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Title: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on April 24, 2013, 02:44:30 PM
This is the fast forward version to date of my build. The plan is to have it ready to run for SpeedWeek.
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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Mobacken Racing on April 24, 2013, 02:46:10 PM
Very cool! :-)


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on April 24, 2013, 03:13:15 PM
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This is where I am at today. As you can see I still have a lot of work to do but I am gaining.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 24, 2013, 03:49:26 PM
The only thing I can see that you have forgot is a really big depression in the area that your "attachements" will be located as to ride this they must be BIG!!!

Neat build, good luck!

Rex


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 38flattie on April 24, 2013, 04:57:39 PM
Wow! that's the most condensed build thread I've ever seen!

Love the bike-looks like a real fun project, and it appears you are doing a great job!

How much boost are you planning on running?

Keep up the great work!


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Koncretekid on April 24, 2013, 05:04:53 PM
Go Big or Stay Home!  Good to start with a 4-pack; make it a true 8-pack later.  Your info says you are a "Newbie."  Methinks not.
Tom


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Peter Jack on April 24, 2013, 05:14:02 PM
Nice job. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :-D

Pete


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: generatorshovel on April 24, 2013, 06:02:23 PM
HOLY shyte Batman !


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on April 24, 2013, 06:16:41 PM
Wow! that's the most condensed build thread I've ever seen!


How much boost are you planning on running?


18 pounds is the plan for now. We will see how it works after it gets some salt on it.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on April 24, 2013, 07:08:16 PM
Go Big or Stay Home!  Good to start with a 4-pack; make it a true 8-pack later.  Your info says you are a "Newbie."  Methinks not.
Tom

The 8pack idea was a little over optimistic.. I agree, I better stick with 4 until I upgrade from Newbie :-D


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Old Scrambler on April 24, 2013, 09:37:40 PM
Great Build Project 8-) 8-) 8-)

Properly Speed-Rated tires may be a problem :wink:


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: lsrjunkie on April 26, 2013, 09:38:38 AM
Holy $HIT!! That is cool! Hope that turbo is big enough! Like Koncrete said, Go big or go home! Looking forward to seeing this thing roar down the salt! Good Job, Keep it up!!  :cheers:


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: DND on April 26, 2013, 07:56:19 PM
Damb son this thing is getting serious, hang on sloopy when you get a hand full of that twist grip

Like Rex says you must bring your Attachment's in a wheelbarrow!!!

Wow what a great build as i'am locked in to your thread

Dare i ask is it a fueler or gas burner?

Don


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: ratpatrol66 on April 26, 2013, 09:02:23 PM
I was thinking its going to sound awesome until the turbos showed up. Still Bad A$$. What is your target speed?


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 26, 2013, 09:33:01 PM
It reminds me of double engine drag bikes from years ago.  A nice build.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 55chevr on April 26, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
photos are huge ... there is way to reduce them ... check with Slim.


Joe


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Cereal KLR on April 26, 2013, 10:33:52 PM
Another awesome build, this forum is a gearheads dream.

My buddy built a twin engine Honda, but hacked off the back of the front motor to get away from two transmissions. Interested to see how you work out the details. Those look to be the big Yamahas, 1300 or 1854cc each?    

Please tell me you will be riding it at BUB event... :cheers:


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on April 26, 2013, 10:39:28 PM

Dare i ask is it a fueler or gas burner?

Don

I guess I should have gave a little more info at the beginning of my thread :roll: I plan to start out in the Gas class and then maybe move over to fuel later. The engines are not very big (1670s) so that puts it a 3340cc, 8.3 to 1 compression, 4 valve heads, 1000cc injectors, a single GT4088r turbo and start out around 18 pounds of boost.

I was thinking its going to sound awesome until the turbos showed up. Still Bad A$$. What is your target speed?

