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Title: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on January 03, 2012, 11:52:07 PM
This is a car that has had a few engine gremlins preventing a voyage to the salt. Lucky for me because I have had a great crew member / fabricatior helping with the Roadster . Well now its the Fairlane's turn. In the next few months  we are going to be making room for a Procharged small block Chev. Our first step will be cutting out all the stock suspension and adding a Smith Racecraft tubular front clip . I will post pictures as soon as the cutting begins! (http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg140/mkwilcox04/bonneville_may_2010_5.jpg)  (http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg140/mkwilcox04/DSC_0186.jpg)
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Peter Jack on January 04, 2012, 01:04:49 AM
Just an observation after looking at your race cars, aerodynamics don't seem to be high on your list of priorities.  :-D :-D :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: John (Maryland) on January 04, 2012, 07:33:31 AM
Pete.

Why would you make unwelcome comments about 63 when you do not have a clue about the owner’s aerodynamic priorities, class planning, or cost limitations?  Many people cannot even dream about a little beauty like the 63. 

I do not know you and do not know whether you have ever built a car, but if you have, you should know one has to start with where they are and do the best they can with what they have.

Suggest you try to be more encouraging especially regarding comments open to new people that may want to post. 
It is hard enough to build one of these beasts without useless criticisms; helpful comments are always appreciated by LSR folks.

John.
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Captthundarr on January 04, 2012, 08:21:18 AM
Wow John, Let the beatings begin. Nice looking Fairlane. I only wish I knew about LSR 25 yrs. ago when I had a '63 Fairlane 500. I just love that style, don't know way.  :-D
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on January 04, 2012, 08:37:46 AM
  At Peter, no offence taken , I read this quote from Enso Ferrari " aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines" .  :-D :-D Honestly I started with a Roadster because they are sooooo cool , and the goals that were set at the beginning of the build I felt were obtainable. We feel the goals we have set for the Fairlane also are obtainable , but it it was easy everyone would do it!
  Mark
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Stainless1 on January 04, 2012, 09:34:27 AM
John... did you see the  :-D   :-D in PJs comment.... that means it is not criticism... it is said in jest
We all know if you are planning a classic class or a roadster that aero is not a consideration on your list...

Mark, wow, cool car, sure you want to pull that big wind jammer off the front, may screw up that classic look and smooth our your aero a little...  :roll:
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: basher13 on January 04, 2012, 10:25:13 AM
Glad you started a thread on this one Mark. I get the direction of the new front end, I checked out the web site last night, nice stuff. Just wondering how he had set up the front end that's under it now.
For those that don't know, this is the same crew that put a stock bodied Firebird into the 7s on a skinny 275 tire...Aero is over rated!
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on January 04, 2012, 10:27:07 AM
Thanks, yes losing the 4-71 does take away from the look , but we are getting the Procharger thing kind of figured out!
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Tman on January 04, 2012, 10:56:56 AM
Pete.

Why would you make unwelcome comments about 63 when you do not have a clue about the owner’s aerodynamic priorities, class planning, or cost limitations?  Many people cannot even dream about a little beauty like the 63. 

I do not know you and do not know whether you have ever built a car, but if you have, you should know one has to start with where they are and do the best they can with what they have.

Suggest you try to be more encouraging especially regarding comments open to new people that may want to post. 
It is hard enough to build one of these beasts without useless criticisms; helpful comments are always appreciated by LSR folks.

John.


Lighten up Francis :roll: :-D

Wilcox, you have an issue with keeping engine parts INSIDE the body!?!?!?! Looks great!
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on January 04, 2012, 11:20:36 AM
Hey Basher , it had a stock front suspension with trimmed shock towers. The Buick V-6 fit ok but it was hard to do maintenance. Hopefully with the tube front things will be a lot easier! T-man yes we do have trouble keeping things contained , with the Procharger hopefully we only need a small blister over the carb hat.
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Moxnix on January 04, 2012, 11:30:47 AM
Hey Mr. Wilcox, thanks for the Wilcox Garage T-shirt last summer.  It means a lot AND it's a dandy shirt for an old gearhead.  Nice looking Fairlane, too.
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on January 04, 2012, 12:02:03 PM
Hey Mr. Wilcox, thanks for the Wilcox Garage T-shirt last summer.  It means a lot AND it's a dandy shirt for an old gearhead.  Nice looking Fairlane, too.
Thanks, glad we could help!
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Peter Jack on January 04, 2012, 07:38:54 PM
Pete.

Why would you make unwelcome comments about 63 when you do not have a clue about the owner’s aerodynamic priorities, class planning, or cost limitations?  Many people cannot even dream about a little beauty like the 63.  

I do not know you and do not know whether you have ever built a car, but if you have, you should know one has to start with where they are and do the best they can with what they have.

Suggest you try to be more encouraging especially regarding comments open to new people that may want to post.  
It is hard enough to build one of these beasts without useless criticisms; helpful comments are always appreciated by LSR folks.

John.


