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Title: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on March 17, 2014, 08:53:44 AM
With the help of my friends, I have had the enjoyment of running my 96 Firebird at both Maxton and Bonneville. It didn't set the world on fire (or itself) but we had a great time tickling 200 with a basic 383 LT1 and a little nitrous. Previously, the car had been running B/FALT #9614 but I want this thing to go a bit faster, so we are changing over to AA/BGALT.

As expected, this is not just a matter of changing the letters on the side of the car, but completely starting from scratch. And I mean completely. This weekend, we put the car on a jig built by JavaJoe79 (Chris Coffey) and Erin Carpenter of Coffey Fabrication in Nashville, and completely gutted it. The plan is to build a new frame, chassis, cage structure that will be much safer in pursuit of a blue hat.

Power is coming from a 555 BBC with two 88mm Comp Turbos. This is the engine and turbos that my friend Shannon and I drove 1000 miles on Drag Week in 2010 in his old Nova. It ended up running 7.9's on leaf springs in street trim and I built the engine so I feel very comfy with it. Making the power will not be nearly as difficult as putting it to the ground. The rest of the drivetrain includes an Extremeliner rear end and Lenco, both already in possession.

Below are some before and after shots.

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/bonneville%202010/DSC09598.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/bonneville%202010/DSC09598.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/bonneville%202010/P1050803.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/bonneville%202010/P1050803.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/bonneville%202010/P1050806.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/bonneville%202010/P1050806.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/bonneville%202010/P1050807.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/bonneville%202010/P1050807.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/bonneville%202010/IMG_1992.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/bonneville%202010/IMG_1992.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/bonneville%202010/IMG_1994.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/bonneville%202010/IMG_1994.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/bonneville%202010/IMG_1993.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/bonneville%202010/IMG_1993.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on March 17, 2014, 08:59:48 AM
mmmm, Lenco...

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/bonneville%202010/P1050805.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/bonneville%202010/P1050805.jpg.html)

turrrrrrbos

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this oil pan and Titan pump cost more than my first engine

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/bonneville%202010/IMG_1980.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/bonneville%202010/IMG_1980.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: redhotracing on March 17, 2014, 09:19:58 AM
Darryl-
Can't wait to see your progress, no doubt this will be
a very fun one to watch come together and race...


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Erin Carpenter on March 17, 2014, 11:42:38 AM
As Daryl said, we built a table just to build this car.  It started as a pair of 20' Ibeams I bought at an auction.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/IMG_1084_zps28125aef.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/IMG_1084_zps28125aef.jpg.html)
That slowly turned into the backbone for the table.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/IMG_1721_zpsb107ecea.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/IMG_1721_zpsb107ecea.jpg.html)
That we then topped with a 8'x20' 0.500" steel plate, which we drilled and tapped on a 6" grid......492 holes!
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/IMG_3044_zpsd6f936e0.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/IMG_3044_zpsd6f936e0.jpg.html)
Through the long process of table building, we have been acquiring the bigger parts for the build, like this Glasstek front end and Winters Xtremeliner.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/IMG_0195_zps6f56de19.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/IMG_0195_zps6f56de19.jpg.html)
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(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/IMG_1391_zps9f4f22a5.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/IMG_1391_zps9f4f22a5.jpg.html)
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/IMG_2838_zps055cb88a.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/IMG_2838_zps055cb88a.jpg.html)

Now that we finally have the car mounted and gutted the exciting part of building can start.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on March 17, 2014, 11:53:15 AM
Erin;

"...8'x20' 0.500" steel plate, which we drilled and tapped on a 6" grid......492 holes!"

I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm drilling a few dozen #20 rivet holes and feeling sorry for myself!  :-P

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 17, 2014, 02:28:54 PM
Kinda looks to me that you will be annihilating the 200 mph mark!!! Your drag race engine is a good start but remember that it has to run WOT for around 60-100 seconds not 7.9. What ever you have on it for water pumps now need to be increased.

Going to be a fun build to watch and even more fun will be seeing you at the salt!! Should be a real 300 mph contender. Love your build table, 492 1/2-13 holes, what fun! I do see you have a good mag base drill which really helps. Keep the tap drills sharp! Let the games begin!!

Rex
 


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: redhotracing on March 17, 2014, 04:52:15 PM
These guys had a lot of fun at Maxton with
wiith their B/FALT and /FCT cars. Daryl knows
how to make big power...


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Richard 2 on March 17, 2014, 08:40:46 PM
Looks like you guy's are having fun. Good luck
Richard 2


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jl222 on March 17, 2014, 09:53:20 PM
  Allright 8-) some competition for worlds fastest door slammer.

  My brother used to machine the Titan pumps until Bob Sanders bought his own CNC machine.

  Should be fast but don't use those wide tires :-D

               JL222 :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on March 18, 2014, 03:14:46 AM
Way to go!!!!
 
That is "revolutionary"!!!!.

I'm subscribed. :-D :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on March 18, 2014, 08:16:39 AM
 Allright 8-) some competition for worlds fastest door slammer.

  My brother used to machine the Titan pumps until Bob Sanders bought his own CNC machine.

  Should be fast but don't use those wide tires :-D

               JL222 :cheers:

We've learned quite a bit talking to you guys and reading along. And the tires we are going to use will be ...sdf gfn nfndghstbhrbr


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Geo on March 18, 2014, 11:45:59 AM
 :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 22, 2014, 07:25:03 PM
 Here is the progress from today. Engine is temp mounted into the front clip and positioned onto the jig with the car. Next up is main frame rails, mid plate and firewall.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on March 22, 2014, 08:20:44 PM
That looks good.

The front clip has a strong NASCAR flavor to it.

I bet you appreciate the jig table. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: wheelrdealer on March 23, 2014, 09:40:35 AM
Nice progress. I have fabrication envy!

Did you fab the front subframe or is that a component part? Seems you would need a jig to built it as well.

BR


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Erin Carpenter on March 23, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
Nice progress. I have fabrication envy!

Did you fab the front subframe or is that a component part? Seems you would need a jig to built it as well.

BR


The front subframe came from Howe Racing and is the road racing version.

That looks good.

The front clip has a strong NASCAR flavor to it.

I bet you appreciate the jig table. :cheers:

The table is definitely proving to have been well worth all the hard work that went into it! You are also, right about the clip :wink:

This week we also got the rocker panels opened up and prepped to sink the frame rail into.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/photo1_zpsf7cca668.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/photo1_zpsf7cca668.jpg.html)
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(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/photo3_zps7673e1a6.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/photo3_zps7673e1a6.jpg.html)

And here's a profile shot of it.
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Erin Carpenter on March 26, 2014, 09:33:27 PM
Today we got the main frame structure fabricated.  Frame rails are 2"x4" 0.120" and the front bar is 1.625" 0.120. 
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/firebirdframerails3_zps22f1e490.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/firebirdframerails3_zps22f1e490.jpg.html)
This front bar will have the firewall directly above it and will radius into the step pan below it.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/Firebirdframerails2_zps268dafd9.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/Firebirdframerails2_zps268dafd9.jpg.html)
The jig table works great!
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b584/ErinRCarpenter/firebirdframerails_zps7bbd4c3e.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/ErinRCarpenter/media/firebirdframerails_zps7bbd4c3e.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 27, 2014, 07:47:03 AM
Okay, Erin -- I'll go easy on you here.  Wouldja please go back to the registration ppage and fill in your location in the Profile section?  Otherwise I'll do it for you -- and you'll end ukp in something like a body part (Sore Knees, South Dakota, for instance).  Thanks -- and thanks for the nice build diary you're putting up here.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Finallygotit on March 27, 2014, 09:18:33 AM
Subscribing


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on March 27, 2014, 12:20:29 PM
It looks great.

This is one I won't miss.
Nice work there, really nice. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: poserracer on March 29, 2014, 08:03:43 PM
This is a really cool car. How fast will it go


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Buickguy3 on March 29, 2014, 09:47:43 PM
  Dodge, He's here, too.
   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Freud on March 29, 2014, 11:10:10 PM
Is he is an advisor to Propster.

FREUD


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 29, 2014, 11:39:26 PM
poserracer's first post was a picture of Mike & Penny Cook with #88 at the Daytona 500 http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,13653.msg245388.html#msg245388 (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,13653.msg245388.html#msg245388)

Perhaps not a troll?  (That's why introductions are important.)

Mike


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 02, 2014, 05:54:16 PM
 Today's progress includes making bungs to mount the step pan/floor plate to the frame, then drilling the holes in the plate.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 02, 2014, 05:55:49 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 03, 2014, 12:44:06 PM
More progress on the bungs for the step pan. Finished drilling and countersinking the holes in the plate. Rounded the top of the front bungs in the lathe. Welded it all up. Now I have to flip it over and transfer punch the holes for the rear bungs.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on April 03, 2014, 08:33:32 PM
Joe, awesome stuff. :-D

You're a grafter and I love the attention to detail.

All the big work is getting set up, drilling, machining for hours and 30 seconds of welding. It sucks. :-)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 04, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Thanks!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 04, 2014, 04:04:17 PM
He's really a grifter


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 18, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
More progress yesterday. I cut out the windshield, trimmed back the cowl and A pillars to the plane of the firewall, then I fitted the main frame/floor section to the shell and finalized the position of the car on the jig, then I bent and notched the first of 2 main hoops.

(https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1890408_525252057584693_1371769213571469944_o.jpg)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 18, 2014, 09:09:34 AM
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on April 18, 2014, 09:15:58 AM
Joe, You really do nice work.

It's so well planned.

I like the notches on the hoop.

Excellent. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 18, 2014, 09:26:04 AM
Thanks man. I have been going slow on this build because I take days in between to think about it. Also because I am busy setting up my new shop space, working on customer cars and because bonneville build :)   


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 19, 2014, 08:45:06 PM
Here are a few more of fitting the firewall and a little interior sheet metal to close off some empty spaces. The firewall is .125" plate. The plan is to sandwich it in between the Lenco and the bellhousing. I am going to build a removable section that will also incorporate the scatter shield. That way we can pull the trans and bellhousing and service the clutch and still leave the engine mounted to the mid plate. Later I plan on having the nose of the car "pin" into the excess firewall that sticks out past the A pillar. That way we can take the nose off of the car in one piece.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 19, 2014, 08:45:59 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on April 19, 2014, 10:46:33 PM
Most guys I know that are your age have other people build stuff FOR them.

The two Joes I know that I've never met in person are not average by any means!. :cheers:



Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Peter Jack on April 20, 2014, 08:26:26 AM
That is going to be a really nice solid car.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Thinking long and hard before fabricating results in an excellent product.

Pete


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: lsrjunkie on April 20, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
Very well Thought out. I like the firewall/midplate idea a lot. I can only speculate who Mikey may or may not be talking about. If my hunch is correct, Thanks Mikey! And Joe, I can't wait to see where this build is going. Keep up the hard work man!     Joe


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 21, 2014, 09:52:31 AM
Thanks guys the encouragement means alot.  :cheers:

  Here is a brief spilling of my thoughts on how the next few steps will go...

The engine will be mounted on a front and mid plate. Then the firewall will be sandwiched in between the trans and the bellhousing, essentially a third plate. The middle of the firewall will be a removable piece, properly angled to allow for the engine to be angled down a couple degrees. The removable firewall section will also incorporate a shaped piece of 1/4" plate that will cover the bellhousing as a scatter shield. So if we need to we can pull the trans from the inside and or underneath, pull the rear plate and access the bellhousing and clutch without disturbing the engine. The firewall itself will be braced by tubing in several spots for rigidity.

 If you look at the pics, I will be building the dash bar as one straight piece between the two plates that I welded in up near the top of the firewall. From that straight bar I will extend legs down to the bar at the base of the firewall and up along the A pillars to connect to the halo bar or all the way to the main hoops if that ends up working/packaging better.

 All of the work that I am currently doing is being done in such a way so as to allow the body and frame to separate later so that I can finish welding the hard to reach parts.

The step pan that we made from 1/4" plate will eventually be cut into at least 3 pieces once we have the floor structure laid out. Probably one piece under the driver, one under the trans and driveshaft and one under the passenger floor.

Pretty soon we will need some beefy 4 link brackets, rod ends etc... so we can start laying out the rear suspension and frame section.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: krusty on April 21, 2014, 05:14:38 PM
     

     Joe, tread carefully on the bellhousing and separate scattershield idea. The rules are quite specific about what is acceptable. I would make sure that the bellhousing is SFI approved and that the sticker is visible for the tech inspector (without too much contortion); then your 1/4" plate is additional to the required safety minimum and isn't really part of the inspection (except for being safely mounted). This is if you are building with an eye toward Bonneville; for ECTA, I'd run my idea(s) past Joe T. or Keith.

     vic


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 21, 2014, 06:21:59 PM
We have an SFI bell but it's old and has no sticker.....   I thought that the added 1/4" plate was acceptable regardless of what bell you ran?


