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Title: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on February 26, 2012, 11:19:50 PM
After running on the salt last year with my dad and brother in the '88 Mustang GT ( 342" Ford, car ran 179.79 on the 5 mile course) we've decided to step it up a bit for 2012:

2011 car:

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/P8141072.jpg)

2012 car:  Hot Rod Lincoln

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Lincoln3.jpg)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Lincoln1.jpg)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Lincoln5.jpg)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Lincoln4-1.jpg)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Lincoln6.jpg)

the roll cage work is being done by our life long friend Ron. He has a bit of experience building roll cages and cars. For 5 years he built the Paris Dakar rally cars for Jean Louis Schlesser.

We'll be running Gas Coupe ..... not sure of the engine size yet. Not sure if we'll do a 302" or a Windsor. The car will more than likely have a Jerico in it.

On the engine.. thought about putting my 409" Windsor Ford in it that I built with Danny Crower for the 2004 Engine Masters competition. It made 650 hp at 6,500 on pump gas with a few changes it will make 700+ at better than 7,000 rpm.  We have a few options with it, but just might build a 302" smblk.  I need to figure that out here in the next month.

This should be a great project for my brother and I to do again with my dad.  I don't think any record will be in jeopardy this year, we just want to run better than 200 and go from there.  


Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: dw230 on February 26, 2012, 11:26:11 PM
Stay with the plastic engine. You can place the weight you save where it will needed the most.

DW
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on February 27, 2012, 02:02:47 PM


I'll keep that in mind.........................  :roll:



Jon   :wink:
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 26, 2012, 07:41:07 PM

76 days and counting.................


Had to regroup and figure out what we wanted to do with the available time and budget.
Long story short, a friend was selling his two off-road racing engines and transmissions so we picked them up and decided to run the car in F-class.  Currently we plan on running in both BGC and GC.  Still lots to workout including getting both engines rebuilt, including some new parts.

We have lots of progress to make in June.......we shall see:
 
A little progress:

Engine mock-up

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/4banger2.jpg)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/4banger.jpg)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Lincoln8.jpg)
G-Force trans..... we will make it a 5 speed:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/G-forcetrans.jpg)

fresh engine parts:
Crower billet 3.59" stroke
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/Crower4banger.jpg)

We are going to work on getting the car done with the NA engine first and hope we have time to complete the turbo engine by mid- July, but have everything ready to go to swap in the car and show-up with the turbo to run BGC first then swap out the engine at the salt to run the N/A class.

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Stan Back on May 26, 2012, 10:19:58 PM
That's an awfully large car . . .
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 26, 2012, 10:25:52 PM
That's an awfully large car  with a cd of .31

Corrected

Originally I was thinking "D" or "C" class  or even "B" when we got the car. With a cd of .31 and a wheelbase of 109" and a curb weight of 3,700 lbs that all added up to a nice stable car at speed.

I figure we were going to add weight, so starting with a well balanced heavy car wasn't going to be an issue we can place the weight where we want it.

The car is large but in 1993 the Ford engineers ran one to 182mph with a 290hp Mod engine with an automatic trans. They figure the engine was making 250hp on the salt.  

I don't think the size is going to be an issue with 750+hp (turbo engine). ...but then again I'm new at this so who knows?

Jon  ;)
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Stan Back on May 26, 2012, 10:47:03 PM
So's a battleship.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 26, 2012, 10:49:51 PM
So's a battleship.
[/quote

So is an aircraft carrier and they'll do better than 45 knots.

See edit to post above.




Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: aircap on May 27, 2012, 12:06:34 AM
I seem to remember a similar Lincoln running on the salt a few years back. It was black, and fast.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: fastman614 on May 27, 2012, 04:31:01 AM
I have one question - weren't these cars built on a T-Bird chassis of the same vintage?.... my recollection is that they were NOT really as big as they look.

I figure that the aero on a car like this is every bit as good as a Camaro or Firebird of the same vintage.... although I think that the 'stang - at about .41 or .42 is a smaller car and may actually cause a few less horsepower being lost due to the frontal area vis-a-vis the Cd effectively cancelling out the larger frontal area of the Lincoln with the lower Cd number.... with an F class engine, though, it may be more academic than real. 

The Lincoln IS a nice looking car!
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: RichFox on May 27, 2012, 10:23:20 AM
I thought they were the same as a Tbird until I said that to a Lincoln owner. He got me to look at the two togeather. The Linc was bigger
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Tman on May 27, 2012, 10:31:25 AM
Neat car, here is a wiki of them. Similar platform to the Tbirds

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Mark_VIII

Read the part where the roof can withstand 5000 pounds!
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: SaltRat on May 27, 2012, 10:35:28 AM
~92ish to 98: MKVIII, T-Bird and Cougar used the same platform. 

I believe the aero is pretty good, my MKVIII could get fantastic hiway mileage!
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 27, 2012, 12:09:18 PM
I seem to remember a similar Lincoln running on the salt a few years back. It was black, and fast.

I do know there was a black MKVii that had a 460 in it a few years back.

Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 27, 2012, 12:23:54 PM
.

I figure that the aero on a car like this is every bit as good as a Camaro or Firebird of the same vintage.... although I think that the 'stang - at about .41 or .42 is a smaller car and may actually cause a few less horsepower being lost due to the frontal area vis-a-vis the Cd effectively cancelling out the larger frontal area of the Lincoln with the lower Cd number.... with an F class engine, though, it may be more academic than real.  

The Lincoln IS a nice looking car!

explain ????  please.

88-90 Mustangs have a cd of .38  the MKViii at .31 should take less hp to run over 150 mph. Depending on what intake system we use( Carbs, MFI, EFI) the 2.9ltr should be in the range of 375-400hp at 9,000, the turbo engine 750hp at 8,000- 8,500 and that's not running it on "kill".

The N/A engine will will have a 5 speed gear box with 5th being 1:1, the BGC engine will run a 5 speed trans with a slight over-drive ( current line of thinking anyway)

In any instance this year should be an interesting learning experience with the car.  

we have lots to get done in the next 70 or so days.......................

