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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2011, 05:50:28 PM »

"What's a Samba moderator?"

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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2011, 06:12:13 PM »

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http://www.stalbertbaseball.com/default.aspx

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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2011, 07:18:15 PM »

"What's a Samba moderator?"

"$1.98, or 2 for $3."

Stan B

www.samba.com is one of the more successful automotive websites around and focus's only on VW's and Porshces. It was established early in the 'puter world and gained worldwide recognition within the VW/early Porsche(air cooled) world and has been a mainstay ever since. It has a massive parts/cars for sale section(like Ebay but free and without time restrictions), technical section along with many others segments. It is all free with financial support given strictly on a voluntary basis.

Even if you are not(or ever will be) a VW guy, the site is worth a look. The 36hp Challenge, while a small segment of the Land Speed Racing family has grown subtantially because of the Samba. The moderator oversees specific segments of the Samba to keep things in line and non-offensive.

May the Speed be with you..................

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2011, 08:48:09 PM »

The website is www.thesamba.com. samba.com takes you to some arabic website.
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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2011, 09:21:35 PM »

The website is www.thesamba.com. samba.com takes you to some arabic website.

Thanx for the correction. www.thesamba.com . I knew that!

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2011, 04:07:03 PM »

Friends of the Challenge
 
Below are the top speeds achieved by each of the racers at World of Speed.  I would like to offer a BIG thanx to all of the racers, crews and VW spectators who ventured to Bonneville to be part of the USFRA's 26th annual World of Speed. And thanx to Hot VW's for sending RK Smith to cover this unique VW event and for The Samba's moderator, John Moxon to come all the way from England to be part of our race.
 
I would also like to offer a sincere debt of gratitude to Wolfsburg West and Tony Moore for his support of the 36hp Challenge and the $1000.00 contingency award they provided to the fastest Wolfsburg West cylinder head equipped record breaker, Bill Hatfield of Harmony, Indiana.
 
May the Speed be with you..................
 
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2011 World of Speed VW results:
 
36hp Challenge
 
SS36 Bug       T33      Juan Cole.........................................75.534  New Record 9/16/11(old record 75.277
                    T60      Dan Durie(Beaver Geezers)..........75.277  New Record 9/14/11(old record 73.492
                    T77      Ralph Dotson...................................71.480
                         
DSS36 Bug     T20      Bill Hatfield/Wolfsburg West........108.324  New record 9/15/11(old record 103.056
                    T54      Gene Dannan/Wolfsburg West......59.709
 
SS36 Ghia      T777   Bill Smith...........................................73.752  New Record 9/15/11(old record 71.314
 
DSS36 Ghia   T67     Craig Smith/Wolfsburg West..........84.442
                  T143   Richard Troy-Denzel........................92.808
 
DSS36 Bus    T51      Ronnie Fietelson/Wolfsburg West.68.851  New Record 9/16/11(old record 67.909
                   T8        Matthew Kenney..............................67.909  New Record 9/15/11(base record
 
36hp"1"Club   T11      Larry Mocnick/Cheetle....................75.105
 
NA36 Bug      T903    Tom Bruch/Gaylen Anderson........126.236*New Record 9/15/11(old record 106.514
                         * Top 36hp Speed of the meet !
 
H/FCC          3601    Dick Beith........................................handling run only-no speed
 
 
 
Big Block(40hp & newer engines)-130/150 MPH CLUB
 
Ghia Coupe    T70       Britt Grannis/Geoff Hart.................139.756    Dual Carb 130 Club Member-new
Ghia Coupe    T701     Tom Simon/Grannis/Hart..............138.520    Dual Carb 130 Club Member-new
Formula V      X150     John Milner.....................................134.707    Dual Carb
Bug              T363     Justin McAllister/Burlile..................127.480    Dual Carb
VolksRod       T1967   Richard Luna...................................119.207   Dual Carb
Bug              T51        Dick Wakefield...............................118.510   Dual Carb
Bug              T4          Scot A Harig....................................109.051    Turbo 2bbl
Bug              T48        Karl Barnett.....................................107.777    1600cc SSS (Single 34PICT Carb S/P
Ghia Coupe    T15        Larry Gregg.....................................107.296    Dual Kadron
Ghia Coupe    T65        Greg Silkenson...............................102.630    Dual Carb
Buggy           T122      John Dahlstrom................................97.171     Dual Carb
Ghia Coupe    T711      Warren Grannis/Grannis.................93.180     Dual Carb
 