Well the short version is. My wife wanted to go to SpeedWeek so she told me to build something fast that would not embarrass her (whatever that means?). It is setup for just north of 230 (wheel speed) so if everything goes right just over 200. I would really like to get a HAT to cover my little bald spot :mrgreen: but that is going to be easier said than done as we all know... The downfall is the minimum is 210. I am not sure if it can get there.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on April 27, 2013, 12:17:54 AM
I know I must have done something wrong... I was able to rig my custom double throttle cables from Motion Pro in less than 5 mins.
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I hope this is better Joe. I use tinypic to resize.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 55chevr on April 27, 2013, 12:47:58 PM
I appreciate the  consideration.   Nice job.   I am enjoying your build.

Joe


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Beairsto Racing on April 27, 2013, 05:28:14 PM
I've enjoyed following your build on the Warrior site.
Thanks for sharing the project. I'm looking forward to seeing it on the salt.

Cheers,
Scott


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on April 28, 2013, 01:27:48 AM
I've enjoyed following your build on the Warrior site.
Thanks for sharing the project. I'm looking forward to seeing it on the salt.

Cheers,
Scott

Thanks Scott,

Well the good news is, I figured out how I want to run my fuel lines. The bad new is I have to get out my CC and order a bunch of firesleeve.
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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: racer on April 28, 2013, 02:11:47 AM
Amazing build......

Looking  forward to seeing you and your hot rod on the salt and in action....

2013 is going to be one helleva year on the salt.

Fast and Safe,

Ray C Wheeler
Bikernet Performance Editor.....


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 28, 2013, 09:28:02 PM
Those tubes upside the cylinders...are there pushrods in there?


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on April 28, 2013, 09:33:58 PM
Those tubes upside the cylinders...are there pushrods in there?

Yes, both pushrods run in a large single tube on the right side of the engines.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on May 04, 2013, 10:11:40 PM

I had a pretty productive day building brackets for the LCD displays, installing firesleeve, boost gauge and water pump. I started laying out the wires and I can see it is going to be a total pain is the XXX. Trying to find any extra room is getting very difficult but with less than 100 days. The show must go on!!!

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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on May 06, 2013, 12:52:25 AM
I finished the outer bearing support to control any vertical movement.
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Also got the water pump mounted, coils brackets, coils and rear engine MAP sensors mounted.
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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Cereal KLR on May 09, 2013, 04:01:43 PM
Waiting on edge of seat for more pics...

The sound that makes will thrill the neighbors for blocks around.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on May 12, 2013, 11:44:26 PM
I spent the last 2 days cutting, stripping, soldering and deleting wires. I have about a day or so left until I find out if I cut the wrong one :-o

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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on May 13, 2013, 12:08:52 AM
Waiting on edge of seat for more pics...

The sound that makes will thrill the neighbors for blocks around.

Ya for some reason they are not as happy as I am when it starts...


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 55chevr on May 13, 2013, 05:17:33 AM
Hoping that you cut the right wires ... I just finished troubleshooting a turbo single engine EFI harness problem and it is not something I recommend for peace of mind.


Joe


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on May 13, 2013, 11:00:22 AM
Hoping that you cut the right wires ... I just finished troubleshooting a turbo single engine EFI harness problem and it is not something I recommend for peace of mind.


Joe

I spent a lot of time making sure everything was marked but anytime you have to join two harnesses. There is a chance for error. Needless to say I will not be sleeping very well at night till I get it started again.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on May 27, 2013, 12:50:46 AM
It is official!! The left side is full and about 95% complete now :cheers: I still need to finish welding and painting the shifter linkage and find somebody to make me a 10 foot long brake hose. I am going to try to see if it will make any boost and make sure the 3 bar map is working by next weekend.

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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: DND on May 27, 2013, 01:10:45 AM
Hi 8 Pack

Wow you need a serious ' Roadmap ' to see where you have been and where you are going when working on that baby, what a bunch of stuff packed in between the 2 wheels.

Should be looking pretty good for not much wheel spin with all that weight even on the salt, do you have any idea of how much it weighs?

Neat job you have done.

Don


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on May 27, 2013, 01:29:20 AM
Don, I am not sure but I know it is getting pretty fat. I also know my motorcycle lift hates me. I am guessing it will be close to 1200#s

And your right. If I have to take it apart it's going to take a lot of post-it notes to get it back together...


