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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => 2017 and before: SW & WF => SpeedWeek 2014 => Topic started by: Stainless1 on August 29, 2014, 09:36:00 AM
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Just got my Straight-Away Newsletter and the pre-registration for World Finals.
Pre-registration due by September 15th.
Forms available on the SCTA website.
I would have expected the opportunity to transfer my SpeedWeek entry to the event by paying either the course prep or the non-refundable portion of the entry.
The SCTA site says more info to follow... hope that becomes an option
See you on the salt 8-)
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I think I read that they thought was easier to refund everybody and have them re-enter WF than try to figure who's coming, who's not and just refund the appropriate etc. Think was an accounting decision.
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Stainless that was my hope also!! Just move it over or at least ask me bout it!
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I was just informed by JoAnn Carlson that refund checks are in the mail. That must've been a fun task. -Dean
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Dean --- are you planning on WF ?
Joe
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Just talked to JoAnn, said refund check was coming and I needed to send an entry for WF... rats, got to fill out another form.... oh well, that will be a lot easier than cutting 500 refund checks, sounded like she was a little busy.
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My refund just came. It's cashed and sent off to the person who bought the pre-reg from me.
Mike
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Dean --- are you planning on WF ?
Joe
Can't make it Joe, Speed Week was my one chance to trailer out to the salt this year. Good luck, is your 1000 bike ready? -Dean
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Not finished .
Dean ... All heavy work is done but the damn job keeps getting the way. I will finish this winter and run Ohio in the spring.
Joe
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JoAnn just reminded me that this coming Monday is the deadline for entering for the WF/SW event. She's received about 110 entries - and expects that number will about double in time for the event. Get your entries in now. We've got some good salt out here.
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I sent my entry today. :cheers: Wayno
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We are registered and looking forward to a full week of racing!
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I don't like the path Hurricane Odile is projected to take. JC
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I'll remind all that today is the end of pre-registration for WF/SW '14. If you're tardy and haven't mailed your entry yet -- or even if you've mailed it but just last weekend or something -- I'd suggest that you call the SCTA office and tell JoAnn that it's on the way. She needs to know so all can have a fairly accurate estimate of who - and how many - to expect.
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Hi Everyone,
On the SCTA web site they say the salt will be open Thursday the 26th. The 26th is Friday so does anyone know if we can get on the Salt Thursday or Friday? I have 1601 miles to drive and trying to decide when to leave. I don't want to get to Wendover and sit in a hotel parking lot and sit and wait been there done that :-)
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We are leaving the 25 and was told we could do pit set up on that day,Thursday. See you there.
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Thanks Glen, 8-) I am leaving my sun glasses on till Oct 4th see ya there.
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Glen, will see you there.....August was a 5100 mile practice tow....
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your practice tow beat us by 4100 miles----I sure hope the flats do not get to meet Odile or what ever the Mexican Himecane's name is Thursday should be the day we will know if we dodged that bullet
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I seen they dropped the chance from 80% to 30% keeping sun glasses on 8-)
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Three times I have tried to get to Bonneville and ALL THREE TIMES the event got rained/flooded out. So to help assure a dry World Finals, I am not going. Conclusion: I am the reason that events get rained out.
If anyone reading this lives somewhere that needs rain, please feel free to invite to come there.
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I hear southern California is a little parched. :roll:
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Parched is close. Today we were 111. 30 miles away they were getting thunderstorms and flooding. The state is confused. But as long as the crap drops here and not on the salt its all OK.
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Boiling hot here too. No rain in sight. Send any you don't want. :wink:
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Sorry I can't help California or South Africa just now. However I'll be in Sedona, Arizona late this month and then in October will be spending a week in Boston and a week in Philadelphia. Those areas should implement preventive maintenance programs on umbrellas, storm drains, standby generators and sump pumps. You have been warned. . . .
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Storm drains here can handle 1/4" of rain. Any more and they flood over. If the humidity rises over 60% we get power outages. But as long as the rain stays away from the salt I don't care.
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You're going to be really late getting to Arizona: http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/flooding-threat-returns-to-ari/34047768 (http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/flooding-threat-returns-to-ari/34047768)
Batten down the hatches, guys!
