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Title: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on November 26, 2014, 10:34:35 PM
A little video done recently by Interstate Batteries.
http://youtu.be/kSIRlR7jgOk


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Peter Jack on November 27, 2014, 12:48:06 AM
That's a good promotion Ed.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 27, 2014, 08:47:06 AM
I agree with PJ, Ed.  Good work.  Now go out there and go fast -- go fast, first, on getting a few more firms to step up to offer held and promotion videos.  Best wishes for Thanksgiving -- and the whole dang holiday season. :-D :-D


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on December 05, 2014, 09:29:10 PM
A pretty good interview with Jessi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh2VTv1E43o&feature=youtu.be&a=&app=desktop


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: donpearsall on December 05, 2014, 10:52:47 PM
Those are two great videos Ed. thanks for sharing. But in the YouTube video you refer to the NAE as an "aircraft." Whaaaa? It is supposed to be a LAND speed vehicle.

Don


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on December 07, 2014, 01:23:35 PM
Yeah, I keep getting the two confused. It's an aircraft without wings. Some days I call it a car, some days it's a aircraft, other days it's a vehicle.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on December 22, 2014, 12:35:33 PM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from team NAE.



Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 22, 2014, 01:07:17 PM
And the same to you, Ed (and everyone on the team).  Nice artwork, too.  Pen on paper, ink on metal, laser on some substrate?  It looks fine.

Merry Christmas, indeed.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Bob Drury on December 22, 2014, 04:05:34 PM
  Ed, If I hit the PowerBall lotto, I intend to spend it on my Race Car, Your Race Car and pay off my VISA bill (maybe).
  Have a Merry Christmas and hope to see you pulling Cabbage Hill in August with neither one of us broke down!
                                                          "ONE Run" Bob Drury  :cheers: :cheers: :roll:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on December 22, 2014, 04:16:04 PM
And the same to you, Ed (and everyone on the team).  Nice artwork, too.  Pen on paper, ink on metal, laser on some substrate?  It looks fine.

Merry Christmas, indeed.

That would make someone a really nice tattoo!   :evil:

Merry Christmas to all.

Mike


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on December 23, 2014, 08:15:56 PM
Hey Bob, just fired up the roadster a few minutes ago. Just making sure it hasn't frozen up from sitting since August. I suppose you heard that Glen Freudenberger has cancelled the NW Bonneville reunion. Bummer! Guess I'll see most of you at Speedweek.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on April 25, 2015, 05:32:29 PM
Well it looks like Ed's secret marketing machine is at it again.  Moving the car for (not test runs) some reason.  Jessi in for yet more photo shoots.  Facebook says their first goal is to beat the (non-existing) female record.  What's really going on?  Keeping the public in the dark then asking for donations is an odd combo, but from this team I expect nothing less.  GO FAST USA!!!javascript:void(0);


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: racefanwfo on April 27, 2015, 01:58:08 AM
I do not understand why ed is making a big deal about going faster then kitty o'neal did. She did not set a record so who cares if the NAE go's faster then kitty did. The only record that ed should be going after is the record held by THRUST SSC.
I will say this if i spent all the time and money that ed has on the car I D A M N sure would not let anyone else drive it female or other wise. I know that ed is trying to get funding to run for the record but if he does not get his chance to run the car before BLOODHOUND is able to try for the record i think that the BLOODHOUND could set a record that is faster then the NAE can run. I asked ed how fast he thought the NAE could go and he said 800mph. I have a feeling that BLOODHOUND will go faster then that. I hope that i am wrong because i would like to see the ALSR come back to america. GO USA AND THE NAE.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Stainless1 on April 27, 2015, 08:55:21 AM
Publicity raises awareness.... and money.  Ed is not a deep pockets, government backed and high profile type of guy.  The only way he can afford to do this is to garner public support and some cash.  Things like that would get him onto Edwards to run on that lakebed.  A TV special covering Jessi's attempt could pay a lot of bills. 
 :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on April 28, 2015, 10:49:19 AM
Can't tell you much at this time but should be able to next week.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on May 05, 2015, 11:10:56 PM
Check out the latest news on the North American Eagle by going to the Microsoft homepage and scrolling down.  Now you know why we're in Chicago.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: tallguy on May 06, 2015, 02:11:57 AM
WOW!!  That's exciting, Ed!  I've been having a growing fear about "the other guys"
breaking the LSR before you do, and this latest news is encouraging!

(In fact, I've been awaiting your latest posting for a few days.)

I hope that the publicity generated by this Microsoft association results in a lot of
financial help for the project -- the sooner, the better!

I'm personally very poor financially these days, but will donate some $ when I can.

Your runs in September could be crucial to success, and time is certainly of the
essence. 

Thanks for the updates.

tallguy (in northern California)


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 06, 2015, 09:03:19 AM
Ed, It's been my understanding that a lack of cubic dollars has been the obsticle preventing you from running.
Other than truck loads of data points, the article made no mention of financial support. Is Microsoft injecting the capital into your project to allow you to finally go after the record or is it just technical support & public exposure?
Everybody likes to see an underdog succeed & you & Rosco are definately the underdogs in this three horse race.
  Sid.
 


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on May 06, 2015, 05:58:23 PM
Nice work getting on with Microsoft.  What happened with Lenovo?
Hopefully your test runs will all be funded well this season.
Now get the word out, or pay someone to do it for you.
Get out there and set some REAL records for once.  Go Fast USA!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on May 07, 2015, 09:36:15 AM
Hi KIWI. Besides needing to provide $38,000 to the BLM, funding has always been a problem. Inspiration has not been a problem.
If we are patient, Microsoft may be assisting us in our endevour. Lenovo provides products to help us but no revenue. And so it goes......


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 07, 2015, 04:33:16 PM
Thanks for the reply Ed. Hopefully now that you have your face in their doorway they will decide to write off a few of their tax dollars.
There's plenty of people out here wanting to see you get the opportunity to show what you can do.
Sounds like Rosco's planning a shot 2016.
  Sid.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 07, 2015, 05:42:40 PM
Considering the amount of cash that many huge multinational companies have stashed in Europe to avoid paying US tax on it -- maybe you should move the project to, say England or someplace else -- maybe even the Canary Islands or the Philipines or Russia.  Then they could give you lots of money without feeling the hit nearly so much.  Of course if they give you some funds that are stored in the US I'd expect that they could claim the donation on their US taxes - as long as you're a non-profit (legally, that is, not just in real life) :cry:  Best wishes, as always.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 08, 2015, 12:43:43 AM
It just seems a$$ backwards to me that the BLM requires $38k for somebody to be able to use public land, especially a hunk of empty desert somewhere but then I'm just a simple Kiwi lost in America. What do I know!
  Sid.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Robin UK on May 08, 2015, 03:30:42 AM
Considering the amount of cash that many huge multinational companies have stashed in Europe to avoid paying US tax on it -- maybe you should move the project to, say England or someplace else -- maybe even the Canary Islands or the Philipines or Russia.  Then they could give you lots of money without feeling the hit nearly so much.  Of course if they give you some funds that are stored in the US I'd expect that they could claim the donation on their US taxes - as long as you're a non-profit (legally, that is, not just in real life) :cry:  Best wishes, as always.

Slim - no point coming here as these news stories will testify.

◾A four-month investigation by news agency Reuters revealed that Starbucks reportedly paid just £8.6m in corporation tax in the UK over 14 years - including reporting accounting losses when it was profitable
◾ Google's UK unit paid just £6m to the Treasury in 2011 on turnover of £395m, according to the Telegraph
◾The UK's biggest online retailer Amazon generated sales of more than £3.3bn in the country last year but paid no corporation tax on any of the profits, according to the Guardian
◾ Facebook in the UK paid £238,000 in tax last year, according to its accounts, with most of the company's income believed to be legally going through its European base in Dublin, where corporation tax is lower than the UK
◾ Apple paid less than 2% corporation tax on its profits outside the US, paying $713m (£445m) on foreign pre-tax profits of $36.8bn
◾ US auction site eBay paid only £1.2m in tax in the UK, according to an investigation by the Sunday Times

How do they do it? Any way they can, usually via Liechtenstein, Bermuda, Ireland, Switzerland and other power houses of the global economy  :-D  Starbucks for instance buys all its coffee for the UK from Switzerland. Maybe the Swiss grow great coffee. On the other hand maybe it's because Starbucks set up a Swiss based import operation paying low tax there in order to sell it back to itself at a price that reduces it's profit in the UK to almost nothing.