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: wobblywalrus on May 28, 2013, 12:25:25 AM
That bike is amazing.   I don't know how you do it.  This highly complicated Triumph has kept me puzzled all weekend.  Something like that double Warrior is beyond comprehension.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: DND on May 30, 2013, 02:16:24 PM
Hi Wobbly

With my years of crankshafts etc i always thought about how one could make power with out all those rotating parts, well it looks like you have figured it out with just a intake & exhaust system

Good Going !!!

Don


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 13, 2013, 02:05:55 AM
That bike is amazing.   I don't know how you do it.  This highly complicated Triumph has kept me puzzled all weekend.  Something like that double Warrior is beyond comprehension.

I think we should trade projects for the next 2 months :cheers:

I been busy working on my art project but I have not had very much free time to post. I have been building heat shields and working on my punch-list. The smell of burning chicken legs does not turn me no :-D My goal is to get it on the dyno next week Friday. It is unbelievable how time consuming everything is now that it is getting close to the end :?

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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Old Scrambler on June 13, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Holy  :roll: :roll: :roll:Batman :-o  I'm tying to imagine the body work :|


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: racer on June 13, 2013, 06:19:32 PM
Helleva job....

Looking forward to seeing you on the salt......

Ride Fast and Safe.........


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 13, 2013, 09:22:13 PM
Holy  :roll: :roll: :roll:Batman :-o  I'm tying to imagine the body work :|

No body work this year.  The combination of running out of time and my wife reminding me that I destroyed my budget. We'll be runnin naked...

The good news is provided the machine shop finishes my part tomorrow. I should be ready for the dyno next week :cheers:


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 18, 2013, 09:45:49 AM
Not a very good video but more like a teaser for next Monday. "The joys of being my neighbor" is what I like to call the video :-D (it was fathers day so I did not think it would be very nice bouncing the engines off the rev limiter)

I am on the books for next Monday at the dyno:D I get back into the states in a couple days. I still need to close up some loose ends Friday and Saturday. Then spend most of Sunday trying to get the hanger queen out of the shop and onto my trailer. This should be interesting :-o

The biggest thing I need to address is my heat shield. It's better but still needs more. The none wrapped exhaust is 540*f, single wrap is just over 380*, triple 250* and my shield is 150-180*. I order 1/4" Armor Exhaust Heat Shield and I will cover both sides of the heat shield. Start it up and hope it gets down to a reasonable level.

On the good side... I should have better videos soon. I am ordering a gopro today :cheers:


Startup with 3bar map - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VKFOzyrwI4&feature=youtube_gdata_player)


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 20, 2013, 02:06:14 PM
Engine interconnect is reinstalled with bracing and the correct washers... I found that the washers that were tack welded to the nuts bottomed out on the spline. Doh!!!

Interconnect runout check (hd) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r7cQEYH8LQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player)


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 20, 2013, 10:25:18 PM
I learned a couple things today...

1) My new heat shield material works awesome (only 91* after my little stunt)
2) It makes boost
3) My rear brake HATES me
4) and the rear brake will not hold 8 pounds of boost :evil: can't wait to see what 18 pounds looks like on the dyno Monday.

That is all in on the rear brake and I quit when it hit 550*f (ouch glad I don't need that)
Not to mention smoking myself out of the garage....
First running checking for boost - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjjYJigsd0s&feature=youtube_gdata_player)


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Koncretekid on June 21, 2013, 04:04:48 PM
Purrs like a kitten - - I can't wait to hear it roar! 


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 22, 2013, 12:06:31 AM
Looks like everything is dyno ready :cheers: I will be leaving the fuel pressure gauge on just to make sure the rising rate fuel regulator is working as advertised.

Last week while I was building my heat shield. I was thinking I have test fit everything 10 times expect for myself with full gear for a while. I am glad I ate a salad last week :-o(I was starting to think my suit shrunk). Everything feels good but I wish I was able to tuck my right leg in better. The heat shield causes my leg to stick out a little (still better than the smell of burning HAIR :mrgreen:)

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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 23, 2013, 11:40:46 AM
Off the lift for the first time and ready for the dyno tomorrow morning. This should be very interesting....

