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Title: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 27, 2014, 02:44:30 PM
The White House promises a public response to any petition that receives 100,000 signatures.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/help-north-american-eagle-team-bring-back-absolute-international-land-speed-record-united-states/53Zlsf8T

Please cut - paste - share.

If we can't raise 100,000 signatures, then it probably isn't important.

But it is important to me.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Malcolm UK on May 27, 2014, 03:40:49 PM
To get this across to 100,000 people you will need to use the various social media - facebook, twitter and so on. 

The US Government site does require a log in / registration process, but it does allow international entries.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: debgeo on May 27, 2014, 03:50:43 PM
I voted took about 6 min. to create account and vote  :cheers:


Title: Re:
Post by: aut0m4tic on May 27, 2014, 04:46:27 PM
I'm number 5.  Very easy to do.
Cory


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: manta22 on May 27, 2014, 05:15:24 PM
Their public response might be "Get lost!"

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 27, 2014, 05:41:51 PM
Their public response might be "Get lost!"

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Neil, that's always a possibility.  But gut level, if the argument can be put into terms of national pride and international competition, a competition the Brits have raised the ante quite high on, I think it likely that the administration could set a tone in which the bureaucrats Ed is stuck dealing with might be more inclined to say "yes" rather than take the easy way out and say "no".

Ain't going to hurt to try.

Spartacus - sign on with me?  :wink:


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on May 27, 2014, 08:27:24 PM
Good idea. How do we get it started?


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: debgeo on May 27, 2014, 09:34:08 PM
It is started read first post and click on link


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 27, 2014, 09:36:02 PM
Ed, I'm already on it.  Click below -

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/help-north-american-eagle-team-bring-back-absolute-international-land-speed-record-united-states/53Zlsf8T

Here's the text of the petition -

We petition the Obama administration to:

Help the North American Eagle team bring back the absolute international land speed record to the United States.

Dear Mr. President

We ask you to intercede on behalf of the North American Eagle (NAE) team, builders of a jet powered land speed racing car with the potential to eclipse the current British record of 763 mph. Both the Bureau of Land Management and the US Air Force have been helpful to the NAE team. Nevertheless, the bureaucratic hurdles that the NAE team have encountered from the military and the BLM threaten to derail their mission, which is to bring the absolute international land speed record back to a United States based team.

As commander-in-chief and as the chief executive with sway over the BLM, your support and influence could help bring the World Land Speed Record back to a United States based team. We invite you to join in support of the North American Eagle.


The reason I did this is because I believe that if you or a team member had started it, or even had any knowledge of it beforehand, it would have come across as self serving.  By having it started by a person who is a fan of the team, but with no direct ties to it, I believe it gives this petition more credibility.

I encourage everybody who thinks that the NAE team deserves a bureaucratic reprieve from the headaches they seem to encounter with respect to their dealings with the federal government to join me in this petition.

I also have this link, along with a longer explanation, posted on my Facebook page, which anyone is welcome to link to . . .

https://www.facebook.com/milwaukeemidget

Good luck, Ed, and to the whole team.

Chris Conrad


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on May 28, 2014, 12:19:39 AM
Awsome Chris. Maybe something good will happen. All we can do is give it a try and see what happens............Thanks for jumping on this.....Ed


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: RidgeRunner on May 28, 2014, 04:38:08 AM
      They can't hear us if we don't speak. 1 more voice just added.

            Ed


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 28, 2014, 08:29:34 AM
To get this across to 100,000 people you will need to use the various social media - facebook, twitter and so on. 

The US Government site does require a log in / registration process, but it does allow international entries.

Thanks, Malcolm.  You make a critical point - this needs to become a groundswell through any and all possible media outlets to succeed.

I've already posted it on my Facebook page, and I intend to send out a personal request via e-mail to a number of friends who share the same conviction - that the NAE team is a point of pride for both US and Canadians, that their community outreach efforts are worthy of acknowledgement and support, and that this team effort exemplifies the American spirit - actually, the universal human spirit - of chasing one's dream to it's conclusion.

Let me also point out that the White House has a timeline of 30 days on all on-line petitions.  The cut-off is June 26th, so if this is to be effective, we need to act now, and stay active in sharing this link and recruiting signatures.

Please join us in twisting some arms.

