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Title: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: kberjian on September 23, 2012, 01:28:48 AM: I have been working on the car for a few months to try to get it ready for next year at Bonneville.

To accommodate the air-water intercooler, I have removed a section of firewall and am rebuilding a new frame and firewall. The intercooler and a few of the panels are removable so I can connect the IC piping. I think this should satisfy the rules but would like some confirmation.

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0079.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0078.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0088_zps92691586.jpg)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: kberjian on September 23, 2012, 08:41:07 PM: Had a few hours today and finished framing and sheeting the new front firewall. Also made the fuel cell mounts. I rough cut the new rear firewall that will be a real pain to fit as there are even more curves that a weight watchers meeting. I might tackle the steering column mount and new dash tonight if I get time....

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0091_zps9fabb245.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0093_zps72343eb2.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0095_zpsdb8a5ebe.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0097_zps15940381.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0098_zps273e25f5.jpg)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: kberjian on September 28, 2012, 11:54:07 PM: Started the internal skeleton for the front facia. At very high speeds I was told by the Racedeck guys that it would bend back until it would rub on the crash bar and the sides would be bent down almost 2". I am bending 1/4" pencil rod to get the contour and I will be bending up some 1" tube to frame it. The overall idea will be to have it mount to the crash bar, 2 bolts into each fender, and then the bottom will be covered by a sheet that bolts to the rad support.

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0099.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0102.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0105.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/IMGA0106.jpg)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on August 03, 2013, 03:32:08 PM: Karson said it was ok for me to post up in here, so I'll be uploading some pics over the next week or two on the progress.
I'm hoping to generate some interest in here so I can bounce some questions around about the cage design. The rulebook is quite "open" compared to what I'm used to, so any suggestions will help.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on August 03, 2013, 03:45:27 PM: Here are a few pics of the work done already...
Main hoop
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/karsonmainhoop_zps6071d35d.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/karsonmainhoop_zps6071d35d.jpg.html)
Some of the welds on it..
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/karson1_zps8b5c21a3.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/karson1_zps8b5c21a3.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/karson2_zpsf7149206.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/karson2_zpsf7149206.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on August 03, 2013, 03:52:06 PM: Tubing is 1.750"x.120"wall DOM.
Built a secondary framework inside the car as these SRT-4's are not real stout from the factory in terms of sheet metal, and the 1/4"plate in the rules does not appeal to me much. There are a few places I've used it still, but minimized it. Inner tubes are 2x2x.125" in the front and under the main hoop. The rear rails are 1x2.5"x.188".
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/karson6_zps0693633a.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/karson6_zps0693633a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Peter Jack on August 03, 2013, 04:04:59 PM: Unobtainium, PM sent.

Pete
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on August 03, 2013, 04:12:23 PM: Quote from: Peter Jack on August 03, 2013, 04:04:59 PM
Unobtainium, PM sent.