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Stan Back on April 21, 2014, 06:55:10 PM
PM sent.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: wheelrdealer on April 21, 2014, 08:53:45 PM
Joe:

I bought a new Lakewood bell housing when I was going to run the Tex 101 trans. The funny thing is Lakewood stuck the SFI sticker right on the face of the housing where the transmission mounts instead of on the circumference of the bell. Once the tranny is bolted up there is no way to read the SFI sticker. I ended up not using that housing and using my original with the 5 speed. So even with a new bell housing the SFI sticker could be an issue.

Love the build, next time I drive to Centerville I will stop by.

BR


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 22, 2014, 09:14:57 AM
Joe:

I bought a new Lakewood bell housing when I was going to run the Tex 101 trans. The funny thing is Lakewood stuck the SFI sticker right on the face of the housing where the transmission mounts instead of on the circumference of the bell. Once the tranny is bolted up there is no way to read the SFI sticker. I ended up not using that housing and using my original with the 5 speed. So even with a new bell housing the SFI sticker could be an issue.

Love the build, next time I drive to Centerville I will stop by.

BR

Come on by any time. You still have my number right?


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 22, 2014, 06:14:06 PM

Today's progress..... I added the angles to the frame behind the firewall and I got the front clip stuck on there where it goes. Then I trimmed the firewall to fit back on. Next I will connect the forward part of the front clip to the roll cage with some 1.625" tubing.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 22, 2014, 06:16:16 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on April 22, 2014, 07:26:20 PM
Just great.

I like it. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: dw230 on April 22, 2014, 07:53:51 PM
You sir, are filling your digital film roll up with all the photos. Keep it up.

DW


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: lsrjunkie on April 22, 2014, 10:03:05 PM
I agree! Looks awesome Joe. Very well thought out, and the attention to detail is outstanding! Keep it coming man!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 23, 2014, 08:06:23 AM
front clip and body - I pronounce you married


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 23, 2014, 09:02:25 AM
 :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 23, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
Very nice!!!!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: DND on April 24, 2014, 06:43:44 PM
Like Rex says very nice, are you designing in places to stick in a ton of lead or more to keep her planted so you can use all that new power?

You don't want the rear spoiler getting to the light's ahead of the pilot!!

G Don


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 24, 2014, 10:02:42 PM
Like Rex says very nice, are you designing in places to stick in a ton of lead or more to keep her planted so you can use all that new power?

You don't want the rear spoiler getting to the light's ahead of the pilot!!

G Don
Yes the main frame rails along the floor of the cockpit are open on the back side. We will be making bricks that fit up in there and bolt on caps for the rails. It will give us roughly 10' worth of 2"x4" tubing to fill with lead. Not to mention the 1/4" plate floor and other spots to fill with lead.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 20, 2014, 06:08:02 PM
Little bit of cage progress. Haven't done much lately but this. Got word from SCTA about body stretch and wheelbase so we are good to go with that.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Tman on May 24, 2014, 01:47:44 PM
My first reply on this thread, I like how you have many tubes notched and tied together!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 31, 2014, 05:05:25 PM
thanks T!

More progress lately. I mostly finished the mid plate and reinstalled the drivetrain into it's final position. Next up will be front engine mounts. We were originally talking about two plate style mounts on the front of the block, down low but after thinking it over real well I think using the stock mounting holes on the block will package best and free up room up front where things are likely to get pretty cramped.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 31, 2014, 05:06:50 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jl222 on May 31, 2014, 06:19:32 PM
  Looks like the engine could be set back closer to the firewall. We set ours back as far as we could and still pull the heads straight off the studs.

  We also ran bars from bottom to top on cross tubes like yours behind firewall and mounted to engine plate with 3- 5/8 bolts on each side thru upright bars with steel tubing welded inside for bolts to pass through.

  More weight on rear tires :-D

           JL222


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 01, 2014, 10:00:12 AM
 We will be adding another section to the lenco and I would end up with too short of a driveshaft I think. Will be mocking up the rear end soon.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 03, 2014, 08:48:16 AM
 Looks like the engine could be set back closer to the firewall. We set ours back as far as we could and still pull the heads straight off the studs.

  We also ran bars from bottom to top on cross tubes like yours behind firewall and mounted to engine plate with 3- 5/8 bolts on each side thru upright bars with steel tubing welded inside for bolts to pass through.

  More weight on rear tires :-D

           JL222

If you look at where the front spark plug sits in relation to the upper control arm mounts, you will see that the engine actually does have setback compared to the OEM position. It just looks like it sits forward because the factory firewall (that we cut out) protrudes so far forward. This new firewall sits further back.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 21, 2014, 01:26:55 PM
More cage progress today. I also jigged up the rear end and hung the water pump the other day.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on June 21, 2014, 08:52:38 PM
Very professional. :-D

Your work is so neat and well thought out.
I love the way you do things. :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 24, 2014, 01:09:13 PM
Thanks man. Starting to look like a chassis. We are looking into wheels at the moment so we can proceed with building suspension and making tubs.

 Using nascar front hubs but we may end up with a custom hub to help with getting rid of scrub.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 26, 2014, 02:50:52 PM
dig the adjustable rear end set up fixture.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 28, 2014, 02:48:07 PM
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Mocked up the axle with the wheels we have. We will be ordering some plate wheels with positive offset. The pic shows 3" of rear ride height with less height achievable.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on September 06, 2014, 03:14:17 PM
 Made a little progress today fitting the nose. We are still waiting on rear wheels so that has had me held up for a while. Should have them soon and we can finalize the suspension mounts in the rear and the seat location.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 01, 2014, 06:10:33 PM
Just noticed all the pic links died..  anyway here is the album link to see all of them
  https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.486569108119655.1073741841.411780185598548&type=1&l=49167d543d

 I recently have made some more progress. We got new front and rear wheels. The rears needed more offset to tuck the the tires as far as we needed to go and the fronts have as much offset as we could get with the goal of zero scrub or as close to it as we can get.
  I mostly made progress with the rear suspension these last few weeks. The following are the latest pics.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 01, 2014, 06:11:55 PM
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I bought some pretty nice 4 link brackets. They are meant for 21" center arms so I fabbed those from 1.5" x .250" DOM using 5/8" x 3/4" aurora rod ends. Hope to have coilovers soon.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 01, 2014, 06:13:11 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 02, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
Today I made some progress with some roof bars.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 03, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on December 03, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
You're on a roll and I love it all.
Nice build. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Paolo Castellano on December 04, 2014, 09:46:45 AM
Great build!

Keep the pics coming!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 04, 2014, 10:46:42 AM
Thanks guys. More progress soon


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 04, 2014, 07:23:10 PM
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First of 4 seat mounts


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: lsrjunkie on December 05, 2014, 11:31:32 AM
Cool idea. Keep the pictures coming!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 07, 2015, 01:25:10 PM
Made progress on the rear suspension over the last few days. Made the mount for the wishbone, the wishbone and installed bungs in the frame to bolt it to.


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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 07, 2015, 01:40:56 PM
Also made a couple more tubes today.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on January 07, 2015, 01:55:19 PM
Great craftsmanship.

She's looking really good. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Ron Gibson on January 07, 2015, 02:38:49 PM
Very nice work and not to be critical, but I would not want my total lateral control of the rear end to be just one threaded Heim end in side load. I would run it by one of the head inspectors for approval in writing for your log book.

YMMV
Ron


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Interested Observer on January 07, 2015, 03:12:44 PM
Quote
Very nice work and not to be critical, but I would not want my total lateral control of the rear end to be just one threaded Heim end in side load. I would run it by one of the head inspectors for approval in writing for your log book.

x10!!!    Any inspector that would approve that kind of usage of Heim joints should be demoted to being drag ballast.

Also, the geometries of the A-arm and 4-bar are incompatible in vertical motion.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 07, 2015, 04:23:27 PM
Interesting view points. Here is my input on this.

 Those are 3/4" shank x 5/8" bore rod ends from Aurora. This is a common setup on many drag cars, street cars and off road machines. Google wishbone locator.

 The geometry of the arms are compatible. If you will look, the A-Arms center piece slides inside the A-Arm and allows it to change length with suspension up and down movement.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Ron Gibson on January 07, 2015, 04:32:07 PM
I see the sliding feature now which would eliminate the bind, but I would still have approval in writing on side loading of the Heim ends. Be a shame to get there and have an inspector say "no run".

Ron


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on January 07, 2015, 04:41:16 PM
Javajoe;

I'll have to agree with those who are leery of side- loading spherical rod end bearings. The strength of the bearings in this loading is a small fraction of its tensile load rating. The ball tends to push out of its housing when the housing distorts under load.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jl222 on January 07, 2015, 04:47:20 PM
  Seems like there would not be much movement with the rod ends mounted that way.

  Jerry Bickle's book Complete Guide To Chassis Performance has a good picture of what he likes and the rod ends
are turned 90 deg to what you have, also has the slider. Check with him if solid rod end is needed on rear mount but rod ends are used for all 3.

  Good book for chassis tuning and setup.

   Good luck JL222


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 07, 2015, 04:58:32 PM
 Seems like there would not be much movement with the rod ends mounted that way.

  Jerry Bickle's book Complete Guide To Chassis Performance has a good picture of what he likes and the rod ends
are turned 90 deg to what you have, also has the slider.

  Good book for chassis tuning and setup.

   Good luck JL222
  Yeah there isn't much movement but it is enough. Where the single rod end attaches to the rear end bracket, it has around 6" of travel. Do you mean the 2 forward rod ends are 90*? I don't have much room to work with as we are planning on a 6" exhaust passing through this area on the passenger side but I am considering an upper wishbone as well.

I see the sliding feature now which would eliminate the bind, but I would still have approval in writing on side loading of the Heim ends. Be a shame to get there and have an inspector say "no run".

Ron
I will send an email to Lefevers. Hard to imagine this not being approved.

Although they ran two wishbones, Speed Demon used rod ends side loaded just like this. Maybe I will add an upper wishbone too?

(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11597.0;attach=35315;image)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on January 07, 2015, 05:35:54 PM
From the Aurora Bearing catalog FAQ:

"What direction is an axial load applied?

The axial load is applied through the axis of the ball bore.
 
What is the axial static load capacity of Aurora Bearing Company's rod ends?

For Aurora two-piece rod ends, the maximum axial static load capacity is recommended to be 15% of the ultimate radial static load capacity. For three-piece rod ends, the maximum axial static load capacity is recommended to be 10% of the ultimate radial static load capacity. However, on three-piece units, factors such as race material, body material, and dimensions may affect the axial static load capacity. For further information, consult the Aurora Bearing engineering department. "

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 07, 2015, 05:59:30 PM
From the Aurora Bearing catalog FAQ:

"What direction is an axial load applied?

The axial load is applied through the axis of the ball bore.
 
What is the axial static load capacity of Aurora Bearing Company's rod ends?

For Aurora two-piece rod ends, the maximum axial static load capacity is recommended to be 15% of the ultimate radial static load capacity. For three-piece rod ends, the maximum axial static load capacity is recommended to be 10% of the ultimate radial static load capacity. However, on three-piece units, factors such as race material, body material, and dimensions may affect the axial static load capacity. For further information, consult the Aurora Bearing engineering department. "

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

I guess you mean the two forward rod ends? On these that equates to over 4000lbs each rod end at 10%. They have leverage over the single rod end that would receive the load from the axle. No need for a bunch of math to see that they won't see load anywhere close to 4000lbs. If you care to do all the math, I will gladly provide you with the dimensions of the wishbone.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 07, 2015, 06:49:32 PM
The purpose of this "A" arm is to locate the rear end laterally in the horizontal plane. If you look at the position of the mounting bracket and the heim joint the load is then from side to side on the joint, not trying to pull the ball vertically out of  its' race, which is the direction that a joint has the least strength. The four bars take all of the axle over turning load and because the lateral locator A frame has a slide function in it, it will never see any appreciable  load in the vertical direction. Also Javajoe has used a joint with a 3/4 inch shank and 5/8 diameter pin hole and he has the pin/bolt in double shear and he is using a very high quality joint. Personally to me it looks perfect!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on January 07, 2015, 07:19:00 PM
JJ;

If you are satisfied with it, that's what counts.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 07, 2015, 10:37:20 PM
I am satisfied but am still considering an upper wishbone. Also waiting to hear from Lafevers. Thanks Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jl222 on January 08, 2015, 12:42:32 AM
 Seems like there would not be much movement with the rod ends mounted that way.

  Jerry Bickle's book Complete Guide To Chassis Performance has a good picture of what he likes and the rod ends
are turned 90 deg to what you have, also has the slider.

  Good book for chassis tuning and setup.

   Good luck JL222
  Yeah there isn't much movement but it is enough. Where the single rod end attaches to the rear end bracket, it has around 6" of travel. Do you mean the 2 forward rod ends are 90*? I don't have much room to work with as we are planning on a 6" exhaust passing through this area on the passenger side but I am considering an upper wishbone as well.

I see the sliding feature now which would eliminate the bind, but I would still have approval in writing on side loading of the Heim ends. Be a shame to get there and have an inspector say "no run".

Ron
I will send an email to Lefevers. Hard to imagine this not being approved.

Although they ran two wishbones, Speed Demon used rod ends side loaded just like this. Maybe I will add an upper wishbone too?

