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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: caleb on November 09, 2012, 03:19:26 AM
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Total noob here, I am familiar with most road race rules and reg. For mopeds. But, I am not finding much info on them for the salt. By this I assume a moped would fall under the motorcycle class by cc·s. If so or if other wise please school me.... Nicely....
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IIRC, a French team ran a Moped in 2008? If so, check for record in 50cc class with "Tri-Continental?" or similar sounding entry name?
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"Wheels must have a minimum nominal diameter of 15 in."
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No worries.. 17" rims with total of 21" dia
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What exactly is it
It's hard to tell from your Avitar
The French guys certainly did run a moper at Speedweek in 2011
The hardest bit was mounting the steering dampner
I seem to recall they ran in MΩ and MPSΩ
G
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A French team with a 50cc pitted next to us a few years ago. They were able to break down their bike so it could be packed in 3 suitcases and the cases were just loaded as luggage on the plane.
I always thought this was a cool story.....
~JH
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Internal combustion engine in checked baggage is FAA/TSA violation. They were lucky, we have to dispose of confiscated engines all the time. Usually chain saws and generators. We donate them to the Boy Scouts.
Joe
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I believe the French bike was compressed air powered, accounting for the Omega class
Will6er
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No fuel - no combustion - okay to fly. I am sure the cylinder was empty as compressed gas is also no fly. We get confiscated shock absorbers and even air conditioners all the time.
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The bike is a heavily modified 1978 jc penny pinto. It was designed by Puch and made by Kromag in Austria. Current setup, 74cc gilardoni jug on an E50 single speed motor with static cdi ignition, 4 petal reed block, 24 mm oko carb and custom exhaust by mlm. Top flat ground speed of 65mph.if I upgrade my igniton , reeds and carb I should be looking at 70 +mph.
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Have you looked at the 100cc records?
http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/Records/Bikes.html
No pedals on this moped, right?
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The bike is a heavily modified 1978 jc penny pinto. It was designed by Puch and made by Kromag in Austria. Current setup, 74cc gilardoni jug on an E50 single speed motor with static cdi ignition, 4 petal reed block, 24 mm oko carb and custom exhaust by mlm. Top flat ground speed of 65mph.if I upgrade my igniton , reeds and carb I should be looking at 70 +mph.
Bville has high DA (Density Altitude). Expect a significant drop in engine output.
There is no Moped recordkeeping for SCTA (cars and motorcycles), not sure about BUB (motorcycle org that runs at Bville).
The French team ran on soft/open record at 50cc gas engine SCTA-BNI, and they still hit 60mph at 50cc.
If your class allows engine swaps, a modern water cooled 80cc two stroke is going to make a lot more sustained HP. Air-cooled is not the way to go.
If you got bucks, there are some rotary valve two strokes that either have water cooling or can be made water cooled.
With a good 2-stroke tuner, the rotary valves are king of the hill. No piston port or reed engine can touch them when tuned right.
I would guess a max effort RV WC 100cc could push 30HP?
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If you want to go all out in the 50 class find a works VanVeen engine. The last of the factory engines dynoed at 28 bhp and capable of well over 120. One Kriedler fitted with Burt Munro style streamlining ran 140. Crappy photo below.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img517/1695/img118nm8.jpg)
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thank you all, to answer a few questions. No it dose not have pedals, but it did from the factory. I guess i will have to look into BUB because i am wanting to see the limits of the engine i curently have. I'm not looking to hold the fastest record for a moped in general, but to reach a personal goal of 1 mph per cc. The setup that I have is based off of a motor that dyno'd in at 76.9 mph but would only run at 72 mph max on the track. To the best of my knowledge no one has hit 74 mph on 74cc (on this motor) with out nitro, glowfuel, or some other additive other that just pump gas/ oil pre-mix. I have a few contacts in Denver and in Seattle to direct me in a general direction for jetting and air/fuel mix, but that will only be able to be fine tuned there. oh and this little motor is pushing the boundary of 14 HP !!!
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Don't forget "our own" John Buddenbaum @ 233 KPH.
The aforementioned European bikes were pretty much heavily sponsored (i.e Pentax) with 'factory" help and supercharged in at least one case..
Don't get discouraged, Caleb, there's plenty of "self satisfaction " in just doing yer own thing.
Allan Spears where are you on this topic?
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Hey, thanks! After further diging, I may fit a little easier into the BUB RWB class..... But all info is great!
