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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: Elmo Rodge on September 02, 2013, 04:05:32 PM
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I just turned on the NHRA Drags (Indy) and Shirley Muldowney was doing an interview. It seems she's going to get in the Herbert-Evernham Streamliner and go 450 just like that. She says she's gone over 300 in the quarter so she's going to enter the measured mile at 450 or better. :-o Piece of cake. Wayno
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Looks like the last post on their site...
July 8
Doug Herbert and Ray Evernham have decided to delay their Land Speed Record Attempt until 2011
Doug Herbert and Ray Evernham will not compete in their streamliner at Speed Week 2010. The pair has decided to delay the run for several reasons including not having adequate time for testing.
"This isn't something you want to rush along," said Doug Herbert, who will pilot the streamliner. "When we started this project, I don't think any of us realized how long it would take to get everything right and that's what we're trying to do. We don't want to just head out there without knowing how the car will do. We want to take our time and get it right, so when we do make it to Bonneville we'll run well."
The car, which is near completion, needs work done on the body and engines. The LSR Project team hopes to finish work over the winter and start testing the streamliner in early spring.
... was a couple years ago....
http://lsrproject.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-custom.cgi?d=lsr-project&page=7503 (http://lsrproject.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-custom.cgi?d=lsr-project&page=7503)
Other than the interview is anything more recent and hope they do get to the salt with the car. The wording on the site sounded more realistic concerning what they were trying to accomplish,
Sum
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Thats funny Ive gone 160 in the quarter mile in my dragster but I sure as hell dont think that ( if given the opportunity ) its gonna be easy to jump in a LSR car and hit the measure mile at 300
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Lao Tzu said “ A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step”. Like many who have boldly made an announcement to the world as a first step, their intention to set a new land speed record, they as have most others, have found the first step to be so much easier than the journey.
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The statements just seemed a little bold. My observations lead me to believe there are some differences between 300 on asphalt and 450 on Salt. I wish her well but if she is humbled I hope she is humbled safely. Wayno
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Braging rights are earned, all new people to driving on the salt will notice that it's not a drag race but most are humbled after their first pass.
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Braging rights are earned, all new people to driving on the salt will notice that it's not a drag race but most are humbled after their first pass.......
.......sideways
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anyone remember the Boyd Cottington roadster?
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Joe, I have seen so many over the years and wish I had a video of them all, many had a lot of rides on the lakes and salt and still get crossed up , spin or worse. Experience is the only teacher.
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Anyone know what ever happened to that roadster after the salt flat debacle?
Joe
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Last I heard it was still at the shop.
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Yep. Saw the interview.
It would be nice if she were welcomed like any other newcomer - check.
"Experience is the only teacher." Perhaps not entirely true, but think of the humbling effect it may have!
I fondly remember my "150 club" runs. Lots of laughter, guffaws, and finger pointing (reportedly). 99 cubic inches of fury, 2 runs over 152 without using full throttle. Made in Japan for those keeping track.
I've seen women succeed at things that men knew were impossible. . . only because they didn't know it was impossible.
Be happy to discuss this over a bottle of Herradura Reposado Tequila, you bring the bottle.
Have a happy and safe journey . . . .
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The positive I see here is that the project may still be alive.
Like anyone competing on the salt, if you delay the bar just keeps moving. I read a line from someone last year, HAMB?, "There are just so many Speed Weeks in your lifetime - don't miss any of them" - or close to that.
Just an observation from 50 years on the salt.
DW
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I for one would love to see Shirley come out and run on the salt.
Rouse
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Come on Cha Cha I also would like to see Shirley on the salt. Do you think it will happen ?
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Website says delayed until 2014 with same excuse for delays as past 2-3 years- not enough time.....
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If she can bring the $$$$ it gonna take to finsh the car and get on the salt more power to her. As for going 450 mph
because a T/F car goes 300+ in a 1000 feet well we have heard that before. Still a good move on Doug's part. Maybe she can make it happen.
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She better come up with a LOT of $$$$$$$$$$$$ I can not even imagine how much it would cost to finish that car in a NASCAR related shop!!!!!! Maybe the UAW will sponsor them :-D
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Bringing $$$$ to the table ain't her strong suite. If it was she'd still be running NHRA. Evernham would be more likely better at spinning the fact that Shirley was going to drive the car, to help bring in cash.