I know you guys wonder why US based global corporates don't provide Ed with more support but the key word is "global" imo. They act globally and will do whatever it takes to maximise overall global profits, so simply appealing to national pride rarely cuts it with them. Show them a business case with numbers that support their sales and marketing plans and they'll listen. No disrespect to them, but that's tough for a team of guys that are first and foremost racers.

It's not just the outright LSR participants who struggle for funding. Even F1 is moving inexorably away from its European roots to countries where governments pick up the tab for reasons of national pride and little else. Their business model now depends on a ever shifting global TV audience rather than local punters and fans. The French GP bit the dust a few years back while Germany has gone the same way this year and there is talk of Monza under threat. Meanwhile, there will be a GP in Azerbaijan next year!!!! Could be a hot bed of international motor sport or it could be all the oil money. Mmmm, wonder which? Who'd have thought that the birthplace of motor sport and the homes of Mercedes Benz and Ferrari could be without home GPs? But as they say in business - follow the money.

I personally wish Ed and the team well whatever happens.

Robin




Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: fordboy628 on May 08, 2015, 06:05:50 AM
To get to the truth in ANY corporate or political endeavor . . . . . . . follow the money . . . . . .

 :dhorse:

F/B


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: TD on June 12, 2015, 11:37:45 AM
Interesting reading here (https://sites.google.com/site/blackrockdunes/permitappeal) regarding BLM permitting of the Black Rock Desert playa for recreational use, with references to the 1997 record attempts as well.  The site's home page provides context.



Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Dynoroom on June 12, 2015, 12:05:59 PM
Even more interesting to me was the news from the Bloodhound team NOT going to make an attempt on the record this year but instead make "test" runs in the 600-700 mph range due to problems with there rocket engine development.
The door is ajar Eagle...


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on June 12, 2015, 01:18:08 PM
They John Galt for a sponsor!  :evil:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: tallguy on July 14, 2015, 12:12:28 AM
I am having trouble finding (anywhere) the "Big Announcement" that the
North American Eagle's website said would be available early on July 13.

Anyone know where this "Big Announcement" is?  Or what it is?

I hope it's not something like "NAE is now on Kickstarter, seeking your help".

I am already donating as much as I can afford to the project.

Ed: help or clarify, please?   If the announcement hasn't yet been made,
I would understand (but don't like being teased). 

Best of luck with the project.  I'll try to get others to join the Kickstarter
effort for your team.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on July 15, 2015, 11:35:14 AM
My business partner, Keith, posted the "Big Announcement" without knowing anything of the trip to Orlando. Yes, we did spend time with the top executives of Microsoft, including the CEO, Satya. Brandyn, our IT guru, announced in front of 15,000 audiance and 200,000 streaming recipients that we are opening up a kickstarter program to raise the needed funds to run for the two records (yes, I know) Kitty O'Neil at 512 with Jessi Combs driving and me going after Richard Nobles 633 record which is the worlds fastest single engine record. We need these runs to validate our computer modeling so we know whether we can go after Thrust SSC record of 763. You would think, by now, that one or more large corporate sponsors would be interested in being the featured sponsor on our special by History Channel. Nothing yet but hoping!!!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on July 17, 2015, 02:28:53 PM
Yawn................................


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: racefanwfo on July 17, 2015, 03:54:13 PM
i just looked at the NAE kickstarter page and $2,167.00 dollars has been pledged out of the $100,000.00 dollars that they need to run.



Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 17, 2015, 06:20:24 PM
I wonder if anyone got the promised item for their donation?

Mike


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: tallguy on July 17, 2015, 09:38:59 PM
I donated some money (a while ago), and was offered a t-shirt as a reward.

I turned it down, because I don't need another t-shirt.  I wanted the money
used to help the vehicle.

I encourage all fans of this project to post publicly (as on craigslist, twitter,
facebook, etc.) to spread the word that the NAE project badly needs donations.

I have done this and will continue to do so.

(my opinion:)

If the NAE doesn't break the LSR soon, it may never (i.e., if the record rises
to 900 mph or so).


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on July 17, 2015, 10:07:20 PM
This team has a snowball's chance in hell.  Don't waste your money.
This car will never go 500 mph, and set a non existing record.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Peter Jack on July 17, 2015, 11:41:31 PM
This team has a snowball's chance in hell.  Don't waste your money.
This car will never go 500 mph, and set a non existing record.

This is a perfect example of "If you can't say something nice don't say nothing at all". Ski123, it just looks bad on you.

Pete


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on July 18, 2015, 12:45:07 AM
Well Ski, I realize you have built many cars and have been in the 200 MPH club for quite some time now. It took me 22 years to get into the club.
It has also been 16 years since I began the NAE project and invested not only lots of my own money but huge amounts of my family's time and the
efforts of many friends. Many sponsors have helped along the way and we have made 44 test runs over 11 different test sessions. Jessi's first time
out gave her a 406.6001 two way average over the measured mile. I made a run at 515 MPH and it ran perfectly. We're going after both the
non-existant record of 512 this fall with Jessi driving and I am going after the worlds fastest single engine record of 633, set by Richard Noble in
1983. That will give us the data we need to know for sure if we can go after that 763 number in the spring. Yes, we need money for operational
costs. This isn't like Bonneville where the racer shows up and the venue is already for him/her and he sets his record. We have to bring everything
that is needed from toilet paper and outhouses to fuel, tools, food, water, fire suppression, firemen and paramedics. We keep 35 team members
happy for two weeks on a desert that is 130 miles for the nearest town. If you think this is easy, please join us in September and help us rather
than put us down and criticize the effort.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: TrickyDicky on July 18, 2015, 04:04:12 AM
Jessi's first time out gave her a 406.6001 two way average over the measured mile.

Publicity at the time said 344.002 mph?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on July 18, 2015, 10:44:56 AM
They guy who posted 344 posted the results of Jessi's first attempt.  I have the actual data and it is 406. for her second attempt.  That was on a two way, over the measured mile, within 54 minutes.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 18, 2015, 10:51:07 AM
Ed, what are the dates you'll be running in September?  Not that I can promise to be there - but if things were to work out I'd be very please to show up.  Is there cellphone service where you'll be racing?  I need it - good service, not sketchy, to stream audio.  I'd give it a shot if schedules work out.  Lemme know - let us all know  If I've missed the date 'cause it was posted above already -- well, shoot.  But do it again, please, for yet another old guy's sake.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: TrickyDicky on July 18, 2015, 11:06:30 AM
They guy who posted 344 posted the results of Jessi's first attempt.  I have the actual data and it is 406. for her second attempt.  That was on a two way, over the measured mile, within 54 minutes.


Sorry to push this, but I've googled a bit and come up with this for the second attempt:

Quote
ALVORD DESERT, Oregon (October 9, 2013) – Jessi Combs has firmly established herself as the fastest woman on four wheels. Today she surpassed the existing women's land speed record with a two-way average speed of nearly 392 miles per hour through a measured mile on the dry lakebed at the Alvord Desert in southeastern Oregon. That speed beat her own 344 mph mark from yesterday, a speed that already surpassed the previous record of 308 mph set in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former world land speed record holder Craig Breedlove.

At one point during her run, Jessi reached a top speed of 440.709 mph. "That felt so unbelievably good," exclaimed Combs when told of her new record. "I knew that one was really, really fast."

Combs made two runs today in the Eagle. The rules require that a driver make two passes across a measured course, once in each direction, with the second pass completed within 60 minutes of the first. Officials then average the two speeds. On her first run, she passed through the measured mile at 354.931 mph, exiting the mile at 2:25 pm. But she was not entirely pleased with that first pass. "The car ran great, but I kept getting pulled into the ruts from yesterday's runs," she said.

