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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Build Diaries => Topic started by: landspeed55 on February 24, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
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Well, it's been a while. The first thread I had for the new streamliner was lost due to a glitch or something.
Any way, on with the progress. We will be running H/BFS. We have completed the front hubs and tandem steering. The motor is being assembled by Cycle Tune here in Fresno and the rear section of the body is in process. I want to take this opprotunity to welcome ARP to our team. They will be providing all of the fasteners for the car. A special thanks to them!!
BB
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Do both front wheels steer? (Is this a dumb question?)
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Stan, it says tandem, I think that means both. :cheers:
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Easier to see.
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Eye gotta lern two reed bettre.
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Eye gotta lern two reed bettre.
butcher righting iz stop on
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Yup. Both wheels steer. They actually turn in the same direction. Pretty good for a guy like me to accomplish. Shoot, I have a hard time chewing gum and walking at the same time.
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Here are a few early pictures of the roll cage back from the original thread. 1 3/4" dia. .120" wall 4130. This was really tough stuff to bend. We were lucky to get it correct the first time.
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Don't you just love the way 4130 welds!! Nothing like MIL Spec clean metal. Beautiful job, and looking good!
Rex
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You had a lot of nice shots in the old thread, I looked and could not find them. I Slims guy is worth a damn he can recover the old images. Thanks for the update
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I will post the older build pictures as we go along now. Actually, I think ist's better to start over clean anyway.
Thanks
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I read the old thread, but I think it will be just as good the second time around!
Great build!
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Didn't you have some seat shots?
Also, I will throw this question out. I see you tied the rear frame tube into an upright at the outside corners of the shoulder hoop in typical dragster fashion. I am getting ready to work on this part of my frame. Is this the preferred method to do this? I am thinking about how things can come apart in an event. Looking at designing in a "breaking point" should something drastic happen. Thanks, Trent
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Trent, did you notice the fire bottle set up like I told you was a good idea when there is a space problem, BTW, in alll of my years I have never seen a frame failure in this area. Seen engines come out but no frame seperation.
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Hi Tman,
Good question. Hope you don't mind my long answer.
I am not sure if other chassis builders agree with the way I did this but, there is a good reason why I built it this way. In my opinion your doing great by thinking ahead incase of an event. You definitely have the right idea.
Take a look. You will notice a slight bend at each of the top rear compression frame rails just befor the tie in to those corner uprights. This bend provides a "weak" link. I perfer to call it a hinge. This type of connection, by design, creates an area for deformation when subjected to high compression or tension forces. (Dynamic Energy Release) Hopefully diverting this energy from the driver.
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Sorry!! Helps if Include the picture with the connection I was talking about
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Trent, did you notice the fire bottle set up like I told you was a good idea when there is a space problem, BTW, in alll of my years I have never seen a frame failure in this area. Seen engines come out but no frame seperation.
Yes, noted on the bottles.
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Hi Tman,
Good question. Hope you don't mind my long answer.
I am not sure if other chassis builders agree with the way I did this but, there is a good reason why I built it this way. In my opinion your doing great by thinking ahead incase of an event. You definitely have the right idea.
Take a look. You will notice a slight bend at each of the top rear compression frame rails just befor the tie in to those corner uprights. This bend provides a "weak" link. I perfer to call it a hinge. This type of connection, by design, creates an area for deformation when subjected to high compression or tension forces. (Dynamic Energy Release) Hopefully diverting this energy from the driver.
Makes sense, thanks for your answer!
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I thought all tubes in the driver area must be at least 1-5/8" in diameter. Looks like some tubes are smaller or is this just an illusion as the other bars 1-3/4?
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Btw, nice build. That's a sexy body shape.
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how wide are those gussets? 4in per side at all shoulder bar attachments points right? just look small that all
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It looks to me that they washed the driveway just before he took that frame shot.
Attention to detail to the MAX.
FREUD
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It looks to me that they washed the driveway just before he took that frame shot.
Attention to detail to the MAX.
FREUD
Or a rare rain day this year in Fresno, just a little over 3'' this season. One of several holding [flood ponds]
in Fresno in background.
Good looking build. Some of our crew members have Hyabusas [sp] and dyno tune professionaly here in Fresno.
JL222
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Thanks. Gussets are all per the rule book.
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We dropped the liner off at Advanced Metal Works this morning. They will be working on the aluminum the rear body section. We will try to get some progress photos.
