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Title: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on March 05, 2012, 02:22:13 AM
Iíve been on here for a little while and though i should start a build thread.

My dadís building a streamliner so for shits and giggles we've decided to use his left over parts (and a fair few that werenít left over  :evil:) to build a bike to race for myself.

The highest part of the bike is the top triple clamp at just under 900mm (using standard vfr400 forks we had lying around, same DIA but around 125mm shorter) my whole body is pretty much level with the top triple clamp and my head is just high enough to see over it.

it doesnít run a radiator, under my seat is a coolant tank and its setup to only draw water as it needs it (i expect it to get reasonably hot under my arse :-o). we decided to get rid of the radiators because we want this engine to run as close to how it will be running in this bike as it will in the streamliner. The fuel tank is the small tank you see in front of the tank I will be sitting on. it hold enough fuel for us to do our run but will probably need to be refilled between runs. behind my arse you see all the electrical stuff, the battery is the one out of my road bike, thereís a data logger with a wide band o2 sensor to help us set the bike up, an Ignitech ignition with a custom ignition map in it, and a tip over sensor that cuts the fuel and spark if the bike leans over more than 45 degree's, thatís only on there to make sure that the vibrations of running on the salt doesnít Plymouth it off too much (more testing for the streamliner :roll:) other than that itís a pretty stock standard 1987 cbr1000f, itís been a bit of a spur of the moment job we only decided about 4 weeks ago that we were going to run it, before that it was just a frame. we robbed the engine back out of the streamliner, assembled the bike and started cutting things off it.



(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7721/img2844px.jpg)



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(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8294/lsr7.jpg)



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(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2634/20120226electricssmall.jpg)



(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3394/20120226exhaustsmall.jpg)



(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6162/20120211seatglasssmall.jpg)


This is what we are testing all the bits and pieces for, once i get some more photo's of dads bike Iíll see if he will let me start a build thread.


(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5172/streamliner.jpg)


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: oz on March 05, 2012, 02:58:50 PM
Excellent pleased to see another CBR doing the LSR thing the streamliner is looking good hope the carbs are ok,nice tail section I am going to have to use Aluminium on mine as I cant do glass work....Yet
Tell yer old man I almost have the Injection sorted.
Best of luck Dave.
Oz


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: donpearsall on March 05, 2012, 10:15:54 PM
Davie,
Thanks for the build thread. Good luck with the project. I ran a no-radiator coolant tank on my turbo Hayabusa for 2 seasons and it worked great. No overheating at all.
What venue are you going to run it at first?

Don


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on March 06, 2012, 12:10:55 AM
Hi Don
Thanks for the info, Iíve been thinking about how warm Iím going to get but I think with some insulation and the seat myself and the coolant tank I should be ok, I shouldnít need any thermals under my leathers anyways  :-D . I live in Australia so the bike will be run at Lake Gardner.

Oz, dads really happy with the carbís, im pretty sure he has them on another 1000f at the moment while he is making a base curve for the ignitech.


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on June 18, 2012, 06:08:03 AM
I have not made a lot of progress but I thought I would do an update.

After fiddling around with some spare parts I had left over from an old project, reading and re-reading the rules. I've changed the headstock angle 3 degree's and extended the swingarm 85mm to take me to 10mm under the 10% over stock wheelbase rule for my class.

I've moved the front wheel to make room for my turbo I hope to run soon, and moved the rear wheel back to help make the rear of the bike a streamline as I can.

*image shack is not working on my phone, sorry*


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on June 18, 2012, 06:35:30 AM

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w278/jonra23/9bcca490.jpg)




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Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on December 10, 2012, 06:51:22 AM
Not a whole lot new to add.

The frame, swing arm, subframe, and tanks are all at the sandblasters at the moment so I have been doing little odd jobs until I get them back.

I have a few pics of the exhaust getting wire brushed, painted then wrapped, I will attach them tomorrow my phone is being a pain.


The bike will be running in a different class now after I found some Charlie Toy bodywork cheap and decided to set it up from the start with methanol.

I'll throw some photos on here tomorrow. :-D


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on December 10, 2012, 10:37:00 PM
The exhaust after wire brushing and changing the collector

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(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w278/jonra23/E41B700A-BEC7-4477-BED9-865E776D0BAD-1348-00000358320074B0.jpg)



After painting

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After Wrapping

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The triple clamp before

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After

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Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 11, 2012, 12:00:35 AM
It helps to locate the pegs so you are not all scrunched up.  A fellow is not as flexible when wearing leathers.  Also, a guy gets older.  My bike is set up how I was comfortable eight years ago.  Its a bit of a tight fit now.   