Mie
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Meh pfffffft. Bring it on. :evil:
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As of yesterday - when I talked with BLattin - racing will begin Saturday and the toilets are to arrive Wednesday. That's the same pattern as at SpeedWeek. If we assume that that's all correct - you'd be able to get on the salt Thursday to set up your pit and get ready for inspection, and get said inspection done maybe Thursday and for sure Friday.
But that's only my assumption. I'll see if I can contact someone that will confirm or deny those dates. I'll be driving tomorrow for the first half of the day -- and that means no internet. Have you checked the SCTA website to see what it says? I have not -- again, I've been driving 800++ miles day for the last couple of 'em.
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"Speed Week"
at World Finals Update
This SCTA Speed Week at World Finals event is shaping up to be the best conditions for racing at the famed Bonneville Salt Flats all year.
Your SCTA advance crew will be on the salt starting Monday September 22nd, 2014 and we will start reporting that afternoon on the salt conditions. We will put out an AM and PM report allowing all of our racers and fans to stay in-touch with the conditions as soon as they are known.
We are going to continue Speed Week with the racing program remaining and participant merchandise from Speed Week being distributed to all Speed Week at World Finals competitors.
The SCTA store will be in full operation during racing days, if you are unable to attend you may purchase Speed Week and our new very popular Century of Speed merchandise through our SCTA on-line store at http://shop.scta-bni.org/
The Bonneville Salt Flats will be opened on Friday September 26th, 2014 for tech inspection and racers pit selections. Racing will start on Saturday, September 27th and continue through Friday, October 3rd 2014.
The SCTA wishes to again thank all of the racers and fans who came from all over the country and the globe to attend our originally scheduled Speed Week in August. We sincerely regret that the inclement conditions prevented us from racing, but we now look forward to Speed Week at World Finals.
Racing will start on Saturday, Sep 27th and continue
through Friday Oct 3rd
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Three times I have tried to get to Bonneville and ALL THREE TIMES the event got rained/flooded out. So to help assure a dry World Finals, I am not going. Conclusion: I am the reason that events get rained out.
If anyone reading this lives somewhere that needs rain, please feel free to invite to come there.
Is this you?
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/gearheadeh/hagens%20cars/joebtfsplk_zpsbcb139b3.jpg) (http://s179.photobucket.com/user/gearheadeh/media/hagens%20cars/joebtfsplk_zpsbcb139b3.jpg.html)
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Does anyone know if the forecasted rain missed Bonneville Salt Flats today?
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Radar shows they got some rain. Storm total rainfall estimate looks like over .5 inch and less than .75 inch when I last checked it.
Mike Cook Jr. posted on face book a short video showing it raining, said it had been raining for about 15 min or so when he posted it.
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If and when you get to the event be sure to thank Mike Cook and Ron Main for the repairs they did to the boat ramp and the entrance road that was built for you. The SCTA and USFRA had nothing to do with said repairs so do not give them credit.
DW
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Does anyone know how many courses may be available for SpeedWeek/2014 World Finals?
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The goal is two courses, most likely in the area where USFRA had their two for WoS. That's up in the area where the Salduro dike makes the big bend to the east. I got that scoop from Bill Lattin a couple of days ago. He said he and others would be out there this weekend or Monday or something - to inspect and prepare the courses among other things.
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Why no FB comments from the SCTA, re: the rain on the salt the other day?
DW
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crickets are chirping, popcorn is popping....
seriously though, the lake at lands end that Mike Cook jr posted video of yesterday
from the storm thurs night certainly has many i know holding off on plane tickets and such
as this game called LSR builds character in all of us
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Current Nat Weather Service forecast is calling for 70% chance of thunderstorms on Sunday falling to 60% in the evening, then sunny, so not out of the woods yet even if it is drying well.
Of course boots on the ground with a salt and surf report would be the best info but that will have to wait until the inspection crew gets out there.
Good news is the current port of entry cam shows bright sunshine and no standing water near the camera.
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Again I'll say that I talked with BLattin a couple of days ago and he told me that he and others will be out at the salt again by today or tomorrow or Monday (don't remember which) -- but in any case, there'll be staff there a couple of days before tech inspection begins. Remembering that they SCTA plans to use the courses from the USFRA (or very nearly those courses) - there'll be somewhat less course grooming to do. Drag and polish, yes, but not too much in the way of surveying and marking - assuming that the blue and purple and pink lines haven't faded.