Chris


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: RichFox on May 28, 2014, 09:43:35 AM
I was #16. Long way to go.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: USFRAMONTE on May 28, 2014, 09:48:56 AM
I signed in as well.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Malcolm UK on May 28, 2014, 11:16:07 AM
The Brits are known for their sense of 'fair play' so I hope many of my countrymen/women will follow my example and give this initiative their support, especially as the absolute Land Speed Record has been an International/World competition over the century plus. 


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: jl222 on May 28, 2014, 11:27:29 AM

  Tried but can't get logged in, Email is not working must be that.

   JL222


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: racefanwfo on May 28, 2014, 05:16:19 PM
I am number 45.
Only 99,955 to go
 :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 28, 2014, 07:22:11 PM
This is a solid start.  At 150 signatures, the petition becomes searchable through the White House website, which will be of help to those who are aware of it.

But awareness of this request is still very much in the hands of us who consider it important.  

Once again, here is the link -

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/help-north-american-eagle-team-bring-back-absolute-international-land-speed-record-united-states/53Zlsf8T

Please consider taking the time to e-mail this link to anybody who would be interested in signing it.  A link to your personal Facebook pages would also be very helpful.

The land speed racing community is not large, but there are many of us involved with this sport who are also involved in education, automotive and tech industries, and numerous other endeavors that walk hand in glove with the work that the NAE team is accomplishing.  It's important that they, too, are made aware of what Ed and the team are attempting to do.

And to our friends across the pond, THANK YOU, TOO, for your support and sense of sportsmanship.



Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 28, 2014, 08:39:35 PM
And #47 signs in from Skandia, Michigan.  We're getting there. :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Graham in Aus on May 29, 2014, 12:21:39 AM
I'm #53 but it can't cope with overseas Zip codes!

Ed can reclaim the record, then Rosco can be the first over 1000! "Comin' at Ya!"

 http://www.aussieinvader.com/home

 :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: stay`tee on May 29, 2014, 01:38:20 AM
Graham, try putting a 0 (zero) in front of your Aussie post code (zip),,  :wink:,,


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 29, 2014, 06:42:02 AM
I'm on!


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on May 29, 2014, 04:37:05 PM
We should probably copy this petition to "chat" so more will respond. What'd ya think?


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: streamliner on May 29, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
#61
 :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 29, 2014, 07:52:16 PM
Or I could follow through after posting this and make the topic into a "sticky" so it'll always pop up.  I posted it on Nancy's Facebook page, too.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 29, 2014, 08:03:21 PM
Jon, that would be great.

Come on, ya'll - if the White House can receive over a quarter of a million petitioners demanding the deportation of Justin Bieber, we should certainly be able to raise awareness of an effort considerably more substantial than our national dislike of post-pubescent-poop-pop.

Ed, can you shake down your media and PR folks?  A little ink could go a long way.

Does anyone have an e-mail addy for our friends at Hot Rod?

Anybody a regular on the H.A.M.B. ?

Here it is again -

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/help-north-american-eagle-team-bring-back-absolute-international-land-speed-record-united-states/53Zlsf8T




Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on May 29, 2014, 08:31:31 PM
Justin who?


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 29, 2014, 08:32:48 PM
Justin Case, Justin time, Justin the opportunity (hunh?).


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: manta22 on May 29, 2014, 09:06:09 PM
He's still here...........

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 29, 2014, 10:22:24 PM
He's still here...........

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

True - there are limits to a President's power - and I'm sure Johnson probably received a lot of similar requests to keep the Beatles and the Stones out.

But with regard to military and BLM lands, a preference on the part of the commander-in-chief can have a strong effect upon the treatment one receives from the underlings. 

I suspect that those the NAE team are dealing with aren't against the idea of land speed attempts so much as they are finding it difficult to say "Yes".

Even a simple acknowledgement from the White House regarding what the NAE team is doing might be all they would need to have a fee waived, or extend an extra day to them, or set up a meeting.

We're almost half way to the point of reaching a searchable status on the petition website.  Once it's searchable, it's a matter of directing it into the hands of the media through press releases, correspondence, phone calls - the awareness will grow.

Until then, continue hounding your friends . . .



Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on May 29, 2014, 11:08:30 PM
I'll see if we can get a press release sent out and that might help. Our IT director, Brandyn is going to start putting it up on twitter and whatever social media
we have available. I also just went through a 1 hour interview with The Wheel Men and mentioned it on there too.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: ski123 on June 02, 2014, 12:29:40 PM
So someone other then the NAE folks started this petition?
That's dedication, nice idea that could actually work.