(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11597.0;attach=35315;image)

 Similar to Speed Demon but bolts parallel to cross member mounted in double shear and mounted to bottom of rear end
further back. Rod ends mounted  same as 4 link rod ends. Not sure of rod end mounting at rear end but probably like Speed Demon.

          JL222


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Interested Observer on January 08, 2015, 09:48:16 AM
From Aurora FAQ:
· What direction is a radial load applied?
· The radial load is applied through the axis of the shank of the male or female body.

Note that it says nothing about loads applied that would produce bending in the shank, and no capacities are cited for that type of load, since the bearings are not intended to be used in that manner. 

Assuming a 1.5” overhang, 0.625” minimum diameter of the shank, and 60 ksi yield strength of the material, only about 960 lb side load would produce yield.  And this not taking into account the stress concentration factors of the thread roots, fatigue, and any degradation or propensity for hydrogen embrittlement/stress corrosion cracking.

Yeah, people get away with a lot of things, but it doesn’t make it a sound or defensible engineering approach.  Getting an inspector’s approval is basically meaningless.  Is he going to do a complete analysis and take on the liability for the results?  No.  He is just going to say there are no obvious reasons to reject the arrangement and that you are on your own with it. 

A diagonal bar with rod ends used in the manner they are intended to be used (as in the 4-bar links) is a far superior structural arrangement, uses fewer simpler components, and does away with the monkey-motion maintenance headache sliding interfaces.

Speed Demon was on very thin ice with their double wishbone arrangement.  The only thing that kept them from snapping the rod ends as a result of the driveline torque was the monster anti-roll bar and the slop and flexibility of the wishbones.

But, as Neil said, “If you are happy with it . . .”


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 08, 2015, 10:13:27 AM
Did any of those rod ends in question on speed demon break during the crash?

From Aurora FAQ:
· What direction is a radial load applied?
· The radial load is applied through the axis of the shank of the male or female body.

Note that it says nothing about loads applied that would produce bending in the shank, and no capacities are cited for that type of load, since the bearings are not intended to be used in that manner. 


So they give a radial load rating of 10% of 40,000lbs+   How does that not include the bending strength of the shaft? How can you apply that force without also putting that load through the shaft?

 We used the same rod end on the fleet of formula mazdas that were constantly being crashed. This was the upper, outer rod end on the front suspension. This was a rocker arm type suspension if you are familiar. So for starters the whole weight of that corner of the car was applied through it as a bending load on the shaft. We got to see countless examples of how they yielded when crashed. They pretty much never broke and they would normally destroy whatever they were attached to, before they bent.

 In your opinion would you be happier if those 2 rod ends were turned 90* so the load was through the housing of the rod end rather then the ball race?


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Interested Observer on January 08, 2015, 12:55:06 PM
Aurora is a bearing company.  Their 10% rating of their “radial”, that is, the sideways load of the ball against the socket and housing is the limit they are comfortable with to keep their bearing/seat/housing from undue suffering.  It has nothing to do with, and clearly does not imply, that that much sideload is acceptable in the shank.  If you don’t believe it, do the calculations yourself.  They have no control over what people might do with the rod ends.  They just don’t want their bearing to come apart.

So let’s just recap:  Formula Mazda---You have had previous first-hand experience with bending loads applied to rod end shanks that resulted in bending and breakage of the shanks, yet that kind of intentional loading doesn’t give you pause?

Nothing about a wishbone/rod end arrangement would make me happy when there are other superior methods to be used.

Not that it has to do with anything, but the Speed Demon joints were not broken, but until I verified that it was a serious concern.  Simply having survived a crash doesn’t validate the methodology used.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 08, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
First choice was an X link like this but there is no room for that. You can see all the rod ends are side loaded like mine. That is a picture of a very high hp drag car.

(http://speednik.com/files/2012/12/DSC_0952.jpg)

 Then I considered a diagonal but it won't fit as the pinion is so low and this differential is huge in general. No room for a watts link and I don't care for a panhard bar.

So I ended up with this. This wishbone allows the suspension travel I need, and will easily unbolt to allow enough droop to remove the wheels so that we don't have to have fender arches that are cut away to allow tire removal. This setup is very similar to many very high HP drag cars that are much more violent in their behavior.

 Yes I have seen the strength of these joints survive heavy contact with walls that don't move and other cars. That, along with the strength rating of these joints gives me confidence in this setup. Again I am happy with it.
 


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 08, 2015, 07:58:59 PM
Note that Javajoe said:


 Those are 3/4" shank x 5/8" bore rod ends from Aurora. This is a common setup on many drag cars, street cars and off road machines. Google wishbone locator.

This means that the shank of the rod end is a 3/4-16 threaded, the root diameter for this thread is .6891 inches not, as IO stated, .625. As the moment of inertia of a circle is based upon the diameter to the fourth power this would make the moment of inertia of the 3/4-16 tread 1.48 times larger than the .625 diameter and using the same yeild strength of 60,000 psi and the 1 1/2 inch lever arm, the max load at yield would be 1290 lbs. A secondary point is that IO assumed the material to be something like 4130 as rolled which has a tensile strength of 100,000 psi and a yield of 60,000 psi but in reality these rod end bodies are heat treated and a simple quench and temper will easily increase the tensile strength to 144,000 psi with a yield strength of 130,000 psi which would, along with the increased root diameter, raise the load, at yield, in bending to approx 2800 lbs.

I maintain my opinion that the set up is more than strong enough for a car that is designed to go in a straight line with a traction coefficient  (on salt) of  less than .5.

Rex



Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 08, 2015, 11:07:19 PM
 :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Peter Jack on January 08, 2015, 11:41:35 PM
Knowing the beating those rod ends take in oval track applications I have no fear that those in the salt car will last forever. If they're deformed in any way it will have happened in the process of the car being much more deformed and the rod ends will not be the cause.

Pete


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on January 09, 2015, 01:58:10 AM
The fact that I never furthered my education is irrelevant.

On landracing.com I just know I'll get educated. If you
don't learn anything here you've got yourself to blame.

Thanks all. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Geo on January 09, 2015, 07:41:01 AM
Mikey and all,

Tauruck, you have taught us all quite a bit.  So have many others taught me over the years. Keep it up I have much to learn.

Thanks also.

Geo


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Interested Observer on January 09, 2015, 10:11:39 AM
Rex,
The purpose of my earlier, almost off-hand calculation was to disabuse the notion that the 10%/4000 lb load could possibly apply to the shank capacity.  It seems to have done that.  I knew the diameter was slightly small so as to include something of a stress concentration factor, however an actual factor would likely be even more severe.  Even with your unfounded speculation as to the yield strength, the result confirms that the 4000 doesn’t apply.

I suspect Aurora builds their stuff to perform adequately for their envisioned application.  Given the 40,000 lb rating, it appears the material is probably in the 105,000-110,000 psi yield range, a fairly common mid-level fastener material.  But there are many ways to get there that may or may not include some hidden pit-falls.  Perhaps when you confirm the actual shank chemistry, heat treat, tensile properties, hardness, Charpy values, geometrical concentration factors, residual stress, and hydrogen embrittlement/stress corrosion cracking propensity of the steel in a marine environment, a more accurate assessment could be made.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 09, 2015, 10:22:44 AM
Perhaps....

 Heard back from Lefevers. He likes it. Also had another trusted racer stop by the shop and he likes it too.   

 
 May be a few more days before I have more progress but I will have more updates soon.

I should have the rear coilovers today. Planning on a screw jack arrangement for the upper mount so as to allow easy ride height changes just by opening the hatch. Front ride height will also be on a screw jack as we will be using nascar style upper spring perches with large diameter springs.

 Anyone have any thoughts on front spring rate?  Thinking 1500+ lbs of weight on each corner. I have seen surplus nascar springs in the 2000lb/in range and that is what I was considering.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jl222 on January 09, 2015, 02:35:32 PM
First choice was an X link like this but there is no room for that. You can see all the rod ends are side loaded like mine. That is a picture of a very high hp drag car.

(http://speednik.com/files/2012/12/DSC_0952.jpg)

 Then I considered a diagonal but it won't fit as the pinion is so low and this differential is huge in general. No room for a watts link and I don't care for a panhard bar.

So I ended up with this. This wishbone allows the suspension travel I need, and will easily unbolt to allow enough droop to remove the wheels so that we don't have to have fender arches that are cut away to allow tire removal. This setup is very similar to many very high HP drag cars that are much more violent in their behavior.

 Yes I have seen the strength of these joints survive heavy contact with walls that don't move and other cars. That, along with the strength rating of these joints gives me confidence in this setup. Again I am happy with it.
 

  The pic above is from the bottom isn't it? The rod ends are mounted as your 4 link bar rod ends are and his. Not as yours are.
  My concern was having enough suspension travel without binding and having the wheel rate go to infinity and spin the tires, but it sounds like it's OK.

                               JL222


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 09, 2015, 02:41:19 PM
First choice was an X link like this but there is no room for that. You can see all the rod ends are side loaded like mine. That is a picture of a very high hp drag car.

(http://speednik.com/files/2012/12/DSC_0952.jpg)

 Then I considered a diagonal but it won't fit as the pinion is so low and this differential is huge in general. No room for a watts link and I don't care for a panhard bar.

So I ended up with this. This wishbone allows the suspension travel I need, and will easily unbolt to allow enough droop to remove the wheels so that we don't have to have fender arches that are cut away to allow tire removal. This setup is very similar to many very high HP drag cars that are much more violent in their behavior.

 Yes I have seen the strength of these joints survive heavy contact with walls that don't move and other cars. That, along with the strength rating of these joints gives me confidence in this setup. Again I am happy with it.
 

  The pic above is from the bottom isn't it? The rod ends are mounted as your 4 link bar rod ends are. Not as yours are.
  My concern was having enough suspension travel without binding and having the wheel rate go to infinity and spin the tires, but it sounds like it's OK.

                               JL222

Yeah I used that pic to show how the rod ends in that X link setup are side loaded. Didn't mean what you thought I meant I think.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 09, 2015, 03:14:30 PM
Rex,
The purpose of my earlier, almost off-hand calculation was to disabuse the notion that the 10%/4000 lb load could possibly apply to the shank capacity.  It seems to have done that.  I knew the diameter was slightly small so as to include something of a stress concentration factor, however an actual factor would likely be even more severe.  Even with your unfounded speculation as to the yield strength, the result confirms that the 4000 doesn’t apply.

I suspect Aurora builds their stuff to perform adequately for their envisioned application.  Given the 40,000 lb rating, it appears the material is probably in the 105,000-110,000 psi yield range, a fairly common mid-level fastener material.  But there are many ways to get there that may or may not include some hidden pit-falls.  Perhaps when you confirm the actual shank chemistry, heat treat, tensile properties, hardness, Charpy values, geometrical concentration factors, residual stress, and hydrogen embrittlement/stress corrosion cracking propensity of the steel in a marine environment, a more accurate assessment could be made.


IO you are definitely "buzz word dangerous"!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 21, 2015, 11:16:35 PM
Made some progress with the steering.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 21, 2015, 11:18:30 PM
Finally got the rear coilovers. They seem like nice pieces.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10931358_662614703848427_639941695608993811_n.jpg?oh=4848220a2b93426e336e2c0ef312e3ea&oe=552621CB&__gda__=1432287222_7de1791d1178dc3065e8e1cd773e7393)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: lsrjunkie on January 22, 2015, 05:51:06 PM
Boy, they sure look nice. Adjustable for compression and rebound... looks pretty trick to me. I dig that column setup as well. The car is looking good. Keep it up!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on January 22, 2015, 06:39:34 PM
Thanks. 


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 09, 2015, 09:12:53 AM
Latest progress on rear coilover upper mounts. We wanted to make it quick and easy to adjust and have a wide range of ride height options for racing and loading on the trailer. As it sits, with the car jacked up, the wheels just barely have enough room to come off for service when the suspension droops. I can adjust the upper mount to sit the car on the ground if we really wanted to or 3" above ride height for a total of 6" of clearance for easier trailer loading.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11043119_683423021767595_7302427634700777252_n.jpg?oh=a598ab140313ad6dd190864bdd870bbf&oe=558D0742&__gda__=1434868986_0b60976849a0b5a677913057279fe019)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11021207_683423088434255_7692505938604119998_n.jpg?oh=a463229d1d26dee648e449232d71324b&oe=5573CF13&__gda__=1435211162_75008c27e7f395db4349b2ba35649e61)

(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10995670_683423118434252_4730789135038634260_n.jpg?oh=7dfc74e2153131092651d84db2810eda&oe=558ADC7D)

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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11017001_683423065100924_5387582335850822591_n.jpg?oh=bc72014add254d16d719b25df2f023e2&oe=5589F589&__gda__=1435380195_da1cc04a72607fe7ae21c4b1e5a9288d)

(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11049542_683423145100916_7421277131831736977_n.jpg?oh=664a4242b51a623ee33d9712716878a3&oe=558C3375)

(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12893_683423131767584_2382363084728646867_n.jpg?oh=78315d4400704e08bc617cb107c96b2e&oe=55780234)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 20, 2015, 09:06:08 AM
So we reroofed the car yesterday. No more T tops.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11076262_689705897805974_2499417516824039873_n.jpg?oh=85bf008d13ff1d4eeb7a59f4b1ef685c&oe=557D53B7&__gda__=1433536062_e7278d8854645798b01de82dce62d879)

(https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11076281_689705914472639_2953651602089194374_n.jpg?oh=d5d3a62c83887761c5bb8c1870bf0dbe&oe=556FA117)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: mtkawboy on March 20, 2015, 01:15:00 PM
Sweet looking steering column mount  :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 20, 2015, 11:54:07 PM
That is such a nice car, your fab and design are right on!!!! Can't wait to see it at the salt!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Freud on March 21, 2015, 11:59:24 AM
Excellent presentation.  Your fotos show the parts very well.