After coming to a stop at the south end of the lakebed, the team turned and serviced the Eagle so that Jessi could re-fire the jet engine to make her return run. At 3:15 pm, she re-entered the measured mile and recorded a speed of 430.978 mph, for a two-way average of 392.954 mph.

Just trying to understand when she did the 406 average.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on July 18, 2015, 01:41:42 PM
I'll stand by my comments any day.  NAE/Ed you sound like a broken record.  We need more money, we need more money.  No, you need to stop, take a step back and look at the whole way you go about things.  I'm sure you will reply with the same old, we try real hard, we raced fast along time ago, we spend a lot of time, and we have no money.  You have also shot down many good ideas, but that just shows your lack of vision.  I wish you luck not killing anyone or yourself.  Only 44 test runs in 16 years?  Your data seems bogus as well, it seems to change as needed as well, very fishy.  I am only looking out for others who think giving you more money is a good idea.  It's not.  How fast have I gone?  How many cars have I built?  Who's ALSR team have I helped?  How much time have I spent at Bonneville, Black Rock, Alvord, quite a bit my family would say.  Don't say I have never helped, my input is usually shot down with vengeance.  I don't have any confidence in your team or car.  Jessi, well that's a whole different ball of wax.  She barely gave you any time on her social media last fundraising go around.  She could have helped a bit more if she really wanted to.  If you ask the right people you will get everything you will ever need to make this happen.  I believe you guys are so short sighted, you can't see the trees through the forest.  But you can't accept the help you really need, it is truly sad to see so much effort just being flushed down the toilet(porta pottie).  So now you have dug up another record nobody cares about to try to match.  Sounds desperate to me.  I do support a ALSR team of my choice, my money and time is spent well and I feel good about it.  Our country is the best ever and should always be on top,  we are free to speak our mind and do as we please.  Thanks for all who helped make it this way.  NAE please don't be the Donald Trump of the ALSR world. Go Fast USA!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: thundersalt on July 18, 2015, 05:30:48 PM
"...we are free to speak our mind and do what we please"
Ok, how bout this....
Ski123, who the F.U.C.K are you? You have nothing constructive to contribute to LR.com. The only time you post is to bust Ed's balls. I, for one, am tired of it. Perhaps you should move on. You almost act like a internet troll.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Glen on July 18, 2015, 05:54:24 PM
Brian, Ski has a run away mouth. But we can keep pissing him off so he can run his mouth. Hey Give  Celia a hug for me.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: thundersalt on July 18, 2015, 06:01:41 PM
Brian, Ski has a run away mouth. But we can keep pissing him off so he can run his mouth. Hey Give  Celia a hug for me.

:cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: fredvance on July 18, 2015, 06:45:47 PM
Brian, thanks for saying what I was thinking.  :dhorse:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on July 18, 2015, 08:07:28 PM
Hey SSS, our permit is for Sept 20 to Oct 3. Cell phone service is spotty but if you hit it right, it does work. As for the Ski character, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one, it just that some stink! He should apply for British citizenship and join the Bloodhound team. He'll probably criticize them too. Maybe a better choice is to start criticizing Rosco, down under.
Rosco would probably hunt him down and stuff his computer up his behind.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 18, 2015, 08:09:03 PM
Okay, girls and boys.  Let's get back to trying to further the goals of each and everyone one of us - as far as land speed racing goes.  Constructive criticism is good -- constructive help is even better.

And being contrary for no apparent reason -- doesn't belong here more than once in a while - and then for good reason.  I'm watching, too. :-)


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 18, 2015, 08:13:42 PM
Thanks, Ed.  I need a fairly good signal to stream anything - so maybe I'll dig around on the various cellular providers coverage maps to see if there's any way I can be confident of finding some service.  The dates are fine - between the Shootout and WF.  Maybe, Ed, just maybe -- I'll be able to be there.  I'd enjoy it.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on July 19, 2015, 12:47:21 AM
I should put you in touch with our data aquisition and communications guys. They might have an answer for you.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: tallguy on July 19, 2015, 01:54:11 AM
I met Ed Shadle about 2009 at the Redding Air Show in northern California.

He was very nice, and posed with me for a picture.

I wish success to him and the rest of the NAE team.

After reading the posts by ski123, I accelerated my efforts to help the NAE
project.  This includes a kickstarter pledge I made today.  By the way, the
total pledge amount (so far) has significantly increased in the last 24 hours,
in case anybody is interested in following the progress of this.

I'm not rich, but in order to help the NAE project raise money, I post in various
places to encourage others to also donate.  One of the places I post is craigslist
(in various cities across the country).

Today I posted in several large cities, encouraging anyone to help (financially).

Good luck, NAE!

tallguy 


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: racefanwfo on July 19, 2015, 07:47:02 PM
Total pledged so far is $7,267.00 dollars. I also want to see the NAE bring the record back to the USA. I think that if ED does not get the testing done soon and runs for the record either BLOODHOUND or AUSSIE INVADER are going to set the bar too high for the NAE to reach. I asked ED once how fast he thought NAE could run and he said 800MPH but not without some mods. KICK AZZ ED.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on July 19, 2015, 08:36:56 PM
The problem with Kickstarter is setting the bar to high, which we did. Yes, setting the records and all the cost surrounding it will be close to $100,000 but we can probably scrape by for less than that. If we don't hit the $100,000, it all goes back to the doners and you get nothing at all. When we went to Orlando last week for the Microsoft World Partnership Conference and were invited to participate in the keynote with Satya (CEO of Microsoft) and spent time rubbing elbows with the exec's of Microsoft we felt confident they would step up in some way more than software products. Announcing the Kickstarter in front of 15,000 people in the audience plus video streaming to over 200,000 worldwide should have spurred some donations. Well, it hasn't produced the donations we were hoping for. If we can't get a sponsor who wants to have their company featured on the History Channel documentary that will be produced, then I guess we'll just scrape money together the best way we can. Trouble is, no money, no certified timing from Mike Cook and company. Then what?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 19, 2015, 10:14:31 PM
What do you mean "THEN WHAT"! This is your show Ed! We're just waiting to see you get it done or at least take a real shot at it before it's too late. 
How did you figure this was going to go when you started out, did you have a plan, did you expect to pick up some big sponsors or what?
  Sid.
 
 


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: wobblywalrus on July 19, 2015, 10:39:12 PM
Is there a link to a PayPal site somewhere for donating?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on July 19, 2015, 11:11:14 PM
Go to our website, www.landspeed.com and the donate button is on the front page.

The other question about how this started out and all.............Well, it is a long story but the short version is: I had the idea back when the Brit's ran 763 that I could take
a mach two fighter which has the correct inlet design for supersonic speeds and use that platfom as the basis for the project. From my experience in the Air Force, I knew
the F-104 would be the best candidate because it is small and very fast. I had met with some higher-ups at Edwards AFB and told them about my idea. They loved it and
we entered into a Cooperative Research and Development agreement where they would provide surplus F-104 parts from their scrap yard and provide engineering support.
The plan was also to conduct a majority of the work and all speed runs at Edwards AFB. There is 11 miles end to end and a very nice surface. Those of us who ran at the
Muroc Reunion found the lakebed to be perfect for the project. A local fellow in Oregon who had been trying to get the surplus parts found I had gotten them via the CRDA
and it pissed him off royally. He contacted the GSA and the Air Force and claimed that I did not have a land speed project and that I was really selling the parts to middle
east countries. Soon the men in black suits were in my front yard. I had already purchased the F-104 I have, from a scrap yard in Maine and I own it free and clear. After
several visits and various events (Marlo can tell you how that works) I had to get an attorney. I eventually found myself at the US Attorney Generals office where they
did the hot lamp over my head deal for another 2 hours. They found that I never sold, traded or otherwise did anything unscrupulous with the parts. I wasn't charged and
they even wrote me a letter stating that I was debarred but that it was only a formality and that it was all a big mistake. Meanwhile GSA took all the parts back and put them
up for bid. They guy in Oregon has most of those parts now. The CRDA was also cancelled and I was left with a scrapped out F-104 and a vision. I guess it is my nature
to be stubborn so I said to myself, to hell with them! I'm going to figure out a way to do it anyway. I surrounded myself with others that share the vision and began
the project to attempt to break the world land speed record. And that's the way it was!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: wobblywalrus on July 19, 2015, 11:48:11 PM
Thanks, Ed.  Somehow I did not see it.  A guy told me I had absolutely no chance of any success on my Triumph.  It gave me some extra motivation and he was wrong.  Do not let anyone discourage you.  You do not need to defend yourself, either.     