Whatever the case -- we should be hearing something about the conditions out there very soon.
Speaking of hearing -- has anyone heard anything about the SCTA board meeting last night? I think this meeting was the one where election of officers was made. Any changes? Who's been given the boot? Who's been re-elected for another year? Who quit?
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on SCTA FB abit ago: around 3 PST
SPEEDWEEK AT WORLD FINALS UPDATE:
As you may of heard we had a rainstorm come in on Thursday at the Bonneville Salt Flats. The storm added about an 3/4 of an inch of water on parts of our race courses and pit area. Our Race Director and several Board Members are on their way up there to prep our race courses and assess the condition of the salt flats. We should have more information for you by Sunday evening or Monday morning.
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I got these two photos today. They were taken yesterday (Friday) around 2PM. I don't know who was the photographer -- so sorry, but I can't give credits. I got them from Ron Main.
There was a half-inch or so of rain Thursday evening, I think. The forecast for tomorrow and tomorrow night says 60 - 70% chance of more rain, followed by a few warm days and a batch of cooler days.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.7371490590005&lon=-114.0375068349997&site=all&smap=1#.VB4K_-fK7bs
I don't have any further information on the number of pre-entries but will try to get a report and letcha know what I discover.
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It really bothers me that there are so many people throwing negative judgment around about SCTA and why they haven't said anything. While you are all sitting around in your homes with your families this weekend, my husband is driving up to Bonneville with his team to check it out and give the report when he gets there. He hasn't forgotten, and people won't let him forget, how he was treated when he made a call to cancel a race at El Mirage this year based on someone else's veteran observations... So he goes himself now. I am very disappointed with the lack of professionalism I see on this forum bagging on SCTA about this, from people purported to represent SCTA. I guess he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Nothing has been said because they've been in California wrapping things up, and even having a Board meeting Friday night until 11. Hard to give a salt report when you're not on the salt.
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It really bothers me that there are so many people throwing negative judgment around about SCTA and why they haven't said anything. While you are all sitting around in your homes with your families this weekend, my husband is driving up to Bonneville with his team to check it out and give the report when he gets there. He hasn't forgotten, and people won't let him forget, how he was treated when he made a call to cancel a race at El Mirage this year based on someone else's veteran observations... So he goes himself now. I am very disappointed with the lack of professionalism I see on this forum bagging on SCTA about this, from people purported to represent SCTA. I guess he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Nothing has been said because they've been in California wrapping things up, and even having a Board meeting Friday night until 11. Hard to give a salt report when you're not on the salt.
Sandee -
After reading your comment, it troubled me so I went back to the beginning of this thread to see if someone had pooped on SCTA and/or Scott unfairly. Other than someone asking about an update on the SCTA FB page I could discern no barbs, slights or denigration of the organization or your husband.
The tone of this thread is that of VERY WORRIED people who have to make hard decisions, often in advance of when the call is made about the viability of an event moving forward. This is especially true for our European racing family that must ship this speed machines weeks in advance, and the eastern racers who have at least 3 full days of driving, sometimes more.
That we are in the second year of rainouts sharpens the attention to the situation. As for professionalism, this is an amateur sport populated by racing teams using shoestring budgets, not the like the pro crowd that often has a meteorologist on retainer to give teams updates on temp, density altitude and other critical weather data for tuning purposes.
It seems the vast majority of comments are bits and pieces of small facts deposited in the forum for all to read. Of course the sanctioning body has the last word, it is their budget being blown when the meet is called. For all the trouble it will cause SCTA if World Finals is a washout, it is equally, if not more burdensome for Mike Cook in terms of economy of scale.
My troubles are nothing in comparison: 6 assigned land speed stories by major National and international newspapers and magazines. The editors and I have already juggled the deadlines and focus three times this year and I am woefully hopeful to be able to sing the record-setting praises of any land speed racers. Millions of eyeballs will NOT see what ingenious, brave and charming people come to the salt to churn out speed. For a photojournalist and storyteller it is like blowing up 6 engines in one week. Too bad. That's racing. We all gotta be pliable enough to bend when all our grand plans get blown away.