A little history I found interesting:

http://www.markviii.org/LOD2/bonneville.htm

Jon

Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: fastman614 on May 27, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
h/r lincoln-

I said.....with an F class engine, though, it may be more academic than real. 

With an F Class engine, your speeds are not going to be in the higher 200 mph range - like 250 mph or so - the production record is, what, under 200 mph... as are the unblown "stock body" coupe classes - being, I think, mid 160s to high 180s mph-wise..... blown though is another story, so to speak - the records are from just over 200mph to well over 250 mph.

The aerodynamics are something that get factored in with exponential ratios as the speeds increase... and please don't ask me to expound on that as it is not my field of expertise.

I did not have accurate Cd numbers on the late 80s Mustangs - only the 79 to (probably) 87 'stangs... and the anecdotal info was from a site to which I had been directed that stated the same .4+ Cd for 'stangs up to and including '93... The reason I was looking into this was to compare frontal areas and Cd numbers of several comparable smaller North American car bodies with the numbers for our Vega...

Okay - the higher Cd number on the 'stang in combination with a smaller front area, when compared to the Lincoln with a lower Cd and a larger frontal area, will at some point do one of several things - effectively give the Lincoln an overall edge, give the Mustang an overall edge or be a "wash"...  the Lincoln body is not so much bigger than the older 'stang that, with its lower Cd, I think that you will have an overall "slipperier" car with the Lincoln....
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 27, 2012, 02:31:34 PM


Quote
The aerodynamics are something that get factored in with exponential ratios as the speeds increase

Certainly so, but I'm thinking cd has an effect on anything over 100mph. All else being equal I'm thinking the Lincoln will have an advantage over a Fox body stang with any engine running over 150 mph.

I wish I still had the magazine from years back ( 25yrs ago +/-) Motor Trend did an article on a factory GM test-bed Corvette nick named "Thumper". If I recall correctly the car ran 190 mph with something like 580 hp ( ? I forget the actual number) For the Vet to run 200 mph they would either have to increase the hp by 87 or reduce the drag from .34 to .28 ( the numbers are somewhere in that range, I read it 25 years ago, so I'm going off memory)   that's a .06 difference. Best info I have available the Lincoln has a .07 advantage over the the Fox body Mustang and with it's longer wheelbase it should handle a hell of a lot better. I'm thinking that .07 advantage will be of benefit over 150 mph.  We sure better be able to run over 150 with the NA engine......


Jon


Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: RichFox on May 27, 2012, 02:37:29 PM
The answer is just outside of Wendover
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 27, 2012, 02:51:15 PM
The answer is just outside of Wendover

Lol....

yes it is.

Jon  :-D
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: fastman614 on May 27, 2012, 03:06:51 PM


Quote
The aerodynamics are something that get factored in with exponential ratios as the speeds increase

Certainly so, but I'm thinking cd has an effect on anything over 100mph. All else being equal I'm thinking the Lincoln will have an advantage over a Fox body stang with any engine running over 150 mph.

I wish I still had the magazine from years back ( 25yrs ago +/-) Motor Trend did an article on a factory GM test-bed Corvette nick named "Thumper". If I recall correctly the car ran 190 mph with something like 580 hp ( ? I forget the actual number) For the Vet to run 200 mph they would either have to increase the hp by 87 or reduce the drag from .34 to .28 ( the numbers are somewhere in that range, I read it 25 years ago, so I'm going off memory)   that's a .06 difference. Best info I have available the Lincoln has a .07 advantage over the the Fox body Mustang and with it's longer wheelbase it should handle a hell of a lot better. I'm thinking that .07 advantage will be of benefit over 150 mph.  We sure better be able to run over 150 with the NA engine......


Jon

Jon,
All in all, I think you have it pretty much figured out .... that link that you provided to the markviii dot org sort of says it all.... less than 300 hp on a Ford dyno .... and they achieved over 180 mph.... Also, the fuel economy stats on the car itself (in stock form) are telling....

Suffice it to say, I was not in any way inferring that the car does not have good overall aerodynamics... I am pretty sure that it DOES!.....
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 27, 2012, 03:49:23 PM

We just have to see how she runs......  it does look promising on paper.......

To be honest I was a little bummed when I saw the F/GC record got bumped from 114mph to 162 in the 2011 event. That bar got set a bit higher than I'd like....but it gives us something to shoot for. The record is now held by a 240sx Nissan with 1/2 a 351C powering it.

Here's a shot of a Lincoln I saw on the freeway the other day at 80mph:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Lincolnroad.jpg)

we always have next year to run a BB Ford......:    8-)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Lincoln4.jpg)

but one thing at a time....one thing at a time.....

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Tman on May 27, 2012, 05:22:22 PM
That is always a good read about Lincoln. Too bad the brass never really GET IT!?!?!
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 27, 2012, 05:28:05 PM
After running on the salt last year with my dad and brother in the '88 Mustang GT ( 342" Ford, car ran 179.79 on the 5 mile course) we've decided to step it up a bit for 2012:

2011 car:

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/P8141072.jpg)

Jon

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/MustangBoniville.jpg)



On a different note, we pulled the 342" out of the Stang for a check-over ( it boiled over three times last year), ran it on the dyno to see what she was making as it came out of the car. Then made a Carb change and header swap. Did a hot leak down test and was showing 5 cylinders leaking 3%, 2 were leaking 4% and 1 at 5%. Needed to pull the heads to replace a head gasket because of a water leak, so had the heads cleaned, springs checked etc.   We dropped the pan and it was in need of some bearings. Engine will be back on the dyno next week and I plan on just playing with a couple of intake spacers and then it will get dropped back in the Stang.

Dyno results ( cut and paste) oil psi was never below 62 psi:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/342kooks.jpg)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/342dyno001.jpg)

The Stang ran 179.79 at 6,300 with a 29" tire and 3.08 gearing. Art Car C-4 trans. Hoping to get it to pull 6,600- 6,800 this year.

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: fastman614 on May 27, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
Gonna make a suggestion.... go to a manual transmission with a really close 3rd to 4th gear.... (or a 4th to 5th gear) where top gear is direct drive....

