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Title: Speed Demon
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 20, 2012, 10:22:45 AM
Speed Demon's 400+ scorecard

Speedweek 2012
VehicleEngineBodyQuarterMile1Mile2Mile3Exit Speed
715CBFS318.353341.168390.195419.055427.468
1715DBFS325.616345.768385.095401.431398.237
1715DBFS324.270342.003378.067399.863408.549
1715DBFS322.186342.589382.262401.329409.132
1715DBFS333.460354.826399.153423.325430.593
Speedweek 2012 Record
VehicleOld RecordRecord
1715DBFS404.562422.509
Shootout 2011EntryKiloMileExit
715439.775442.830442.854446.057
715452.944458.189457.964462.345
715436.000441.200441.000445.500
Speedweek 2011
VehicleEngineBodyQuarterMile1Mile2Mile3Exit Speed
715CBFS313.949333.033376.028408.460421.009
715CBFS322.222343.459388.314416.539426.910
715CBFS311.347334.614381.801408.732411.836
Speedweek 2011
VehicleOld RecordRecord
715CBFS366.043390.709
Shootout 2010EntryKiloMileexit
715403.488413.537413.256422.546
715419.611417.73415.649405.196
Speedweek 2010VehicleMile2QuarterMile3Mile4Mile5Exit Speed
1715DBFS275.904326.338345.070384.063407.426416.097
1715DBFS266.744317.570337.242377.463405.931417.596
1715DBFS266.296320.942340.870382.869409.847418.486
Speedweek 2010 RecordOld RecordRecord
1715DBFS358.536394.372
1715DBFS394.372404.562
Shoutout 2009EntryKiloMileExit
434.252436.067435.685435.868
Speedweek 2009QuarterMile3Mile4Mile5Exit Speed
1715DBFS299.744319.739366.627394.346401.285

Or just the list of speeds
462.345
446.057
445.500
436.067
430.593
427.468
426.910
422.546
422.509
421.009
419.611
418.486
417.596
416.097
411.836
409.132
408.549
404.562
401.431
401.285


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: wheelrdealer on August 20, 2012, 10:43:36 AM
Dean of LA

Nice stats.
I bet that 7 speed tranie is nice.
Great numbers with a "D" motor. You guys give a "D" motor guy some hope. Now if I can just talk Kennie into building me a "D" motor...
Congrats, job well done.

Bill


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: ls7gto on August 24, 2012, 05:29:13 PM
this may be a dumb  newbie question, but has anybody else been over 400 as many times with a piston powered car?  just curious.


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: Bob Drury on August 24, 2012, 06:32:06 PM
  No one else has had a budget that allows them too............  Hats off to George and Ron.


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: JonAmo on August 26, 2012, 11:11:47 AM
You think budget has anything to do with the ability to drive a race car, great weather conditions that have allowed the vehicle to race, proper planning and a great crew. Don Vesco & Tom Burkland probably would have just has many runs over 400. Would you call their attempts on a large budget? Don's unfortunate death in early 2000's stopped for more 400 mph attempts, Tom Burkland and his fabulous crew worked hard for their numbers and track conditions (those favorable for their likeing) prevented them from running more and Gene's death probably took a major toll on the family and crew. Those run that were accomplished didn't have anything to do with money. IF al Teague didn't retire from racing the car had plenty of 400 mph runs under its tires past and very possible future, so it's not the money because the last three didn't ahve any and most trips down the salt were 400+.

Jon


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 26, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Jon you are spot on. Hats off to all that have even attempted.

Did anyone hear what broke on the "C" motor?

BTW I saw the last seconds of a Goodyear commercial for a Speed Demon tire. I think Ron should sue.  :evil:


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: dieselgeek on August 26, 2012, 03:04:32 PM
agree with JonAmo, and frustrated by everyone who has to follow up every good record with "all it takes is money" - I see plenty of guys pouring tons of money into a project going nowhere, and plenty of low buck guys setting records.

