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Title: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on May 13, 2013, 06:22:03 AM
Hi All

I'm still in the planning stages of his build at the moment and will be for some time,but have decided to start a build diary to assist with it.I first traveled to bonneville from New Zealand in 03 and again in 08,its definatly a place that has left a long lasting inpression on me, along with Lambretta's speed achivements in the 50's
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At this stage i have collected some rims and tires, and currently working on drawings of the body and and collecting parts for the engine,

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drawing of the body

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Bits being collected for the engine

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Next month im travelling to Australia for work and to watch a little drag racing and will be meeting Jon to take a look at his liner and Ross Browns, hopfully this help answer some of my questions and inspire me on my build
Cheers for looking

Nicholai
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: tauruck on May 13, 2013, 10:29:47 AM
That's cool man.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Frankie7799 on May 13, 2013, 01:33:29 PM
Pretty cool.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Jon on May 13, 2013, 03:31:08 PM
Looks cool Nicholai as others have said.
What are you making from the  block of alloy under the barrel?

Is the transmission in the swingarm?

Look forward to meeting you next month.
jon
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on May 13, 2013, 04:42:13 PM
Looks cool Nicholai as others have said.
What are you making from the  block of alloy under the barrel?

Is the transmission in the swingarm?

Look forward to meeting you next month.
jon

Hi Jon

Going to make a head with the alloy,something a little bigger than stock,
the gearbox is in the rear of the engine casing with the clutch and is driven from the crank with a chain.
Yes me to, look forward to checking out your machine.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: SaltPeter on May 13, 2013, 11:48:44 PM
That is brilliant.  :cheers:

What are those tyres??

Pete
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on May 14, 2013, 01:06:37 AM
That is brilliant.  :cheers:

What are those tyres??

Pete
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Michelin Air craft tires off a small passenger Jet.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 14, 2013, 01:15:58 AM
One of the driving forces behind my build is the history of MG in land speed racing.  It appears that you, too, have found a historical touchstone as inspiration.  When progress eludes you, you'll find that sustaining.

I've also found that maintaining the build diary keeps you focused.  I've seen so many that start off, and after 3 or 4 months, we never hear from them again.

Don't let that happen.

Press on, regardless!

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on May 14, 2013, 05:35:30 AM
One of the driving forces behind my build is the history of MG in land speed racing.  It appears that you, too, have found a historical touchstone as inspiration.  When progress eludes you, you'll find that sustaining.

I've also found that maintaining the build diary keeps you focused.  I've seen so many that start off, and after 3 or 4 months, we never hear from them again.

Don't let that happen.

Press on, regardless!

 :cheers: .



Thanks for your input MM, i was going to hold off starting this build thread for a while as i dont intend starting with construction till at least mid next year or when ever my current project is finished (having just about finished one at the moment and diving head first in to the current) But Jon has informed me he has found his a great help with his project, so ive decided to push on and as you have mentioned i think this will help with keeping momentium.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 14, 2013, 06:43:38 AM
Go Nicholai!...looks like you've got the right ingredients, inspiration, something that we all know that you have to get out of your system and the tools to do the job. The renders look nice, a little more tail?....A build diary is indispensable, the advice and support you get with the ability to go back and read about what you were thinking or doing with your build is a great way to get through the low points , and you'll have them.

We're with you on this one. :cheers: 
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Koncretekid on May 14, 2013, 06:30:23 PM
You might want to check with the organizers, wherever you plan to run.  Motorcycles are required to run minimum of 15" wheels (I haven't checked DLRA).  AMA/Bub let some scooters run last year, but they had to run in "Production" class, I believe.
Tom
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Stan Back on May 14, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
There's a scooter entered for SCTA-BNI SpeedWeek -- it has 15" wheels.  Other concerns of SCTA are steering dampers and front axle retention.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on May 14, 2013, 07:37:30 PM
You might want to check with the organizers, wherever you plan to run.  Motorcycles are required to run minimum of 15" wheels (I haven't checked DLRA).  AMA/Bub let some scooters run last year, but they had to run in "Production" class, I believe.
Tom

Thanks Stream liner can run 10" wheel.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on May 14, 2013, 07:40:31 PM
There's a scooter entered for SCTA-BNI SpeedWeek -- it has 15" wheels.  Other concerns of SCTA are steering dampers and front axle retention.

Thanks other than the engine, all other parts for this project will be fabricated to meet DLRA,SCTA or BUB rules.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Stainless1 on May 14, 2013, 08:19:54 PM
There's a scooter entered for SCTA-BNI SpeedWeek -- it has 15" wheels.  Other concerns of SCTA are steering dampers and front axle retention.

Thanks other than the engine, all other parts for this project will be fabricated to meet DLRA,SCTA or BUB rules.

 Nicholai... let me amend your statement.. it reads Thanks all of this project will be fabricated to meet DLRA,SCTA and BUB rules
Keep designing, collecting and gathering, that is the first step in building
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on May 14, 2013, 08:28:51 PM
There's a scooter entered for SCTA-BNI SpeedWeek -- it has 15" wheels.  Other concerns of SCTA are steering dampers and front axle retention.

Thanks other than the engine, all other parts for this project will be fabricated to meet DLRA,SCTA or BUB rules.