 
Watercooled
 
Golf R32        X57         Gabe Adams.................................160.047    Turbo VR6 150 Club Member
Streamliner    1479        Kevin Winder.................................149.182    Turbo 4 Diesel 
                                                                                                  (new G/DS record 2 way avg 147.909
Golf R32         T59         Chris Adams..................................137.499    Turbo VR6 130 Club Member-new
Golf R32         T57         Andrew Augustain..........................137.036    Turbo VR6 130 Club Member-new
Golf R32         T337       Norma Fergus(Garys mom!).........134.551    Turbo VR6 130 Club Member-new
Rabbit            X8383    John Finn.........................................110.906    Turbo 4
Rabbit P.U.     479         Rick Winder......................................103.075   Turbo Diesel
Dasher WagnT6802  Dan Kingery........................................91.516    Turbo Diesel-Vegetable Oil
 
 
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2011, 08:24:04 PM »

the vws are cool I got to speak to Tom burch had not seen him in 2/3 years.A great bunch of cars and people.
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2011, 02:17:39 PM »

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Great news for folks with Volkswagen air cooled powered racers has just been announced by the SCTA/BNI ( go to http://www.scta-bni.org ). Their "Classic" category of race cars that was previously open only to American cars built between 1948 and 1981 has been opened to include "Foreign Cars", and that means our Volkswagen's. The benefit for VW racers that comes from this change is our 1930's designed air cooled engines will no longer have to compete head to head for official land speed records set by radical watercooled Asian and European dual over head cam modern technology engines, most records of which are in the 200 mph plus range!
 
NOTE: This "DOES NOT" affect the 36hp Challenge and 130 Mile Per Hour Club record keeping that I maintain!
 
The tough part, only race VW's built to the demanding SCTA/BNI Rulebook can compete for these records which means much greater expense and serious effort is required to move to this level of competition. Any racer who is racing or building a VW they expect to exceed 135 miles per hour should seriously consider following the SCTA/BNI Rulebook safety requirements for two reasons. First and foremost, is safety! Speeds in this range involve much more serious consequences should something go wrong and Bugs "without wings" are extremely unsafe at these speeds  (Ghias are much more stable and therefore better! And have better "aero"!). Second, building to the SCTA/BNI specs will allow you to race on the long three mile tracks at both the USFRA World of Speed at Bonneville and SCTA/BNI Bonneville Speedweek giving you greater opportunities for higher speeds and now with this change, potentially, SCTA/BNI land speed records.
 
I cannot speak for the USFRA or SCTA/BNI sanctioning bodies regarding safety and rules and the below interpretations are a simple overview of how I understand the rules as written. Therefore, I would strongly encourage you to obtain a 2012 Rulebook as soon as possible if your VW racing aspirations are in the 135 mile per hour plus range for now or the near future. This will insure you have information directly from the horses mouth before starting construction or improvements to your Volkswagen land speed race car. Questions can be answered by Mike Manghelli, the SCTA's resident VW racer and also SCTA Rules Co-ordinator directly at
rulebookinfo@scta-bni.org .   


General Classic guidelines:

ALTered: Stock body and fenders (chopped O.K. if pre 1948)( Fiberglass replacements, i.e., one piece front ends O.K. if "stock"  proportions and shapes remain). Removal of bumpers and front lights and covering of grill(s) and front openings "is required"! O.K. for front air dam, engine hood scoop and rear wing ( like a Herrods Helper or drag style ) mounted in the trunk area. Engine "MUST" be swapped for a non-original engine such as a Type 2/4 engine in place of a 1600cc VW type engine or a 1600cc VW in place of a 36hp engine.Supercharged or turbocharged is O.K. as a B blown( G gas or F fuel )ALT entrant. Air cooled VW's must add a rear engine support under the case. No belly pans or other streamlining!
 