BB
http://landspeedstreamliner.weebly.com/
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Rear bearing carriers are almost finished. Still need to machine the rear wheel hubs, sprocket and break rotor hubs. I am sure looking forward to getting this thing on wheels. :cheers:
BB
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I stopped by Advanced Metal Works this afternoon and found the rear upper body panels are starting to take shape.
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That is really looking great, super job by the tin benders for sure. :cheers:
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We recieved the new Tial Sport F40 wastegate today. Its a really nice piece. Thanks to Limit Engineering and GARRETT Turbochargers.
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Beautiful work and good luck to you. But how come the NACA ducts are facing backwards?
Don
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:-o :?
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Beautiful work and good luck to you. But how come the NACA ducts are facing backwards?
Don
Thanks Don,
The NACA ducts near the cage were originally going to be air exit vents not intake ducts, thats why they are backwards. However. They have been removed as I have decided not to use them, (long story).. I do have two small intake NACA ducts located just in front of the of the canopy windshield. They will be able to be regulated. The car will have a bottled fresh air system for the driver.
Brad
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Bottled? As in Oxygen?
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Trent, think scuba tank... bottled air... oxygen is not alllowed.
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Correct. Bottled air. I have a regulated SCBA system,(simmilar to SCUBA). Same breathing equipment the Firefighters use. Small compact bottles, easy to mount and the supply hose easily attaches to my helmet and is also very easy to remove while in full race gear.
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Trent, think scuba tank... bottled air... oxygen is not alllowed.
Eggzactly...knew that..thats why I was asking.
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Advanced Metal Works is making nice progress on the rear body sections. The shape is difficult to form but the guys are doing a great job getting both half sections the same.
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WOW! thats beautiful work. Any more progress?
JL222 :cheers:
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I lost a month on production because the car was at Adavnced Metal Works getting some of the major sheet metal forming done. I have it back home and I am working on fitting the tail end of the body now. It's been quite a deal. I will post some updated pics soon.
Any spare time has been spent helping Rick Yacoucci with the Nebulous Theorem III liner. He set a new E/FS record last weekend at El Mirage. 224 on a 211 record. It is a pleasure being part of the White Goose Bar Team.
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I lost a month on production because the car was at Adavnced Metal Works getting some of the major sheet metal forming done. I have it back home and I am working on fitting the tail end of the body now. It's been quite a deal. I will post some updated pics soon.
Any spare time has been spent helping Rick Yacoucci with the Nebulous Theorem III liner. He set a new E/FS record last weekend at El Mirage. 224 on a 211 record. It is a pleasure being part of the White Goose Bar Team.
The liner is coming along nice! Thanks for all the help!
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The aluminum engine cover and tail end sheet metal is going well. There has been a lot of break forming, cutting, fitting, pounding welding and sanding. Still more to do but I feel like we actually made some progress. The neighbors are loving all the noise.
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Making a little headway on the tail end of the body work. I need to make the two rear removable side access panels then I can move on to the verticle tail fin.
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The aluminum engine cover and tail end sheet metal is going well. There has been a lot of break forming, cutting, fitting, pounding welding and sanding. Still more to do but I feel like we actually made some progress. The neighbors are loving all the noise.
I think neighbours eventually get hypersensitized...I thought with the amount of noise I made while building the car that they would kill me, once their son went kind of postal when I was grinding at about 8.30pm, we then struck an agreement I would not make noise after dark and that seemed to be fine...but I know for sure if I made anywhere near that amount of noise now that they would definitely kill me, I know from the conversations I hear in their back yard....the tone gets angry when I'm bashing stuff :roll: .The fabbing of the water tank was a highpoint, a fifteen gallon tank with four full size baffles made from 3/16 steel, that was a noisy week.
It's a great looking car you've got there, beautiful work.
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I aggree with The Goggs, thats some nice looking stuff you've got going there.
The rear wheels look kinda small! :roll: But then I don't know too much about streamliners or tandem front ends.
Sid.
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I aggree with The Goggs, thats some nice looking stuff you've got going there.
The rear wheels look kinda small! :roll: But then I don't know too much about streamliners or tandem front ends.
Sid.
Thanks Sid,
So you don't think we should try to go 300+ with those moving dollies and mis matched golf cart tires--Ha Ha.. Shoot, I have been lucky they haven't blown out from just moving the car in and out of the garage :cheers:.