FREUD


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 23, 2015, 08:15:01 AM
Thanks everyone. The owner, Revolutionary, was here Thursday and friday along with several other folks who helped out. We got alot done. Friday we mocked up a front wheel and and upright. We will be ordering custom uprights and building the control arms. Also using the exact same coilover as the rear just with a higher rate.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 23, 2015, 08:23:15 AM

As you can see here, the uprights we were hoping to use won't work. We will be ordering some custom soon. They will be similar to what we have but the spindle will sit 2" higher on them and the upright itself will be 1" shorter and have 13* of KPI rather then 10. This gets our scrub to near zero. We will still use the nascar hubs and the arms will be similar to your average stock car setup just much beefier. The sway bar and arms we got at a Nascar auction look like they will work well.

(https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11070013_691117294331501_4071225835742621486_n.jpg?oh=eb587309c3ec7c25d5d6fb2e8eec33a6&oe=55B8D700)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 23, 2015, 10:22:18 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10172575_691157540994143_779545556000420961_n.jpg?oh=355111e7e5229b626c921707ef02f0e4&oe=55B2F010&__gda__=1437592273_a6531bb5bb8fbbc7ceffa0cc2cc0fc0e)

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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/1545699_691157554327475_4072234799193776222_n.jpg?oh=0f13fd133d7560d8d0b909d28d2b40cd&oe=55B596BA&__gda__=1437406543_d1e10b4f72068d0489e2dff751ddb44e)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: lsrjunkie on March 23, 2015, 02:00:26 PM
Looking good Joe! Nice work!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: skywalker18 on March 24, 2015, 10:02:49 PM
I love the stance of the car!!  You guys have top notch build quality, and I can't wait to watch the build progress.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 25, 2015, 08:28:41 AM
Thanks. It's really looking like a car now.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 24, 2015, 09:22:46 AM
 More tube work

(https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11182318_705637392879491_4658827443031822681_n.jpg?oh=d6851cec3154f2471221fcc91227d802&oe=55CD17BC)

This shot shows all the tubes that intersect above the drivers head. I will be adding more triangulation all over the place too.

(https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11169180_705639082879322_7485939671468149460_n.jpg?oh=d6bc9281dcba6007af6a17394103b0aa&oe=55CED20F)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: DND on April 24, 2015, 05:05:20 PM
Hi Joe

Are you planning on running this year or just when it gets done, great job with your metal fab work

G Don


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 25, 2015, 10:37:12 AM
Hi Joe

Are you planning on running this year or just when it gets done, great job with your metal fab work

G Don
 Next year I am sure. Shakedown at Ohio then speedweek hopefully. Thanks


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on April 27, 2015, 10:54:58 AM
Joe, it's looking better and better.

Thanks for the photos. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 28, 2015, 09:44:56 AM
Thanks man


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 30, 2015, 02:18:28 PM
Uprights are here finally!!  Time to build front suspension.

(https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11124485_708651442578086_3413613937423304883_n.jpg?oh=4451fcba59946f0a505236cf4d41ab81&oe=55DDE080)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: gnx7 on June 01, 2015, 02:23:32 AM
Incredible build guys!  Chris is one hell of a fabricator!

Darryl-  what block, crank/rods, heads/intake on the 555ci setup?


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on June 01, 2015, 03:47:42 AM
Standard stuff for Coffey fabrication IMO. :-D

Great looking components. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on June 01, 2015, 12:00:23 PM
Joe;

What calipers are you fitting on these nice looking uprights?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 09, 2015, 06:19:50 PM
Joe;

What calipers are you fitting on these nice looking uprights?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Not sure yet. We have a set of fairly big wilwood four piston calipers for the rear. Probably something similar up front.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on June 09, 2015, 06:23:42 PM
Those should stop you nicely if your 'chute doesn't open!  :cheers:

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 12, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
A little progress on bridging the dash area to the windshield and a few more bars in the cage. Waiting on parts to fab the front suspension.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on June 12, 2015, 09:45:43 AM
The Coffey is definitely not decaf. :-D

This is the real deal.

What a build!!!!!.

I love the way you work. Awesome stuff Joe. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 12, 2015, 11:14:32 AM
Thanks. Also I moved the chassis table AGAIN!!!  I think I am finally happy with where it is.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: DND on June 12, 2015, 05:29:35 PM
Hi Joe

I agree What a build, do you have an idea for how many feet of tube you will have in your cage ?

The tube store must love you guys !!

G Don


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 14, 2015, 11:42:06 AM
 Was planning on eventually measuring but it's well over 80ft currently


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on July 06, 2015, 03:59:48 PM
Incredible build guys!  Chris is one hell of a fabricator!

Darryl-  what block, crank/rods, heads/intake on the 555ci setup?

Using a Bowtie block, Callies crank, Oliver billet rods, Pro Filer 24 degree heads and a Holley intake.  two 88mm Comp Turbos.

This is the engine that I built for my friend's leaf spring Nova that we took on Drag Week in 2010. Ran it 1000 miles then he raced it on/off for a bit and I ended up buying the engine when he decided to sell the car. It ended up dipping into the 7's which is ok for a street car. since then, we switched to T&D shaft rockers from Yella-Terra stud rockers and slipped in some new bearings and rings.  Otherwise the engine has really been wonderful. Sometimes you just get a combination that works great.

One of the things that really helps out is big lifters. .904 lifters in this thing I really believe keep it alive.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: SPARKY on July 06, 2015, 11:24:38 PM
 :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: fordboy628 on July 07, 2015, 05:58:59 AM

One of the things that really helps out is big lifters. .904 lifters in this thing I really believe keep it alive.


If you are running a flat tappet cam, bigger on tappet diameter is always better.     Makes higher velocities and accelerations achievable.    Can add reliability.

 :cheers:
Fordboy


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 18, 2015, 10:00:58 AM
Front suspension progress so far....  I have one part of the lower control arm made. The rest of the lower arm will form a basic A frame with sway bar and coilover mount tabs.  The upper mount and arm are off the shelf circle track stuff. There will be more structure added to the upper mount as well. I built a box to space the upper arm mount up higher for less camber gain and the upright is starting at 15* of caster with more or less available by adjustment. Wondering if I should build in some anti dive?

(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11183436_740103632766200_4788068058179299473_n.jpg?oh=74ff27eecb9f5fb7c2bbae0715318879&oe=564D0366)

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(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11750647_740103656099531_8405035625951097617_n.jpg?oh=05924da08a520199d5ad50548252d006&oe=56181FF1)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: fordboy628 on July 18, 2015, 10:33:54 AM

 Wondering if I should build in some anti dive?


How much are you expecting the front end to "dive" under braking?    Is it enough to dramatically change the alignment?   Make the car "squirrelly" under braking?   My biggest concern would be toe change under braking.    A big difference toward toe out will make the car "wander" or "hunt".    Just what the driver does not need.    Cars at speed tend to "skate" on the salt because of the low traction.    Once it "wanders" or "skates" away from the driver, they are just a passenger . . . . . .

I, personally, would not worry about braking traction in dive on salt, the way I would for a car on pavement.     I just don't think you have the same amount of traction.

Just my 2 cents, and I am not a suspension specialist.    Perhaps some of the old hands on the board can comment in a more insightful manner.

 :cheers:
Fordboy


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Stainless1 on July 18, 2015, 10:43:53 AM
Chute in the right place?  That is the only thing that will make you dive.... in a salt car... on pavement there are lots of variables.  Watch the Lambo spin video at the Texas mile... did it every time on braking till it rolled. That link is on this site somewhere.  You need to look at your bump steer... if it has it you don't want to see a lot of frontend movement on braking, chute deployment, of even as speed increases downforce.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 18, 2015, 10:55:49 AM

 Wondering if I should build in some anti dive?


How much are you expecting the front end to "dive" under braking?    Is it enough to dramatically change the alignment?   Make the car "squirrelly" under braking?   My biggest concern would be toe change under braking.    A big difference toward toe out will make the car "wander" or "hunt".    Just what the driver does not need.    Cars at speed tend to "skate" on the salt because of the low traction.    Once it "wanders" or "skates" away from the driver, they are just a passenger . . . . . .

I, personally, would not worry about braking traction in dive on salt, the way I would for a car on pavement.     I just don't think you have the same amount of traction.

Just my 2 cents, and I am not a suspension specialist.    Perhaps some of the old hands on the board can comment in a more insightful manner.

 :cheers:
Fordboy

 All good points. We are also planning on a good deal of mile racing too and at the speeds this thing should run in the mile, it will need to be using the brakes pretty hard. There will be limited traction up front from skinnies but I am more concerned about running really low and scraping the air dam at the mile in the shutdown.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 18, 2015, 11:07:14 AM
Chute in the right place?  That is the only thing that will make you dive.... in a salt car... on pavement there are lots of variables.  Watch the Lambo spin video at the Texas mile... did it every time on braking till it rolled. That link is on this site somewhere.  You need to look at your bump steer... if it has it you don't want to see a lot of frontend movement on braking, chute deployment, of even as speed increases downforce.

 Chute not mounted yet but will be mounted correct.

Shooting for zero bump and bump will be adjustable. I am probably over thinking this. The front spring rate will be pretty high too. The upper brackets had ant dive built into them but I machined that out. The lower mounts on this front clip have built in anti dive adjustment by shimming the rear inner A arm mount up or down. I could always raise that a bit I guess but I suppose I will set it initially with both arms parallel to the ground.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 20, 2015, 06:00:04 PM
Front lower arm is almost done on one side.

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(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/22017_741235799319650_670580313888078747_n.jpg?oh=52f6a04533d442d7c55b49ce1dd889a7&oe=5610CA5A)

(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11182153_741235815986315_3984259861992673085_n.jpg?oh=5d954af8a06012b942204eb195dd25ae&oe=564F8988)



Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on July 20, 2015, 06:02:00 PM
Looks good, Joe.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 20, 2015, 06:36:04 PM
Thanks  :cheers:    Almost a roller.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: wheelrdealer on July 20, 2015, 08:47:20 PM
Nice work JavaJoe. I was through Nashville last week and was going to stop by but ran out of time before heading to the airport. I will bake in some time on the next trip.

Like the reports from caffeine central.

BR


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 20, 2015, 10:38:50 PM
You're welcome any time  :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 22, 2015, 11:53:21 AM
 Still have to add sway bar link tabs at some point but the first lower arm is done and the RF suspension is all mocked up. I have to build the upper coilover mount next and I want to think on that for a bit.

(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/10612800_741938145916082_5531035910059801770_n.jpg?oh=69effe610c569edab82ab012d25154e3&oe=561A911F)

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 Not a whole lot of room for headers but it's enough.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on August 07, 2015, 10:56:51 AM
Managed to fit some brakes up front. Willwood GP320 caliper and an off the shelf wilwood vented 11" rotor. Barely fits though. Had to grind off the top corners of the caliper.

(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11825641_747485152028048_2668663352391269838_n.jpg?oh=f60fd1f076c069e07140445b1dcf9fb0&oe=5639C2BC)

Then I got the steering sorted too...   We are bump adjustable on both ends of the tie rod. Excuse the lack of rod end back up washers. They will come later.

(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11822280_748541995255697_5447264020346348920_n.jpg?oh=cad7f0a0bc101ffc5bc5ea618be76414&oe=5652BE83)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Peter Jack on August 07, 2015, 12:10:51 PM
You continue to do really nice work Joe.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on August 07, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
 :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on August 09, 2015, 08:47:37 AM
Excellent work.

A lot of us could do with a cup of "Joe" or is that Coffey?. :-D :-D :-D

Great progress Joe. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on August 09, 2015, 02:32:14 PM
 :cheers:  Chris Coffey.   The joe is just part of the nickname


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on September 01, 2015, 06:47:30 PM
Ok so we made good progress this weekend. The car is pretty much a roller at this point just still attached to the chassis table. We finished the front suspension, knocked out some little widgets here and there and began really fitting the nose/hood assembly. Looks like with the car at about 3" of ride height, the roof is 47" off the ground and we have the ability to lower the car on to the frame.  Here are some pics. If you copy and paste the URL from any picture it will come up bigger.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11947678_759397904170106_6921844269362330673_n.jpg?oh=c715a9c5cd32535830f4f6465461a496&oe=5674A75D)

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(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/10376837_759397860836777_1688975319813635854_n.jpg?oh=150c8b7302228567023c890f709d0bda&oe=5662EF22)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11951178_759397847503445_5944851200072166859_n.jpg?oh=7dc5594cfe97cce45442022e49f807b2&oe=56766CC0)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on September 01, 2015, 06:48:37 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10610511_759397574170139_5920114550305710124_n.jpg?oh=0dd962872bf923b04a4abd76060d2b58&oe=5660BCED)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Glen on September 01, 2015, 08:03:49 PM
Really nice. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on September 01, 2015, 09:54:51 PM
Find another forum like this?.

