link, so combine the two parts below and it will take you there.
https://www.
facebook.com/richard.h.thomas.10/videos/1150519524984832/
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Gotta respect that!
BR
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Sorry to create so much confusion over the videos , one problem I hadn't noticed was the "Cuss filter" it changed the name of the FB page , It's A##hole Garage , (you can probably fill in the blanks). Or like someone posted a link to my page Richard H Thomas , On FB .
Yes we were on the west side of the course about 2 tenths back at about the 4.75 mile. we were attempting to time between the 4.5 and the 5.5 , however Jessi was 100 yards off course to the west at the 4.5 , and passed us at about 650 away, A bit too close for comfort but it made for a good video ! Funny thing was we all took a vote and decided which direction to run if things went wrong, however none of us had the sense to yell "RUN".. Too much fun !!
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Sorry to create so much confusion over the videos , one problem I hadn't noticed was the "Cuss filter" it changed the name of the FB page , It's A##hole Garage , (you can probably fill in the blanks).
No problem Billy, but I wondered why I could not find the alfa garage on Google. Ha Ha Ha now I know why. Thanks for the video it was great.
Tom G.
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http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/10/the-pride-of-a-nation-the-north-american-eagle-land-speed-record-project/
Another little story about us.
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Could the rudder flap be used to adjust the trim so the vehicle tracks straight in a sidewind?
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According to the FIA rules, you cannot use winged surfaces to control the vehicle, otherwise it's considered an airplane. We just cannot run when the wind is blowing.
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FIA Appendix D - 2016
D2.3.3 Category C: Special Automobiles.
D2.3.3.a These Records may be subdivided according to the
type of engine used (jet, rocket, etc.).
D2.3.3.b The use of moveable aerodynamic devices is
permitted.
Just in case you need them keep to five wheels!
If you lost two wheels an ran to FIM rules, then they state
81.01 General
No part of a motorcycle (with the exception of extreme aerodynamic vehicles, also
known as ‘Streamliners’) may extend beyond the wheels. No airfoils, spoilers or
movable external control surfaces are allowed.
81.19 STREAMLINED (Special Construction Vehicles, or ‘Streamliners’)
No movable external control surfaces are allowed. No airfoils or spoilers are allowed
if not integrated in the basic streamlined form. Only one (1) single rear fixed vertical
fin is allowed
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now just how fun can that be?
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Another cool photo of the team at SEMA with Tony Wood and John D'Augustino.
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November update is online now.
https://www.landspeed.com/stories/project-updates/november-12-2016/
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http://nymag.com/speed/2016/11/this-75-year-old-is-set-to-break-the-land-speed-record.html?mid=emailshare_speed
A little PR in the New York area. Maybe some rich guy will read it and help us with some funding?
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I don't remember the last time I got a speeding ticket. Nancy drives faster than me...on the highways, that is. :roll:
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Here is a pretty good show about the North American Eagle that aired on our local channel. It covers a great deal of the life of the project.
It aired mid September just before we went to the Alvord Dry Lake for our test runs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHs9o8FZdlE&feature=youtu.be
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Enjoyable.. thanks for posting.
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March 4th update is on the site.
Lots of things happening........... https://www.landspeed.com/sto…/project-updates/march-4-2017/
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April 22nd update has some pretty good content. We're going through the usually government drill trying to get our permit to run in the desert.
https://www.landspeed.com/stories/project-updates/april-22-2017/
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Getting the Roadster ready.
https://www.landspeed.com/sto…/project-updates/july-15-2017/
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Media blackout?
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There is a good article on the NAE and Ed on www.hemmings.com
I'm not sure why these things never get posted here, facebook or their site?
Anybody got any insight? Diamond valley in Feb? Go Fast USA!
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According to the FIA rules, you cannot use winged surfaces to control the vehicle, otherwise it's considered an airplane. We just cannot run when the wind is blowing.
Eeek...Bloodhound has canards and a tailplane which are adjustable for stability...I assume this is OK?
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They can be preset, you just can't fly it on the ground.
Sid.