John, if you looked at the smileys after what I said and you realized that these guys have run a pretty successful roadster before, you'd realize that what I said was said in jest. If you look around the board or ask Cajun Kid, Tman, etc. you'll find that I contribute rather regularly with encouraging comments and constructive advise. This is drawn from a lot of experience in both fabrication and racing.

Actually take a look at post #6 in your own build diary. Relax a little and try to take things in the manner in which they are intended. Smileys do give context.

Pete
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Captthundarr on January 04, 2012, 08:02:43 PM
Pete, not tring to be a butt, but I read all of the post . And I got what you posted, smilies and all.Too soon after new years for some folks. that Bad Fairlane would fit comp. coup. in the worst way. I love it as I had one
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: BALS aSALT on January 05, 2012, 12:20:53 AM
hey wilcox........has kasey kahne been by to check on your build? just wondering since you're from the same town. nice looking ride. look forward to watching your build.. :cheers:
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Kiwi Paul on January 05, 2012, 12:41:16 AM
Mark--Maybe I won`t have to spend so much time down at the pit re-inspecting if you run this one. Sounds like way more weight and gear, and you`ll get your goal....second thought, maybe the cooler might need some reinspection.......Looking forward to seeing this one... :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on January 05, 2012, 09:35:11 AM
hey wilcox........has kasey kahne been by to check on your build? just wondering since you're from the same town. nice looking ride. look forward to watching your build.. :cheers:
Yes Kasey Kanne is from the same town , haven't seen him but  I see his dad around , we have some mutual friends .
Mark--Maybe I won`t have to spend so much time down at the pit re-inspecting if you run this one. Sounds like way more weight and gear, and you`ll get your goal....second thought, maybe the cooler might need some reinspection.......Looking forward to seeing this one... :cheers: :cheers:
We are thinking the same thing!! Our crew member Chris ( aka angry youth) built this car about the same time as the Roadster so a lot of the components are the same so we can use a lot of the same info from the Roadster. We have a little more room in this car for accessories like weight and it shouldn't have quite the amount of unbalanced aero as the Roadster!! We would be glad to see you and Adam under different circumstances this year !! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Motormouth on January 08, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
Mark, cant wait to see the progress on the fairlane, what a bitchin little car! Should be alot of fun.
Hammerdown buddy!! :cheers:
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: thundersalt on January 08, 2012, 01:52:46 PM
Neat! Instead of cutting up that beautiful car, I'll sell you a 64 that's already run B'ville (cheap) :cheers:
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 08, 2012, 02:23:56 PM
Howdy, Mr. New Guy Motormouth.  Welcome to the Forum.  I'm Jon, a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim, the guy that operates the Forum.  I - and all of us - enjoy having folks that haven't been members sign up so they can become regulars at enjoying what goes on here.  Do us all a favor, if you will -- and tell us where the heck is "Coalfield".  I can think of a few states that might have such a town.  And while you're at it, please go back to the Profile that you filled out during the registration process and put your location there so we'll know where you are in each and every post you make.  Beware -- if you don't I might just take the initiative and assign a state to you :evil: :evil:

Wherever you're from -- it's good to have you here.  Thanks for joining.  Be a regular, hey?
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on January 10, 2012, 09:14:01 AM
Neat! Instead of cutting up that beautiful car, I'll sell you a 64 that's already run B'ville (cheap) :cheers:
Thanks , at Speedweek my crew ( guys in mohawks ) talked with you about your car . We don't consider it cutting up just improving ! An on line article was wrote up on the car, we were excited about the interest in it!

http://www.rodauthority.com/news/%e2%80%9863-ford-fairlane-targets-long-standing-world-speed-record/
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: basher13 on April 12, 2012, 11:16:53 AM
Has the thrashing started or is this one so easy ya'll are done already!
Let me know if I can help in anyway, I'm pretty good at making beer disappear.

Still looking at doing some dyno pulls before WOS, just to get a baseline for the Stude. I'd like to pick your brain on what to bring to a tune session.
 :cheers:

Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: Kiwi Paul on April 13, 2012, 01:51:13 AM
We also need some Dyno Video....... :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on May 10, 2012, 12:45:49 AM
Things are coming together nicely !! The new front suspension  is in and motor plates are almost done . We are making the front end removable in one piece for easy servicing ( there is a lot more room for stuff compared to a Roadster!). When I get some time I'll post some good pictures .
  Yes we will be doing another day on the dyno . We changed a few things in the carb but other than that just a complete freshen up , lifters , springs , rings , and bearings.
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on May 10, 2012, 01:32:10 AM
Well I decided to make some time! This is a Smith Race Craft tube front clip for a early camaro Firebird that was donated for the project . (http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg140/mkwilcox04/IMAG0424.jpg)
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: maguromic on May 10, 2012, 01:42:51 AM
Kool build, but If you run Gas Coupe, you need to retain the stock frame.  Tony
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: jl222 on May 10, 2012, 01:11:08 PM
Kool build, but If you run Gas Coupe, you need to retain the stock frame.  Tony

  Whoops :cry: C classic blown gas alt record ''2011 rulebook'' is 224+ about 5 mph faster than gas coupe.

  Intering 1015 hp-- .4 cd --24 sq ft frontal area --3500 lbs 2.75 gear.. ect  Bonneville Pro predicts.