You won't.

Awesome build Joe.

No small moves in what you.
That car is almost done.
Congrats brother. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on September 02, 2015, 08:36:59 AM
Thanks guys. Can't wait to put it on the ground but I want to finish the nose first.

 Here is another detail shot of the sway bar setup. Scored these arms and sway bar at a nascar auction years ago. They ended up working perfectly.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11220890_759401720836391_717557793371203300_n.jpg?oh=b677b8ecc28a76362966792c2f1671c9&oe=566A4B0B)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: sabat on September 02, 2015, 09:04:38 AM
That is beautiful. Always amazes me how pretty a bunch of metal can look. Thanks for posting  :cheers:  Dean


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on September 08, 2015, 08:37:08 AM
Thanks for looking!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 08, 2015, 12:18:24 PM
More first class work on what is going to be a really first class race car!!

Looking forward to the finished car.

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on September 08, 2015, 02:21:15 PM
Thanks guys. Can't wait to put it on the ground but I want to finish the nose first.

 Here is another detail shot of the sway bar setup. Scored these arms and sway bar at a nascar auction years ago. They ended up working perfectly.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11220890_759401720836391_717557793371203300_n.jpg?oh=b677b8ecc28a76362966792c2f1671c9&oe=566A4B0B)

Will that a-arm stand the bending stress of putting the pick up point in the middle of the tube? Looks nice!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on September 08, 2015, 11:07:45 PM
Thanks guys. Can't wait to put it on the ground but I want to finish the nose first.

 Here is another detail shot of the sway bar setup. Scored these arms and sway bar at a nascar auction years ago. They ended up working perfectly.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11220890_759401720836391_717557793371203300_n.jpg?oh=b677b8ecc28a76362966792c2f1671c9&oe=566A4B0B)

Will that a-arm stand the bending stress of putting the pick up point in the middle of the tube? Looks nice!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
. Thought about adding a rib to the arm over the sway bar pickup but the tubing is 1.5" x 1/4" wall dom. May still do that though. Thanks


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on November 09, 2015, 05:32:46 PM
Got the windows in last week from Shields. We went with 3/16" tinted for the back and sides and 1/4" clear for the front. All of it is hard coated for scratch resistance. I got the rear window done for the most part. I am not too happy with the way the allens and washers get along. The washers are actually meant for 100* heads and the allens I have are 82*. They aren't bad but I will be happier when they sit more flush.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12219484_784235541686342_8849116416192779556_n.jpg?oh=948028d8de4671b79b4d0839d0cb9aac&oe=56C5E687)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12190893_784235191686377_5060693916881585297_n.jpg?oh=e50a814dc9c240e255ac6cc42c2fd516&oe=56C46394)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: rouse on November 10, 2015, 09:03:29 AM
See what your talking about on the Countersink fit. I'd fix that if possible. Overall beautiful build.

Rouse


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on November 10, 2015, 09:25:22 AM
I want allen bolts but can't find any that fit these washers. I may just make a little die set to reform these washers. Probably won't take but a few minutes on the lathe then sit there with a hammer resetting the angle on the washers... The things we do for race cars  :roll:                  :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on November 10, 2015, 11:02:42 AM
Aerospace bolts fit those washers perfectly.
You should be able to find those but try get nuts with them.
The have weird thread sizes. :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jdincau on November 10, 2015, 11:35:09 AM
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/ms24694.php?recfer=17385

The stainless are nice.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: rouse on November 10, 2015, 11:37:48 AM
I want allen bolts but can't find any that fit these washers. I may just make a little die set to reform these washers. Probably won't take but a few minutes on the lathe then sit there with a hammer resetting the angle on the washers... The things we do for race cars  :roll:                  :cheers:

That's probably going to be the quickest and best route to take. At least then you can get bolts anywhere off the shelf.

There are some cases where we use Phillips drives instead of Allan's on small sizes because they don't strip out as easy.

Rouse


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on November 11, 2015, 11:25:37 AM
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/ms24694.php?recfer=17385

The stainless are nice.

Aerospace stuff has almost all 100 degree countersunk heads-- bolts, screws & rivets. The screws are usually 10-32 and most bolts are also fine thread. Try eBay- you may find what you are looking for there.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: bbarn on November 11, 2015, 11:39:59 AM
Neil is correct, those are 100 degree heads on those bolts. Aircraft Spruce has them and the washers. They are 10-32 as well...

We used more than a couple on our car. We also sell a tool that countersinks the profile for those washers so they can be flush mounted.

(http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac92/bbarnhart_photos/496%20Liner%20Build/IMAG0628_zps1acec133.jpg)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on November 11, 2015, 01:59:07 PM
Chris, lots of the old pic links aren't working.  Is it just me??


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: fredvance on November 11, 2015, 02:52:27 PM
They all work for me.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on November 12, 2015, 01:25:38 PM
http://bangshift.com/general-news/car-features/bangshift-project-files-a-land-speed-racing-pontiac-firebird-that-intends-to-take-on-several-records/


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on November 13, 2015, 10:28:29 AM
We went with 316 SS allens for the better corrosion resistance.   The bolts in the front windshield pretty much reset the angle in the washer by themselves as they bolt down tighter against the solid rubber under the glass. The rears are compressing dense foam that spaces the window up flush with the hatch so they didn't "self correct" if you will. I will fix that.  The front windshield frame is perfect for bolting straight into it. I used knurled steel rivnuts. Turned out great!

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Daryl I have noticed from time to time that the pics don't show up. Not sure why


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 18, 2015, 10:55:37 AM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/1545557_798262373616992_2768547908864413405_n.jpg?oh=92a0b338116adf9cd9227943fb0b436b&oe=571DCC17)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12359882_798262210283675_1309676288475383980_n.jpg?oh=0422b39b551a88ce41b9b97f0bf27f98&oe=571C3B8F)

Bent up and fit the first of several tubes that will make the rear structure. This one follows the perimeter of the trunk opening. Adding braces up to the main hoop today. The chute anchor will come though the bumper area at 30" off the table so about 20" from the ground when at ride height. It will attach ultimately to the cage, forward of the axle.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 18, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
Today's progress. Built the chute anchor point. May still add some bracing to it. Trying to keep the space back there open on both sides to accommodate a water tank and a fuel tank as well as a 5" exhaust that will come out the center at the very bottom. I also have in progress the mounts for the chute dual spring launcher chute packs. You can see to difference in chute anchor height from the previous version of the car. MUCH lower this go round.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on December 18, 2015, 07:28:23 PM
If you spin with the chute out will the sideways pull be OK?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: bvillercr on December 18, 2015, 09:18:22 PM
Neil,  look two photos above the chute pipe.  It looks like it's heavily braced inside the car.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on December 18, 2015, 10:08:51 PM
It looks like a long skinny tube to me- OK in tension ( a straight pull from the chute) but what keeps it from bending sideways?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 18, 2015, 11:17:45 PM
It's braced in all directions really and the part passing out through the bumper is 1.5" x .250" dom. Probably going to add a brace where it curves over the differential up to the bar above it.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: bvillercr on December 19, 2015, 12:42:35 AM
Was my post invisible?  Lol. 


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: RidgeRunner on December 19, 2015, 07:19:32 AM
Not here. 

I had missed the details in the original pic.  Things looked much better after I went back and looked again, thanks for the post pointing out the triangulated lateral braces just inside the rear of the body.

      Ed


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: SPARKY on December 19, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
I also am missing most of the earlier posted picts.  but now I see what you guys have been raving about.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on December 19, 2015, 12:28:48 PM
OK, now I see it. I didn't realize the bracing was on the chute tube. Looks good!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 28, 2015, 04:51:01 PM
 Finished the chute pack mounts, anchors and push bar. We are using stroud spring launcher chutes with air powered remote release system.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on December 28, 2015, 04:51:19 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1013339_803402203103009_5095381611387742369_n.jpg?oh=48a25c94e732c23c4b96027a1c194174&oe=56FE3E2E)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on December 28, 2015, 04:58:30 PM
And a new Facebook page....

https://www.facebook.com/Breaking-Wind-LSR-Firebird-417414188469880/


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 25, 2016, 02:51:24 PM
Made some progress on the driveshaft containment and the transmission sliders. Planning on fabbing the driveshaft tunnel from two layers of 16ga steel

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(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12670893_847729878670241_6479527588165160466_n.jpg?oh=6c01662bf9fe8c8a03def2f0aa5bd9a2&oe=57820B6B)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12400535_847729888670240_7986595097065704096_n.jpg?oh=995952012e3bd28ab5a6863897c64217&oe=578CFFCB)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12472416_847729898670239_7461005335209818544_n.jpg?oh=1b7cc624875dfa1e5880baca0b5342d8&oe=574A31BB)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on March 26, 2016, 03:59:58 AM
Looks like a stout piece. :cheers:
Always love seeing your work. 8-)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 28, 2016, 09:11:17 AM
Looks like a stout piece. :cheers:
Always love seeing your work. 8-)

Thanks man. Trying to overbuild everything on this car.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: wheelrdealer on April 07, 2016, 05:10:02 PM
I was in Java's neighborhood yesterday while traveling through Nashville, TN. Chris was nice enough to stop what he was doing and spend a few minutes with me at his shop. I wanted to see the 9614 Firebird. The last time I saw this car it was a caged uni-body car.  I ended up buying the quick change out of. I can tell you first hand the workmanship is as good as it gets.

Thanks Chris.

BR
 


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 10, 2016, 04:34:35 PM
Thanks!!  Glad you could stop by


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 12, 2016, 12:42:04 PM
Bill,

I hope you are coming to the Ohio race coming up.  And glad we have your stamp of approval :)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on April 26, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
I know alot of the pics don't work anymore so here is the link to the album on my shop facebook page. Don't be afraid old timers :)  https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.486569108119655.1073741841.411780185598548&type=3


 Here is the latest progress. We initially managed to package some brakes within the front wheels and it was pretty tight. Using an 11"  wilwood rear rotor meant for an integrated parking brake and Wilwood GP320 calipers, it all fit with a bit of clearancing to the edges of the calipers. These are small 4 piston calipers that are basically motorcycle calipers with a spacer in them for a wider rotor. The pads are small and thin. My initial thought was that one stop from a fast mile pass would use up the pads so Daryl wanted to add another pair of calipers. The first pair used the stock coleman caliper bracket with spacers to bolt them to the upright. For the second pair we again used the stock coleman brackets and I machined some lugs for them to bolt to, fixtured that all up and welded the lugs to the uprights. It was fun talking to Wilwood about this setup. When they asked about vehicle weight, speed and stopping distance and I said 6000lbs, 280mph and less than 1 mile to stop, they were definitely surprised. Not to worry I said, we have 2 parachutes!!

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(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/13076576_866426883467207_7315669094937249175_n.jpg?oh=9035740a2bab8bda63c32dfd03b715fd&oe=57A8D22B)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11141285_866426910133871_6650739477563407720_n.jpg?oh=c92d0d4efe1bfbaefee090e2f4c6e339&oe=57AD1683)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 26, 2016, 11:19:17 AM
As usual, darn nice work and great engineering. You are making great progress!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 12, 2016, 10:59:08 AM
So I've been asked to push hard on finishing my portion of the build so stay tuned for more updates in the next couple months. Daryl is hoping to make speedweek!!! 2016!!! Yikes!!  Here is the album link. Most recent work is at the bottom. I can't imbed pictures right now so feel free to imbed any pics you want. We just took off the body to finish weld the cage and add more tubes and gussets. Please chime in on any ideas for bars you think I should add. As of now I will be adding a diagonal in the main hoop behind the driver and also tubes from the a pillar junction with the roof bars down through the door bars and on to the frame rails. Gussets will be tube gussets at major junctions.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.486569108119655.1073741841.411780185598548&type=3


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 18, 2016, 05:43:57 PM
Ok so here are the latest pics of progress. Been working hard for the last week or so.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 18, 2016, 05:48:05 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 18, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13227165_878392482270647_1424656351457585199_n.jpg?oh=22fbd761adb7a6fcc34727d0bc8b0350&oe=57D2CDE2)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13266081_878392495603979_3567299513214073104_n.jpg?oh=19b410d440d96f2ab48aec954ed9a73f&oe=57996184)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: bvillercr on May 19, 2016, 01:57:53 AM
Best of luck making Speed week, but yikes is definitely an understatement.  Car looks great too!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 19, 2016, 09:13:50 AM
Best of luck making Speed week, but yikes is definitely an understatement.  Car looks great too!