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The Bloodhound team have read and are following the FIA rules, which I have copied below. What is interesting is that D2.3.3.b still allows interpretation, because it does not refer to whether or not the vehicle is in motion when a device is moved!
Apart from the spelling of movable with an e, which may show that the text could have originally been in French and then translated, Category C vehicles can be aerodynamically controlled, which for supersonic and beyond might be a very good safety factor.
D2.3.3 Category C: Special Automobiles.
D2.3.3.a These Records may be subdivided according to the type of engine used (jet, rocket, etc.).
D2.3.3.b The use of moveable aerodynamic devices is permitted.
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It might get kind of sketchy moving an aerodynamic device at speed.
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Don't I recall that some experimental aeroplanes have movable aerodynamic devices? :cheers:
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Don't I recall that some experimental aeroplanes have movable aerodynamic devices? :cheers:
LOL. :-D
Sid.
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I am told that most jet fighters, working admittedly in three dimensions without any one fixed surface, use aero trim control to assist pilot 'stick' inputs.
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It might get kind of sketchy moving an aerodynamic device at speed.
I put some more thought into this.
The NAE has numerous computers, microprocessors and sensors. With those controlling any type of adjustments ; any aerodynamic changes should be completely safe.
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Half way through January any news NAE? Last article I saw it looked like the BLM had given the OK for Diamond Valley in Feb. It's hard to raise money with a media blackout in this day and age. Ed I hope all is well with you as well. F&#@ Cancer! Good luck Go Fast USA! Keep your fans and sponsors informed.
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The Bloodhound team have read and are following the FIA rules, which I have copied below. What is interesting is that D2.3.3.b still allows interpretation, because it does not refer to whether or not the vehicle is in motion when a device is moved!
Apart from the spelling of movable with an e, which may show that the text could have originally been in French and then translated, Category C vehicles can be aerodynamically controlled, which for supersonic and beyond might be a very good safety factor.
D2.3.3 Category C: Special Automobiles.
D2.3.3.a These Records may be subdivided according to the type of engine used (jet, rocket, etc.).
D2.3.3.b The use of moveable aerodynamic devices is permitted.
When you are shooting to be the fastest wheeled vehicle on the planet, why are there any construction rules at all? (safety excepted)
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When you are shooting to be the fastest wheeled vehicle on the planet, why are there any construction rules at all? (safety excepted)
It is probably because the governing bodies (responsible for 'World' outright speed records) have to protect themselves from the reckless, whose interpretation of "safe" may not in fact be so. At the end of the legal battle over who was responsible for the loss of a driver (or indeed rider) the lawyers on behalf of the family of that driver or rider or pilot, will point at those who facilitated and had overall control of the speed record attempt concerned. The first such mega million legal action could lead to the end of continuing governance.
As has been posted on another thread there will be aerodynamic studies required for FIA speed record contenders in 2019. [Could this come to the SCTA/BNI in future years?]
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God save us from the damned lawyers! Shakespeare was right. Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2. :x
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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http://www.rgj.com/story/life/outdoors/2018/01/18/jet-car-drivers-racing-time-attempt-land-speed-record-nevada/1022787001/
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Nevada’s Diamond Valley- Interesting; is this BLM land?
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Nevadas Diamond Valley- Interesting; is this BLM land?
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Yes
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It's 4/20! Did I miss any action? This thread is looking dusty.
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Let this fiasco Rest In Peace! They purchased a fighter jet that could go 1,400 mi/h, put wheels on it, and have promoted it for 13 years without achieving anything. Oh, wait, they claimed a non-existent "women's land speed record". The FIA does not recognize ANY records by gender, by the way. Time to put it in the garage and move on. Rosco and Richard, to name a pair, are actually attempting REAL land speed records.
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MAYOMAN, why are you so adamant about having racers give up before achieving success?
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I'm just adamant about telling the truth. For example, Project SOS lied continuously about "breaking records" using alleged IHRA and FIM timing over unknown distances, but certainly not the FIA/FIM-recognized flying start mile and kilometer. They gave land speed racing a bad name and diminished the accomplishments of REAL land speed record holders. Richard Noble and Andy Green finally got things right with the REAL Mach 1+ record. Just read the FIA rulebook and run the damned thing. Or not!
