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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Build Diaries => Topic started by: Jessechop on September 03, 2014, 11:31:09 AM
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Joe Daly originally built this bike. Doug Cook from ARC Fabrications did the frame and exhaust. Joe ran it with a XB9 motor in both APS and A. Buell front end with Buell wheels and an Airtech body. Held 5 land speed records at one time.
I am building a XB12 based motor to run in APS/F 1350 with its primary track to be Loring.
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Looks great, good luck with project. Joe is good people, I'm sure you got a strong foundation. -Dean
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Looks great, good luck with project. Joe is good people, I'm sure you got a strong foundation. -Dean
Thanks Dean. Joe is one of the best there is, I really look up to him.
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Nice please keep us updated on your progress
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Gentlemen, Thank you. I am anticipating Jesse will build a much faster and better machine than the original.
Joe
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Jesse,
You told me you were itching to build something but you didn't know what. I guess this means you've made up your mind. You seem to have a good foundation to build on. Looking forward to see it run at Loring.
Tom
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I messed up in the first post and don't see where I can edit. It should read APS/PF-1350
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Jesse,
You told me you were itching to build something but you didn't know what. I guess this means you've made up your mind. You seem to have a good foundation to build on. Looking forward to see it run at Loring.
Tom
Thanks Tom, looking forward to it. When I run the dirt bike it is a very labor intensive weekend, basically to run that little 250cc engine to set the speeds I have set I am pulling the pin on the grenade and waiting for it to pop. With that and the fact I do more with running the event it just wasn't going to work.
So last fall I bought a 2004 XB12 that was going to be a LSR build. It was just too nice of a bike to run. 4500 miles, spotless, so I got rid of it and ended up running the RC51. One thing leads to another and I end up with this bike from Joe. Original plan was to run a Blast motor in it. Joe talked me out of that thankfully. I am in hopes I can have a 160 mph bike that should be a low maintenance bike...hopefully.
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Looking forward to this one Jesse...
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Heads were sent of to Dan at NRHS today. Hopefully this is repairable :?
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We fix heads like that here in my shop. Harley uses good Aluminum in their castings, so done right it should be fixable.
Keep in mind that, with that much welding, the head can move around a lot, so checking all machined areas will be required. Even the valve angle can move.
Rouse
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Just a quick update and not a lot to update. Head was repaired, now they just need Dans magic. Cases and cams were sent to Dan also for case boring and the cores to build the new Red Shift cams. In other words it is just a waiting game now.
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A little disassembly work this weekend. Salt is sure hard on things. The swing arm had a small blister of paint salt got under. Just the blow gun stripped the paint with ease.
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This is where the zinc-epoxy primer with urethane top coat will help. It limits the damage.
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The frame was originally silver 2 part urethane. The first trip to the salt flats revealed the need for some frame mods and a different fairing. The silver paint was media blasted off. New fairing mounts fabricated. Then the frame was painted with DuPont metal etch epoxy primer. Finally painted with DuPont red 2 part urethane.
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What laughs at our paint efforts? And is better than safety wire or loctite for keeping nuts on forever?
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The frame was originally silver 2 part urethane. The first trip to the salt flats revealed the need for some frame mods and a different fairing. The silver paint was media blasted off. New fairing mounts fabricated. Then the frame was painted with DuPont metal etch epoxy primer. Finally painted with DuPont red 2 part urethane.
Its good paint, that's for sure. The bike looks powdercoated, just that one spot on the swing arm. Found a broken fairing mount too. I went to the parts store this morning and asked for some Joe Daly red, he said they didn't list it. I asked for Fairway Motorsports red, couldn't find that either..... :-D
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The swing arm spot was repaired from Bonneville when the sprocket ate the chain guard. Try "Fire Engine Red".
Joe
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Picked up a blast cabinet today. Should of done that years ago. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/18/dea1109338a344d2e85cf60a6925a779.jpg)
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That is a nice looking bike stand you have in post #12 and I also like the lift under the chassis. Do you mind telling me what brands you used? Any issues with either one? Thanks, good luck on the build.
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All of that is Pro Lift from Clark Heintz tool in NH. The lift table is air and I love it. It was a package deal with roller bars, extension, etc
http://www.nhproequip.com/pro-1200max-motorcycle-lift-package-free-shipping
Let me know if you want more info. It blows my Harbor Freight lift table out of the water
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Experimenting with the rear brake/ clutch lever set up today. Very close on clearance to the body. Will need to do some modifying there.
That's a Wilwood master off a newer Arctic Cat snowmobile. Just need to get a ball on the end of the lever
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The braking system explained.