Thanks! Yeah the body is going back on soon but I still have a rear wing and tubs to make and a nose to mount. Not to mention a fuel tank, radiator in a tank, ice tank etc... Then our other buddy is making the headers, exhaust and intercooler plumbing. All major components that aren't to be fabbed are in place or ready to be. But yikes no doubt!!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on May 19, 2016, 09:15:16 PM
Awesome work as usual Joe.
Have faith, you'll get it done. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 20, 2016, 11:56:12 AM
Joe,
It is not hard to look at a build like yours and nit pick it for small things that we all may have done slightly different but on your build it is impossible to find anything that is not well engineered and masterfully fabricated. As always nice work and can't wait to see it at the salt.

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 20, 2016, 06:35:53 PM
Wow! Thanks. That means alot!!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 06, 2016, 02:51:56 PM
It's been a long time coming but today I got the firebird on the "ground" with the belly plate bolted on so it's officially a rolling chassis and it's really low!!

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on June 06, 2016, 05:50:48 PM
JJ;

That's quite a belly plate! Any idea what it will weigh?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Buickguy3 on June 06, 2016, 08:50:17 PM
   I just bought a 4'X41/2' piece that was I believe 257#. Weight down low is good, Right?
    Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Buickguy3 on June 06, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
  Oops, 3/8th's.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Stan Back on June 06, 2016, 09:01:00 PM
4x4x.375?


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 06, 2016, 10:42:17 PM
This is roughly 5'x5'. It's 1/4". I don't have a weight but it ain't light. I guess around 250lbs according to internet.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Peter Jack on June 07, 2016, 12:52:06 AM
The weight for steel plate is 10.2 pounds per square foot. When I'm trying to figure the weight of anything made from steel you can derive it from that number.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 07, 2016, 06:01:38 AM
PJ, 10.2 #/sq. ft. -- for all thicknesses? :evil:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on June 07, 2016, 06:18:17 AM
All those weights are confusing me. :-D
What isn't confusing is the quality of the build.
Way to go Joe. It looks right and will go just as good. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Peter Jack on June 07, 2016, 07:31:31 AM
PJ, 10.2 #/sq. ft. -- for all thicknesses? :evil:

Missed one small detail Slim. I was thinking it!  :roll: :roll: :roll:

1/4" plate is what I was intending.  :-D :-D :-D

Old age strikes again! It seems to do that a little more often these days.  :? :? :?

Pete


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 07, 2016, 08:48:13 AM
I added some gussets to the cage yesterday and the body is going back on today. Building the nose structure this weekend. Still plenty of engine bay space for turbos and intercooler. It's the 5" exhaust all the way out the back that will be the challenge.


All those weights are confusing me. :-D
What isn't confusing is the quality of the build.
Way to go Joe. It looks right and will go just as good. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

 :cheers: :cheers:

Weight down low is good, Right?
    Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

 That's my thoughts as well  :cheers:  

 I used the 10.2 lbs figure to calculate it. We can also pack the main frame rails with lead from the back side but I'm thinking this thing will be 5k lbs without ballast.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Stan Back on June 07, 2016, 01:38:24 PM
I've got steel at .283 pounds per cubic inch, lead at .409 pounds per cubic inch.

(Or, I wonder it those numbers were 1962 Chevy displacements?)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 07, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
Well, yes, they were. :roll:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Peter Jack on June 07, 2016, 03:41:35 PM
I've got steel at .283 pounds per cubic inch, lead at .409 pounds per cubic inch.

(Or, I wonder it those numbers were 1962 Chevy displacements?)

Those numbers do bring back some fond Chevy memories. When I run .283 through the calculator it comes out to 10.188 which is close enough to 10.2 for me.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 07, 2016, 03:51:05 PM
Can't wait to get back up there this weekend and play some more!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 08, 2016, 06:10:20 PM
Getting the nose mounted today. Got the body back on the other day and finished one of the tubs.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 13, 2016, 09:04:32 AM
Lot's of little stuff done this weekend and made progress on some big stuff. Got the 4000hp intercooler mounted and got started on the rear wing.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 13, 2016, 05:32:09 PM
Couple more wing pics. Spill plates will be at maximum allowable size.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13428655_892149047561657_59596474732886845_n.jpg?oh=565166f7631add661e84e1e067ebe017&oe=57C25CBF)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: bvillercr on June 23, 2016, 10:56:19 PM
Looking great!!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on June 24, 2016, 01:50:41 AM
Joe, we all need some Coffey!!!!!!.
If I had the choice you'd be building my liner.
Those photos tell more about you and your skills than you know.
God Bless you. You deserve all the good you get. Mike. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 25, 2016, 11:37:25 AM
Thanks Guys!!  :cheers: :cheers:

Tauruck hit me up when you are ready for that liner :)

Here are some more wing pics.. Got the main flap made and the tube across the back of it for attaching the support struts from below. Also came up with simple little adjustable gurney flap.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13466451_897954036981158_8432817883983979119_n.jpg?oh=14cef42e5417c6bdfa2fb2549ee83acb&oe=57FBAA47)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 29, 2016, 09:42:56 AM
Almost done with the wing. All I have left are the tethers that will limit the travel like a roof flap. I am actually using tethers from a set of nascar roof flaps. In the event of a spin the wing element will flip up. Also with the quik latch hood pins, camlocs and push pins, there is no need for any tools to open the rear hatch.

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on June 30, 2016, 01:50:40 PM
Here are the rest of the wing build pics.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13528952_900871543356074_5505552646184275763_n.jpg?oh=1bada910077db172449dcb41dbde1c45&oe=580B5074)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 30, 2016, 05:06:05 PM
more progress = gooder!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 11, 2016, 10:34:25 AM
So this past week we made large amounts of progress.

First off I finished mounting the fuel tank and fabbed and mounted the radiator in a tank.

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(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13606682_904476689662226_1674235182994055969_n.jpg?oh=dcc9c1b576775f767959a463dbe21853&oe=57F10905)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 11, 2016, 10:43:23 AM
Next I got the door windows mounted and braced.

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(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13599854_906194172823811_3222488088978638088_n.jpg?oh=e01606045696b1e27012e07a7ae0d168&oe=57EFF91B[img])https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13659013_906194182823810_8494994457687913495_n.jpg?oh=73f58497e3f9e2e5608a84bba8da813d&oe=582AE485[/img]


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 11, 2016, 10:58:21 AM
Next came turbo mounting and some header progress. Our initial plan was to put the turbos up front but once we had the intercooler mounted, it became apparent that we couldn't fit them up there let alone have room for the exhaust and intercooler pipes up there as well, PLUS fitting a 5" exhaust back past the engine, and through the firewall. So we mounted them back by the firewall and as you can see, I had to cut out some tubing to make way for that. Once the headers are done I will redo those braces to fit around it all. The intercooler pipes will sit outside those tubes, above the upper control arms, then turn inward to go into the intercooler. Spark plug access will actually be pretty easy with the nose off of the car.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13659005_906613072781921_3992378642922201000_n.jpg?oh=52000200c4f029120ef82049fc168775&oe=58263D9C)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 11, 2016, 11:01:12 AM
Then finally I got the hood camlocs installed and Daryl learned how to use the bead roller and made some rear sheet metal

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 11, 2016, 12:17:05 PM
You guys are busting A$$!!!!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 11, 2016, 05:23:10 PM
 :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Brickster on July 11, 2016, 10:31:49 PM
Looks like you guys made good progress over the weekend


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: fordboy628 on July 12, 2016, 04:54:15 AM
All I can say is:

WOW!!



Amazing fabrication skills!!

 :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Glen on July 12, 2016, 10:28:33 AM
Really nice work. :cheers:






Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on July 21, 2016, 12:20:19 PM
Joe, you're really on a roll.
That's a lot of work you got done.
As always the skill and finish is top notch. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 22, 2016, 02:15:12 PM
Thanks again everyone!!    :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

So my work on the firebird is done. I have had this car at my shop since I moved to my current spot. Nearly 3 years. It is off to the owner in Texas for the finishing touches. Lots of paint, plumbing, wiring and body work left to do. It should race later this year. Possible at Bonneville in September. I will get to drive it at some point as well. I am really happy with how it turned out and I think it will be a very stable car.



Anyway these are the last few pics and here is the album link to see the entire build process.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.486569108119655.1073741841.411780185598548&type=1&l=49167d543d (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.486569108119655.1073741841.411780185598548&type=1&l=49167d543d)

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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 22, 2016, 02:16:17 PM


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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Finallygotit on July 28, 2016, 07:50:11 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on July 29, 2016, 12:39:54 AM
Awesome quality Joe. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
My question is "what do you do for an encore?''. :-D


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on July 29, 2016, 07:47:08 AM
The car is now back home after being "away at college" for too long. It could have an advanced degree by now.

It's practically done now. All that's left to do now...
mount wastegates
final weld headers
build cold side piping
mount intercooler waterbox
plumb all cooling and intercooler
plumb all fuel
make brake lines
replace master cylinders
make hydraulic clutch system
set up 3 disc clutch
make window net
run fire bottle lines
mount chute release
mount trans shifter and all CO2 bottles
disassemble entire car and paint
reassemble car
and
and
and...



Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: SPARKY on July 29, 2016, 08:16:21 AM
the ands never stop the print just gets smaller.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on July 29, 2016, 09:57:21 AM
Awesome quality Joe. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
My question is "what do you do for an encore?''. :-D

Thanks everyone! I can't wait to see it run and maybe get some passes in it.

I may have a diesel truck LSR build next. We'll see. Meantime I have my regular cage work and other fab work to do. I've also acquired a new rig for my expedition camper build. 4WD, cummins powered Isuzu NPR chassis.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13690616_911087405667821_3983466324823339065_n.jpg?oh=b21c40a94bf6f4debf87b7956a259aa1&oe=58184E8F)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on July 30, 2016, 03:02:37 AM
Looks nice Joe.
That will keep you busy for hours. :-D


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Brickster on August 19, 2016, 11:40:32 PM
Awesome quality Joe. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
My question is "what do you do for an encore?''. :-D

Thanks everyone! I can't wait to see it run and maybe get some passes in it.

I may have a diesel truck LSR build next. We'll see. Meantime I have my regular cage work and other fab work to do. I've also acquired a new rig for my expedition camper build. 4WD, cummins powered Isuzu NPR chassis.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13690616_911087405667821_3983466324823339065_n.jpg?oh=b21c40a94bf6f4debf87b7956a259aa1&oe=58184E8F)

Isn't that the xtreme off road Isuzu? If so what's the story of getting it?


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on September 07, 2016, 09:48:28 PM
I am doing some work for power nation soon. The NPR was sitting there collecting dust and I made an offer on it. Score!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on January 15, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Between working and travel, it is tough to get this dang thing finished....

Some updated pics

I was trying to figure out the clutch situation a while back and this is what I came up with. I have 8 5/8 can with a twin disc Hays. The way the chassis is built I can't run the manual pedal lever as you would normally do. Also, using a Lenco, I have yet to find a supplier who makes a hydraulic slip on bearing that I can use. So I got this hydraulic slave unit and welded a mount to my housing and will run it from a typical Wilwood clutch master. Let's hope it works :)

https://pix.sfly.com/Rnm29f
https://pix.sfly.com/Wp8Br4

Looks like shutterfly doesn't like to load and photobucket is taking a dump right now....


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on January 15, 2017, 05:42:04 PM
Lets try again

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_5242.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_5242.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_5243.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_5243.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_5252.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_5252.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on January 15, 2017, 05:53:50 PM
Also finally set the front and rear suspension.

4 link is set 65.5 inches out and 6.125" above ground.

Front is set with 0.75 deg neg camber, 14 deg KPI, +9.5 deg caster, bump steer -0.001"/+.010" at 1" drop/1" compression, 1" body rake across the length of wheelbase, 1 deg neg camber gain at 1" droop, 0 deg camber change at 1" compression.

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0060.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0060.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0063.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0063.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: 37str on January 15, 2017, 07:48:13 PM
Looking at your pictures, is it legal to build a spoiler on to a stock spoiler. I would think you would have to do one or the other. Does not look legal to me


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on January 15, 2017, 10:18:26 PM
Spoiler meets all the rules in the book. 10 in chord at the centerline. It is mounted to the factory hatch lid.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on February 12, 2017, 02:30:52 PM
Wrapped the headers
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0094.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0094.jpg.html)

This is the orientation of the clutch slave
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0097.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0097.jpg.html)

First time in the sun in a while. hosing out the trash and doing touch up paint. Finished all the fire system plumbing, one on each side of the pan, one by my feet and one by my head facing down. finished intercooler plumbing. Still need to finish radiator plumbing but that is the red hose in the pic. Two of those will run through the 4" steel tube running through cockpit.
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0224.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0224.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0229.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0229.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0231.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0231.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0226.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0226.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0227.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0227.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on March 21, 2017, 02:01:36 PM
Time to put in the spaghetti. Thanks to Painless Wiring and to DIY Autotune for the support!!!!
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_4243.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_4243.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0399.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0399.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0400.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0400.jpg.html)

IQ3 dash
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0404.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0404.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0417.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0417.jpg.html)

Barfing some wires
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0419.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0419.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0420.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0420.jpg.html)

Hooking up sensors
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0492.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0492.jpg.html)

Weatherpak everything...