I already learned that you have to do a 27 point turn to this mother around in the shop :roll:

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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: manta22 on June 23, 2013, 12:15:20 PM
8Pack;

Put the front & rear wheels up on an el cheapo HF movers dolly. Then you can spin it around any way you want.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 23, 2013, 03:48:48 PM
8Pack;

Put the front & rear wheels up on an el cheapo HF movers dolly. Then you can spin it around any way you want.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

I bought a couple last week. I just have not had a chance to do anything with them yet.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 24, 2013, 09:13:20 PM
240.9 HP
294.2 torque @ 4298 rpm  :cheers:
This was as the boost was rocking through 10#s on its way to 20#s.
It may have been spinning on the dyno when the boost came on and destroyed my a rear tire :-o All and all I am very happy with only a couple loose ends to fix.

Second video is at 75% and as you can tell the BOV works :-D
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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: racer on June 25, 2013, 02:44:20 AM
Great....

Hang on, straight and fast.....

Good Luck on one bad Acura project.....

Ray C Wheeler


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: stay`tee on June 25, 2013, 04:59:47 AM
 :-) i think Jim got a wee fright,  :-D,,


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 25, 2013, 10:08:43 AM
If it does that to the tire strapped to the dyno you may want to make sure that your turbo doesn't come on to hard. I have seen more that one car an bike spin leaving the line when the turbo came on to fast and the tires just spun..

You really look ready! Looking forward to seeing you at the salt!

Rex


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: John Noonan on June 26, 2013, 12:28:00 AM
Looks great and this is the first time I have seen the build images  :cheers:  one thing I would like to see on a double with all that weight is a functional front brake added..in the event you have a failure, oil fire, lose a chain that takes out the rear brake you will have a hard time waiting for a nearly 1,500lb bike and rider to come to a stop.

Again very cool double!   :cheers:


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 26, 2013, 06:05:10 PM
Looks great and this is the first time I have seen the build images  :cheers:  one thing I would like to see on a double with all that weight is a functional front brake added..in the event you have a failure, oil fire, lose a chain that takes out the rear brake you will have a hard time waiting for a nearly 1,500lb bike and rider to come to a stop.

Again very cool double!   :cheers:

Thanks

The front brake is more than likely a very good idea however it looks like it will have to be added next year. The good news is that my brake line does not cross the chain (hand control rear brake). I just don't think I have enough build days left to make that happen (bigger fish to fry).


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: John Noonan on June 26, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
Nice application of Hayabusa parts on the bike...is the engine a four valve dual overhead cam? 


John


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on June 26, 2013, 11:21:51 PM
Nice application of Hayabusa parts on the bike...is the engine a four valve dual overhead cam? 


John

Everybody knows if you want your bike to go fast. You have to use some Busa parts?! Right :-D No, they are 1700 Yamaha pushrod engines (4 valve 2 plug heads)


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on July 01, 2013, 01:20:15 AM
Looks like gray is out and orange is in!? My wife said orange and a black sharpie work better on the salt. I replied roger BOSS :roll: Looks like I will be riding the Orange Peeler :-D
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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: JimL on July 01, 2013, 11:44:52 AM
Orange is fast, and always in stock on the auto parts shelves!

JimL (and his Orange Whale)


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Freud on July 02, 2013, 12:23:34 AM
And I thought that Bob George's twin Harley was big...........

but I think Dave Campos went over 230 on it, many tears ago.

Rex or Kent was it high gear only?

FREUD


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: RidgeRunner on July 02, 2013, 08:24:53 AM
    Maybe not, IIRC it snapped a chain in '71 on that year's hard salt. I know they came back with many changes for '72.  I'd also like any more details on that build if anyone has them.  It impressed me at the time as does this one now.  All the best for a safe, fun, and FAST meet 8pack!

                           Ed


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on July 21, 2013, 10:41:30 PM
With only 19 days left before Bonneville. I decided it was safe to pull the secret weapon from storage :-o I would tell you but Customs already called me 4 times and not sure if I want to talk to the NSA :cheers: I got the fuel tank back on but I still have to do a couple things to finish the install.  I also included a picture of the kickstand in stealth mode :-D

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Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Freud on July 22, 2013, 11:22:02 AM
A new century Bob George dual.

