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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: Hooley on April 18, 2012, 10:31:04 PM
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Will the Rocket Fuel man have Methanol at the Ohio Mile or do I need to bring what I'll be using?
When running FUEL class, containers need not be sealed ,do they?
Need Info,
Hooley
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It's my understanding that only gas classes must have a sealed containers.
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Hooley,
For Gas class you must buy the event GAS or have a sealed can inspected and take sealed,,
For Fuel,,, you are OK to bring your own any way you like,,
See you next weekend.
Charles
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Thank you 57Ranchwagon and Charles,
I thought that was how it works. If He doesn't sell Methanol I better go get a barrel and bring most of. We think we have a handle on this methanol now. Can't stand to brake the motor again .
See you next week.
Hooley
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Hooley, I don't know if there'll be alky at the track, either -- but keep in mind that if you stop at a DOT scale or cross a bridge where you might get inspected -- that you'll have some fancy explaining to do (shades of racers carrying fuel across the Hoover dam) about that 55-gallong drum of methanol. Plan your route accordingly or have MSDS and fire extinguishers and that kind of stuff ready in case the nice DOT lady wants to see inside the trailer.
I'm not sure that you'll be running across places that might give you a hassle -- but just in case. . . :-D
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Hooley, I don't know if there'll be alky at the track, either -- but keep in mind that if you stop at a DOT scale or cross a bridge where you might get inspected -- that you'll have some fancy explaining to do (shades of racers carrying fuel across the Hoover dam) about that 55-gallong drum of methanol. Plan your route accordingly or have MSDS and fire extinguishers and that kind of stuff ready in case the nice DOT lady wants to see inside the trailer.
I'm not sure that you'll be running across places that might give you a hassle -- but just in case. . . :-D
It's even more fun when you cross the Canadian border on the way to Loring. :lol:
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It's even more fun when you cross the Canadian border on the way to Loring. :lol:
did you have issues at the border ? with gasoline or methanol ? what amount would cause a problem ?
we were thinking of traveling in canada between niagara falls and the limestone (?) crossing for july lta.
thanks,
franey
anything else to be aware of ?
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Here's one that you might not know - about crossing into Canada: The Canadians take a dim view on foreigner drivers (that'd be us going to or through Canada) that have received any type of drunk driving ticket in the past ten (10) years. It's common practice for the border guards to ask for identification when you're trying to cross, and they'll run the driver license number through the computer to see about your record. I imagine they'd take a dim view on many types of tickets, for that matter. They have the right to, if they find a record they don't like, refuse you entry into their country. At that point you've got no alternative but to turn around and either take a US-only route - or try another border crossing point and maybe show a passport instead of driver license*. If you think you might be affected by any of this type of law I'd suggest a query to the Provincial police before leaving home.
* Maybe the rules have changed now and you MUST have both driver license and passport or something like that. We always carry passports when we travel - feeling that not all that many terrorists carry a US passport.
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Passports are the way to go whichever country you're coming from or going to. They're now mandatory.
Pete
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Boy, I sure hadn't thought about whats involved hauling fuel. I have an open trailer with a box on front. The fuel will be in 5 gal fuel cans. There are fire putter outters inside the trailer too. Won't have to stop at any DOT places unless they make us. I hope there won't be any of those bridges or such either. Jon, thanks for mentioning that.
Hooley
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Hooley, I am overjoyed that you are once again turning money into smoke and noise.
Give 'em H E double tooth picks.
FREUD
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Wish I could be there with ya Hooley but other things come first. I understand that Kenny will be there though. Good luck.
Charlie - just a Hooligan.
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Charlie,
You will be missed and talked about. All Good
Freud, Good to hear from you. Your right about sending money up in smoke. Are you going to Speed Week?
Hooley
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I'll be there Hooley. See you then.
FREUD
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The closest dealer to Wilmington for methanol is Duncan Oil Co. in Beavercreek, Ohio, 24 miles approx. 30 min. from the airpark. Duncan will be open on week days until 7:00 p.m. and on Sat. until noon. They have alky at the pump for 2.65/gal. or a 55 gal. barrell for 2.55/gal. I have used thier fuel from the pump with no problems.