A friend of mine ran one of the lowest buck cars I know of...  His turbochargers came from the junkyard, literally.  He holds the AA/BGALT record.  This car is far more interesting and "cool" than a high dollar effort that hasn't achieved anything (although some here think they should be faxed the record before their car even moves under its own power, gimme a break)

I love the Poteet and Main efforts, those are some of the nicest down-to-earth guys you can meet.  I highly suggest visiting with them if you haven't met them already.  Lots of money doesn't automatically mean you'll nail down a record.  Successful projects require time, talent, and resources, and it's the different combination of the three that makes the successful cars at Bonneville so interesting to see.


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: jl222 on August 29, 2012, 07:32:48 PM
  If you guys don't think deep pockets don't have any thing to do with records from certain cars you live in LALA land.
 There is a big difference in teams that build there own engines, cars and have UNPAID crew members and Daddy big bucks that has every thing build for him, pays the crew and all expences, including rip off hotel  prices at Bendover and gets in and drives.
  Blow a motor? have the paid crew put another one in, blow a trans put another one in.
 Spin and flatspot tires no problem.

 Dieselgeek...what was the cost of the build of the Daytona ''Twilight zone''?

  Jon... A lot of ''unpaid'' crew members and owners use Bville as their vacation time and can't go to the salt for every meet.

 Get Real...JL222





 

                 

   
   


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: dieselgeek on August 29, 2012, 07:49:37 PM
 If you guys don't think deep pockets don't have any thing to do with records from certain cars you live in LALA land.
 There is a big difference in teams that build there own engines, cars and have UNPAID crew members and Daddy big bucks that has every thing build for him, pays the crew and all expences, including rip off hotel  prices at Bendover and gets in and drives.
  Blow a motor? have the paid crew put another one in, blow a trans put another one in.
 Spin and flatspot tires no problem.

 Dieselgeek...what was the cost of the build of the Daytona ''Twilight zone''?

  Jon... A lot of ''unpaid'' crew members and owners use Bville as their vacation time and can't go to the salt for every meet.

 Get Real...JL222

JL, relax.  I didn't say "money has nothing to do with it"

I used GH's car as an example that you can do well with low bucks just as much as the big dollar teams do.  He holds the AA/BGALT record, one that I am sure you guys will likely take in the near future.

I'm guessing you think the #97 car was a Buy it and Drive it deal, but that couldn't be further from the truth.  You'd be surprised at the corners we cut just to make it to the show this year!  It was going to show up in primer but Randy, the crew chief and painter, worked around the clock to make it look half decent (notice the paint color mismatch on the fenders and nose? ha).  We couldn't have made the 2012 event if we'd have run the high dollar EFI and datalogging similar to what you guys run.  I made that EFI system from radioshack and DigiKey parts on the kitchen table with my own hands *because I can*, same for the datalogging (it's even FARTHER out there!  totally home made).  there's maybe 5K in our ignition, EFI, and logging which includes suspension travel, wheel speed, GPS speed, all fluids temps and pressure, etc.  Price that out, it's nearly $40K in electronics if you're doing it with commercially available systems...

We farmed out the motor work because none of us have the assembly skills you and Troy have (LOVE following your build, been reading it for years now).  But, saving $35K on the electronics balanced that choice out.    (And NO, I would NOT recommend for most people here to try and home-make their own electronics when there are plenty of vendors out there who have already sorted out the bugs and pitfalls for you!!)

At bonneville, you do what you can with what you have.   Money doesn't guarantee a record, and being low budget doesn't rule you out of taking one either.

Also, B-ville was my vacation.  I don't have any hours left otherwise you'd see me there in October!!  So I know where you are coming from.  Don't let shiny paint and good fab work fool you, we struggle just like everyone else.


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: jl222 on August 29, 2012, 08:02:55 PM
  If you guys don't think deep pockets don't have any thing to do with records from certain cars you live in LALA land.
 There is a big difference in teams that build there own engines, cars and have UNPAID crew members and Daddy big bucks that has every thing build for him, pays the crew and all expences, including rip off hotel  prices at Bendover and gets in and drives.
  Blow a motor? have the paid crew put another one in, blow a trans put another one in.
 Spin and flatspot tires no problem.