MOST land speed racers are VERY grateful for the volunteer efforts of everyone at SCTA, USFRA and the BMST that labor long and doggedly to craft an event on whys left of the Bonneville Salt Flats. Yes, it is often a thankless job, but the joy comes in pulling together to do what cannot be done alone. I tell you these things because throughout the past 20 years of chronicling this heartwarming and invigorating sport the racers and their families have told me the same things over and over again. There is more gratitude than there is ineptitude.
Unfortunately, we often chaff at the small people with big mouths when our well-intended labors are dumped on. For this thread, it is not the case.
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Sandee said: "... people purported to represent SCTA."
Sandee, I thought that the racers ARE the SCTA and the elected officials were elected to represent the SCTA to all. As for damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - well, that's the way elected officials have been treated from time immemorial. Or, as Abe Lincoln said it, you can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Substitute the word "please" for "fool" and you'll have it correct for all elected folks.
So -- how'd the Board meeting Friday night go? I heard that there was the annual election of officers. I don't know if it was SCTA only or if BNI officers were nominated and elected at the same time. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to let me know. I checked the FB site of SCTA and saw only an announcement that the election meeting was coming up Friday night. But it's Sunday -- and no results? I'm not trying to stir the muddy pot here -- just asking who'll be representing the racers for the next year. Thanks.
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Jon,
For once I guess you will have to wait like everybody else, until the board meeting minutes are published.
As you know well, the SCTA Secretary will forward them to all club reps, presidents and other SCTA/BNI
members on the list in a couple of days. I believe you are one of them, if not, please contact the SCTA
Secretary. He will gladly forward the minutes to you as well.
Just to take some of the suspense out of this forum, nobody was elected at last Friday nights board meeting.
The nominations were held and the ballots will be sent out shortly, to be voted on by all SCTA members.
BTW. There are several SCTA clubs, which are willing to accept out of state memberships. Some of them are
even willing to cover your El Mirage patrol. (or you can arrange for another club member to do it)
There you go, no more excuses. Become a SCTA club member and get your own vote.
Mike
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Mike, I was a member of one of the group of member clubs - and dropped that affiliation a few years back. I might re-up, though. The one I chose did not make an issue of me being unable to do course work duties at EM meets - save for charging a higher annual fee for the membership.
I dropped out because I didn't feel I was getting much for my membership dollars. I might re-think that now. Thanks for the elbow-jog.
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Looks like they just called it boys.
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Here is the text:
SCTA Southern California Timing Association
10 minutes ago
Speed Week at World Finals Update:
From your SCTA advance crew at 7:30 PM Sunday it's raining now. Speed Week at World Finals at the world famous Bonneville Salt Flats has been cancelled. The advance crew consisting of SCTA President Scott Andrews and Race Director Bill Lattin have reviewed the BSF race courses and determined that they are too wet to have any reasonable expectation of them being dry enough to provide a quality race course. We owe our competitors and fans the most accurate assessment and a real picture of the current and expected conditions. The SCTA wishes to thank all of our loyal racers, sponsors, volunteers, and wonderful fans for your undying support of the SCTA and the Bonneville Salt Flats. The entire SCTA and BNI Boards have worked tirelessly to give you the best Land Speed Racing experience and anything less than that is not acceptable to us. We look forward to being your racing choice next year, but for this year at Bonneville Mother Nature hold's the records. See you on the salt in 2015!
Looks like a good call on that below the current 1 hour storm total radar precip estimate, showing up to 0.75 inches of rain approaching the flats. Due to the image delays that stuff is probably over the flats right now.
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I have been watching the radar (from Oregon) for the last few days. I am not surprised at all. Many thanks to Scott and all the SCTA for looking, thinking, and making a reasonable decision early so I don' get to make that 5100 mile drive for nuttin'. Disappointed but so it goes. Thanks guys.[/size]
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:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Man that sucks! Thanks to all the SCTA volunteers and everyone that works to make landracing happen!
Rocket
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Today's date
21 Thunderstorm
Actual:
73 | 57 0.26 <---here's your killer!
Average:
70 | 50 0.01
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Post was not meant for me to respond to.
Tom G.