When Joe ran the bike the first year he used a foot mounted rear master and hand mounted front. Years after he ran a hand operated rear only. With the primary track being Loring I was not comfortable running a single master, even though the speeds will likely be below the 175 mph front brake requirement. We have plenty of shut down, just planning for the what ifs.
The foot mounted master was not ideal for me as my legs are relatively long and the fluid motion of activating the pedal isn't there. Thus the hand mounted rear and front. Loosely I am planning on running BMST this year. If in fact that happens the pictured master will be removed and the front master will become the rear once again.
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The bike was originally built to ECTA rules. Initially the bike had conventional dual braking systems. The rules mentioned front brake optional for classes below 175 mph. The 1000cc pushrod records were in the 150 mph range and second year racing I removed the front brake system. The conventional foot operated rear brake conformed to the rules and functioned flawlessly racing. The unforeseen issue was unloading the bike from the trailer. Without a brake on the handlebars to control the descent on the ramp it was a nightmare to unload. After a few adventures and pestering, other racers and neighbors to assist I came up with a simple solution. I used the front master cylinder to control the rear caliper using a long stainless AN3 line. Problem solved.
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Hi
I trick I was shown when at Speedweek 2008.
Put the bike in gear and use the clutch lever to control the bike as it is rolling off the trailer.
No front brake needed.
Richard
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Genius!!!
(Make sure the ignition's off.)
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Wet clutch drags .... tried that ....
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Thanks for the info on the lift table, I agree that it is much nicer than the HF. The quality and extra features seem to make it worth the premium price. So what brand blast cabinet did you get?
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Thanks for the info on the lift table, I agree that it is much nicer than the HF. The quality and extra features seem to make it worth the premium price. So what brand blast cabinet did you get?
The lift was well worth the money, much less money than a Handy lift which was nice.
The blast cabinet is a cheap-o HF unit. It needed a little tweaking out of the box, but not bad. Extra seal on the door, whip hose with bulkhead connector for the air and a different vacuum hose set up. All in all I am happy.
I also purchased the HF parts washer. So far so good on that unit also
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If you want things a little quieter in the shop when you're using the blast cabinet you might want to replace the vacuum with a dust collector. A baffle in front of the dust collection opening in the cabinet will go along way sorting the beads from the dust.
Pete
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So, its been long, too long since I updated this. New job, bought a plasma cnc, and well in general life. Long story short the cases ended up at the machine shop for a few months fixing a broken snap ring land. Got the cases back a few weeks ago and have been picking away.
Motor is in, all of the plumbing except one vent line was finished today. Scrapped the rear hand mounted master in favor of foot operated. Had to order more parts, like every other project that I have everything for......I dont. :-D At this point ($$ wise) I could of bought a used ZX14, put a Brocks pipe on it and ran for 200. But that wouldnt be any fun, and I mean that seriously.
First item was motor assembly.
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Needed to clearance the rocker boxes to fit the bigger valve train
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And then motor in the bike
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That was where I finished last weekend
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Then I brought the carb to work so I could set it up on a mill to install the Tunderjet. Its nice to have tools like that at your disposal, and yes the machine shop where the cases were at for a few months in also where I work, go figure :roll:
Something about drilling, milling and tapping a perfectly good carb that adds pucker factor
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Then today I jumped on making a new coil bracket. It is dual plug, thus I needed to run two (or four) coils, or get a 4 tower coil. Since I am over budget and have two coils I opted for a mount. Did I mention I have a plasma CNC? Hahaha
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Tomorrow when I finish up I will update with more pictures. There has been a bit of a delay with getting the pushrods. The primary gasket I ordered 2 weeks ago it MIA and cant get in contact with the seller, go figure. Ordered a battery today, front tire, front brake hose and a slew of fasteners that cant be bought local (see living in the middle of nowhere)
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Got a fair bit done today. For the most part I am done until parts arrive
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I did take some time and cut a few parts on the plasma. First was a chain guard and then the base plate for the velocity stack (building my own)
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Hoping everything shows up this week so I can fire it of next weekend
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Excellent update! You are making great progress, that build looks awesome! :cheers:
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Looking good Jesse!
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Way to go Jesse. :cheers:
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Some more updates. Bike is basically ready for a test fire, minus push rods and the ignition cup. The pushrods will be here tomorrow. The ignition cup I am not sure on. It is amazing how fast some companies can take your money and then supply parts (or even respond to an email) at there own pace.
New tire went on today, date code of 1313 and I got the tire on Friday the 13th. I am not a supersticous person but this has me wondering.
