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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: WZ JUNK on July 11, 2014, 12:59:49 PM
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I am interested in news from the test and tune event at Bonneville. I would like to know who is there, the conditions, the speeds, and anything that is going on? I know a couple of teams that are there, but I do not want to call and interrupt their work. If you have news, pass it along.
John
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I would be interested in the same thing. Anybody have anything for us guys that are stuck at work until next month?
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It's raining where I am at Hill afb in Utah. The base is abou 120 miles from the salt. Hopefully they are not getting wet, we had enough of that last year. :cry:
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Looks like they're running to me.... This from Shane T's facebook page 15 minutes ago:
"StradaleRod Ferrari license pass 1 143 on a max of 149 so step 1 is handled. Next we go 175".
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Danny Thompson (Challenger 2) did 245 on his first checkout pass. Yippee-yay!
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Course & weather look great...
Picture from Holly Martins facebook page.
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Go Danny! Paint job looks great.
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Danny Thompson (Challenger 2) did 245 on his first checkout pass. Yippee-yay!
That's a real nice number for a first pass. Way to go Danny T.
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425 on a shakedown! :cheers:
Transposition of 245? sparky
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What happened to the 150-175-200 licence pass rules?? :?
Sid.
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T&T isn't a scta sanctioned event. Don't think licensing applies. Plus if you're referring to DT, I'm pretty sure he's AA licensed anyways. Didn't he flip that Mustang going over 250?
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I was there yesterday. Have my military weekend so had to bail early. Thompson ran, the carbonex car got to the line but had problems with the starter and aborted. I think Strasburgs in their AA/BFL had top time yesterday at 293. I recorded the project 550 car on my phone making its first pass on the salt, it's an awesome machine. Vesco ran the small liner. And I think the black salt car made a shakedown pass. Turbinator, Nish's Frankinstein and carbonex have yet to run.
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As a side note, I did not know that there is another post under the heading "World of Speed". There is a number of post there and some good information. My bad for duplicating and not paying attention. I am old, is my excuse.
I did visit with Sumner a few minuets ago on the phone. Thompson just made another great pass.
John
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Danny Thompson - Challenger 2 - test run #2 - 317.756mph in the 132ft traps at the 3!
Willi
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Don't hold me to this info but it might be close. I think at the end of Sat. Thompson is still fastest at the 317 with Copeland's Black Salt Racing modified sports next at 314 (they also put down the last run of the day at about 280? and had an early run I believe in the low 200's. The CB isn't always the best and the times aren't repeated at all so some of this might not be accurate.
Also the AA/BFL has run a 303 I believe with a 290+ first run. Impressive.
Near the end of the day Flashpoint ran a 303 and was the best sounding car so far down at the 3 that I heard while watch some of the runs at the 2 1/4. I think I also heard the 550 car fire up late in the afternoon but no run today. Also Rob's Carbinite has only been able to make two passes, with one a full course at I think 278. I believe they are having fueling issues and it sounded like that from the 2 1/2 to the 3 when I saw them run. The car was apart when I left the salt at 7:30 or so.
It has been a fun meet being much smaller than SW and more laid back. We have made 2 passes with Sparky's new lakester. Being a new car they wanted 3 passes under 150 and the two have been about 135. Brakes only on the first. One chute on the second and in the morning the next pass will be with both chutes. They we will see what the next step is. So far it has run straight, stopped fine and the chute looks really good on the video I took.
At this point my money might be on the modified sports to possibly beat the streamliners and the AA lakester with the fast time of the meet,
Sum
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Thanks for the report Sumner :cheers: Dean
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Sum,
Thanks for the report.
Tom G.
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Well hopefully the report was half way accurate. Anyone feel free to correct it.
Also the more I think about the 500 mph goal that is out there for some of these teams I think a car that can average 500 in the 6th mile at Cook's meet needs to be running over 400 by the end of the 4th mile. Sure they still have 2 miles to run faster but think of it this way. They are running a mile in 8 seconds or less so they would have less than 16 seconds to add another 100 mph to their speed and have to do it in time to average 500. That is a big chore.
If they want to just have an exit speed at SW of 500 they probably need to be running 400 or over by the 3 mile (this event). Accelerating a car another 100 mph from 400 to 500 in less than 16 seconds is going to take a lot of HP and traction at those speeds considering the HP difference needed to run 500 vs. 400.