One would think the NAE team would run with this flame.

They have Jessi Combs as a back-up driver she has been
talking about how she has over 200k followers on Facebook.
Why isn't she promoting the signature drive?
Lenovo has over 2 million likes on Facebook, are they helping?
What about the dozens of small sponsors that have given you
a hand over the last decade, will they help get the word out?
It seems like a win win win situation if you get the numbers.
It would be easier to get a signature then cash these days.

MM got this ball rolling, he cares.  NAE team do you?
This could be the most promising event since Ed and
crew were on Fox News.  Who got you there?  Call them!

It's been 5 days and there is no news on www.landspeed.com
and only a small blurb on FB.  I have come to my own
conclusion that there is a lot of heart, blood, sweat, tears,
money and time into this project, but don't think they
really want this to succeed at this juncture in time.

Ed, Keith have you and all your families signed the petition?

Please I mean no disrespect.  I just have a lot of questions.  Sorry.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on June 02, 2014, 08:57:42 PM
It has been posted on my facebook as well as the NAE facebook. It supposed to be our website too but for some reason it didn't get posted.
As far as not being serious about going after the record, you've got to be kidding!!!!
I also sent a note to our media guy and asked him to do a press release about it and he has not even responded. Get's a little frustrating at times!


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: ski123 on June 02, 2014, 10:07:05 PM
Wow, that's it?   Oy!


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 03, 2014, 08:51:49 AM
ski123 -

Don't diminish the power of properly worded and placed press releases. A well constructed one in the hands of the right receiver can be better than a Super Bowl ad, and they're a lot cheaper.

Ed, we're all interested here on this forum, and we know the team's expertise is more in solid engineering than PR.  Both Ski and I have been hard on NAE's presentation in the media, but it's ONLY BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT YOU TO SUCCEED.  It's critical that the car be the best it can be, because all the press in the world can't overcome a second rate product.  Your focus on the product rather than the brand is critical.

That said, the car's looking pretty darned good at this point, and lighting a fire under the arses of the PR team might be in order.  The petition expires on the 26th, we're at 90 signatures and 60 away from the 150 needed to make it searchable on the site.  This means it pops up on the White House site when people look over the petitions being offered up to the President.  The one I've put up is a LOT MORE REASONABLE than many that have made the "searchable" status - click on the "open petitions" tab on the petition page, and you'll see what I mean -


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/help-north-american-eagle-team-bring-back-absolute-international-land-speed-record-united-states/53Zlsf8T

Discussing it here is preaching to the converted - go forth, and spread the word.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 03, 2014, 09:54:24 AM
How about Jay Leno. He is a retired car guy who could afford to work for beer :cheers:


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on June 03, 2014, 11:02:27 AM
I do speak to Jay from time to time but he is not interested in investing in this project. Wish he would but that isn't his thing.........!


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on June 03, 2014, 11:04:06 AM
I'm going to begin a "Kickstarter" program and see where it takes us. We tried it once before, about a year ago, and only got $150.
We'll give it a go once more and put out a press release too.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: GD on June 03, 2014, 11:32:38 AM
I'm # 91. Only took about 30 seconds to do it. You don't need to fill in the zip code. It's not a required field.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: maj on June 03, 2014, 03:53:46 PM
93, need this on the main Bonneville page, i only just saw it today


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Tornado on June 03, 2014, 04:08:22 PM
Done, easy as that  :-) 94


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: thundersalt on June 03, 2014, 04:22:40 PM
I'm going to begin a "Kickstarter" program and see where it takes us. We tried it once before, about a year ago, and only got $150.
We'll give it a go once more and put out a press release too.
That's incredible considering I gave $200 :wink:


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on June 04, 2014, 11:19:47 AM
Brian, your donation went directly to the NAE donate button and thank you so much for that. The other one, "Go Fund Me" didn't seem to garner
any interest. I blame ourselves for not highlighting it more. We'll do a better job on the Kickstarter one...........Ed


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 04, 2014, 02:58:10 PM
There is a button on the petition page, just above the signatures, which let you promote the petition through either your Facebook page or your Twitter accounts.

I can't think of an easier way to get the word out than to hit either or both of those buttons.

We're at 99 - we're 2/3 of the way to being deemed "Searchable".