I do not know what you C4 trans has for a 2nd gear ratio but I would guess it is between 1.4 and 1.5 to 1....

There is a BW Super T10 available that has a 1.19 to 1 3rd gear and, if I am not mistaken, a 2nd gear at around 1.6 to 1.... Richmond Gear does not show the 1.19 to 1 3rd gear as a choice on their website  in the T10 (although it IS shown in the 5 speed - as are some pretty interestingly close 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear ratios)

That way, you'll keep your RPMs up a lot closer to peak horsepower.... You will be wanting to rev the engine out to about 7400 RPMs for your shift from 3rd to 4th (if achieving that RPM is possible) and I will extrapolate to be "only" past your peak hp by about 3%...

You will, on a clean and quick shift, be at about 6200 RPM in top gear, which is "only" about 7% below your peak hp - on your way back up, so to speak.

With my use of a hypothetical 1.45 to 1 second gear ratio in your C4 trans, I calculate that, from a 7400 RPM shift point, you will be dropping to about 5100 RPMs, which is about 23% below your peak hp.... and A LONG WAY TO GO on your way back up.

Your shift points in the lower gears are not as critical but higher RPMs may be more advantageous.... It is something to think on...
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: fastman614 on May 27, 2012, 06:31:14 PM
One more thing.... the 'stang has aero numbers similar to our Vega.... and 500hp was enough to make the Vega go an easy 205 mph.... with a 29" tall set of rear tires and a 2.75 -1 rear end ratio (and I am talking 25 years ago) - to actually set the record, we went to 3.00 to 1 rear end gears the next year....
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Nice 205 in a vega.........   8-)
what was it reving ?

we (me and Danny Crower) figure the Stang would be at least 10 mph faster with a 4 speed. But the way that thing handled at 180 mph it doesn't need to go much faster. We are working on the handling this year.

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: fastman614 on May 27, 2012, 08:34:50 PM
Nice 205 in a vega.........   8-)
what was it reving ?

we (me and Danny Crower) figure the Stang would be at least 10 mph faster with a 4 speed. But the way that thing handled at 180 mph it doesn't need to go much faster. We are working on the handling this year.

Jon

If I recall, we were shooting for 7700 rpm (ideally, 8000 for a real fast - for back then, anyway - record).... I know that tire slippage was a problem for us and on the return run for the C/Fuel record, I had the engine up to about 8400 rpm at speed.... it should have been going about 235mph - and I was about 20mph slower than that....

We set the record in C/GAlt in 1988 @ 215.015mph ... and in C/FAlt in 1991 @ 216.695mph... That was before the implementation of the Classic Category... We have gone on to repower the Vega with a 432 C.I.D big block (pro stock style of the late 1990s with like 12 degree heads and all).... we set the B/CGAlt record in 2003 at 237.938 mph, reset it in 2006 at 245.324mph and set the B/CFAlt record in 2008 at 254.153 mph

I hope the attachment works.... This is the Vega
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: saltracer1 on May 28, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/saltracer1/ScrapIron%20II/11201112521.jpg)

Love the orange Mustang. This is ours in the building stages with supercharged Ford flathead. Might I ask what you guys are going to do to improve the handling on your Mustang? thanks Phil
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 28, 2012, 07:01:36 PM


If I recall, we were shooting for 7700 rpm (ideally, 8000 for a real fast - for back then, anyway - record).... I know that tire slippage was a problem for us and on the return run for the C/Fuel record, I had the engine up to about 8400 rpm at speed.... it should have been going about 235mph - and I was about 20mph slower than that....

We set the record in C/GAlt in 1988 @ 215.015mph ... and in C/FAlt in 1991 @ 216.695mph... That was before the implementation of the Classic Category... We have gone on to repower the Vega with a 432 C.I.D big block (pro stock style of the late 1990s with like 12 degree heads and all).... we set the B/CGAlt record in 2003 at 237.938 mph, reset it in 2006 at 245.324mph and set the B/CFAlt record in 2008 at 254.153 mph

I hope the attachment works.... This is the Vega
[/quote]

Great info on the Vega...thanks. What did it weigh?

My brother and I would both like to build something to run over 250,,,,,, maybe next year.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 28, 2012, 07:09:41 PM
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/saltracer1/ScrapIron%20II/11201112521.jpg)

Love the orange Mustang. This is ours in the building stages with supercharged Ford flathead. Might I ask what you guys are going to do to improve the handling on your Mustang? thanks Phil

What class are you running?

Last year my dad purchased the car from a guy who used it for both drag racing and El Mirage. After tech on the salt last year my brother ended up talking to  the "kid" who dove it at El Mirage. He told my brother " Hey that car still had the 90/10 drag shocks on it when I drove it. If you haven't changed them up might want to"  He ended making some limiter straps for the front-end.  This years will have new shocks...........

We need to work within the rules to try to keep the air from under the car...either a chin spoiler or something of the sort and maybe some type of belly pan.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: saltracer1 on May 28, 2012, 09:33:11 PM
we're running XF/BGALT, XF/BFALT and maybe XF/BGC. It's starting to look like a two year project though, with all the changes to the car (it was a drag car) and building a new motor it's taking longer than I'd like.
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/saltracer1/ScrapIron%20II/Marysphone05262012528.jpg) This is just part of the new roll cage. I had to completely remove the old cage and replace the plates on the floor with 1/4 plates and then reinstall it with a bunch more tubes.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Captthundarr on May 28, 2012, 09:56:26 PM
Feel you pain  :-o
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 28, 2012, 10:09:41 PM
Salt

Nice Build...you know what they say about those Hot Rod Lincolns...Son, they'll drive you to drinkin'.

Nice cage but may I suggest you spend some time thinking about the cage around your feet and the floor. I had a drive shaft break and get in the car with me last year. I had a long discussion with Jeff, his build is:  1973 camaro AA/CGC you can search it or by his member name Bals aSalt. It is a 1973 Camaro but a real strong cage.  Since Speedweek 2011 my chassis guy cut the stock floor out and is replacing it with a 1 3/4 tube floor cage and 1/8 plate floor. It makes it a lot safer and adds weight down low where I want it. That factory floor cut like butter and the drive shaft came through the floor just behind the seat and cut my seat belt almost in two. Cost us two days of repairs and fedex shipments but we made a few runs in Friday.  

