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« on: April 10, 2010, 04:17:49 PM »

Found this reminder on the NHRA site, I know it's been discussed before but a heads up just in case.
If this is not appropriate I'll take it down, sorry for the cut & paste. May apply to some.

Notice to all Las Vegas-bound participants
Thursday, April 08, 2010

All competitors attending the SummitRacing.com NHRA Nationals should be aware that you  must obtain a Nevada Trip Permit prior to entering this state if the Commercial Motor Vehicle is not registered to travel in Nevada and any of the following apply:

The operator of the vehicle is a paid employee;
The operator of the vehicle is under contract;
You are a corporate entity;
You are required to obtain a business license;
You are required to obtain a USDOT number;
You are operating a tow vehicle (you must also be registered with the Nevada Transportation Authority: 775.688.2800 or 702.486.3303);
You are paid or sponsored to participate in an event or provide a commodity or service for sale; or
You are a vendor.
 

You may not need a Trip Permit if:

You are attending a special event for recreational purposes only; IE: Hot August Nights; Reno Rodeo; Air Races; Balloon Races; National Final Rodeo; Regional Special Events; etc.;
You are operating a vehicle registered with “Transporter” plates;
You are operating a vehicle registered with “Dealer” plates and have a NV special moving permit;
You are not eligible to claim business expenses from the event and any prize money earned during the event is required to be claimed as income on your Federal Tax return. (See IRS Publication 525)
 

For more information, please refer to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration regulations.  Title 49 C.F.R. § 390.3 (General Standards) and Title 49 C.F.R. § 391.2 (Farm Vehicles; Beekeepers)

This list is intended to provide basic guidelines for determining trip permit requirements.  It is not intended to be all inclusive.  It is your responsibility to ensure the vehicle being operated is not a Commercial Motor Vehicle (10,001 lb or more Combined Gross Vehicle Weight).  If you have any doubts about the qualification of the vehicle, we recommend you purchase a trip permit.

If you have any questions regarding permit requirements, please contact the Motor Carrier Division at 775-684-4711 option 1.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2010, 04:41:11 PM »

You don't have to worry if you don't race for money. The key word is money. If you get any compensation for what you are towing you need a permit.

Examples are here: http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/image/2010/News/April/nevada_rule.pdf

Tom G.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2010, 07:42:09 AM »

Even though I think Indiana officers misinterpret the law, they tell us here that we HAVE to have a DOT number and physical, on ANYTHING over 10K GVW.  Since the minimum truck plate is 7k, and the minimum trailer is 3K, if you have a tandem trailer (7K) we are being told here that we have to have the above, regardless of why we are towing.

I guess I could drop the trailer if I need to go to the store.   grin

Thanks for sharing that info.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 08:36:12 AM »

Tom noted, if you do not race for money no permit is needed..........If you go though NV on the way to the salt to race the BUB Meet......do you need a permit?......the BUB pays money...............................
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2010, 10:19:22 AM »

all this info is for big rigs right?  dont tell NV BUB pays, rolleyes only pays if you are fastest bike or something like that ?
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2010, 10:31:11 AM »

How about this part.  

You may not need a Trip Permit if:

You are not eligible to claim business expenses from the event and any prize money earned during the event is required to be claimed as income on your Federal Tax return. (See IRS Publication 525)
 


Seems like this would apply to most privateers. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2010, 12:49:13 PM »

all this info is for big rigs right? 

No Mike, at least not the way I read it. Go to the following link and read numbers 10 & 11.

http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/image/2010/News/April/nevada_rule.pdf

Tom G.

PS. I would think this would affect anyone who tows the SCTA trailers to Bonneville.
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2010, 01:00:44 PM »

I think the operative word is "income". That pretty much eliminates anyone who is towing to Bonneville. wink I don't know the mood of the Nevada DOT but I'd guess if you don't have to go thru the scales it won't be a problem.  JMO
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 10:46:39 AM »

Usually as long as you do not have commercial vehicle plates on your vehicles they will leave you alone if you are a racer. Now  if you have a semi hauler with two decks you should definately go through the scales.

That is why I like my 5th wheel toy box trailer.   Nobody ever gives RVs a hard time!! Too worried i  might be a member of AARP!! Wink
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 11:34:33 PM »

why do you think there are all these big haulers that say "not for hire" ? even 18 wheelers can be registered as a RV.





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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2010, 12:17:11 AM »

search this out and read the definitions.

COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY ACT OF 1986

The owner of MazdaTrix was detained in Arizona during one of the June safety month stops.

The wonderful state of Cali has even more stringent regs as far as drivers and equipment.

In a nut shell, class c tows a trailer under 10,000 gvwr or rv under 15,000.
anything heavier requires a cdl.

for what its worth, I had a carson 5th wheel racer trailer, 32' and rated 14,995 gvwr.
after that I opted for a smaller 10,000 lb one.

John
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 01:02:39 AM »

search this out and read the definitions.

COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY ACT OF 1986

The owner of MazdaTrix was detained in Arizona during one of the June safety month stops.

The wonderful state of Cali has even more stringent regs as far as drivers and equipment.

In a nut shell, class c tows a trailer under 10,000 gvwr or rv under 15,000.
anything heavier requires a cdl.

for what its worth, I had a carson 5th wheel racer trailer, 32' and rated 14,995 gvwr.
after that I opted for a smaller 10,000 lb one.

John


Because of this information here I looked at my large trailer and saw the GVWR as being over 15 thousand pounds so with my class C license expiring (December 1st) I went to DMV and asked what do I need to tow that weight or a vehicle that is rated that high  and was told I needed either CDL or a non commercial CDL (Class A) I took the test on the spot and missed 4 and did not pass as you can miss 3 or less.  I went back later in the day after work slowed down and took it again and passed..simple medical form every two years and no extra cost for the test or license.

Thanks for passing on the information.

John
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