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I coulda sworn I saw M/T on those tires but maybe that meant "mower tire". :roll:
I have an avid intrest in tandum front end variations, I spent 15yrs with Al Teague & Betsy.
Currently building a 4WD AA/BFS.
Sid.
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The tandom front wheel set up really seems logical to me. I am really anxious to get behind the wheel to see what it feels like.
Thanks,
Brad
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We worked really hard this weekend and got a lot done. I cut the holes in the belly pan for the rear tires. We built and installed both of the inner rear fenders. Then we cut the rear section of the body apart and totally reworked it to fit the top of the fenders. We ended up spreading the back bone section almost 2" to get it lined up correctly. Everything really turned out well thanks to all the help from fellow fabricators, Tree House Dave and Racer Mark. There was one hell of alot of pounding and riviting topped off with aproximately 40' of aluminum welding.
Waite till the wife sees next months power bill..I may be in trouble :roll:
I have gone into shut down mode for today!!
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The saying goes, many hands make light work & apparently nice work too. :cheers:
I'm wondering if I might be related to Tree House Dave. I live in what we call the tree house, It's a little appartment I built in the top of the shop to be closer to the streamliner. You have to climb a ladder to gt up here, hence the tree house.
But it might just be the Kiwi-Hillbilly-Redneck in me.
Sid.
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The saying goes, many hands make light work & apparently nice work too. :cheers:
I'm wondering if I might be related to Tree House Dave. I live in what we call the tree house, It's a little appartment I built in the top of the shop to be closer to the streamliner. You have to climb a ladder to gt up here, hence the tree house.
But it might just be the Kiwi-Hillbilly-Redneck in me.
Sid.
Howdy Sid,
He truly lives in a real tree house. It has a ornimental iron spiral staircase, a window air conditioner, an outside deck and outside shower with a water heater. He really does have a nice home with oranges on acerage. His current spousal situation is pretty ugly so in the interm he built and lives the tree house and he is really happy. I will try to get some photos. It's funny but true.
Boz
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:cheers: my kind of guy :cheers:
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So I'm not the only one with a shed and an outside shower? After 5 years I got a hot water system because it looked like I would probably be here for a while...lol. I better get started on that liner...
Loving the build. :cheers:
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Thats the same reason I originally built mine too. She stayed in the house for a year & a half after the divorce. After that I moved back in but it was empty, & I mean echo chamber empty. They say home is where the heart is & my heart is in the streamliner, so we moved in together.
Streamliner guys have to be able to put 10lb's of crap in a 5lb bag. The tree house is 300sq ft with everything including a laundry, a great mountain view & a ladder.
Sid.
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Sid, after the divorce I lived in a 300 sq. foot cabin outside of Soda Springs. It was 2 story for a total of 300. :roll: Wayno
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They say home is where the heart is & my heart is in the streamliner, so we moved in together.
Sid... I didn't figure you as a romantic!
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Not many sheep in USA
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Montana's pretty close. :roll:
Sid.
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Where Men are Men, and the sheep are nervous. Baaaaaaad!
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Another Friday evening BS gathering. Mark finished the new A frame car lift so he wanted to try it out. It worked great. It will be even better when he fine tunes it. We set the car down for the first time and it looks way different than it does while it's up on the moving dollies.
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Looking great, when are you planning on running it?
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Next year Speedweek is the goal now. I would like to shake down/ test at El Mirage by May of next year.
If you are in Fresno, your sure welcome to come by for a cold one.
Brad
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Hi Brad
Very nice looking racer, what will you be using for your engine package ?
Thanks, Don
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Hi Brad
Very nice looking racer, what will you be using for your engine package ?
Thanks, Don
First up is an H motor. Turbo Suzuki Hyabusa 1300cc. H/BFS. Probably the hardest class to try for a record in. Rick Yacoucci (Nebolous Theorem ll) has the bar set really high. 324 mph +. Check out this site www.yacoucci.com/
However, this is where I am starting. It will be a real good test for the car before we step up the program. This car is being built to accept larger motors and that's where we are going with it in time.
Thanks,
Brad
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Hi Brad
What kind of power does it take in a liner to go 325 ?
Thanks , Don
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Hi Brad
What kind of power does it take in a liner to go 325 ?
Thanks , Don
We are looking for 550-600 hp.