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Just reading the rule book and running the vehicle is a good way to get yourself killed. Richard Noble once
sent me an e-mail that said "Safety fast".
But talk (including "bench racing") is cheap and relatively safe. Carry on.
I mean no disrespect to you. I salute and applaud any/all your land speed records (I understand that
none of them were achieved after you "called it quits", but please correct me if I'm wrong).
I occasionally help the NAE project, and wish success for all the folks involved in the project. I hope the
NAE is the next vehicle to break the absolute land speed record. But I honestly believe that if they don't
do it soon, they never will.
I also plan to (some day) help the Aussie Invader project. And also Bloodhound.
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Tallguy
Pete Farnsworth, Ray Dausman and I read the Federation Internationale de L’Automobile (FIA) International Sporting Code, Appendix D, Regulations for Records. The FIA-recognized distances for flying start world records are I kilometer and 1 mile. These have been the FIA-recognized distances since Chasseloup-Loubat went 39.24 mi/h in 1898.
We began working on The Blue Flame land speed record project in August 1968 and, with Gary Gabelich driving, set FIA timed and certified world land speed records in the mile (622.407 mi/h) and the kilometer (630.388 mi/h or 1,014.656 km/h) in October 1970. We designed and built every nut, bolt, and rivet on the car – including the innovative LNG/H2O2 rocket motor – and set the absolute world land speed record in less than 27 months. We did this on our first-ever attempt on the Bonneville Salt Flats.
We never “called it quits”. We attempted to set the absolute world land speed record and succeeded. What have you done? Yes, talk is cheap.
We did want to return to Bonneville and attempt a supersonic record, but had lost ownership of The Blue Flame to our sponsor when we missed our contracted over-optimistic 1969 target date for the record attempt. I don’t call that “quitting”. They gave The Blue Flame to a European museum to prevent our running it again. By the way, what I have you ever done? I hear nothing!
Pete and I did return to Bonneville in 1971 with our FIM-timed Honda Hawk streamliner, driven by Jon McKibben. It went 286.556 mi/h (fastest ever motorcycle) but could not set the record with the return run due to mechanical failure. Not too shabby for our first ever motorcycle. I still haven’t heard what you have done?
Oh, and in 1972 and 1974, with two versions of the Pollution Packer rocket dragsters, driven by Dave Anderson and Vern Anderson, we set acceleration records for the ¼-mile, 500 meters, and the kilometer. What did you say you have done?
We never claimed any phony “women’s” world records. We never used phony WLSRA timing or certified for phony records. We never defamed the land speed racing community with total bullshit and fraud. That is what the North American Eagle is doing.
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Ed's Facebook page stated he is going to the desert this summer.
Or is that dessert? Strawberry Shortcake SSC Go Fast USA!
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Still wondering about all of these "women's" world land speed records? Here is the answer!
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By the way - Kitty O'Neill set the World Record for the Standing Start 1/2 kilometer at 207.739 mph. Not a "women's record", the World Record (see FIA World Speed Record attachment above). The talented and courageous Kitty was a great athlete (movie stunt person) as well as a record-setting driver. :cheers:
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Happy 4th o' July! Any good news NAE? Go Fast USA!
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The show "Speed Demons" airing on History Channel tells a whole lot about the current status of NAE speed runs.
The show is supposed to air several times until September. It is also a good show about the history of landspeed racing.
check it out!
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Worth a look! Watched it on-demand last night! :cheers:
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Speed Demons is a joke. They did a great job reviewing the world land speed record competitors from 1898 until 1965 when Breedlove went 600.601 mph. Then, they spent 5 minutes with Shadle's crew testing the mud on some dry lake. Then, they segued to Kitty O'Neil's career. Midway through that they had to briefly mention the record she wanted to break - Gary Gabelich in "a rocket-powered car" and displaying the wrong speed - TEN SECONDS! They never even mentioned the name of the car (The Blue Flame, by the way). That was it! Then on to other BS. They covered every world land speed record except The Blue Flame's 630.388 mph - the fastest ever on the Bonneville Salt Flats. Why did that happen?