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thank you all, to answer a few questions. No it dose not have pedals, but it did from the factory. I guess i will have to look into BUB because i am wanting to see the limits of the engine i curently have. I'm not looking to hold the fastest record for a moped in general, but to reach a personal goal of 1 mph per cc. The setup that I have is based off of a motor that dyno'd in at 76.9 mph but would only run at 72 mph max on the track. To the best of my knowledge no one has hit 74 mph on 74cc (on this motor) with out nitro, glowfuel, or some other additive other that just pump gas/ oil pre-mix. I have a few contacts in Denver and in Seattle to direct me in a general direction for jetting and air/fuel mix, but that will only be able to be fine tuned there. oh and this little motor is pushing the boundary of 14 HP !!!
That's actually not bad for a moped engine. An 80cc out of a WC racing dirtbike is 17-20HP, RM80 et al.
I'm planning on attending my first BUB event next year for some Time Only runs with my son.
Hope to see you there.
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50cc and 100cc Motorcycle classes are some of the most competitive I've seen, ain't no low hanging fruit there...
The names Butler, McLeish, Guthrie hold the Lions share of the records.
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Mike --
You're right (sorta).
In the 2012 Rule Book, there are 38 records for 50cc and 39 for 100cc. But the 500cc class has 62 listed. That means that over 20 records in both 50cc and 100cc are Open. If not more -- who knows if the 62 in 500cc are the full limit. Gotta remember that there are at least twice as many bike records as car records.
What are the Open records? Consult someone who has lots of bike records like Scott Guthrie -- I'm sure he could explain it to you.
Stan
(I wonder if there are 20+ Open records in MMP and BMMP.)
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Stupid question: in SCTA are they allowed to run the Yamaha 100cc gocart engine? This is the most common 100cc engine, and probably the only 100cc race engine currently produced?
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You could put it in a roadster, but not a bike.
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You could put a hamster wheel in a Roadster AFAIK and run in the STRR? class (street roadster with rodent)? Don't have my book handy. Pretty sure the hamster has to be tech'd for steriods.
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Stupid question: in SCTA are they allowed to run the Yamaha 100cc gocart engine? This is the most common 100cc engine, and probably the only 100cc race engine currently produced?
You could put it in a roadster, but not a bike.
In a roadster it would still have to run against the Hayabusa motors.... :-o
it is probably based on a bike motor so it could be slipped in a modified or SC
put the pedals back on it and run it in production, who'd know.... :roll:
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Stan, I can't even run Fuel, I'stuck in a gas class only, Oh to be able to run E85 !
now, back to weed whacker motors...
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Well, it sure looks like you can run a bicycle based two wheeler at Bonneville.
There is a guy bragging about crushing an A-PF record with a bicycle frame with a lawnmower engine stuffed in it. Still has pedals on it in the pics.
I thought it was MC engines only in MC frames for SCTA, but I guess I got that wrong.
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I think you're still right for Bonneville -- at least where the SCTA is concerned. Maybe he ran another event?
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No,he is claiming SCTA. Posting pics of tags & certs online.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sportsmanflyer/8232222233/in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sportsmanflyer/8232222233/in/photostream)
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35B Bonneville Flyer 175CC A-PF 71.040 73.526 Gunther Maier
from the run log August 15th ....
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Well, it sure looks like you can run a bicycle based two wheeler at Bonneville.
There is a guy bragging about crushing an A-PF record with a bicycle frame with a lawnmower engine stuffed in it. Still has pedals on it in the pics.
I thought it was MC engines only in MC frames for SCTA, but I guess I got that wrong.
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Lem, if you go through his photos far enough you'll find that those frames, which he custom builds, are built differently and with heavier tubing and wider spacing so he can mount motorcycle tires and wheels. The pedals go through the crank mount hole but both face back and are locked in that position. The bikes are a pretty good replica of an old board track racer powered by one of the Chinese import m/c engines modified for the purpose.
Instead of trying to tear someone else's work down why not get to work and use your own ingenuity?
Pete
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I always believed the rules were for everybody. If the rules say MC engines only, then that is what I must compete with.
That is not an import MC engine. It is a GX160 lawnmower type engine.
He is claiming that he is a manufacturer, and that the machine is a modification of his "production" Motorized Bicycle. What constitutes a Production vehicle to the SCTA? Can I build 3 frames & call it good?
Since he is claiming Production, should it not be class M? Modified from a production machine?