Dave Campos rode it 231 MPH years ago w/o supercharging.

FREUD


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on July 22, 2013, 12:08:24 PM
A new century Bob George dual.

Dave Campos rode it 231 MPH years ago w/o supercharging.

FREUD

I am pretty sure my turbo will not make up for having a fairing. Maybe next year I will get my permission slip signed by my wife to add one :cheers:

I may be wrong but I don't think there has ever been a naked pushrod bike record over 200?


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: fredvance on July 22, 2013, 01:14:08 PM
Dave Matsons Vincent, 2000 M/F 210.357, 08/88


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on July 22, 2013, 01:22:35 PM
Dave Matsons Vincent, 2000 M/F 210.357, 08/88

Why was he in the M-F class not the M-PF class? Are the pushrods to short to qualify, cam position or???


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 22, 2013, 01:42:06 PM
I'm not sure -- but maybe back in '88 there wasn't a separate class for pushrods. . .?  But then -- I ride metric bikes with OHC so how would I know? :?

I do know Dave Matson and his bike and enjoy seeing him on the salt every year.  And it's cool -- because not all that many Vincents run on nitro.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: bak189 on July 22, 2013, 02:22:24 PM
Do remember that SCTA/BNI will change the classes without telling anybody......at least they did in the "old days"..............so who knows what class Dave was running in......they changed our class 3 times back in the 1980/1990's without telling us......New M/C chairman, new classes and new interpretation of Tech. rules...... Lost 3 records.............Oh, well no problem retired now...............But still BS.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on July 22, 2013, 02:41:02 PM
I looked through the records and every record with a Vincent engine is in the non-pushrod class. I do not have my rule book with me but I remember a statement about pushrod length or cam position. I guess they had a pushrod class in 1985 because there is a record.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: TouringComet on July 22, 2013, 03:06:04 PM
Yes, funny how Vincents are not in the pushrod class, a shame really. Also, don't let the 2000cc class for Matson's old records fool you like some have been, it was done with a single motor, he did it before there was a 1650 class, although his actual displacement back then was less than 1650. It has only been the last few years that Dave has had a really big motor and moved into the 2000cc class proper.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Stan Back on July 22, 2013, 05:24:53 PM
"Also, don't let the 2000cc class for Matson's old records fool you like some have been, it was done with a single motor, he did it before there was a 1650 class, although his actual displacement back then was less than 1650."

If that's the case, then SCTA should be notified that they belong in the 1650 class, if applicable.  SCTA has done this before when new categories or engine sizes have been added.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on July 22, 2013, 09:43:03 PM
Looking at the record book. The 1650 and 2000cc classes look to be the sweat spot for motorcycles. When you step up to the 3000 and Unlimited classes most of the speeds are slower. I am sure there are a bundle of reasons. I look at my build and I can come up with a handfull of reasons it may not run as fast as the smaller bikes. However my dream was to build a double engine turbo bike that was big enough to be in the unlimited class. We are all going to find out how it works in about 18 days :cheers:


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: SaltPeter on July 23, 2013, 01:05:18 AM
That's one cool Bike hope all goes to plan  :cheers:

I digress, aren't Vincents in Vintage Classes VG or VF as they were pre 1956 Bikes?

Pete


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on July 27, 2013, 12:01:21 AM
Now that months turned into weeks and weeks turned into days. I decided I need to kick it into high gear and finish up. That being said today started off on the wrong foot :x I could not get the rear engine started because I did not get a chance to flush out the race gas after the tank cracked. After a string of words I can't repeat :-o and 2 hours of jacking around I finally got both of them started :cheers:

With the time I had left today. I got the last of the gauges and data loggers mounted today. I also decided now that I don't live in a village anymore. I should at least install matching wheels :roll: and check for rear wheel alignment.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2lji3h1.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/212d95e.jpg)

I also got a chance to look at the rulebook on the requirements of the pushrod class. "Shall have pushrod operated valves with a camshaft located at least one crankshaft stroke below the OEM cylinder deck position or utilize OEM pushrod length at least twice the crankshaft stroke"