GC-Gas Coupe(or Sedan): Stock body and fenders (no chopping). Stock bumpers required. OK for front air dam and engine air scoops. Rear wing if production (Herrods Helpers are probably NOT legal!). Any engine. Supercharged or turbocharged is O.K. as a B blown GC entrant. Only minor body trim alterations permitted. No one piece front ends.

PROduction: Stock body. Stock bumpers required. No scoops or wings/spoilers (no Herrods Helper!). Engine original to "that body style". No supercharging or turbocharging however bigger and multiple carbs ( if they fit onto original intake manifold bolt pattern! ) and most other engine modifications are legal!

Engines: No electrical fuel injection. No sensor management system's with loop. No dual distributors or magnetos.


Letter definitions for classes as shown below:

F......engine size below 3000 cc's (1st F letter)

C.....Classic category(1948 to 1981 vehicle)

B.....Supercharged or turbocharged(Blown)

G.....Gasoline as fuel

F......All non gasoline fuels (2nd F letter)

 
Class                               Current Bonneville Record as of December 8th, 2011

F/CBFALT                     129.641..........Hudson Boys Chevy 4/53 Stude 08/11                                 

F/CFALT                        165.224.........Cohn Chevy Monza 08/11                                   

F/CBGALT                     123.782.........Hudson Boys Chevy 4/53 Stude 08/11                                 

F/CGALT                        182.357.........Cohn Chevy Monza 08/11                                 

F/CBGC                          173.090.........Keosababian Chevy Corvair 08/74                     

F/CGC                             174.922.........Cohn Chevy Monza 08/11                                 

F/CPRO                           None-Open                                                                 

data taken from current posted SCTA/BNI speed records as of 11/20/11.



Bob Stahls 65 Bug with a 2914cc fuel injected (not Turbo'ed!)Type 4 engine.

If a Bonneville class is "Open" with no existing record, like the F/CPRO class, you can enter that class with a car that meets the engine displacement requirements (0.0L to 3.0L) and body, technical and fuel requirements and "establish" the base record for that class until someone goes faster than you.

All SCTA/BNI land speed records are set using the "average" of two runs. First, you must qualify by going faster than the record at which time you car is placed in "Impound" overnite until the next days early morning record runs. You make your second pass early in the morning and the speed from this run is averaged with the speed from your earlier "qualifying" pass. If the combined two pass average speed is above the existing record, you have set a new SCTA/BNI land speed record.

Each SCTA/BNI qualifying run at Bonneville in the classes Volkswagen air cooled racers qualify for are made on a three mile track instead of the one mile track we run in the 130 Mile Per Hour Club events at USFRA's World of Speed so your engine must maintain this high speed for a substantially longer period of time(build accordingly). VW's can run either at the USFRA World of Speed in September on the longer competition track west of the 130 track and set SCTA/BNI recognized records or they can attend the August SCTA/BNI Speedweek and race for records on one of two 3 mile competition tracks set up for cars running up to 175 miles per hour. Two way average records set on either three mile track become SCTA/BNI certified records. All cars racing on these three mile tracks must meet SCTA/BNI safety and class guidelines as set forth in the SCTA/BNI Rulebook. Details and rulebooks are available at  http://www.scta-bni.org  . Order the "2012 Rulebook" to receive details on the new Classic classes allowing "foreign cars" into this 1948-1981 category.

In addition. if you are building, or contemplating building, an SCTA/BNI certified racer to go after this type of land speed record, contact the SCTA through their web-site and you can be assigned a personal individual SCTA member who will guide you over the phone to meet and exceed the safety definitions in the Rulebook. These SCTA member "guides" are invaluable in reducing problems during your tech and safety inspection when you first arrive. Upon passing your initial tech inspection, your car will be issued a SCTA/BNI Inspection record book that documents the history of your inspections for future guidance.  If you have any questions, you can contact, Mike Manghelli, the SCTA's resident VW racer and also SCTA Rules Co-ordinator directly at  rulebookinfo@scta-bni.org

Racing a 1200 to 1500cc ( 1.5L ) or 1600 to 2000cc ( 2.0L ) Volkswagen? At present, the new Classic classes do not have records available in those engine sizes so you have to compete with engines up to 3000cc ( 3.0L ) in the F class . Classes G (1.51L to 2.0L ) and H (1.1L to 1.5L ) will only be added after 2012 "if" cars show up to race in those engine size categories. The SCTA/BNI needs to see interest before any smaller engine categories will be included in future events.