He removed the chain & swung the pedals back on it. Fine.
So the question is can I now run any engine in MC class since he has done so?
Not tearing down the work of others, just need to know if the engine rule is no longer applied before I advise someone on an engine build. No sense in nursing an old Triumph or Harley back to life if a modern lawnmower engine is good to go.
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I'm just a car guy who took the builder at his word. Maybe it's time to sit back and see if you just opened a can of worms or if his interpretation is correct.
Pete
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From what I can see he ran in A which is special construction so nothing wrong there. The engine I can't comment on but the inspectors are usually pretty sharp when in comes to motorcycle engines vs lawn mower engines. If you are 100% certain his engine is not a motorcycle engine I'd get in touch with Matt or Van.
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Pete:
I understand taking a builder at their word. I usually do as well, and in fact this builder has not hidden the fact that it is a Honda GX160 engine.
Nortonist:
Thanks for your reply I am afraid I don't know either of those people, but I would like to know where to go for a rule clarification. If the lawn mower & go-kart engines are good to go, it opens the field up quite a bit. My nephew can run 7.90 @ 85mph in the 1/8th with a modified Briggs & Stratton flat head.
Here is the engine that was used:
http://engines.honda.com/models/model-detail/gx160 (http://engines.honda.com/models/model-detail/gx160)
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If you have a rule book you'll find that they're listed in same as the officials to contact for motorcycle rules clarification. Their contact information is also on the SCTA website accessible from the home page of this website. Look under Contact Us on the SCTA website.
Pete
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It would appear you have a case. Matt Schuss and Van Butler's email addresses are in the rule book.
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So his record was done with a lawn mower engine and it beat a record held by a traditional motorcycle engine? Man I really need to talk to my Gardener/lawn manicurist and time him versus a motorcycle engine..
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Maybe late with this.
Anybody mention the machine is on p116 of the 2012 Bonneville program?
Second pic down for the directionally challenged.
Sarcasm aside,
MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL!
And Godspeed, Tony Waters!
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Here is their own pic of the Honda clone engine (implement engine) and the aftermarket go kart parts that make good power.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sportsmanflyer/6157364837/in/photostream/
It's all on their website. I can't figure out how it oils correctly. It looks like the dipper is in the wrong spot (engine is designed to sit on the large flat, with cylinder angled up a bit from horizontal.). The recoil starter has been moved, in the photo, to get the cylinder vertical for the pic. I wonder if it could run with the oil level at just the right point to get lightly tagged by the dipper? ....or maybe flip the rod? Interesting adaption and looks pretty cute with all the stuff trimmed off.
There is a lot of great development in various go kart engines, if it will be ok to use them now. It would sure save a lot of money, not having to buy old motorcycles, cut them up, convert to chain drive, and so on. Multiple go kart engines could make some fast pushrod bikes! I think the flathead displacement allowance could be a real winner with the hot Briggs & Strattons. Very high rpm and surprising power!
...and yesterday I bought another old pushrod Honda motorcycle to cut up, because thats how I read it in the book. :wink:
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Looking at Rule 7.G.9 on page 120 of your blue rulebook
He should have been running TO
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Looking at Rule 7.G.9 on page 120 of your blue rulebook
He should have been running TO
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Oops?
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I wondered about the modified Briggs & Stratton motors these mini dragsters are using. Lots of speed parts available. You could make a case that they were offered in lots of mini-bikes back in the day. And now, I'll bet that Honda GX 160 is also used in Chinese mini-bikes, if mini-bikes qualify as motorcycles. I understand that Mustang also produced some of there bikes (motorcycles?) with Briggs motors, although maybe only for off-road. Still, two wheels and a motor.
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to be production 500 produced, then you can have modified.
special construction only needs one.
If a motor is used in a motorcycle anywhere in the world, any decade, as a production motor, it is legal in SC.
I would say all you would need to do is show the Briggs was used in those thousands of mini-bikes, then use the motor in your special construction frame and you are a record holder... oh, you will have to run it a couple of miles on a couple of days. :-D
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It could also be said a mini-bike is not a motorcycle... :mrgreen:
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I'm just curious, and I realize this section is for SCTA rules, but couldn't this combination run the BUB meet as a legal motorcycle because of the different rule structure?
Pete
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to be production 500 produced, then you can have modified.
special construction only needs one.
If a motor is used in a motorcycle anywhere in the world, any decade, as a production motor, it is legal in SC.