This year is going to be interesting but I personally think that it will take another couple before some of these cars reach their full potential. This meet is an example of the time and work it takes to just start laying down some runs,
Sum
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I'm sure Glen, who has timed lots of 400+mph runs, would have a pretty good idea on how fast you'd have to be through the 3 to have a chance at "the big 5" after 5 or 6 (Cook) miles.
Glen?
Willi
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Sum. Thanks for the great info and posts.
I agree on the challenge of 5 is not simple or easy and will take even a few years for these cars to get sorted out as to how to accomplish this goal. It is going to be interesting!
Frank
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We need to remember what this test and tune means in relation to needed speeds. For the most part teams know what 1/4 mile (2-1/4) speeds mean especially to crews listening comparing it to the 3 mile speeds on whether the driver will qualify in the 5 mile average...This time it's at the end if the 3 and not an average in the third mile. If there are short course cars there the need to remember this...... It's a time to learn something........JD
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Ok, dumb question... Apparently at the test and tune, a new car (lakester/streamliner) has to make 3 passes under 150 to check things out (going off of Sparky's deal) on top of licensing passes? If I make it to this event next year, would I have to do the same thing at Speed Week? I'm curious how this works...
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Black Salt Racing sure does a good job of representing the door-slammers (roof-slammers in their case).
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Just got back from the Test and Tune, and I would say that the meet was a complete success! At one time there were 6 cars in the pits with 400+ capabilities, Marlo Treit,Danny Thompson, Rob Freyvogel, the Nish's, Vescos turbine car, and for the life of me I can't remember the sixth car owners name it is the red car with a big blown late model hemi with a big vertical stabilizer and a wing, the headers run along the side of the car but right now my memory for the name fails me!. The conditions were good to very good, some light rain on the end of the course on Thursday and Friday evening but nothing to cause trouble, the USFRA did a great job of dragging a pretty smooth course and it didn't appear that traction was a problem if you watched your horse power application. Temps were in the low 90s. Of note was that many of the USFRA people where there on their own nickle and the meet was laid back and well ran, never a wait to run. I personally want to thank all of the USFRA people for doing this meet and being great host!
I think the greatest thing about this meet was that three of the contenders for the wheel driven record were making their very first runs ever, Marlo Triet, Danny Thompson and Rob Freyvogel and to be there when they made their first runs on the salt was a real privilege. Rob's first run was almost aborted as he had a problem getting the engine in gear but eventually got it in gear and ran a nice first run of around 180, the car ran very straight and Rob said it was effortless to drive, Danny Thompson's first run was with the engines pretty rich but it ran straight and true with minimal problems, on his second run they leaned on it a bit and it ran 317 which was the top time of the meet when I left Saturday afternoon. Marlo's car, 16 years in the building! made its' very first run and Davenport put his foot in it , sounded great but I understand they had some tranny problems and were working on that when I left. Rob make a 273 run on Saturday morning which sounded effortless but came back with some problems that would probably prevent them from making any additional high speed passes, although they were trying for one more low speed run to check out a couple of other things.
It is interesting, at least from my view point, the difference in design and fabrication of these three cars. As we all know Marlo's car is verging on being a rolling piece of automotive art, Jim Hume's craftsmanship and engineering is truly stunning. This car was built with many aircraft based techniques, especially the body work and to a quality level that far exceeds any airplane. Danny Thompson's car has a history that includes such hot rod greats as Tom Jobe, Pat Foster, Nye Frank, John Butera and of course his father's great vision, all to form a foundation for what Danny himself has done to make this car into, what I think, is one of the real contenders for the wheel driven record. Danny's car is extremely compact, much smaller when you see it on the salt than what you may think when you may have seen construction photos. It is built in the manner of early Indy cars, lots of hand fabricated brackets, perfectly TIG welded together, beautifully formed aluminum body panels Dzus-ed to the chassis. A true tribute to the original builders and to Danny and his team's skills.
Rob's car is the design of complete functionality, designed using Solid Werks computer program for the structure, suspension, and body. The body shape was developed by Eric Ahlstrom (Blue) and he built the mold and the body and it is a complete deviation from the design shapes of Marlo's or Thompson's cars and certainly may be what is required to go 500. This car was 4 years from concept design to running car which shows you the power of being able to use the Solid Werks design software.