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The History Channel website is also promoting CAR WEEK. Some guy impersonating a history writer, A.J. Baime, posted a page on the History Channel CAR WEEK website that, again, presented in sequence the chain of world land speed record holders. Gee, really interesting. Oops, there is one missing. The Blue Flame is the ONLY world land speed record holder not there.
Here is the link: https://www.history.com/crazy-demons-of-land-speed
Something strange is going on.
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I'm glad I missed it.
I hope it's over – did the fat lady sing?
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Louise wrote most of the "history" part of the show. They only used us as they saw fit to make a story. A lot of important things were left out and some
really good stuff like Teague vs White, Potteet, Blue Flame and others. If you've ever been a subject of one of these type shows, you would understand
what I'm talking about. Oh, by the way, we didn't one dime for our participation!
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I am certain the F-104 gang is thrilled about the publicity their project is receiving from the History Channel documentary. The documentary production was not in their hands. That 5 minutes of testing the hardness of the mud flats was a rather slow segment and looked like a time filler. That would have been a decent amount of time to cover the last American absolute world land speed record, the fastest on the Bonneville Salt Flats, and lasted 13 years before Richard Noble's turbojet broke the mile record. It was 27 years before Andy Green broke the kilometer record. Oh, that was The Blue Flame - not the anonymous "a rocket-powered vehicle" in the Speed Demons. Just saying.
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That wasn't in the lyrics when the fat lady sung?
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Louise wrote most of the "history" part of the show. They only used us as they saw fit to make a story. A lot of important things were left out and some
really good stuff like Teague vs White, Potteet, Blue Flame and others. If you've ever been a subject of one of these type shows, you would understand
what I'm talking about. Oh, by the way, we didn't one dime for our participation!
Still need to pull up the show, but here's what I know about television.
As is often the case in modern television "documentaries", the crew starts out with a pile of footage, a script, a deadline, virtually no budget and a predetermined amount of time to fill.
The crew often has little insight into the "documentary" they are producing. Land Speed Racing, the Westminster Dog Show, the Art of Quilting - doesn't matter. "Here's the footage, here are the interviews, no money to convert the 16mm print to digital, we need to fill an hour."
For the editor - the person who actually puts it together - the script is simply a guideline - it certainly isn't a road map.
Sometimes, people accuse these production companies of purposely ignoring information or having "an agenda". More often than not, they simply take the easiest path to get that hour filled.
At the end of the day, what you get is a collage of video, a smattering of interviews, an incongruent story line, and a non-cohesive program.
All that said, it occurs to me that there's a lot of footage on the Blue Flame available. Dick, did they even contact you?
To give short shrift to the Blue Flame is an unforgivable oversight on the producer's part, even if they don't know exactly what they're doing.
If it did raise awareness of the current North American Eagle program, I'd say that is a good thing.
Again, I need to watch it.
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Watch for the bit where they misidentify Nathan Ostich's car as Arfons'.
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NAE what's going on? Alvord? Jessi?
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I just saw a social media post from the team that Ed Shadle passed away early this morning. https://twitter.com/landspeed763/status/1038126415596535809
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RIP Ed, keep the dream alive NAE team. Go Fast USA!
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RIP Ed, keep the dream alive NAE team. Go Fast USA!
According to Jessi they will still be running at Alvord in the next week or two as planned.
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Sorry to hear about Ed's death. He never got to see his car run at full speed.
Is there enough money/interest with the others involved to have the car continue to run?
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A good friend of mine went to school with Ed and was close to him. He told me Ed had a partner in the the car and they will carry on with the project as planned. Hopefully they can realize Ed's vision.
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They tried again a couple weeks ago with the goal of getting Jessi to 650. Fodded the engine on the first shake down pass.
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Here's a video link of Jessi driving the car st Alvord Lake. Posted on Oct 3, 2016.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1150519524984832&id=100000803873997&_rdr
I have tried several times to post video from the lake bed of Jessi's run in the NAE, I guess the file is too big , however if you go to FB you should be able to find it under the 'Alfa Garage' page.
on another note it was a pleasure to work with the team on this endeavor , the most dedicated and friendly bunch of folks I have ever worked with !