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Reached another milestone!!! :cheers: The skin is now complete and ready for finish body work. I just finished fabricating and attaching the last two flat body panels at the back of the car. They are easly removeable to allow access to the fuel tank, batteries/electrical and anything else we can cram into the space below the chute tubes. Now we can focus on building the vertical tail and installing the rear axel assembly. After that we will install the mock up motor so we can fit the turbo and all that other good stuff.
Thanksgiving day this year will mark the third year of this build. We are all very pleased with the progress we have made to date. This thing is finally looking like a car!
Back to El Mirage July 14th and 15th with the Nebulous Theroem lll. Yacoucci got the fresh motor in. After ElMo the next stop is Bonneville
Brad
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Looking good guys! I was with Ron Jolliffe when he pre-teched your car this winter. See you on the Salt!
:cheers:
Pete in Montana
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Thanks Pete.
We got the rear axel mounts and bearing assemblies installed and squared up today. Now I am ready to start machining the rear wheel hubs, sprocket and brake rotor hubs.
BB
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... chain drive???... :-o
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... chain drive???... :-o
Yes. We are considering two chains side by side and close together.
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In a chain drive system, does it take more hp to drive two of them other than one or is a belt drive even better???
I dont have the answers, just the questions.
Sid.
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Chain drive is about 90-92% efficient, the Gates HTD design belt drive is 98+% efficient. So if your rice burner bike motor is making 600 hps you are throwing about 40+ hps away. Every wonder why chains get hot?
Rex
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Looks like Rex has the answers.
My next question would be, is it any advantage to run a larger set of sprockets to get a given ratio than a smaller set, Rex?
I've always looked at the drive sprocket on bikes & figured it must suck some power to twist that chain around that little sucker.
Sid.
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Looks like Rex has the answers.
My next question would be, is it any advantage to run a larger set of sprockets to get a given ratio than a smaller set, Rex?
I've always looked at the drive sprocket on bikes & figured it must suck some power to twist that chain around that little sucker.
Sid.
It sure wood be nice if there were a way to run a much larger front sprocket, but we are limited because of the clutch pusher rod on the Busa motor.
Regarding the belt drive; It sounds like a good idea but I would be curious to know how it would hold up. I am a fellow Miler member along with Sam Wheeler and I want to talk to him about that. I understand he is going to run a belt on his Easy Hook motorcycle liner. I am sure he has researched it well. I am really open to ideas here.
Boz.
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I would expect you would have to move out away from the case with a short shaft & support bearing to run a belt drive. If you wanted to run a bigger chain & sprocket setup, the same would apply.
I seriously doubt that reliability would be an issue with the appropriate size belt.
There is a bunch of that stuff for Harleys on the market, but I'm not in that playing field.
With small engine classes in any motor sport, you need to go after everything you can get.
Sid.
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The Turbinator has belt drive. So does Treit and Davenport.
FREUD
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The body is finally complete. It turned out pretty good and will require minimal body work.We are in process of building the tail fin and air intake scoop.
We did a little Red Neck driveway wind testing using a couple of turbofans. The results were okay. Although low speed air, (100mph) doesn't really mean much, at least the wind tags were all blowing liniear over the entire car.
I'am happy. :-D
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It looks fast standing still and that's always a good sign. Nice job guys! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Pete
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Looks good! Were you with Rick this year? I bet we talked in your pit while I was looking for DW..........
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Yup. I was there at the White Goose the whole time. Sorry I missed you. We worked our tails off. Not a good year for the Nebulous Theorem lll.
In spite of all that we still had lots of fun. At Bonneville with all our friends. Can't ask for more than that. Well another record for the liner would have been nice.
Next stop El Mirage Sept 16 and 17 With the C motor.
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Keep going! It's looking great!!!
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I agree! It's lookin great! Keep going!
I did not get a chance to stop by the NebIII pit this year also. Just to busy. I arrived late so I had an abbreviated schedule. It would have been good to meet.
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Where does a guy scrounge up a fan that moves large quantities of air at 100 MPH? :?
