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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => 2017 and before: SW & WF => Speedweek 2012 => Topic started by: dw230 on August 25, 2011, 05:52:49 PM
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I am looking for some one who follows the '53-'54 Studebakers at the salt. I want to see who has the fastest mile time at the end of the season.
I think Bob Druey has the fast time now. Trying to pick the Studebakers from the entry list is difficult at best.
Anyone want to take on the task? I'll keep a running document from your input.
Thanks in advance,
DW
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Well, may not be the fastest, but Gary Hart holds the AA/BGALT record in a '53 Stude at something around 240mph.
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Trying to pick the Studebakers from the entry list is difficult at best.
Dan, that's a point I've always found frustrating when reviewing records for cars on the salt. The bike guys list the make of the bike, or at least the engine, whereas the car guys list only the team and driver.
I'm curious as to what the precedent is for this, and why, at least in the case of production based cars, the manufacturer isn't listed.
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I too am interested in DW's list,,, but not sure why ??? :cheers:
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii43/cajunkid5690/MAXS7181.jpg)
Charles
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I too am interested in DW's list,,, but not sure why ???
Charles, the only thing wrong with your car is that it's too clean - no dirt, no salt . . . Way past time to fix that oversight. :cheers:
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No doubt for the Courtney Hizer award. I hope Bob wins it...
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Gary Hart (twin turbo)and Hooley(blown small block) have both run in the high 240's, but not this year.
I spoke to Hooley at Speedweek but am not sure when he is going to run again.
Gary sold his car to someone in the Redding,Ca. area.
Bruce Geisler (With Don Stringfellow Sr. driving) went 242 in the late 80's with a Gale Banks twin turbo small block.
I ran 238 at Speedweek 2010 on alcohol (normally aspirated BBC) and 232 last tuesday which I think would have been around 240 if I could have hooked up.
My plan was to see how close I could get to Gary Spencer's 250.5 record on alcohol and then work my way up from 15% at 5% increment's until I got to visit Dan, or heaven, and Dan has beer.
Unfortunatly, I spent seven of my eight day's trying to find and install a new truck motor.
To the best of my knowledge, the three fastest stock bodied Studes would be Gary Hart, Bruce Geisler, and myself................................ Bob
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Gord Driedger in the beautiful blue 53 ran .8 off the 156 record in his XF class........ not the fastest , not the ugliest either...by a long shot. No doubt he'll post here and give a bit better fine detail, great team, great guys..........Gord-geous car.
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Gord Driedger in the beautiful blue 53 ran .8 off the 156 record in his XF class........ not the fastest , not the ugliest either...by a long shot. No doubt he'll post here and give a bit better fine detail, great team, great guys..........Gord-geous car.
Thant is one beautiful car and the workmanship is flawless!!! Tony
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I need the 2011 fastest Studebaker mile only. And Stainless is correct.
Keep the info coming. The World of Speed and World Finals are included.
DW
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Gord's car is really well thought out and nicely done.
I believe that the gentleman who built it died before he had a chance to run it which is a real shame.
I also forgot to mention the beutiful ex Terry Hunt "Guam Bomb"(normally aspirated SBC) who ran in the high 220's and possibly the low 230's a few years back.
Terry's car is the best engineered Stude I have ever seen, with Gord's a close second.
Hooley's is the swoopiest of the present comp coupe Stude's in my opinion but there were some pretty cool ones back in the 60's including Belmont Sanchez, The Burkland's wild Stude, the Thompson coupe with what appears to be about a one foot chop, The Edmond's coupe, Joe Pisano's car and of course Bruce Geisler's car which ran from the 60's until three or four year's ago, and with very little work could run at any time. It belong's in the Peterson Museum on permanent display with cars like Mickey Thompson's Challenger and the like. A remarkable car and a remarkable man like Bruce should be stuffed (Like Trigger) and displayed for future generations..................... :-D
Bob
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Bob,
You digress.
DW
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An interesting question especially for those stuck on Studebakers and with a little curve on your question, it seems to be Charles timed at 177-mph for the 1-mile at Maxton.
John.
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I still have it with Bob's 232.679, but I think it is still an open question depending on the next 2 meets. How fast did the Avanti go? The award is for fastest Studebaker in a timed mile if I remember correctly.
Bob, sorry I didn't get over to help with the truck, we were burried in our own muck most of the week. Didn't get a clean run until Thursday afternoon. Thought you were planning more than your usual 1 :roll:
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To the best of my historical findings Woodward and Bolitho had the fastest one way pass with a stock bodied stude at 253 in the late 80's with a 300 blown hemi on fuel. Doug Cook was tuning it then. Neil Thompson has the fastest stude based vehicle that ran in the very high 200's.
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Am I confused or is the question posed. The fastest Stude on the Salt in 2011 ?
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Man-o-man.
No fair using word's I have to look up..........
And yes, I have been known to wander and possibly even ramble now and then........ :-D
Sign me, Ramblin Bob who is lost in Space somewhere.........
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To the best of my historical findings Woodward and Bolitho had the fastest one way pass with a stock bodied stude at 253 in the late 80's with a 300 blown hemi on fuel. Doug Cook was tuning it then. Neil Thompson has the fastest stude based vehicle that ran in the very high 200's.
Yeah...Niel Thompson who ran close to 300 mph back in the dark ages, light years ahead of time.
Not sure of date our speeds but it was long ago.
JL222
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Dallas rooted to the source. While the history is nice, the question is ON the SALT in 2011.
Stainless, just Bob Bourke designed '53 - '54, or whatever years that encompasses.
DW
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An interesting question especially for those stuck on Studebakers and with a little curve on your question, it seems to be Charles timed at 177-mph for the 1-mile at Maxton.
John.
Thanks John, but I think they are asking for speed at Bonneville for the first timed mile,,, not the standing mile,,,
FYI,, that 177 record will fall soon,,, I am planning on over 200 at Loring in Sept and then again a week later at Maxton..
Back to DW's questions,,, I would like to know too !!!.... Gives my little N/A E motor something to aspire to.
Charles
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Charles.
Hope to see you go 200-mph in the Maxton-Loring-Ohio venue! A great milestone for a Studebaker even if it has alredy been done.
Pavement LSR and salt LSR are different.
John.
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200 in a full bodied car is really remarkable. As we do it or see it done all the time we lose the respect for the achievement it represents.
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200 in a full bodied car is really remarkable. As we do it or see it done all the time we lose the respect for the achievement it represents.
Joe, I hope next month I can share with you how if feels to go ZERO to 200mph in a standing mile,,, never done it yet...but hope to...
See you at Loring and Maxton
Charles
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Don't normally post anything here but since you're on the subject of Studes - I will. I probably have the slowest of all the Studes that ran at Speedweek but I venture that I had as much fun as anyone at Speedweek this year. For the record, the old flathead went a best of 156.066 on a 156.701 record. Maybe one day the Slippery Stude will get a bigger motor so we can play with you fast boys.Thanks for all the nice comments and I would like to say it was a pleasure to meet Dr. Goggles in person! A fine gentleman. Also had the pleasure of meeting Hooley who stopped by our pit. Glad I asked him his name otherwise I would never have known. So many really nice and helpful people. Can't wait to get back.
Gord Driedger
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Gord - 153 with a flathead is a real feat ... gotta find the missing 7/10th-s ... Joe
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Gord, great looking car and great speeds,,, from one Stude guy to another,,, JOB WELL DONE.
I too am not one of those "fast guys" you mention as I have old school small motor stuff,,, but you are right at any speed we can all have fun.
Hope to see you when I get to the salt next year.
Charles
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Hello Gord.
Your car is a beauty! I have been following your progress along the way.
It is a long haul, but would love to see you come east one of these days. I claim the slowest 53 Studebaker, about 1-mph rolling it in and out of the garage.
John.
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Well John wins slowest Stude
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Gord,
You were not the slowest(best looking maybe) that honor went to The Hudson Boys, Skip Carlson with 2 records around 138. They put the Turkburger 2 cylinder car(32+ MPH) on the trailer by 100 MPH.
Hey, you made the ERC shirt, that is an honor in itself.
DW
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DW, I understand your question about only 2011 Studes. You remember I ran 248 in 09 and had oil pan problems in impound and the backup run. Too bad you didn't include 2009 events. I hope you get to see Jack White at WOS.
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Gord,
You were not the slowest(best looking maybe) that honor went to The Hudson Boys, Skip Carlson with 2 records around 138. They put the Turkburger 2 cylinder car(32+ MPH) on the trailer by 100 MPH.
Hey, you made the ERC shirt, that is an honor in itself.
DW
That was certainly a pleasant surprise and a shock to make the ERC shirt. Needless to say, I bought afew of them!
Gord
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To the best of my historical findings Woodward and Bolitho had the fastest one way pass with a stock bodied stude at 253 in the late 80's with a 300 blown hemi on fuel. Doug Cook was tuning it then. Neil Thompson has the fastest stude based vehicle that ran in the very high 200's.
I tried to do some research a year or so ago on the fastest Studebakers. I found it difficult to get accurate historical data as the people who have a lot of this information tend to hoard it and do not want to share it or make it at matter of public record. It would be great if all of the data from the past was part of a data base on the net. Hooley's top speed was 253 MPH if my memory is correct. The Thompson car was running fuel, but it did not have some of features used today to make the car stable at speed. After having some experience at Bonneville, I have learned to really appreciate those teams that went fast years ago.
John
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The Thompson car did not run those fast speeds with a Studebaker nose. It ran in Comp Coupe with a Corvette "Stingray" nose, so to say it didn't have some of the features of Today's cars is somewhat of a misnomer.
It did not if fact have much left of a Studebaker body with its wild chop.
It was a cool looking and very fast Comp Coupe "based on a Studebaker" and I salute them as the fastest "comp coupe" of it's day, and would love to see it run again.
I don't believe anyone has put a blown Chrysler in one since, although Jerry Strode's T-Bird was going to be one before I found him his current car (which was barely a roller when he got it).
Bob
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Neil never ran any nitro in the comp coupe, all methanol. The wheel base was also stock or near stock. Neil has shown me a timing slip with a back door speed over 3. It was part of a magazine article back after he ran it............
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J.D., Tom Burkland sent me several pictures of the Thompson car as it transformed from a really swoopy Studebaker front end to the Corvette.
If I can get Hot Nuts to stop by again I will post the pictures.
I think they re-painted it every year................
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The aero advantages that are in use today, that Neil did not use, are the ones on the rear of the car that tend to make a car more stable at speed. The pictures I have seen of the car show that it was not modified with spill plates. Granted the nose helps but the back of the car is as important as the front. I have always felt that Neil's car must have been a handfull at speed and I admire their ability to go so fast, so many years ago.
John
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As far as I can find in old pictures, he was the first guy to stick the nose in the weed's, although the use of those humongous Firestone tires kept the rear pretty high, which may have given the car better downforce. Bob
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Bob,
Nose down stance ? Larger diameter rear tires and smaller fronts ?
Front down = less air under car and some front downforce,, tail up = more down force on rear ? traction too ?
I wish it was that easy !!! or is it ?
Charles
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Well Charles, I am only speculating but considering all the other Studes of that era sat much higher, I gotta beleive that the car's attitude plus a whole lot of weight probably helped it out aero wise, and traction wise......................... Just my opinion (guess). Bob
p.s. As soon as I get everything clean and put away, I will figure out how to post the pictures
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Stainless1, the fastest we did with our 1963 Avanti at Speed Week was 209.4mph at the one mile against the 30 year old record (209.3 mph) in D/CBGC, but we couldn't back it up on the 2nd run, lost our clutch! Also last year at the one mile point at World of Speed we did 215.633mph at the one mile and by the way this is with a Studebaker powered Avanti, these runs are the 2nd fastest ever for a Studebaker powered race car on the salt! the only faster Studebaker powered car is by my engine builder Jim Lange's car in in his 1963 Avanti that holds the current record for D/CBALT at 223.238 mph set in 2009. We never reached the full potiential of my single turbo engine, our best guess would be 225 mph. We did the 215.633mph with the rev limiter set at only 6300 rpm and only at 18 lbs boost. We will never know for sure how fast we could have gone, this was our last year of racing after 18 years, I hope to donate the Avanti to the Studebaker Musuem in South Bend, Indiana for my grand kids to see some day, Dave :cheers:
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Bob - and others:
I've got a 1 page explanation of how to post photos via Photobucket. If you'd like I can send it to you. I suppose I could even post it to someplace on the Forum, but that'd be too easy. Want me to send it to you? Really -- photos aren't that difficult once you've learned how. Think about it -- I put photos up during runs at the Shootout - photos taken when the vehicle is leaving the line and posted before it gets to the other end (fast vehicles, too, not just me on the pit bike at a thundering 28.829 mph).
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The Thompson car did not run those fast speeds with a Studebaker nose. It ran in Comp Coupe with a Corvette "Stingray" nose, so to say it didn't have some of the features of Today's cars is somewhat of a misnomer.
It did not if fact have much left of a Studebaker body with its wild chop.
It was a cool looking and very fast Comp Coupe "based on a Studebaker" and I salute them as the fastest "comp coupe" of it's day, and would love to see it run again.
I don't believe anyone has put a blown Chrysler in one since, although Jerry Strode's T-Bird was going to be one before I found him his current car (which was barely a roller when he got it).
Bob
ED and Arley Langlo ran a stude with a 300'' hemi in early 90's D blown fuel altered 237mph.
Foggy had it for a while with another hemi in it.
Lost track of where it is.
JL222
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Jon--Can you send the Photobucket stuff to me as well? I still can`t figure out how that works... :mrgreen:
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The Thompson Studebaker was stored at George's El Mirage Ranch for quite a while. I believe it is now down to his new compound by the Salton Sea where bought a pretty big place..........
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Anyone run a '53 front and later rear with the Goldenhawk style fins?
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Yes, the reason I started this thread is Stainless' guess in reply #5. I can never understand how these things get so far off track.
Anyway, Bob Drury did set the fast mile time for a '53/'54 Studebaker at 229. This makes him the first recipient of the Courtney Hizer Memorial. It was Courtney's wish that a perpetual award be given to the fast Studebaker. His lovely wife, Villa, has taken up the challenge and has funded a plaque to be awarded each year.
I exchanged emails with Bob and Villa and it turns out that they are known to each other and Villa is very pleased that Bob is the first. Bob is shy about blowing his own horn so it fell on me to make this announcement. One more thing - 'One Run Bob' wanted me to mention that he is good looking as well as fast.
DW
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As I told Dan in a email last night, I am honored to win this award but also very humbled by it.
I am proud to have known Courtney and first met him when he was partners on the Geisler Vail and Hizer Studebaker fifteen years ago.
For those of you who never had the chance to meet him, well lets just say that Courtney was a old school southern gentleman and a one of a kind personality.
Courtney never met a racer that he didn't like and if he really liked you would share one of his "high dollar" cigars with you. I am proud to say I recieved two.
I know a few of you also shared a pretty stout coctail or two with him and enjoyed the stories of his involvement with the Buick Grand National motor program.
Back to the award (which I won by default, not by earning) I would like to share it with every Studebaker driver from Belmont Sanchez to the present for keeping the Bourke/Loewy Studebaker the best looking car's on the salt since 1953.
Next year I hope to earn the award and be the first unblown Studebaker to run over 250.
You can bet that Courtneys name will be on my car..............
Thanks again to Villa Hizer
Bob Drury
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Bob, congrats for the cool award, Courtney was a real racer and liked everyone. We will miss him for sure. RIP Mr.Hizer.
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Congratulations, Bob. I'm sure Courtney had guys like you in mind when he created the award.
Stan
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Congratulations. :cheers:
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:cheers: Congratulation Bob on your award!!
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Bob, you earned the first C. Hizer award, it is for the fastest Stude timed mile for the year, that was you. It is good to see you made your run for the year count!
CONGRATULATIONS Bob
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Bob, congratulations...
Charles
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Congrats Bob!
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Good show Bob D., congratulations. Sometimes all the hard work and persistence pays off. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Pete
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This is a little late , I just found this thread.
Congrats Bob what an award to recieve. I wish I could have known Courtney, he sounds like someone you were proud to know.
Bob,
We still need to make some time and set down and visit. I am planning on being at Speed Week 2012 with Norris Anderson's Studebaker Pick up. He has made some changes to go a little faster. Let's try to find some time then.
Your Friend,
Hooley
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Better late than never - Congats Bob! Awesome award and something to aspire to. :cheers:
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Congratulations Bob, you make us Studebaker racers look good!! :cheers:
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Congratulations Bob, you make us Studebaker racers look good!! :cheers:
Well of course he does .... anytime I want to look handsome I just stand next to Bob :roll:
:cheers:
Sounds like the Studes are gonna need to have their "fast" on this year to claim the trophy.
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Way to go, Bob. I hope you make it to 250 mph, and keep making all of us oldtimers happy about the Studebakers on the salt. I hope you are having as much fun with your Stude as I did with mine.
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Thanks Gary, I don't for a minute think I rank with the earlier Studebaker hero's, from the earliest guy's like "Beachball" Sanchez up thru the Burkland's and Neil Thompson, to Bruce Geisler, John Edmonds and Les Leggit, to the newer guy's like yourself, Hooley and Terry Hunt's beautiful (and fast!) Guam Bomb.
As time marches by, I have had the advantage to learn from all of you and that along with rules which have allowed better aerodynamics and better engine parts, I realize that I am just a fly smilling about a fresh pile of sh*t and don't think for a minute that I am the "Herd Bull".
Perhaps a little full of "the Bull" but never the less just happy to have the chance to chase you guys.
Thanks again, One Run Bob..........
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Once again I am asking for help on the fastest mile speed for a '53/'54 Studebaker on the salt this year. Of course this means researching Speed Week only.
This is for the Courtney Hizer Award. I know the shop has not completed the 2012 award for One Way Bob and I am on my way there to rectify the situation.
Thanks in advance,
DW
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Hey! That's "One Run Bob" not "One Way Bob"! I have worked hard for fifteen years to keep from making backup runs and I have used MANY ways to do it!
Someday I will write a book on how to make it happen.......... it's really easy. Marlo suggested many years ago that I write a book on my adventures in towing to and from the Salt.
Perhaps I could market them as a matched set (best read when one is suffering from a bad case of the "dumb shits" after a major f**k up on ones part).
Yours in suffering, One Run Bob :cheers: :roll: :-o
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Once again I am asking for help on the fastest mile speed for a '53/'54 Studebaker on the salt this year. Of course this means researching Speed Week only.
This is for the Courtney Hizer Award. I know the shop has not completed the 2012 award for One Way Bob and I am on my way there to rectify the situation.
Thanks in advance,
DW
Is this for a stock body not a comp coupe?
I'm sure someone must of gone faster in a Stude but my 5th mile for my A license was 213.460 with a 217.997 exit speed.
I thought I was going about 240 according to the tach but when we got home we found out that the new overdrive 4th gears were actually less overdrive than the ones we took out :cry:.
I think the car is going to be much faster than it was with the old motor as it was running 50% throttle and 1.16 psi of vacuum at the manifold (no boost at all) just loafing along. We were all set to be up there this week to see what she might actually run but that didn't happen :-(,
Sum
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I believe the award is for the fastest mile, whatever the class.
(Come-on, man -- you know exit speeds don't count.)
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Here are the pre-entered cars that may have qualified . . .
974 AA/BGCC --Just Glad To Be Here
1642 XO/BGCC -- Brian Sawyer
352 C/GCC -- Coe & Thompson
709 C/GCC -- Scaaty Racing Team
9913 C/GCC -- Stupidbaker Racing
653 XF/GCC -- Gordon Driedger
5027 B/GALT -- Jerry Hansen
9304 B/GALT -- Andre Moreau
. . . more than I woulda thunk.
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I believe the award is for the fastest mile, whatever the class.
(Come-on, man -- you know exit speeds don't count.)
I gave the mile and I'd bet there was someone faster :-),
Sum
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Sum --
Hope you understand I wasn't really trying to put you down. I was just trying to add a little of my humor -- sometimes a bit too biting.
I've a lot of respect for you and your cohorts.
Stan
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Sum --
Hope you understand I wasn't really trying to put you down. I was just trying to add a little of my humor -- sometimes a bit too biting.
I've a lot of respect for you and your cohorts.
Stan
No problem, just didn't know if you saw the mile time. I did look and the best I can tell the 9913 C/GCC -- Stupidbaker Racing ran a second mile speed of 226.408 on Wed I believe. The part I can't figure out was the 3rd mile, exit speed, and top speed were all 999.999. Does that mean the timing was screwed up for those traps?
Also the 352 C/GCC -- Coe & Thompson had a mile of 221.581 one day.
Dan don't go on the above as I might of missed a time for someone on one of the days.
Looks like I came in a distant 3rd :cry:. I sure wish I would of know we had the wrong overdrive gears in the car and the rpm readings I was using for 4th were way off but the guys above had some really good runs and deserve the trophy. Congrats to whichever one gets it and to all of the Studes that were out there this year. It was a great turnout,
Sum
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Sumner, I'll have you know you're the first racer to EVER put in the wrong gear.... :-o
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Here're the two in question . . .
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Sumner, I'll have you know you're the first racer to EVER put in the wrong gear.... :-o
Hey it wasn't me it was Hooley and that is my story and I'm sticking to it 8-). Of course I was the one that told him which ones to order :cry:.
After we got back I called them (G-Force) to see if they would give us some credit back on them for the right ones and told them they only had 2 1/2 miles of use but they wouldn't. Did find a set of new Andrews gears for $100 and bought those and also two sets of better overdrive drive gears for $50 each and bought those.
We went with one of the new drive gear sets to see what they would do as they will bring 1st from 1.93 down to 1.73 and second from 1.34 down to 1.19 which might help as we can't run WOT in 1st or second now anyway. Third is 1:1 and 4th is now .865 vs. the .970 at Speedweek (the old 4th was .930).
I'm now looking for a used 101 for the Lakester and we now have a number of overdrive combinations we can use for either transmission,
Sum
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Wow, 8 Studebakers on the Salt this year. That would have made a great photo. I remember back in 06, I set up a date and time for a photo shoot out on the salt but we arrived late and missed it. We had front axle problems on the race car the first evening and the next evening we replaced the water pump on the Ford diesel, when we arrived I was beat.
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... I remember back in 06, I set up a date and time for a photo shoot out on the salt but we arrived late and missed it. We had front axle problems on the race car the first evening and the next evening we replaced the water pump on the Ford diesel, when we arrived I was beat....
I should have pictures of that someplace or another year the Studes lined up,
Sum
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Plus there was an Izusu diesel powered 50 and a few pickups, too.
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After almost 3 years of build time, Scaaty Racing is honored to be listed with the seasoned salt racers that run Studes. We are hard at it night and day getting ready to run this year. Pre entry sent, truck and trailer ready. Engine built and dynoed. Just need to finish the car. It's all fun
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Don, keep up the great work on the Stude. You are going to have the time of your life on the Salt.