 


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 20, 2015, 12:04:11 AM
Thanks for that Ed. Lack of information is never good & that reply helps the rest of us out here to better understand the situation you have.
The loss of technical support & venue must have been a huge blow.
Have you talked to Rosco to compare campaign notes? He's not afraid to have a chat & you are both the underdog brother's here.
  Sid. 


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on July 20, 2015, 10:29:45 AM
Yes, Rosco and communicate back and forth quite often. We face very similar issues of technology, government, lack of sponsorship dollars, etc.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: tallguy on August 12, 2015, 10:11:17 PM
I made another donation today, after learning that the recent Kickstarter
crowdfunding effort had failed to reach its goal.

Yeah, I'm boasting.  And I would be pleased to see boasting by additional
donors who want to see America once again hold the absolute land speed record.

I'm gonna post again to craigslist, in an effort to get more support for this project.

Good luck, North American Eagle!

tallguy (in northern California)


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on September 01, 2015, 05:44:09 PM
What now, untimed runs?  Got guestimates?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: joea on September 25, 2015, 11:24:11 AM
they have been out on lake Alvord this week, hoping some news leaks out, or is
presented by the PR team...


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on September 25, 2015, 03:52:16 PM
If you are on Facebook or know someone who is,
Jessi Combs has posted a few updates and a
couple of pictures.  Looks like all is going well.
I wonder once again about the cloak of secrecy.
Jessi can post and communicate but the NAE team
either cannot or will not.  What's to hide?
Good luck Go Fast!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: woz on September 26, 2015, 05:44:56 AM
Just checked the NAE Facebook page:

"The North American Eagle team ran into some technical difficulties, and unfortunately is heading back early.  We will share more details in the coming days".

BUMMER


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 26, 2015, 09:06:51 AM
Major bummer, indeed.  I had given serious thought to going to Alvord to stream some audio for this website - but decided not to since there'd be so much "dead time" between stuff worth sending down the stream.  In retrospect -- geez, I'm glad I guessed that I should stay home.  Too bad for Pork Pie, though -- I know he was going out there.  Maybe he's in Wilmington today/tomorrow and will get to see some racing, at least.

Best wishes anyway to the N A E team.  Nobody can go fast without at least trying. . . and the team has certainly done that.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: joea on September 26, 2015, 09:54:44 AM
PP not going to Alvord or Wilmington...

Definite bummer for NAE

sounds like the course conditions were fantastic

I know the team had high hopes, driver Jessie Combs posted pics
and reports on FB:

""Civilization.... ‪#‎adios‬! Off to make some world records and history and stuff."" ‪


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on September 28, 2015, 01:14:57 AM
This is just a preliminary post about the week of test runs at Alvord. We unloaded and set up on Monday/Tuesday with first runs scheduled for Wednesday. The weather was beautiful and the track was really good with 8 miles of nice dirt. On Wednesday we made three runs but the first two showed a gremlin we had not seen since 2012. If you remember, we made several straight and true runs in 2013 with one run at 515. Jessi set a new record that year of 406.6001 and we were really hyped about running the next year. Just like Bonneville, the track conditions in 2014 were so bad we couldn't run so we had to wait another year. This year we were fully expecting some records to be picked off but it wasn't meant to be. The hydraulic system and most probably the hydraulic pump, periodically would not produce enough pressure to to even actuate our lifting mechanism, let alone run the steering cylinders. We worked feverishly to solve the problem and Wednesday afternoon I ordered a new steering valve and had it UPSed overnight to Burns where two of our guys drove the 260 mile round trip to get it back so we could replace it. At the time we didn't think our pump was the problem so we were concentrating on the valve. After spending all that effort the valve was the wrong one so we were unable to use it. We reassembled everything in a howling wind/dirt storm and by late on Thursday we pulled to the mile 0 to make another attempt at a run. All day the wind was blowing but it settled for a little bit. I had made three runs previously with the best one at about 300 MPH so this time we put Jessi in the cockpit so she could get some seat time. She blasted off the line like she was going for the record right then! Unfortunately, the same failure occured and she had to abort the run. By then it was late Thursday so we decided it was time to shut down for the evening. On Friday we worked on the problem all day but had no solution plus doing a major teardown in the field was out of the question. I made the difficult decision to call the event. We spent Friday evening and Saturday morning packing and we all headed home. Other than the steering issue, everything worked exceedingly well. On Monday morning I'll be on the phone with Eaton Engineering to talk about the valve and pump problems and get this fixed once and for all. I'm working a reschedue of the speed runs as soon as possible so we can get the job done and set our date to run for the absolute record. Many of you have been down this road so you know how my team and I feel about it. Yes, we're frustrated and disappointed but not disallusioned. We'll be back soon!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Ron Gibson on September 28, 2015, 01:23:31 AM
Thanks for the update, Ed. Sorry for your problems. At least it wasn't anything serious.

Ron


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: JulesT on September 30, 2015, 05:29:52 PM
Thanks for the update Ed.

JT


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on October 14, 2015, 04:26:53 PM
Godzilla El Nino will flood Diamond Valley till June 2016.
Thank you for the drought relief, California needs it.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: tallguy on October 20, 2015, 10:52:23 PM
We can use rain, of course.  I hope we get a decent amount of it.

That said, I take all weather forecasts with a grain of salt . . .
and I take any weather forecasts that go 7 months (or so) into the
future with MORE than a grain of salt.

I'm rooting for the NAE team, and helping them.

I'm not just sitting at my computer, trying to stir up arguments.

Next spring, I expect to be watching the NAE go faster than ever.

This team could sure use some financial contributions.  I have made
a few of these, and plan to make some more.

That is all (for now).



Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: tallguy on January 11, 2016, 12:13:08 AM
I was curious about the acceleration capability of the Lockheed F-104
aircraft, from which the North American Eagle is built. 

Today I found this article, which quite impressed me. 

http://www.pacificaviationmuseum.org/pearl-harbor-blog/lockheed-f-104-starfighter

Good luck, NAE team!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on January 11, 2016, 01:47:22 PM
Really good article.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on March 24, 2016, 02:47:48 PM
Check out chapter 1 or our 6 part series about the North American Eagle. www.fromspeedtosound.com.
We'll release one chapter per week over the next six weeks.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on March 24, 2016, 04:43:38 PM
When you open speedtosound, you have to click on "the story" then when the first chapter begins, you have to click on the photo. For some reason, our IT guy
chose to do it that way. I guess that's the way they do that!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 24, 2016, 07:38:59 PM
That is a nice website.  The photos are well composed.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on March 29, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
www.fromspeedtosound.com,  Chapter 2 is online now.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on March 30, 2016, 08:39:53 PM
Is Jessi still involved with the NAE project?
I was wondering because she hasn't posted
anything on her Facebook page about your
new web site rollout.  She has almost 315K
likes, surely her popularity would be an asset
to your program.  Just wondering, go fast!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on April 05, 2016, 11:25:27 AM
Jessi is still involved. She will be flying up for our engine/system checkout at the end of the month. She is going to start ramping up her media stuff so we can get more exposure and hopefully get some revenue generated. I have to raise a quick $25,000 to give to the BLM in order to move ahead with obtaining the needed permit to run at a lakebed in Nevada.

The latest chapter on the "behind the story of the NAE" has been posted. Here is the link to it......http://www.fromspeedtosound.com/story/trials-and-tribulations/


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on April 12, 2016, 12:28:22 PM
Part 4 of the story behind the NAE is up at www.fromspeedtosound.com.




Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on April 19, 2016, 10:52:06 AM
Part 5 of the NAE is up. This one is written about Jessi Combs. Click on the small thumbnail and watch a run by Jessi. http://www.fromspeedtosound.com/story/new-reason-to-race/


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: J79 on May 02, 2016, 02:12:51 PM
Part 5 of the NAE is up. This one is written about Jessi Combs. Click on the small thumbnail and watch a run by Jessi. http://www.fromspeedtosound.com/story/new-reason-to-race/

What is the plan for the year 2016?



Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on May 04, 2016, 12:28:19 PM
On April 23rd we did a full function test of the engine and systems, including our data aquisition and radio communications and everything checked out with an A+.
I've been working very hard to get a permit (NEPA) to utilize the Diamond Valley lakebed in Nevada but to get the permit I still have a great deal of baseline environmental
data to provide to the BLM plus $25,000. If I can get that permit approved, that would open the DV to all of us other racers that want to utilize it for land speed runs.
So far, I can't get the support of any of the other racers that want to run toward the 500 mark. It seems a little short sighted to me as it can benefit all of us if we can
get the approval but so far I'm going it alone. I've also been looking at some other venues but none of them offer the distance and smooth surface that is available at DV.

The Eagle is ready to make some 600+ runs now and all we need is a track. Bonneville is just to thin and Black Rock is to rough. We're ready but our government isn't
giving us any help at all. Still looking!!!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Malcolm UK on May 06, 2016, 07:22:32 AM
So far, I can't get the support of any of the other racers that want to run toward the 500 mark. It seems a little short sighted to me as it can benefit all of us if we can get the approval but so far I'm going it alone.

Ed - Richard Brown, Jet Reaction builder/rider) from the UK will be sending a personal mail to you - watch out for it - regarding track sharing etc.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on May 06, 2016, 10:58:54 PM
OK, waiting for it.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Eddieschopshop on May 07, 2016, 10:16:09 AM
Ed,  What is the condition and length of Diamond Valley look like?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on June 13, 2016, 09:24:59 AM
Some recent news from Microsoft and North American Eagle.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/pegasus-mission-goes-supersonic-nae-matt-long


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 13, 2016, 09:34:13 AM
Great sounding news, Ed.  I hope the project reaps some big rewards - $$ among them -- from this hookup with MS.  I look forward to watching the program develop further.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on June 13, 2016, 01:05:57 PM
Bump!


Nice work getting on with Microsoft.  What happened with Lenovo?
Hopefully your test runs will all be funded well this season.
Now get the word out, or pay someone to do it for you.
Get out there and set some REAL records for once.  Go Fast USA!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on June 22, 2016, 10:14:54 PM
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Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on August 28, 2016, 11:50:28 AM
It's almost Sept.  Burners are in Reno.
It must be time for the NAE team to go?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on September 13, 2016, 08:05:36 PM
Mid September
Things are heating up, right?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on September 23, 2016, 08:26:19 AM
According to Jessie's recent posts on Facebook, they are running next week. No mention of where...


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Doc B. on September 26, 2016, 03:28:27 PM
Alvord Desert. They are out there getting ready to run. We stopped by the Alvord Desert on the way home from BMST. Very interesting place, in the middle of nowhere.

https://www.landspeed.com/stories/journey-series/the-road-to-2016-part-1/ (https://www.landspeed.com/stories/journey-series/the-road-to-2016-part-1/)


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 26, 2016, 03:50:56 PM
Cool :cheers: 

Be sure to follow the pegasusmission.com links.

Mike



Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Doc B. on September 26, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
Live broadcast of a shakedown run at 6 pm PT from the Pegasus site. Broadcast starts at 5:30.

I guess they aren't interested in the debate...


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 26, 2016, 07:25:40 PM
I'm signed up for text alerts, and if I can manage to squeak in a few seconds here and there -- might try to post on the Forum if somebody isn't already doing it.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Doc B. on September 26, 2016, 07:40:54 PM
Woo hoo! Telemetry just came online.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Doc B. on September 26, 2016, 10:00:30 PM
Could see on the telemetry stream that the car was being towed, but apparently a technical glitch forced them to cancel the test run.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 27, 2016, 02:33:17 PM
Hey there, girls and boys -- The North American Eagle is up on the Alvord Desert now - and we've got a fly (?!) in the dust to send back stuff if there's much to send back. Stay tuned.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on September 27, 2016, 03:03:08 PM
Our German friend is also on hand. Maybe some of us will get some photos. :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Doc B. on September 27, 2016, 03:32:03 PM
Their base camp -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEOv5wKDYK4


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: TrickyDicky on September 28, 2016, 06:51:08 AM
Any word on what the plans are for this week?

Who's driving?

How many wheels fitted (previously there has been talk of running with 3 wheels for FIM and 5 for FIA)?

Any official timers there, or are they self-timing with GPS?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: salt27 on September 28, 2016, 08:01:39 AM
I know last year they used U.S.F.R.A. timing equipment.

  Don


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 28, 2016, 12:09:40 PM
WoW!  I just got one heck of a story from Ed Shadle.  Jim Halladay has been staying in touch with me and told me of a farkle last night -- and now Ed's given me the scoop. Ready for this?

The car needed a hydraulic part (steering stuff)that was in the shop back in Stanaway.  Favors were called in and a guy flew from his home base to Stanaway to get the part.  Departed there around 7 pm ETA Alvord around 10.  Now comes the fun:

The pilot's cellphone didn't get the text that gave the Eagle team's GPS coordinates - and pilot error compounded into him landing at Alvord LAKE -- about 10 miles south of Eagle.  Ed described the landing area as one that shouldn't have been used for landing.  Result:  one wadded up airplane, one pilot sitting there when the crew arrived a few hours later.  Pilot was holding - a bag of parts!  Delivery made, pilot safe and sound.

So the parts are now installed on the car and the crew hopes to make some smoke and noise in a while.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: joea on September 28, 2016, 12:17:58 PM
sounds like smoke and noise has already been accomplished...

here is to achieving some "SPEED"...


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Doc B. on September 28, 2016, 01:24:37 PM
Yeow! The Alvord is so middle of nowhere that pilots land on the highway and pull up to the gas pump at the Fields shake shack/gas station to refuel. Hope the pilot doesn't have too much trouble getting his plane out of there. Maybe they can load it in a trailer and get it home. I hear the NAE crew is pretty experienced at cutting the wings off if necessary.

(http://icons-ak.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/g/GumpAir/51-awesome.jpg)

Oh, and just to pick a nit - it's Spanaway with a p.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 28, 2016, 02:29:45 PM
Well, if that's the way you feel about it -- tiss on you! :evil:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Doc B. on September 28, 2016, 02:47:57 PM
It's nothing tersonal.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 28, 2016, 02:54:57 PM
And that line of reasoning brings back my mom's teaching of pronunciation -- she'd say things like "Remember that the "p" in pnuemonia is silent, as in swimming."

Oh, Mom, I'll remember the important stuff forever. . . :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: JulesT on September 28, 2016, 04:17:41 PM
Good to see some updates. The Facebook and Twitter posts have been a little ambiguous!

It sounds like one of those; anything that can go wrong will go wrong situations. Stay safe out there gang!

JT


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 28, 2016, 04:35:14 PM
Not everything.  Jim is very complimentary to Ed's culinary hospitality.  I wonder, though -- was it really a 20-gallon barrel of chili last night? :? :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Doc B. on September 28, 2016, 08:18:57 PM
Posted on the NAE facebook page about half an hour ago:

Quote
After some difficulties on previous runs with steering, the North American Eagle has completed it's first full shakedown (not full speed) run, reaching over 360mph. With that out of the way, it's now time to turn our heads towards topping two different records!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: gkabbt on September 28, 2016, 08:37:20 PM

And I just got a voicemail from Jim (Texican) Halladay saying that the run was spectacular!!!!!

Tomorrow, the BIG stuff!

Gregg


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: TrickyDicky on September 29, 2016, 06:22:01 AM
Posted on the NAE facebook page about half an hour ago:

Quote
... With that out of the way, it's now time to turn our heads towards topping two different records!