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Jack uses about a 1/2 dozen weed blowers :-o
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Been following the build, great work, can't wait to see it in person. Curious to see more details of the tail. As it has been said on this site often, it's how you close up the hole in the air that is important. I think you may find dirt or salt build up on the vertical area behind the rear tires where the body turns back in when you run it. It looks like a nice job radiusing that area and the back around the chutes looks great. If you have a good leaf blower it might be beneficial to put the tags in the rear and run the air in that direction along the side and top of the body to see what they do. I suspect you will see some direction change in the back. Stategically placed vortex generators (Nish sells) can sometimes help if you have reversion. Ideally, the tail would be 10 feet long to smooth the transition but that is not always practical. How big a tail fin do you plan on? While nice to have for stability, there is always a tradeoff for drag.
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Where does a guy scrounge up a fan that moves large quantities of air at 100 MPH? :?
I guess i shouldn't have quoted the air speed as I didn't measure it. I did have three fans going. They did move alot of air and gave me a very general idea of what as going on. I was pleased to say the least.
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Jack uses about a 1/2 dozen weed blowers :-o
Jack and I have talked about the good old weed blowers. What a great guy!! He told me to try it out so I did. In fact I had a couple of them going at the same time and they do move alot of air. It was pretty funny. The neighbors wondered what the hell we were up to. We sure have a lot of fun!!
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Been following the build, great work, can't wait to see it in person. Curious to see more details of the tail. As it has been said on this site often, it's how you close up the hole in the air that is important. I think you may find dirt or salt build up on the vertical area behind the rear tires where the body turns back in when you run it. It looks like a nice job radiusing that area and the back around the chutes looks great. If you have a good leaf blower it might be beneficial to put the tags in the rear and run the air in that direction along the side and top of the body to see what they do. I suspect you will see some direction change in the back. Stategically placed vortex generators (Nish sells) can sometimes help if you have reversion. Ideally, the tail would be 10 feet long to smooth the transition but that is not always practical. How big a tail fin do you plan on? While nice to have for stability, there is always a tradeoff for drag.
Thanks. We have really been having a lot of fun and have made some really good friends in the land speed racing circle. I am honored to have such great people helping and sharing their recommendations, ideas and experience with me.
The tail fin will be removeable so we can build other sizes and designs to try out. the first one will be approximately 24" tall and we intend to heep the frontal area as small as possible. Always a trade off with the air/drag vrs. horsepower isn't there. Nothing is free.. I know we have a lot to learn. As you are well aware you ask a lot of questions and you get a lot of different answers when it comes to this stuff.
I did put quite a few tags on the rear area of the car and I witnessed no reversion anywhere. I actually expected that area would have issues but it really did suprise me. All air flow so far over the entire car has been linier. But all this blowing air over the car really doesn't mean much. We will have to see what happens at speed. Things could be good or things could be bad. Wish we could afford to get it in a tunnel.
Thanks,
Brad
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Cool build! From what I hear on the grapevine, there is a new tunnel being built in Utah and a lot closer for us on the West coast. Tony
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Someone needs to build a truck with a long roof rack. Tufts and a camera could provide a lot of answers. :evil: :evil: :-D
Pete
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Someone needs to build a truck with a long roof rack. Tufts and a camera could provide a lot of answers. :evil: :evil: :-D
Pete
I like that Pete!! Funny :cheers:
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Cool build! From what I hear on the grapevine, there is a new tunnel being built in Utah and a lot closer for us on the West coast. Tony
Being built by Layne Christensen. He was at Speed Week passing out flyers. Some new aero tech will be involved - stay tuned! I told him he needs to be able to handle long, skinny thingys! :cheers:
That will be really great. Looking forward to it.
Thanks,
Brad
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Mounted the mock up motor and the turbo in the car. Everything is going as planned.
Also did a driver test fir tonight with the new 40 degree Hans. It works much better than the original 30 degree. The 30 degree kept me from getting my shoulders to fit firmly against the rear of the seat. Kiwi Steve spotted this problem last year when I took the car to El Mirage. Problem solved now. Thanks Steve!!
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"Everything is going as planned"
Ahh-- the calm before the storm :-D
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Looking good Brad. Can't wait to see it in person. Fun stuff the other day, huh? :cheers: Wayno
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Looking good Brad. Can't wait to see it in person. Fun stuff the other day, huh? :cheers: Wayno
Thanks Wayno, really had a blast spending time with all you guys. That trip really motivated me. Now that the mock up motor is in I think we can make some good progress.
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We loaded up the liner and took it out to Greg and JoAnn Carlson's Saturday night. They put on a great BBQ. I switched to the "fuel class" at the MOOSE CREEK BAR about ten minuts after arriving. We all had a great time talking shop. LSR is truly a lifestyle.