Duncan Oil Co.
849 Factory Road
Beavercreek, Ohio 45434
(937) 426-5945
Ask for; Ryan
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Thanks for the lead on Duncan Oil. I got a barrel in Fri. I can't carry that much but will have 25 gal. plus the 8 gal in the fuel tank.
There are others needing this info.
Thank You,
Hooley
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Guys thinking of going thru Canada - another issue. If you have a mutt (or a cat, I 'spose) you'll need a current shot record from an accredited vet clinic. One of those things that most wouldn't think of (me included).
My daughter recently married a Canadian guy and moved there w/pets so she gave us the heads-up. She also recommends a full-on passport. You can apply for a "card" but it opens you to more scrutiny by the Canadian guards. It's a bit more expensive to get the passport but then you have it if you want to go anywhere else.
Dan
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Back to the fuel thing.Sense we are are primarily just going for a licsnes run with a non discript engine would we "have" to get fuel at the track? :?
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You can run T/O (Time Only) and just run for licenses up to whatever speed you are tech'd up to and run anything in the tank.
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Guys thinking of going thru Canada - another issue.
dan,
do you know anything about 5 gallon containers of gasoline coming over the border. into canada and back into the us at a different crossing ?
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Thanks MiltonP, thats what I was think'n cus Amy is only going for her D license,125-149mph, and for our first run with a new I purposely built it to 135 spec. No need to spend the cabbage if ya ain't got to. It's plenty safe, just not up to "over" 135 spec.
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Saw this on the ECTA site:
"Event Fuel: All competitors must run event fuel. We will be using Rocket Brand Fuel."
What exactly does that mean? I hope it doesn't mean what it says?? Sorry if this has been covered, but I haven't been online much....
Shane
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Maybe it was just updated, but this is what I see on the site:
Event Gas
We will be using Rocket Brand Gas.
100 Octane Unleaded
112 Octane ( if you ran 111 last year, it was really 112 )
114 Octane
118 Octane
So if you want to run in a fuel class, you can run what you like.
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I am pretty sure T/O didn't going away with the move to Wilmington and is probably the way to go if you don't plan on running all out. If you decide to go with a fuel (F) class make sure you read the rule book carefully as there are some differences on safety gear that I believe still apply even if you are only running pump gas.
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It's even more fun when you cross the Canadian border on the way to Loring. :lol:
did you have issues at the border ? with gasoline or methanol ? what amount would cause a problem ?
we were thinking of traveling in canada between niagara falls and the limestone (?) crossing for july lta.
thanks,
franey
anything else to be aware of ?
Make sure the fuel is in sealed and clearly labeled containers. Nothing open. Of course, this is only an issue if they ask.
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Am I wrong or will the type of gas or fuel you are running never come up until you go to impound for a record? Meaning you can run whatever you want if you aren't gonna go to impound. For example when when licensing up, you can run non event fuel, then when you start making runs at the record you pump out the tank and use event gas.
Of course this weekend there will be alot of new records I suppose so you may want to run event fuel regardless.
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IF you are running in a GAS class your tank has to be sealed prior to your run. The gas vendor has been handling this and it's reasonable to assume that this will continue. If you bring your own gas in a sealed container (like a new 5 gallon can of VP, for example) the vendor can install that for you and seal your tank at that point. There IS a charge for that service. Staff can (and sometimes does) check the tank for an intact seal following a record run.
If you are running FUEL or T/O, or never qualify for a record, no one will check. "Fuel" is anything that isn't gasoline so there's no reason to check. Remember, N2O qualifies as "fuel" regardless of what's in the tank - but if you plan to remove the bottle and make subsequent passes in gas classes remember to keep the tank sealed.
So far there have been no provisions for "Event Diesel" so it's treated like fuel.
All this was true at Maxton and is my understanding of the situation at Ohio. Hopefully Joe or Keith can add in here if I got it wrong.
Dan
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Guys thinking of going thru Canada - another issue.
dan,
do you know anything about 5 gallon containers of gasoline coming over the border. into canada and back into the us at a different crossing ?
I'm iggernt on that one. I don't think Steph and Mike brought anything like that across.
Sorry
Dan
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thanks rt and dan.
bf