Do we know which two records they might be?

And who are the current record holders?

 :evil: :dhorse: :evil: :dhorse: :evil:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on September 29, 2016, 08:13:10 AM
Posted on the NAE facebook page about half an hour ago:

Quote
... With that out of the way, it's now time to turn our heads towards topping two different records!

Do we know which two records they might be?

And who are the current record holders?

 :evil: :dhorse: :evil: :dhorse: :evil:


The unofficial women's speed record and the unofficial single engine record.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MAYOMAN on September 29, 2016, 09:24:55 AM
HUH? An "unofficial record" is NO RECORD at all!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 29, 2016, 09:30:14 AM
No, no, -- not that discussion again!  :dhorse:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: TrickyDicky on September 29, 2016, 11:10:44 AM
...

The unofficial women's speed record and the unofficial single engine record.

Is that the unofficial mile or the unofficial kilometre?

Do you have to run two ways to set an unofficial record?

How can you be sure of the current unofficial record you have to beat?

I'm sure that horse moved: keep on flogging ...

 :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Doc B. on September 29, 2016, 12:46:43 PM
Looks like they are getting ready for a run. Jesse Combs is driving.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: tortoise on September 29, 2016, 01:17:18 PM
HUH? An "unofficial record" is NO RECORD at all!
Jessi Combs' OFFICIAL website says she's the women's land speed record holder. So there!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on September 29, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
...

The unofficial women's speed record and the unofficial single engine record.

Is that the unofficial mile or the unofficial kilometre?

Do you have to run two ways to set an unofficial record?

How can you be sure of the current unofficial record you have to beat?

I'm sure that horse moved: keep on flogging ...

 :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse:

Metric mile measured up hill both ways. Unofficially.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Malcolm UK on September 29, 2016, 02:00:19 PM
All speeds achieved will be official in the eyes of the WLSRA.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: TrickyDicky on September 29, 2016, 02:06:02 PM
HUH? An "unofficial record" is NO RECORD at all!
Jessi Combs' OFFICIAL website says she's the women's land speed record holder. So there!

That's the FIA version. They are shooting for the FIM record this week (maybe).


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Malcolm UK on September 29, 2016, 02:14:15 PM
HUH? An "unofficial record" is NO RECORD at all!
Jessi Combs' OFFICIAL website says she's the women's land speed record holder. So there!

That's the FIA version. They are shooting for the FIM record this week (maybe).


The governing body the FIA told Ed that they did not recognise any gender record when the last clain was made and I doubt that the FIM will take an interest in a five wheeled single engine jet car. The FIM has no female record or indeed rocket record of 512mph in their listing. A motorcycle speed record timer did record the efforts of Kitty O'Neil with the three wheel SMI Motivator. [If I ever bet my money, it would be on the WLSRA to sanction any speeds set this week].


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Robin UK on September 29, 2016, 02:33:56 PM
Welsh Land Speed Record Association?  :-D Seriously, if they just did what Valerie and Eva did by trying to beat an existing record without having to resort to creating your own governing body you could give them some respect. They've been at this for years (pre ThrustSSC if you count their first car) but all the respect I had for their determination went out of the window when they decided to make up their own rules. If we're all wrong and they are aiming for an official FIA or FIM record with all that that implies, then good for them.
Robin


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: TrickyDicky on September 29, 2016, 02:34:13 PM
Looks like they are getting ready for a run. Jesse Combs is driving.

I've got to the live telemetry web site but not seeing any numbers.  Anyone know if they are transmitting today?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MAYOMAN on September 29, 2016, 02:45:58 PM
There is a silent video showing the vehicle running today(?).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgvvBrvysw4&feature=youtu.be

Apparently, a drone camera flying over head.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Malcolm UK on September 29, 2016, 03:28:47 PM
The silent footage shows a wonderful desert area on which to run. Does anyone know the actual length/distance that NAE has available this year?

More questions:

Without any course marking visible how do you FOD the likely track? Is this a desert that does not attract or hold any material from the past which could be a problem for a fast moving vehicle?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: joea on September 29, 2016, 04:25:24 PM
many others stick an outrigger ...aka "sidecar" on the vehicle to
get records...

maybe its a car (4 wheel) with a sidecar (5th wheel) ...?...

im not sure, I hope they go fast...

they have a new telecommunications company on board and on site...im
hoping they get the telemetry and video telecommunications ironed out so
we can fully appreciate whats occurring....

they have invited a "global" audience and have a global telecom company on board, but folks reporting not getting info...etc

I signed up for updates

to date 0 ....



Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on September 29, 2016, 04:38:38 PM
many others stick an outrigger ...aka "sidecar" on the vehicle to
get records...

maybe its a car (4 wheel) with a sidecar (5th wheel) ...?...

im not sure, I hope they go fast...

they have a new telecommunications company on board and on site...im
hoping they get the telemetry and video telecommunications ironed out so
we can fully appreciate whats occurring....

they have invited a "global" audience and have a global telecom company on board, but folks reporting not getting info...etc

I signed up for updates

to date 0 ....



The plan was to tun it on three wheels for FIM, and five for FIA.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on September 29, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
Looks like they are getting ready for a run. Jesse Combs is driving.

I've got to the live telemetry web site but not seeing any numbers.  Anyone know if they are transmitting today?


It never seems to work right. I looked at it earlier and it showed they were doing 478mph for about 45 minutes....


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on September 29, 2016, 04:41:14 PM
The silent footage shows a wonderful desert area on which to run. Does anyone know the actual length/distance that NAE has available this year?

More questions:

Without any course marking visible how do you FOD the likely track? Is this a desert that does not attract or hold any material from the past which could be a problem for a fast moving vehicle?

I believe they said they have 10.5 miles of really good surface to work with.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 29, 2016, 05:11:44 PM
Check the telemetry company's blog here: https://pegasusmission.com/ (https://pegasusmission.com/)

Mike


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Malcolm UK on September 30, 2016, 10:02:16 AM
I believe they said they have 10.5 miles of really good surface to work with.

That information is useful since the news was released by Jessi that she got to the edge of the desert.

It is interesting and confusing that the facebook photo she has posted shows three clear wheel tracks, suggesting they have indeed got the vehicle to be the same as SMI Motivator for her. The middle track seems to have been carrying more load as she braked hard!

The confusion is that the FIM do not list the attempt, so has it been notified to them? www.fim-live.com/worldspeedrecords

The FIA have only ever differentiated between jet engine(s) and rocket engine(s), so even with one power unit to set a record NAE would have to beat Thrust SSC at 763+ mph, or do they?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on September 30, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
I believe they said they have 10.5 miles of really good surface to work with.

That information is useful since the news was released by Jessi that she got to the edge of the desert.

It is interesting and confusing that the facebook photo she has posted shows three clear wheel tracks, suggesting they have indeed got the vehicle to be the same as SMI Motivator for her. The middle track seems to have been carrying more load as she braked hard!

The confusion is that the FIM do not list the attempt, so has it been notified to them? www.fim-live.com/worldspeedrecords

The FIA have only ever differentiated between jet engine(s) and rocket engine(s), so even with one power unit to set a record NAE would have to beat Thrust SSC at 763+ mph, or do they?

I think she went off the side of the course to the edge of the rough stuff down the sides, not to far end in a straight line. I think the single engine "record" the are talking about would be trying to go faster than Thrust 2's 633 mph record speed.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: joea on September 30, 2016, 12:00:54 PM
does anyone know the speeds achieved...?...

I wasnt staring at screen all day to see if and when the telemetry might
come up...and havent received any of the updates after signing up for them...

Jessi Combs FB says "faster then she has ever gone"...

which is awesome...

just a mystery as to the actual speed'

they broadcasting "globally" in real time ...?....so hoping someone
caught it....as I havent seen any announcement of a number,
just "faster then ever"





Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: racefanwfo on September 30, 2016, 12:55:28 PM
What in the hell is the NAE team doing other then not trying to break the record that THRUST SSC set in 97. Yo ed its time to push the throttle forward and get the car going towards record speed.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: joea on September 30, 2016, 01:16:00 PM
They indicated they are currently shooting to get Jessi faster than the Kitty Oneils speed from 1976...

then  for the Brits speeds from 1983 ....

on their way in future to the Brits speeds from 97 ..