I'd like to see it happen. I don't think she'd have problems driving the car, as a matter of fact I think she'd do a fine job. I predict a short learning curve.
The big question is will the car preform up to expectations, that part may take awhile.
Rouse
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rouse you hit the nail on the head. Shes a legend of the sport but shes pushing 70 now. What audience to do you have her market a product to? The typical drag racing fan is a male and quite a bit younger than her. They wanna see the Courtney or Brittney Forces, Erica Enders or Alexis DeJoria hawking a product. I wish her the best of luck, shes proven over the years she can drive most anything.
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shes pushing 70 now
73 actually. Any relevance that Shirley may have had to . . . well, anything, is long in the past.
Won the Top Fuel Championship for the last time in 1982 . . . a third of a century ago!
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There is a big differencen from a 4 sec,300mph run then a 7 second mile at over 400+ mph.
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Frankie..Sparky...our country is pretty "seasoned".....with the enthusiasm for the likes of
George Foreman abit ago, and now Diana Nyad....maybe AARP could come on board as a primary
sponsor...lord knows...Nascar folks know how to get sponsors...(and the Brits..:))...
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When Don Garlits got in the two club his statement at the banquet was thats the longest time he ever had to steer a race car on any track, he also said in his dragster he got in the car hit the gas and pulled the chute' : run over, it's a different ride on the salt. :cheers:
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Come on Cha Cha I also would like to see Shirley on the salt. Do you think it will happen ?
It would be awesome to see "Cha Cha" out on the salt someday, but do I think it will happen? Nope! In fact I'm not holding my breath to even see the car itself make an appearance on the salt. Hope I'm wrong.
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Grief makes us do strange things---the old man had a dream---I doubt his kid does:
for whatever your reasons you better have a burning desire to satisfy "Salt Fever to become a sub 12 or sub 8 second mile" ---it burns up a lot of cash, days, nights, months an Lots and lots of relationships male and female. :cry:
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73 actually. Any relevance that Shirley may have had to . . . well, anything, is long in the past.
Hell, what relevance do any of us have? She's forgot more about driving than I will ever know and definitely won more Top Fuel championships than me. As to being 73, well shit, that about the average age for Bonneville "guys" now :-P.
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rouse you hit the nail on the head. Shes a legend of the sport but shes pushing 70 now. What audience to do you have her market a product to? The typical drag racing fan is a male and quite a bit younger than her. They wanna see the Courtney or Brittney Forces, Erica Enders or Alexis DeJoria hawking a product. I wish her the best of luck, shes proven over the years she can drive most anything.
I ways running TAD back when she and the "Old Man" Don Garlits, where match racing each other. Years later I ways on the salt when Garlits ran the flat head at over 217, He did fine on the salt, even thou he did note about how much the car moved around at speed. Shirley will do just fine too, if she ever does get on the salt.
I'd have to say starting with a 400 plus car would be one hell of a tall order,so I'd expect a longer learning curve than Garlits had, just as a practical matter. I'm not saying it can't happen, just that like every one else that have run that kind of speed, it will take some time, Car and Driver.
Rouse
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73 actually. Any relevance that Shirley may have had to . . . well, anything, is long in the past.
Hell, what relevance do any of us have? She's forgot more about driving than I will ever know and definitely won more Top Fuel championships than me. As to being 73, well Subaru, that about the average age for Bonneville "guys" now :-P.
Hell fire the Greek is so old people quit counting at 80 several years ago, and he was at Indy last weekend trying to qualify his TF car.
Go Figure :?
Rouse
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73 actually. Any relevance that Shirley may have had to . . . well, anything, is long in the past.
Hell, what relevance do any of us have? She's forgot more about driving than I will ever know and definitely won more Top Fuel championships than me. As to being 73, well Subaru, that about the average age for Bonneville "guys" now :-P.
Yep, we all knew who she was and 'we' are the audience,
Sum
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I would think that first there would have to be a car before you need a driver. These race teams use other people's money for their projects. They race for a living not as most here do. Who sponsors land speed?
Joe
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I've never given a crap about the who's who in racing but I'd like to see it get to the salt & show us what they've got.