I love the F motor, I have thought about an F motor for my car.

I look forard to your updates.

Bill
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: fastman614 on May 29, 2012, 01:45:22 AM


If I recall, we were shooting for 7700 rpm (ideally, 8000 for a real fast - for back then, anyway - record).... I know that tire slippage was a problem for us and on the return run for the C/Fuel record, I had the engine up to about 8400 rpm at speed.... it should have been going about 235mph - and I was about 20mph slower than that....

We set the record in C/GAlt in 1988 @ 215.015mph ... and in C/FAlt in 1991 @ 216.695mph... That was before the implementation of the Classic Category... We have gone on to repower the Vega with a 432 C.I.D big block (pro stock style of the late 1990s with like 12 degree heads and all).... we set the B/CGAlt record in 2003 at 237.938 mph, reset it in 2006 at 245.324mph and set the B/CFAlt record in 2008 at 254.153 mph

I hope the attachment works.... This is the Vega

Great info on the Vega...thanks. What did it weigh?

My brother and I would both like to build something to run over 250,,,,,, maybe next year.
[/quote]

Jon,
The Vega, with a small block, back in the old days, weighed 2700 lbs - probably close to 2950 with driver in....

NOW, the car weighs over 5000 lbs BEFORE  the driver gets in..... you want some help for getting your rides to go faster? .... Maybe we can help....

BTW, the transmission info is a big place to start re-sorting your ideas.....
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 29, 2012, 12:17:31 PM
^^^

I might just take you up on that offer.  Thanks.


Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on June 19, 2012, 02:02:19 PM
Oh Crap...... 52 days to go .
The days keep falling off the calender ... a little progress being made:

stock rear end:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/rearendstock.jpg)

some measuring:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Jonspictures1302.jpg)

New set-up:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/quickchange2.jpg)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/quickchange3.jpg)

Back from sheet metal:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Mkviiidash.jpg)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/mrkviiidash2.jpg)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/MKViiifuelcell.jpg)

The air bags are being replaced with a spring conversion kit and looking into replacing as much rubber with solid bushings as we can.

slow but steady process. I'll get nervous when we get down to 10 days.

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: t russell on July 23, 2012, 06:45:46 PM
great build thanks for the info
terry
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on July 23, 2012, 07:36:49 PM


Hey CAN SOMEBODY RESET THE CALENDAR AND ADD 20 DAYS BACK ON IT?

Holy crap this month is flying.......



Jon 
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: horsewidower on July 23, 2012, 09:35:16 PM
Very interested in your build.  We use the 2.3 T for our roadracing car. I hope to see you on the salt.

Bob Holmes
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on July 23, 2012, 10:29:40 PM
Very interested in your build.  We use the 2.3 T for our roadracing car. I hope to see you on the salt.

Bob Holmes

How I haven't posted here for a bit.
Well I'm a little disappointed in our project right now. We got way behind schedule and about 6 weeks ago we had to figure out what the hell we were doing ( lots of family stuff going on this Summer) . Ultimately we decided we should concentrate on the NA engine and get the car sorted out and then step-up to BGC next year and have the opportunity to shake the turbo car down at El Mirage next year before Bonneville.  So we will be going a bit slower than we wanted, but we are taking one step at a time.  Just seemed to be the "smart" thing to do.

the rear-end was refreshed by Fortin two weeks ago and several quick change sets have been ordered. Between the MKViii and the Mustang we'll have 4 different sizes of rear tires to play with.

So we'll have the MKVIII with a 375+hp 9,000 rpm Esslinger and we'll have the '88 Mustang again. The Mustang engine had a refresh and made 550hp at 7,000 ( it came out of the car making 495 at 7,000)

The Esslinger will be on the dyno early next week......

I'll post up a few progress pictures later on the project:

Crower billet crank for the Esslinger:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/Crower4crank.jpg)

modified header:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/header.jpg)

I thought I had a few more pics...can't find them.

Jon

Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: horsewidower on July 27, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
Thanks for the update, and the pictures.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 16, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
So's a battleship.

News Report from the Salt:

"Battleship" has a leg on the record at 165.2

car is currently sitting in impound waiting to run tomorrow morning.

if we back it up we will do a gear change and send my dad out to try to top the record.

Hot Lincoln

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: horsewidower on August 16, 2012, 11:58:52 PM
Fantastic.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 17, 2012, 12:01:18 AM
Running against a 162.274 record!  Good luck to you guys in the morning!

Mike
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 17, 2012, 12:14:49 AM

thanks..off to get some sleep.

the 165.2 pass was the cars 4th full throttle pass. this car has some serious potential.

I think I have the gear and tire combination worked out for my dad to use to bump the record.

hopefully I'll have good news in the morning.


Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 17, 2012, 12:15:38 PM

the record is ours ...... we ran a 164.2 this morning....  we got it by approx 2.5 mph

we had them seal the engine and we are doing a gear change and tire change and sending dad out in the car. it should have a 5 mph advantage if the air is good.

See ya later

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: horsewidower on August 18, 2012, 01:42:59 AM
Congratulations.

If you have any pictures, I'd sure like to see them.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: DND on August 18, 2012, 05:33:50 PM
Hi Hot Rod

Did your Dad go faster with the last runs?

Don
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 19, 2012, 01:43:40 AM
neither dad or I were able to bump the record the air got bad and a 10 mph cross headwind picked up 10 mph at mile 2 and 3 and zero wind at mile 4.  We did a gear and tire change it picked up rpm and should run faster. My run had a 12 mph recorded cross headwind.

The official number is 164.845
this car has a ton left in her....it's never even been to an alignment shop. I have at least 6 things to do to make it faster. I'm think better than 10 mph faster next year.......  we shall see.

Leaving impound at sunrise:

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/sunriseimpound.jpg)

Staging lanes:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/lincolnstartingline.jpg)

Our Lincoln at the starting line next to Speed Demon. We were at mile 4 when it went by at 432!!!!!
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Lincoln164run.jpg)

Esslinger 3.94 x 3.59   power to 9,000  built by Bruce Nogrady
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Esslinger29ltr.jpg)
the engine is canted at 30* ..it really threw some people off.