Each of these cars, it appears to me, really benefited from this test and tune. I think that Danny probably was closest to meeting all of his test parameters, he has shown that the solid block A fuel motors can make the three mile but can they make the 5 mile (or 6 mile) then turn around in an hour and do it again? Marlo found out about some possible transmission problem and better now than at the FIA meet. I hung out with Rob and Brandon alot with the Carbinite car and I can tell you this meet was great for them, I am sure that they have a "to do" list that is probably several pages long when they get back to the shop and also probably have developed a new respect for radiant heat transfer. An additional comment regarding the Carbinite effort, their crew is made up of many of the shop guys that helped Rob and Brandon built the car and have limited salt experience, Rick Yacoucci was there to help Rob and Brandon focus on what needs to be done to make a competitive car and Rick has probably gone faster for less money than anybody around!
USFRA thanks again!!!
Rex
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Nice write up Rex. Thanks for the update.
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Nice write up Rex. Thanks for the update.
X2
Tom G.
PS. Has the Nish car ran?
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Thanks Rex :cheers:
Ron
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Great reports and the pics look awesome. Can't wait to come over and have a good look/listen to these motors. No word on Speed Demon from T&T? I've been following a few teams on the build diary and Facebook so it's good to hear they all had useful time on the salt read for SW.
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Rex, thanks for the detailed report. Been waiting to hear what was going on with those three teams. Sounds like this meet was necessary for all of them and speedweek should be really something to see with them there. The shoot out should be awesome as well,
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Rex:
Thanks for the update. Looks like a successful test and tune. It is going to be a great speedweek this year.
BR
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Update. We (Flashpoint) went 341. Computer shows Bob shut it off at 355. Was a good weekend and a real warm up for Speedweek. Many thanks to the hard working folks who made this test-n-tune possible.
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Thanks Rex
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Update. We (Flashpoint) went 341. Computer shows Bob shut it off at 355. Was a good weekend and a real warm up for Speedweek. Many thanks to the hard working folks who made this test-n-tune possible.
Awesome!
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Update. We (Flashpoint) went 341. Computer shows Bob shut it off at 355. Was a good weekend and a real warm up for Speedweek. Many thanks to the hard working folks who made this test-n-tune possible.
Great news G! Hate to miss you guys this year. Good luck at Speedweek!
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Rex, thanks for the T&T report! Wish I could have been there! ECTA filled my urge for now! :-D
We'll miss you at Speed Week! :-(
BTW: SolidWorks
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Awesome stuff!!
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Rex, I'm sure our paths crossed. I spoke with Rob and the lads a lot. Wayno
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Rex- Who was that guy with the red car? Not a new car. Around 30 years old. Ran a 382 last year at speed week. Second fast car there. But lacks the Gee Wizz factor I guess. Dalton Jackson Mayer A/BFS
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Rex- Who was that guy with the red car? Not a new car. Around 30 years old. Ran a 382 last year at speed week. Second fast car there. But lacks the Gee Wizz factor I guess. Dalton Jackson Mayer A/BFS
Rex- Who was that guy with the red car? Not a new car. Around 30 years old. Ran a 382 last year at speed week. Second fast car there. But lacks the Gee Wizz factor I guess. Dalton Jackson Mayer A/BFS
They have a front wing on the car now that I think is new. In the picture the nose isn't on the car. It was the most awesome sounding car of the meet at the 3 (well the whole course for that matter :-D )
Sumner
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With the nose...
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The above was written immediately after a straight 10.5 hour drive back from Bonneville towing Bob's fuel and parts trailer. My observations: Marlo's car, despite all that has been posted here, cannot be described. You must see it. I don't know how long it will take to get everything sorted out. But what an achievement to just to get this far. I think maybe the Danny Thompson car could have been top speed car this weekend, but they didn't want to. looked to me as they simply wanted to get a pass on the car to further feel it out. And then settled down to photo opps. It looked and sounded really strong and will hopefully cut some really big numbers at Speedweek. The Carbonliner is interesting. But Bob's car was designed and built by Bob and family and friends. The tech and power end seems to be Jackson and Mayer with an a lot of help from G Man and others. And this weekend they made the fastest pass and that is what it's about. Yes the picture I posted was from last year without the new front wing and with the rubber tires and nose required for clearance for them.