Pete

Thanks, replied.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on September 03, 2013, 10:48:30 AM: Few more pics...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_09191024x765_zps4fdb0a65.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_09191024x765_zps4fdb0a65.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_0920768x1024_zps686b3b61.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_0920768x1024_zps686b3b61.jpg.html)
Going to post in the rules section about gussets, some places are such obtuse angles you can't meet the rules as per 4" from joint to outside of tube without exceeding the 6" length allowed.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on September 04, 2013, 10:10:01 PM: Got the roof basically done today, just waiting to hear back on gussets for the windshield bar junctions.
Starting to look like a serious cage! Let me know what you think!
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_09191024x765_zps4fdb0a65.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_09191024x765_zps4fdb0a65.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_0920768x1024_zps686b3b61.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_0920768x1024_zps686b3b61.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_09261024x490_zps11d33355.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_09261024x490_zps11d33355.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_0929768x1024_zps36ae8f8c.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_0929768x1024_zps36ae8f8c.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_09271024x633_zpsecbc32e7.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_09271024x633_zpsecbc32e7.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_09311024x848_zpsb2c8f0aa.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_09311024x848_zpsb2c8f0aa.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_0930768x1024_zpsfbe9693b.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_0930768x1024_zpsfbe9693b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on September 09, 2013, 03:21:45 AM: More pics tomorrow hopefully. Almost gusseted out, new material for door bars and floor stuff should be here soon so I can finish this thing. :-D
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on September 11, 2013, 10:53:52 PM: (http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_09471024x768_zpsa3f6ad44.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_09471024x768_zpsa3f6ad44.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_0945768x1024_zps21c78c89.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_0945768x1024_zps21c78c89.jpg.html)
Going to be working on the chute mount and turbo exhuast/WG for the next bit while waiting for more tubing to finish the cage.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on September 12, 2013, 05:46:43 PM: Any feedback guys? Anything you see that needs attention? It's not done, but I'd love to hear suggestions.
There are a few spots I need to complete triangulation, and more tubes on the floor, but I'm thinking about a centre windshield bar...???
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Peter Jack on September 12, 2013, 05:54:44 PM: I called Chris but you must have been too busy on the computer. I can honestly say that if I had to take a bad ride in a race car that's one of the ones I'd choose, You're doing a fine job. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on October 30, 2013, 11:59:27 PM: Back at this beast...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_09901024x768_zps9e64e193.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_09901024x768_zps9e64e193.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_0991768x1024_zpseb9ba1f8.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_0991768x1024_zpseb9ba1f8.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_0993768x1024_zps121acc46.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_0993768x1024_zps121acc46.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_09941024x768_zps7a5cff05.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_09941024x768_zps7a5cff05.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on October 31, 2013, 12:39:12 AM: The welding is excellent. Some of the nicest I've seen. :cheers: The car looks good and my guess is that the quality workmanship will follow through right to the end. Good luck with the project. I'm subscribed.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on October 31, 2013, 01:41:06 AM: Thanks tauruk!
It's taking longer than I had imagined, but I'm loving the challenge.
:cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: manta22 on October 31, 2013, 11:35:44 AM: How do you get that tubing so shiny and clean?

Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on October 31, 2013, 12:37:16 PM: Quote from: manta22 on October 31, 2013, 11:35:44 AM
How do you get that tubing so shiny and clean?

Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ

Acetone then sanding belt. Then acetone again before welding because of fabbing,etc.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Sumner on October 31, 2013, 09:47:43 PM: Quote from: Peter Jack on September 12, 2013, 05:54:44 PM
...I can honestly say that if I had to take a bad ride in a race car that's one of the ones I'd choose, You're doing a fine job. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Pete

Ditto, I would feel very safe in that car.

(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_0945768x1024_zps21c78c89.jpg)

Very well triangulated. Please keep posting :-),

Sum
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 01, 2013, 04:40:01 PM: Thanks guys. :cheers:
Coming along. Going to have to yank it out and do some of the bars with it out of the shell.
Here we sit...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10041024x768_zps883b81f6.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10041024x768_zps883b81f6.jpg.html)
Gets a little hard to see stuff, but just trying to support the important parts as best I can.
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10061024x768_zps573d72e3.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10061024x768_zps573d72e3.jpg.html)
Pre-welding some of the corners where more bars go over top...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1002768x1024_zps52aea012.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1002768x1024_zps52aea012.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_09971024x768_zps20a2810f.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_09971024x768_zps20a2810f.jpg.html)
Just a fit-up pic showing that I bevel the tube edges a bit on the edges where the fillet weld will be laid out quite a bit...
It's the centre of the windshield at dash level looking from the outside-front
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_0999768x1024_zps074e8d9a.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_0999768x1024_zps074e8d9a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Captthundarr on November 01, 2013, 06:12:59 PM: Sweet, very sweet. :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 01, 2013, 09:03:58 PM: Some more welds...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/null_zpsd4e86194.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/null_zpsd4e86194.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/null_zps449e1bac.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/null_zps449e1bac.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/null_zpsb3101540.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/null_zpsb3101540.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 01, 2013, 09:13:26 PM: 20 mins and it's out!! Glad I put some thought into the design for this purpose.
Put the outside door bar in, nice and tight!
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10091024x768_zpsb48bcae0.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10091024x768_zpsb48bcae0.jpg.html)
Passenger side is nearly done now.
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10101024x768_zps41ab4ef9.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10101024x768_zps41ab4ef9.jpg.html)
Starting to look like a cage
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10111024x768_zpsaf2f3339.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10111024x768_zpsaf2f3339.jpg.html)
Another shot of the passenger side from above...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1012768x1024_zpsc337eed9.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1012768x1024_zpsc337eed9.jpg.html)
I'm going to do a bunch of welding and a few gussets, then throw it back in to do the driver's side door bars etc.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Glen on November 01, 2013, 09:19:30 PM: That is one nice cage, well thought out, I also like the center bar in the front, ,Earl Wooden had one in his Crosley when he crashed and it probably saved his life as a thick alum. plate hit the bar and deflected it away.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 01, 2013, 09:20:50 PM: Quote from: Glen on November 01, 2013, 09:19:30 PM
That is one nice cage, well thought out, I also like the center bar in the front, ,Earl Wooden had one in his Crosley when he crashed and it probably saved his life as a thick alum. plate hit the bar and deflected it away.

Scary, but great to know it has proven it's worth elsewhere.
Cheers :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: robfrey on November 01, 2013, 11:46:03 PM: Subscribed.
Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on November 02, 2013, 12:59:04 AM: I'm going on a bit but man, you can weld!!!! It's a sin you're going to have to paint that cage. :cheers: :cheers:
I'd have to call you the Bobby Orr of Tig, seriously.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 02, 2013, 11:43:45 AM: Quote from: tauruck on November 02, 2013, 12:59:04 AM
I'm going on a bit but man, you can weld!!!! It's a sin you're going to have to paint that cage. :cheers: :cheers:
I'd have to call you the Bobby Orr of Tig, seriously.

Thanks tauruk. I'm a big Bobby Orr fan, so that means alot. I liked Gretzky and all, but Bobby was such a pioneer and game changer. :cheers:
I started at this when I was just 12, so I have a lot of inches in already(now 34). I love it. Dreamed of doing this as a kid, living the dream.
Had some very good mentors through my early career, so I'm lucky.
Anyway, cage will go back in today sometime to fit driver's door x-over, steering wheel mounts, and a few more bits and pieces.
More to come!
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 02, 2013, 12:52:19 PM: Got a few neat pics from my late-night welding last night..
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_50751024x683_zpsa927da15.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_50751024x683_zpsa927da15.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_50781024x6832_zps5d53b8c5.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_50781024x6832_zps5d53b8c5.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_50791024x683_zps64265466.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_50791024x683_zps64265466.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Sumner on November 02, 2013, 01:11:24 PM: (http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_50781024x6832_zps5d53b8c5.jpg)

Cool pictures and it is definitely harder for some of us to weld standing and in some of those positions vs. a table, but looks like that isn't the case for you :-).

What are you using for a tubing bender?

Sum
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 02, 2013, 01:31:18 PM: JMR tubing bender(model 100 I think) and roll bender (KMS Tools Magnum brand)
Compared to welding on my back, or my head, this is a dream!!!
I've had some people laugh at how I work the pedal when I'm in a cage...armpit, thighmaster-style, etc.
I tried the hand control, hated it.
I'm going to try some nice gussets for the PS door bars to tie them in more, first time doing that style, so I'm going to play around a bit so I know what I want for driver's side.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 02, 2013, 10:56:18 PM: Today was good. Got about 30% of the welding done, the PS gussets on, and more bracing and DS door bars tacked in.
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1013768x1024_zps50b7be07.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1013768x1024_zps50b7be07.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10141024x768_zpsabf47de7.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10141024x768_zpsabf47de7.jpg.html)
DS bars both bent out..
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1015768x1024_zps4b38457c.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1015768x1024_zps4b38457c.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10161024x768_zps85bd18b1.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10161024x768_zps85bd18b1.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1017768x1024_zps984b3903.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1017768x1024_zps984b3903.jpg.html)
Notice the extra bracing to triangulate all the spots in the driver's cage
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10181024x768_zps37aec5cd.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10181024x768_zps37aec5cd.jpg.html)
Extra little gusset by the centre windshield bar for support of the joint since it isn't captured much at the junction
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10191024x768_zpsc0c36349.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10191024x768_zpsc0c36349.jpg.html)
A look from the passenger's side at quitting time
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10201024x768_zps8518755a.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10201024x768_zps8518755a.jpg.html)
Got a few triangles in the floor section too, gotta weld it up and get ready for seat mounts
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1021768x1024_zpsd4455be6.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1021768x1024_zpsd4455be6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: SaltPeter on November 02, 2013, 11:34:35 PM: I agree your welding/construction is as good as I have ever seen. Oh for steadier hands :-D