Dad and me after his 160.1 mph run into the headwind:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/dadandjon.jpg)
only his second time in the car...he pulled away from the push truck and did a 8,500 rpm 1-2 shift and then banged the other shifts at 9,000. We all love that G-Force trans.... what a blast to shift that thing.

What a heck of a week.... we were the last car out of tech and one of the last tow rigs on the salt Saturday afternoon.

Met some really nice people again this year......

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: horsewidower on August 19, 2012, 12:48:07 PM
Thanks again.  The pictures are really nice.

I assume you are using a midget pan in order to get that cant for the engine. It gives me some ideas for my roadracing car.

Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 19, 2012, 01:16:18 PM
What are you guys running for a water pump?

Mike
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 19, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
esslinger mechanical... with the large 4 core radiator ( built for the turbo engine ) the water temp was never over 150 degrees. most runs it was 140, the oil temp never exceeded 180*.  We put an oil heater blanket on the dry sump tank and got some heat in the oil before most runs.

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 19, 2012, 08:51:08 PM
Thanks, Jon.  That's what I wanted to hear.  I happen to have a new Esslinger pump sitting on my dining room table.   8-)

Mike
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 19, 2012, 09:50:08 PM


Quote
The aerodynamics are something that get factored in with exponential ratios as the speeds increase

Certainly so, but I'm thinking cd has an effect on anything over 100mph. All else being equal I'm thinking the Lincoln will have an advantage over a Fox body stang with any engine running over 150 mph.

I wish I still had the magazine from years back ( 25yrs ago +/-) Motor Trend did an article on a factory GM test-bed Corvette nick named "Thumper". If I recall correctly the car ran 190 mph with something like 580 hp ( ? I forget the actual number) For the Vet to run 200 mph they would either have to increase the hp by 87 or reduce the drag from .34 to .28 ( the numbers are somewhere in that range, I read it 25 years ago, so I'm going off memory)   that's a .06 difference. Best info I have available the Lincoln has a .07 advantage over the the Fox body Mustang and with it's longer wheelbase it should handle a hell of a lot better. I'm thinking that .07 advantage will be of benefit over 150 mph.  We sure better be able to run over 150 with the NA engine......


Jon

Jon,
All in all, I think you have it pretty much figured out .... that link that you provided to the markviii dot org sort of says it all.... less than 300 hp on a Ford dyno .... and they achieved over 180 mph.... Also, the fuel economy stats on the car itself (in stock form) are telling....

Suffice it to say, I was not in any way inferring that the car does not have good overall aerodynamics... I am pretty sure that it DOES!.....

Dave,

Thanks again for the information on the gears for the transmission .....I'll post a video of my brother running it when I get a chance.

Thanks again....I'll be talking to you about next years turbo project if you don't mind.

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 21, 2012, 09:20:34 PM
What are you guys running for a water pump?

Mike

HI Mike,

I saw the info on the turbo 4 web site. This engine was built with a Ford motorsport tall deck block. You can see on the mock-up engine that we spaced the head from the deck about 5/8".

I'm sorry to read that you had parts delivery issues.....that just sucks. We got our car running at the very last minute and left home 24 hrs later than we wanted so we could get as much done as possible before we hit the salt. As it was we ended up working on the car in the pits all day Saturday and Sunday. We finally got the car to tech late Sunday afternoon and ended up getting a 5 point punch list from them. We completed the punch list on Monday morning and Dad drove the car for the first time Monday mid-day.  His shake-down run was 130 mph on course 4 ... it was the first time the car had moved over 10" under it's own power. I had my fingers crossed as he pulled away from the push truck.  

I need to write out a diary of our days on the salt. It was interesting. The car would have run 160 on it's second pass if we let Nogrady build the intake manifold the way he wanted to begin with.

Good luck with your build....I look forward to getting the turbo engine in our car.  The F/BGC record got bumped a few mph this year, I think 208 +/-.


I know you've seen the video of the back-up run:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrWKHWItxuA

the first two markers on the left are the turn-out markers, 1/4 markers thereafter. The orange markers are the mile markers. We ran the car to 3.25 miles so I could get a GPS reading and see if the car was still gaining speed. It GPS'd at 169 mph 3 times.  As I stated she has a ton left in her....I can't wait until next year.

Maybe I'll work on the daily log tonight......

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: JimL on August 22, 2012, 12:09:09 AM
Next time you see Bruce tell him Jim & Jeanne say "hi" and we've lost his number.  He's one of the good ones!  You can pm me his number if you don't mind.  Jeanne was the recep desk at TRD when Bruce was there.

Thanks, JimL
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Freud on August 22, 2012, 12:10:40 AM
It looks faster this way.

FREUD
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 22, 2012, 10:51:17 AM
Next time you see Bruce tell him Jim & Jeanne say "hi" and we've lost his number.  He's one of the good ones!  You can pm me his number if you don't mind.  Jeanne was the recep desk at TRD when Bruce was there.

Thanks, JimL

I talked to him twice yesterday. I called him after he watched the Youtube video ..... he was all kinds of excited after listening to one of his engines run WOT for 75 seconds. He wants to come to the salt next year.

He is excited about working on our Turbo engine for next year.

to get his number just goolge: Bruce Nogrady Racing, Murrieta California.  you should find it.

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 22, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
It looks faster this way.

FREUD

I asked them if they wanted to race to the 1/4 mile marker...... lol

What a great crew working on that car.  They wanted us to know they weren't " jumping us" in line when they pushed the car passed us on our right.  We said... " well if we are going to get jumped by anyone........."


Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 08:16:58 PM
Jon, it was great meeting you on the salt!!!  congrats on your speeds!  (we were the guys in the orange Charger)

See you next year,
-Scott
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 22, 2012, 10:40:51 PM
Jon, it was great meeting you on the salt!!!  congrats on your speeds!  (we were the guys in the orange Charger)

See you next year,
-Scott

that Charger? ......  that is one bad-ass car. I wish that I had taken a few pictures of it. I didn't ever think I'd see a car that the craftsmanship would equal that of Blowfish. I was impressed.