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on September 30, 2016, 03:46:55 PM
Looks like the project is done.  Jessi was off track but stayed out of the bush.
Packing up the car, no speeds given ( nothing new ).  All according to
NAE and Jessi's Facebook pages.  Back to the drawing board?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on September 30, 2016, 04:22:53 PM
Saw this on Instagram from one of the crew members:

"A moment of silence is needed as being apart of the #northamericaneagle family for 7 years and bringing @thejessicombs to the family to become the #fastestfemale we have had the worst luck this year in history of the #jetcar as we had a #mayday call and #searchandrescue for a crashed plane that was bringing us parts with an ET. Of landing at 11:30 and lost communication when he was 20 min out we then find him at 3:30am in his plan with out a scratch on him and a wrecked plane. Jessi then kept her trust with us got the car figured out with a low speed pass and car working good Jessi then runs a faster then she has ever been bringing the car to a stop in the bushes as safety goes when one safety equipment fails never give up and trust the rest that u have and drive the car to the best of the ability to save ur self. A few big major parts the car need to be re designed and tested before the car is ever to run again so a scare like this is never an option or a chance."


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 30, 2016, 04:29:43 PM
https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmericanEagle (https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmericanEagle)

"By the time I realized I was closer to the timing van than in between the timing lights where I should have been, I aborted mission..."

Mike


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: racefanwfo on September 30, 2016, 04:48:02 PM
I am glad that the only damage was to the car. So where does that leave the team. I hate to say it but i think that the NAE is done. I am sure that the BLOODHOUND team is going to put the record out of reach before the NAE runs again. It seems like all the hard work that went into the car is all for naught. It would have been cool to see the NAE go supersonic.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Malcolm UK on October 01, 2016, 03:15:10 AM
Some might (cruelly :?) suggest that a single engined jet car could not have taken on Thrust SSC. They still have the two goals of the project which were listed above - a female record and a single jet speed record - to attain. And perhaps they have a year in which to return to Alvord.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 01, 2016, 09:10:40 AM
Congratulations, Ed and crew.  You had a dream, built a vehicle, brought it through the testing phase, and made a serious run for a record.  Plus, you did it on a course that was mostly your own work to make viable...and in a jet plane without wings on a hot-rodder's budget.  That is a heck of a big accomplishment.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Texican on October 01, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
    We were sitting in the U-Haul that housed the timing equip.

My guess was "about 450".
Data showed about that at time of cutoff.

Later while checking wires prior to rewinding; and measuring from the tracks left; I paced off 100 yards to West of 1st set of lights, then 231 yards due East of our perch at passage.
Pretty impressive at less than 700'!

  Ed is promising a large press release on Monday.
Stay tuned
Jim.





'





Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: racefanwfo on October 03, 2016, 12:22:13 PM
Well eds update today was a little disappointing. All he talked about was how they where not able to break the two non existentence records that they keep harping about. Ed did not say anything about any damage to the car on the last run. There was no info about how long it will be before the car runs again. I still think that BLOODHOUND SSC is going put the record out of reach before the NAE ever runs again. I was  not impressed with eds post today. Time is short ed BLOODHOUND is comming.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on October 03, 2016, 01:08:55 PM
http://www.geekwire.com/2016/jet-powered-car-streams-data-microsoft-team-world-speed-record-attempts/

I didn't write the update or the press release. It was done by the media people at Microsoft with input from our IT kid who wasn't at the session. The real story is much bigger and has more technical detail in it. When I get it finished up in a document form, I'll share it with all of you. The basic story is that we started out with some similar steering issues like we experienced last year but figured out what was wrong and corrected it. The side story is that we needed some adjustable, directional flow restrictors we had in the shop and we needed them ASAP. On Tuesday evening a friend flew the parts down to us and was expected to land on the lakebed at about 10:30 PM. As in nearly all aviation accidents, one problem was compounded by another problem then another problem which resulted in the airplane crashing in the dark about 10 miles South of our location. We were able to find him (no thanks to the FAA or 911 dispatcher) by 3:30 AM. We returned to camp, installed the parts and I made a test pass in the early afternoon. I began my run at about the 2 mile and went past the 6 mile in full afterburner at 380 mph. The Eagle went straight as an arrow and we knew we had solved the steering issue. We scheduled a run for the next morning with Jessi in the cockpit. At the 2 mile marker she was traveling a little over 100 mph then went into AB and was at 320 at the 3 mile. A cross wind pushed her to the right of the course and she backed out but hit a weenie cone at the 4 mile and decapitated it. We pulled back to the pits for refuel and inspection for any damage from the cone. All was well so we pulled down to the start line at the South end of the lakebed. We knew a weather front was coming in so we needed to get this done before the winds picked up. We held for quite some time as winds kept gusting and dust was blowing. About 4 PM, we began the roll. Jessi went into AB by the 1 mile marker and kept it in all the way past the 6. The wind had blown down the 6 mile marker so she may not have been able to see it at 477 MPH.. The wind blew the Eagle off course just enough so she was headed slightly West of the end of the lakebed which is about a half mile shorter than the marked course. Jessi backed off the throttle, deployed the speed brakes, fired the high speed chute. No Chute! She was full on the magnetic brakes and fired the second chute, NO Chute! Now she was closing in on the end of the lakebed so she is now pulling on the nose brake too. She felt she was still going pretty fast at the last 100 yards when the Eagle started slowing well and the Eagle went about 30 feet into the sagebrush at the end of the lakebed. Jessi was safe and the Eagle wan't damaged. Inspection of the chutes indicated the high speed chute had fired but the trap door didn't open due to a bind in the link that pulls the release. The Low Speed chute failed due to a newly replaced magnetic reed switch that had an internal malfunction. Bad timing for both chutes to have mechanical and electrical failures at the same time! By the time we got back to the pits and digested all the events of the day, that weather front was headed our way and the wind started blowing like hell. The packup on Friday was miserable but we were off the lakebed by about noon. All in all, it was a crazy event filled week but we did validate our steering modifications and the knowledge that the horsepower from the Eagle is working as advertised. The thrust never dropped off and it accelerated like a beast with no limits. We need better course markings and a longer (Diamond Valley?) course as we have pushed Alvord to the limit. We'll be back with more confidence than ever that we can do it!!!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 03, 2016, 01:25:51 PM
Ed-- CONGRATULATIONS on your efforts this year.  No record speeds- but lots of learning and come on, admit it -- some fun, too.   :-D :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: SPARKY on October 03, 2016, 01:37:49 PM
 :cheers:  To ED and Crew


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on October 03, 2016, 05:06:07 PM
Scary on many levels.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Letitroll on October 03, 2016, 05:51:43 PM
Thanks so much Ed and Crew, you guys embody the spirit of Land Speed Racing.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Billy @ AHG on October 03, 2016, 09:09:36 PM
I have tried several times to post video from the lake bed of Jessi's run in the NAE, I guess the file is too big , however if you go to FB you should be able to find it under the 'Alfa Garage' page.
on another note it was a pleasure to work with the team on this endeavor , the most dedicated and friendly bunch  of folks I have ever worked with !


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Stainless1 on October 03, 2016, 10:25:50 PM
Congrats Ed, Jessi and crew.... emergency situations test vehicle and driver... multiple failures and no major damage, a little sage brush in the wheels.  Good job driving
 :cheers:  :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on October 04, 2016, 08:37:14 AM
I have tried several times to post video from the lake bed of Jessi's run in the NAE, I guess the file is too big , however if you go to FB you should be able to find it under the 'Alfa Garage' page.
on another note it was a pleasure to work with the team on this endeavor , the most dedicated and friendly bunch  of folks I have ever worked with !

This should be the direct link to your video. https://www.facebook.com/richard.h.thomas.10/videos/1150519524984832/


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Stainless1 on October 04, 2016, 09:13:53 AM
WOW!