The salt has humbled a lot of people.
Sid.
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We raced against her many times in the 80's and 90's. We had a few run-ins with her, but thats racing. I for one would not underestimate her. JC
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We were not her audience. Women who just happen to be listening were. I thought it funny that she thought Erica was the end all for NHRA. I root for her every time she shows up but I have no idea if she is " the best there ever was in the game".
I just wonder how Shirley will handle going 125 mph since she "special". After all we loose a drivers license # after every few years......she should be down to an "F" about now.
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Jimmy,
We have had Women show up at Bonneville during an SCTA event having never driven a high speed race vehicle and get in the 200mph club and enter the 3 club chapter at the same event..
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We were not her audience. Women who just happen to be listening were. I thought it funny that she thought Erica was the end all for NHRA. I root for her every time she shows up but I have no idea if she is " the best there ever was in the game".
That ain't exactly what she said about Erica. She was ask about racing mindset, that's when she picked Erica, and I happen to agree with that assessment. Erica lives, breaths, thinks racing 24/7,
She is a pure racer and that is usually the downfall of most racers that want to race professionally. She's very good at racing, but not so good at being a promoter or getting advertizing on the side of the car. The exact opposite of Danica Patrick, She's a promoter that wants to race, She brings in megabucks to her racing enterprise, but as far as I'm concerned, shouldn't be allowed on a race track in competition.
Rouse
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Rouse, Rouse my man--I am not a Danica fan per se---but man she deserves to be there every much as Jr.and many others ---lots of others IMO YMMV--- bringing your own sponsor dollars have bought more a ride than talent alone it takes both Bell cuvre applies lol !!!!!!
the Old Saying still applies---You want to go fast, how much money are you willing to spend?
---for the most part to be competive you have to have good parts to win usually you have to have good parts and a well researched program.
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Rouse, Rouse my man--I am not a Danica fan per se---but man she deserves to be there every much as Jr.
If so they both need to step up their programs on the track, her much, much more than him.
Erica on the other hand, has what it takes on the track, just not in the pocket book. With a well funded operation like the two above have, she'd be hell to run against.
Additionally, just for the record, my favorite Pro Stock Drivers are Alan Johnson and Mike Edwards. My agreeing with Shirley on Erica is based on my opinion of her as a pure racer, and Shirley was right, She has what it takes.
Rouse
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....... Danica Patrick, She's a promoter that wants to race, She brings in megabucks to her racing enterprise, but as far as I'm concerned, shouldn't be allowed on a race track in competition. Rouse
They moved her to Cup way too soon. Those cars according to the drivers themselves are much harder to to get a handle on than even the nationwide or trucks. She had some very respectable runs in Nationwide on the road courses.
Are you also saying that all the guys that run Danica should also not 'be allowed on a race track in competition'? I wonder why people have so much problem with her vs. a lot of others that have been in Cup rides and never performed,
Sum
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All I'm saying is That I think Shirley would do just fine in a streamliner on the salt, and that Danica would make a bigger splash in NHRA if money wasn't the issue.
Rouse
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Re: Herbert-Evernham Streamliner
Doug says "the car is about 80% done right now, and they still hope to have it done and ready for next year."
Tom G.
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I think that the turbinator II is going to put the wheel driven record out of reach of the piston driven streamliners. They need to hurry up or they are going to be left out in the cold. Same goes for the NAE if he does not try for the record soon either BLOODHOUND or the AUSSIE INVADER are going to put the record out of reach of the NAE. I also heard that since the NAE does not have a roll cage the FIM will not clear the car to run for the record.
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We have had Women show up at Bonneville during an SCTA event having never driven a high speed race vehicle and get in the 200mph club and enter the 3 club chapter at the same event..
I think one was with Joe Law and Grumpy Old Men, and I think her name was Tricia Kisner.
Tom G.
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We have had Women show up at Bonneville during an SCTA event having never driven a high speed race vehicle and get in the 200mph club and enter the 3 club chapter at the same event..
I think one was with Joe Law and Grumpy Old Men, and I think her name was Tricia Kisner.
Tom G.
Yep....