I would say all you would need to do is show the Briggs was used in those thousands of mini-bikes, then use the motor in your special construction frame and you are a record holder... oh, you will have to run it a couple of miles on a couple of days. :-D
And there is the problem. This builder claims he produces the Motorized Bicycle with that engine. But his total production appears to be about 5 bicycles. None of his bikes are street legal as shown.
I am waiting on a rule book, so all I can do is ask questions here right now. If in fact I can run a briggs based engine like we do in Jr Dragster then there is a lot of room for innovation as others have already pointed out.
If making 5 bikes with a different engine will qualify, then I can have a half dozen units ready by the second quarter of 2013 with Yamaha 100cc kart engines to satisfy the the same level of production.
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If you have a rule book you'll find that they're listed in same as the officials to contact for motorcycle rules clarification. Their contact information is also on the SCTA website accessible from the home page of this website. Look under Contact Us on the SCTA website.
Lem, rather than continuing to speculate, why don't you go straight to the source as shown above? These guys are usually pretty good at replying promptly and the answer would be accurate. You could refer them to this thread or attach a copy or link.
Pete
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I would say all you would need to do is show the Briggs was used in those thousands of mini-bikes
Is a mini-bike a motorcycle? Put an engine (any engine) in a bicycle and it is referred to as a "motorized bicycle" not a "motorcycle". Does putting a lawnmower engine in a tiny frame with kart wheels qualify it as a motorcycle? The rules say motorcycle engine. Does using an engine designed for a lawnmower in a minibike frame qualify it as a motorcycle engine? Boss Hoss make motorcycles with Chevy V8 engines. Does that qualify a Chevy V8 as a motorcycle engine? I don't see, even with a huge stretch of the imagination, how any Briggs and Stratton engine could qualify as a motorcycle engine.
I think somehow the tech people were conned. I'd love to be proved wrong.
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"Boss Hoss", you were reading my mind, Bill. :wink:
Don
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Here is a chinese pitbike with a similar engine. I still wouldnt like to see go kart, minibike, pocket bike etc engines in motorcycle classes. If anything with two wheels is a motorcycle, there may be no concerns about kart and minibike engine use. I wonder if this would also allow the small block Chevy (or part of one)?
I'm glad its not my responsibility to figure this stuff out; I confuse easily!
http://www.monsterscooterparts.com/bamibipa.html
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How many motorcycles have S&S produced?
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Anybody besides me and Dan remember the White Goose Bar 50cc vintage production racer? Bicycle with a Whizzer type kit on it. Good thing leathers were required, the tassels on the grips would have thrashed the riders forearms :-o
I guess we will see if they considered the bike a factory works race bike...
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"Maybe if the engine wasnt designed to be a motorcycle engine, it must not be a motorcycle."
I should not have posted that idea, it would eliminate MotoGuzzi Vtwins and that is not appropriate.
Modify button and my apology to the Guzzi riders.
JimL
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You can wonder, ponder, study, question, post all you want about this unit, the place to protest it was when it hit impound.
Steve
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I think the time and place for protesting is fully known. This is more off a how'd he pull it off discussion. All I can figure is there mst have been a crack or two at tech and the bike slipped through. That or the rider is the salesman of the year.
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Anybody besides me and Dan remember the White Goose Bar 50cc vintage production racer? Bicycle with a Whizzer type kit on it. Good thing leathers were required, the tassels on the grips would have thrashed the riders forearms :-o
I guess we will see if they considered the bike a factory works race bike...
Sorry stainless, it was not a "Bicycle with a Whizzer type kit on it", it was a 1955 Express Radexi, 50cc production motorcycle. 100% stock (except for the tassels). The Express M/C company of germany made thousands of those a year.
http://www.express-radexi.de/radexi2a.html
The engine in it was a 50cc 2-stroke that was designed and mfg by Express expressly for the Radexi. (bad pun :-p) Express was a German M/C company who joined with DKW & Victoria in 1958 to form Zweirad-Union. In 1966 they were joined by Hercules and soon after the company was absorbed into the Sachs group.
(http://scta-bni.org/Bonneville/Speedweek%2006/photos_mon/HPIM0385.JPG)
When we ran in the P/PV class and qualified, Tom (rightly) threw us out of impound because of the GPS we had mounted to the handlebars. We had to take everything extra off the bike, mount them to the riders arms so the bike would remain 100% stock and re-qualify. It still only went 33 mph.