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: edinlr on July 28, 2013, 01:22:46 AM
The Vincent pushrods are long enough for the pushrod class and the only engine I can think of that isn't, are the last BMW's with the high cam and very short pushrods.  In the 60's and 70's there were very few large OHC engines, so pushrod motors still ruled the 1350 and above classes and didn't really need a separate pushrod class.  It would be kind of fun if they could do a few classes where everything was factored by engine type with 600 multis, 500 2-strokes, 750 twins, 1600 pushrod v-twins, etc.  It might make for some interesting racing instead of one or two bikes dominating a lot of classes.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Stan Back on July 28, 2013, 11:09:56 AM
That's what we need -- more motorcycle classes.  What about the ones with the green seats?  Reminds me of the guy who told me his '55 Chevy shouldn't compete with the Monzas 'cause the Tri-Five were what the people came to see.  After all, this is basically a spectator sport, right?


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 28, 2013, 03:49:21 PM
Momentary hijack, if you don't mind.  Maybe it's 'cause I race bikes and not cars -- but just what, exactly, is a "Tri-Five" -- other than a Chevy something.  What are the three fives involved?  Thanks.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: BHR301 on July 28, 2013, 03:53:15 PM
Tri-Five....55, 56 & 57.

Bill


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on August 07, 2013, 10:41:57 AM
Everything I need (or at least I think I need) from the garage is in the pile ready to go. WOW I hope I dont need all of it... 2 days of flying, come home, pack it up and then we are going to blow this popsicle stand:D


(http://i43.tinypic.com/16iurh5.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/244w0wg.jpg)


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Koncretekid on August 07, 2013, 03:53:35 PM
Looks like a pretty small pile.  Mine fills my trailer as well as the back of the pick-up truck.  The bicycle is a must have.
Tom


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on August 07, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Looks like a pretty small pile.  Mine fills my trailer as well as the back of the pick-up truck.  The bicycle is a must have.
Tom

I think I have everything.
Duck tape - check
Zip ties - check
Crescent wrench -check
Hammer - oups almost forgot it - check

Should be good to go now :-D

And your right! you can forget everything but the bicycle :cheers:


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: DND on August 07, 2013, 08:01:14 PM
Hi 8

Looks good and I have not heard the ' lets blow this popcicle stand ' for years, neat stuff 8 !!!

Have fun - go fast - be safe - bring her back in one piece

G Don


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on August 07, 2013, 11:06:50 PM
Hi 8

Looks good and I have not heard the ' lets blow this popcicle stand ' for years, neat stuff 8 !!!

Have fun - go fast - be safe - bring her back in one piece

G Don

I have a really good group of guys that are more than capable of keeping it together as long as I do my part.

Now its time to put this baby to bed and go racing :cheers:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/kbahom.jpg)


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Koncretekid on August 08, 2013, 04:27:45 PM
There are some other guys who land their planes at the Salt Flats.  No reason you shouldn't do the same.
Tom


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 08, 2013, 04:40:43 PM
Well, really, there is a reason not to land your plane opn the salt this year.  Really, although maybe if that's his personal plane he could buy his way out of it.  But - BLM  has stated unequivocally that no planes will be allowed to land on the salt this year. :cry:


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on August 08, 2013, 06:55:34 PM
They baby would be up for sale if I owned it. But then I would have to figure out what to do with the money :cry:


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: maj on August 11, 2013, 08:13:31 PM
So how did it go ??
i hear your bike details called out once  but no speeds,
 


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Koncretekid on August 13, 2013, 05:20:54 AM
I see on the run logs that bike #6661B made runs of 164mph and 154mph on an open record.  No turn-outs or false starts.  8pack you are to be congratulated for successfully completing these fantastic runs.  Must be making some glorious music.
Tom


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: DND on August 13, 2013, 07:18:06 AM
Hi 8

I agree with Tom and keep that beauty running and a bit faster with each ride

G Don


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on August 14, 2013, 12:24:21 AM
We hit a soft spot on the way to 200 and had a rear bearing fail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cjq1fKCAoY&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: racefanwfo on August 14, 2013, 01:33:47 AM
Are you going to try and fix it and run again or are you done.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on August 14, 2013, 06:53:47 AM
Are you going to try and fix it and run again or are you done.