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We are working on the rear wheel hubs and I have also began machining the rear break rotor hub.
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Brad
I spent some time finally.
What a great job! Nice long straight lines! You will give 788 a good run!
Jack
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Brad
I spent some time finally.
What a great job! Nice long straight lines! You will give 788 a good run!
Jack
Thanks Jack. We could use the body off of my car for a garage for the 788. Ha Ha.
Brad
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I did make some great progress this weekend. I got the rear chain/axle adjusters finished. I also finished the installing the parachute solenoids, cables and redundant release system. We are still in process of machining the rear wheel hubs and the break rotor hub. We are hoping to finish up the entire rear axle assembly in the next two weeks.
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We worked on the tail fin the last couple of days and Tree House Dave just took it home to finish up the last of the firerglass work. I have been working on the rear brake rotor assembly. Finally got the hub machine work completed and the unit bolted togeathr. I installed it for a test fit. Mounting the calipers will be next. I also installed the naca ducts in the engine cover. We made a pattern and layed them up in fiberglass. They turned out great. It's nice to have a couple of real productive work days where things come together.
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I forgot. Here are a couple of progress shots of the tail fin.
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Special thanks to both Dave Barrett and Kent Baucher. Kent fabricated the tail from wood and Dave did all of the finish shaping and fiberglass including the skirts and flanges. They did one hell of a job. :cheers:
The tail will stay on the chassis when the engine cover is removed. It is attached with bolts and sits on a 1/2" 6061-T6 aluminum mounting plate. The entire tail assembly is easy to remove and install and is aligned via locating dowels. Another milestone completed on the new liner.
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Great build to follow, thank you for taking the time to post. My questions: What size is the tail and how did you arrive at the size, what kind of calculations went into this? Does it have an airfoil shape, if so what profile did you use?
Thank you
Michael
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Looks great!
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Were moving along steady with the car. We are ordering the aluminum tubing and elbows for the turbo intake and intercooler. siliconeintake.com.
I am also doing the layout of the tanks for engine water, intercooler ice/water and fuel. We will be visiting Advanced Metal Works, Inc. again soon to shear and form the sheet aluminum/stainless.
Special welcome to our newest sponsor Mike Minnick Roofing, Clovis California.
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Frozenboost.com / siliconesintakes.com
Are one of my favorite suppliers. Fast delivery and great prices.
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We got the rear hubs back from Snow White Hot Rods. Ronnie did a great job machining them. We put the car on the ground for the first time with all four wheels. One more milestone reached.
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Here are a few more pics.
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Careful, Brad. Somebody's gonna think a "grown-up" built that thing. :wink: Looking good, my friend. Wayno
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It just looks right and as they say, if it looks good.... Damn, that is nice. :wink:
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My apologies for "arriving late"...
What's the engine?
Who makes the trick centrifugal clutch?
Thanks...
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Beautiful craftsmanship! That thing looks fast just sitting there! :cheers:
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Who makes the trick centrifugal clutch?
Centrifugal clutches have been around forever. The level of sophistication these days is amazing.
Road racers have the opposite problem when they slow for a corner and the rear wheel is driving the engine. They use a slipper clutch to partially disengage to prevent wheel hop.
The stock Hayabusa clutch drive plate has radial springs to help absorb some torque on launch. They help on a stock engine, no help when you are trying to get a decent launch.
How many times have you watched a Bonneville car bog the engine on launch? Not helping the exit speeds, that's for sure.
The Hayabusa drag racing clutches range from single stage like the one in the picture to multi stage with springs and levers and weights and washers and 6 arm and 4 arm oh my. :cheers:
The clutch doesn't engage until you are up in the low end of the power band. Or the high end, your choice with springs and weights. Problem solved.
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That's nice... who makes this one?
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Says MTC
getting used to the tight fitting bike liners, you car guys have so much more space to work in
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My apologies for "arriving late"...
What's the engine?
Who makes the trick centrifugal clutch?
Thanks...
The motor is a Suzuki Hyabusa. 1300 cc (80 cid)
The clutch is a MTC Engineering lock up. Newer version than the one I ran on my top fuel drag motorcycle years ago
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Says MTC
getting used to the tight fitting bike liners, you car guys have so much more space to work in
Now that I am at this stage in the build I can easily see where I could make the car smaller. However, this car is being designed for bigger motors later on.
