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Offline dw230

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New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« on: December 04, 2010, 11:49:17 AM »
Keith Cornell of the Rolling Bones shop planted an idea in my head for a new Bonneville class devoted to hot rods.

I came up with a basic rules package, nothing formal. I thought I would throw this out and see what kind of massaging you can come up with. The new class cannot be presented until 2012 for 2013 implementation so, plenty of time for fine tuning.

Body - American coupe and sedan, 1927-1948.

Engine - American OHV V8 built prior to 1969(I'm told that the 350 SB Chevy was introduced in 1970?) Cast iron OEM block, cast iron OEM heads. Displacement range of 261-439.9 ci, this is the same SCTA engine classes B-D.

Chassis - OEM type frame, may be after market replica. No fabricated tube frames. 120" max. wheelbase.

Safety equipment - up to SCTA mandated under 200 MPH. This will change as soon as a class record exceeds 200 MPH, the same as all the other classes.

Street Equip - Head lights, tail lights, horn, all wired and operational.

Available SCTA class - Blown Gas Coupe, Unblown Gas Coupe, engine classes B-C-D
All other Gas Coupe rules from the SCTA book would apply.

I think this class could generate a lot of interest. The class would be a true, drive to the event, race it and drive home.

Any ideas?
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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2010, 12:10:05 PM »
Chop limited to 3"? 4"? 

Channel frame depth only? 

Limit front and rear frame z?  No front z with unlimited rear z?

Sounds like fun!

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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2010, 12:41:10 PM »
eligeable with engine change?
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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2010, 12:54:07 PM »
Is that a documented American Austin or limey?

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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2010, 01:06:27 PM »
What is the purpose of limiting bodies to 1948 and using engines to 1969?  Tony
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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2010, 01:25:42 PM »
What is the purpose of limiting bodies to 1948 and using engines to 1969?  Tony

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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2010, 01:38:29 PM »
Is that a documented American Austin or limey?

DW
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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2010, 01:39:56 PM »
current lisc plates and insurance? HR Street coupe and sedan class/with a trophy for longest on the ground commute? Gas only like pickups lets add that Pickups could be run or add a pickup cat.
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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2010, 01:50:14 PM »
One of the sad issues with LSR is that the rules have gotten so restrictive that it's virtually impossible to build a dual purpose LSR/Street Rod.  I think this is a great step toward addressing that.

I would check to see when the Ford 351 Cleaveland and Boss 429 came out - was that 1969 (?) - for parity, move the date to '68, and maybe exclude the 1960's Mopar Hemi - keep it cheaper.  No crate engines - yeah - I'm likin' it.  
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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2010, 01:51:34 PM »
Sparky, I like your sig;

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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2010, 02:09:51 PM »
What is the purpose of limiting bodies to 1948 and using engines to 1969?  Tony

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I know what Dan said, but aren't there classes that you could run these combination's already? Inevitably some of these cars will be in the 200's, and without a proper frame its a recipe for disaster. Tony
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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2010, 02:22:12 PM »


Engine - American OHV V8 built prior to 1969(I'm told that the 350 SB Chevy was introduced in 1970?) Cast iron OEM block, cast iron OEM heads. Displacement range of 261-439.9 ci, this is the same SCTA engine classes B-D.

Any ideas?
DW

Dan,
The 350 SB Chevy was availably in the 67 camaro.

Don

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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2010, 03:10:34 PM »


Engine - American OHV V8 built prior to 1969(I'm told that the 350 SB Chevy was introduced in 1970?) Cast iron OEM block, cast iron OEM heads. Displacement range of 261-439.9 ci, this is the same SCTA engine classes B-D.

Any ideas?
DW

Dan,
The 350 SB Chevy was availably in the 67 camaro.

Don
was just getting ready to say something
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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2010, 03:16:19 PM »
If I was asked (no chance) about rules for such a class I would recommend an Factory iron head rule. points and condenser ignition. Limits of three two barrel over the counter carburetors or one four barrel with venturi size to be determined by the board. But I would exclude Dominators or one off oversized throttle plates. Mechanical fuel injection of no more that 8 throttles of less that 2 inch diameter. Rules that would keep it relatively inexpensive and restrict speeds to match. If someone is ready to start on such a car I have an injected "C" class Packard and similar Lincoln ready to install in your chassis. Could come up with an "E" poly Dodge. There were Ford and Studebaker also AMC engines that would fit better in "E" than "D". Don't know if anyone would want to run one. Make the engine break '65 or '59. Are you leaving some thing out that should be included?
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Re: New class for Bonneville/El Mirage
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2010, 03:27:31 PM »


Engine - American OHV V8 built prior to 1969(I'm told that the 350 SB Chevy was introduced in 1970?) Cast iron OEM block, cast iron OEM heads. Displacement range of 261-439.9 ci, this is the same SCTA engine classes B-D.

Any ideas?
DW

Dan,
The 350 SB Chevy was availably in the 67 camaro.

Don
It was the 400 sb that was released in 1970
and yes '67 in the camaro
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