Hope to see you next year.

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on March 01, 2013, 02:18:31 AM
Time to start working on the Project for this year. We've met with the engine builder about the turbo engine, getting together once again next week. Trying to do our best to avoid the last minute chaos of last year.

Oh this little something showed up before Christmas:

 (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/trophy.jpg)

Hoping to get one that reads better than 210 this year .......  

Lots of things to do ......
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: tauruck on March 01, 2013, 03:23:19 AM
Hey Joel, How cool is that. Well done. :cheers:
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Duck-Stew on March 01, 2013, 09:44:20 AM
Cool build and congrats on the class record!

Hope to see the Hot-Rod Lincoln on the salt in August...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on March 01, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
Cool build and congrats on the class record!

Hope to see the Hot-Rod Lincoln on the salt in August...  :cheers:

We should be there. This year will be working on the  F/BGC combo.  We plan on taking the N/A engine to do an engine swap just incase something doesn't work out with the turbo deal or we get bored and decided to bump the other record.

My brother and I are playing with the thought of putting a 5 speed G-Force tranny in the Mustang just for the hell of it.  It will make it a lot more fun to drive and a bit faster too. ( that should be fun.... it got loose on me last year at 192 ( GPS speed) and ended up running 188 in the lights. We both want to see a 190+ time slip for the stock block 302  8-)
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 25, 2013, 11:33:50 PM
which direction are you supposed to mount these things ?

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/turboplacement_zps59239fa0.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Engine%20stuff/turboplacement_zps59239fa0.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/turbointake_zps20849f6b.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Engine%20stuff/turbointake_zps20849f6b.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/turboMkviii_zps08ceb6f4.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Engine%20stuff/turboMkviii_zps08ceb6f4.jpg.html)

38 lbs of Garrett 4294 the things a beast, it's 1/3 the size of the block

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/mkiiiintake_zps81b2b83e.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Engine%20stuff/mkiiiintake_zps81b2b83e.jpg.html)

Well this is going to get interesting ............. lots of new fab work to get done.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Crackerman on May 25, 2013, 11:53:15 PM
Thats a gta 4294, depending on the boost you want to run, be mindful of shaft play. They loosen up way faster than the full shaft seperate nut gt4294. The cheapest alternative is to put a new chra in berore the housings are destroyed. It will still run and drive and make boost as is, just not last as long. The folks at majestic turbo helped my brother out on his, and it was just starting to touch the housings after 6 months run time with good oil.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 26, 2013, 12:20:06 AM

thanks,

I'll check into that.


Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on July 25, 2013, 04:10:41 PM
mock up is about done.... time to bolt this stuff onto the turbo engine next week and see what it does:

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/intercooler_zpsf837863a.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/intercooler_zpsf837863a.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/mockup1_zpsaf659346.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/mockup1_zpsaf659346.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Mockup2_zpsebdf80dd.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Mockup2_zpsebdf80dd.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/turboexhaust_zps2468f81b.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/turboexhaust_zps2468f81b.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Podunk on July 25, 2013, 06:52:08 PM
Sent PM. Still interested in those 15x4 aluminum spacer saver wheels.

Terry
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 27, 2014, 12:58:53 PM
Back to working on the project... the new bullet came off the dyno doing pretty well a few months back:

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/Esslinger8402_zpsaa25d801.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Engine%20stuff/Esslinger8402_zpsaa25d801.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/Esslingerexhaust_zps1c86fed7.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Engine%20stuff/Esslingerexhaust_zps1c86fed7.jpg.html)


Now we have to get it all to fit in the car.
(7355)
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 27, 2014, 01:05:56 PM
OK HRL,
You have shown us the dyno pics now we want the numbers! How much HP, boost and rpm????

Were did you dyno the motor?

Rex
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 27, 2014, 09:53:54 PM
mid 800's, 20lbs boost, running fat with lots of timing pulled out.  didn't even lean on it.

for an example... second pull was 821hp at 8,000 with 18 psi. really fat and very little timing

after engine gets  in car it will go to Westech chassis dyno for fine tuning. it can make 1,000 at 8,500 rather effortlessly .....just a matter of turning a knob and a few key strokes

dyno is at engine builders ... Bruce Nogrady.
7439
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: tauruck on May 28, 2014, 02:11:31 AM
HRL, you don't post often but when you do its interesting.

Thanks man. :cheers:
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 28, 2014, 02:28:17 AM
might have a few more things to post in the next 70 days or so:

Picture from 2012

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/2a703b9a-0e18-437f-bc76-5a4be0cc5e2f_zps1703a634.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/2a703b9a-0e18-437f-bc76-5a4be0cc5e2f_zps1703a634.jpg.html)
220  here we come   :-D
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Freud on May 28, 2014, 11:29:17 AM
I was with Vesco when Ford brought their bullet to B'ville. I think it

was a USFRA meet.

Four runs. Two on street tires at normal ride height.

Two with B'ville tires and lowered.

In the 160s with streeters and 180s on race rubber.

Loaded it back in the trailer and headed East.

Holly Hedrick drove it.

FREUD
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 28, 2014, 02:30:40 PM
800+!!! That is impressive. Don't you just love those "hair dryers"!!! I you can't go fast with that you had better stay home! Now can it do that for 5 miles?

Looking at the pic of your car that salt "bonded" to the front bumper area may have a story to it. You may want to consider some sort of air damn.

Rex
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 28, 2014, 09:32:02 PM
800+!!! That is impressive. Don't you just love those "hair dryers"!!! I you can't go fast with that you had better stay home! Now can it do that for 5 miles?

Looking at the pic of your car that salt "bonded" to the front bumper area may have a story to it. You may want to consider some sort of air Dodge.


Rex

that picture was taking in the staging lanes after we towed the car 4 miles or so. A couple pages back there's a picture with my father and me standing next to the car after a run. The salt doesn't build up there.