 :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: salt27 on October 04, 2016, 09:23:06 AM
it was a pleasure to work with the team on this endeavor , the most dedicated and friendly bunch  of folks I have ever worked with !

Agreed   


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Letitroll on October 04, 2016, 09:27:07 AM
Hey MX304, Is that video of 2nd run at the 4 1/2 west side ?,  we were on west side about 3.9.  

I think i recognize the voice in the video, (hey have you seen our hats -- gravel, or pavement)
Great Video clip, thanks.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: MX304 on October 04, 2016, 10:03:19 AM
Hey MX304, Is that video of 2nd run at the 4 1/2 west side ?,  we were on west side about 3.9.  

I think i recognize the voice in the video, (hey have you seen our hats -- gravel, or pavement)
Great Video clip, thanks.

Not sure. The video is Billy @ AHG's I was just posting it here to make it easier for people to find.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: desotoman on October 04, 2016, 03:10:28 PM

The video is Billy @ AHG's I was just posting it here to make it easier for people to find.


Where is the video, I don't see a link?

Tom G.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: RidgeRunner on October 04, 2016, 03:22:39 PM
Took a min but just showed up on my screen on reply #154.

Ed


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: desotoman on October 04, 2016, 03:39:14 PM
For some reason reply 154 shows a blank page on my computer. I quoted the page and this showed up, so I will post it.

Tom G.

Well that did not work as it came up blank also, so let's try this. For some reason my computer will not let me post a facebook link, so combine the two parts below and it will take you there.

https://www.
facebook.com/richard.h.thomas.10/videos/1150519524984832/


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: wheelrdealer on October 04, 2016, 06:22:18 PM
Gotta respect that!

BR


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Billy @ AHG on October 06, 2016, 04:14:07 PM
Sorry to create so much confusion over the videos , one problem I hadn't noticed was the "Cuss filter" it changed the name of the FB page , It's A##hole Garage ,  (you can probably fill in the blanks). Or like someone posted a link to my page Richard H Thomas , On FB .
Yes we were on the west side of the course about 2 tenths back at about the 4.75 mile. we were attempting to time between the 4.5 and the 5.5 , however Jessi was 100 yards off course to the west at the 4.5 , and passed us at about 650 away, A bit too close for comfort but it made for a good video !  Funny thing was we all took a vote and decided which direction to run if things went wrong, however none of us had the sense to yell "RUN".. Too much fun !!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: desotoman on October 06, 2016, 05:40:47 PM
Sorry to create so much confusion over the videos , one problem I hadn't noticed was the "Cuss filter" it changed the name of the FB page , It's A##hole Garage ,  (you can probably fill in the blanks).

No problem Billy, but I wondered why I could not find the alfa garage on Google. Ha Ha Ha now I know why. Thanks for the video it was great.

Tom G.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on October 20, 2016, 03:56:19 PM
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/10/the-pride-of-a-nation-the-north-american-eagle-land-speed-record-project/

Another little story about us.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 20, 2016, 07:51:23 PM
Could the rudder flap be used to adjust the trim so the vehicle tracks straight in a sidewind?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on October 21, 2016, 12:40:01 PM
According to the FIA rules, you cannot use winged surfaces to control the vehicle, otherwise it's considered an airplane. We just cannot run when the wind is blowing.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Malcolm UK on October 21, 2016, 03:06:08 PM
FIA Appendix D - 2016

D2.3.3 Category C: Special Automobiles.
D2.3.3.a These Records may be subdivided according to the
type of engine used (jet, rocket, etc.).
D2.3.3.b The use of moveable aerodynamic devices is
permitted.

Just in case you need them keep to five wheels!

If you lost two wheels an ran to FIM rules, then they state
81.01 General
No part of a motorcycle (with the exception of extreme aerodynamic vehicles, also
known as ‘Streamliners’) may extend beyond the wheels. No airfoils, spoilers or
movable external control surfaces are allowed.

81.19 STREAMLINED (Special Construction Vehicles, or ‘Streamliners’)
No movable external control surfaces are allowed. No airfoils or spoilers are allowed
if not integrated in the basic streamlined form. Only one (1) single rear fixed vertical
fin is allowed


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: SPARKY on October 21, 2016, 04:33:09 PM
now just how fun can that be?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on November 07, 2016, 07:41:13 PM
Another cool photo of the team at SEMA with Tony Wood and John D'Augustino.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on November 13, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
November update is online now.
https://www.landspeed.com/stories/project-updates/november-12-2016/


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on December 01, 2016, 07:57:08 PM
http://nymag.com/speed/2016/11/this-75-year-old-is-set-to-break-the-land-speed-record.html?mid=emailshare_speed

A little PR in the New York area. Maybe some rich guy will read it and help us with some funding?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 01, 2016, 08:12:48 PM
I don't remember the last time I got a speeding ticket.  Nancy drives faster than me...on the highways, that is. :roll:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on December 27, 2016, 11:45:07 PM
Here is a pretty good show about the North American Eagle that aired on our local channel. It covers a great deal of the life of the project.
It aired mid September just before we went to the Alvord Dry Lake for our test runs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHs9o8FZdlE&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re:
Post by: Frank06 on December 31, 2016, 10:13:44 AM
Enjoyable.. thanks for posting.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on March 06, 2017, 08:16:35 PM
March 4th update is on the site.
Lots of things happening........... https://www.landspeed.com/sto…/project-updates/march-4-2017/


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on April 25, 2017, 12:37:10 PM
April 22nd update has some pretty good content. We're going through the usually government drill trying to get our permit to run in the desert.

https://www.landspeed.com/stories/project-updates/april-22-2017/


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: F104A on July 20, 2017, 10:33:44 AM
Getting the Roadster ready.
https://www.landspeed.com/sto…/project-updates/july-15-2017/


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on September 28, 2017, 09:42:48 AM
Media blackout?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: ski123 on November 04, 2017, 04:28:51 PM
There is a good article on the NAE and Ed on www.hemmings.com
I'm not sure why these things never get posted here, facebook or their site?
Anybody got any insight?    Diamond valley in Feb?   Go Fast USA!


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: martine on November 04, 2017, 07:23:07 PM
According to the FIA rules, you cannot use winged surfaces to control the vehicle, otherwise it's considered an airplane. We just cannot run when the wind is blowing.

Eeek...Bloodhound has canards and a tailplane which are adjustable for stability...I assume this is OK?


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 04, 2017, 07:36:20 PM
They can be preset, you just can't fly it on the ground.
  Sid.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Malcolm UK on November 05, 2017, 03:17:33 PM
The Bloodhound team have read and are following the FIA rules, which I have copied below. What is interesting is that D2.3.3.b still allows interpretation, because it does not refer to whether or not the vehicle is in motion when a device is moved!

Apart from the spelling of movable with an e, which may show that the text could have originally been in French and then translated, Category C vehicles can be aerodynamically controlled, which for supersonic and beyond might be a very good safety factor.

D2.3.3 Category C: Special Automobiles.
D2.3.3.a These Records may be subdivided according to the type of engine used (jet, rocket, etc.).
D2.3.3.b The use of moveable aerodynamic devices is permitted.

 


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: saltwheels262 on November 05, 2017, 04:01:37 PM
It might get kind of sketchy moving an aerodynamic device at speed.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 05, 2017, 04:29:41 PM
Don't I recall that some experimental aeroplanes have movable aerodynamic devices? :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 05, 2017, 05:04:12 PM
Don't I recall that some experimental aeroplanes have movable aerodynamic devices? :cheers:

LOL. :-D
  Sid.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: Malcolm UK on November 06, 2017, 06:57:32 AM
I am told that most jet fighters, working admittedly in three dimensions without any one fixed surface, use aero trim control to assist pilot 'stick' inputs.


Title: Re: North American Eagle
Post by: saltwheels262 on November 07, 2017, 09:46:01 AM
It might get kind of sketchy moving an aerodynamic device at speed.

I put some more thought into this.

The NAE  has numerous computers, microprocessors and sensors. With those controlling any type of adjustments ; any aerodynamic changes should be completely safe.