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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => 2017 and before: SW & WF => SpeedWeek 2014 => Topic started by: velocity on August 06, 2014, 01:11:43 PM
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In the hopes of keeping your high speed adventures happy and carefree, please take note of increased law enforcement planned for not only the access road and the bend-in-the-road, but also all around the event site. Kerrie Supanich, of the West Wendover Welcome Center notified me that the BLM law enforcement is taking a particular interest in all off-road vehicles this year checking for current registration. Those lacking proper registration will be ticketed.
Utah has a reciprocal agreement with some states and will honor registrations from partner states. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to check if your state partners with Utah. Nevada residents are stuck buying a Utah registration (available at the truck stop on the access road to the flats) as the state does not require registration.
IMPORTANT: If you plan to buy a Utah registration you will need -
1. Proof of residency: driver's license or other state issued identification.
2. Proof of ownership: title or current registration or bill of sale
3. $30 for each machine
More info at:
http://stateparks.utah.gov/resources/ohv/permits
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Thanks for the "heads up".
It isn't too hard to figure out that with Tooele County losing a big bag of revenue
from military cutbacks; they are seeking a fresh teat to suck.
So! They are rummaging through the couch cushions for every nickel and dime they can extract.
I believe The Deseret Peak picnic and rodeo grounds filed bankruptcy not too long ago.
Watch for Sheriff cruisers parked in low vision areas; in shadows and behind curves;
at the "T" intersection to the South of Exit 4 eastbound; and under the Exit 2 bridge. Stay Safe
Jim
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ATV/Off-Highway Motorcycle AL AK CO CT* FL GA HI IL IA KS KY ME MD MA MI MS NE* NH NJ NC RI SC SD TN TX VA WV WI WY NEED PERMIT *ATV only
If your state is listed here or your machine is not currently registered in your home state, you must purchase a Utah non-resident permit.
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Huh?
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When I've used an ATV on the salt I've been lucky enough to already have a UT sticker. But if you think getting salt off of a car is bad...
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Do I need a license to ride a bicycle?
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Now you've done it. Some tax authority in Utah just read your post and had a great idea.
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Next, operator licenses will be required for the port-a-potties.......
just saying, J
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I said this elsewhere -- will repeat it here.
The OHV rule is a state of Utah rule, not federal, so don't sweat the BLM officers that are meandering around. Do watch out for state, local, or county police. I'm told there'll be at least a pair of them in and around the pits this Saturday (don't know about anything earlier), so be careful then.
If you don't have your permit and buying one is what you're planning to do, there will be two local points where you can buy: at the West Wendover Visitor Center and at the Metro (the real name for the truck stop where Marcello's Salt Flats cafe is located). The permit will set you back $30. I don't know how much a ticket will cost. I don't expect to find out except through hearsay.
To get one of the permits you will need both personal identification (driver license, passport) and some proof of ownership of the chosen vehicle (title, bill of sale).
There are, at present, no firm plans to require registration to use the potties. That's still in the early stages of discussion. :roll:
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ATV/Off-Highway Motorcycle AL AK CO CT* FL GA HI IL IA KS KY ME MD MA MI MS NE* NH NJ NC RI SC SD TN TX VA WV WI WY NEED PERMIT *ATV only
If your state is listed here or your machine is not currently registered in your home state, you must purchase a Utah non-resident permit.
According to the Utah State Parks web site you still need a $30 permit they just wont charge you for a non resident registration.
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......There are, at present, no firm plans to require registration to use the potties. That's still in the early stages of discussion. :roll:
I wonder if said registration would require a demonstration of said use procedures? Let me first load up on a few Taco Bell burritos, if that is the case. :-o :-D
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There are, at present, no firm plans to require registration to use the potties. That's still in the early stages of discussion. :roll:
I hope there is no pee test. I dont function under stress of a test.
Beyond the sillyness, this is about our safety, not money. and I am not laughing, I am serious. :-D
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I bet you can't say that with a straight face! :-D
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Do I need a license to ride a bicycle?
Only in Australia
G
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ATV/Off-Highway Motorcycle AL AK CO CT* FL GA HI IL IA KS KY ME MD MA MI MS NE* NH NJ NC RI SC SD TN TX VA WV WI WY NEED PERMIT *ATV only
If your state is listed here or your machine is not currently registered in your home state, you must purchase a Utah non-resident permit.
According to the Utah State Parks web site you still need a $30 permit they just wont charge you for a non resident registration.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Flats are not a state park. They are Federal so State regs do not apply. Provided you keep your machine on the Flats.
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....Correct me if I'm wrong but the Flats are not a state park. They are Federal so State regs do not apply. Provided you keep your machine on the Flats....