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I am certain the F-104 gang is thrilled about the publicity their project is receiving from the History Channel documentary. The documentary production was not in their hands. That 5 minutes of testing the hardness of the mud flats was a rather slow segment and looked like a time filler. That would have been a decent amount of time to cover the last American absolute world land speed record, the fastest on the Bonneville Salt Flats, and lasted 13 years before Richard Noble's turbojet broke the mile record. It was 27 years before Andy Green broke the kilometer record. Oh, that was The Blue Flame - not the anonymous "a rocket-powered vehicle" in the Speed Demons. Just saying.
I wish to acknowledge the accomplishment of the Blue Flame team, in breaking the ALSR as promptly as they did.
I have a lot of respect for the members and capabilities of the team, and the effort and expense required. The evidence speaks for itself, regardless of drama -- which I try to avoid. This is all regardless of any personal achievements of mine.
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2018? Golly Miss Molly! Following The Blue Flame setting the absolute world land speed record at 630.388mph in 1970, I have been virtually the only entity trying to keep our historic achievement alive. Unfortunately, Gary Gabelich never signed a publicity release with Goodyear, so they dropped it shortly after we set the record. The American Gas Association sponsor was happy with the immediate international publicity and saw no value in continuing afterward - also, erroneously publicizing the 622.407mph as the absolute world record. The Reaction Dynamics team never felt the recognition they had earned. My original effort was to get the correct 630.388mph record in the publications, etcetera. The 622.407mph is even still painted on the car in the Sinsheim museum, although the correct 1,014.656kph is on the display and their literature. I produced 2 Youtube videos and wrote my memoir, Speedquest, to keep the real story alive (at our 50th anniversary). Whenever I see stories or articles with the 622mph speed I try to get corrections. The Blue Flame is still the last absolute world land speed record set by an American automobile, and on the Bonneville Salt Flats. While the 622.407mph mile record lasted 13 years (yeah!), the kilometer 630.388mph record lasted 27 years. WOW! Richard Noble's mile record in, 1983, was only 3mph faster than our absolute world landspeed record. Andy Green's first supersonic record in 1997 was fantastic. Come on, Rosco.
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2018? Golly Miss Molly! Following The Blue Flame setting the absolute world land speed record at 630.388mph in 1970, I have been virtually the only entity trying to keep our historic achievement alive. Unfortunately, Gary Gabelich never signed a publicity release with Goodyear, so they dropped it shortly after we set the record. The American Gas Association sponsor was happy with the immediate international publicity and saw no value in continuing afterward - also, erroneously publicizing the 622.407mph as the absolute world record. The Reaction Dynamics team never felt the recognition they had earned. My original effort was to get the correct 630.388mph record in the publications, etcetera. The 622.407mph is even still painted on the car in the Sinsheim museum, although the correct 1,014.656kph is on the display and their literature. I produced 2 Youtube videos and wrote my memoir, Speedquest, to keep the real story alive (at our 50th anniversary). Whenever I see stories or articles with the 622mph speed I try to get corrections. The Blue Flame is still the last absolute world land speed record set by an American automobile, and on the Bonneville Salt Flats. While the 622.407mph mile record lasted 13 years (yeah!), the kilometer 630.388mph record lasted 27 years. WOW! Richard Noble's mile record in, 1983, was only 3mph faster than our absolute world landspeed record. Andy Green's first supersonic record in 1997 was fantastic. Come on, Rosco.
Although this thread is supposed to be about the North American Eagle, that car and project are now history -- since 2019.
Certainly, mistakes were made . . . and for what it's worth, I hope some learning did result from the consequences of those
mistakes.
Since we can't change the past, I always give more attention and effort to the present and future.
I do want to (even if briefly) again acknowledge the success of the Blue Flame rocket car and its team of designers, builders,
driver, financiers, support crew, and everyone else involved in making it happen . . . especially in a relatively short period of
time. This is in major contrast to the time spans involved in some of the other more recent ALSR projects, which so far have
not even come close to setting a new absolute land speed record.