 Nicholai... let me amend your statement.. it reads Thanks all of this project will be fabricated to meet DLRA,SCTA and BUB rules
Keep designing, collecting and gathering, that is the first step in building

Cheers Stainless1 thanks!
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: saltwheels262 on May 15, 2013, 01:34:39 AM
You might want to check with the organizers, wherever you plan to run.  Motorcycles are required to run minimum of 15" wheels (I haven't checked DLRA).  AMA/Bub let some scooters run last year, but they had to run in "Production" class, I believe.
Tom

was not sure that A scooter had 15 inch wheels.

bf
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 15, 2013, 02:33:50 PM
Nicholai... let me amend your statement.. it reads Thanks all of this project will be fabricated to meet DLRA,SCTA and BUB rules
Keep designing, collecting and gathering, that is the first step in building

Good advice - you see a piece you can use, grab it.  I had the factory hardtop for the Midget years before I had a car to bolt it to.

And do keep an eye on the rule changes - Streamliner special construction bikes were almost all but outlawed last winter - Thanks to a few aware builders, they wound up getting the rule rescinded - at least for the time being.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on June 03, 2013, 06:39:20 PM
Hi All

Well like all good projects this one has to start some where, so the first project is building a test rig to run my 175 engine in.
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picked this up for free from a friend,was an Electric scooter, but its not to badly made, and will do what i need.
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Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Koncretekid on June 03, 2013, 09:13:29 PM
I don't want to throw a monkey wrench into your gears, especially as I don't have a DLRA nor a SCTA rulebook available.  But AMA/BUB specify the following for motorcycle motors: "All classes are to use motorcycle engines. A motorcycle engine is defined as any motor that was specifically designed for use in a motorcycle."

So the question is, does a scooter qualify as a motorcycle?  There was quite a discussion elsewhere on this forum about the use of mini-bike motors and the general consensus seemed to be that a mini-bike wasn't a motorcycle.  Perhaps your rules are different, or you have already got this clarified.

Tom
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on June 03, 2013, 11:59:12 PM
thanks Koncretekid, at this point i havent checked that, i really just want to build this first and make sure my engine is going to make the power i want and need it to before committing time and money to a much bigger project.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: grumm441 on June 04, 2013, 09:23:09 AM
I would call a Lambretta engine a motorcycle engine
It's what the local road safety regulations call it
So that has you covered for DLRA
So now we have to ask Matt
G
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Koncretekid on June 04, 2013, 08:12:48 PM
thanks Koncretekid, at this point i havent checked that, i really just want to build this first and make sure my engine is going to make the power i want and need it to before committing time and money to a much bigger project.
Absolutely!  Life's uncertain.  Go fast now!
Tom
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on June 10, 2013, 06:51:53 PM
Hi All

Just come back from a short holiday and research trip to Brisbane Australia,What a great trip, spend half a a day doing business followed by two days at Willowbank drag-way for there winternationals.On the last day of of my short trip we we were hosted by Jon Bennett and wife Belinda and Ross Brown, Big thank you for your hospitality. 
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Photos from the last day
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Me in Ross's Awesome machine
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Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: grumm441 on June 10, 2013, 11:17:01 PM
Do you think Ross will be able to get into it?
G
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on June 10, 2013, 11:36:45 PM
Must say it was a struggle for me, and im only a few inches taller than him.Shes a tight fit!
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: grumm441 on June 11, 2013, 05:19:57 AM
Must say it was a struggle for me, and im only a few inches taller than him.Shes a tight fit!

I wasn't thinking about taller
G
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on June 11, 2013, 06:32:03 AM
HaHa :-D
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Jon on June 12, 2013, 07:58:15 AM
Thanks for calling in Nicholai, enjoyed catching up with you and Ray at Ross's and at Belinda's and mine.

I have no doubt you have the skills to put together a well thought out and constructed machine looking at you and your friends current and past projects.

Looking forward to watching your build and keeping in touch.

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on June 13, 2013, 06:33:57 PM
thanks For the DVDs Jon, started watching them last night, very interesting and will be of great use.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on September 04, 2013, 09:04:26 PM
Well have been a lil quite for a while but have been busy, but not as much with this project as i would like!

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Been trying to sort out my recently finished vespa, has taken a lil longer than ive hped a will need to go back for another dyno as we had an electrical problem last time, which stopped us final tuning the igntech ECU, any way just waiting on a new exhaust from Germany and it will be back to the dyno.

got a free Sunday so started some machine work on the engine for the test rig.
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machined the side cover down to remover the kick start, going to make a rolling starter.

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Here is the start of the billet head for the motor, as you an see it is a lot larger than the standard head to aid cooling, im also currently looking for info on Kawasaki H1 pistons, im currently considering using a wiesco version for this motor but need to find if the ring pegs are in the right place, so if any one has any info or can point me in the right direction that would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: makr on September 04, 2013, 10:37:08 PM
What size bore?

Dont make an aircooled cylinder. It is not worth the anguish.
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on September 04, 2013, 11:00:51 PM
60mm makr, engine is going to be 60x 60, yes i was going to keep it air cooled, but it is going to be run on methanol
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: Jon on September 06, 2013, 02:34:46 AM
Good to see you back Nicholai.

I would vote for a water jacket too, keeping heat under control is a whole lot easier with water.

jon
Title: Re: Lambretta 175 S-F
Post by: fastlammy on September 06, 2013, 06:47:54 AM
Thanks Jon,

Slowly making progress, got a crank coming for the motor, going to have another chat with my tuner and see if thinks. I need to jacket the barrel was hoping not to if i ran it on methanol, but i can see your and makr's point .