Left on the to do list other than than the previously mentioned:
put on front brake hose and bleed front brake (waiting on hose)
finish up the velocity stack
hook up shifter (waiting on parts)
Install exhaust after pushrods are in
make up some plug wires (kits coming with pushrods)
install grips
rivet chain together
install chain guard
That is really about it. Hoping all goes as planned so I can her it run next weekend
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So, it runs! And sounds good. No oil leaks, one fuel leak at the acc pump. Debating if I should buy a new carb, parts to fix this one, or ? This was a bare body Joe gave me, then I pieced it together and now I am questioning myself if I should of done that.
Anyways. Bike is real close to being done. Shift linkage, chain and fix the fuel leak is really about all that needs to be done.
I used two single fire coils to fire the dual plugs, however that was sending the ignition into fault mode because of the wiring was telling the ignition it was a higher ohm coil. Thus I had to order new coils and then I built a new mount for those coils.
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Fantastic job :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Nice work, Jesse,
How much snow is left up there? I know that New Brunswick (as well as Nova Scotia, but I'm in sunny Colorado now) are still getting snow and wind.
Tom
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Tom, not much really. Most fields are showing bare spots, rode motorcycle yesterday. I was at the runway yesterday and there is probalby around 10" of snow cover. After pavement breaks through it wont take long to be all pavement
Granted we will still get some snow before we race at the end of April, however that snow always melts in a few days
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It's always good to hear them fire off w/o major issues. Good on ya'!
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Awesome job Jesse. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :wink:
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More done. Could make some test passes right now.
Fished most of this list today
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Made a mount for the wideband
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What did you catch, Jesse? :-D
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Water to the face, front fenders are nice
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the cycle looks good.
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Time for an update.
Raced the bike at the Spring Event with zero success. Melted down the front cylinder, ruined the rear head and chewed up the cases. Long story, multiple issues, but thats the short story.
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So, needing lots of parts I was at a standstill. I wasnt sure what to do. Fix what was there, start over, go to a Blast motor...I was really not sure. I didnt want to dump more money into it if it was just going to melt down (at the time I didnt know why it melted down)
After sitting on my hands for almost 2 months I decided to find a stock XB motor, be it the 9 or 12. Put a carb and ignition on it and run it. That would get me familiar with the bike, plus it should give theoretical dependability. There is no dyno anywhere near where I live so was reverting to keeping it simple.
In talking to Joe (pretty sure at this point he regrets me having his email and cell number :-D ) I told him I was looking for a another motor. Instantly he offered up the XB9 he ran in the bike. I thought that was a great idea for about 45 seconds, and then reality set in. I really cant afford to fix what I have, how will fix that one too? (pessimistic by nature)
He said he had a stock XB9 plus a smaller carb. In further conversations he also had the ignition I would need. The ign I used on the 12 didnt have a rev limiter high enough for the 9 motor. A week later the engine was sitting in the shop.
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And a couple days later I asked Stacy to help me get 9216 back on the lift. After about a half hour we had the motor in place
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Then I attempted to mount the carb, and the adapter to the S&S intake wouldnt fit. Thankfully I work in a machine shop so I was able to build a proper one. Now some plumbing and general assembly remains.
I have said it 100 times but I cant say thanks enough to Joe. The world needs more Joe Dalys.
As for the bike, I am hoping it runs out ok in July. I would be happy if it runs 125 and comes home running in one piece.
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Jesse,
Do you know what caused that kind of devastation?
The race goes on and I'm glad that you will be back in July. See you then.
Tom
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Detonation was the piston and head damage. The cases is a long story but my fault for not fixing them right from the get go.
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Sorry to hear about you breaking parts Jesse.
Great to see that she's coming back together.
I think we all have a Daly in our lives. :-D
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Motor runs, and seems to run well. Coming together pretty good. Waiting on a few little parts to button it all up.
Put the body on today to see what I was missing for parts and how it came on and off. I am thinking of running A one day and APS another.
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Detonation was the piston and head damage. The cases is a long story but my fault for not fixing them right from the get go.
Do you know what caused the detonation? An accurate diagnosis will prevent a repeat.
The amount of side electrode projection into the combustion chamber changes the total ignition timing that can be tolerated before detonation. It changes the effective length of the "spark path". Substituting spark plugs types between regular gap, retracted gap, and projected nose changes the timing requirement. Something to think about.
:cheers:
Fordboy
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Pretty sure we have narrowed it down to lack of octane and too hot of a plug.
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Pretty sure we have narrowed it down to lack of octane and too hot of a plug.
Good, sounds like you are on top of it.
:cheers:
Fordboy