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I think that was the year the White Goose Bar Team had the slowest record and the fastest record with the same rider/driver. Rick Yacoucci - 33/352.
IIRC
DW
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I think that was the year the White Goose Bar Team had the slowest record and the fastest record with the same rider/driver. Rick Yacoucci - 33/352.
IIRC
DW
Same rider/driver and on the same day
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if I remember right, this same bike set a record at El Mirage at 38+ mph on Oct 10, 2007
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I like the tuck.
DW
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He's just looking down to see if the dirt is actually going by. 38+ huh. Tailwind that day?
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if I remember right, this same bike set a record at El Mirage at 38+ mph on Oct 10, 2007
Close.
P-PV
Gerardi-Sloan-Romero-Manghelli R. Yacoucci 11/07 39.648
Tom G.
PS. Entry names varied. Just depended on who filled out the entry. I filled out this one.
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I just got a self-propelled lawnmower for Christmas with a Honda GX160 engine in it. I've taken one wheel off it and thinking of running Sidecar classes with it.
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Okay, fine -- what's your point? :evil: :evil:
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Just trying for a little humor . . .
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"Maybe if the engine wasnt designed to be a motorcycle engine, it must not be a motorcycle."
I should not have posted that idea, it would eliminate MotoGuzzi Vtwins and that is not appropriate.
Modify button and my apology to the Guzzi riders.
JimL
It would eliminate the Honda Gold Wing too.....I think that was first designed to be a generator motor.
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Wow, a lot of assumptions made about my posts.
I waited patiently for a rule book before I posted again. The reason I asked the question here in the first place was to avoid waiting for a rule book.
I simply wanted to know if the rule that required a motorcycle engine in motorcycle classes had been changed. I was not "protesting" the record I mentioned, but since it is so clearly not a motorcycle engine - or even a motorcycle, I wanted a clarification.
A young man that used to work for me as a fabricator was asking me if I could build a version of the Jr Dragster engines that would be ok for LSR. When I told him that it was "Motorcycle engines only" he whipped out his tablet & started showing me pictures of the A-PF 175 record holder in question. That engine has never been installed in a motorcycle by a manufacturer. The owner has made no effort to conceal the origin of the engine, so I wanted to know if a rule change had been made that would allow some different stuff to run at Bonneville. That's it, nothing else. Since this was a moped thread, and the machine in question has pedals, it seemed like the appropriate thread to post in.
Someone here was gracious enough to give me contact info for Matt Shuss. I e-mailed mr Shuss, and he stated clearly "We do not allow non-motorcycle engines". good enough for me.
So it appears the the owner of that bicycle was either a better salesman than Joe Isuzu, or Stevie Wonder was doing a stint as a tech inspector that day. I told my young friend that he can't run a Jr dragster flathead in a motorcycle frame. I suspect he will keep working on his NASA car instead of heading for the salt.
Thanks to everyone that helped me out here.
B.
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You've pointed out how easy it is for the motorcycle inspectors to police 1800(+?) classes. That's why they get the big bucks; too bad they can't spend them.
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My Cat B&S motorcycle ran OK. So did a few hundred thousands of others. Guess I was born in a different era or different income level than you guys. At least I bought mine cash by mowing yards.
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As it looks like this thread might be coming to an end, I would like to point out a few things, this is not for you veteran racers that know it all, it might help a few that read this thread and get confused as to how the tech process works.
First it is not up to the techs, or the SCTA to classify the bike or car. When in tech, you are basically being checked for safety, the check off sheet helps with this process. It does have a check off for, is the class designation and entry number displayed properly? If the tech sees' something that is obvious out of class, he tells the team that if they make it to impound that could be a problem. They do not run to a book that gives reference to every motorcycle engine ever made.
On tech day, when you are looking down a line as far as you can see of racers waiting to be teched, it gets very intimidating, and when you have a lot of new entries that haven't done their homework, it gets very frustrating. The best techs learn how to read the people they are teching, sometimes it is obvious that they are trying to steer you around something or get away with something.
If they make it to impound that is when proper build to class comes in, can mistakes be made, Yuuup. Thats why the protest system is so important, sometimes a racer might run and hold a record thats out of class for several years, and finally it gets protested and has to get corrected.
1.B would have this particular moped run for time only, was it an intentional mistake, I hope not, Sh...t doe's happen. :?