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on December 11, 2012, 06:04:31 AM
It helps to locate the pegs so you are not all scrunched up.  A fellow is not as flexible when wearing leathers.  Also, a guy gets older.  My bike is set up how I was comfortable eight years ago.  Its a bit of a tight fit now.   

My pegs will be moving now to suit my new body work.


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on December 12, 2012, 03:48:48 AM
Slowly coming together after sandblasting and painting  :mrgreen:


(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w278/jonra23/CBE35CAC-A03D-4027-B2FA-96731889BAC5-2676-000004A2DDB32360.jpg)


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on December 12, 2012, 04:40:29 AM
Forks back in and sitting on the ground. (thought I was going to break the cloths line if I kept going)

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(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w278/jonra23/4AF4BC7F-4CE7-4624-A086-B7C6FA990B18-2676-000004AC48231CC9.jpg)

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Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Old Scrambler on December 12, 2012, 11:20:32 AM
Just a thought.............about the wrapped pipes.........the wrap seems to make them look slow and will catch salt.


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DND on December 12, 2012, 11:59:38 AM
I was just wondering what the pipe wrapping does for you.

Thanks, Don


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: fredvance on December 12, 2012, 12:06:04 PM
Wrapping keeps the heat in the pipe, prevents the pipe from disapating heat. The exhaust flows better with the pipe hot.


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Peter Jack on December 12, 2012, 12:24:56 PM
More importantly it keeps hands and arms from coming in contact with the bare pipe!  :evil: :roll: :-D

Pete


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: fredvance on December 12, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
There is that also. 8-)


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Jon on December 12, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
I'm surprised you one it was a "clothes" line, only ever seen you paint stuff on it. ;)


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Gu11ett on December 12, 2012, 09:22:56 PM
They make a spray that will help seal the pipe wrap so it does not absorb as much moisture and salt.  Also it helps stop it from fraying.


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 13, 2012, 01:04:28 AM
The wind on the pipe while racing is quite strong and it can cool the pipe down some.  The exhaust gas is cooler and the speed of sound within it changes.  This alters the optimum rpm when the exhaust tuning works best.

This was a problem I had this year.  In the past the pipes were tucked in behind the fairing and out of the main air flow.  The environment they were in during the race was similar to the one at the dyno where they were tuned.  A mild breeze across the pipes, at best.  The power curve recorded on the dyno matched what happened on the flats.

Last year the fairing design was changed and the headers were out in the hurricane force wind when I raced.  The power curve observed while riding was much different than it was on the dyno.  The peak power rpm was about 1000 rpm lower that what was expected.  The bike acted like it had longer pipes than it had on the dyno.

Some math showed me that cooling the pipes and the exhaust gas one to two hundred degrees altered their tuned lengths.  They acted like longer pipes.  The headers will be wrapped this year to keep them warm so the tuned length on the salt resembles their tuned length when we did the dyno work. 


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on January 05, 2013, 05:07:40 AM
Little more progress, engine in, headers mounted, spare wheels on (good wheels have been lightened,have no brake rotor mounts and are a metallic bronze)

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w278/jonra23/462D89EF-5EFC-4E74-9A7B-99B6047B0DA6-5180-000006094724C238.jpg)

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Body work test fitted....

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If I don't go for a ride I will have them mounted properly tomorrow.

The fairings are going dark metallic blue. :-D


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Koncretekid on January 05, 2013, 07:35:01 AM
Never mind the bike, I'm digging the palm trees and the sailboats in the neighbor's yard!

Did you borrow those fork stanchions from one of Dad's old choppers, or are they really pulled up thru the triple clamps that far?  Will they interfere with getting your head down?  If you shorten them and shorten the springs, they will get stiffer, which might be a good thing.

Tom


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on January 05, 2013, 03:43:59 PM
The front forks are the original forks  :-). They will be getting cut down once we work out what height the bike is running etc.


The cat and palm tree's are both dads tho.


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Captthundarr on January 05, 2013, 08:01:14 PM
The cat and palm tree's are both dads tho.