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I think that the turbinator II is going to put the wheel driven record out of reach of the piston driven streamliners. They need to hurry up or they are going to be left out in the cold. Same goes for the NAE if he does not try for the record soon either BLOODHOUND or the AUSSIE INVADER are going to put the record out of reach of the NAE. I also heard that since the NAE does not have a roll cage the FIM will not clear the car to run for the record.
I am sure the FIM will not let them run.. :-D FIA might not either... :wink:
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My bad FIA. Don't get me wrong i would like to see the NAE take the record from THRUST SSC but i think that by not putting a roll cage in the NAE ed and his partner have spent a lot of money and time on a car that will never be able to run for the record. I hope that i am wrong and they get there chance.
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My bad FIA. Don't get me wrong i would like to see the NAE take the record from THRUST SSC but i think that by not putting a roll cage in the NAE ed and his partner have spent a lot of money and time on a car that will never be able to run for the record. I hope that i am wrong and they get there chance.
I have to admit I know little about the NAE car however I do know two of the drivers/pilots they announced would be driving and neither have made any passes in the "car" and are no longer listed as the "drivers"
I would to see it run also however it has to be built to rules in place otherwise it's been a waste of his time, money and others time and money as well. I can't wait for Vesco's car to make some runs.. :cheers:
John
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I would be surprised if there was a cage rule for the ULSR cars. When we looked at Breedlove's car years ago the first thing we noticed there was not a cage in it. When we asked Craig about it and he said you don't build a Lear Jet to be able to crash it into a mountain. Any crash in the 700+ range is likely to result in a mortal injury, much like any jet. I would vote for a Martin or ACES in mine...
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I'll go along with Stainless. I haven't read all the FIA rules but I don't recall too much on safety. If there are no plans to run at an event which refers to a sanctioning body with safety rules......What's forcing you to follow any?
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I was told by the guy that is in the process of buying the ex breedlove/fossett car that the FIA requires some type of a rollcage in the car.
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I would be surprised if there was a cage rule for the ULSR cars. When we looked at Breedlove's car years ago the first thing we noticed there was not a cage in it. When we asked Craig about it and he said you don't build a Lear Jet to be able to crash it into a mountain. Any crash in the 700+ range is likely to result in a mortal injury, much like any jet. I would vote for a Martin or ACES in mine...
I seem to remember several "racing incidents" that occurred at less than top speeds. Might be nice to survive one of those.
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The FIA doesn't require a cage in a race car. You will notice there is no cage in F1 cars either. I don't even have to wear a fire suit which
means I could go naked if I wanted (never mind that vision). The FIA rule book is pretty wide open and they pretty much leave it up to
the various sanctioning organizations to set their rules for the competitors. After all, what would a cage do at 800 MPH but retain some of
the body parts. The real measure of safety is stability and control plus experience. I've driven hundreds of mile on the salt and dry lakes.
I've also conducted 34 test runs in the NAE with the max speed up to date at 400. I could have gone faster quite easily but El Mirage
isn't long enough, Edwards AFB only gave us 6 miles and the Black Rock was to rough to exceed 300. Some people think we should just
go out there and run fast without all this silly testing we have been doing. Andy Green had something in the order of 62 runs by the time
they went for the record. This fall, we will know more than ever about the ability of the NAE to be driven past 600 MPH and eventually
into the record books. Just because we don't have 50 million dollars to fund our project doesn't mean we're a bunch of fools. We just
have to do it old fashioned "Hot Rod" way.
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ed , is that how much money ssc had to run with ? holy s..t. hats off to you guys and gals . the hot rod way sounds very american. get that damn record back over here. mitchell
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The Thrust SSC was 24 million. The Bloodhound is budgeted for 50 million, last I heard.
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The Thrust SSC was 24 million. The Bloodhound is budgeted for 50 million, last I heard.
Wow! That's even more than Speed Demon!
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lol ----to date maybe
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Re: Herbert-Evernham Streamliner
Doug says "the car is about 80% done right now, and they still hope to have it done and ready for next year."
Tom G.
Yeah, we all know how that goes, 80 percent done, 80% left to go. LOL.
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:cheers: lol
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get back to work Bill... the last 20% takes longer than the first 80.
see ya on the salt 8-)
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When you are 98% "done" you are exactly half-way! :-D :-o :-D