Steve
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I'm pretty sure a mistake was made. The question is now what happens. A non motorcycle engine has been certified for a record. Cert., tag and trophy sent and record listed. Will the record be removed? If not does that mean the SCTA is now allowing non motorcycle engines in motorcycle classes? If the SCTA is not going to allow non motorcycle engines then the record has to be removed.
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You can ask tech to check your bike for class legality. I have done that when I had pushed the envelope. I have also been declared illegal after a quailfier. I miseterpeted(sp?) a rule. It was a quick, hacksaw, fix. :-D
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I'm not saying that there hasn't been simular conditions when the record has been pulled. But it should be done in a manner that all parties involved get a fair chance to know what is going on and present there case, and defend their case, such as the protest in impound.
Page 12 / 2012 RB / 1.H last paragraph Board of Directors.
Steve
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I just got a self-propelled lawnmower for Christmas with a Honda GX160 engine in it. I've taken one wheel off it and thinking of running Sidecar classes with it.
T'would appear you will be running fuel.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img59/4903/15453610150963655663242.jpg)
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How 'bout an exhaust deflector? Give up a bit of power, maybe, but save your left thigh = and more important, a good portion of the family jewels. Heat makes for genetic mutations.
"Don't point that thing at me unless you mean it!!" :roll:
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I'm pretty sure a mistake was made. The question is now what happens. A non motorcycle engine has been certified for a record. Cert., tag and trophy sent and record listed. Will the record be removed? If not does that mean the SCTA is now allowing non motorcycle engines in motorcycle classes? If the SCTA is not going to allow non motorcycle engines then the record has to be removed.
Just stopped by to see if this was ever answered...
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Ya . . . I've been working on mine. 175cc Blown Fuel Sidecar is Open. Mine has no throttle adjustment, so I guess I'd have to just start it and hang on. Gotta convert the back wheels to just one, I guess. I'll check with Nortonist to figure out the firing order.
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Ya . . . I've been working on mine. 175cc Blown Fuel Sidecar is Open. Mine has no throttle adjustment, so I guess I'd have to just start it and hang on. Gotta convert the back wheels to just one, I guess. I'll check with Nortonist to figure out the firing order.
Setting the firing order on a single can be quite tricky. Give me a shout when you're ready to do it.
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Speaking of Mopeds, My memory being heavly damaged by the 60's and 70's (ask Stainless), did the SCTA not outlaw scooters (etal) in the pits at Speedweek?
I couldn't find any mention in the rulebook, but seem to remember it in the letter that comes with your official entry.
Thanx, Bob (who may have two Honda Spree's for sale cheap if my assumption is correct.
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I could be wrong but I believe the ruling is you don't ride something that you don't have a license for. I don't think there are any states that issue mini bike licenses to kids. Also not aware of any states that issue go-kart licenses... but again, I could be wrong.
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Bob, it was go-karts -- and any other vehicles that are so low that it'd be hard to see them from the driver's position in a race vehicle. Mopeds are still okay (as far as I know), and pit bikes, and bicycles, and so on -- just not super-duper low riders.
Memory refresh is okay -- it brings such fine memories. I think. :roll:
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so basically one of these would be fine...
(http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-cfg83-albums-shtuff-01-picture1068-nacho-libre-trike.jpg)
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The mini bikes and gocarts rule has been if force a long time as is riding in the back of pick ups and on trailers. I believe it may be in the Bonneville operating procedures and straightaway newsletter for speed week
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i saw they were there again at speed week with the
same engine so im guessing things got sorted out...
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The mini bikes and gocarts rule has been if force a long time as is riding in the back of pick ups and on trailers. I believe it may be in the Bonneville operating procedures and straightaway newsletter for speed week
How about the idiot with the prop driven trike? About 3 feet tall and ready to chop some spectator to pieces. I want to throw a stick in that thing.
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should have pulled the plug wires and towed it off the salt.
brain dead would have figured it out why sooner or later.
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I have no horse in this race but what about all the 1960s mini bikes that were powered by Briggs & Stratton flatheads ? Inspectors have a tough job just figuring out what size bike makes it a motorcycle, quite a can of worms
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I have no horse in this race but what about all the 1960s mini bikes that were powered by Briggs & Stratton flatheads ? Inspectors have a tough job just figuring out what size bike makes it a motorcycle, quite a can of worms
7.B.10 Wheels shall have a minimum nominal diameter of 15" except in the streamliner and sidecar classes
the 15" filter
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