Pete :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 03, 2013, 01:43:39 AM: Quote from: SaltPeter on November 02, 2013, 11:34:35 PM
I agree your welding/construction is as good as I have ever seen. Oh for steadier hands :-D

Pete :cheers:

Thanks for the kind words. Learning alot on this build...hope to do another like it soon.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: robfrey on November 03, 2013, 07:43:48 AM: I can't use the silly thumb control on my tig welding torch either. Just do what you do putting it between my knees or some time when welding close to floor level just using one knee.
Here a pic of Dave Chiotti our welder in a not so happy position.
(http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx135/BR_LSR/Streamliner%20project/Liner%20construction/72122cb8.jpg)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Peter Jack on November 03, 2013, 11:34:00 AM: We used to use verbal remote. The weldor would do his thing and someone would be standing on the pedal outside the chassis following the weldor's shouted orders. It actually worked fairly well as long as the pedal operator was also a fairly experienced weldor. :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 03, 2013, 12:29:46 PM: Quote from: Peter Jack on November 03, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
We used to use verbal remote. The weldor would do his thing and someone would be standing on the pedal outside the chassis following the weldor's shouted orders. It actually worked fairly well as long as the pedal operator was also a fairly experienced weldor. :-D :-D :-D

Pete

Now this I like!! That way if a weld turns out a little less than what you expected, you just blame it on the pedal operator!!! :evil: :-D
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 03, 2013, 06:37:41 PM: Door bar gussets taking shape...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1022676x1024_zpse6964d62.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1022676x1024_zpse6964d62.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10231024x598_zpsb70d61e5.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10231024x598_zpsb70d61e5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: robfrey on November 04, 2013, 12:07:45 AM: Brother, You do excellent work!!!
Please keep posting.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on November 04, 2013, 01:09:09 AM: When you're good, you're good. I still need to have everything set up on a table and even then it isn't perfect. I did find out that I needed glasses though. Only half my problem. :-D
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 04, 2013, 02:44:23 PM: So just fitting up a few more door bar supports..
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10241024x768_zpsa5db09d9.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10241024x768_zpsa5db09d9.jpg.html)
And then some counter-support on the outside at the junction point
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10261024x768_zps2a6c1bc6.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10261024x768_zps2a6c1bc6.jpg.html)
View from the front
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10271024x768_zps710e6f8e.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10271024x768_zps710e6f8e.jpg.html)
Then, cut a few tacks and yank the door X out for welding...
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10281024x768_zpscbe0f9d4.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10281024x768_zpscbe0f9d4.jpg.html)
Ahhh, much easier...lunch break!
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10291024x768_zps2705493a.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10291024x768_zps2705493a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 04, 2013, 02:46:42 PM: Also wanted to make the X removable so I could leave it out when I throw the cage back in to fit the seat mounts and column mounts.
Make my life much easier.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on November 04, 2013, 03:43:39 PM: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Too good. Man, that's beautiful.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 04, 2013, 10:39:33 PM: Got called out to the other job right after lunch, so back at it tomorrow! :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 05, 2013, 10:58:03 PM: Got some more done today...
Got door X all welded up on the bench, and some of the last major bars in place..
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10301024x768_zps79e249d3.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10301024x768_zps79e249d3.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10311024x768_zps3b00a4a1.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10311024x768_zps3b00a4a1.jpg.html)
Also got the dash metal flattened and reinforced so I can tie that area into the dash bar on final install
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10321024x575_zps21607624.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10321024x575_zps21607624.jpg.html)
Got most of the inside frame cleaned off and ready for welding etc. later on
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10331024x768_zpsf265769f.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10331024x768_zpsf265769f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on November 05, 2013, 11:06:59 PM: Chris, We know for sure you don't spend time at the Mall! :-D

You're on a mission. It looks like it's almost done, well the major stuff.