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Well; We decided to name the new liner "VALLEY FEVER", after the original mid 1970's Eddies Speed Shop, Valley Fever top fuel dragster that was owned and tuned by Mike Garrison here in Fresno, CA. The car was co-owned and driven by top fuel drag racer Rance McDaniel. I crewed on all of the top fuel Valley Fever cars over the years and had a really great time doing it. Besides myself, quite a few of the people associated with our new liner were also involved with Eddies Speed Shop and the Valley Fever Car. So, I met with Mike Garrison today and asked him permission to resurrect the Valley Fever name in tribute to all the great times we all had back then NHRA drag racing. He approved and said "Absolutely, that would Really be Cool!"
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We have finished the firewall fabrication. All that is left to be done is drill all the bolt holes. We won't fully bolt and seal it in place until we start the final assembly on the car. Now I am getting ready to begin fabrication on the fuel tank, engine cooling water and intercooler ice water tanks. We are finally starting to get into some of the more fun parts to build. The old engine compartment is really filling up fast.
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Coming along nicely there Brad.
A little advice, I would be inclined to put at least one hump hose in your cold pipe to prevent failure from expansion or vibration. One at each end & something to support the center section would be preferable Mate.
Sid.
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I agree with Sid-- there needs to be some flexibility to avoid cracking the piping.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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I agree with Sid-- there needs to be some flexibility to avoid cracking the piping.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Thanks Neil.
I do intend to use one of the hump hose connectors from Silicone Intakes for some flexability.
Brad
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Well,
lots of things are happening now. We are building the engine cooling water tank, working on the front wheel safety fender and scatter shields and we are gathering our fuel, intercooler water and engine cooling water fittings and lines.
Things seem to really be rolling. We are very pleased to say that we have a new sponsor. We welcome Mammoth Oxygen located in Madera, Ca. They are providing all of our paint materials and welding supplies. A special thanks to Greg Hockert.
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That's good to hear. Sponsors are very important and my experience is that when they supply product there is a different relationship from a financial one. They're more involved and will always bail you out if you need more than the original deal stipulated. When are you going to post pics?. Liners are great projects. Great job 55.
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That's good to hear. Sponsors are very important and my experience is that when they supply product there is a different relationship from a financial one. They're more involved and will always bail you out if you need more than the original deal stipulated. When are you going to post pics?. Liners are great projects. Great job 55.
All of our sponsors are pretty involved with the car. We have a regular Hot Rod social gathering every Friday here at the Loose Moose Bar. They all come to check out the progress on the liner from the previous week. Some days there are as many as 25 to 30 people here. I have found the power in numbers. All of these people know alot of others. This in itself has led to several sponsorships. We are very greatful for all of our friends and we all are having a hell of a lot of fun.
I will post some more pics as soon as we can enough of the car back together. I am nearing the final stages of completion and we will be taking the entire car apart soon and sending all the parts and pieces out for powdercoat. The body is in for paint and I am hoping it will return by April 1st at the latest. :cheers:
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I know the feeling as the tear down starts.
Then you will be anxious for the parts to return.
I've been privileged to experience that with Target550.
Good job on the progress.
FREUD
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That's good to hear. Sponsors are very important and my experience is that when they supply product there is a different relationship from a financial one. They're more involved and will always bail you out if you need more than the original deal stipulated. When are you going to post pics?. Liners are great projects. Great job 55.
All of our sponsors are pretty involved with the car. We have a regular Hot Rod social gathering every Friday here at the Loose Moose Bar. They all come to check out the progress on the liner from the previous week. Some days there are as many as 25 to 30 people here. I have found the power in numbers. All of these people know alot of others. This in itself has led to several sponsorships. We are very greatful for all of our friends and we all are having a hell of a lot of fun.
I will post some more pics as soon as we can enough of the car back together. I am nearing the final stages of completion and we will be taking the entire car apart soon and sending all the parts and pieces out for powdercoat. The body is in for paint and I am hoping it will return by April 1st at the latest. :cheers:
What are these sponsor things you speak of? :-D It's just me and the dog in the strawbale shop on ours! :cheers:
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Tman, for the unknowing, sponsors are small plastic cards that, when interacted with a parts vendor causes the up's or X man to show up at your door with goodies. Some times when the sponsors are feeling drained they will feely interact in a fleabay atmosphere occationally causing anger and self abuse.