 Dieselgeek...what was the cost of the build of the Daytona ''Twilight zone''?

  Jon... A lot of ''unpaid'' crew members and owners use Bville as their vacation time and can't go to the salt for every meet.

 Get Real...JL222

JL, relax.  I didn't say "money has nothing to do with it"

I used GH's car as an example that you can do well with low bucks just as much as the big dollar teams do.  He holds the AA/BGALT record, one that I am sure you guys will likely take in the near future.

I'm guessing you think the #97 car was a Buy it and Drive it deal, but that couldn't be further from the truth.  You'd be surprised at the corners we cut just to make it to the show this year!  It was going to show up in primer but Randy, the crew chief and painter, worked around the clock to make it look half decent (notice the paint color mismatch on the fenders and nose? ha).  We couldn't have made the 2012 event if we'd have run the high dollar EFI and datalogging similar to what you guys run.  I made that EFI system form radioshack parts with my own hands *because I could*, same for the datalogging (it's even FARTHER out there!  totally home made). 

We farmed out the motor work because none of us have the assembly skills you and Troy have (LOVE following your build, been reading it for years now).  But, saving $30K on the electronics package balanced that choice out.    (And NO, I would NOT recommend for most people here to try and home-make their own electronics when there are plenty of vendors out there who ahve already sorted out the bugs and pitfalls for you!!)

At bonneville, you do what you can with what you have.   Money doesn't guarantee a record, and being low budget doesn't rule you out of taking one either.

Also, B-ville was my vacation.  I don't have any hours left otherwise you'd see me there in October!!  So I know where you are coming from.  Don't let shiny paint and good fab work fool you, we struggle just like everyone else.

  $30,000 DOLLARS :-D  thats 3 times more than our cost including install and welding manifold ''unpaid crew''

 Gary took the AA record from us set with a big hole in piston from a dropped valve.
 Twilight took our record set spining through the 3 mile with the chute out.

         JL222
   


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: dieselgeek on August 29, 2012, 08:09:06 PM
We know what's going to happen when your bad luck runs out JL.  You should hear the team discussions on the wide tires too.  We love them.  Happily we will pass the torch when it's time   :cheers:


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: Eddieschopshop on October 17, 2017, 04:51:58 PM
Th speed demon is awesome. Crew and owner included. I have a great deal of respect for all. But having motor tires and trans to spare as well as a paid crew to change and maintain not to mention prep are te reasons for the quantities of runs over 400.  All of which come down to budget. You have to have a car capable which is talent and experience but the spares and crew and best of everything is mjnkey plain and simple. I don't intend to deminish any accomplishments because that isn't te case.  Look at all te times the car has broke parts or motors etc. it's not like the car performs flawlessly over and over. Anyone with my budget would be going home after the first motor blew.


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: John Burk on October 17, 2017, 07:26:41 PM
Speed Demon is so fast because Ron thought outside the box . Downforce , waste gate traction control , a manageable amount of power . George came because it went fast . The money didn't make it fast . It allowed them to keep replacing and improving things .


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: stay`tee on October 17, 2017, 07:34:47 PM
Kids, its not a "Biggest Dick"(how many passes) competition,, first you "Play Within "YOUR" Budget", then "Desire", then "Results (records)" will naturally follow  8-)


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: Eddieschopshop on October 18, 2017, 12:25:45 AM
i didn't notice this was an hold thread.  some spammer brought it up it looks like


Title: Re: Speed Demon
Post by: racergeo on October 20, 2017, 01:27:17 PM
       The brilliance of George Poteet is that he is able to recognize the talented and capable people to surround himself and accomplish the incredible results he has achieved. He is old! He could build this car with Sparky's resources if he was 30 but he doesn't have that much time. You don't build a 400 plus MPH car on a budget unless you have a death wish. Oh and I used Sparky as an example because I consider him one of the most capable and successful budget builders of the current era.  George