The cage is beautiful. :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 05, 2013, 11:12:04 PM: Quote from: tauruck on November 05, 2013, 11:06:59 PM
Chris, We know for sure you don't spend time at the Mall! :-D

You're on a mission. It looks like it's almost done, well the major stuff.

The cage is beautiful. :cheers:

Thanks, yeah, I get kinda focused...
Was just a little perturbed at having to go weld outside etc. all afternoon/evening yesterday when I was on such a roll inside, in the warm.
I agree, the cage is about 90% done, and about 65% welded I'm happy to say. The hard part now is gong to be welding it in, and then putting the roof back on.
Hoping to have it wrapped in 2 weeks or less. The work behind this is starting to pile up...
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 06, 2013, 10:55:03 PM: Meetings all morning then a long lunch ate up a bunch of the day....
But got some more welding done, then threw it back in to start the seat mounts, harness attachments,etc.
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1034768x1024_zps2b6e2326.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1034768x1024_zps2b6e2326.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1035768x1024_zps342b739e.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1035768x1024_zps342b739e.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_1036768x1024_zps5f0841ac.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_1036768x1024_zps5f0841ac.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_10371024x768_zps48c4d9d5.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_10371024x768_zps48c4d9d5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: SteveM on November 08, 2013, 10:32:31 AM: WOW :-o - you are really "Getting R Done". The cage work looks fantastic, as does the flattened dash and the rest of the prep work on the body/chassis.

Steve.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: SteveM on November 08, 2013, 10:43:24 AM: PS - that looks like a very stout piece of steel or iron holding your seat in place. Can I guess???? It looks to me like a section cut from a heavy walled roll body (like a steel mill work roll shell, something like that), or possibly cut from a centrifugally cast steel mill coiler "pinch" roll?

Just guessing.

Steve.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on November 09, 2013, 12:37:45 AM: Close. Ish.
Part of a wellhead welding coupon(4130)
I do consulting and fabrication for Oil and Gas.
Seemed to work nicely!
Cheers :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: kberjian on November 15, 2013, 10:58:18 AM: I am struggling to find a place that can buy the Eagle Landspeed tires I need for the car. I have tried local shops, the good year supplied for canada on their website, and have had no luck. Does anyone know of a vendor who can get them?
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Sumner on November 15, 2013, 11:08:38 AM: Quote from: kberjian on November 15, 2013, 10:58:18 AM
I am struggling to find a place that can buy the Eagle Landspeed tires I need for the car. I have tried local shops, the good year supplied for canada on their website, and have had no luck. Does anyone know of a vendor who can get them?

When we were looking a couple months back I was told that they should be available come spring, but who knows for sure. I called all the US distributors at the time....

http://www.racegoodyear.com/distributors.html (http://www.racegoodyear.com/distributors.html)

...Shelby is the major. Hooley and I have bought tires from Carter-Maxwell in Oklahoma City before but they were also out at the time. We finally found them on here and right now there are some listed in the 'for sale' section on the site.

Good luck,

Sum
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: robfrey on November 23, 2013, 04:46:29 PM: Shelby says that Goodyear has a plan to manufacture a batch sometime in December.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: bvillercr on November 28, 2013, 10:30:36 AM: Your welding and fabrications skills are amazing, keep up the great work!! :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on December 30, 2013, 01:13:35 PM: Quote from: bvillercr on November 28, 2013, 10:30:36 AM
Your welding and fabrications skills are amazing, keep up the great work!! :cheers:

Thank-you sir! More updates next week. A family illness and the holidays have kept me away.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on December 30, 2013, 01:36:45 PM: I hope the illness is a thing of the past.
Chris, you do great work and I'm sure you'll keep us subscribed for a while yet.
Same to you and yours. :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: SPARKY on December 30, 2013, 05:26:01 PM: That Cage looks like you could shove it off of Mt Everest and it would still be intact.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Scottie J on December 30, 2013, 05:30:14 PM: That is a BEAST of a roll cage! Fantastic work, very well done!