Ed, you mentioned Jay wasn't interested in investing in the effort - but might he be persuaded to sign the petition and/or send out a tweet?  That's something he could have his assistant do for him.  :wink:

If we can get the President's acknowledgement and possible support, that's likely to free up cash from other sources.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: velocity on July 17, 2014, 10:41:25 AM
IF anyone on this thread is serious about helping the NAE team then I submit that grassroots activism is the STILL the most powerful tool in the advocate bag.

Print out the petition several times with plenty of extra signature sheets (be sure to have a place where you can later fill-in 1 of 10, 2 of 10, etc.) Take these with you to any car related public gathering and walk-up to every one breathing of voting age. By the end of the day you should have a few hundred and doubtless made a few new friends.

This method has worked for decades and still has merit including getting the word out about the home-based team.

Case-in-point: Back in the mid-1980s,I spearheaded the drive for SEMA forcing the EPA to rewrite testing standards for on-board diagnostics and emissions testing to use tail-pipe sniff results and NOT visual inspection for non-OEM parts. Vic Edelbrock, Weiiand, Russell, Holley, Isky, Comp Cams, etc., were all mighty partners in this quest.  it was the sneakers on the ground in nearly 40 states that whipped- up a ground swell of attention to the plight of not only the high-performance, but also the older cars not yet considered "historic" and therefore exempt. Legislators were stunned by the growing roar at their door and capitulated. All the credit for the positive changes made at county, city, state and federal levels was all pure local doing.

If the USA would like to give Mssrs Noble, Green and Ayers a good hard run for their money, then we need to have a contender amply supplied to do so. The ill-fated Breedlove/Foscett car is sadly obsolete for the current challenge. NAE has struggled so long and is this country's best, and only hope.

We either step-up and do, or sit-back and watch as those clever, doggedly determined Brits jack-up the speed mark so friggin high that we haven't the real estate left on the planet to catch 'em.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: wheelrdealer on July 17, 2014, 02:54:43 PM
I keep getting a message that the petition is closed. I tried all of the links back to page 1.

BR


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: ski123 on July 17, 2014, 03:31:26 PM
The petition was only open for like 30 days.  I ended on June 26 with about 113 signatures.  It was kind of funny that one of the NAE drivers who has over 200K likes on Facebook did not post anything about this drive on her page.  She is their best hope as far as getting the word out.  The old guys just work on the car not the marketing.  LLL you are right it can be done!  It this media age no excuses. Go Fast USA!


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: hotrod on July 17, 2014, 08:11:33 PM
Since the petition has a time out period, you need to do a bit of pre-marketing to get the word out where it will do the most good.

Perhaps send a press announcement to several car magazines with enough lead time for them to get it in a future issue, and time the opening of the petition drive with the arrival of those magazine editions on the news stands.

Likewise touch base with the big message boards and high traffic car nut web sites to put in an announcement and make it a sticky with an embargo date so all this media releases the info just about the same time that the petition is started.

Press releases to any major media web outlets that you know cover a broad spectrum of racing. Find some racing legend to put in a plug through his racing contacts.

Since it is an international competition it might be worth while to shake the trees of a few people that dabble in international competitions like Larry Ellison of Oracle, his experience with the America's cup probably gives him a very good list of contacts to get this sort of word out. Maybe he knows some public relations wizard that loves racing who would help coordinate such a program so it gets off to a running start.

With that short window to gather signatures you can't wait until after the petition is started to get the word out, you need to build a core group of helpers who can dump info on all their favorite web sites and via social media like twitter and face book. Think up a good hash tag for the effort that can be used to push out the information to social media and give supportive people the "digital handle" to get the wheels rolling quickly.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on August 19, 2014, 12:02:17 AM
The good news is: I did get a recreational permit for the Alvord Desert for Sept 15 through Oct 31, 2014. We'll be out there during that time to get
some real speed out of the Eagle. The next mission is to get a permit from the BLM to utilize the 15 miles available at Diamond Valley in Nevada in
2015 where we can stretch it's legs a bit more. Starting to smell the sweet smell of success!!!


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: TrickyDicky on August 19, 2014, 04:47:05 AM
Ed - how many wheels will NAE have this year?


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: F104A on August 19, 2014, 11:24:44 AM
We'll run it in a three wheel configuration then switch to 5 wheels for additonal runs.


Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
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Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
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Title: Re: North American Eagle - petition of President Obama
Post by: floydjer on March 15, 2018, 08:46:19 AM
I like this car...It`s redder than the map on election night :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: