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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2011, 12:43:31 PM »

Yep-- huh--that is the LSR special construction positition-- grin--sitting there waiting for it to tell you what it wants  cheers
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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2011, 11:07:07 PM »

Yep-- huh--that is the LSR special construction positition-- grin--sitting there waiting for it to tell you what it wants  cheers

WOW, you know I never really thought about it but that is profound.... Sooner or later it will tell you what is next.  I think I'll grab a beer and go listen to the liner...
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2011, 11:16:36 PM »

I have spent many hours in that position contemplating and listening to the metal whisper to me.

That is a profound statement and will be instantly recognized by any one why has engaged in a long one off project. They all will tell you what they need if you will just take the time to listen. Then sometimes what they are telling you, something you don't want to hear, like "this is not going to work - start over, and re-design this bracket!"

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2011, 08:44:48 AM »

 Hopefully my explanation is understandable... I know what I mean...  shocked  grin

Yes it is.

The rear frame section is now a stressed frame member. Who am I to advise the great MAX ?
But I would look at strengthening the lower frame tubes(triangulation and bracing) just behind the drive sprocket!
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2011, 08:53:46 AM »

huh  this comes under the heading of wanting to know or understand---why behind instead of just in front?  Behind would be in compression from chain drive forces in front would be in tension---inquiring mind would like to gain insights  tongue
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2011, 09:08:22 AM »

huh  this comes under the heading of wanting to know or understand---why behind instead of just in front?  Behind would be in compression from chain drive forces in front would be in tension---inquiring mind would like to gain insights  tongue

I was thinking of entire chassis flex under loading pulling on the lower tube where in joins the vertical tube (just behind the drive sprocket!)
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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2011, 07:27:36 PM »

Knowing Max, if the situation calls for more gussets, you will eventually see them. Never known him to under-build anything.  Look close at that tire.. it came off Al Teague's streamliner.
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2011, 08:02:12 AM »

huh  this comes under the heading of wanting to know or understand---why behind instead of just in front?  Behind would be in compression from chain drive forces in front would be in tension---inquiring mind would like to gain insights  tongue

I was thinking of entire chassis flex under loading pulling on the lower tube where in joins the vertical tube (just behind the drive sprocket!)


There's a part missing in the photo.  When installed it negates any flex of the vertical tube just behind the drive sprocket.  This part is a quite robust outboard carrier bearing that bolts to the transmission.  A quarter inch steel plate fits in the shoulder of the outboard carrier bearing made from 7075 T6.  The down tube is flanged and the quarter inch aluminum is bolted to the flange.  Zero flex on vertical down tube.  The lower tube and upper bi-angled tubing is 1 1/2" diameter, .090 wall chrome molley tubing.  If you can picture an "A" frame with the bottom legs separated outboard by 1 1/2" on each side, and the pull or stress point an additional 1 1/2" inboard; for a total of the inboard stress point--3".  Which makes it pretty much impossible for athort ship flex.  Up and down flex is negated by the upper frame tubing being triangulated to the circular athort ship frame tubing.  The design employs the rear hub axle as a stress member for tying the six frame tubes together. 

I've tested the flex by C clamping the installed chain.  I feel that I achieved more stress with this test than would be applied under heavy acceleration load.  I was unable to detect any flex whatsoever in the design.  Of course there's the next step, and that would be the Great White Dyno.

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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2011, 09:34:26 PM »

Look close at that tire.. it came off Al Teague's streamliner.

And, from Art Arfons before that, isn't that the story I heard?
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2011, 09:53:56 PM »

I am impressed by his dedication to bench grinders.

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Bench grinders.  The CNC machines of the finacially chalenged.
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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2011, 10:10:14 PM »

...or belt sanders.

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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2011, 10:39:39 PM »

"And, from Art Arfons before that, isn't that the story I heard?"

I think you've got that right Max.

Hope this is the year.
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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2011, 10:22:54 PM »

I went to Wichita to rescue my engine parts from the shop that repaired it's indigestion problem. Stainless was gracious enough to offer me a place to sleep, (Thanks Stainless). Today we went to Max's shop to check his liners progress and as usual, it seems, LOL, Stainless forgot his camera and Max was sitting there waiting for the bike to talk some more. Some progress has been made since the last pictures, but I didn't have a camera either. We had a interesating conversation with Max.
 Then we went and looked at the liner Tom Hannah is building. That is also a work of art.

Thanks Guys
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2011, 11:27:56 PM »

Yep-- huh--that is the LSR special construction positition-- grin--sitting there waiting for it to tell you what it wants  cheers

WOW, you know I never really thought about it but that is profound.... Sooner or later it will tell you what is next.  I think I'll grab a beer and go listen to the liner...
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I have spent many hours in that position contemplating and listening to the metal whisper to me.

That is a profound statement and will be instantly recognized by any one why has engaged in a long one off project. They all will tell you what they need if you will just take the time to listen. Then sometimes what they are telling you, something you don't want to hear, like "this is not going to work - start over, and re-design this bracket!"

Larry

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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2011, 08:41:44 AM »

Well I finally made it to Max's with the camera.  Max has gone mad! OK, not really, here are a couple of pictures of the progress.

Max has removed almost everything that is removable to clean and paint, the interior tub is out, the tranny will be coming out, everything is out.  Max is putting a little more steel bracing in the tub area, although I didn't get a picture of that.


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