As far as an air Dodge, we will have a few things to try this year.  I do want to push the NA record higher as I think I can get another 10 mph out of it.

edit: I can't believe the setting on this web site are so tight that you can't type "air da m" without it changing the word to air dodge .......
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 28, 2014, 10:33:55 PM
I was with Vesco when Ford brought their bullet to B'ville. I think it

was a USFRA meet.

Four runs. Two on street tires at normal ride height.

Two with B'ville tires and lowered.

In the 160s with streeters and 180s on race rubber.

Loaded it back in the trailer and headed East.

Holly Hedrick drove it.

FREUD

I've read the write-up on that car. We learned a few things from it
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: tauruck on May 29, 2014, 12:25:41 AM
You guys had me thinking an air Dodge was a new brand of spoiler that dodged drag. :cheers:
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Peter Jack on May 29, 2014, 01:19:53 AM
Obviously the filter doesn't know the difference between d-a-m-n and d-a-m.  :-D :-D :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: tauruck on May 29, 2014, 03:06:32 AM
Designed for bad spellers!. :-D
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 29, 2014, 08:08:46 AM
Let me test the curse-word filter this way:

Damage

Damsel

Damnation

Hoover Dam

If it changes them around we'll know that the machine looks for some of the letters in the correct sequence - not necessarily all of them.  I've been wondering, what with the recent flurry of Dodges, what was going on.  Maye I can tweak the system.

First edit: 

Those came through okay, didn't they?  Now I'll try air dam and airdam and air Dodge and airdamn.

Second edit:  Well, there you have it.  To trigger the filter the word in question must be freestanding.  Or so it would seem.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: tauruck on May 29, 2014, 10:35:36 AM
Spoken in the best English there my good man. Dam busters!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Buickguy3 on May 29, 2014, 11:26:18 AM
  Dam air!
 :evil: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 29, 2014, 03:01:43 PM
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[/i][/i] :cheers:

BR
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Richard 2 on May 29, 2014, 08:03:47 PM
Hope you have your flywheel bolted on good with your new engine.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on May 30, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
Hope you have your flywheel bolted on good with your new engine.

well that sound like it could ruin your day. would hate to have a flywheel come loose at 8,200 rpm
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on July 23, 2014, 09:09:52 PM
 getting a bit closer..... but could use another couple of weeks    :roll:


Dad working on the clutch set-up:  He's surprised it worked in 2012, Tilton 3 disk, it was all screwed up in the adjustments but not now.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/MKviiiclutch_zpsc7927f42.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/MKviiiclutch_zpsc7927f42.jpg.html)

Fixed a dent in the panel that has bugged us for two years. I thought dad's friend was going to just pop it out. He popped it out then painted the entire panel .... he matched the paint near perfect:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/MKviiipaint_zps3079973a.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/MKviiipaint_zps3079973a.jpg.html)

Had left-over paint so they decided to paint the roll cage:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Mkviiicage_zpsa82b8601.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Mkviiicage_zpsa82b8601.jpg.html)

Tented Lexan windows get put in this weekend

the 188 mph ( 342" stock block) Mustang on the scales getting the weight added and moved around. We added 700 lbs now at 3,600 lbs with 53/47 split front to rear: hope to get it to run 190 this year
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Mustangscales_zpscb51782c.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Mustangscales_zpscb51782c.jpg.html)

The MkViii will hit the scales next.

for your viewing enjoyment:  click to play   ( 8,000 rpm, 20 psi boost, 559 lbs ft, on a soft tune-up )

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/th_Pintoengine2_zpsdbd159a1.mp4) (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/Pintoengine2_zpsdbd159a1.mp4)


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Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 24, 2014, 12:26:09 AM
 :cheers:  :cheers:

Very nice, I'm impressed.

How about posting the above over on turboford?

Mike
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: tauruck on July 24, 2014, 12:52:21 AM
Awesome HRL.
Not that surprising, it is a Ford after all. :evil:
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: horsewidower on July 24, 2014, 12:58:56 AM
Fantastic.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on July 24, 2014, 10:39:03 AM
:cheers:  :cheers:

Very nice, I'm impressed.

How about posting the above over on turboford?

Mike

thanks ....

You can post a link over there if you'd like. I'm not joining another forum for now.

You should be able to get the photobucket link from the clip if you just want to post that.

More progress to come in the next week....

Jon
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: lsrjunkie on July 24, 2014, 12:56:44 PM
Absolutely awesome Jon! Over 200hp per cylinder!?!?! Amazing!

 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on July 26, 2014, 11:45:26 PM
Scales today:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Mkviiiscale2_zps9f794fbe.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Mkviiiscale2_zps9f794fbe.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/616db125-6748-4edd-81b4-e504a35e74e1_zps0b017e00.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/616db125-6748-4edd-81b4-e504a35e74e1_zps0b017e00.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/28cf1aa2-0cea-4981-a974-79ad5bf56661_zps28e44ea6.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/28cf1aa2-0cea-4981-a974-79ad5bf56661_zps28e44ea6.jpg.html)

We figure the weight of the car is about 250 lbs light with not having everything bolted on. So approx 3,700.

we are going to put 400 lbs in it to start keeping the drivers side 200 lbs lighter and having the weight approx 53/47 front/rear

its 52% front heavy as it sits now.  the race wheels and tires are off getting mounted and balanced
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on July 27, 2014, 09:03:46 PM
new hood scoop.  The mail box went bye bye:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Mkviiiscoop_zpsf1b4a7b9.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Mkviiiscoop_zpsf1b4a7b9.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Mkviiiscoopback_zps7fc83ee1.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Mkviiiscoopback_zps7fc83ee1.jpg.html)

going to have to do some work to get the air filter to mount up under the cowl, but should be able to pull it off.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/mkviiiinstall_zps65fec538.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/mkviiiinstall_zps65fec538.jpg.html)
going to run a 4" intake pipe along the intake plenum and have something like a blow-thru carb bonnet mounted to the turbo intake flange. the air filter will ride along the plenum up in the cowl hood.