This is super news for VW folks serious about going the extra miles(s) in land speed racing for the long term.

May the Speed be with you..........................

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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2012, 02:41:20 PM »

 I just received this message from Walter (BeetSpeed) over in Belgium. They have been trying to find a sight to hold VW and 36hp Challenge land speed racing and have finally located a venue. Now what they need are numbers of VW racers willing to make the journey from Europe, Ireland and across England. Below are his findings. If you would like to get ahold of him, just PM me your contact info and I will pass it on. As noted, someone to promote the event is also welcome !

May the Speed be with you ...................

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Good news Burly! (I think/hope):

The organisation: http://www.straightliners-events.co.uk/events/
is holding 6 regular 'Topspeed tuesdays' (mostly for bikes though) in 2012 and upon contact with their main man, he lets me know that if there is enough interest, also a weekend day or full weekend could be arranged in 2013 for a 36hp Challenge to take place or combined with a regular event to take place in 2013, to be discussed. How cool is that!

Their 1 mile and 1.4 mile (!) track is located at a former airbase in Elvington, near York in the UK, England only 30 miles (40km) from the ferry that arrives from the main land in Hull! 
They have a 101 dB static test sound limit, but that seems not too much of a problem for our cars if we know in advance (and now we do).

Think I will spread this possibility/opportunity a little further now and see how many serious racers for a european 36hp Challenge there really are.


Photo by Burly Burlile

I am not an event-organisor (at all), so lets hope someone steps in if this gets serious.

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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2012, 09:05:57 AM »

Burly,
The chap in the UK VDub sceen to get hold of is Brian Burrows, sorry but I don't have any contact info, but he is the main man. He used to race the Beetle 2.3 funny car here.

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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2012, 03:50:06 PM »

Burly,
The chap in the UK VDub sceen to get hold of is Brian Burrows, sorry but I don't have any contact info, but he is the main man. He used to race the Beetle 2.3 funny car here.

HTH
Neil

Thanx for the heads up Queeziryder, we can use all the guidance and support we can get. The main goal is to find 50 plus "serious" folks who would commit to racing their VW, be it 36, watercooled or Big Block AC at one meet a year. And they can come from the UK, Germany, Ireland, Belgium or wherever.


 

Beetspeed has been in contact with BB and is keeping him abreast of discoveries as they surface.

Tootaloo.....................

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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2014, 06:09:48 PM »

INTRODUCTION:

A crew of four North Carolina craftsmen have been building the body, chassis and engine for what is a recreation of the most beautiful Volkswagen ever crafted, the infamous 1939 Volkswagen KDF Type 64 (aka Type 60K10) Berlin to Rome racer.



This very special project began almost three years ago and is now 80% complete. The chassis is rolling and the front and rear windows were recently fitted.

The car will compete in the 36hp Challenge Unlimited 36 category and the teams goal is to capture the fifty one year old record of Dick Beiths Pepco supercharged belly tank racer (aka lakester). Minimum speed goal is 130 miles per hour against the 51 year old record of 129.68 miles per hour.

Wolfsburg Wests Okrasa style heads will be part of the potent big bore 36hp engine being developed to meet and then exceed their goals. Our "1" Club hats are off to Bruce, Dave, Whitey and Elbert.

UPDATE:

It has been a couple of months since we first introduced the Type 64 project being crafted in North Carolina for the 36hp Challenge. Below are some new photos showing the progress to date. The world is watching as this team continues to create a very special reproduction of the 1938 Volkswagen Type 64.









Stay tuned to these pages for more updates and photos as they become available. For more info about this Type 64 and the VW Challenge go to https://www.facebook.com/groups/36hpvw.challenge and "Friend" the 36hp VW Challenge.

Lookin' good fellas......................

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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2014, 09:43:57 PM »

   WOW!
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MW, coming from a fella with an exquisite MG, that is a very nice compliment. I have enjoyed seeing your car at Bonneville, nice ride!

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