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Man this is great stuff!! Thanx to everyone who contributed! I was at the SCTA "load party" yesterday helping get all the trailers packed and readied for Speedweek and I left there just stoked that SW is a mere 3 1/2 weeks away. Then I come into work and read all this...I can taste the Salt already!!
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Speed Demon not in attendance. They know what they can do in 3 miles.
DW
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Speed who? LOL
Guess we will too in ten years...
Or maybe by the time we get 10 passes.. LOL
Bob :-D
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LOL :cheers:
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we had a great 1st meet for me to get to know my new car :-P
Thanks to USFRA for the opportunity to get done a lot done in getting to identify the things NEW CAR things we need to address.
But we fired up rolled out and we able to get in 3 passes on Sunday morning 14? 196 & 227
We are very, very pleased with the way the car handles and gets down the track the chutes seem to fly very straight and stable, the brakes will get a master cylinder change to make them less sensitive, and we will make some changes to the gauges and their mounting.
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Cue. Darth Vader entrance theme...
Lmao
I've gone to the Dark Side
:evil:
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Good job Sparky.
Great chatting with you
Nice hat too... Great color, wish I had one..
Keep up the good work..
Bob. :cheers:
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I owe a BIG apology to the Dalton Jackson Mayer A/BFS car and people, I left about noon on Saturday and they had not ran yet, I know that because I would easily have heard them as their motor is awesome! Although I will not be at Speed Week I will be keeping up via this Landracing site and hope they do a real "rotate the earth" run.
Sparky, great to see you got in a nice 200+ run.
Rex
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Huge thanks for all the updates guys. :cheers: I was checking the site all weekend, between moving, and yard work.
Can't wait too see how everyone does in a few weeks!
Congrats!
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Great meeting you also Bob---what an awesome sounding car---I am like Sum it gives me goose bumps just recalling the sound of it coming down track. He is trying to get me to do my exhaust like yours---but some how, I don't think mine would sound the same as yours---
I also doubt if you want and OLD b hat---I suspect you want the new B hat---lol
Your "old style" 7800 and the "new style" 496 are such contrast in style and sound---his is almost whisper quite---yours is goose bump loud---but I have now doubt that the two of you will have new Bs some day soon :cheers:
I am echoing His Honor's opinion of the T&T many new cars that will soon be laying down some huge numbers whish we could have heard Nish get in a run :cry:
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For anyone who might not have seen it, here's a cockpit video of Challenger II's 317 mph run:
http://youtu.be/wCYKQMViTtE
Gary
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Borrowed tools
Hi Racers; we loaned a timing light to a fellow racer at test n tune..
We allways like to help out.. But dammit if this real needing person DID NOT Return our light... :cry: Bummer!
Not pointing fingers cuase were not sure who borrowed our stuff
Please return to Danny Thompson Motorsports ASAP
Thank you
Frank Hanrahan
Crew Chief car #555
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For anyone who might not have seen it, here's a cockpit video of Challenger II's 317 mph run:
http://youtu.be/wCYKQMViTtE
Gary
That was a fun ride!!!
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Very interesting video. Wish the camera had been adjusted to get the instruments or the outside better. The audio was interesting and very clear though. Would be curious to know what camera they used. I think they are working with Replay XD. Anyone know the audio was excellent
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For those that didn't see it on the 'World of Speed" forum I posted a link there to over 200 pictures from the test-and-tune....
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,13511.195.html (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,13511.195.html)
Sum
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Sum:
Thanks for the video cam heads up. If I have one of these I wont feel so bad if the push truck runs over it... don't ask.
BR
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Thanks for the pics Sum. :cheers:
That's as close as some of us will get. :-)
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Borrowed tools
Hi Racers; we loaned a timing light to a fellow racer at test n tune..
We allways like to help out.. But dammit if this real needing person DID NOT Return our light... :cry: Bummer!
Not pointing fingers cuase were not sure who borrowed our stuff
Please return to Danny Thompson Motorsports ASAP
Thank you
Frank Hanrahan
Crew Chief car #555
This oughta go on a thread of it's own so is more likely to get seen. Bummer the borrower screwed up. Shame.
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I like the Replay XD and the Go Pro. The good stuff is in the $300 range
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Does $300 vs. $60 get you specific (and tangible) "good stuff" like image-stabilization circuitry, etc.?