Gear choice made: have a few set's up and down from this: this should get us in the "ball park".  a couple of shake down runs around 7,000 then we'll lean on it
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Mkviiigears_zpsf1170ea6.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Mkviiigears_zpsf1170ea6.jpg.html)


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Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on July 29, 2014, 11:54:38 PM
well it's always something ....... what the hell happened to the wire loom ( relay pack) for the Motec ? Can't find it so one now has to be built    :x     :x    waiting for the schematic  


Air intake didn't work out as planned.  5" 90* hose won't fit.  If the turbo was 1" to the left and the intake manifold 2" to the right all would be well.  but it's not ... at least not this year.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/airintakehose_zpseb36f121.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/airintakehose_zpseb36f121.jpg.html)

Our fab guy is going to build an air box a bit like this: 8x11. 5" on the turbo side and 4.5" going to the air filter up in the cowl
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Airbox_zps227bb547.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Airbox_zps227bb547.jpg.html)

we'll adjust as we go.

it's always something....

Was looking at the mock-up this morning and figured out that the turbo system was missing something ..... the pipe running from the intercooler to the throttle body should have a BOV in it.   something else to do.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/mkviiiinstall_zps65fec538.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/mkviiiinstall_zps65fec538.jpg.html)


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Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on July 31, 2014, 02:45:53 AM
260 of the 400 we are adding:  a little bit of lead goes a long way

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/260lbs_zps41d1976a.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/260lbs_zps41d1976a.jpg.html)

it's like Santa showed up today:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/specialdelivery_zpsd547ef99.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/specialdelivery_zpsd547ef99.jpg.html)

high octane good stuff  A-8D  118 octane. Hopefully we'll be burning some on Monday or Tuesday night on the chassis dyno
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/FuelA-8D_zps3bbff767.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/FuelA-8D_zps3bbff767.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 01, 2014, 08:49:42 PM

Today was one of those days were you actually got things accomplished but you feel like you just tread water:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Esslingerhoses_zps93f9317f.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Esslingerhoses_zps93f9317f.jpg.html)

Dry sump and radiator plumbed today.  We pulled the intake to relocate  the bungs so they will be out of the way for the 5" intake pipe and filter that will be installed.

Wire loom will be installed tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Sporty Dan on August 01, 2014, 09:56:27 PM
You are making awesome progress on the car! I can't wait to see the numbers from the chassis dyno!
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on August 11, 2014, 12:19:14 AM
Like so many others would love to be on the salt this week... a very bad deal for so many people    :cry:

We will have time to figure out a few things before we hit the salt.

last week during out scramble to get together we learned a few things ...

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Airbox1_zps7e0815cc.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Airbox1_zps7e0815cc.jpg.html)
^^^ this set-up with the 5" pipes cost us 80 hp on the chassis dyno over this set-up:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/mkviiiinstall_zpsf9de80d9.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/mkviiiinstall_zpsf9de80d9.jpg.html)
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/Mkviiiairbox_zpsa2a02a72.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/Mkviiiairbox_zpsa2a02a72.jpg.html)

ran on a local dyno with the "soft" tune up and just played with fuel psi:
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Car%20Pics/chassisdyno_zps0cc86798.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Car%20Pics/chassisdyno_zps0cc86798.jpg.html)
put 640 to the ground with 20 psi boost and 21* timing.  Now we have time to fine tune it and maybe add some boost and play with the timing. that muffler system is incredibly quite. we ran a 20' 5" section off the car exhaust, then split it into 2 4" pipes then into the muffler bank.

Anyone have any in-put on Data loggers ?


Edelbrock QwikData ?
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/qwikdata/

racepak ?
http://www.racepak.com/

pro's / cons ?

Temp: water, oil, air in, air out of intercooler

Psi: oil psi, boost psi

A/F

RPM

Wheel speed

EGT. I'm guessing if you have the option get all four exhaust readings not just the collector ?

Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Hot Rod Lincoln on November 28, 2015, 01:13:51 AM
It's been a while.

Making some refinements:

New manifold will allow space for air filter mounted to turbo. It has a bit more volume too

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/Esslinger%20intake%201_zpseve6jxt8.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Engine%20stuff/Esslinger%20intake%201_zpseve6jxt8.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/Esslinger%20intake%202_zps79rtttst.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Engine%20stuff/Esslinger%20intake%202_zps79rtttst.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa150/Sleepercp/Engine%20stuff/Esslinger%20intake%203_zpsk37wkqgu.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/Sleepercp/media/Engine%20stuff/Esslinger%20intake%203_zpsk37wkqgu.jpg.html)

making some changes and hopefully be back on the chassis dyno early next year for some tuning
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Calkins on November 29, 2015, 09:27:22 PM
Man, I do love them Mark VIIIs!!!  I have owned two in the past, and looking to get into another one sometime soon.  I too have thought about building an VIII for Bonne.  Someday...

Here is some of my collection...

Enjoy...

Popular Hot Rodding - January 1993
(http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww28/justin_calkins/Lincoln%20Mark%20VIII/PopularHotRodding-January1993.jpg)

Car Craft - February 1999
(http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww28/justin_calkins/Lincoln%20Mark%20VIII/CarCraft-February1999.jpg)

Super Ford - August 2000
(http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww28/justin_calkins/Lincoln%20Mark%20VIII/SuperFord-August2000-1.jpg)(http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww28/justin_calkins/Lincoln%20Mark%20VIII/SuperFord-August2000-2.jpg)

(http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww28/justin_calkins/Lincoln%20Mark%20VIII/SuperFord-August2000-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: fastman614 on January 15, 2016, 02:49:09 AM
I just thought I would check in and see how you guys are doing.....the salt flats situation is kind of the big impediment right now for everyone, I guess...

The turbo engine sounds like a fast one!

Take care....
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: bbarn on January 18, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
I'd like to know too!

I was standing with Rob this summer and a Lincoln pulled into the parking lot. It parked with a good profile view which caught my eye. I poked Rob and we talked about he aero of that body. I think one could do very well aerodynamically speaking with one of those.
Title: Re: Hot Rod Lincoln :2012 Bonneville ..................
Post by: Stan Back on January 18, 2016, 07:53:11 PM
Take a read at Reply #41+ on this thread.  Some Doubting Thomases (Doubting Stan?) said the car was too big for a little 4-cyl. engine.

(And a fine group of guys I met, too.)