I like Dad, nice build :cheers:


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on January 06, 2013, 03:31:33 AM
Foot pegs mounted in new spot.

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(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w278/jonra23/27F23543-90E4-433C-A6B3-2B24338609A5-5720-0000070E9D6028F6.jpg)


Rear body work is mounted, front is half done. Looks no different tho.
 :-D


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on January 08, 2013, 06:52:57 AM
Marking out my back wheel.

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After cutting.

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Body work fitted properly now with my belly pan made up.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w278/jonra23/4F2946E9-D6AF-45FE-B775-3F0DE91C9971-630-000000FBB6D9F556.jpg)

Still need to finish my dummy tank shell then my body work is all done.


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: twodear on January 09, 2013, 01:26:19 AM
Nice work Dave - sorta has a Tron Light-cycle look to it.

Did you add gussets where you extended the swing arm? The one photo of the weld made it look a bit suss...


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Koncretekid on January 09, 2013, 08:15:38 AM
Just curious - - why did you cut out the rear fairing to expose the wheels?
Tom


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: fredvance on January 09, 2013, 10:34:21 AM
That makes it a mps instead of aps. :-D


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Jon on February 09, 2013, 06:08:26 PM
4 days till leaving.
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Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on February 10, 2013, 07:16:30 AM
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Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: DavieB on February 10, 2013, 06:22:19 PM
the coolant syatem is a "bypass thermostat" setup, this one is from a Thermo-Bob 1" universal kit

It's got a 85C thermostat in it, no water circulates through the tank until 85C, this should help bring the motor up to temp quickly and help maintain it at a good temp for methanol.


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Jon on February 10, 2013, 06:57:25 PM
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Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: tauruck on February 11, 2013, 05:41:14 AM
Go you good thing. That thing looks fast standing still. :-)


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Rex Schimmer on February 11, 2013, 01:29:32 PM
Just a comment on the bypass style cooling system, if you want to do that on any system use an early 80s BMW 320i thermostat. They have three connections and work just as Jon has shown, the water is bypassed through the engine until the temp setting of the thermostat is reached and then it is routed through the radiator. Works really well.

Rex


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Duck-Stew on February 15, 2013, 10:37:22 AM
Just a comment on the bypass style cooling system, if you want to do that on any system use an early 80s BMW 320i thermostat. They have three connections and work just as Jon has shown, the water is bypassed through the engine until the temp setting of the thermostat is reached and then it is routed through the radiator. Works really well.

Rex

Looked into 'Thermo-Bob' @ >$100.  Looked into a BMW 320i thermostat:  $20.  I know which way I'm going...

Thanks Rex!


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: twodear on March 01, 2013, 06:59:37 PM
Not sure why Dave is shy, but he did well...qualified okay to run at 200 mph on the short track, unable to actually set a record though on the long track due to side wind issues...

come on Dave, fill in the gaps. :cheers:


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 01, 2013, 09:14:32 PM
Not sure why Dave is shy, but he did well...qualified okay to run at 200 mph on the short track, unable to actually set a record though on the long track due to side wind issues...

He did indeed, we camped with Dave and his dad Jon.........I couldn't help but be reminded of something my big brother used to say to me occasionally when I was Dave's age or younger, "you don't HAVE top be such a smartarse to people you've just met"...... They, Jon and Dave were really great company, know their stuff and go hard.

Dave you absolutely blitzed, 202 on your first year, on a thou'.....great effort, looking forward to spending more time at the salt with you and the old man. :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: M-G CBR1000F
Post by: Jon on March 01, 2013, 11:04:22 PM
Sounds like Dave might have changed the story to protect the guilty James. (not you Goggles, the other guy is James two, I mean too, I mean also)

Dave was let down by my lack of knowledge tuning Methanol, everything I low about it cames from 1 book "5,000hp on Methanol".

When his old bike is hot it goes not too bad, when its cold it runs like a hairy dog and couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding.
On the GPS track he could do runs in reasonable quick succession, the first run of the day would be ordinary, rest of the day ok.
We tried to get it warm at the start of the long track but I think it is getting a fair bit too much fuel so it runs cold.
It ran pretty ordinary and he pulled off before the timed section so not to hold everyone up.
He had fun, got his 175 licence, we learnt a lot and got to hang out with some really good people, no record run but you get that.
The week was a success.

jon
(Dave's Brolly B1tch)