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In all the years (since 1981) I have been an SCTA member I have always received the SCTA board/reps meeting minutes from my club secretary not from the SCTA secretary.
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World finals won't happen..too wet I am certain..
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Good prediction considering they decided to cancel.
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Yep
Called off on Facebook
J
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Sad really..only hope is Cooks last date.. :x. Did not see the FB...just looked at all of the rain and weather patterns.
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Tom G.,
If you read my post, you will see that it was specifically addressed to Jon (SSS).
I mentioned that my believe was, that he is on the SCTA Secretaries e-mail list for the board meeting minutes.
Nowhere did I say or imply, that the SCTA Secretary is e-mailing, or willing to e-mail these minutes to all 900 SCTA
members. All 11 SCTA clubs have a President and at least a Secretary or Treasurer. They can take care of that just
fine. If you are not getting your minutes, its your clubs fault and further more, you could show up at a meeting once
in a while. For a fellow with so much to say, you never really show up where it counts, I guess.
I personally believe that guys like Jon (SSS), Joe Timney (ECTA), Glenn Barrett (USFRA), Hugh Coltharp or Monte (USFRA)
and others who are involved in trying to help and promote all LSR events in somewhat of a leadership roll, should and would
always be welcome to receive the SCTA board minutes.
Our current Secretary has been doing a great job in keeping us up to date and if he decided to send the minutes
to the club presidents and reps, so they can forward the minutes to their club members, that is his prerogative.
For several years now, the SCTA boards secretary and SCTA office has been trying, for the SCTA club
presidents to collect all their members e-mail addresses and forward them to our office. (some of them are not
doing a good job)
We are trying to send out the Straight-Away News and other publications via the e-mail system, rather then having
to send out between 2 and 3000 letters (SCTA & BNI combined) several times a year.
The printing and mailing costs a lot of membership $$$$ and think about the volunteer time.
At this time, many members are receiving our publications via e-mail, but ALL still receive them via snail mail as well.
But I guess, most of this discussion really does not belong in the SpeedWeek @ World Finals Subject Forum, sorry Jon.
Mike
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Good - that this time I know it right on time...so the big camera can stay home...
Bad......what I do now...again a tourist....where to go this time???
Any idea??????
How is the weather (snow/temperature/road condition) in the different states (especially north) to this time in the year?????
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We spent the week and especially Sunday getting the trailer all packed up. Came in, ate dinner, and then got the word that the event was scrubbed. Damn. Oh well, I am very grateful for SCTA to make the call early and spare the travel expenses. Our team really appreciates all the effort that SCTA expended this year trying to juggle the events around the weather and I guess we will be all the more ready for next year.
Pork Pie, you are always welcome in southeast Texas!
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We were ready to leave Tuesday. Advance notice is really appreciated. Thank You to the SCTA for assessing this as hopeless and saving us the added expense of traveling. Although I really like the cross country road trip. :cheers:
Pork Pie, It was our (Marcia Barker and I) pleasure meeting and visiting with you in August at Speed Week. Maybe you need to visit the east coast this time and see Carlisle and Hershey swap meets in the beginning of October.
Frank
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Last night we went to bed around 9.30 our time (6.30 California time, 7.30 Wendover time), and this morning I found a voice mail from Bill Lattin - - that had arrived soon after we shut off the phone ringers and hit the sack. He told me that the meet was cancelled.
I certainly appreciate being given the notice, Bill. I'm sorry that I wasn't awake and able to post the news to the landracing.com website.
Thanks again.
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Pork Pie,
Which way are you going this week? Always an open invitation up here in the North country to do a tour of some type.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Hey -- if Doug can offer then so can we. Pork Pie, have you interest in visiting us way up north? This is the right time of year to see great displays of fall colors, and we could show you lots of other stuff that makes this area so special. We've even got a spare bedroom.
Okay, so you've decided to decline our offer. How about you stopping by at Wilmington, Ohio, to see the ECTA event there? It's very well attended and interesting -- and quite a bit different from racing at Bonneville. And there's no doubt in my mind that you'd be welcome.
Visit Ohio first -- the event is this coming weekend (27 & 28 September) -- and then head up north. We live about 10-12 hours north of Wilmington.