We got it back together yesterday and ready to run today.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: DND on August 14, 2013, 07:34:54 AM
Hi 8

Looked like a nice straight run you had going till the bearing failure, go get um today

G Don


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Peter Jack on August 14, 2013, 11:48:04 AM
Nice job 8pack. Don't you hate it when the back end gets loose!  :-o :-o :-o

Good luck the rest of the way.

Pete


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Cereal KLR on August 16, 2013, 11:12:19 PM
How you doing? I saw on another forum you came off @ 190?


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on August 17, 2013, 01:23:09 PM
How you doing? I saw on another forum you came off @ 190?

Good, waiting to go into surgery. They are coing to pin a couple of my broken ribs and bleed off some fluid off my left lung. I was able to get slowed to around 100 before I can off.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Peter Jack on August 17, 2013, 01:34:11 PM
It's a good sign when you're back to posting. I hope the surgeries go well.

I hope when you get the time to check the bike out it isn't too bad. You did a really good looking job on that project.

All the best in your recovery.

Pete


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Cereal KLR on August 17, 2013, 04:41:41 PM
Glad to hear you are doing well, that getting off moving vehicles will give you religion fast.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: DND on August 17, 2013, 08:24:01 PM
Hi 8

That surfing stuff on the salt at 100 is a tough gig, sure glad you are doing pretty good and wishing you a speedy heal up !!!

G Don


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 17, 2013, 09:40:04 PM
Man-o-man, Mr.8Pack, sir - you have our best wishes for a quick and speedy and complete recovery.  We were to your right on the line when you made that last run Friday - and I didn't realise that it was you that was stretched out over the bike watching the data as you warmed it.  I sure as heck would have walked over for a howdy.  About the get-off -- my sincere sympathies.  The bike looked tasty from where Nancy and I were waiting, and sounded great, too.  But since I was preparing for a run, too, I didn't take the time to let my mind wander into the land where I would have recognised you.

Best wishes, and stay in touch on the Forum so we can help monitor your recovery from the crash and surgery.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Duck-Stew on August 19, 2013, 01:55:01 PM
Hey Mr. 8,

Hope all the surgeries and recovery goes as smoothly as it can!  Our bike did ride by your pits and someone from your group pointed and said something...  Wish I would've asked the driver to stop.

Bike looked great out on the salt and you did have some impressive speeds!

Be well, & I'll definitely drop by next year!
--Stuart


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: 8pack on August 20, 2013, 11:59:58 AM
Sounds like they are going to releases me from the hospital tomorrow :cheers: They pulled the drain tube from my lung, no more O2 needed and I am walking without a walker today. Thank you for the prayers and wishes. Looking forward to getting home. My understanding is that the bike is still in very good condition.


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: lsrjunkie on August 20, 2013, 12:10:34 PM
That's great! Good to hear you are doing better!


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: rouse on August 20, 2013, 01:28:15 PM
Good to hear your up and moving around. It all gets better from here on.

I heard them announce that you went down and then shortly afterwards, they unplugged and that's how the broad cast ended for speed week.

Rouse


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Peter Jack on August 20, 2013, 02:24:00 PM
Hey 8pack that's great news all round!!!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

We'll look forward to your return.

I hope the healing is rapid and continues to go well.

Pete


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: Cereal KLR on August 20, 2013, 08:37:07 PM
Excellent news, being home is always preferable to a hospital stay no matter how brief.  8-)


Title: Re: A-PBG-UNLIMITED build
Post by: SabreTooth on August 20, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
Sounds like they are going to releases me from the hospital tomorrow :cheers: They pulled the drain tube from my lung, no more O2 needed and I am walking without a walker today. Thank you for the prayers and wishes. Looking forward to getting home. My understanding is that the bike is still in very good condition.

Stoney, that's great news! See my post elsewhere for being a lucky, unlucky guy. I wish you a speedy and full recovery and may you be able to have the courage and support to continue with your dreams. It was sure great to talk with you during Speed Week and long may that continue. Cheers. Jim