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:-D I should be so lucky to have a plastic sponsor. I swear I'd end up incarcerated and that's the truth.
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Our sponsors, Visa, Mastercard, and American Express supply us with tons of their products, but then they turn around and want it back. What's up with that?
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :-D
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ya, whatz zup wid dat??? now back to the festivities :-D
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We have finished the rear axle assembly for the liner. The car is being disassembled and I have a little bit of welding left on the underside of the chassis. Belly pans and miscellaneous parts are out for powder coating.
It looks like the car will be ready to put together for real pretty soon. We are all pretty excited. :cheers:
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That's good news. :cheers:
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Great to read that the car is getting closer to completion, keep it up! :cheers:
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May El Mirage, Brad? :-) Wayno
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Plan to have the car there for Tech only. Hopefully in June we can start getting license runs started.
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Department of redundancy department. :roll:
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We are finally in the final assembly stage. Things are really going along well. We are trying to get the car ready for El Mirage in May. I want to put it through tech inspection and try to get my bail out signed off. Hope to do preliminary testing in early June. :cheers:
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Update;
The new liner has been in Palmdale at the home of the Nebulous Theroem III for almost a month undergoing brain and sensor surgeries. We planned to test at El Mirage yesterday but as we arrived we found the lake bed was too wet. We are going to try testing again this Saturday. Things are full steam ahead and we will be at Bonneville under the umbrella of the White Goose Bar.
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Really looking forward to see you at the salt!!!
Rex
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Really looking forward to see you at the salt!!!
Rex
DITTO!
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All loaded up for Speed Week and ready to go. :cheers:
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I wonder what it's like to have a full nights sleep the night before departure?
It could happen for 55.
FREUD
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See you there, Brad. This should be a rather fun Week. :cheers: Wayno
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Saturday, Bonneville, 148.699 on rookie run. Stayed under 150!
Sunday, 171.520 on the first pass. Nice tune up pass.
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Nice pass today Brad! Perfect run for getting your AA license!
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Hi Rob
What speed are they up to now?
G Don
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Hi Rob
What speed are they up to now?
G Don
They ran 263.736 yesterday. Looks like they are done for the week as they found water in the oil or vice versa from a leaking intercooler. Car looks even prettier in person. Pics don't do it justice. Great job guys!
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H/BFS record is 324 by Costella/Yacoucci.
I think that's a good first out speed to achieve. Time to go back to the drawing board.
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H/BFS record is 324 by Costella/Yacoucci.
I think that's a good first out speed to achieve. Time to go back to the drawing board.
Rick has been helping the guys with the tuneup this week.
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Sounds like a good first time out.
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We were getting ready to make another pass but when we fired the car in the pits we heard some unwelcome noise from the clutch or gear box. Not sure what it is yet. The leak in the intercooler wasn't really that big of a deal. We will get her all fixed up. Maybe we can run it in October. The motor had only a basic tune up at first. we were geting some good tuning data on the last two runs.
I felt we ran pretty darn good for the first out on a brand new car. Got D through AA license. Running on low power and only through 3rd gear. The car handles very well. Lots of people were complaining about the condition of coarse 1. Me, The Salt Virgin that I was, didn't know any better. I thought it was okay. I ran the right side and things felt real good to me.
I had a blast. Can't wait to go back.
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Brad, your whole operation seemed solid. I'm glad you did well. :cheers: Wayno
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Thanks Wayno.
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You guys did look solid! Gongrats!
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You were laying it down as you went past the timing slip stand.
You accomplished a lot and did it with class.
FREUD
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Beautiful car, great first outing. Wishing you good luck in the future.
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Beautiful car, great first outing. Wishing you good luck in the future.
You were laying it down as you went past the timing slip stand.
You accomplished a lot and did it with class.
FREUD
You guys did look solid! Gongrats!
Thanks to all of you.
Landspeed Racers are the best.
Without Turbo Rick's tireless efforts, Spark Plug Gary's perfect wiring and support from the entire White Goose Bar Racing Team, there was no way we could have made Speed Week. I couldn't have imagined a better first time out. The car handled great and felt solid as a rock.
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Just got home from the 2014 GNRS Century of Speed. What a Show. We were happy to have our liner on display.
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Checked your website.
Great photos.
Beautiful car. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: