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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: Cajun Kid on January 10, 2012, 01:44:41 PM
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This will be fun....
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I think you need a write-in vote.
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Someone else wins. Just to stoke the fire. Seriously though, what are each cars fastest pass in NA C motor trim on gas?
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What event is the poll for? What if one or both of you don't show-up for the event? What will be said then?
And I agree with Stan about a write in vote and one for "who cares as long as everyone has fun". And this competition should be open to anything with a "C" motor.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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And this competition should be open to anything with a "C" motor.
ECTA, right? So anyone with a smaller engine should be able to run up in class. Isn't that the standard? LOL
Mike
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Good one Mike - I didn't think of that one.
DW
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What event is the poll for? What if one or both of you don't show-up for the event? What will be said then?
And I agree with Stan about a write in vote and one for "who cares as long as everyone has fun". And this competition should be open to anything with a "C" motor.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
It is open to anyone with a c motor or smaller. We will both be at the track no question about it.
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The Camaro has never run a motor that small before. Best NA pass was 185mph with 650rwhp. :roll:
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Does it need to have 4 wheels?
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I was thinking the same thing, Dean. :evil:
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This Poll is for the C Motor NA Doorslammer Challenge,,
But in true grudge match style,,, there is a direct challenge in a challenge between the Time Bomb Camaro and My Studebaker..
I still think I will be the over all winner,,, but my main objective is to let the Camaro go first,, so I can beat it by .001 mph... so even if another car wins overall, just whipping the Time Bomb will be fun...(and I wanna beat them by the slimmest margin, like .001 to 1 mph)..
Charles
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Someone else wins. Just to stoke the fire. Seriously though, what are each cars fastest pass in NA C motor trim on gas?
204 on the Mazda at maxton in street car,non pushtruck class :-D and 210 at maine with same tune,same class! :roll:
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191 at Maxton (2nd pass on that engine).. but I ain't scared of those 200+ Camaro's and Mazda's...
Let the games begin.....
Charles
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191 at Maxton (2nd pass on that engine).. but I ain't scared of those 200+ Camaro's and Mazda's...
Let the games begin.....
Charles
Not threating you Charles,just answering JavaJoes question! :-o Still pulling for you!!! :cheers:
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does a truck count as a "doorslammer"? If so, I'm in!
Kix
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what if we use my truck as the push truck for Charles??????? I think I can get you to about 170mph by the half mile marker and then you can take off!!!!!!!
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Kix if you have a single carb on it your good!!!!! We are ready for ya!!!
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Kix,
I may need a fast push,,,
what is the fastest your Sonoma ran at Maxton and with what motor configuration ? Type, Size , Induction ?
Charles
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Kix,
I may need a fast push,,,
what is the fastest your Sonoma ran at Maxton and with what motor configuration ? Type, Size , Induction ?
Charles
We ran 193mph last year at 358cid naturally aspirated with twin carbs... Hoping to have the fuel injection migration completed for April and get over 200 by getting that gawdawful hoodscoop off the truck!
I think we'll all pick up a couple mph in the absence of those God forsaken bumps at Maxton! Nothing piques my sense of awareness more than spinning the tires at 180mph in a 5,000lb truck!!!!!!!
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Kix,
I may need a fast push,,,
what is the fastest your Sonoma ran at Maxton and with what motor configuration ? Type, Size , Induction ?
Charles
We ran 193mph last year at 358cid naturally aspirated with twin carbs... Hoping to have the fuel injection migration completed for April and get over 200 by getting that gawdawful hoodscoop off the truck!
I think we'll all pick up a couple mph in the absence of those God forsaken bumps at Maxton! Nothing piques my sense of awareness more than spinning the tires at 180mph in a 5,000lb truck!!!!!!!
Been there done that,,, spinning and hitting the rev limiter because of "the bump"..
I woulld hope the better and reportedly smoother surface would give us all a few more MPH ???
(no start area dogleg and no long shut down obstacles) but Ohio long shutdown is 1000 foot shorter,, but much better braking surface,,, either way, I am putting complete new braking system on the Stude and New Chute.
Charles
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Nothing piques my sense of awareness more than spinning the tires at 180mph in a 5,000lb truck!!!!!!!
Before we got the torque arm set up correctly (for top end vs. starting traction), I was blowing the tires
off going into 4th... no bump needed. That will definitely pucker you up at 185+mph :-D
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Nothing piques my sense of awareness more than spinning the tires at 180mph in a 5,000lb truck!!!!!!!
Before we got the torque arm set up correctly (for top end vs. starting traction), I was blowing the tires
off going into 4th... no bump needed. That will definitely pucker you up at 185+mph :-D
I can't wait to see the Red Hot Racing Camaro back on the track and setting more records..
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does a truck count as a "doorslammer"? If so, I'm in!
Kix
Dave we can run this challenge if we run one carb or one throttle body.
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ONE CARB
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does a truck count as a "doorslammer"? If so, I'm in!
Kix
Dave we can run this challenge if we run one carb or one throttle body.
One Carb
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Someone said one carb or one throttle body. No worries though it's your challenge.
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Charles needs a refresher. Thats one carb or one throttle body. You'll have to excuse charles he is too busy blowing my brothers phone in panic b/c he doesnt know what motor we are bring to this wolrd championship race!!!! lol :-o
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Oh I see that this is your race and your rules. Funny how you two want to set it up to accomadate you. Looks like you may get beat at your own game and get embarrased to boot. Don't make me use these!(http://)
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WOW UD,,,
let me borrow the 3rd one from the left !!!
See you in Ohio !
Where u staying ?
Charles
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Oh I see that this is your race and your rules. Funny how you two want to set it up to accomadate you. Looks like you may get beat at your own game and get embarrased to boot. Don't make me use these!(http://)
Poor mouther just as I thought!!! :wink:
Just pick the one with the most power and bring it!!! We are ready!!!!!
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Charles needs a refresher. Thats one carb or one throttle body. You'll have to excuse charles he is too busy blowing my brothers phone in panic b/c he doesnt know what motor we are bring to this wolrd championship race!!!! lol :-o
No refresher... Originally the Challenge was my Idea and just for Me against David.
It was to be C N/A Single Carb on gas...
I did however look back and when "we" opened the challenge up to "ALL" C motors and smaller, David did specify N/A Gas C or smaller, One carb or one throttle body,,
but the spirit of the challenge was carb..
No worries on my part...
CV
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Oh Mike,,
You guys are going to have to go 205mph to beat me..
Write that down !!!!
(that is 20 mph faster N/A than you guys have ever been)
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Well according to the poll neither of us are going to win!!!! lmao
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Well according to the poll neither of us are going to win!!!! lmao
To heck with the polls - you two need to vote - with your right feet. :-D
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Mike,, man you are correct... the poll shows someone else winning...
Hmm,,, I guess the SB2 powered Mazda has swayed a few votes away from us ??
MM has it right,,, the outcome is not determined by the poll...
Game On !!!!
CV
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Don't panic boys :-o(Refuring to the Maty BOYS) Thats just a picture of motors that I crated up to ship to sweden last spring. Trust me,if I had access to either one of those motors,there would be 5 (five ) TSC jackets instead of 3 (THREE ) and a no brainer of who would cover the "C" motor Carb shootout. :roll: Remember POWER is no good if you can't hook it up the full mile. :wink: Still pullin for you Charles!!! Oh buy the way Dave,remember when you said nice jacket to Frank as he wore the 2005 TSC one. I think his reply was that HE had the original one and you just had a COPY!!! LOL :-D :cheers:
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I won my first one by speed. Not by protest...
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I won my first one by speed. Not by protest...
Follow the rules and you won't be protested. :-D So you went there, OK. For the record,if the rule book had been properly applied,your jacket count would now be Zero, 0, zilch,notta as notta in your closet! So what about our other two! We know who you suck up to! :roll:
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Boys. You wana have a private race between us,NO PUSH TRUCK,1 Carb, CEEEEEEEE motor? But wait,you usealy only make 1 pass before it comes apart so that would be a strain to out proform both Charles and Us ???? Come on people! Over 600 views and only 43 votes????
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Boys. You wana have a private race between us,NO PUSH TRUCK,1 Carb, CEEEEEEEE motor? But wait,you usealy only make 1 pass before it comes apart so that would be a strain to out proform both Charles and Us ???? Come on people! Over 600 views and only 43 votes????
If it will help the cause, I'll vote a few more times....
It seems that Charles has the "crowd" pretty stirred up - its going to be a great event in Ohio!!
Our Best to You,
Geo Turner
Geezer Racing
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Thanks Geezer! Looking forward the talking with you and your team again. Its gonna be a blast!!!!
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Hey you all, bragging rights come after the fact. Go run and then we will know who is BOSS> :roll:
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Hey you all, bragging rights come after the fact. Go run and then we will know who is BOSS> :roll:
As Walter Brennen used to say on a old TV show(The Guns of Will Sonnett. Dang I tellin my age now) No brag son,just fact!!!
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Boys. You wana have a private race between us,NO PUSH TRUCK,1 Carb, CEEEEEEEE motor? But wait,you usealy only make 1 pass before it comes apart so that would be a strain to out proform both Charles and Us ???? Come on people! Over 600 views and only 43 votes????
If it will help the cause, I'll vote a few more times....
It seems that Charles has the "crowd" pretty stirred up - its going to be a great event in Ohio!!
Our Best to You,
Geo Turner
Geezer Racing
Geezer,
We are just having a little off season fun and renewing some old rivalries and making some new ones...
got to have a little anticipation for the new venue...
We hope to announce the full details of a MORE INCLUSIVE,,, Charity Challenge soon,...
Stay Tuned...
Charles
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All in good fun boys!!! This poop slinging fest is hilarious. Its great bc we can all sit around and drink a beer to this deal when its all said and done. :cheers:
UD the new set up will not require a push truck. I will not be using it this year for the TSC. For this C motor challenge I will use it bc well its 100% a land speed contest. Dave and I will take is to the Dq to prove its a street car when its all finished up.
This is going to be a great racing year for everyone. Except for charles bc he wont cut holes in his fire wall for dry sump lines. Sally!!!!!!
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:-D DQ must be at the end of the track or they have room for truck and trailor parking! :roll: lol Try doing a Christmas parade! :-P
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:-D DQ must be at the end of the track or they have room for truck and trailor parking! :roll: lol Try doing a Christmas parade! :-P
I will be doing a victory parade after the race. If you like Macys christams parades, Ill let you be santa at the end. You have the beard for it!!!!
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Mike,,, I have a pretty firewall !!!... if mine was fugly I would chop it up and run oil lines...
But, like you said... don't worry about what I have !!! :evil:
Come visit my shop next time you have a Sat or Sun off,,, we can pop a few tops !!!
CV
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My firewall is to pretty is the lamest excuse for losing I have ever heard. It's 2 bulkheads. It will be ok
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My firewall is to pretty is the lamest excuse for losing I have ever heard. It's 2 bulkheads. It will be ok
looking into options
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Charles, you guys are killing me. I want in so bad I cannot stand it...but 2012 is just not the year. Business before racing.... this year at least. I have so many things going on that i have to attend to I probably will not make a run in '12. I am an Irish scraper and love a good fight so a throw down challenge is just up my alley. I just have to live vicariously thorugh you this year.
What I really want is for you to bring that cherry Stude out to Bonneville in '13 and get it rusty with the rest of us!
Bill
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Bill, I do understand your position,,, and 2012 is very possibly the year I can make Bonneville in Sept.
I need to hit a few Milestones first.
1. Win this N/C Gas C Motor Challenge (or at least beat the Time Bomb)
2. Go over 200 at Ohio (with the C N/A gas motor)
3. Go over 200 at Loring (with the E motor)
4. If the E does well at Loring's 1.5 mile... then I will try the Salt in Sept 2012,, if not, I guess I will join you in 2013
Hope to see you in Ohio..I have a spot on the crew for you !!!!
Charles
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:-D DQ must be at the end of the track or they have room for truck and trailor parking! :roll: lol Try doing a Christmas parade! :-P
I will be doing a victory parade after the race. If you like Macys christams parades, Ill let you be santa at the end. You have the beard for it!!!!
I might have the beard for it, but do you have enough power to pull the sleigh? :roll:
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Heres one for the haters. 170mph passes. I had less then $12k in this setup. WITH NO PUSH TRUCK. Listen carefully for the 4th gear powershift at the end. I was not polite to the tko. This was in '06 when we were just getting into this. I believe May Meet. It was way easier back then. Sorry for the quality but this was 6years ago technology...
http://www.streetfire.net/video/maxton-monster-mile-170mph-pass-71-camaro_46793.htm (http://www.streetfire.net/video/maxton-monster-mile-170mph-pass-71-camaro_46793.htm)
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David,, even for an old video,, I like what I saw and heard... N/A is the Way....
CV
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Here is our doorslammer. The bed cover also slams :-D
This is 2 carbs though but only the 2nd event we ever ran with the truck . 193mph I would guess with only 1 carb we way lose a few mph but if we go injected and lose the scoop, we hope to crack 200mph. Or we may say screw the challenge, spray it and go for broke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n1jEkucgT0
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Really good view of just how rough that place was
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Yeah you can really see the truck moving around.
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Nice run video for the Sonoma !!!
Can't wait to see the same view from Ohio...
We all "should" be able to go a bit faster with Ohio's smoother surface and hopefully better traction for both accelerating and then braking..
I can't wait,,, are we there yet ??
CV
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Of all our videos that one is best I think. Sound and all that turned out great.
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I loved that video. I will miss that track, :cry: bumps ,grass, junk and all.
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Entertaining read :-D
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Entertaining read :-D
Indeed! Won't they all be ashamed if they get beat by a pickup truck?!?!?
I saw your post on our video from Maxton... the bumps at Maxton were tough, but Ohio promises to be smooth as silk!
Those bumps at Maxton were unsettling for the higher horsepower cars, but nothing like that darn wind at B-ville last year.... I was blown off the course at 185mph just before you spun, and was down there telling the officials they shouldn't let people run when you went off. How was that ride???
Kix
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I wasn't driving, but that run produced a red hat, a spin at 280, and a new front end. :-D. All in all it was a success. :mrgreen:
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What I will miss from Maxton is
1. The People
2. The Character of the Track,,, it does make you pay close attention from start to finish to shutdown to return road..
dodging cracks and craters on the return road with 10 degrees of caster and a locked rear end is a chore !!
3. The close proximity to my house... 2 hours 15 minute drive...
What I will not miss is ..
?????
What I look forward to is the SMOOTH runway at Ohio...
"Let there be Traction"
See ya
Charles
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Entertaining read :-D
Indeed! Won't they all be ashamed if they get beat by a pickup truck?!?!?
I saw your post on our video from Maxton... the bumps at Maxton were tough, but Ohio promises to be smooth as silk!
Those bumps at Maxton were unsettling for the higher horsepower cars, but nothing like that darn wind at B-ville last year.... I was blown off the course at 185mph just before you spun, and was down there telling the officials they shouldn't let people run when you went off. How was that ride???
Kix
I was driving ready to hit the chute at any time as it felt loose all the way untill it started to spin just before the end of the three. It wasn't windy at the start but a few rain drops were falling [not many] .After spinning I noticed bottom panels of chute were completly wet, so it must have been raining more in the 3 mile area and windier. Not happy abot spin but happy
car stayed flat spinning at that speed. Remember seeing hood way up in the air and thinking [damn] :cry: We had a lot of work in that hood, now we have to do another.
JL222
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It may not be a naturally aspirated engine but it gets the job done.
I figured since your posting vids of how rough the track was I'd throw this one up as well.
It's old and most of you have seen it already but if you watch the car and track reacting together it's quite interesting.
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/1-jdEj5eMcM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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Damn I post 1 time and it killed the whole thread!
I feel hurt, you guys must be too busy trying to make your junk fast enough to win this nice little competition you have goin on here.
I wish good luck and high speeds to all.
Mike Reichen
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Dodge I post 1 time and it killed the whole thread!
I feel hurt, you guys must be too busy trying to make your junk fast enough to win this nice little competition you have goin on here.
I wish good luck and high speeds to all.
Mike Reichen
I enjoyed it Mike - see you in April.
Geo Turner
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Too bad you don't "qualify" for this challenge... the Evo would take the cake!
A "G" motor plus turbo... that's about the same as an NA "C" motor, right? :evil:
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Luke,, Mike would not take the cake,,, he has not made it to the finish line in a few years !!!! :evil: :evil: :cheers: :cheers:
Just Kidding Mike,,, I am your biggest fan !! No joke,, 6ft, 360lbs,,, :cheers:
See you in April...
Charles
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Easy Charles,Easy :-o. Mike being from the Chi Town area might know somebody that knows where Hoffa went! lol :evil: :cheers:
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Actually under the SCTA rules the Turbo would only bump you 2 motor classes, Mike would be a "D" motor...But he's Fuel Now, you guys are running Gas, I think?
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I don't know that he's running fuel, unless he's added a meth/water kit...
Don't think he needs to add N20 to the 2.0L with 40psi :-D
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Luke - good to see you on here! How's the motor and car mods coming?
40 PSI!!!?? Is he setting it up to inflate tires? I can't imagine.......
Dan
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"Actually under the SCTA rules the Turbo would only bump you 2 motor classes..."
Where do you find that Mike?
DW
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Dan --
It's the seldom-seen 1943 Rule Book. Running fuel bumps you another class, so the Mitsubishi would run C. Except in '43, some might be shooting that down.
Stan
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0, Stan?
:cheers:
Mike
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I thought it may be in the only copy of the 1974 book, owned by the Propster.
DW
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Except in '43, some might be shooting that down.
Thats to funny I nearly pissed my pants reading that. LOL
Ronnieroadster
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"Actually under the SCTA rules the Turbo would only bump you 2 motor classes..."
Where do you find that Mike?
DW
It's probably the old rule, Manghelli ran the Blue Volkswagen Mini-truck in MMP with a Turbo that bumped him up 2 engine classes until BMMP was created.
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I don't know that he's running fuel, unless he's added a meth/water kit...
Don't think he needs to add N20 to the 2.0L with 40psi :-D
Mike is running E95, It's considered fuel, I was considering E85 but alas, no Fuel Class for /BMMP
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I run VP C16 and drink alcohol !!! so what class am I ? :cheers: :cheers:
Can't wait for Ohio and opening day !!!
Charles
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And then there was the day I came to and discovered I had blown alcohol.
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"Actually under the SCTA rules the Turbo would only bump you 2 motor classes..."
Where do you find that Mike?
DW
It's probably the old rule, Manghelli ran the Blue Volkswagen Mini-truck in MMP with a Turbo that bumped him up 2 engine classes until BMMP was created.
2006 Rule Book 5.D.6 3rd paragraph :-D
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Why would you use a 2006 rulebook when we are entering the 2012 season?
Old saying - "That was then, this is now." You may be classified as a propster supporter by falling back on an old, obsolete rulebook. Are you looking to run against the record listed in that book?
DW
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I think drag shoots should be tied around the necks of every racer....
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Why would you use a 2006 rulebook when we are entering the 2012 season?
Old saying - "That was then, this is now." You may be classified as a propster supporter by falling back on an old, obsolete rulebook. Are you looking to run against the record listed in that book?
DW
No Dan, I'm happy with they way things are now, the only records I run on are my own :-D
Now in 2006 there was a particular one I was after but World Finals got rained out!
The discussion started about the tongue in cheek theory of Richen's Evo competing in the Informal Wilmington C Motor Challenge. My point was even under the old rules the turbo still didn't get him into the C class motor.
Propster is just a loon that cuts and pastes previous rants on a subject from one board to another once he gets a rube to argue with.
I'm not a loon (yet) and you are no rube my friend:-D
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Ron Main voiced his new theory Saturday night:
"To copy another's idea as your own is plagiarism. In LSR to copy everyone's ideas is research."
I think we know where that one points.
DW
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So, who one this?
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I recon Charles as the Time Bomb is broken and did not run (no fault of they's) :?
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Don't count me out at a speed of 207mph. :roll: Just saying. :cheers:
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Wow! what was I thinking-one instead of won? :?
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Don't count me out at a speed of 207mph. :roll: Just saying. :cheers:
We won't ever count you out - thanks again for all your help - you're as "Geezer" as Apple Pie...
Enjoy you latest jacket!!
Geo Turner
For the Geezers
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The Challenge was put off in good faith till June.
Maty's engine parts arrived to late for a fair chance.
Larry did go 207mph,,, GREAT JOB,,,, But he Sprayed the N20... so
that was a Fuel Pass...not GAS....
I went my fastest ever (with poor launch,,,again!! ,, my fault
195.51 MPH
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Well you are less than 5 MPH away. what rear suspension do you run?
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Well you are less than 5 MPH away. what rear suspension do you run?
Bill, I have a Big Tube 4 Link with AFCO Coilovers... The Car Handles great at speed,
I was told the problem is that I launch like a drag car.. Full Throttle... with cold tires and a cold track it sure don't work to good,,, better with the new tires,, no spin in 3rd or 4th now,, just 1st then a small haze in second.
I need to roll into the gas off the push truck in first and get my ground speed up before I shift into second.. I hit the chip on the spin and shifted into 2nd at high rpm,,, but ground speed was low and bogged the moter to far below peak HP,, lost a little there,,, oh well at least the car is good,,, have to calm down that impatient nut behind the wheel,,,
Charles
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The Challenge was put off in good faith till June.
Maty's engine parts arrived to late for a fair chance.
Larry did go 207mph,,, GREAT JOB,,,, But he Sprayed the N20... so
that was a Fuel Pass...not GAS....
I went my fastest ever (with poor launch,,,again!! ,, my fault
195.51 MPH
Congrats on the run Charles and cudos for postponing "Da Challenge", Thanks for the help and insperation.
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We found the issue we had that was keepen it off the 200 plus GAS pass,just didn't have time to fix it there. Very light spray to take the TSC win and didn't know if that would be enought till we got to the other end. :-o You all know our luck with NOS in the past so we went light with it. :-D We'll still play with ya in the C motor challenge come June if the luck is with us to be there. And yes Charles,you did run a 195 to our 194, so good job!!!! Sorry I didn't get to talk to ya for Turk was needen the car for picts. You de man Charles!!! :cheers:
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Larry, I sure hope you guys can come back in June.
It will be fun..let's make sure we pit together... I hope the weather will be better and less hectic for all of us.
CONGRATS on the TSC Win ... you worked hard to get it...that Mazda looked great going down track.
Oh yeah,,, I guess if we had have kept our door slammer
C gas n/a challenge, my 195.51 would have WON !!!
See ya
CV
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Well you are less than 5 MPH away. what rear suspension do you run?
Bill, I have a Big Tube 4 Link with AFCO Coilovers... The Car Handles great at speed,
I was told the problem is that I launch like a drag car.. Full Throttle... with cold tires and a cold track it sure don't work to good,,, better with the new tires,, no spin in 3rd or 4th now,, just 1st then a small haze in second.
I need to roll into the gas off the push truck in first and get my ground speed up before I shift into second.. I hit the chip on the spin and shifted into 2nd at high rpm,,, but ground speed was low and bogged the moter to far below peak HP,, lost a little there,,, oh well at least the car is good,,, have to calm down that impatient nut behind the wheel,,,
Charles
Maybe wider tires would help [and a burnout] Do they say you can't :evil: or an adjustment on your 4 link instant center and shock settings.
Its easier to gain mph at the start than at the top end as real estate is not going by as fast.
I would love to be able to launch like a drag car. Not really possible on salt or dirt but working on it.
JL222
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JL222,
Burn Outs are strictly forbidden ... no way now how...
I run BFG Drag Radials that have been heat cycled.. They did hook much better than my prevoius rear tires,,,
My 1.st gear loss of traction was due to 3 issues
(remember rain dampend track and 40 to 45 degree air temps, wind chill below 40)
1. Cold Tires
2. Cold Track
3. My Drag Race full Throttle and dump the clutch launch
For June I have 3 changes
1. Warmer Tires
2. Warmer Track
3. Better Launch Control
Charles
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Burn outs will incur the "Wrath of Turk" - You dont want to do that.
Joe
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Charlie-
Which BFG's do you run? Are they more similar to a DOT legal "slick" (with grooves fore/aft)
or a conventionally cut drag radial? I've never had problems with traction on a "step aside" clutch
dump launch, regardless of weather. We're running 295/40/17 M/T drag radials with 25psi...
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Luke my new tires are the conventional tread design BFG Drag Radial 2's
Much smaller than your big tires,,, I have clearance issues,,
Mine are 26" tall,,, 9" wide (8" wide contact patch/tread area) on 15" rims.
I ran 35 psi in rear... first time on these tires and wanted to make sure they did not "skate" on the top end..
I have a better plan for June,,, Hope to see you there.
Charles