I believe that over 50% of the land in Utah is Federal in as far as it is either BLM or National Forest land. Still you need to comply with Utah regs while on that land and since the 'flats' are BLM then you need to conform to Utah regs,
Sum
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Larry, part of the salt flats (lower case) are a Utah state park, part are BLM. I'm not positive how much is which, but while most of the salt area itself is BLM, I think that lots of the land around the Bend in the Road and up the mountains is State park area. If someone out there in internetland has the details I'd be happy to hear them.
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Larry, part of the salt flats (lower case) are a Utah state park, part are BLM. I'm not positive how much is which, but while most of the salt area itself is BLM, I think that lots of the land around the Bend in the Road and up the mountains is State park area. If someone out there in internetland has the details I'd be happy to hear them.
Jon I'm not aware of Utah having a state park at or near the salt flats and couldn't find one here...
http://stateparks.utah.gov/parks
But the Utah off road rules pertain to BLM and Forest Service lands along with any state lands not just State Parks. The State Parks near us here in Blanding are very small,
Sum
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Sum, you may well be right. I'm just going on what I've been told in the past. I'll look around to see if I can figure out why I think there's a state park there. I do know there's one thing that might lend credence to my state park idea: when driving down the road to or from Land's End - my GPS device shows a distinct difference (goes from one color to another) in the land itself part way from Land's End to the Bend. I've assumed that that "border" was the state/federal boundary. I know, I know -- specious at best, but it's the first thing i could think of saying. :roll:
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If someone out there in internetland has the details I'd be happy to hear them.
Here's your answer Jon, most of the salt flats is BLM land but scattered about are square mile segments of state land and occasional private and military land.
Just south of the lands end road about a mile past the bend is a block of state land, as is some of the hill side up above the flats.
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/ut/salt_lake_fo/bonneville_salt_flats/pdfs.Par.16381.File.dat/BSF%20Area%20Map.pdf
These are most probably what are sometimes called "school sections". When the west was surveyed they broke it up into townships and ranges these formed blocks of 36 square miles (6 miles on a side) out of those 36 sections frequently one section was granted to the states for their use, often directing any tax or mineral revenue to support public schools and such (hence the name)
Also to promote the building of the rail ways some of the western lands in each township and range the rail road was to pass through was granted to the RR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_%28United_States_land_surveying%29
http://www.cprr.org/Museum/Pacific_Railroad_Acts.html
Rail Road ACT OF JULY 1, 1862.
SEC. 3 . And be it further enacted, {Land grants. Alternate sections.} That there be, and is hereby, granted to the said company, for the purpose of aiding in the construction of said railroad and telegraph line, and to secure the safe and speedy, transportation of the mails, troops, munitions of war, and public stores thereon, every alternate section of public land, designated by odd numbers, {Changed to ten by Sec. 4, 1864 , and grant to twenty miles.} to the amount of five alternate sections per mile on each side of said railroad, on the line thereof, and within the limits of ten miles on each side of said road, not sold, reserved, or otherwise disposed of by the United States, and to which a preemption or homestead claim may not have attached, at the time the line of said road is definitely fixed: ...
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....These are most probably what are sometimes called "school sections". When the west was surveyed they broke it up into townships and ranges these formed blocks of 36 square miles (6 miles on a side) out of those 36 sections frequently one section was granted to the states for their use, often directing any tax or mineral revenue to support public schools and such (hence the name)
Also to promote the building of the rail ways some of the western lands in each township and range the rail road was to pass through was granted to the RR....
If you have been to Monument Valley and Gouldings...
http://www.gouldings.com/ (http://www.gouldings.com/)
..... (where John Wayne stayed along with the film crews) you have been on land that was a state school section and sold to Goulding. I'll bet they could of got a lot more for it if they would of waited until now. It is surrounded by the Navajo Nation.
Likewise with the land all along the Union Pacific tracks across Wyoming and other western states as you mentioned to help them financially in building the first transcontinental railroad. There again UP has made millions off of that land subsequently in mineral rights and sales thereof.
The main thing is that Utah can ticket you regardless of if you are on state land or BLM land,
Sum
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So, just to make sure I'm reading this correctly...
If I borrow my neighbor's Yamaha 450 quad with the current Arizona off road tag, I'm good to go...
Do the check for spark arrestors etc?
Tom
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Tom:
It's 50/50 on the spark arrestor I've been checked and I've been passed by, but that's mostly mountain riding. I would suspect that they would have no reason to worry about a forest fire on the salt, but as always the Utah laws allow an officer so much leeway that if you don't "respect" their undying need for authority they can "uphold" the law.
Cory