I also want to put in my two cents' worth of comment(s) regarding this idea of a "women's land speed record". Why anyone would give much thought to that "record" is beyond me. Anybody with even a tiny amount of knowledge of land speed racing knows that a race car is operated by its driver's hands and feet, and not by their reproductive/sex organs. Got it? In other words, the gender -- or even, if you want to quibble about it, the "gender identity" -- of the driver doesn't mean diddly squat to the vehicle itself or to the equipment measuring the vehicle's speed. Just like the color of their hair or skin or favorite toothbrush doesn't matter to the speed-related data.
Meanwhile, since the Blue Flame was not run at its maximum capability -- based on its design -- , the question remains: Is
the vehicle capable of breaking the existing land speed record (if brought back to perfect operating condition)? If enough people could be convinced that it is, perhaps it could be "brought out of mothballs" and run again. Or, alternately, a replacement could be built, effectively similar to the original. Perhaps with some further improvements, based on what was learned in breaking the land speed record back then. The design work and proof-of-concept demonstration runs are already done.
As we all know, Bonneville is pretty short, and getting shorter. Bolivia (technically, if not financially) seems like a more reasonable place for this kind of thing, particularly using a rocket-powered car that doesn't have to gulp local air from the place. And, of course, air at an elevation of about 12,000 feet is likely to be thinner than air at an elevation of about 4,000 feet. This part is a no-brainer, in my opinion.
I'd be interested in helping a project like this along, although my contribution of time, effort, and money would be quite limited.
I'd also love to see response(s) from anyone who was involved in creating that wonderful car. Even if it was never designed
to go 1000 mph, some runs of 800 mph could break the existing record set by Thrust SSC in 1997. A world record still
captures the imagination/hope of people, even though "records were made to be broken".
Tallguy
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The Blue Flame has been retired for 53 years. I would not think it structurally sound to be "un-retired" now.
The Blue Flame LSR project began in August 1968, was designed built, tested, and ran to the 630.388 mph record at Bonneville in October 1970. Very intense and short timeline. 2 years.
However, The Blue Flame design technology is available via the IIT students' masters theses. Also, my collected archive of the project is available for review (Richard A. Keller, III papers 1957-2011) at the University of Utah Marriott Library Special Collections. It is all there in detail, 3 boxes. It is free to review.
Check it out, then build the the new absolute world land speed record holder.
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This is the archive file at the Mariott Library.
IIT theses supporting the design of The Blue Flame should be available. Search for Desai Thesis 1970, Kurani Thesis 1969, Morel Thesis 1969, Pandey Thesis 1970, Parikh Thesis 1970, Thakur Thesis 1970, Torda & Morel DEC1971, and Uzgiris et al 1971.
Good luck building a new LSR vehicle.
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Anyone serious about reproducing The Blue Flame for an LSR attempt can contact me at dickkeller630@gmail.com.
Serious only!!!!
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The History Channel website is also promoting CAR WEEK. Some guy impersonating a history writer, A.J. Baime, posted a page on the History Channel CAR WEEK website that, again, presented in sequence the chain of world land speed record holders. Gee, really interesting. Oops, there is one missing. The Blue Flame is the ONLY world land speed record holder not there.
Here is the link: https://www.history.com/crazy-demons-of-land-speed
Something strange is going on.
I agree that it was a serious omission. In the real world, people who are not passionate about something are usually
pretty cavalier/sloppy/careless about the subject.
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Our world land speed records with The Blue Flame have been reported erroneously from the day we did it, October 23, 1970.
First, the PR hack from the American Gas Association mistakenly publicized the mile record (622.407mph), not the kilometer record (630.388mph - 1,014.656kph). Then, they moved on.
Because Gary would not sign a contract with Goodyear, they only publicized it briefly (without Gary's name), and then reverted to Craig Breedlove.
Since then, I have been a solo act with the book and Youtube film (SPEEDQUEST) trying to keep the record discussions correct.
The kilometer record was finally broken by Andy Green in 1997.