Scottie
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on March 23, 2014, 01:26:18 PM: Thanks guys. Back at this thing again finally. Rather productive day yesterday, got about another dozen tubes tacked in, only a half-dozen left I think before it goes if for final welding.
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_2892768x1024_zps87d45aaf.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_2892768x1024_zps87d45aaf.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_2893768x1024_zps73ce5f73.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_2893768x1024_zps73ce5f73.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_2895768x1024_zps4fd25e99.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_2895768x1024_zps4fd25e99.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_28971024x910_zps687ec605.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_28971024x910_zps687ec605.jpg.html)
Should get most of the other tubes in today, then weld it out this week when I'm not out at site.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on March 24, 2014, 11:42:17 AM: As much as I love this build that 3rd pic is punishment.

You're hurting me man. :-D :-D
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Finallygotit on March 24, 2014, 03:50:35 PM: Quote from: tauruck on March 24, 2014, 11:42:17 AM
As much as I love this build that 3rd pic is punishment.

You're hurting me man. :-D :-D

I know, those welds are perfection.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Scottie J on March 25, 2014, 10:02:05 PM: Did Spiderman learn how to weld?! That cage is awesome..... But how the heck do you get in?! :-D

Scottie J
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: kberjian on March 26, 2014, 10:25:20 AM: I am 6'4" but I am nimble.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: redhotracing on March 26, 2014, 10:30:43 AM: Excuse me if this has already been covered, but what kind of power do you expect out of
this engine? How much boost are you expecting? I know the old DSM motors can make a
TON of hp at 45+ psi, but I'm not familiar with the strength/limits of SRT blocks.

First rate craftsmanship on the cage and build, can't wait to see this thing run!
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: kberjian on March 26, 2014, 12:08:01 PM: Aiming for around 1000 HP at the wheels. What I can put to the salt will be different and I will be running low boost and building it up as traction allows.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: redhotracing on March 26, 2014, 01:02:01 PM: 1,000 fwhp should be fun :-D
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on April 07, 2014, 08:22:41 PM: Made some more headway on this....
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/1560400_663473850366431_1566628763_n_zpsa395d6d4.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/1560400_663473850366431_1566628763_n_zpsa395d6d4.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_30421024x1024_zpsc996d567.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_30421024x1024_zpsc996d567.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_30451024x1024_zpsc61ecdc5.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_30451024x1024_zpsc61ecdc5.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_51421024x683_zps7e01389e.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_51421024x683_zps7e01389e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Finallygotit on April 08, 2014, 10:35:50 AM: That's not a roll cage, it's a survival cell. Not that that's a bad thing. Amazing craftsmanship! :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on April 08, 2014, 10:50:15 AM: I agree 100% and what's even more amazing is that most of it was done seated or lying in awkward positions.

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on July 07, 2014, 08:41:56 AM: Couple of teasers while I have coffee, she's going home tonight!!! Lots of pics to come...
Cage welding
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_43311024x1024_zpsf0bf972b.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_43311024x1024_zpsf0bf972b.jpg.html)
Parachute mount work...

(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_43291024x1024_zps57409bba.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_43291024x1024_zps57409bba.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_43301024x1024_zps22f899ba.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_43301024x1024_zps22f899ba.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_43151024x1024_zpsa28f0525.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_43151024x1024_zpsa28f0525.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4317769x1024_zpsed7748f9.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4317769x1024_zpsed7748f9.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4319545x1024_zps5ff143a1.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4319545x1024_zps5ff143a1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: SPARKY on July 07, 2014, 10:59:07 AM: This cage looks like it would be right at home in a "Bounce Truck" but then if you are going to put 1000 to a FWD car a stiff platform will be appreciated. :-)
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on July 07, 2014, 05:02:23 PM: I grew up with Canadian guys and always liked them but only now do I get the sense of humour.

You're rubbing our noses in it Chris. :-D

Why don't you use a lousy out of focus camera like mine???.

Awesome work brother. Just awesome. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Peter Jack on July 07, 2014, 08:23:14 PM: Nice job Chris. I should have wandered out while it was there. Oh well, I'll get out there and see your set up one of these days while the weather's still nice.

Pete
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: kberjian on July 09, 2014, 12:28:09 PM: Car is on a trailer now in Calgary for the day (Macloed and Southland drive), then back at Cochrane at my place for the next few weeks at least if you wanted to see it. It is amazing to behold the craftsmanship on it that Chris put in.
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on July 10, 2014, 01:12:21 AM: :cheers:
Gonna miss that car...
Ok, picture dump!!!!

Start with exhaust... 3.5"321 down pipe..
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4378_zpsa2aed401.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4378_zpsa2aed401.jpg.html)
Inside penetration
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4357_zpsdb396ed9.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4357_zpsdb396ed9.jpg.html)
Outside
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4358_zps1c3f8c10.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4358_zps1c3f8c10.jpg.html)
2.5" dump
Tacked up over the down pipe
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4362_zpsf8851cd2.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4362_zpsf8851cd2.jpg.html)
V-band flange weld
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4390_zps6886d18e.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4390_zps6886d18e.jpg.html)
Parachute mount
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4361_zps572e87e3.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4361_zps572e87e3.jpg.html)
weld
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4351_zps4433a373.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4351_zps4433a373.jpg.html)
Cageness...
As viewed from top rear
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4379_zpsb507084e.png) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4379_zpsb507084e.png.html)
weld
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4365_zps5f64c7a8.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4365_zps5f64c7a8.jpg.html)
P/S
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4382_zps92433054.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4382_zps92433054.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4383_zpse178cb69.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4383_zpse178cb69.jpg.html)
Safety first!!!
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4395_zps29489570.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4395_zps29489570.jpg.html)
Roof on with sunrrof delete panel and roof rails
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4387_zpsf98d974f.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4387_zpsf98d974f.jpg.html)
Jail as viewed from lower passenger side while loading
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4417_zps007243f6.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4417_zps007243f6.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4416_zps87189a08.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4416_zps87189a08.jpg.html)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4418_zpsa4904a71.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4418_zpsa4904a71.jpg.html)
Fuel cell mounting
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/9bells/IMG_4406_zps6f26a514.jpg) (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/9bells/media/IMG_4406_zps6f26a514.jpg.html)

That's it!!!
Was quite the experience. I'm going to stay active on here obviously (hooked). Hope to meet more members over the years.
Cheers
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on July 10, 2014, 03:00:42 AM: Thanks for letting us see the great craftsmanship.
What a job!!!

Chris, you rock man. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Finallygotit on July 10, 2014, 10:26:39 AM: Nice work!! Although "nice" doesn't even begin to describe that craftsmanship. :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: SteveM on July 10, 2014, 11:22:06 AM: Artistry. :-o

Steve
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: kberjian on August 14, 2014, 12:42:59 AM: After almost two years sourcing/waiting for tires they are here!
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/3342D8FA-4E81-42E9-8D07-D61F96509AC6_zps4zjd2dxc.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/kberjian/media/SRT-4/3342D8FA-4E81-42E9-8D07-D61F96509AC6_zps4zjd2dxc.jpg.html)

I also am finishing mounting all the accesories onto the engine before I drop it back in.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/0E45467E-0CEF-4691-99D5-F865CB561F6A_zpsnj0slk0k.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/kberjian/media/SRT-4/0E45467E-0CEF-4691-99D5-F865CB561F6A_zpsnj0slk0k.jpg.html)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kberjian/SRT-4/DF392500-D54C-4E94-9BB6-F982D2B98FF1_zpsfd0mvju6.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/kberjian/media/SRT-4/DF392500-D54C-4E94-9BB6-F982D2B98FF1_zpsfd0mvju6.jpg.html)

Also spent a few hours unraveling the mystery of the universe in wire form... Sure am glad I printed all 1400 pages of the factory service manual to help decipher it.
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Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: tauruck on August 15, 2014, 01:57:35 AM: Nice groceries there Chris. :cheers:
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: unobtainium on September 25, 2014, 11:27:55 AM: Great to see tires!!!!
Ah the wiring... so much fun in that pile of copper!!
Title: Re: 2004 Neon SRT-4 PS/F Build
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 25, 2014, 12:37:36 PM: Chris,
Just an observation but I predict that your cage will NEVER collapse!! Hope you never have to test it. Other than a few extra tubes that are some what redundant that is one beautiful job and the welding is absolutely the finest I have ever seen! I am going to steal your door bar junction treatment for the next cage I build, really a great idea. Looking forward to seeing you at the Salt!!

Rex