   New record.. 226.4 mph  :cheers:

         Good luck   JL222
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: thundersalt on May 10, 2012, 05:31:29 PM
It will start dancing around at 189 if it weighs less than 4000 lbs. (JMHO) :cheers:
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: jl222 on May 10, 2012, 07:04:46 PM
It will start dancing around at 189 if it weighs less than 4000 lbs. (JMHO) :cheers:

  One good thing about altered is a spoiler 8-) and spill plates.

  Just a WAG on CD- frontal area and weight.
  
         JL222

  Might not have to run to Smith's for bags of water softner salt :-D
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: thundersalt on May 10, 2012, 07:28:03 PM
It will start dancing around at 189 if it weighs less than 4000 lbs. (JMHO) :cheers:

  One good thing about altered is a spoiler 8-) and spill plates.

  Just a WAG on CD- frontal area and weight.
 
         JL222

  Might not have to run to Smith's for bags of water softner salt :-D
But it's so easy to dispose of at the end of the week (doing my part for Save the Salt)  :cheers:
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on May 11, 2012, 08:28:28 AM
Well with a little work the car will still be legal in GC , the rule states frame nothing about suspension ! :-D more pics to come!!
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: fastman614 on May 13, 2012, 04:59:34 AM
Well I decided to make some time! This is a Smith Race Craft tube front clip for a early camaro Firebird that was donated for the project . (http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg140/mkwilcox04/IMAG0424.jpg)

That frame section is nice.... they (and others as well) work really well on Firebirds/Camaros and should probably work okay on the Fairlane although I think it may be a little on the wide side.

If you go ahead with using it, and still want to run gas coupe, cut out the frame sections of the Ford unibody and "graft them in at the stock locations. That way, your "stock" frame will still be there.

As for any negativity regarding aerodynamics.... IT'S CLASSIC CATEGORY!.... Camaros, Firebirds, Vegas, Monzas, Mustangs, Studebakers etc were ALL in the .4 and up range for Cd..... the only real ultimate difference would be the frontal areas of the various cars.... We had naysayers who prophesied that our '74 Chevy Vega, with 1000hp, would not go faster than 242 MPH (their desktop dyno program said so) .... and that our lakester (with 840 hp) would NEVER go faster than 268 MPH (same desktop dyno program).... To date, the Vega has gone a one way fastest of 258 MPH and the lakester has gone 282 mph.....

Done let any of the armchair experts on this site grind you down!
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on May 13, 2012, 04:28:53 PM
  Thanks for the words of encouragement fastman . I sent a email to Bob Sykes Jr ( coupe & sedan category chair ), he steered me in the right direction to still fit the class. 
  Today the engine came out of the Roadster and is starting the freshening process . After our last couple passes at Speedweek the leakdown stopped improving and the oil filter was almost spotless . I drove it a few hundred miles on the street and everything was happy so hopefully just the normal wear parts for the freshen!
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on May 31, 2012, 09:48:54 AM
Progress on the Fairlane is moving forward . The front suspension upgrade is almost complete , the car is a roller again! The oil pan  off the Roadster didn't come close to fitting so we are modifying a pan I had to hold three gallons.
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg140/mkwilcox04/IMAG0869.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg140/mkwilcox04/IMAG0867.jpg)
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: wilcox garage on July 27, 2012, 10:21:52 AM
With a broken camera its tough to keep up with progress. The engine is done and in the car , intercooler is mounted , intake ducting is complete , the hood is out getting some bubbles to clear the Procharger and carb hat , now it just needs a little wiring , and plumbing to be ready for the dyno on Wed ! We have the car up to about 4500 lbs so far and are hoping to get another 1000 in it , its a lot easier to find spots for weight in this compared to a Roadster!
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: tauruck on October 11, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
This is a car that has had a few engine gremlins preventing a voyage to the salt. Lucky for me because I have had a great crew member / fabricatior helping with the Roadster . Well now its the Fairlane's turn. In the next few months  we are going to be making room for a Procharged small block Chev. Our first step will be cutting out all the stock suspension and adding a Smith Racecraft tubular front clip . I will post pictures as soon as the cutting begins! (http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg140/mkwilcox04/bonneville_may_2010_5.jpg)  (http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg140/mkwilcox04/DSC_0186.jpg)
How come you want to run a Chevy motor in a beautiful car like that?. Aren't the Ford powerplants good enough?. Throw the old motor my way anytime. :cheers: Cool build by the way.
Title: Re: 63 Fairlane CBGC Rebuild
Post by: SteveM on October 11, 2012, 09:32:25 AM
Beautiful car, and there's a lot of great work in there.  The distinction between classes seems to be one of the finer points of this sport, in terms of which changes put you into which class.

I'm certainly no expert on application of the rules, but I saw that you intended to make the front end into 1 piece.  I know that in Gas Coupe, 1 pc front ends are not allowed, but not sure if that applies to stock sheetmetal that has all been welded together to make 1 piece.  It's just one of those details that it's better to research and get a ruling on now, as opposed to later.

Steve