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0504.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0504.jpg.html)

Life (electrical at least)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0508.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0508.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on March 21, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
Keeping the heat out

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0336.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0336.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0495.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0495.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0332.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_0332.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on March 21, 2017, 02:47:28 PM
Scary!!!!!!. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on May 29, 2017, 07:42:02 PM
Looking good Daryl. I've been busy and haven't checked in here in a while.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on May 31, 2017, 03:40:38 PM
Only took a little while to get to this point... Got her fired up for the first time this weekend!

https://youtu.be/96rxpu5AWx4


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on June 02, 2017, 12:46:24 AM
I agree with Joe. Awesome amount of work in there.
Way to go Daryl. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 13, 2017, 08:56:31 AM
Looking more like a car
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_1195.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_1195.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_1199.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_1199.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_1200.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_1200.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/chwdhw/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_1205.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/chwdhw/media/Breaking%20Wind%20Firebird%20Build/IMG_1205.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: SPARKY on June 13, 2017, 09:21:07 AM
looks great PM sent about the clutch


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on June 13, 2017, 09:35:19 AM
Daryl;

Very nice build!

In the last photo, it looks like there is a gap between the front of the spoiler and the trunk lid. If so, this will be interpreted as a "wing" since air  can flow over both the top and bottom of the surface. This was pointed out to me when I posted pictures of my spoiler. I blocked the underside air flow to solve that rule interpretation.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 13, 2017, 12:04:19 PM
Manta,

I see what you are talking about. It is just a reflection though. The aluminum spoiler goes all the way and connects completely with the decklid.

thanks!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on June 13, 2017, 08:29:47 PM
Good news, Daryl. I have to add a bit to mine to block off the underside airflow but it looks easy. (famous last words)  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 23, 2017, 10:40:42 AM
I see that the friendly Photobucket people are now holding all of my pics hostage so I have to reload them individually. Not sure what other hosting service to use. Tyring our Google Photos for now.  Advice???



Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jl222 on August 23, 2017, 01:28:23 PM

  Came up for me...looks good. Good luck at World of Speed. Monty says new courses.


                               JL222


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on September 07, 2017, 07:21:40 AM
I spent the long weekend with my friends in Nashville working on getting the car ready. Erin from Carma Performance did a helluva job tuning the engine. Knowing that the conditions are sketchy and everything on the car except the lower door jambs and rear quarters is new (literally!) we didn't want to set it on kill. Still, Erin got a solid 1241 RWHP out of it at 12 psi on 91 octane pump gas from the local Shell station. We will run the race gas on site to start out in the Gas class and it is nice to have little extra octane for safety.

Brought the car back to Dallas yesterday and now I have 3 weeks of work to get it ready, in about 8 days....


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on September 07, 2017, 07:30:31 AM
Borrowed some 3.30 gears from Kris Henderson (200mph  Jaguar MkIII) to keep the speed from getting out of control on the dyno. Peak power is at 6800 and we have a 7000rpm progressive rev limiter on it.
 (https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21270774_10214329369015214_7914472302030303081_n.jpg?oh=5da478f1d42cc4bdfe0ea00749e43f6a&oe=5A17B2E8)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on September 19, 2017, 08:23:28 AM
getting ready for WF. As I am now taking both the car and the SC-BG100 scooter, I have run out of room on my 18' open trailer. So now we have the combo pushbar/scooter transport unit all set up
(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21557630_10214447850977189_2552427027975972891_n.jpg?oh=4b190b98e70212293f03be075e297637&oe=5A40B834)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on September 19, 2017, 08:25:55 AM
The proper use of this device is critical.

(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21752481_10214418223236514_7606107743419504958_n.jpg?oh=150e220e62d69c98865f84c14dd1110a&oe=5A538DB8)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on February 28, 2018, 02:26:15 PM
Don't know why the pictures keep disappearing from here.

Anyhow, we swapped out the non-functional old clutch with a shiny new Boninfante clutch this weekend. Love it!

https://youtu.be/X15M7GDJNns (https://youtu.be/X15M7GDJNns)



Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 15, 2018, 10:12:30 AM
Isn't she pretty now?

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29214261_1428622840580939_8457348041628636975_n.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeFF-VqwLLaMboEK0Wx2QDjIcJ0xLPrdXdtQsaN7ItzK7eASgHiaE43OYqTNoz5W7wWs8fcGsVnC-TU12oM1WqRQe8Pv-2MByRCKl_Zdu5Wpuw&oh=f7ae53cb63b545b9bce320c248d269a4&oe=5B4AAF8E)

It's a far cry from this one from 4 years ago.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/1921061_511124928997406_2056891949_o.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeFHnl2bU02-VoReKu1a0E0VxYiBEWuUmpliTWPH5FFgRsatJaJ8xUdenlNW6nrEr6ugZp9mciTvK-PlB9_vtSWSFPkMCSFZqNMEt_7xRCWjGg&oh=822680ec692581fa6c51098c2dedf368&oe=5B4A4366)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Peter Jack on March 15, 2018, 02:08:06 PM

That is such a nice build. Good luck with it.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: wheelrdealer on March 15, 2018, 05:54:18 PM
Looks great.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on March 16, 2018, 09:59:37 AM
Several of us are meeting Daryl in Arkansas next month to run the mile race there. I am really excited to see this car move under it's own power.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on March 16, 2018, 08:56:33 PM
picking it up from paint tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing it in person.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 17, 2018, 01:38:49 PM
I am wiht Pete, it is such a nice build and has been great to watch the progress. Have fun and go FAST!!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 04, 2018, 02:27:01 PM
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29598239_10216181684441942_3328387195860390182_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=1a17cf9edaff28afba723e6f9d1c63a0&oe=5B6D3D71)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29792576_10216181684481943_5807344996921966472_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=f0603303d256b337334bc411628ed29c&oe=5B6843A0)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29694876_10216181685281963_5009804936527940295_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=3f2774df160d6ca3a6cd7f30730193db&oe=5B668157)
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 04, 2018, 02:28:51 PM
Just idling along and ready for fun :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Q7GYrPSDQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Q7GYrPSDQ)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on April 04, 2018, 03:17:23 PM
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Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Peter Jack on April 04, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
I got the same result.

Pete


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: bubruins on April 05, 2018, 08:04:07 AM
On Chrome I was able to watch it by clicking the "Watch on Facebook" link. Car looks ready! I can't wait to see it next weekend.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 05, 2018, 01:32:23 PM
Another reason that Face Book sucks!!!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
I used to post everything on Photobucket. What is the best way to post pics and videos now?


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 04:08:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Q7GYrPSDQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Q7GYrPSDQ)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 04:09:11 PM
https://youtu.be/Be-EiI12U5A (https://youtu.be/Be-EiI12U5A)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 04:12:43 PM
Another reason that Face Book sucks!!!

Rex

Ok I think I got this posting videos thing fixed. At least until YouTube takes a dump like Photobucket did...


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 04:16:27 PM
Pre paint runaround in quick time :)

https://youtu.be/wZWp9I73bTQ (https://youtu.be/wZWp9I73bTQ)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 04:18:56 PM
Testing out the chute launcher

https://youtu.be/p5uTcQ4GH3E (https://youtu.be/p5uTcQ4GH3E)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 04:24:37 PM
Made some inner fender wells

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/29871871_773701599507802_814372533748244875_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=9149793a9daf54149b4d4b84db70dc24&oe=5B327D8E)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 04:27:05 PM
Combination pushbar/scooter transport  :-D

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/29873289_773701926174436_2046794464497640312_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=1e1f9a305139fbbd55d7d39e3e525d4b&oe=5B66EF38)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/30171079_773701949507767_3191000993305235671_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=5fb7b7500d05fb8b1e169cfca3e52ae6&oe=5B62D53D)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 04:31:16 PM
Just want to say thanks again to Painless Performance for the support and the great products!

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/13221244_465919153619383_7641350753613944025_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=3c913c1b79f40d4c9fc30debbcb9db36&oe=5B6486F1)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/13173307_465919163619382_3840666477175780394_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=f576eee4d7ca22d4c26f2386507429de&oe=5B6C602F)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/13227765_465919176952714_8021089630948630157_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=3ac3e76cb8471f861547453bc3603780&oe=5B316022)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/13217448_465919170286048_8960394359842669618_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=25d304ce90289a9080591e6ecb991e65&oe=5B73598B)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: SPARKY on April 07, 2018, 04:59:12 PM
 :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:   I tried to go back through the build  I couldn't get any of the picts to open


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 07, 2018, 05:11:21 PM
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:   I tried to go back through the build  I couldn't get any of the picts to open

Big thanks to Photobucket for that. I lost tons of pics when they hosed us. I do have most of the build pics but the best place to look at a lot of the early build pics is on JavaJoe's Facebook page (Coffey Fabrication) here https://www.facebook.com/pg/CoffeyFabrication/photos/?tab=album&album_id=486569108119655


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 07, 2018, 09:32:16 PM
I paid for a Flickr account.  Lost all my Photobucket links, but downloaded all the pics and closed the account.  Yeah, destroyed 70 percent of my build diary.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 09, 2018, 09:55:04 PM
Scaled the car today and am pretty happy with the starting point. I know I'll catch hell but my Intercooler tank is not totally full and is about 30lb light. It sits where a passenger would sit. Otherwise this is with full fluids and me.

LF - 1100
RF - 1095
LR -1200
RR - 1178

total - 4573
L/R = 50.3%
Rear bias 52.0%
Cross weight 50.2%
CG = 6.3" off the ground

It still sits about an inch lower than I really want but will be ok for Arkansas this week. I need to get other front shocks to raise the front any more. The .250" thick steel floor pan really helped get the weight low.

I'll figure out if it goes straight soon enough!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: SPARKY on April 09, 2018, 11:10:35 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 14, 2018, 09:33:41 PM
Made a couple licensing runs at the Arkansas Mile today at 146 and 172. Clearly I need a bunch more first and second gear in the 3sp lenco.4 sp would be better but that is a bigger project. Wind has been hell and it rained all morning. I was happy to get two runs in today but it may be too windy again tomorrow. We'll see.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: SPARKY on April 14, 2018, 11:19:16 PM
sounds like you are having a good first outing!!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on April 17, 2018, 07:47:03 AM
Sunday morning was pretty good. We went out for what I planned as a balls out run. Had the pedal to the floor and it ran fine but just didn't feel like it had the power it should have. Ran 199.3, which is ok but far from what I had expected. We contemplated loading it up as I had a plane to catch in Nashville but I got talked into getting back in line and caught a break when Kris Henderson (63 Jag which ran 200) offered me his place further up in line. Got strapped in and waiting for the wind to die down I was just running the throttle pedal back and forth and could see under the cowl hood that it didn't look like the throttle was going all the way open. I had my guys pull off the hood and sure enough, I was only getting around 40% throttle. That accounts for the lack of power!
They fixed it and put the hood back on whereupon I continued to wait for the wind. I hit my hard out time and we had to pull out of line to load up and make my flight, so no true balls out run for me :(

Key is that I made three solid passes, the car runs straight and stops, the chutes work, and I feel much more comfortable driving it. Success.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 01, 2018, 08:12:09 AM
Getting ready to run again this weekend. Looking at the datalogs, we had 49% throttle and about 3psi boost at the last event. Fixed the throttle so I'm looking forward to much better than 200 now!

A bunch of folks got good pics in Hot Rod
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/2018-ecta-arkansas-1-mile-challenge-mega-gallery-results/#133_ecta-hot-rod-top-speed-challenge-2


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 14, 2018, 06:42:56 AM
Went back out to Arkansas a couple weeks ago for more testing. Figured out more stuff.
1. car went 213 on 11psi
2. car went 214.8 on 15psi but now the fuel system looks like its dropping off and we got super lean.
3. the clutch must be adjusted after 3 passes. It is a twin disc Boninfante deal and I need to do some tweaking in the greenhouse so I can adjust the clutch in 30 minutes instead of 3 hours.

Apparently I chose the wrong fuel filter and it is a big restriction and killing the pumps. Got to fix that and maybe replace the pumps.

Got to make a quick disconnect firewall so I can get to the bellhousing without removing the driver's seat and surrounding sheetmetal.

Otherwise the car is Dodge easy to drive and goes really straight.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 14, 2018, 03:41:45 PM
Just a couple of comments: On you fuel fiter challenge, are you running a filter between the fuel cell and the pump? If so that filter needs to be very large, probably at least a -12 fitting size and the element needs to be fairly coarse screen, not paper or F glass. The real filtration should be done with a 10 micron screen filter on the outlet of the pump, again the bigger the better. Check and clean both filters often.

Are you referencing the the manifold pressure to your fuel regulator? The amount of fuel that passes through the injector is dependent upon differential pressure, i.e if the manifold pressure goes up then the fuel pressure must also increase the same amount or you will go lean! Most good pressure regulators have a fitting on the adjustment side which will allow you to connect this side of the regulator to the engine inlet manifold down stream of the blower. Do not use anything larger than 1/4 inch tube or stainless hose. If it gets to large it will become unstable.

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 15, 2018, 10:32:43 PM
Hi Rex, I have two Holley 130gph pumps mounted inside the fuel tank with inlet socks on them. The two run on independent electrical circuits but the lines join into a single -10 outside the tank. The external filter was 26 micron. It was a now discontinued Holley filter that looks like an Oberg UFO. I didn't check the flow limitation of that filter, which was my mistake, and there is no direct info on it now, but the Oberg version is limited to around 90 or so gph. I was normally just turning on one pump for piddling around but then turning on both for the full passes. With both pumps on, the filter just couldn't flow so it was overworking the pumps. Now installing an inline Holley filter rated at 260gph.

This issue also set me to doing some hand calcs to verify my fuel system was otherwise up to the task. I went and checked the fuel pump ratings again, which advertise at 130gph, but are really only 88gph at 60psi or100gph at 43psi. Under boost then and using rough calcs, 88gph x 2 pumps = 176gph. At .6 BSFC, it takes 175gph to feed 1800hp, which is about all I am going to use for now. Also it takes 135 lb/hr injectors. I have Holley 160lb/hr injectors so I'm ok there. And the fuel pump/filter, lines are all now ok to that level as well. As a side note, we used this same engine/turbo/fuel injector combination in a previous car and it started running out of injector (maxed out duty cycle) by around 25lb boost level, which should be about 2100hp or so. I need to get comfy with the car at speed for a while and see what it can do at this power level, so I'm not going to be turning it up that high.

Yes, I'm referencing the manifold pressure. It was all working correctly on the dyno and through the first few runs, but then the logs show fuel pressure was climbing, as it is supposed to, but then would start dropping under higher boost/load/rpm, indicating fuel starvation. Fortunately I was on C16 so nothing got hurt, but it was up around 14:1 at points.



Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jacksoni on June 16, 2018, 09:05:37 AM
FWIW Aeromotive (which has nothing to do with your system I understand) recommends a 100micron filter on the inlet to the pump, 10 micron on the outlet. Basically just supporting what Rex has suggested. If you restrict the inlet to the pump, it cooks them.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: SPARKY on June 16, 2018, 01:38:05 PM
I would suggest going to a mechanical pump to run the boost referenced EFI injectors; you may have to run a remote tank for it but it WORKS.

   Inspectors kid me about my big lines 12 to the pump and 10 from the pump to the pressure regulator 10 to the final filter 10 to the y and 8 from the y to the carbs. The pump--  its big enough to feed 1800 HP on alky-

-I run na gas---but I have never had any starvation issues


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 16, 2018, 02:00:26 PM
Good that you checked the pump flow at your needed pressure. To many people think that if it is rated at 130 gph it is that at all pressures. Pump leak internally from the high pressure side to the low pressure side (intake) and the amount they leak is related to the quality of the pump and the viscosity of the fluid being pumped, so fuels  like gas or methanol have very high leakage. This, as you are finding out, can become a problem as your boost is increased as the fuel pressure  also needs to be raised and this just increases the pump internal leakage and reduces output. It certainly looks like you could use more pumps or higher output pumps at least. One of the things that most don't consider is that the fuel pressure regulator valve has a flow/pressure range that it is most efficient/accurate at and it needs a excess of inlet fuel flow to properly modulate the fuel pressure to engine. We are all dazzled about top fuel and funny car engines using 120 gpm (gallon per minute) pumps but a large portion of that fuel flow is routed back to the fuel tank or the pumps inlet port depending on the plumbing scheme being used. This extra fuel is needed to provide their main pressure control valve with the ability to accurately control the system pressure.

Also on your multi pump set up do you have a check valve on the output of each pump? What can happen is that without an outlet check valve when one pump is not running it will leak fuel back to the fuel tank from the pump that is running. The check valve should be large and also have a low cracking pressure (3 psi is good) as the cracking pressure will add to the pump out let pressure required.

Really looking forward to seeing your car make a full pass with big boost and everything working well. It will be assume!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 17, 2018, 02:06:16 AM
trying a new photo hosting site, tinypic
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2nvuiw3.jpg)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on June 17, 2018, 02:13:01 AM
seems to be working
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2ez672g.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/9lj3ib.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/w9xpc1.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2lbgzyv.jpg)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 18, 2018, 12:05:06 PM
Great build and a beautiful car!! and fast too! Good to see your dropping the hammer on it!

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on July 24, 2018, 08:15:24 AM
Getting ready for Speedweek, so naturally I decided it was a good time to change out the ECU a few weeks ago. Switching from the MS3 Pro G1 to the MS3 Pro Ultimate so I could get more I/Os. Installation went fine and we also added a "scramble boost" button. Flew my friend Erin down and set up some local dyno time to be sure everything worked right. First partial pull all looked good. Second pull we were down 100hp and the numbers looked really jagged. We made a few changes but the dyno numbers and the MAP reading were not right. Looked like a dead cylinder. Finally pulled the drivers side valve cover and saw it had kicked out a pushrod.
So we pulled it back off the dyno and drug it home to tear down and figure it out. I had expected to find a thousand needle bearings and busted lifter. Instead we found that the bolt holding the rocker shaft into the #1 intake port had pulled the threads out. Holy cow.
Fortunately I had a set of 7/16 kingserts at the house and put one in. Fired it up and it seems to be ok - knock on wood.
This is one of those things where if I had not "wasted" the time and money to dyno it, this would have happened on my second licensing pass at Speedweek and I would be screwed.
Point is - test your junk.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on July 24, 2018, 08:27:53 AM
The other "fun" part of getting ready has been the trailer. I bought a 28' enclosed trailer from a guy I know - mistake #1. "Oh yeah, I don't have a title for that". Finally solved that problem thanks to another friend able to get one via a mechanics lien.

Problem #2 is the trailer brakes don't work. Pulled off one drum to get an idea what they were then ordered four new backing plate setups. parts arrived then I pulled off all the drums only to find the two reasons why they didn't work.

Reason #1: The magnetic wear surfaces were shot on the drums. Now I had to order new drums....
Reason #2: The idiot who "serviced" the bearings previously used the zirk fitting on the end of the axle as the easy lube port but figured they would completely fill the bearing cavity to the point where it pushed grease past the seals and even pushed one of the seals out, so the shoes were completely soaked in grease. Nice.

At least it was 109 degrees out when I was doing this so I didn't get too cold  :-D


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 04, 2018, 08:57:07 AM
I finished the world's longest trailer brake job finally today. Got a good deal from eTrailer.com but when I compared the old bearings to the new ones, the new ones are crap. The old outer bearing (14125) had 20 rollers and the new one only had 17. And that was just the smaller bearing! Word of advice, just buy good name brand bearings and not the cheap China crap. At least the drums looked ok.

Now on to the next 37 things to do before loading up :)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: tauruck on August 06, 2018, 09:38:42 AM
The Subaru never seems to stop.
I don't have but one friend left here. :evil: :evil:


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: bvillercr on August 07, 2018, 11:04:25 PM
Looking great!  Good luck and haul Acura!!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 08, 2018, 07:31:47 AM
Looking great!  Good luck and haul Acura!!

Thanks! Hopefully the wide rear tires don't offend folks :)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: bvillercr on August 14, 2018, 11:10:00 AM
Looking great!  Good luck and haul Acura!!

Thanks! Hopefully the wide rear tires don't offend folks :)

Give it back to them if they hassle you.  How is the car handling?


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 14, 2018, 11:40:35 PM
the car is handling awesome! Kiwi Steve bet us that we would be swapping ends at 185. Made some licensing passes and cranked up the rear wing angle and it was on a string at 237 today. had some probs with blowing header pipes out from overheating and had to weld them up using a Tig from a fellow racer. Coming back in the morning to shoot for more speed!


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 23, 2018, 08:47:21 AM
We had a great time out there!
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39821886_876420769235884_4341234040922177536_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=2d74be90338f1405dad1e633b5134c6d&oe=5C00DFDD)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39911075_876421085902519_3997370480938975232_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=b132d69b673843c5efeff3bb38124fae&oe=5BF7BD4A)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39937426_876421225902505_589239714528100352_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=6bc6349f03b506b9b68fb975d161745a&oe=5C39E4E6)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jacksoni on August 23, 2018, 08:57:28 AM
You make that 240+ number?


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 23, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40030569_878172219060739_4124877197984923648_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=09b2ca019223205040df0154f28d8e9a&oe=5C0227E5)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39913592_878172029060758_6584726915410558976_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=767a62af3fc018db0d58e70d725ac7fd&oe=5BF74947)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39948195_878172139060747_69075435035557888_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=d22edf54796ecc4f46e9b1f23bafa7a6&oe=5BF4F387)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39983942_878172052394089_5555338522891649024_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=90990755a7ed06b3bcf1d0de6aabec3e&oe=5C02AB59)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39980258_878172015727426_7833149813867675648_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=e0913cdf8bbc14fbc8df1c41244a2f66&oe=5C093F62)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39899907_878171972394097_8619596701298065408_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ecd4ddce490c1cb03c72ef2a6c698e70&oe=5BF064C8)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 23, 2018, 09:01:53 AM
Licensing up
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Best runs of the week
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40012752_878177602393534_5179929592055463936_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=bf2671e2dcfa1f76e6c8a7e7a55d105c&oe=5BF68022)
Time to wash the old girl down
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39957098_878177692393525_8194867041799241728_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0667c0127db3afdc1853be610b40950b&oe=5BF8508C)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 23, 2018, 09:05:46 AM
You make that 240+ number?
3mph off  :-(


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 23, 2018, 09:09:04 AM
The EGTs were through the roof and one of the primaries softened up and pushed out of the collector.
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39940238_878181042393190_9141586749913300992_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=bc5f6d0a828d3273417dcba9e0a51000&oe=5C000FE2)
When that happened it was shooting exhaust forward and about melted the fuel lines
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40016020_878181035726524_7159793121897742336_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=8142c97d6630d4c0f3c23382cd24f507&oe=5C02CC4E)
We borrowed a TIG welder from one of the other racers and did some field repair
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39918059_878181275726500_4465153369354272768_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=5d78c06126360d8a57490863ecad908d&oe=5C36BEE3)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39921142_878181252393169_4591602227365281792_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=be7c5b38333a6ee884c1e3ee0bd1355b&oe=5C37ECA9)
Got it fixed and made a 234mph pass
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39923957_878181169059844_4160366581471248384_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=d386258e820e67b0c8ccd627d8fbd6dd&oe=5BF47F40)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 23, 2018, 09:16:09 AM
Annnnd on the next pass the same thing happened to the other side....
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We fixed it again and ran 237.
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39963723_878181182393176_506075708724871168_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=280a6ff2f2cc777985b9cb2ac8e53219&oe=5C053F3B)
The following morning we put some boost in the car and ended up ventilating the oil pan.


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: revolutionary on August 23, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
Still lots of fun overall
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40042213_878192029058758_7806875622017335296_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=06e4e92d7b9edf78389b43fc3bc7e78d&oe=5BF4E0E9)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40058483_878192042392090_8915880119654940672_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=e251b12e234508a77d1af1b92d5329a4&oe=5C0547DE)
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39948186_878192022392092_3779506121660694528_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=f134c0cde4996125f5a427cddc4997cc&oe=5C05DBA6)


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: manta22 on August 23, 2018, 10:16:15 AM
It's a good thing that it did not burn through that fuel line!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: jl222 on August 23, 2018, 10:18:00 AM
  DANG.. keep at it, you'll get it and go fast.

                 JL222


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 23, 2018, 12:39:56 PM
I know that your headers are stainless steel, which alloy? 321 is what it should be. Radiant heat, powerful stuff, it is driven by differential temperature and the distance between the hot part and any other parts, as I remember if you double the distance you will reduce the radiant heat transfer by a factor of 8, so you need lots of good reflective shielding and ceramic based insulation and lots of distance between parts, like fuel lines and the heat source. Good air flow over the affected area helps, as it cools the affected parts by convection, it has no effect on the radiant heat transfer.

Sorry to hear you windowed the engine.

Rex


Title: Re: Breaking Wind
Post by: javajoe79 on September 04, 2018, 10:21:49 AM
I know that your headers are stainless steel, which alloy? 321 is what it should be. Radiant heat, powerful stuff, it is driven by differential temperature and the distance between the hot part and any other parts, as I remember if you double the distance you will reduce the radiant heat transfer by a factor of 8, so you need lots of good reflective shielding and ceramic based insulation and lots of distance between parts, like fuel lines and the heat source. Good air flow over the affected area helps, as it cools the affected parts by convection, it has no effect on the radiant heat transfer.

Sorry to hear you windowed the engine.

Rex

Definite good points. I talked with Daryl after speedweek and mentioned some 321 schedule 40 manifolds to replace the headers. Hopefully he'll bring me the car again and we can make that happen along with some more thermal management. Big difference in dealing with heat in 1 mile vs 5.