See you soon, I hope. Ask for directions to our house.
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Good - that this time I know it right on time...so the big camera can stay home...
Bad......what I do now...again a tourist....where to go this time???
Any idea??????
How is the weather (snow/temperature/road condition) in the different states (especially north) to this time in the year?????
Pork Pie, I would call the airlines and see if they will move your flight to dates next year with a small change fee. Even nonrefundable tickets can be moved for a fee if changed before the scheduled flight. You might be able to save some time and money.
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Good - that this time I know it right on time...so the big camera can stay home...
Bad......what I do now...again a tourist....where to go this time???
Any idea??????
How is the weather (snow/temperature/road condition) in the different states (especially north) to this time in the year?????
Temps still reasonable up this way & a little early for snow. Yell if you come this way, empty house to stay in.
Sid.
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This photo was taken by Tom Reade just this morning. The only "dry" land that appears is the newly-repaired entry strip of salt that was trucked in before the Shootout - and it has a few puddles and some erosion. Way off in the distance you can see the NW corner of the Salduro dike and Floating Island way over at the extreme left.
Was it wise to cancel the event last night? I think so. :-D
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Too shallow for a ski boat, not enough fish for fishing, not enough surf for a surf board, too deep to dry for racing.
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I'll bet water skiing behind Lee Kennedy's truck could be a blast!!
That wake would be awesome!!
Thanks to the SCTA for being there to make a sound decision.
John
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Good - that this time I know it right on time...so the big camera can stay home...
Bad......what I do now...again a tourist....where to go this time???
Any idea??????
How is the weather (snow/temperature/road condition) in the different states (especially north) to this time in the year?????
Head to Wilmington Ohio weather for this weekends ECTA Land Speed Racing looks to be perfect. Soory to hear the Worlds event has been canceled mother nature has certainly made a mess of things.
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got the ok from the travel agency, I can storno the rental car for a small fee and can move my flight to August next year for a small fee....so I will stay home
Did the SCTA/BNI got an idea when Speedweek 2015 can be....would be great....would have than the change to book now direct for the right time....thanks in advance
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Thomas,
Are you traveling this week or going back already? [No snow up here yet and there are a lot of roads untravelled].
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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got the ok from the travel agency, I can storno the rental car for a small fee and can move my flight to August next year for a small fee....so I will stay home
Did the SCTA/BNI got an idea when Speedweek 2015 can be....would be great....would have than the change to book now direct for the right time....thanks in advance
I saw Aug 8-14th posted here by an SCTA person, possibly Dan Warner. Not sure if this is absolute. -Dean
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Just a reminder. Don't forget to cancel your room reservations. :roll: Wayno
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Thank you to everyone involved in preparing for SW and SW@WF. As impressive as the SCTA/BNI events at BSF are, most of us never see all the prep and labor that go into hosting events of this size. I'm fairly sure I will pursue that red hat til I get it or die and I wouldn't have this blessing/curse activity without the efforts of the volunteers who work the events. Thanks again :cheers:
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Here's a 2015 Schedule . . .
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Wayno, thanks for the reminder about the Motel...this was the first I done after I read the rain out....but you never know, an old farts like me :-D maybe had forgotten
Stan, thanks for the schedule....so I have not move the flight another time (if my timing had be wrong)...which would cost again the "penalty"...
Lynda, sorry for you, no great birthday party with a big dark chocolate cake....
I wish you all a great wintertime - to August...or maybe again July....and latest back in the work shop in February :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Alright,
I could move the ticket for World Finals to Speedweek 2015.....had to pay a small fee for this and the different of the higher cost for the airfair....main season ticket in August are much more expensive as end of September, which is outside the season.
So at last I could work it out this way.
So Speedweek 2015 is in the pocket...now I wait for the schedule from the USFRA....
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...now I wait for the schedule from the USFRA....
2015 USFRA RACE DATES
World of Speed 2015 Sept. 12 - 15
2015 July Test-N-Tune July 8 - 13
http://www.saltflats.com/ (http://www.saltflats.com/)
:cheers:
Mike
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It looks like it's raining on the salt right now - and there's more to come for the next day or two. I'm glad we're not there. We've had enough of salty water and racecourses for a few years.
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=mtx&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no