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« on: August 03, 2009, 11:07:11 AM »

Have been thinking about what to do with the weird port arrangement on the '26 Dodge. This looks like a good answer. Better anyway. Mains also.


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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2009, 11:17:13 AM »

For the Vega???  afro

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 12:30:15 PM »

That would be different, but no. Picture attached.


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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 12:49:49 PM »

What's the head?  Olds??

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2009, 01:55:48 PM »

Morton & Brett, Indianapolis. A pure race part made for the Dodge in the day
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2009, 02:17:39 PM »

Couple of comments . . .

V-4 Dodge -- why not just cut a 360 in half?

I think that cast iron motor's probably too heavy for the Cessna, but it seems like you always find a way to make things work.

(Sure would like to drive that Packard-powered Vega some day -- I know how to follow instructions.)

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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2009, 02:29:48 PM »

Stan, Your kidding, Right? V as in Vintage 4 requires a pre 1935 American made 4 cylinder motor of 220 cubic inches or less. You may not cut down a pre 1935 American made six or eight or anything else. It had to start life as a four. The Dodge came as a 212 cubic inch five main bearing engine. Which means that in the 20s it was pretty hot stuff. I was looking at a full on Roof Racing conversion with full oil pressure, 16 valves, special Roof main caps. Winfield carbs. A real race piece in it's day. Interesting old stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2009, 02:33:26 PM »

'course I was kidding!

I didn't realize Dodge made OHV motors prior to the Fast Four flathead that's in the sweet Street Roadster that held the V4F record for a couple of minutes last year.

Speaking of OHV -- Buick never made a flathead (I think).

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2009, 03:06:52 PM »

Morton & Brett, Indianapolis. A pure race part made for the Dodge in the day

Pure hens teeth, I'm sure.

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2009, 03:28:48 PM »

Dodge didn't make an OHV. M&B did. Along with Roof and maybe others. My engine is close to the "Fast Four" but mine has the early, stupid, single port intake. And the early, neat, aux-drive for the distributer instead of through the head and the round bellhousing flange, starter mount instead of the later cut off end of the block like a 235 Chevy or something. Mine is like a 292 Chevy. The head is a little strange by todays standards. And I had a lot of ideas for running a flathead. But I have it so I'm going to run it.
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2009, 03:38:58 PM »

It's all coming to me now . . . I thought the top picture was the stocker with some sort of F-head or whatever.  But it's the stock block with the head in the bottom picture on it, right?  (Left?)

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2009, 03:56:55 PM »

http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/m/morton_brett/morton_brett.htm

A friend just traded a 1940-ish Indian (major project) for a very nice running M&B Model T sprint car and a pile of cash.



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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2009, 04:06:09 PM »

It's all coming to me now . . . I thought the top picture was the stocker with some sort of F-head or whatever.  But it's the stock block with the head in the bottom picture on it, right?  (Left?)The top picture is the Dodge block with the M&B head and valve cover shown from the exhaust side. The stock flathead had 4 exhaust ports. The M&B head has only 3. The next picture is the same engine and head without the valve cover shown from the intake side. The old stock intake port is that single hole seen in the center of the block. The third picture is of course the new main caps before drilling for dowel pins, and oil lines. And as you can see the last is the M&B head looking at the combustion chambers.

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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2009, 07:38:04 PM »

Rich,
     Is that the block my son brought down from Washington a few years ago?
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2009, 08:08:15 PM »

Jim; No that engine was nice and clean and painted and a Plymouth. This is some junky old Dodge. I gave the engine you had to some people from the Early Chrysler club. They knew a guy with a '32 PA that was about to have his engine rebuilt and said that they would give it to him. I hope it's running around somewhere now.
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